I should have mentioned "Harmy's Despecialized Editions" of the original Star Wars Trilogy. Those are, to me, one of the "gold standards" of a fan edit. Those attempt to preserve, to the best of their ability, the original versions of the Star Wars Trilogy using a variety of elements, like the Blu-Rays and original prints of the movies. Highly recommend those!
Thanks for that! Yeah, I’m by no means an expert, but I do enjoy the world he created, and am slowly but surely making my way through everything, and there’s a LOT. Just wonderful stuff!
I've watched the first half of the hobbit fan edit and it is 100x better than the official cut. It is like the visualisation of the book that i expected from the trilogy but didn't get. It is much closer to lotr quality with this edit and it looks professionally edited.
(if I make some language mistake forgive me, I am italian) I have a very specific thought about fanedit and the hobbit trilogy. Speaking of fanedit, I've spent months working on a fanedit about the hobbit, and I can say I'm very proud of the result, but when I finally sat down to watch it ... I couldn't. Why? because i was no longer looking at peter jackson's hobbit, i was looking at what i wanted the hobbit to be, in my version kili dies alone, beorn never appears, and although i think i managed to make everything work very naturally, it didn't seem right to me, I had changed the vision of a director, a director to whom I am particularly attached. At that moment I realized that for me, fanedits that modify the essence and meaning of a film do not interest me, (even if they are superior to the original film); However, some time later I found a video on youtube : "how i fixed the hobbit" by chris hartwell. in my opinion what hartwell did with his fanedit was not only right, but also necessary. He shares my exact thoughts on the hobbit: a trilogy full of jackson's talent, with a wonderful main story in terms of directing, acting and writing ... but sadly damaged by an incredible number of fillers: extremely elongated fights for no reason. , a plot, (dol goldur), which adds nothing to the story of our main character, bilbo, many scenes that if removed from the film do not in any way invalidate the story, but rather, their presence makes the evolution of the characters and the narrative focus more lame. What hartwell did, was taking the jackson trilogy and make it better, but at the same time, It's the same exact story, tauriel is still there, yet it works extremely better, each movie flows better, the evolution of characters is better, bilbo and thorin's relationship makes now more sense in each of the three movies, I don't want to go too far, I just recommend his video, because for me that's what fanedits should aspire to: improve films that have had production problems, without altering their themes and characters. Honestly I hope that one day Jackson himself will do a re-edit like this. I conclude by saying that his reassembly is exceptional, and highlights all the talent of peter jackson, the video is this, to watch his version just send him an email, you will not regret it if you do it, and if you are not sure, take a look at the comments in his video: ua-cam.com/video/lRgx6gQ-kh0/v-deo.html
First, your English is excellent! I will say that while I agree with you that taking out the extraneous stuff can be nice, I think that a more ambitious editing could be really amazing! I know that it’s not a fan edit, but the new version of The Godfather III that Francis Ford Coppola did was an amazing way of taking existing footage, trimming the fat and reorganizing scenes to focus the theme of the story. While I don’t think that it’s leagues better than the original, I do appreciate that it does what he set out to do, which was to focus the story more on Michael Corleone. I’d definitely like to seek out this version as well! Thanks for the recommendation!
I consider this edit to be the true version. I miss Tauriel personally, but not the romance. Also, I think the Beorn introduction is a bit truncated, but it's serviceable and works. The final criticism I have is that I miss the battle with the white council, and it feel like Gandalf just leaves for no good reason, but if I remember the book right, that's kind of what happens anyway. To me, this is the definitive version of the Hobbit.
I really need like, 30 hours in the day! I’d like to watch this one and M4’s - I think those were my favorites, but I think it really depends on what you value, you know? But…if I remember, this one was the one that fit me the best, too!
Watch Durin’s Folk and the Hill of Sorcery. It’s edited by Maple Films and is a 1 hour short film about Gandalf’s “side quest” that was cut from the 4 hour version. I usually watch it after the intermission in the 4 hour version, and then continue on with the rest of the film
@@5517-j3q yeah, I have. There is some good stuff in these movies, just edited into the wrong format. The Hobbit is actually a pretty short book, and for kids. Little kids. Not that anyone can't enjoy it, but it's not meant to be consumed in a 9 hour + watch fest. I always thought of it as being 1 movie even though I read the book more than any other book I've ever owned.
Good discussion. One of my brothers literally walked out of the theater during the second Hobbit film. I gave him Maple Films edit on a thumb drive and he absolutely loved it. I would personally never have watched the Star Wars prequels again if not for fanedits, especially L8wrtr's. Now I watch them every year. The last time I did a Tolkien marathon I watched M4's The Hobbit, LotR extended films... then M4's The Hobbit again lol
Maple edit is the best one out there - It takes out the stuff we don't need but unlike other edits it does not cut too deep. Too many edits I think got carried away with cuts to the point of cutting too much...This one is great but if I was to improve on it then for me I would add both prologues for the first two movies back actually, I would add back Bilbo's hero scene defending Thorin against Azog when the eagles rescue them, and then I'd make a Radagast cut and a non-Radagast cut of the movies and make the Radagast cut the "Extended" version. It's too bad some scenes they had planned are not in... for example I'd add the acorn deleted scene but I wish they had finished Beorn defeating Bolg as a scene because I would add that in as well along with a few Thranduil deleted scenes of fighting and jewels that never got finished. Other than that this edit is honestly the one I could build on and work with the most.
I really like M4’s as well, but it’s just so subjective, isn’t it? I’ll also say though…I haven’t watched any version of the movies since I did this run of edit reviews, so…🤷🏻♂️
@@order42show It is subjective (and The Hobbit as it was definitely benefits from some editing to reduce the massive length) . However, I 've noticed some edits go too far for some and not enough to others but all edits have the same common ground with their cuts (for good reason) - The Tauriel and Kili love story, Legolas, Alfred, Radagast, and a lot of the Dol Goldur/Thrain/Bolg scenes ... I'm going to take the Maple cut and add some scenes back like Bilbo's hero scene at the pines and both prologues - I realize Ian Holm looks older in his prologue but the fall of Erebor opening was well done and having Ian Holm around to not only narrate but appear with Elijah Wood in a movie based on the character he established since Fellowship of the Ring was special to me - Too special to ever have his scene removed. I'm going to make an extended cut with Radagast scenes and one without - Some like him and I don't mind him... I'll have a non- Radagast edit and extended one with all his scenes back in from the edit I'll create using the Maple one as a base.
Thanks for showing how to find the fan edit. I never knew where to look for them. The Hobbit is definitely one I'm going to check out. I didn't like the Hobbit trilogy for all the reasons you and most critics have pointed out. Unfortunately I understand why they had to keep Azog in it, the ending focuses on them battling Azog more than the actual war (Which was also very annoying) So the ending would probably be a confusing mess if they completely cut him out.
Yeah, and unfortunately, due to the nature of fan-edits being a little bit on the grey side when it comes to copyright, sometimes they disappear. There’s a lot of great ones out there!
I was cool with some of the fan servicey stuff. Because I am a fan of LOTR, so seeing Frodo and Bilbo a few hours before Gandalf rolls into town for the long-expected party, just instantly feels like coming home. Seeing Legolas get more character moments, at least in theory, should be rewarding--he was my favourite character as a kid and as a teen I wished he had a love interest. Seeing Elrond and Galadriel and Gandalf all together is kinda epic too. But the problem is when some of these things get stretched too far... Adding Tauriel may have been okay, but making her prominent just to give her an awkward romance with a dwarf? NAH. Putting Legolas in there but also giving him ridiculous action (Shield surfing and Oliphant climbing is cool, Dwarf-head-jumping and running on top of gravity just looks silly) PASS. Spending too much time with all these plots and silly stuff... just a waste of my time.
if two people edit the same raw material it will turn out to be two completely different movies. And now we suddenly live at a time where anyone who has a computer can make their own edit. This is an entirely new and alien situation for us and no one knows how to handle it. Should it be legal? i dont know
It is a weird time, for sure! I honestly don’t know if any fan editor or site like fanedit.org has ever come under fire from any studio for it. From my perspective, there’s not one movie I’ve watched that I don’t have one or more copies of the movie that I’ve obtained…but, from what I can tell, it’s not even in the grey area. It is in every studio’s rights to go after fan editors, but, since this is such a niche thing, it doesn’t make sense for them because 1. They’d be prosecuting people without the money to fight it or make it worth it, and 2. In most cases, they’d be going after their most loyal fans. The kind of people that go so far as to do their own edit of a movie are fans of the original movie or property to such an extent that they want to make it even better. I think it would be a PR nightmare to go after editors. But…just because it’s not worth it for the studios to go after them…it doesn’t make it “right”, you know? Definitely an interesting conversation!
@@abnercliff9624 Go on Adam Dens youtube channel and enter his trailers. Look at the comments and you'll find mega links where you can download smaller or bigger files.
The Hobbit 2003 game and the MapleFilms Hobbit and by extension Durin's Folk and the Hill of Sorcery the best adaptations of the Hobbit in my opinion better than the 1977 Hobbit and the Peter Jackson's films The 2003 Hobbit game is so underrated as a telling of that story, captures all the magic and the soundtrack is incredible especially the main theme.
An interesting question. I’d say it depends on how long your finished product is. If it’s less than 4 hours, just one. More than 4, you could cut it in half to make it easier to digest. Of course, the Maple Films one was a bit over 4 hours and it was fine, so I think it really comes down to ending the first part at a good place. Do you already have a runtime of your edit?
I should have mentioned "Harmy's Despecialized Editions" of the original Star Wars Trilogy. Those are, to me, one of the "gold standards" of a fan edit. Those attempt to preserve, to the best of their ability, the original versions of the Star Wars Trilogy using a variety of elements, like the Blu-Rays and original prints of the movies. Highly recommend those!
I'm glad to hear another person who understands Tolkien! His worldbuilding, drama, characters, culture, etc will always be grander than his action.
Thanks for that! Yeah, I’m by no means an expert, but I do enjoy the world he created, and am slowly but surely making my way through everything, and there’s a LOT. Just wonderful stuff!
I've watched the first half of the hobbit fan edit and it is 100x better than the official cut. It is like the visualisation of the book that i expected from the trilogy but didn't get. It is much closer to lotr quality with this edit and it looks professionally edited.
Right! And there’s so many more out there…IIRC, this one was the one that worked the best for me.
(if I make some language mistake forgive me, I am italian)
I have a very specific thought about fanedit and the hobbit trilogy.
Speaking of fanedit, I've spent months working on a fanedit about the hobbit, and I can say I'm very proud of the result, but when I finally sat down to watch it ... I couldn't.
Why? because i was no longer looking at peter jackson's hobbit, i was looking at what i wanted the hobbit to be, in my version kili dies alone, beorn never appears, and although i think i managed to make everything work very naturally, it didn't seem right to me, I had changed the vision of a director, a director to whom I am particularly attached. At that moment I realized that for me, fanedits that modify the essence and meaning of a film do not interest me, (even if they are superior to the original film);
However, some time later I found a video on youtube : "how i fixed the hobbit" by chris hartwell.
in my opinion what hartwell did with his fanedit was not only right, but also necessary.
He shares my exact thoughts on the hobbit: a trilogy full of jackson's talent, with a wonderful main story in terms of directing, acting and writing ... but sadly damaged by an incredible number of fillers: extremely elongated fights for no reason. , a plot, (dol goldur), which adds nothing to the story of our main character, bilbo, many scenes that if removed from the film do not in any way invalidate the story, but rather, their presence makes the evolution of the characters and the narrative focus more lame.
What hartwell did, was taking the jackson trilogy and make it better, but at the same time, It's the same exact story, tauriel is still there, yet it works extremely better, each movie flows better, the evolution of characters is better, bilbo and thorin's relationship makes now more sense in each of the three movies, I don't want to go too far, I just recommend his video, because for me that's what fanedits should aspire to: improve films that have had production problems, without altering their themes and characters.
Honestly I hope that one day Jackson himself will do a re-edit like this.
I conclude by saying that his reassembly is exceptional, and highlights all the talent of peter jackson, the video is this, to watch his version just send him an email, you will not regret it if you do it, and if you are not sure, take a look at the comments in his video:
ua-cam.com/video/lRgx6gQ-kh0/v-deo.html
First, your English is excellent!
I will say that while I agree with you that taking out the extraneous stuff can be nice, I think that a more ambitious editing could be really amazing! I know that it’s not a fan edit, but the new version of The Godfather III that Francis Ford Coppola did was an amazing way of taking existing footage, trimming the fat and reorganizing scenes to focus the theme of the story. While I don’t think that it’s leagues better than the original, I do appreciate that it does what he set out to do, which was to focus the story more on Michael Corleone.
I’d definitely like to seek out this version as well! Thanks for the recommendation!
I consider this edit to be the true version. I miss Tauriel personally, but not the romance. Also, I think the Beorn introduction is a bit truncated, but it's serviceable and works. The final criticism I have is that I miss the battle with the white council, and it feel like Gandalf just leaves for no good reason, but if I remember the book right, that's kind of what happens anyway.
To me, this is the definitive version of the Hobbit.
I really need like, 30 hours in the day! I’d like to watch this one and M4’s - I think those were my favorites, but I think it really depends on what you value, you know? But…if I remember, this one was the one that fit me the best, too!
Watch Durin’s Folk and the Hill of Sorcery. It’s edited by Maple Films and is a 1 hour short film about Gandalf’s “side quest” that was cut from the 4 hour version. I usually watch it after the intermission in the 4 hour version, and then continue on with the rest of the film
@@5517-j3q yeah, I have. There is some good stuff in these movies, just edited into the wrong format. The Hobbit is actually a pretty short book, and for kids. Little kids. Not that anyone can't enjoy it, but it's not meant to be consumed in a 9 hour + watch fest. I always thought of it as being 1 movie even though I read the book more than any other book I've ever owned.
I said the same until I saw M4's edit and it's somehow even better. Both brilliant but M4 is what I watch every time now.
Good discussion. One of my brothers literally walked out of the theater during the second Hobbit film. I gave him Maple Films edit on a thumb drive and he absolutely loved it. I would personally never have watched the Star Wars prequels again if not for fanedits, especially L8wrtr's. Now I watch them every year. The last time I did a Tolkien marathon I watched M4's The Hobbit, LotR extended films... then M4's The Hobbit again lol
Yeah, M4’s is really good, too. I’d need to watch all of them again to really figure it out, but honestly, I’m kind of Hobbit-ed out!
Maple edit is the best one out there - It takes out the stuff we don't need but unlike other edits it does not cut too deep. Too many edits I think got carried away with cuts to the point of cutting too much...This one is great but if I was to improve on it then for me I would add both prologues for the first two movies back actually, I would add back Bilbo's hero scene defending Thorin against Azog when the eagles rescue them, and then I'd make a Radagast cut and a non-Radagast cut of the movies and make the Radagast cut the "Extended" version. It's too bad some scenes they had planned are not in... for example I'd add the acorn deleted scene but I wish they had finished Beorn defeating Bolg as a scene because I would add that in as well along with a few Thranduil deleted scenes of fighting and jewels that never got finished. Other than that this edit is honestly the one I could build on and work with the most.
I really like M4’s as well, but it’s just so subjective, isn’t it? I’ll also say though…I haven’t watched any version of the movies since I did this run of edit reviews, so…🤷🏻♂️
@@order42show It is subjective (and The Hobbit as it was definitely benefits from some editing to reduce the massive length) . However, I 've noticed some edits go too far for some and not enough to others but all edits have the same common ground with their cuts (for good reason) - The Tauriel and Kili love story, Legolas, Alfred, Radagast, and a lot of the Dol Goldur/Thrain/Bolg scenes ... I'm going to take the Maple cut and add some scenes back like Bilbo's hero scene at the pines and both prologues - I realize Ian Holm looks older in his prologue but the fall of Erebor opening was well done and having Ian Holm around to not only narrate but appear with Elijah Wood in a movie based on the character he established since Fellowship of the Ring was special to me - Too special to ever have his scene removed. I'm going to make an extended cut with Radagast scenes and one without - Some like him and I don't mind him... I'll have a non- Radagast edit and extended one with all his scenes back in from the edit I'll create using the Maple one as a base.
Thanks for showing how to find the fan edit. I never knew where to look for them. The Hobbit is definitely one I'm going to check out. I didn't like the Hobbit trilogy for all the reasons you and most critics have pointed out. Unfortunately I understand why they had to keep Azog in it, the ending focuses on them battling Azog more than the actual war (Which was also very annoying) So the ending would probably be a confusing mess if they completely cut him out.
Yeah, and unfortunately, due to the nature of fan-edits being a little bit on the grey side when it comes to copyright, sometimes they disappear. There’s a lot of great ones out there!
I was cool with some of the fan servicey stuff. Because I am a fan of LOTR, so seeing Frodo and Bilbo a few hours before Gandalf rolls into town for the long-expected party, just instantly feels like coming home. Seeing Legolas get more character moments, at least in theory, should be rewarding--he was my favourite character as a kid and as a teen I wished he had a love interest. Seeing Elrond and Galadriel and Gandalf all together is kinda epic too. But the problem is when some of these things get stretched too far... Adding Tauriel may have been okay, but making her prominent just to give her an awkward romance with a dwarf? NAH. Putting Legolas in there but also giving him ridiculous action (Shield surfing and Oliphant climbing is cool, Dwarf-head-jumping and running on top of gravity just looks silly) PASS. Spending too much time with all these plots and silly stuff... just a waste of my time.
Spice-diver's Alternate Version Redux edit of David Lynch's Dune is an amazing edit from multiple sources. Check it out.
Ooh, interesting! I’ll see if I can track it down!
Tada!!!
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if two people edit the same raw material it will turn out to be two completely different movies. And now we suddenly live at a time where anyone who has a computer can make their own edit. This is an entirely new and alien situation for us and no one knows how to handle it. Should it be legal? i dont know
It is a weird time, for sure!
I honestly don’t know if any fan editor or site like fanedit.org has ever come under fire from any studio for it. From my perspective, there’s not one movie I’ve watched that I don’t have one or more copies of the movie that I’ve obtained…but, from what I can tell, it’s not even in the grey area. It is in every studio’s rights to go after fan editors, but, since this is such a niche thing, it doesn’t make sense for them because
1. They’d be prosecuting people without the money to fight it or make it worth it, and
2. In most cases, they’d be going after their most loyal fans. The kind of people that go so far as to do their own edit of a movie are fans of the original movie or property to such an extent that they want to make it even better.
I think it would be a PR nightmare to go after editors. But…just because it’s not worth it for the studios to go after them…it doesn’t make it “right”, you know? Definitely an interesting conversation!
It should definitely be allowed. In my non legal opinion it falls under fair use because it's transformative.
The Hobbit fan edits improve the movie drastically. I don't even watch original Peter Jackson cut.
They really really do. I own the originals (in fact...two versions, I think!) but this one, M4's edit...really good stuff!
Watch Adam Dens fan-edit. It's two 3h long films.
Yep, looking on fanedit.org, it looks like the highest rated Hobbit fan edit on there. I’ll check it out!
@@order42show It is quite good and my personal choice. It is very similat to LOTR films.
Finally found a copy of Dens' version - I'll be watching it in the next couple of days and hope to do a review on it. Thanks for the suggestion!
How do I find this
@@abnercliff9624 Go on Adam Dens youtube channel and enter his trailers. Look at the comments and you'll find mega links where you can download smaller or bigger files.
I think it's very cool that you stopped and thought about how you would feel in Evangeline Lilly's situation. A good exercise in empathy!
Well, I mean, I think a lot of people forget that people have feelings, you know? I don’t know if I’d appreciate someone completely removing my work…
@@order42show Same. I definitely could have done without that love story, but it sure isn't Miss Lilly's fault.
Very true!
The Hobbit 2003 game and the MapleFilms Hobbit and by extension Durin's Folk and the Hill of Sorcery the best adaptations of the Hobbit in my opinion better than the 1977 Hobbit and the Peter Jackson's films
The 2003 Hobbit game is so underrated as a telling of that story, captures all the magic and the soundtrack is incredible especially the main theme.
I would like to make my own cut of The Hobbit should I make it?
I mean, why not? Could be a lot of fun!
Should I make it one film or two films? Of the hobbit fan edit
An interesting question. I’d say it depends on how long your finished product is. If it’s less than 4 hours, just one. More than 4, you could cut it in half to make it easier to digest. Of course, the Maple Films one was a bit over 4 hours and it was fine, so I think it really comes down to ending the first part at a good place. Do you already have a runtime of your edit?
@@order42show not yet
Well, I wish you luck! I’d love to hear your progress!
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Too wordy & repetitive. Tighten up and focus.