M4 Studios' The Hobbit: Extended Edition | Fan-Edit Review! | Order 42
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2021
- M4 Studios throws their hat into the ring with their own fan edit of The Hobbit! How does it stack up?
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M4 here, wanted to say thank you for the review! glad you checked it out.
No, thank you! I appreciate that you did so much hard work on it!
Really good edit mate, really brought the whole thing back to a state of just enjoyable watchableness. Great work!
You did a great job. A lot of sound work really helps sell the transitions perfectly.
@@owenkeller2748 Thanks mate
We all should than you for this edit. You did an amazing job.
It’s the best fanedit out there in terms of one movie extended edition runtime. Book accurate in story, tone, and character, while still maintaining a sound cinematic narrative, and it matches LOTR in look and feel. It’s my go to for viewing the hobbit now, and now I can finally add it to my LOTR 12 hour marathons.
Totally agreed!
This is a near-perfect Hobbit edit. The best we'll ever get in my opinion. I also enjoy Chris Hartwell and Adam Dens' longer but still strong visions. But M4's is chef's kiss.
I'd need to watch them all again to reach my final opinion - but you can't go wrong with M4's. So much of this stuff is so subjective!
My favorite edit of the Hobbit. Great cuts, amazing effect additions, and a great runtime. Its my go to.
Where can I find it?
There is a link to M4 Studios in the description. Should be able to find it there!
@@order42show Found it. Tnx
Not a problem!
This is my favourite of The Hobbit fan edits, glad you enjoyed it.
I did, and thank you for the suggestion!
I see how it is ;)
@@ChrisHartwell Chris has a book edit M4s edit is my favorite. But, just overall re-watching both edits recently I would probably say as a film you're edits would probably be my favorite. But both are great in their own way.
Been following M4 for years now and I've loved seeing how his work has evolved and his skill has grown. I'm incredibly proud of how far he has come
I just wanna say that after reading the book for the first time, I chose this fan-edit as my first way to experience the movie adaptation. You say that certain scenes feel very "truncated", but I'd like to assure you that to somebody who's never seen the full-length Hobbit trilogy, M4's edit felt incredibly natural. I had no idea the warg scene was supposed to be longer, or the dwarfs heading up to fight Azog. That's actually really surprising to me, because those scenes felt long enough as is.
The only thing that felt weird and out of place in M4's edit were the Orcs. They come out of nowhere, without explanation. Seeing them become the main villains at the climax made no sense. But M4 was trying to have a very book-accurate film, and the Orcs don't appear at all in the book, so I guess he did his best with what he was aiming for.
Very interesting! And that truncated feeling may be because of me wanting certain things from the adaptation - I think with The Hobbit in particular, there are so many different fan-edits out there that what it really comes down to are the choices the editor makes as far as which scenes to include and which to remove. M4’s edit continually gets talked about as one of the best.
It might be interesting to revisit the edits to come to a definitive “this is the best” decision.
Either way, I’m glad you enjoyed it!
That's my one small gripe with the M4 edit as well. Still, there are a couple of elements foreshadowing the coming of the Orcs throughout the movie:
- Orc sounds before the Company enters Goblintown
- The Warg chase after Goblintown and again before Mirkwood
- Gandalf seeing the symbol of the Eye of Sauron in Mirkwood and deciding to leave the Company because of it; and then of course returning right before the Battle of the Five Armies
But that's about it. To be fair, this is a shortcoming of the source material as well. The battle feels quite random because we don't know about anything that's going on beyond Bilbo's perspective. I can't fault the editor for this: they had nothing good to work with that could have set up the Orc army's arrival without re-introducing the (IMO unnecessary) Azog plotline at least partially. I think this is as good as it gets if you're sticking to the book as closely as possible.
I’ve been so busy lately that I haven’t had the time to go back and watch them. And there’s just so much you can do, like you said!
@@MetallicAddict15 You get it! I like your analysis. There's also another very minor hint I kept, Beorn mysteriously tells Gandalf about Orcs and how "their numbers are growing..." when they're in his lodge. But still, while these hints are "enough" to explain the existence of Orcs to the audience so it's not a foreign concept, it is not enough to explain *why* there's so many marching towards the mountain. Balin does introduce this idea that "every soul in Middle Earth will know, the dragon is dead," which I like, and the Azog marching scene does hint at the audience why they're going, but it would be better to have some more set up before this happens. Maybe a scene with Beorn and Gandalf talking about the Orcs more in detail, and then when Gandalf sees the red eye there could be an audio flashback to something from that conversation. It would also help his disappearance.
In the book the army came mostly to get revenge for the death of the Goblin king, but I think that's too far fetched in a fan edit so that's why I like shifting it to them just wanting to capture Erebor. Same for Gandalf's disappearance, technically he went to fight off the Necromancer in the book, but in the movie you can skip that and instead tie in his disappearance to the Orc army
@@MetallicAddict15 i think that goes to, at least partially, show why the azog plotline was in the films apart from just making them longer
This is my absolute favorite fan edit. I think it's about as close to a perfect book edit as we will see given the material available. I do hope it gets the UHD treatment someday though!
I’d thought that the Maple Films’ version was my favorite, but SO many have said that this one’s their favorite. Gonna have to give it another watch!
@@order42show I prefer the M4 cut - it's certainly the most book-faithful of the several fan edits I've watched and flows very well in my opinion. As I recall it, the Maple Films cut had a few jarring scene transitions and left in a few things that I'd rather see gone, whereas I thought the transitions in the M4 cut were pretty seamless. However, even though some of the backstory and expanded material that was filmed didn't fit into a good book adaptation, that stuff was too enjoyable and too pretty to just be discarded. Therefore I personally would recommend watching the M4 cut in conjunction with the Maple Films short feature "Durin's Folk and the Hill of Sorcery", which takes much of this material and weaves it into a coherent hour-long narrative which stands on its own as an interesting side story.
Just watched this edit, the cuts for me were unnoticeable, it's almost perfect, the only thing that bugged me was it removed the part where Bilbo whimpered during Thorin's death because i actually think that is what made the scene more heart wrenching.
I’ve had so many people say that it’s the gold standard for Hobbit fan-edits, and I can’t argue with that. Glad you enjoyed it!
I just finished watching it and I was very impressed. I especially liked the subtle changes to the lighting in some scenes and the digital effects used to remove the liquid gold from Smaug and Bard using his son to aim the black arrow.
I wasn't a huge fan of the intermission and some cuts felt a little too abrupt, but otherwise this will likely be the way I'll be revisiting the films from now on. I always knew there was a good film in there somewhere.
Yeah, I think M4’s is probably the most complete and satisfying version of the movies. Really glad you liked it!
I have to agree with the most people here that this is the best edit, based on the book, i've seen so far. Very profesional work in every aspect, tons of passion from the creator and an excellent outcome. Strongly recomended!
Thanks - yes, it is very good! Still need to find time to watch it again.
@@order42show M4's most recent and final update for this edit was in March 2022. I really recommend getting this version.
Appreciate that - I wasn’t aware (or didn’t remember) that he’d updated it. I’ll check it out!
@@NimbusAngelo I've downloaded it about a week ago, so i guess i saw the ''final cut''. Which is as i said above!
Nice - yeah, I didn’t realize that there’d been a “final” version released. I should check it out!
This is by far the best film to book edit and makes the 3 movies seamless.
Hey, do you think Dustin Lee's/Maple's or M4's The Hobbit fan-edit is the best? I am stuck between the two?
I’ll say this - of all the ones I’d seen, they’re the two that worked the best for me. I feel like the Maple/Dustin Lee version is my favorite because it’s a bit closer to the book, but it’s HIGHLY subjective.
@@order42show I think the maple films' one is the best of all the edits out there as well, but wait, isn't M4's closer to the book, or am I recalling wrong?
I think they both are really close. Now you’re making me second guess myself! But, I thought Maple’s takes out a bit more than M4’s - I think there were things I’d wished were taken out. They’re both so good that most people wouldn’t notice the difference.
@@order42show Indeed, indeed, but if you were to choose - think about this for real, I am actually not sure yet even though it looks like I decided in the earlier comment above - between the two best hobbit fan-edits out there, Dustin's or M4's, which one would it be? Thoughts? Which is the best of the best? We here are trying to come to a decision and find out which of them is the go-to The Hobbit fan-edit to watch everytime before a The Lord of the Rings watchthrough, meaning the OVERALL best The Hobbit film adapataion of the book, The Hobbit...I am actually repeating myself here. Shortly said: which of these 2 hobbit fan edits, which are the best ones out there, is the best one, do you think? Have been researching a lot, about these two, other edits and other stuff etc.
this edit made me like the hobbit
Yeah, I heard he actually updated the edit - pumped to watch it!
Solid video! It’s kind if heartening that instead of abandoning The Hobbit films, fan editors apply their own visions to make more book-faithful versions, and making them more coherent as films. That’s different to how I felt back in 2015, when earlier edits used pirated footage which I took umbrage against.
The one fan edit I have watched the most and would personally swear by are the Chris Hartwell cuts. The focus on Bilbo and Thorin, removal of unwanted comedic and action beats, the escalation from light-hearted adventure to more serious fantasy war film is clearer, and improved pacing was revelatory. Even though the trilogy structure is still in place, these edits make these films into the ONLY versions of the trilogy that should exist. Having said that, I still need to watch the M4 Edit for that purer book-to-film experience, which should also be an option for fans.
It’s so strange though - part of the reason why there’s so many (and there are a LOT) is because people don’t always agree on what should be left in and what should be taken out. My biggest issue is that you only have the extended version to work with - it’s not like you can insert new footage, you know?
It’s cool that you found one you like! I recently reread The Hobbit and became even more impressed with M4’s edit and Maple Films’ version. (I’ve also done a LOT of Hobbit videos, so I’m almost Hobbit-ed out!)
@@order42show Thanks for the reply! One other thing is for sure at least, fans will ultimately rally to elevate productions they feel had potential and just missed the mark. That's more than can be said for... other movies and/or shows.
That’s true - they are born out of a love for the series. But you know…i keep thinking - if Lord of the Rings hadn’t come out first - would the general audience have fallen in love with the world the same way?
As much as I loved this edit, I feel some later edits that turn this into a TV show with 50 min episodes works slightly better. But this was my first ever fanedit and I absolutely loved it.
Battle of the five edits is my go-to currently
I agree - the Five Edits is a really fun way to watch it!
This edit should be called "M4's Peter Jackson's J.R.R. Tolkien's The Hobbit." It absolutely is the definitive fan edit of Jackson's adaptation of Tolkien's The Hobbit. Only version I watch anymore.
Best title. It is really good!
@@order42show Coming back here, I'm flattered by all the nice comments, but I have heard the feedback! Will be releasing an update within the next month or so that I think most will enjoy. Mainly, Laketown destruction and the secret door scene have been redone so they're not quite so truncated, and I took another stab at Ravenhill.
Awesome! It’ll be fun to revisit it!
Although…I do feel that something called the “M4 Edit” should be just that! As long as it’s your vision, I’m all for it. I wouldn’t make changes to satisfy others - hope that makes sense.
Would love to see this someday. Middle Earth is my alltime go to fantasy series. I have all of Tolkiens books.
You should! The edit itself is great!
@@order42show where would i find it?
If you search “m4 hobbit edit”, click the first link, then scroll all the way to the bottom to see all of the versions you can download.
@@order42show thanks.
Seems the site has been taken down. Does anyone have a mirror at all?
Oh, wow, it appears Warner Bros made him take it down. It’s probably still out there somewhere, just have to find it.
So what’s your favorite Hobbit Fan Edit ??
I feel like I need to watch M4’s and Maple Films’ again. Originally I said Maple’s…but it’s such a subjective thing. I’ve enjoyed all of them for different reasons, so it’s hard to say “THIS one is the one”, you know?
You have got to see Fiona Van Dahl's fan edit. She used the cartoon as a way to structure the films and personally i think it turned out the best. (its also the shortest) Personally If i am not watching the original films the way PJ did them, I am watching Fiona's edit.
That’s a pretty glowing review! I’ll put it on the list!
@@order42show certain things that she added, such as The sacking of Dale into the Misty Mountains Cold song was really clever!
You can find it here
I didn’t see the link, but that’s ok - sure I can find it!
Great vid
Hey, thank you so much!
The Chris Hartwell edit is the best I've seen to date
I don’t know if I’ve seen his edit. There’s just been SO many Hobbit edits that it’d be impossible to watch them all (at least for me).
Sounds great and I would love to see it but I’m having trouble finding where to watch it…
If you do a search for “M4 hobbit edit” in your search engine of choice, there’s a “Github Pages” site where everything can be found. 👍🏻
@@order42showthank you very much :) 👍
is there a way to get a physical copy?
I don’t think so - it’s a real slippery slope with fan-edits. I’d like to think I’m pretty tech savvy, but I don’t even have a good burner anymore! You might try digging into your search engines to see if anyone does it - I’m just not aware.
Have you ever considered reviewing Star Wars edits?
Sure…but there’s just SO many!
@@order42show Fair. Not to sound biased or anything but I made one that, in my honest opinion, stands out from the others as it’s an idea few have even attempted and no one has attempted like this. For the most part it’s the original trilogy as one consistent movie about Luke and Vader while also showing the parallels to Anakin. Think “The Godfather 2 in Star Wars”
If you’re interested, you can check it out via the trailer on my channel (should be what pops up when the channel’s opened). Feel free to shoot me an email or anything. I really enjoy these reviews and would love to have my work featured in one
Thanks! I’ll check it out!
Definitely looks interesting. Downloading now!
Does anyone sell the physical bluray discs if this?
Not that I’m aware of, but…it’s illegal to charge for fan-edits. It’s a slippery slope to begin with, just them being available.
@@order42show I don't have the technical knownhow to do it myself. Maybe someone will do it and charge me for the labour rather than the product
Oh, I get what you’re saying - I’m just not aware of what you’d do there. I’m guessing you’d have to ask around on forums.
Link please
The link to M4’s original site is in the description - not sure if the links are still active anymore.
@@order42show talking about the google drive link for the fan edit movie
@@raihyrick5609 Google "where to watch m4 hobbit cut" then look for the first reddit and click, scroll down and someone was kind enough to leave the link and you can download to your phone or computer, hope that helps.
@@greengrugach1984 I found a different fan edit that’s far better than this one
@@raihyrick5609 could you possibly name it? I'm trying to find the best possible one.
The only thing in the fan edit I would have cut was thorin not immediately going out to the war when it started. Other than that I thought this fan edit was a little choppy but soooo much better than the originals.
It’s been a while since I watched it, but I just remember being so impressed with the actual visual changes that just streamlined a lot of the scenes (like Bard/Smaug). I don’t know if everyone will agree on which is the best, but it definitely is up there as one of the best.
So where can we see this fan edit? Is it on UA-cam? Is it for free? I've been searching for it on youtube and I can't get anything other than just reviews. I would love to see this version of the final melting down of smelting and refining of the initial product I like the first movie great second movie not so much 3rd movie I hated it it was just wrong nothing went according to the books I did not like Toriel I did not like a Legolas being in the movie I did not like the mayor so much as I disliked Alfred Alfred was completely made up character just electoral frankly they should add those two fall in love and then freak off out of the movie. I didn't like the fact that they showed us the entire battle of the five honorees of her over 6 hours or ever how many hours it was the extended version google gets knocked out about a third of the way through the battle and he wasn't even near Thorin or any of the doors he was off on one of the hills Raven Hill guarding the flank he put on the ring got knocked on the head and was invisible and unconscious for hours Until somebody actually happened to start calling his name he woke up and took off the ring he said oh I'm here i'm here so we never did see what happened in the battle he was not unconscious and I liked it liked it I liked the ambiguity of not knowing what happened until he found out the 3rd helium feeling had been killed and how they were somewhat say their bodies were saved By Bjorn. that Dane was now kingdom of the mountain the other thing that I hated about the Peter Jackson films is that glamouring and orcrest were also Elvin Blaze that were supposed to glow blue I just like sting and they did not add that to any of the movies It was stupid it was lore that should have been left in the movies Every album blade that came out of gondolin should have glowed blue that was their nature they were supposed to alert the elves that they were orchestra round they were designed to cut through the thick webs of Angolans children the same children that we found in Sheila the same children that we found in the spiders of Merckwood who were I believe she loves children Or at least closely related to her. just pet peeves mind about the movie other than that I like the first movie was good it created the right atmosphere for the movie I didn't like the stuff with Rattagas too much I mean it didn't mind it but it was happy about it same thing with the White Council stuff was okay and then I'm going to Galdo Gore shouldn't have been shown I know they wanted to get Christopher Lee and him Mckellen and Kate pledge it together again along with Keego weaving to revise their roles and it was cool but it wasn't seen in the book it wasn't until later in The Hobbit I mean the Lord of the Rings we found out what happened at the Council of Arron or I think maybe Gandalf told Frodo when he was talking about the Lord of the Ren to him at what happened with Gollum and so on and so forth but we didn't see the moon in the book we heard about it we heard that something happened but we didn't know what at the time Just a kind of kind of go away for a while and that he would be back before the end. and the barred with the Black Arrow whoever said the arrow was made of iron iron is black but doesn't have to be that thick be much thinner lighter I just painted black maybe the tip was black who knows but I didn't like the fact that it was a huge bolt of firing off of ballista that bothered me a lot Cause it wasn't described that way by Tolkien In the book. and he wasn't on the top of a tower to shoot it smoke he shot from the ground I wish one of the aspects of the above bar that he would have played up was the fact that he seemed to be reluctant participant in the Battle of the five armies to begin with Was him enthralled and thorough just the three of them interacting trying to figure out how we're going to vote up the spoils of smaug's treasure Because some did belong to Dale some did belong to Thranduel the gems were theirs they should have gotten them back and the rest should have been long to the dwarfs it was a nice text by below to do the architecture for his 114th part of the share of the fall treasure I mean you get a miserable crook coat out of it you got a small chest of gold a small chest of silver and maybe whatever could have been salvaged from the troll horde on the way back to Hobbiton because there were more swords there were more jewels and treasures and stuff like that gold that the trolls had found that had some have been taken and the rest was buried by I believe Ballin and Wallen and some of the other dwarfs before they left.
The link to M4’s edit is in the description. You can also just put “m4 hobbit edit” into your search engine.
He shouldn't have cut the stone giants
Oh, you like those? In the book, it seems more like a metaphor, not a literal “stone giants were fighting” sort of thing. I think it is cool-looking, but I can see why he cut it out. To each their own!
@@order42show I don't disagree that in the book it's slightly ambiguous if they are literal, but going by the literal letter of the book should cause them to remain.
Well, that’s the great thing about fan-edits, right? Like…people leave in and take out what they wish. I don’t know if there will ever be a definitive edit of these movies, but it’s fun to see all these different takes.