@@nickp7529 That is a ridiculous take. You can absolutely live a meaningful life without kids. You can also have kids and still not lead a meaningful life. You see examples of both these scenarios all the time.
@@felixmidas2020 he has so much to say he never says the same thing twice. Maybe that's all you're hearing but if that's the case you're missing a lot.
Bill's knowledge of The New Testament is sad. He says that none of the Apostles knew Jesus? One requirement of an Apostle was that he have known Christ, have had some person to person experience of him. John was particularly close to Jesus. Paul doesn't write much about the cardinal doctrines because that isn't the purpose of the Epistles. There can't be any doubt that Paul believed all of the cardinal doctrines.
Peterson Academy Student here! I just finished Jonathan Pageau’s course Symbolism & Christianity. It has completed changed the way I view the world, people’s behavior, and the way I communicate with my employees.
are you hoping that it'll actually become a reputable credential in the future like JP claims, or did you simply do it because you want to learn about christianity kinda like registering for masterclass or udemy?
@@ysf-d9i solely because I love learning and enriching my thought process. It’s also only $500 a year for unlimited courses. You can take whatever appeals to you and complete them entirely at your own pace. I enjoy a lecture a night. So far Pageau’s course has been my favorite.
They also add courses monthly and they don’t teach WHAT to think, but HOW to think. It’s been a wonderful experience. I genuinely look forward to my daily lecture.
I love that these 2 men can sit down and have this conversation! It’s really to Bill’s credit. I disagree with him on almost everything, but I respect him. Listening to these 2 both agree and disagree gives me hope that we can still find common ground in this country
I can't respect him because he CAN'T *respect* that others believe differently or accept when someone knows more or something he doesn't. He ATTACKS folks for being religious. He doesn't leave it at just personally not believing in God. Candace Owens & Megyn Kelly both categorically, factually proved him absolutely wrong on assertions he made about J6, to the point that MK emphatically said, "STOP MAKING ME HAVE TO DEFEND TRUMP!!!" Did he listen, research & adjust his thinking accordingly with new information? NOPE! He continues parroting patently false lies. Being able to talk to people who believe differently is only valuable if both parties actually LISTEN. Bill CANNOT listen if it involves God, kids or Trump.
Synagogues are political not just religious institutions they need to integrate and separate church and state. Calling themselves an ethnic group is far from honest instead of a religious group like everyone else. Are they tribal then? I thought tribalism and cults are considered bad wrong illegal for everyone else. These federations charities need to be audited globally.
@WesternPatriot-v8m and Catholic Church don't ??? They priests are above the law. Catholic church can do whatever they want and too bad if you don't like it. So... also point your finger at them.
Honestly id get it just as an investment in extra curricular activities, it's so worth it. Also how else will we the consumer change the world if not literally give people support like JP to continue their awesome work. What u want to fund woke culture and woke trash university? Not me. Im working fin I'm 26, rich for my age so I'll give money to Jordan's academy. Id fail here and be happy knowing I'm supporting someone who very well deserved it if any ody ever did on this planet.
I think it's really that Peterson is talking about getting an accreditation or otherwise is planning on going to companies directly so that those who get his degree can actually use it in the business setting. We're seeing a paradigm change in University unlike anything that's been done in the last 6000 years of academia.
@@jeremiahnoar7504it really won’t be that hard to do. In the last ten years bootcamp graduates have become a more preferable hire over people who just got their bachelors in computer science, due to more practical and updated experience. Bureaucratic red tape has ruined everything.
I went to University in Ontario, and I have such hatred for the system. A “professor” reading off a PowerPoint, with no extra info, encouraged me to stay at home and just read the damn PowerPoints. Good on you Peterson. Love from Ontario
I have a similar experience here in Québec. Most of the teachers either go on rants about their political opinions out of nowhere. Those that don't do like you said, they just read off the Powerpoint. I remember arriving in class last semester, and the teacher was staring at her laptop's screen, reading the powerpoint. 0 interactions with the students. I left after 1h30min and never came back. Never opened my books either, I still got 95% in the finals. That shouldn't be possible. I pay for an education, yet I just proved that the class thought me absolutely nothing? It pisses me off to a very high degree
I had a Pathology prof who 'taught' this way. I found it maddening. I would have to take time out of each week at home and actually learn what I should have learned in class. It was such a waste of everyone's time. As you've said, just give me the pp info and I'll skip the presentation.
I also found that comment especially profound. When he said that, I immediately thought of how the financial planning/brokerage industries have started to move more towards a percentage of assets managed incentive model instead of a transactional sales model. I wonder if the same concept could be applied to medicine: where one pays a PCP an annual fee to manage prevention on a continual basis and perhaps there could even be "incentive pay" if they are able to improve a certain set of metrics from year to year. I think the problem with this idea is that these types of services would be quite time intensive. Therefore, the supply would be absorbed by the rich, and the lower income classes would be finding it harder and harder to even find a PCP to get an annual physical. The intricacies of healthcare economics continue to boggle my mind to the extent that I still do not feel that I have a strong opinion of what would be best. The stronger negotiating power of a single-payer system makes me ever so slightly lean towards that being a better system than we currently have. I do understand that it would create shortages and reduce innovation, and I certainly do not want to downplay those adverse effects. However, I think a lot of our innovation is geared towards pharmaceuticals, which IMHO are not financially incentivized to actually "cure" diseases (but rather to merely manage them). And it's also geared a lot to first-world, elective bullshit like Viagra and Ozempic (where the wealthy acquire all of it to lose weight instead of the poor for diabetes management). So I'm not sure that losing innovation is really as much of a con to society as a whole as some would make it out to be. The taxes would be higher, but I believe it's likely that the overall healthcare cost reduction to society would be larger than the additional taxes, thus a net benefit. But as I stated before, I'm no expert, and it's an unbelievably complicated issue. I just hope we can figure out *something* better soon.
The other part of that I always think of is there is no money in solving health issues. In theory, you are working yourself out of a job as a doctor. In practice, maybe you could get an appointment within a week as a patient when you’re sick.
As someone who works in preventative medicine, he is very correct. Kinda sad to see insurances pay for all sorts of treatments, just not the best options (which are also fairly cheap)
Bill Maher speaking with Jordan Peterson is always gold. They agree & disagree on subject matter with respect & a general desire to express/understand each other's POV. Everyone needs to view more content like this.
Let's be honest: religion is used as a tool for division among people. Those in power frequently interpret religious beliefs to suit their own agendas, allowing them to maintain control and influence over others.
Censors are out in full force. Let's try to make a sensible reply again: Let's be honest: religion is used as a tool for division among people. Those in power frequently interpret religious beliefs to suit their own agendas, allowing them to maintain control and influence over others.
Yes it is. Both are very intelligent, deep thinkers. Have you seen Jordan Peterson speak with Douglas Murray? It's next level in terms of logic, intellect and oratory skills.
Oh my sweet lord. The old Jordan Peterson is back. To watch him hear out an argument. Patiently waiting. Without interruption and then to offer a rebuttal In seconds regarding western civilization having plenty of turds in the pool. I mean man... Truely exemplified how listening is the most powerful tool in ones arsenal.. that was an absolute pleasure to watch
Listening to Jordan Peterson is inspiring. He always leaves me thinking, often to his favor. Very hard not to be persuaded by such a display of knowledge, logic and philosophy. I got closer to Christ once I understood the ideas within the Bible, and Jordan Peterson explained them to me so perfectly, so logically, that I became a Christian.
What Bill said about the New Testament was ludicrously wrong. The Paul stuff. Holy wow. Incorrect on basic toddler levels. How does someone of his level get facts so insanely wrong.
And yet, the same man your talking about supports some of the most ungodly acts being committed by a foreign country, all because some misguided idea that we “have to support them no matter what” As an actual Christian, I don’t support SIN. No matter who does it. Nor do I idol worship a country and tell myself I’m not allowed to criticize them.
I love how Peterson talks about William Wilberforce almost singlehandedly ended slavery in England, peacefully, and Bill Maher has no idea who Wilberforce was.
I was more surprised Bill didn’t know what hypergamy was. That term is thrown around every day in the dating sphere. Bill’s age is starting to show a little bit when it comes to knowledge of newer topics as well. I feel like Bill is clearly a conservative leaning person these days, but doesn’t want to officially say it.
Thank you Mr. Peterson. Reasonable, tolerant and nice to hear always. Thank you Bill, you are more open minded than many your age and that's nice to see.
Honestly yes. Jordan has brought back the allure that I bet people had when they used to listen stories 2000 years ago or maybe even before when we were cave man. The style of preaching or even lecturing of JP is primordial 😊
This was a good interview because it finally wasn't a fanboy with the exact same views interviewing him. Jordan Peterson is at his best in this situations. Not talking to fucking Ben Shapiro or any of those characters añat Daily Wire
@@zacharywhite211our ideas shine best when examined by those who disagree in good faith....or, a better idea shines upon us if we are open minded and wise enough to be willing to recognize such when confronted with it.
@@skidmoda I've noticed the same thing. Bill is generally a good critical thinker, but bring up Trump or Biden and all his objectivity goes out the window. He obviously bought into this mindset, "because we hate Trump, we must at all costs pretend that Biden is the greatest president of all time." I would love to ask him, "what's one good thing that Trump did?" Almost every Trump-hater I've asked that to will insist that literally 100% of everything Trump ever did was evil, which just goes to show they've lost all sense of objective rationality.
Trump is an abomination. "BILL MAHER IS FAIR". lol... Notice Jordan did not insult any politician on the left. So no that is not "fair"... Bill is old liberal that doesnt seem to understand that his party has moved on, it is now the party of war, muti lating children and of ha te.
@@champat187198220He 100% does call out Trump on his dark triad tendencies. You obviously don’t consume his content enough to know enough to make that observation.
I usually criticize Peterson for talking too much on his podcasts rather than allowing his guest to do most of the talking but Maher is on a whole other level. Man he loves the sound of his own voice.
I was thinking exactly the same thing . Bill was as well do a one man show where he just sits there and gets drunk and spouts what ever is on his mind .
Fascinating show! Finally something worthy to watch fully immersed in 1x and not speeding up to 3x as to most of other podcasts. Every interaction and movement of lips and hands was powerful in this video.
Damn I wanted to hear where JP was going when he talked about the Universities and was going to give his take on Trump and the Debate and Trump's team. Bill totally steered the conversation away!
Yeah was thinking same but I’m kind of blaming Jordan because he’s got a decent brain and can go back if he wanted to. He doesn’t stick up for Trump most of us who are against the deep state the system that he’s wanting to fix unlike most any politician ALSO he’s for us unlike all democrats etc.
It's not really that complicated. You can agree with some conservative ideas and still think Trump is a horrible human being because of the way he conducts himself.
@@Atomb May I ask a good faith question (granted, you'll just have to trust me when I say that; I genuinely want to know)? What kind of criticism could someone levy at Trump that you would NOT consider TDS outside of "I don't like his rhetoric?" I ask because I have attempted many times to emphasize why I believe that Trump's actions near the end of the 2020 election with the pushing of unsubstantiated narratives of widespread voter fraud, fake electors from swing states, followed by the lightest of interventions during the J6 riots (considering they were HIS supporters) are more than enough to justify voting for ANYone but him - including Kamala Harris, as much as it may pain me to do so. Unfortunately, when I try to explain this to Trump supporters, I'm nearly always met with a response akin to "TDS lol." Is it possible that Trump actually IS worthy of contempt politically, despite the faults of Democrats and MSM? I appreciate your consideration and thoughtful response. Peace.
What I love about Jordan is, he can have a real conversation Bill Maher within days of having a very pro-Trump conversation, and still be a serious man without it blowing up in debate. The fact that Jordan can maintain friendship with Bill, and likewise to Bill’s credit, is the moral of this whole podcast.
Malignant narcissists display traits and symptoms of antisocial and narcissistic personality disorder. When combined, these traits tend to lead to a very severe form of pathology. While both ASPD and NPD are both types of personality disorders, how they affect a person varies greatly.1,5 Common traits of a malignant narcissist include:3,6 • Being extremely arrogant and self-centered - Trump “I am better looking than Harris”, Crowd size, • Disregarding the feelings and needs of other people- John McCain was not a hero, I like people who are not captured. • Manipulating, using, or exploiting others for personal gain or pleasure • Having an extreme need for power • Acts of revenge against those who criticize them - I am your retribution. • Fantasizing about ways to obtain more power or dominance over others- Brags crowd size. • Lacking conscience, regret, or remorse for their actions- No sorry for cheating on Melania • Being cruel and taking pleasure in the pain of others - Mocked the disabled reporter • High levels of aggression towards other people -Lock her up. • Paranoia or mistrust of others
@@ChopChic1it’s not our job as christians to defend our faith because God doesn’t need man to defend Him! our job is to spread the word so that others can be saved. we christians don’t need to convince people that our faith in our Lord Jesus Christ is the path to salvation, we only need to spread His word and the Holy Spirit will do the rest. again, God doesn’t need you, me, or jordan to defend Him from pagans and atheists, we only need to spread the word and hold on tight because the worst is yet to come before the second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ to save us all from the sufferings of this world! may God bless you brother!
There is very little Bill and I would agree on politically or morally, but I do respect him to at least be willing to hear other sides. Something I did find out about Bill by listening to this video, and I find it rather strange, for a self proclaimed atheist he sure knows a lot about the Bible. He even appears to like a lot of the Bible and what it represents, but in the next breath he wants to end everything religious. I do think he is authentic, but I'd like to know more about how he comes to those conclusions.
Its pretty baseless. Maher is in his late stage capitalism phase. He has nothing of value to say, so he has to monetize clicks and promote his narcissism.
Having Jordan Peterson on as a guest is a good business decision too Bill. Your highest rated or most viewed Club random episode from before was with Jordan Peterson!!!
I actually don't understand why people have such a hard time staying focused on actively loving their spouses that they chose, but no trouble loving their children that they didn't choose. We hand pick our spouses in the modern era. They should be the easiest people in the world to love, if we understand what love is.
@@keithwilliams8342yeah and he is just so closed minded to hearing the other side. Anytime someone attempts to talk about Trump, he does the equivalent of putting his hands over his ears yelling I can’t hear you I can’t hear you
I took online courses from Old Dominion University. They were live, plugged in at the campus in Norfolk. But the value was in checking out lecture videos and being able to rewatch them. Way, way more valuable than sitting live, especially on topics you didn't understand. And you could discuss things virtually with the professor. Because of being able to rewatch the lectures, I found it value added. Not value reduced. And I've been in both extremely large and extremely small classes. Definite advantage. We'd check out lecture videos from the college library. Peterson's idea is a good one.
Bill made the same comments about religion about 4,000 times at this point. He doesn't seem very smart if he can't bring up new points. I thought JP did a fantastic job in this podcast by not being rattled in the slightest and talking in a very mature and intelligent manner. As a man, I'm happy JP exists and is popular at this time. I can't explain how much JP has helped me in my life.
The fact that he can't get past his tired, juvenile many times debunked objections to faith also makes him look less than intelligent. This format really shows off his cognitive weaknesses.
@@sahh9464lol there is nothing to “debunk”, it debunks itself. Religion is based on faith, that is all. The Bible is an amazing book full of fascinating stories, some based on real experiences with supernatural elements thrown in, written by men. Saying God is real because the Bible says so is circular reasoning. Even Peterson couldnt possibly deny this, if he considers himself any kind of scholar. Men have written amazing books and created amazing things throughout history - men and women, through sweat and blood. I am free to have faith that “fairies” (insert “anything” here) are real and have a whole philosophical argument about it, but absent empirical evidence, you must accept it is all based purely on faith. It might be great for YOU in your personal life and you should be free to believe and practice that as long as you dont hurt others, but it has NO place in the rules of society/the public at large.
This was a good conversation. I like the way that Bill and Jordan play off each other, its like Bill is the devil on your shoulder and Jordan is the angel having an argument
Jordan Peterson is one of the most amazing people that I have ever had the privilege of learning from. He makes complicated information more digestible. I'm always learning new things from him about subjects I thought I knew a lot about already.
@@staywoke2198 Jordan Peterson on Conversion Therapy "…if you have any sense[as a therapist], you realize that you have enough trouble with your own destiny to not bother imposing your viewpoint, moral or otherwise…” “…there’s a fair bit of fluidity in human sexuality, and people have to come to terms with that.” “It’s not a disease…so it doesn’t need a ‘cure’” ---Sounds good, but then…. “Many legislatures around the world now have banned so-called ‘conversion therapy’, and to me this has been a catastrophe.” ---So it’s a “catastrophe” that people want to outlaw therapists from imposing their worldview on others by convincing their clients they have a disease and need a cure?
I totally agree with Jordan about teaching. There are very few that are effective. Teaching is a performance and needs preparation. Jordan is always a wealth of knowledge ❤
My daughter is trained in acting. She was struggling like most and decided to sign a one year contract to teach middle school ELA - crazy, but the students hang unto every word she says. Most of their behavior is terrible in their other classes. But my daughter prepares hours on end for her students. It helps that she loves Writing and English.
To be fair, Bill Maher is a great sport too. They are both well-versed in debate. One of the greatest characteristics of both is that they will find every common ground they share and reaffirm it so they can find the source of disagreement. Bad debaters or people who argue in bad faith, will just keep moving the goal post and never admit they agree with you on anything even when it has become obvious that they do.
Pretty sure some of Jordan’s responses were edited out. At 18:59, the topic changes after his commercial even though Jordan was going to respond. Come on man.
Gotta love when before the commercial Jordan doesn't have his hand on the glass. And after the commercial he does. Please, if you're going to cut stuff out or edit the content because you don't like it, it's bad, or whatever. Well, the least you can do is learn about "continuity", LOL Unbelievable how everything is just so fake nowadays.
Bill reminds me of my kids' teenage buddies. He doesn't take anything seriously enough to know it at its deepest level. Dispense with religion, kids and family, and companionship, throw away history I don't like. Laugh when I get exposed and pretend like I am just kidding anyway.
Lol..... I usually fast forward the the ads at about 30 minutes in I just couldn't stop laughing You go You go Bill. To substance I love Jordan Peterson and I'm really enjoying this interview so that's as far as I've gotten and back to our show.....
Wow, I'm so pleased to see Jordon Peterson. I never saw but bits and pieces of him in the past. They left me with a negative impression of him. Its good to see the whole person.
He's way up on my list of heroes and I'm an often wise old man. I wish someone like him had been around when I was young. You are so very fortunate to have a man like him to guide you at your young age. I grew up in the pre computer age. kids back than didn't have quick easy access to worthy mentors like Peterson.
Yes, I would pray to have the patience of Dr. Peterson. Look a how effective he was at getting his point across. He could have rightfully so stopped Bill in his tracks and tell him how wrong he was, but by listening intently and just offering a opposing view, he actually got Bill to listen. If he would have come a Bill hard, Bill would have just got mad and not listened to a thing the Dr. said.
It's not painful to watch, imo. I get a big thrill every single time I watch JP discuss anything, thrilled that I find out I can comprehend everything that's coming out of his mouth! "Women are hypergamous." Bill: wait, what...? Lol😅 But I gotta hand it to Bill. Not too many take the time to be but ignorant these days. And he has the courage to fully express himself; not being polite. This was awesome to watch.
At 44, trying to get through a difficult divorce and getting killed by the State's Family Court Division, I discovered one day that I had become a Christian. It was not an "Oh Joy" but an "Oh Shit!" proposition. I discovered that much of my life I had put myself in a position to "save" other people, when in fact, human's can't "save" anyone. That's where my transformation began. Right, wrong, or indifferent, my life has been much better when I realized, I was heavy laden and I needed rest. Thanks for reading.
I'm grateful for Jordan Peterson for so many reasons - for one, he is a great humanitarian and intellectual giant. He is also honest and has probably helped more people then anyone else I can currently think of. Salute Sir.
Man! What a great talk! It’s so nice to hear two intelligent people who have significant differences speak so respectfully to one another and discuss important topics! Well done Bill & Jordan!
Bill is a really generous host and Peterson is an equally generous guest. BOTH make comments at different times that the other could respond to harshly, but the spirit of generosity and the delight in conversing always smooths those hiccups over. Absolute masterclass in discussion as podcasting.
I may be a poor dirt worker, but I learn something new every day. Every evening I’m tired, proud of my work, and a little bit smarter. I wonder how often Bill gets to feel that way?
He is has an excellent depth and breadth of knowledge. Im a contractor, I find no value in being tired at the end of the day. You cannot become smarter, only more knowledgeable and hopefully wiser. Im sure his life is very rewarding.
Yes. He can go on a rant when it's something he's got a thing about. As well as being hard on the guest, it can backfire if the guest has a deeper knowledge of the subject than Bill..
Online course lectures are the best. You can fast forward and rewind things. So valuable. Avoiding people, and not having to get to and from classes on time are huge perks. Whatever you’re learning, make sure the information is correct.
Online learning eliminates the people intersection to be able to call bluff to far left leaning educators that should be fired for harming young people that put their trust in them.
Poor Bill. I have been married 50 years and my wife and I make new memories everyday. We don't live off 2 years of happiness like he said. Bill is very immature and I don't think he will ever grow up. So be it, if he's happy. But my wife and I are happy, everyday. Except when we listen to lying politicians. Which is way too often lately.
@@Paintit33 Yeah he is likeable. Like the stoners you met in college. But most of what he does is walk a fine line between left and right so he can make a shit ton of money. That's what he's really good at.
I can tell you as unmarried at my age. It's not a win. People gaslight themselves. It's complicated, but something happened to marriage and people's ability to manage them.
It’s good to have a mashup of different guests. I love the ones who made you think, Make me laugh, teach me something. But I also love Tommy Lee’s interview
A brilliant performance from Peterson. This format was able to highlight his strengths in my opinion. Pay attention to the subject discussed and when Bill takes a sip. Bill has his to hand to his chin and is really listening to Peterson and seems willing to absorb his points. I don't mind someone genuinely arguing against religion; They're just trying to understand. Bill is really listening despite arguing and Peterson offers up very valid arguments. It's beautiful to watch.
I think Jordan really thinks that laughing is "understood." I think he actually did find humor in the jokes, but he knows that Bill knows that he inherently understands the jokes and would find them funny. So why waste the time laughing when there are pressing issues to discuss?
I mostly enjoyed this conversation, but I do find that Bill cuts Jordan off a lot before he's finished his sentence, and it's usually with a joke which then pulls the conversation in a different direction. This happened often enough that it became noticible and frustrating. Whether you agree or disagree with someone's opinion, it's still courtesy to let them finish speaking before you interject.
23 year old here. I listen to both media sides from CNN to the daily wire. I am conservative with some liberal ideas. I refuse to believe that people have no ulterior motives in any job industries especially news, broadcasting and politics
If you really have this thought you need to listen to The Shawn Ryan Podcast specifically with Mike Benz. It will change your perspective on government as a whole as well as the entire world and what NATO is trying to do to influence elections and how people think.
I remember going to college in the 90's Peterson is spot on many of the courses were lectures 100+ students and the professor just talked. Others especially the ones with smaller numbers of students were so boring it was hard to stay awake. I'm thinking a back he's right probably 10% of the courses were good quality
Nice when people with different points of view can have a good natured conversation about those points of view. That's how I like to remember the world, before [anti] social media.
Yeah, but as I just commented. That same media algorithm got me here in 2 hours. Social media is just a tool, so I still think it's important to not 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater'.
Agreed. But there still is the irony/hypocrisy of the left being good ???? Him constantly being ignorant... being a sanity point.... what even is the far right' common sense at this point ??? This guy helps idiocracy.
Nah, before that you just weren't able to witness the fights that would happen. With social media we are just able to see what everyone is doing all the time. Before that it was just that crazy guy at the bar who would start fights with people who disagreed with him. You just wouldn't hear about it. Social media is great if you are a respectful person who likes honest conversation and is an emotionally balanced individual. Unfortunately social media draws out all the crazy people too. I am actually much more likely to lash out during a real life conversation than one on social media. On social media I am able to collect myself and calm down before responding to someone. I am horrible at that in real life. I once got into a very dumb argument with my brother and ended up throwing something at him. That couldn't have happened on social media.
I'm of the opposite mindset of Bill....but he really is a beautiful human being. Peterson (of course) was brilliant (as always). I really had a great time listening to this. Thanks Bill.
@WesternPatriot-v8m He came away from it as a victim. His life journey includes that trauma. It is unfortunate. We need minds like Bill's on God's side.
Maher unfortunately stifles this interview by talking, talking, and once Jordan begins the seed of a response he cuts in to try and finish what Jordan begins to say and talks and talks more, adding very little other than his superficial cynicism
@@slider292 we aren’t asking for an interview. We are asking for a conversation where the guest gets to finish a damn thought without constantly getting cut off. Other podcasters manage to let other people talk all the time. But they aren’t blasted at the time so they aren’t the drunk at the party monopolizing the conversation constantly
I'm a 64 year old nurse, mother of 8., grandmother of many. Trust me, Medicine is not what it use to be. Been way dumbed down. No longer truly merit based.
Great discussion Bill, Jordan modulates you in such a way that makes you much better and strangely enough you modulate him in a way that makes him much better. Bravo.
It's called being rich. He has had a hair transplant for example. I'm sure he's had numerous other cosmetic surgeries. I really wish ordinary people would understand this more and have more realistic understanding of why people look so good
@@allenwixted1992 I need to look at it in more detail which would require more effort than I wish to give you sir. But I do know, for example that he's had a hair transplant that is obvious just from a cursory glance. I'm in the profession by the way haha
He's had hair transplants for years now, that's not it ( plus anybody with a stable job can pay for that just like a boob job) so that's not it , and I disagree with him in many issues ( specially the imaginary friend) but I think he's a good guy, like Rogan, they have big biases but mean good@@theartfuldodger8609
Constantly accusing people of communism, denying man-made climate change with absurd pseudo science, implying that being trans is a biblical sin, obfuscating on religious questions, equating gender affirming care to the Nazi experiments undertaken at Auschwitz, accusing feminists of an "unconscious wish for brutal male domination", denying the existence of white supremacists in Canada, claiming that prehistoric humans were able to perceive the double helix structure of their own DNA etc etc
I miss people talking like this. Two people from different sides of a topical coin, but not dismissing one another or hating on each other. Just the pleasure of exchanging perspectives and pursuing the conversation with curious interest. Exchanging ideas shouldn’t lead to shouting over one another, or trying to “kid table” the other person disrespectfully to fuel a napoleonic smugness of moral superiority (like we see nowadays)
Watching Bill Maher always reminds me that I really should have kids.
Live with out kids is not meaningful.
He makes me so happy that I believe in God 😂😂😂
Bill is like Peter Pan in real life. That’s not a good thing.
Exactly. I don't wanna have kids but watching Maher makes me wanna have at least 7.
@@nickp7529 That is a ridiculous take. You can absolutely live a meaningful life without kids. You can also have kids and still not lead a meaningful life. You see examples of both these scenarios all the time.
u know what i like about jordan peterson? he listens intently to your entire point, and THEN rebuts
Saying what he always says.
@@felixmidas2020 nobody agrees with everything everyone says but he has a lot of good ideas
he then tells you what you meant to say but you didn't and goes off on a tangent on his wrong take anyway.
@@felixmidas2020 he has so much to say he never says the same thing twice. Maybe that's all you're hearing but if that's the case you're missing a lot.
@@newutopians I think you're missing that he has a lot of subjects and even words that he repeats a lot.
The differences between “smart ass” and “smart” are painfully obvious here.
Great observation
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I wonder if the first characterization is not too complex: a simple "ass" incapsulate the essence.
So well said
Bill's knowledge of The New Testament is sad. He says that none of the Apostles knew Jesus? One requirement of an Apostle was that he have known Christ, have had some person to person experience of him. John was particularly close to Jesus.
Paul doesn't write much about the cardinal doctrines because that isn't the purpose of the Epistles. There can't be any doubt that Paul believed all of the cardinal doctrines.
Peterson Academy Student here! I just finished Jonathan Pageau’s course Symbolism & Christianity. It has completed changed the way I view the world, people’s behavior, and the way I communicate with my employees.
are you hoping that it'll actually become a reputable credential in the future like JP claims, or did you simply do it because you want to learn about christianity kinda like registering for masterclass or udemy?
All of Peterson's claims about Pageau are true, he is one smart, charismatic dude.
@@ysf-d9i solely because I love learning and enriching my thought process. It’s also only $500 a year for unlimited courses. You can take whatever appeals to you and complete them entirely at your own pace. I enjoy a lecture a night. So far Pageau’s course has been my favorite.
They also add courses monthly and they don’t teach WHAT to think, but HOW to think. It’s been a wonderful experience. I genuinely look forward to my daily lecture.
@@abberzbaybee again, are you learning just to learn or specifically hoping to get an university level education for a future career?
Jordan does have a talent for meeting interlocutors at their own levels while still retaining his own adherence to truthfulness.
well said.
Jordan adheres to truth? 🙄
When? He literally can not define it!! 😂
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@@yew2oob954U a bot or dumb?
He also attracts pseudointellectuals who talk like you because they think they sound smart.
"Intelocutors" fuck off 😂
I love that these 2 men can sit down and have this conversation! It’s really to Bill’s credit. I disagree with him on almost everything, but I respect him. Listening to these 2 both agree and disagree gives me hope that we can still find common ground in this country
Bill is a m@ron
I agree. I don't understand many of Bill's views. but he refuses to join the cancle culture. He even hired Sage Sreel, who was canceled by ESPN.
I can't respect him because he CAN'T *respect* that others believe differently or accept when someone knows more or something he doesn't.
He ATTACKS folks for being religious. He doesn't leave it at just personally not believing in God.
Candace Owens & Megyn Kelly both categorically, factually proved him absolutely wrong on assertions he made about J6, to the point that MK emphatically said, "STOP MAKING ME HAVE TO DEFEND TRUMP!!!" Did he listen, research & adjust his thinking accordingly with new information? NOPE! He continues parroting patently false lies.
Being able to talk to people who believe differently is only valuable if both parties actually LISTEN. Bill CANNOT listen if it involves God, kids or Trump.
You can agree to disagree
@@mbac203 Bill can't. He just says "anyway" & runs away from the subject. He can't intelligently debate half the crap he rants about incessantly.
The ability to see the blind spots of others but not your own-pretty much sums up Bill Maher’s perspective on the world. Zero Introspection.
It's called narcissism
@@gino2868 Indeed it is.
AND Jordan!!!! 😂😂😂💀
Exactly.
Cognitive dissonance 😢
How can I press a dislike button for bill but a like button for Jordan
😂😂😂
I’m actually liking Bill because he’s showing his humanity here
Right!!!
I endorse that statement..🙂
they are gettig along quite well tho
Bill: “These radicals want to get rid of America at its roots”
Also Bill: “Get rid of all religion”
Synagogues are political not just religious institutions they need to integrate and separate church and state. Calling themselves an ethnic group is far from honest instead of a religious group like everyone else. Are they tribal then? I thought tribalism and cults are considered bad wrong illegal for everyone else. These federations charities need to be audited globally.
@@WesternPatriot-v8m sounds like Marxist double talk to me.
You clearly don’t understand anything you’re talking about.
@WesternPatriot-v8m and Catholic Church don't ??? They priests are above the law. Catholic church can do whatever they want and too bad if you don't like it. So... also point your finger at them.
😂😂😂😂😂 oh damn so true lol 😂😂😂😂
since when is America a theocracy?
Im always so excited to see Jordan Peterson on Club Random, it makes me cheekily hopeful that Bill Maher is finally getting the therapy he needs
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Will vouch for Peterson Academy. Idk if it’ll ever land me a job, but it’s beyond fascinating and part of my daily routine.
Honestly id get it just as an investment in extra curricular activities, it's so worth it. Also how else will we the consumer change the world if not literally give people support like JP to continue their awesome work. What u want to fund woke culture and woke trash university? Not me. Im working fin I'm 26, rich for my age so I'll give money to Jordan's academy. Id fail here and be happy knowing I'm supporting someone who very well deserved it if any ody ever did on this planet.
I’ve been really enjoying it!
I think it's really that Peterson is talking about getting an accreditation or otherwise is planning on going to companies directly so that those who get his degree can actually use it in the business setting. We're seeing a paradigm change in University unlike anything that's been done in the last 6000 years of academia.
@@jeremiahnoar7504it really won’t be that hard to do. In the last ten years bootcamp graduates have become a more preferable hire over people who just got their bachelors in computer science, due to more practical and updated experience. Bureaucratic red tape has ruined everything.
What a pleasure it is to listen to Dr. Peterson. BRAVO.
I went to University in Ontario, and I have such hatred for the system. A “professor” reading off a PowerPoint, with no extra info, encouraged me to stay at home and just read the damn PowerPoints. Good on you Peterson. Love from Ontario
I have a similar experience here in Québec.
Most of the teachers either go on rants about their political opinions out of nowhere. Those that don't do like you said, they just read off the Powerpoint.
I remember arriving in class last semester, and the teacher was staring at her laptop's screen, reading the powerpoint. 0 interactions with the students. I left after 1h30min and never came back. Never opened my books either, I still got 95% in the finals. That shouldn't be possible. I pay for an education, yet I just proved that the class thought me absolutely nothing?
It pisses me off to a very high degree
@@mildlyfrostedbegels these days chat gpt can get you the useless degree
1000%.
McLuhan was my gateway drug, Peterson got me hooked
I had a Pathology prof who 'taught' this way. I found it maddening. I would have to take time out of each week at home and actually learn what I should have learned in class. It was such a waste of everyone's time. As you've said, just give me the pp info and I'll skip the presentation.
4:56 "It's hard to monetize preventative strategies." In one sentence, Peterson explained so much. You can spend a day unpacking that statement.
Wow I skipped EXACTLY to him saying that as I was reading this.
I also found that comment especially profound. When he said that, I immediately thought of how the financial planning/brokerage industries have started to move more towards a percentage of assets managed incentive model instead of a transactional sales model. I wonder if the same concept could be applied to medicine: where one pays a PCP an annual fee to manage prevention on a continual basis and perhaps there could even be "incentive pay" if they are able to improve a certain set of metrics from year to year. I think the problem with this idea is that these types of services would be quite time intensive. Therefore, the supply would be absorbed by the rich, and the lower income classes would be finding it harder and harder to even find a PCP to get an annual physical.
The intricacies of healthcare economics continue to boggle my mind to the extent that I still do not feel that I have a strong opinion of what would be best. The stronger negotiating power of a single-payer system makes me ever so slightly lean towards that being a better system than we currently have. I do understand that it would create shortages and reduce innovation, and I certainly do not want to downplay those adverse effects. However, I think a lot of our innovation is geared towards pharmaceuticals, which IMHO are not financially incentivized to actually "cure" diseases (but rather to merely manage them). And it's also geared a lot to first-world, elective bullshit like Viagra and Ozempic (where the wealthy acquire all of it to lose weight instead of the poor for diabetes management). So I'm not sure that losing innovation is really as much of a con to society as a whole as some would make it out to be. The taxes would be higher, but I believe it's likely that the overall healthcare cost reduction to society would be larger than the additional taxes, thus a net benefit.
But as I stated before, I'm no expert, and it's an unbelievably complicated issue. I just hope we can figure out *something* better soon.
4:52
The other part of that I always think of is there is no money in solving health issues. In theory, you are working yourself out of a job as a doctor. In practice, maybe you could get an appointment within a week as a patient when you’re sick.
As someone who works in preventative medicine, he is very correct.
Kinda sad to see insurances pay for all sorts of treatments, just not the best options (which are also fairly cheap)
Bill Maher speaking with Jordan Peterson is always gold. They agree & disagree on subject matter with respect & a general desire to express/understand each other's POV. Everyone needs to view more content like this.
Because they are smart, never see a woke liberal feminist agree and disagree with respect
Let's be honest: religion is used as a tool for division among people. Those in power frequently interpret religious beliefs to suit their own agendas, allowing them to maintain control and influence over others.
Censors are out in full force. Let's try to make a sensible reply again:
Let's be honest: religion is used as a tool for division among people. Those in power frequently interpret religious beliefs to suit their own agendas, allowing them to maintain control and influence over others.
Yes it is. Both are very intelligent, deep thinkers. Have you seen Jordan Peterson speak with Douglas Murray? It's next level in terms of logic, intellect and oratory skills.
It's so rare to see, but when people talk like mature adults, it gives a little hope for humanity.
Oh my sweet lord. The old Jordan Peterson is back. To watch him hear out an argument. Patiently waiting. Without interruption and then to offer a rebuttal In seconds regarding western civilization having plenty of turds in the pool. I mean man... Truely exemplified how listening is the most powerful tool in ones arsenal.. that was an absolute pleasure to watch
That's not rebuttal, that's textbook whataboutism--ie. changing the subject because he knows he's wrong and can't win
Listening to Jordan Peterson is inspiring. He always leaves me thinking, often to his favor. Very hard not to be persuaded by such a display of knowledge, logic and philosophy. I got closer to Christ once I understood the ideas within the Bible, and Jordan Peterson explained them to me so perfectly, so logically, that I became a Christian.
Isaiah 44:6 I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.
What Bill said about the New Testament was ludicrously wrong. The Paul stuff. Holy wow. Incorrect on basic toddler levels. How does someone of his level get facts so insanely wrong.
Glory to God
And yet, the same man your talking about supports some of the most ungodly acts being committed by a foreign country, all because some misguided idea that we “have to support them no matter what”
As an actual Christian, I don’t support SIN. No matter who does it. Nor do I idol worship a country and tell myself I’m not allowed to criticize them.
What scary is you actually believe there is some imaginary friend in the sky.
When Peterson is at his best, he is indeed the best. Maher also leveled up. Pleasant conversation.
If maher could calm down his TDS he would be soooooo much more likeable
@@williamwest9204 true
I love how Peterson talks about William Wilberforce almost singlehandedly ended slavery in England, peacefully, and Bill Maher has no idea who Wilberforce was.
Tbf i haven't either until today
I was more surprised Bill didn’t know what hypergamy was. That term is thrown around every day in the dating sphere. Bill’s age is starting to show a little bit when it comes to knowledge of newer topics as well. I feel like Bill is clearly a conservative leaning person these days, but doesn’t want to officially say it.
He's honestly got cognitive dissonance about it... He doesn't go hard enough with topics like Kamala@@matthewsisti4382
I’m not convinced Wilberforce ended slavery in England “almost single-handedly.”
@@joelharveyindeed, he came to the movement quite late, and was otherwise quite a repressive guy
Thank you Mr. Peterson. Reasonable, tolerant and nice to hear always. Thank you Bill, you are more open minded than many your age and that's nice to see.
I can listen to Jordan Peterson defend Christianity all day. Ty
Honestly yes. Jordan has brought back the allure that I bet people had when they used to listen stories 2000 years ago or maybe even before when we were cave man. The style of preaching or even lecturing of JP is primordial 😊
He made no sensible defense here. Not that he ever does.
You'd be listening for more than a day if you asked him does God exist
@@vids595 you my men aren't maybe high school level educated it seems. So you probably don't even know what is a women right??
He already lost the plot when Bill brought up the point about the religion and supremacy.
This interview wasn't for Maher, it's for us, thank you Doctor.
Peterson does that to us all, If we're smart enough to realize it and change.
This was a good interview because it finally wasn't a fanboy with the exact same views interviewing him. Jordan Peterson is at his best in this situations. Not talking to fucking Ben Shapiro or any of those characters añat Daily Wire
Yes I 100% agree! Thanks to these interviews I’ve been able to fully research and read Dr Petersons books. 12 rules of life… changed my life.
Anyone listening to Jordan Peterson deserves to be lonely
@@zacharywhite211our ideas shine best when examined by those who disagree in good faith....or, a better idea shines upon us if we are open minded and wise enough to be willing to recognize such when confronted with it.
I’m a 23 year old woman listening to this. I try to listen to everyone in order to keep in mind different perspectives.
i'm a 60 year old man and trying to do the same thing. I think these two guys try to do the same thing also.
I think we learn our entire lives… if not, we’re dead. 52-year old woman here. ❤️
You’re wise beyond your years❤️
I wish Mahr did, he is decent, but as soon as Trump enters his TDS kicks in and he can't think it seems.
@@skidmoda I've noticed the same thing. Bill is generally a good critical thinker, but bring up Trump or Biden and all his objectivity goes out the window. He obviously bought into this mindset, "because we hate Trump, we must at all costs pretend that Biden is the greatest president of all time."
I would love to ask him, "what's one good thing that Trump did?" Almost every Trump-hater I've asked that to will insist that literally 100% of everything Trump ever did was evil, which just goes to show they've lost all sense of objective rationality.
Dr. Peterson’s restraint is extraordinary. I fail in that regard so badly.
It’s refreshing to see two people have a civilised debate and conversation.
Espesialy on such nice furniture!
Exactly we used to be that way. Learn from each other, not cancel each other. That was very mature of us!
@@anitaburke6932As long as we talk we continue to do so
Yet the comments aren’t so far off from being uncivilised…. 😅
Jordan Peterson brings out a robustness and fairness I didn’t know Bill had!
Bill isn't perfect. Nor is Jordan. But they are both aware of this and are ok with it.
And Bill fails to bring out some logic about population in Jordan. Inspiring stuff
Trump is an abomination. "BILL MAHER IS FAIR". lol... Notice Jordan did not insult any politician on the left. So no that is not "fair"... Bill is old liberal that doesnt seem to understand that his party has moved on, it is now the party of war, muti lating children and of ha te.
He clearly respects Dr. Peterson a lot and is happy to be able to learn from him.
Bill and Jordan have been interacting for years now. They seem to have grown to be friends on some level.
Surprised Jordan didn’t call out Bill’s narcissism when Bill mocked being in love.
This was like watching a glass of water interview an ocean.
More like a glass of water and a baloney sandwich.
JP ain't all that
He never calls out Trump’s obvious narcissism, so why would he call out Bill’s?
@@champat187198220He 100% does call out Trump on his dark triad tendencies. You obviously don’t consume his content enough to know enough to make that observation.
@al1665 who should a JP fan watch instead of him?
Two of my favorite people in a civil unscripted conversation. This is what all of America needs. Conversation without hateful ignorant debates.
I love how these two interact. They seem to respect each other equally. So the conversation flows and is easier to follow without any ego battles.
Agreed, I don't think they interrupted each other once, a very rare phenomenon these days.
This is what liberal means. Different opinions expressed. Both leaving believing they got something to take away.
@@Jeremyramone Rare for Bill more like pfff
@@davidbeddoe6670 bill is terrible with that, as well as h stern, j peterson etc
@@Jeremyramone Bill is famously one of the worst perpetrators
I usually criticize Peterson for talking too much on his podcasts rather than allowing his guest to do most of the talking but Maher is on a whole other level. Man he loves the sound of his own voice.
I was thinking exactly the same thing . Bill was as well do a one man show where he just sits there and gets drunk and spouts what ever is on his mind .
It's so painful to hear him make the most dumbest and ignorant takes on the issues he has very little knowledge about, and being so sure of himself
I feel like he didn't do it that bad in this podcast.
Your just a Maher Hater that's all, no shame in that!, But he is the Host, he has to keep things going. But keep watching to support his views!
Well it is his show, so
Only watching this because of Jordan Peterson..
Bills got some good interviews. Russell, Vivek, and others.
Cool story man, thanks for letting us know.
@@Whitney2941 Yes, all the fascists
@@theslowevo9303 you are silly. I bet you’ve not watched a single one.
@@Whitney2941 I've seen every episode. All they talk about is "woke" this and "woke" that. They are a bunch of crazy people.
Fascinating show! Finally something worthy to watch fully immersed in 1x and not speeding up to 3x as to most of other podcasts. Every interaction and movement of lips and hands was powerful in this video.
Damn I wanted to hear where JP was going when he talked about the Universities and was going to give his take on Trump and the Debate and Trump's team. Bill totally steered the conversation away!
Per usual. 😂
Me too! Then they circled back to other things but not the one challenge to Bill's thinking that i really wanted to see Jordan take up! 😢
It's funny to me how earnest JP is with right wing lunatics and yet Kamala is just flippantly awful no attempting to bend reality to his view.
Yeah was thinking same but I’m kind of blaming Jordan because he’s got a decent brain and can go back if he wanted to. He doesn’t stick up for Trump most of us who are against the deep state the system that he’s wanting to fix unlike most any politician ALSO he’s for us unlike all democrats etc.
I too noticed that the conversation got steered away whether it was intentional or not. Definitely missed out on that.
Dr. Peterson, I'm sorry to hear that you still have pain from your illness. I hope you get better! 🙏 And thanks for speaking out for prevention!
Maher is extremely harsh and critical of Trump supporters but in the next breath essentially says they’re right for thinking the way they do.
Timestamp?
It's not really that complicated. You can agree with some conservative ideas and still think Trump is a horrible human being because of the way he conducts himself.
@@BofaDeezKnights that doesn’t describe what I’m talking about
Cognitive dissonance or more simply...TDS.
@@Atomb May I ask a good faith question (granted, you'll just have to trust me when I say that; I genuinely want to know)? What kind of criticism could someone levy at Trump that you would NOT consider TDS outside of "I don't like his rhetoric?" I ask because I have attempted many times to emphasize why I believe that Trump's actions near the end of the 2020 election with the pushing of unsubstantiated narratives of widespread voter fraud, fake electors from swing states, followed by the lightest of interventions during the J6 riots (considering they were HIS supporters) are more than enough to justify voting for ANYone but him - including Kamala Harris, as much as it may pain me to do so. Unfortunately, when I try to explain this to Trump supporters, I'm nearly always met with a response akin to "TDS lol."
Is it possible that Trump actually IS worthy of contempt politically, despite the faults of Democrats and MSM?
I appreciate your consideration and thoughtful response. Peace.
Peterson effortlessly refutes Maher, but it all happens without any heated arguments.
What I love about Jordan is, he can have a real conversation Bill Maher within days of having a very pro-Trump conversation, and still be a serious man without it blowing up in debate. The fact that Jordan can maintain friendship with Bill, and likewise to Bill’s credit, is the moral of this whole podcast.
Malignant narcissists display traits and symptoms of antisocial and narcissistic personality disorder. When combined, these traits tend to lead to a very severe form of pathology. While both ASPD and NPD are both types of personality disorders, how they affect a person varies greatly.1,5
Common traits of a malignant narcissist include:3,6
• Being extremely arrogant and self-centered - Trump “I am better looking than Harris”, Crowd size,
• Disregarding the feelings and needs of other people- John McCain was not a hero, I like people who are not captured.
• Manipulating, using, or exploiting others for personal gain or pleasure
• Having an extreme need for power
• Acts of revenge against those who criticize them - I am your retribution.
• Fantasizing about ways to obtain more power or dominance over others- Brags crowd size.
• Lacking conscience, regret, or remorse for their actions- No sorry for cheating on Melania
• Being cruel and taking pleasure in the pain of others - Mocked the disabled reporter
• High levels of aggression towards other people -Lock her up.
• Paranoia or mistrust of others
@@ChopChic1 Peterson has his faith its not up to him to convince Bill
@@ChopChic1His strategy is way better then attacking people for their lack of belief. He did a great job defending his faith.
@@ChopChic1it’s not our job as christians to defend our faith because God doesn’t need man to defend Him! our job is to spread the word so that others can be saved. we christians don’t need to convince people that our faith in our Lord Jesus Christ is the path to salvation, we only need to spread His word and the Holy Spirit will do the rest. again, God doesn’t need you, me, or jordan to defend Him from pagans and atheists, we only need to spread the word and hold on tight because the worst is yet to come before the second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ to save us all from the sufferings of this world! may God bless you brother!
There is very little Bill and I would agree on politically or morally, but I do respect him to at least be willing to hear other sides.
Something I did find out about Bill by listening to this video, and I find it rather strange, for a self proclaimed atheist he sure knows a lot about the Bible. He even appears to like a lot of the Bible and what it represents, but in the next breath he wants to end everything religious. I do think he is authentic, but I'd like to know more about how he comes to those conclusions.
Jordan is better than ever. Bill is the same old same old. This healthy Jordan is amazing to watch
❤
I dont regularly watch Bill, but this one I just couldn't miss. Great watch
Its pretty baseless. Maher is in his late stage capitalism phase. He has nothing of value to say, so he has to monetize clicks and promote his narcissism.
I agree. He still hates Trump. He doesn't dislike him. He hates him.
I so appreciate that these two get together for conversation. It's so important and not happening often enough.
Having Jordan Peterson on as a guest is a good business decision too Bill. Your highest rated or most viewed Club random episode from before was with Jordan Peterson!!!
Bill : I’m against the woke
Also Bill : Gavin Newson is doing an amazing job
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timestamp?
@@ehaaron he said that on his HBO show,he likes the man and thinks he’s doing a good job he even wants him to run for potus
I actually don't understand why people have such a hard time staying focused on actively loving their spouses that they chose, but no trouble loving their children that they didn't choose.
We hand pick our spouses in the modern era. They should be the easiest people in the world to love, if we understand what love is.
I could listen to these two talk all day. Love the respectful disagreement and the meeting in the middle when they do. Calm, rational conversation.
Rational is a bit of a stretch. Bill, like many chronic weed smokers, suffer frim short term memory loss disorder.
@@keithwilliams8342yeah and he is just so closed minded to hearing the other side. Anytime someone attempts to talk about Trump, he does the equivalent of putting his hands over his ears yelling I can’t hear you I can’t hear you
I took online courses from Old Dominion University. They were live, plugged in at the campus in Norfolk. But the value was in checking out lecture videos and being able to rewatch them. Way, way more valuable than sitting live, especially on topics you didn't understand. And you could discuss things virtually with the professor. Because of being able to rewatch the lectures, I found it value added. Not value reduced. And I've been in both extremely large and extremely small classes. Definite advantage. We'd check out lecture videos from the college library. Peterson's idea is a good one.
Bill made the same comments about religion about 4,000 times at this point. He doesn't seem very smart if he can't bring up new points. I thought JP did a fantastic job in this podcast by not being rattled in the slightest and talking in a very mature and intelligent manner. As a man, I'm happy JP exists and is popular at this time. I can't explain how much JP has helped me in my life.
“As a man…”
Would you say the same if you were a woman?
The fact that he can't get past his tired, juvenile many times debunked objections to faith also makes him look less than intelligent. This format really shows off his cognitive weaknesses.
Theres nothing new in religion so theres no new points to make about it. Its a fossilized text.
@@nickm8425 the irony of saying that about one of the only living texts in existence is profoundly ignorant and hilarious.
@@sahh9464lol there is nothing to “debunk”, it debunks itself. Religion is based on faith, that is all. The Bible is an amazing book full of fascinating stories, some based on real experiences with supernatural elements thrown in, written by men. Saying God is real because the Bible says so is circular reasoning. Even Peterson couldnt possibly deny this, if he considers himself any kind of scholar. Men have written amazing books and created amazing things throughout history - men and women, through sweat and blood. I am free to have faith that “fairies” (insert “anything” here) are real and have a whole philosophical argument about it, but absent empirical evidence, you must accept it is all based purely on faith. It might be great for YOU in your personal life and you should be free to believe and practice that as long as you dont hurt others, but it has NO place in the rules of society/the public at large.
This was a good conversation. I like the way that Bill and Jordan play off each other, its like Bill is the devil on your shoulder and Jordan is the angel having an argument
Jordan Peterson is one of the most amazing people that I have ever had the privilege of learning from. He makes complicated information more digestible. I'm always learning new things from him about subjects I thought I knew a lot about already.
Very true.
He has some good ideas some bad ideas.
He string together nonsense that makes idiots feel smart.
@@CMA418curious what you think the bad ideas are
@@staywoke2198 Jordan Peterson on Conversion Therapy
"…if you have any sense[as a therapist], you realize that you have enough trouble with your own destiny to not bother imposing your viewpoint, moral or otherwise…”
“…there’s a fair bit of fluidity in human sexuality, and people have to come to terms with that.”
“It’s not a disease…so it doesn’t need a ‘cure’”
---Sounds good, but then….
“Many legislatures around the world now have banned so-called ‘conversion therapy’, and to me this has been a catastrophe.”
---So it’s a “catastrophe” that people want to outlaw therapists from imposing their worldview on others by convincing their clients they have a disease and need a cure?
Much love from 🇨🇦 Jordan!!!!! We love you!!!
Listening to this without Bills obnoxious audience is so refreshing and doesn't make me want to toss my laptop
He hasn't been shitting on them like he used to a couple of years ago, which I miss.
Whoooooooo!
That guy…
@@TheInvestigativeExaminers206 Did you have something to say?
I totally agree with Jordan about teaching. There are very few that are effective. Teaching is a performance and needs preparation. Jordan is always a wealth of knowledge ❤
My daughter is trained in acting. She was struggling like most and decided to sign a one year contract to teach middle school ELA - crazy, but the students hang unto every word she says. Most of their behavior is terrible in their other classes. But my daughter prepares hours on end for her students. It helps that she loves Writing and English.
Years ago I watched JBP's classes and learned a lot. He was (is, I suppose) a great teacher.
Jordan is a masterclass in how he deals with someone with an opinion that is diametrically opposite from his.
Yea the psychologist is shining through.
To be fair, Bill Maher is a great sport too. They are both well-versed in debate. One of the greatest characteristics of both is that they will find every common ground they share and reaffirm it so they can find the source of disagreement. Bad debaters or people who argue in bad faith, will just keep moving the goal post and never admit they agree with you on anything even when it has become obvious that they do.
Trail off into some completely unrelated sophistry? Yeah well done.
"yes and"
I really love this discussion, it was wonderfully refreshing, because each person was trying to listen and see the other person's view.
Pretty sure some of Jordan’s responses were edited out. At 18:59, the topic changes after his commercial even though Jordan was going to respond. Come on man.
its cut for time, watch part 2
Yeah that was pretty blatant lol
Gotta love when before the commercial Jordan doesn't have his hand on the glass. And after the commercial he does.
Please, if you're going to cut stuff out or edit the content because you don't like it, it's bad, or whatever. Well, the least you can do is learn about "continuity", LOL
Unbelievable how everything is just so fake nowadays.
You don't know why they edited it. Maybe Jordan said something silly
@@KGS922they didn’t edit out all the silly shit bill Maher said for 90 minutes…. Next?
Bill reminds me of my kids' teenage buddies. He doesn't take anything seriously enough to know it at its deepest level. Dispense with religion, kids and family, and companionship, throw away history I don't like. Laugh when I get exposed and pretend like I am just kidding anyway.
Agreed. He's supercilious and dismissive of pretty much everything the average person would say makes a good person.
This. Except he is too narcissistic to ever think he's wrong.
Peterson is extremely kind to him. Seems he’s trying to help him
Very well put.
Perfect explanation of bill..
It's beautiful how much Jordan Peterson brings out the best in Bill Maher 💯
He does the same with Piers Morgan, but Piers swings back down much faster & harder.
@@Dukkha-Bhavana The difference is that Peterson educates Maher.
Lol..... I usually fast forward the the ads at about 30 minutes in I just couldn't stop laughing You go You go Bill.
To substance I love Jordan Peterson and I'm really enjoying this interview so that's as far as I've gotten and back to our show.....
Wow, I'm so pleased to see Jordon Peterson. I never saw but bits and pieces of him in the past. They left me with a negative impression of him. Its good to see the whole person.
So gracious of Peterson to attend Maher's lecture.
PAINFUL
I've read ALL of Jordan Peterson's books - cannot wait to read the new one ! Thank you for your dedication Dr. Peterson !
Im 19. Always listening to Dr Peterson. He's my hero
Ouch
He's way up on my list of heroes and I'm an often wise old man. I wish someone like him had been around when I was young. You are so very fortunate to have a man like him to guide you at your young age. I grew up in the pre computer age. kids back than didn't have quick easy access to worthy mentors like Peterson.
This is painful to watch. Dr Peterson has the patience of Job
Yes, I would pray to have the patience of Dr. Peterson. Look a how effective he was at getting his point across. He could have rightfully so stopped Bill in his tracks and tell him how wrong he was, but by listening intently and just offering a opposing view, he actually got Bill to listen. If he would have come a Bill hard, Bill would have just got mad and not listened to a thing the Dr. said.
It's not painful to watch, imo. I get a big thrill every single time I watch JP discuss anything, thrilled that I find out I can comprehend everything that's coming out of his mouth!
"Women are hypergamous." Bill: wait, what...? Lol😅
But I gotta hand it to Bill. Not too many take the time to be but ignorant these days. And he has the courage to fully express himself; not being polite. This was awesome to watch.
@Abbotttdesign lolol
At 44, trying to get through a difficult divorce and getting killed by the State's Family Court Division, I discovered one day that I had become a Christian. It was not an "Oh Joy" but an "Oh Shit!" proposition. I discovered that much of my life I had put myself in a position to "save" other people, when in fact, human's can't "save" anyone. That's where my transformation began. Right, wrong, or indifferent, my life has been much better when I realized, I was heavy laden and I needed rest. Thanks for reading.
What a great way to put it. This was my reaction to my conversion to Christianity as well. ‘Holy shit what am I doing??’ But ill never look back.
Great comment
Exactly man!
u r still lost
@@saxon8981no you
I'm grateful for Jordan Peterson for so many reasons - for one, he is a great humanitarian and intellectual giant. He is also honest and has probably helped more people then anyone else I can currently think of. Salute Sir.
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Man! What a great talk! It’s so nice to hear two intelligent people who have significant differences speak so respectfully to one another and discuss important topics! Well done Bill & Jordan!
Bill is a really generous host and Peterson is an equally generous guest. BOTH make comments at different times that the other could respond to harshly, but the spirit of generosity and the delight in conversing always smooths those hiccups over.
Absolute masterclass in discussion as podcasting.
This was unexpectedly a super fun interview to listen to
Bill is so great when he respects the guest enough intellectually to not cut them off every 5 seconds. This was a great one!!
because he talkt 75 % of the time!
Instead, he cut him off every 6 seconds.
Absolute gold. What a meeting of minds. Thoroughly entertaining and enlightening Bill, anxiously awaiting part 2.
I may be a poor dirt worker, but I learn something new every day. Every evening I’m tired, proud of my work, and a little bit smarter. I wonder how often Bill gets to feel that way?
He is has an excellent depth and breadth of knowledge. Im a contractor, I find no value in being tired at the end of the day. You cannot become smarter, only more knowledgeable and hopefully wiser. Im sure his life is very rewarding.
Watching Bill Maher talk with Jordan Peterson reaffirms why I both admire Jordan and disdain Bill at the same time.
Cause you're dumb?
Let Jordon Peterson talk Bill. You are completely dominating this discussion!!!
Bill is anti western American values
Yes. He can go on a rant when it's something he's got a thing about. As well as being hard on the guest, it can backfire if the guest has a deeper knowledge of the subject than Bill..
it IS Bill's show and NOT Jordon's. Just in case you missed that part.
He always does.
@@johnpersinger4358 and as the host he should allow his guest to speak without interrupting constantly.
This by far is the best I've seen of Bill's podcasts! Thank you so much!
Online course lectures are the best. You can fast forward and rewind things. So valuable.
Avoiding people, and not having to get to and from classes on time are huge perks.
Whatever you’re learning, make sure the information is correct.
although university is mostly about people you meet, cannot substitute that with online learning
@@mikcu7531 you know if a university's main selling point is meeting people, it's probably not worth spending 10s of thousands on.
Online learning eliminates the people intersection to be able to call bluff to far left leaning educators that should be fired for harming young people that put their trust in them.
@@mikcu7531 University in Canada is mostly about filling seats with international students.
@@mikcu7531 those people are the reason we are in the situation we are in today.
Poor Bill. I have been married 50 years and my wife and I make new memories everyday. We don't live off 2 years of happiness like he said. Bill is very immature and I don't think he will ever grow up. So be it, if he's happy. But my wife and I are happy, everyday. Except when we listen to lying politicians. Which is way too often lately.
Bill's not happy.
So immature about love & relationships, religion too, but he’s likable sometimes
@@kellibuzzard9431 I agree.
@@Paintit33 Yeah he is likeable. Like the stoners you met in college. But most of what he does is walk a fine line between left and right so he can make a shit ton of money. That's what he's really good at.
I can tell you as unmarried at my age. It's not a win. People gaslight themselves. It's complicated, but something happened to marriage and people's ability to manage them.
I love the Fonz, but give me more guests like Peterson. It's such a great lesson in critical thinking and true debate.
It’s good to have a mashup of different guests. I love the ones who made you think, Make me laugh, teach me something. But I also love Tommy Lee’s interview
He interviewed the Fonz?!
And Tommy Lee?
Wow...
I wonder...was he insufferable in both?
A brilliant performance from Peterson. This format was able to highlight his strengths in my opinion. Pay attention to the subject discussed and when Bill takes a sip. Bill has his to hand to his chin and is really listening to Peterson and seems willing to absorb his points. I don't mind someone genuinely arguing against religion; They're just trying to understand. Bill is really listening despite arguing and Peterson offers up very valid arguments. It's beautiful to watch.
I love how hard Bill is trying to get JP to laugh and he just boldly states back at him. Hahaha love it
I was definitely laughing at Bill's jokes, regardless. Bill is a true comedian. ❤
It’s hard to laugh when you’re ideology is being mocked 😂😂😂
I think Jordan really thinks that laughing is "understood." I think he actually did find humor in the jokes, but he knows that Bill knows that he inherently understands the jokes and would find them funny. So why waste the time laughing when there are pressing issues to discuss?
In all honesty the timing on the jokes was pretty bad, but I’m no comedian 😂
@@PsychicRaven This falsehood of Bill being a comedian was unravelled when he had Bill Burr on. He was stripped bare of any such consideration.
Always the best guest Bill has on.
Jordan Peterson is the GOAT 🐐
Of bullshit artists.
I mostly enjoyed this conversation, but I do find that Bill cuts Jordan off a lot before he's finished his sentence, and it's usually with a joke which then pulls the conversation in a different direction. This happened often enough that it became noticible and frustrating. Whether you agree or disagree with someone's opinion, it's still courtesy to let them finish speaking before you interject.
I understand what you're getting at, but they do seem to be friendly with one another.
23 year old here. I listen to both media sides from CNN to the daily wire. I am conservative with some liberal ideas. I refuse to believe that people have no ulterior motives in any job industries especially news, broadcasting and politics
If you really have this thought you need to listen to The Shawn Ryan Podcast specifically with Mike Benz. It will change your perspective on government as a whole as well as the entire world and what NATO is trying to do to influence elections and how people think.
I remember going to college in the 90's Peterson is spot on many of the courses were lectures 100+ students and the professor just talked. Others especially the ones with smaller numbers of students were so boring it was hard to stay awake. I'm thinking a back he's right probably 10% of the courses were good quality
Kudos to Jordan Peterson for not getting into a fight with Bill Maher and for telling him what he truly thought.
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Maher has much nice lounge chairs tho
Great conversation; I enjoyed this immensely. Thank you to everyone who brought this to us.
Nice when people with different points of view can have a good natured conversation about those points of view. That's how I like to remember the world, before [anti] social media.
Yeah, but as I just commented. That same media algorithm got me here in 2 hours. Social media is just a tool, so I still think it's important to not 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater'.
Agreed. But there still is the irony/hypocrisy of the left being good ???? Him constantly being ignorant... being a sanity point.... what even is the far right' common sense at this point ??? This guy helps idiocracy.
when issues have no direct effect on you, it should be easy to have a good natured conversation over disagreements, especially in person.
Nah, before that you just weren't able to witness the fights that would happen. With social media we are just able to see what everyone is doing all the time. Before that it was just that crazy guy at the bar who would start fights with people who disagreed with him. You just wouldn't hear about it.
Social media is great if you are a respectful person who likes honest conversation and is an emotionally balanced individual. Unfortunately social media draws out all the crazy people too.
I am actually much more likely to lash out during a real life conversation than one on social media. On social media I am able to collect myself and calm down before responding to someone. I am horrible at that in real life. I once got into a very dumb argument with my brother and ended up throwing something at him. That couldn't have happened on social media.
you think these people have different points of view?
It is refreshing to see two people with different perspectives listening to each other.
This episode was better than the last time Jordan Peterson was on.
I know right.
Therapists sessions usually get better with time?
ya
Maybe he’s off the Xan.
I have immense respect for both of these guys. Good discussion here.
Great show - always good to see JP. Thx. Bill. 😊
Did you see the sweet lounge chairs?
I'm of the opposite mindset of Bill....but he really is a beautiful human being. Peterson (of course) was brilliant (as always). I really had a great time listening to this. Thanks Bill.
Bill doesn’t understand the Catholic religion
@WesternPatriot-v8m He came away from it as a victim. His life journey includes that trauma. It is unfortunate. We need minds like Bill's on God's side.
Maher unfortunately stifles this interview by talking, talking, and once Jordan begins the seed of a response he cuts in to try and finish what Jordan begins to say and talks and talks more, adding very little other than his superficial cynicism
All of his interviews consist of bill being a gas bag. Very egotistical
I think this is just the style of this podcast, it's not an interview it's getting together, drinking, smoking and bullshitting.
He babbles and ads zero value
Not an interview.
@@slider292 we aren’t asking for an interview. We are asking for a conversation where the guest gets to finish a damn thought without constantly getting cut off. Other podcasters manage to let other people talk all the time. But they aren’t blasted at the time so they aren’t the drunk at the party monopolizing the conversation constantly
I love watching these podcats. Bill Maher is such a fun guy to watch.
I'm a 64 year old nurse, mother of 8., grandmother of many. Trust me, Medicine is not what it use to be. Been way dumbed down. No longer truly merit based.
Mother of EIGHT
well done! Wow!!!
Sometimes I like Bill, sometimes I can't take him at all; but I'm really gladdened to see his appreciation for JBP.
I think you summed it perfectly.
Great discussion Bill, Jordan modulates you in such a way that makes you much better and strangely enough you modulate him in a way that makes him much better. Bravo.
Modular garbage aesthetic 🤫
I agree, they are good foils for each other. They should start a show together.
I think Maher is usually cringe. But in this episode he was indeed a bit better.
Did you notice the chairs ;)
Been watching Jordan for 5 years, he is looking incredibly healthy.
It's called being rich. He has had a hair transplant for example. I'm sure he's had numerous other cosmetic surgeries. I really wish ordinary people would understand this more and have more realistic understanding of why people look so good
@@theartfuldodger8609which surgeries?
Not mentally though.
@@allenwixted1992 I need to look at it in more detail which would require more effort than I wish to give you sir. But I do know, for example that he's had a hair transplant that is obvious just from a cursory glance. I'm in the profession by the way haha
He's had hair transplants for years now, that's not it ( plus anybody with a stable job can pay for that just like a boob job) so that's not it , and I disagree with him in many issues ( specially the imaginary friend) but I think he's a good guy, like Rogan, they have big biases but mean good@@theartfuldodger8609
How Jordan Peterson gets lumped in with far right extremists is beyond me. He is an intelligent, compassionate, and seemingly centrist man.
Maybe it is the drug addiction he had.
@@carolinefulton9942that doesn’t make sense. Drug addict = right wing? Since when?
Constantly accusing people of communism, denying man-made climate change with absurd pseudo science, implying that being trans is a biblical sin, obfuscating on religious questions, equating gender affirming care to the Nazi experiments undertaken at Auschwitz, accusing feminists of an "unconscious wish for brutal male domination", denying the existence of white supremacists in Canada, claiming that prehistoric humans were able to perceive the double helix structure of their own DNA etc etc
Because he hasn't
@@carolinefulton9942 what drug addiction?
I miss people talking like this. Two people from different sides of a topical coin, but not dismissing one another or hating on each other. Just the pleasure of exchanging perspectives and pursuing the conversation with curious interest.
Exchanging ideas shouldn’t lead to shouting over one another, or trying to “kid table” the other person disrespectfully to fuel a napoleonic smugness of moral superiority (like we see nowadays)
I really really am enjoying this interview. I have a new respect for Bill for his thoughts.
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