Love this series, it’s one of my favorites by you (or anyone). Really helps give a deeper understanding of the mechanics behind a team, and I love that you specifically address not only what teams you can counter, but also what to watch out for as a reverse counter. Knowing what matters and what doesn’t for a a team to pop can also help make informed decisions as to trade-offs, for those of us who don’t have all god-tier mods/have to budget our resources more tightly. One suggestion for your speed formula notation to clean it up a a little (using the same variable for different values could be confusing): Fastest Trooper + 20 = X X * 0.8 = Y Y - 20 = Z (speed of next fastest trooper) Or you could combine and simplify the above as follows: St = ((Ft + 20) * 0.8) - 20 St = 0.8Ft + 16 - 20 St = 0.8Ft - 4 Where ‘Ft’ is the base speed of your fastest trooper (not accounting for the Veers leadership boost) and ‘St’ is the base speed of your second trooper.
One request - it would be awesome if you also speak to 3v3 comps and strategies (maybe that would be better for another series entirely since these faction essentials are already usually ~30 minutes)!! I actually prefer 3v3 as a lower level roster (2.5M gp), I feel like it gives those of us with incomplete teams a lot more flexibility and variety which I find fun.
Thanks, X. I love my Troopers but really have gotten lazy in terms of knowing their kits intimately / speeding them correctly. A BIG problem many fall into is just trying to special ability / AOE things whenever they're available and with this team, as you pointed out against DR squads, just using basic for awhile at the beginning while choosing the right opponent is EVERYTHING. Thanks again.
Xaereth, thank you so much for everything you do. You are really changing my perception of the game. Since I started watching you, i've been thinking way much more strategically, trying to look for better mods, but it's hard! Lol. I never put that much attention to mods until I stumbled upon you. Thank you so much. If it's not much to ask, could you do a faction essentials of mandalorians? I'm trying to set them up in defense and i've been having a hard time thinking who to put instead of the armorer (i have her, but i want to keep her to baby sit see if possible). cheers man, happy holidays, and keep up the excellent work.
I get alot of joy watching troopers smack around Darth Revan. My trooper mods are good, everyone else needs to be re modded desperately. I'm addicted to your mod vids! 👍
Thank you! I was modded all wrong, including a CD set on Dark Trooper. Lol. Last several GACs opponents are putting DR under a Maul lead. 20% TM gain start of battle. IT can rarely outrace at that point. Suggestions? Or is this simply a solid counter?
I recently got some troopers reliced for my see journey and was wondering what my other two toons should be and the modding. Will have to get range and dark trooper starred and geared soon, but I kinda figured out the speed order by some miracle lol. Is a low gear Gideon and stormtrooper any good for a sub? I've been trying to use them for now but Gideon is the only one who seems to get any use and even then it's questionable whether his control the situation helps or hurts the team more lol
I'll do it until You won't get the reference. ;) BTW - are You still aware that liking comments and discussions in the comment area mounts the algorithm quite good? ;)
Thank U for this video. Your understanding of this game is awesome. I followed your guide. But sometimes it seems like they are all full on TM and it becomes random who takes a turn. Does Piets buff give 20 or 40% tm.?
Late to the vid but for the algo, I figured I'd ask anyways, Isn't there a cpit comp that needs Gideon? I got all the troopers from the SEE journey and am currently working on building most of the others to have on hand for every game mode. But in specific I really wanted to get a cpit team ready since i lack the GL's to contend there.
I needed this. I'm getting ready to work on these guys soon. Thanks for another great video. My wife asked me the other day if I knew why she was subscribed to a "Xaereth Prevails"? I told her we were helping mount the algorithm. She says "well ok then". Side note/question. You did a video on what relic level to put characters at. What level would you put Royal Guard at? He wasn't in that video. Thanks
@@trodatQ. I'm filling out my core squads first. But with my roster, SEE will be my first GL. Probably start making a push for him in the next few months
I'll be interested to see if the future scout trooper that (hopefully) will eventually come to the game will sllt on with troopers or imperial remmants.
And WHY may you start your landing? Because General Veers is an absolute Boss of an officer! Been my opinion since about the time the movie first came out
This game won't be complete without Admiral Ozzel! So what if he came out of Hyperdrive too close to Hoth... ? He was a great character and probably gave cinema the best choke ever!
I am thinking aboout building a second Imperial troopers team, with Gidion lead (and he has some specific requirements for his underlings class) How would you split the troopers to 2 teams?
Replace either Dark Trooper or Starck withMagmatrooper under Veers lead. Mark Magma Trooper with Piett's unique which gives an non-removable debuff (it also stacks per team turn) Magma Trooper unique gives 70% turn meter per debuff and/or buff. Now combine it with Veers leader ability and Pietts unique....alot of turn meter
Once thing that doesn't make sense to me here is the speed calcs. So #1 is gonna be 340-360 speed, #2 is gonna be 80% of that so 272-288, #3 is gonna be #1 speed - 20 so 320-360? But that's always gonna make #3 faster than #2
I just LOVE my Troopers! Don't have Dark T sadly enough (top of my wishlist!), but do have Snow T who has a very nice Unique as well (ST gains 30% tm when any unit is defeated, other Empire gain half, and some crit for all imps). Give me always 4/4 in TB and it give me a lot of laughs in GAC when they crush some very decent teams XD I just can't live whitout my Troopers! Maybe my fav squad in the whole game..
According to your math, my starck needs to be 260 speed. But then I don't see how I would outrun a DR. Piett: 330 + 20 from Lead = 350 Starck 300 + 20 from lead = 320 First move from Piett gives 30% tm to starck (first stack he gains when he gets a turn, second when he uses the ability and third 10% due to offense up) Range unique is only 50% so I won't take the possible stack he would give me into consideration 350-320 = 30 30% of 30 = 9 So DR shouldn't be faster than 329 then if starck is 300.
Speed really doesn't come into play here besides starting turn order. All about that TM gain, which has nothing to do with speed. And, you do use his AOE against DR :-)
@@thehydracarbon2773 I did it in my most recent, feel free to check it out. That said, good insight. Death can daze or deathmark the marauder, since high-end guilds will have tankier marauders. Unsure if you were trying to help, but this was helpful all the same, thanks! Edit: based on your past comments, it looks like you're just a troll. All good, we can still learn things from trolls at times. It's not too late though, seems like maybe you have some wisdom to offer. I'm (genuinely) rooting for that to happen :-)
@@Xaereth I tried that comp twice and lost twice and my team is clocked and properly modded. I think the team you faced had weak mods or that bast is super slow or marauder was low health (can't tell from the video)... anytime I had a DR hit me like in your example, the match was an instant loss like 5 seconds later, so I think your outcome is not going to be reliable or was a fluke because of a mod mismatch... either way, just saying I have not had the same experience. take it or leave it.
@@Xaereth wow thx for the quick response...u jus earned a sub..n thx yea I'm a new player n jus run iden,stark,magma,snow,n storm..I'm only lv 79...but I got them all at 7* g8 except iden 6*...
I love how you keep doing the "wooooow we're in the game", makes me laugh every time 🤣
It's getting more funny every time
Me too, makes me chuckle!!!! Minor correction, it’s not wow we’re in the game, it’s whoa we’re in the game…..
Same!
I do it with him most of the times. Just wooohing at my laptop :p
Yeah it is magical everytime
Love this series, it’s one of my favorites by you (or anyone). Really helps give a deeper understanding of the mechanics behind a team, and I love that you specifically address not only what teams you can counter, but also what to watch out for as a reverse counter. Knowing what matters and what doesn’t for a a team to pop can also help make informed decisions as to trade-offs, for those of us who don’t have all god-tier mods/have to budget our resources more tightly.
One suggestion for your speed formula notation to clean it up a a little (using the same variable for different values could be confusing):
Fastest Trooper + 20 = X
X * 0.8 = Y
Y - 20 = Z (speed of next fastest trooper)
Or you could combine and simplify the above as follows:
St = ((Ft + 20) * 0.8) - 20
St = 0.8Ft + 16 - 20
St = 0.8Ft - 4
Where ‘Ft’ is the base speed of your fastest trooper (not accounting for the Veers leadership boost) and ‘St’ is the base speed of your second trooper.
One request - it would be awesome if you also speak to 3v3 comps and strategies (maybe that would be better for another series entirely since these faction essentials are already usually ~30 minutes)!!
I actually prefer 3v3 as a lower level roster (2.5M gp), I feel like it gives those of us with incomplete teams a lot more flexibility and variety which I find fun.
Your insight into the game and how to is great. My guild appreciates it
Thanks, X. I love my Troopers but really have gotten lazy in terms of knowing their kits intimately / speeding them correctly. A BIG problem many fall into is just trying to special ability / AOE things whenever they're available and with this team, as you pointed out against DR squads, just using basic for awhile at the beginning while choosing the right opponent is EVERYTHING. Thanks again.
Xaereth, thank you so much for everything you do. You are really changing my perception of the game. Since I started watching you, i've been thinking way much more strategically, trying to look for better mods, but it's hard! Lol. I never put that much attention to mods until I stumbled upon you. Thank you so much.
If it's not much to ask, could you do a faction essentials of mandalorians? I'm trying to set them up in defense and i've been having a hard time thinking who to put instead of the armorer (i have her, but i want to keep her to baby sit see if possible).
cheers man, happy holidays, and keep up the excellent work.
I get alot of joy watching troopers smack around Darth Revan. My trooper mods are good, everyone else needs to be re modded desperately. I'm addicted to your mod vids! 👍
“You are now in command Admiral Piett”
Just getting around to building up my Imp troopers because of your videos talking about how well they punch up. Thanks for the help!
So glad there's a new faction essentials, and it's Troopers!!! Awesome man.
got this team in the works with recommended turn order. it can really punch up thank for this!
Are we blind?!
Deploy the algorithm!
this guy is a legend thanks for the help i was pretty much lost
I love using my troopers. They still need some work but they are fun
Thank you! I was modded all wrong, including a CD set on Dark Trooper. Lol.
Last several GACs opponents are putting DR under a Maul lead. 20% TM gain start of battle. IT can rarely outrace at that point. Suggestions? Or is this simply a solid counter?
GG/Nute beats that easily
Troopers are the goat.
Basically never use the aoe special of dark trooper or when should we use his specials? Could you maybe go a bit deeper in that for me?
"Whoa we're in the game" isn't funny but said enough times has become hilarious 😆
Great update of your troopers faction essentials!
Love your content btw ;)
Keep up the awesome work!
Thanks :-)
I like Gideon for Control the Situation.
I recently got some troopers reliced for my see journey and was wondering what my other two toons should be and the modding. Will have to get range and dark trooper starred and geared soon, but I kinda figured out the speed order by some miracle lol. Is a low gear Gideon and stormtrooper any good for a sub? I've been trying to use them for now but Gideon is the only one who seems to get any use and even then it's questionable whether his control the situation helps or hurts the team more lol
Great info, thanks!
Can you use imperial super commando with this team? I know it's not an IT but the extra damage it offers along with more aot wouldn't it be worth it?
"I ate his algorithm with some fava beans and a nice Chianti..."
Yikes 😬😬
I'll do it until You won't get the reference. ;)
BTW - are You still aware that liking comments and discussions in the comment area mounts the algorithm quite good? ;)
Having a solid IT team is really helping in GAC and TW
Very cool, yeah it's extremely helpful
favorite series. good stuff!
Thank U for this video. Your understanding of this game is awesome.
I followed your guide. But sometimes it seems like they are all full on TM and it becomes random who takes a turn. Does Piets buff give 20 or 40% tm.?
Piett gives 20% ...
Late to the vid but for the algo, I figured I'd ask anyways,
Isn't there a cpit comp that needs Gideon?
I got all the troopers from the SEE journey and am currently working on building most of the others to have on hand for every game mode. But in specific I really wanted to get a cpit team ready since i lack the GL's to contend there.
Hmmm, I'm actually not sure. I don't think his obvious mechanics would help much vs. The CRancor TBH. No TM reduction or reduced damage 🤔
Troopers has saved my grand arena many times
I needed this. I'm getting ready to work on these guys soon. Thanks for another great video. My wife asked me the other day if I knew why she was subscribed to a "Xaereth Prevails"? I told her we were helping mount the algorithm. She says "well ok then".
Side note/question. You did a video on what relic level to put characters at. What level would you put Royal Guard at? He wasn't in that video. Thanks
Bahahaha best story ever. Royal Guard can be R1 until you need to upgrade him for an unlock. R7 or R8 if you have LV
@@Xaereth. Thank you so much.
@@stevewealthy6120 R3 for SEE as well, and for SEE you need 3 Troopers (Piett, Starck, Veers) to make it back to this vid ;-)
@@trodatQ. I'm filling out my core squads first. But with my roster, SEE will be my first GL. Probably start making a push for him in the next few months
I'll be interested to see if the future scout trooper that (hopefully) will eventually come to the game will sllt on with troopers or imperial remmants.
Yes, Scout trooper is female in SWGOH
tnx..now i see why i losse vs hk..i used special with range trouper.
great video super helpful
Excellent Video👌🏾
Hey Algorithm, did you know Xareth has merch
Great vid x. Q: are tm gain and bonus tm the same thing or different?
Bonus turns are different from TM gain.
I was just looking at my roster thinking
“What turn order do i need for troopers to work best”
I needed this
It is what it is, so Piett.
Thanks for the knowledge! What are the minimum gear levels to counter a DR team? Does your secondary account counter DR?
My 2nd account might try to kill a weak DR, but hasn't had the chance too. R5 on Dark is probably minimum against most good DR teams.
Gotta love those tm trains.
Choo choo!! ?
thank you for the trooper guide :)
And WHY may you start your landing? Because General Veers is an absolute Boss of an officer! Been my opinion since about the time the movie first came out
This game won't be complete without Admiral Ozzel! So what if he came out of Hyperdrive too close to Hoth... ? He was a great character and probably gave cinema the best choke ever!
Wowww we're on the algo!!
Why does Dark Trooper need to be third? Could he go fourth or fith and still be OK (as long as the TM bridging is set up correctly).
He could if you needed him to. Earlier is better so you can get him more turns, and sometimes you want to use his buff ability to loop his TM a bit.
So the speeds of the other 3 characters don't really matter so long as they're in the correct order?
Correct
I am thinking aboout building a second Imperial troopers team, with Gidion lead (and he has some specific requirements for his underlings class)
How would you split the troopers to 2 teams?
Love you videos ! Big help for a lower level player like me & I’m sure for other higher level players aswell … great work XP!
I keep watching this. I'm working on mods for my troopers so I can use troopers against that pesky Darth revan
Replace either Dark Trooper or Starck withMagmatrooper under Veers lead. Mark Magma Trooper with Piett's unique which gives an non-removable debuff (it also stacks per team turn)
Magma Trooper unique gives 70% turn meter per debuff and/or buff.
Now combine it with Veers leader ability and Pietts unique....alot of turn meter
Great video.
They can take out Bastila Luke comps if they don’t have Wat, as well
Use the math, Luke
I cant follow your guide atm. Dont have dark trooper and with a 6* Exec i have to cripple my Piett to win against 7*
This series is still great. For the algo!
Once thing that doesn't make sense to me here is the speed calcs. So #1 is gonna be 340-360 speed, #2 is gonna be 80% of that so 272-288, #3 is gonna be #1 speed - 20 so 320-360? But that's always gonna make #3 faster than #2
Is it actually meant to be #3 = #2-20?
I just LOVE my Troopers! Don't have Dark T sadly enough (top of my wishlist!), but do have Snow T who has a very nice Unique as well (ST gains 30% tm when any unit is defeated, other Empire gain half, and some crit for all imps). Give me always 4/4 in TB and it give me a lot of laughs in GAC when they crush some very decent teams XD I just can't live whitout my Troopers! Maybe my fav squad in the whole game..
Thanks, Can you also do Jedi Master Kenobi Team MoD Guide
I shared the video with my guild on discord, hopefully you get some new subs.
Is it ok swapping stark for moff?
It can be okay. Not usually necessary though
According to your math, my starck needs to be 260 speed. But then I don't see how I would outrun a DR.
Piett: 330 + 20 from Lead = 350
Starck 300 + 20 from lead = 320
First move from Piett gives 30% tm to starck (first stack he gains when he gets a turn, second when he uses the ability and third 10% due to offense up)
Range unique is only 50% so I won't take the possible stack he would give me into consideration
350-320 = 30
30% of 30 = 9
So DR shouldn't be faster than 329 then if starck is 300.
Nah, Starck can be 280 and still bridge to a 350 Piett.
@@Xaereth thx. Just found my issue in the calcualtion :)
How about Tarkin? Can he fit in this composition?
Not really, he's not an imperial trooper
why not use range trooper special first against DR? why is bad to get protection up?
HK’s loyalty to the maker zeta prevents bonus turn meter on enemies who have bonus protection.
Why not swap out starck for gideon?
What does nerf mean?
What about an iden team
Whooaa I'm in the comments, I'm in the algorithm man Whoooa
Madness haha
#LongLiveTheEmpire
Gideons turn won‘t give 10% tm if he goes first if piett didn’t give out ET first.
ET isn't a thing you give out, it just happens. You're thinking of inevitable failure, which is different.
@@Xaereth ah my bad, mixed them in my head
For the algo!
How about stark for Moff Gideon or is he too fast?
Hello There
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If you are using against DR, you won’t be using the AoE from Veers. Therefore, I mod my Veers a lot faster, so he gets more turns in.
Speed really doesn't come into play here besides starting turn order. All about that TM gain, which has nothing to do with speed. And, you do use his AOE against DR :-)
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nobody runs stark vs. dr with marauder...so this analysis is half irrelevant without considering death trooper in the turn order
Nobody? Interesting
@@Xaereth would be happy to be proven wrong... why don't you take stark against a marauder/talon DR team on your next GAC match... I need a good laugh
@@thehydracarbon2773 I did it in my most recent, feel free to check it out.
That said, good insight. Death can daze or deathmark the marauder, since high-end guilds will have tankier marauders.
Unsure if you were trying to help, but this was helpful all the same, thanks!
Edit: based on your past comments, it looks like you're just a troll. All good, we can still learn things from trolls at times. It's not too late though, seems like maybe you have some wisdom to offer. I'm (genuinely) rooting for that to happen :-)
@@Xaereth I tried that comp twice and lost twice and my team is clocked and properly modded. I think the team you faced had weak mods or that bast is super slow or marauder was low health (can't tell from the video)... anytime I had a DR hit me like in your example, the match was an instant loss like 5 seconds later, so I think your outcome is not going to be reliable or was a fluke because of a mod mismatch... either way, just saying I have not had the same experience. take it or leave it.
Awesome vid!
Watt about iden...i think shes a least worth mentioning...
Yeah, I'll make an Iden guide eventually
@@Xaereth wow thx for the quick response...u jus earned a sub..n thx yea I'm a new player n jus run iden,stark,magma,snow,n storm..I'm only lv 79...but I got them all at 7* g8 except iden 6*...
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