Podcast: Industry Bias: Misleading Us About Meat (Part II)

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  • @adiposerex5150
    @adiposerex5150 2 роки тому +8

    Ditched all animal products 10 years ago and never felt better than now. I have unlimited energy for the first time in my life and I’m 71.

  • @jasonmann5019
    @jasonmann5019 2 роки тому +18

    Thank you for sharing Dr Michael Greger. Your work, insights and knowledge, in my eyes, is second to none. Best wishes and happy holidays to you and all of your team. Jason from Melbourne Australia.

  • @lukeweaver9287
    @lukeweaver9287 2 роки тому +12

    Feeling much better since ditching 80% of processed foods including sugar, dairy and meat yrs ago. No joint pain, no cavities, better hair, skin, nails, digestion, no flu, etc. Fasting occasionally helps a great deal as well.

  • @robertkribs9513
    @robertkribs9513 2 роки тому +8

    I think that the issues pointed out here that suggest intentional misleading is ripe for a national tv show. Time for another appearance on Kelly and Ryan? Dr. Greger needs to broaden his audience!

    • @chiyerano
      @chiyerano 2 роки тому +1

      If only more of the audience would listen. I can still remember the information and studies he presented on the effects of eating chicken and other times soy and many people basically seemed to lose their minds and stop listening.

  • @johnnytarponds9292
    @johnnytarponds9292 2 роки тому +4

    Thank you for this!

  • @TheRealDannAlexander
    @TheRealDannAlexander 2 роки тому +5

    Animal Agriculture continues to distort factual data while paying for people to provide them with flawed data that is in their favour. Having lost a brother to cancer because he ate a diet mostly of animal products, I will no longer engage with anyone who insists that eating animal products is beneficial to a healthy lifestyle.
    However, I acknowledge that in many communities hunting is essential for survival, and fresh and frozen produce cannot easily be trucked or flown in. That is just the reality for many northern communities in Canada.

    • @ddpwe5269
      @ddpwe5269 2 роки тому +3

      Yes, there's a difference between those of us who have the choice and those who don't. Those of us who DO have that choice heavily out-weigh that don't. Those such communities would definitely need more plants provided to them or ultimately move for a healthier life. Although, they don't have those choices if neither of those options are available, which is unfortunate!

  • @wadepatton2433
    @wadepatton2433 2 роки тому +2

    I get all the nasty sugar and meat and eggs I "need" during traditional holidays and occasions. The rest of the time I'm eating WFPB (350-ish days per year) and this has worked wonders on my health for nearly eight years now. ONLY wish I'd learned to eat WFPB properly when I first started dabbling with meat avoidance. But I'm here now and will evermore be. Healthy and Rx FREE at 56 in America!!!

  • @lisengel2498
    @lisengel2498 Рік тому

    🙏for your fascinating sharing of research and the truly inspiring info of what and how 🍀🎶💚🐸🎶

  • @brandinshaeffer8970
    @brandinshaeffer8970 2 роки тому +3

    MIXED RESULTS FOR ME. I lived as a WFPB vegan for 7 years. I sent several autoimmune diseases packing within a couple months. AMAZING. But within a year or so my hormonal health was not great. Suddenly i was having panic attacks and anxiety combined with extreme fatigue. I was found to have very very low testosterone and progesterone.
    I had always had a very muscular physique as a former gymnast and professional cheerleader. I began struggling to keep muscle. I am now on what i feel is the best possible diet: i eat mostly plants but with moderate amounts of organic grass fed beef, wild caught seafood, pasture raised eggs, and small amounts of pasture raised chicken and pork from regenerative farms. I HAVE NEVER FELT BETTER.
    In the end, the extremes are rarely the perfect fit for most people. I continue to follow Dr Greger but I will never be "vegan" again.

    • @Airith4
      @Airith4 2 роки тому +1

      Muscle loss is text book low calorie in-take.

    • @nttinvis
      @nttinvis 9 місяців тому

      You probably just didn't have enough variety... unrelated to the diet u weren't eating enough

  • @russianvegangirl
    @russianvegangirl 2 роки тому +1

    These horrible industries cause so much suffering to both humans and animals alike... All for money

  • @samiryan214
    @samiryan214 2 роки тому +5

    In fact meats isn't yummy, that's why they're using sauces and spices.

    • @richardordonez8331
      @richardordonez8331 2 роки тому +1

      I like it uncooked with a pinch of salt

    • @samiryan214
      @samiryan214 2 роки тому

      @@richardordonez8331 Disgusting.

    • @Meathead-10810
      @Meathead-10810 2 роки тому

      and that's why vegans are always trying to replicate animal products?

    • @samiryan214
      @samiryan214 2 роки тому

      @@Meathead-10810 No

  • @MrSammo1
    @MrSammo1 2 роки тому +10

    It's hard to trust people in a profit system.

    • @PercivalBlakeney
      @PercivalBlakeney 2 роки тому

      @Vincent Sammartino
      ua-cam.com/video/ouUkL_vvXSA/v-deo.html
      Says a lot.
      😉

    • @wadepatton2433
      @wadepatton2433 2 роки тому +3

      We can trust Dr. G. He's been one of my main guru's for eight years now. WFPB rocks!

    • @nttinvis
      @nttinvis 9 місяців тому

      He has plenty of money and he's not selling anything so

    • @MrSammo1
      @MrSammo1 9 місяців тому

      @@nttinvis Let's hope he's correct. A lot of what he says is slowly being proven incorrect due to Capitalist farming methods.

  • @phillippinter7518
    @phillippinter7518 2 роки тому

    Can someone please explain to me "% reduction in mortality" to me? He uses this phrasing all the time. Percent reduction in death over what period??

    • @smudge8882
      @smudge8882 2 роки тому +3

      Throughout the course of the study. Typically these studies last a few decades

    • @phillippinter7518
      @phillippinter7518 2 роки тому

      @@smudge8882 thanks

  • @jonasrmb01
    @jonasrmb01 2 роки тому +2

    👏🏻

  • @skpjoecoursegold366
    @skpjoecoursegold366 2 роки тому +1

    people who .......................................................... enjoy it.

  • @jonasrmb01
    @jonasrmb01 2 роки тому +2

    👍🏻

  • @YourPersonalDiscombobulator
    @YourPersonalDiscombobulator 19 днів тому

    But this does make me wonder, how healthy would meat really be if there were no intentional contamination to kill us all.
    Would meat really be how most people see or would it still somehow be harmful?

  • @VOLightPortal
    @VOLightPortal Рік тому

    "No need to wake up and get out of bed or go to work."

  • @Meathead-10810
    @Meathead-10810 2 роки тому +2

    I smoked about 503,700 cigarettes in 23 years of smoking, that is 28 years of my life gone. I have eaten a carnivore diet (close to zero fruits & vegetables) for 4 years now, that's about 7300 burger patties and takes off another year and a half. Average male life expectancy in Australia is 81 years so I have about 2 or 3 years left. That's really funny because only since my switch to a carnivore diet have all my health issues cleared up and I'm feeling really good. Will see how much longer I can cheat death.

    • @Spock_Rogers
      @Spock_Rogers Рік тому

      Nice anecdote.

    • @Meathead-10810
      @Meathead-10810 10 місяців тому

      @@Spock_Rogers Still here, still carnivore

    • @Spock_Rogers
      @Spock_Rogers 10 місяців тому

      @@Meathead-10810 Have you ever researched "meat and cancer" or "meat and heart disease"?

    • @Meathead-10810
      @Meathead-10810 10 місяців тому

      @@Spock_Rogers I have seen many studies quoted but there is no direct evidence that it is caused by cholesterol.
      The science is not so good when it relies on epidemiological studies.
      I was in such a bad place that I was willing to try this diet, still trying and it's still working wonders.

  • @safffff1000
    @safffff1000 2 роки тому +4

    Do any meat studies use organic pastured raised meat?

    • @ddpwe5269
      @ddpwe5269 2 роки тому +6

      Do you really think the compounds that cause the problems don't exist in all meat, regardless how its raised? Interesting mind set.

    • @safffff1000
      @safffff1000 2 роки тому +1

      No, their added components from all the pesticides, herbicides, big pharma dewormers, antibiotics, ect., and artificial fertilizers. Plus the animals are designed to eat grass not grains so they produced different chemicals in their bodies all contributing to cancers. Not till a meat that is raised like it has been in nature for a million yrs is tested as a control do you have any idea whats normal.
      Interesting lack of mindset, duh

    • @ddpwe5269
      @ddpwe5269 2 роки тому

      @@safffff1000 Heme-iron and cholesterol are the main components that cause the problems and then of course AGEs. Found in ALL types of meat, weird. There's a reason why it is called 'eating like a king'. They were the ONLY ones that could afford abundance of animal products and yet were always worse off than many of their underlings that apparently ate "inferior food(plants)".
      I take it you must be religious too then? They seem to be the only people who deny evolution. We have NOT evolved to consume animal products, our entire biology tells us this. Seeing as what's been in 'nature for million yrs'. We may be opportunistic, but that doesn't mean it ACTUALLY agrees with our system like plants do.

    • @safffff1000
      @safffff1000 2 роки тому

      @@ddpwe5269 In see you must religious in your vegi religion. Man evolved on meat for millions of yrs. Don't have a stomach like primates to use a lot more fiber. Brain development happened because of massive nutrition easily digested by man. Didn't happen in plant eating primates

    • @ddpwe5269
      @ddpwe5269 2 роки тому

      @@Goodmorning1221- Wait, so you believe that you get your b12 naturally from your diet? Do you drink untreated water or eat dirt that comes from your own grown plants? If not, your diet is being supplemented too. A quick google search would have helped you understand that EVERYONE supplements b12, unless they want you know, cholera etc that comes from drinking untreated water. Yes, even the very meat you eat is supplemented via the actually animal! That is the ONLY supplement I NEED to be taking, just like you and everyone else that eats a SAD. Even with the amount of animal products/processed foods people DO eat isn't enough to maintain proper levels of b12.
      No, you're right, it's ONLY vegan's that have to worry about this. Do you care to throw any other compound at us vegans that apparently we don't get in our diet? There's a whole list that people keep trying and failing at you could go through, but maybe, just maybe, a little research could go a long way and you will realize how wrong you are. Which there's nothing WRONG with, it's just whether or not you choose to change or just keep on shilling for the industry.
      If only people like you would stop regurgitating propaganda the industry has fed us for years, did some of your own RE-SEARCH and actually understood what you were saying (like myself and many others have done) you wouldn't make such comments anymore. Yes, I was there and then decided to open my eyes. See, the good thing is, your subconscious brought you here, so the seed is growing. It might take some time, but you'll come around, just like the rest of us.

  • @brandinshaeffer8970
    @brandinshaeffer8970 2 роки тому +2

    The biggest issue is that these meat studies aren't studying grass fed organic beef. They're looking at the garbage most ppl eat.
    I am extremely strict on the meat that goes into my body.

  • @jakobw135
    @jakobw135 2 роки тому +2

    Will you please answer the following point I've asked before but has not yet been addressed: what do you say about all those bona fide doctors and researchers like Dr Gabe Mirkin Dr Rhonda Patrick Dr Andrew Huberman and others who do eat an omnivore diet and do not see anything wrong with that?

    • @Spock_Rogers
      @Spock_Rogers Рік тому

      Most medical professionals have no education in nutrition and many are in industry pockets.

  • @AustinOKeeffe
    @AustinOKeeffe 2 роки тому +2

    Have there been research studies that test consuming unprocessed meats compared to a vegetarian diet instead of putting them in with processed meats?

    • @cyberfunk3793
      @cyberfunk3793 2 роки тому +1

      Kind of hard to test that as you would need people eat what you like for years the way you like which isn't practical. What they typically have is observatinal studies and not interventional studies and people that eat meat, typically eat some processed meats as well. And they smoke more also and all these co-founding factors are not that trivial to account for.

    • @jdw0426
      @jdw0426 2 роки тому +2

      All meat is highly processed plants

    • @chiyerano
      @chiyerano 2 роки тому +2

      The wild kangaroo diet study comes to mind as an answer to your question.

    • @Meathead-10810
      @Meathead-10810 2 роки тому

      I eat a carnivore diet and I have found out recently personally that those processed meats (Nitrates/Nitrites) really do cause alot of inflammation.

    • @cyberfunk3793
      @cyberfunk3793 2 роки тому

      @@Meathead-10810 I don't doubt it as the processed meats seem to be linked with cancer in most studies, but did you see a change in blood test results or are you talking about just how you felt?

  • @MutantMessiah
    @MutantMessiah 2 роки тому +6

    Ever get the vibe that anti meat peeps conflate unprocessed with processed meat intentionally?

    • @jdw0426
      @jdw0426 2 роки тому +1

      Besides salt and smoke, what's the difference? All meat is processed plants. Stop going on feels.

    • @anonymoose9801
      @anonymoose9801 2 роки тому +1

      @jdw0426 what the heck kind of reasoning is that? Plants are just processed soil so go eat dirt...

    • @jdw0426
      @jdw0426 2 роки тому +4

      @@anonymoose9801you mean air and light? Soil makes up little of the plant's composition. Look up photosynthesis. Who eats dirt?

    • @MutantMessiah
      @MutantMessiah 2 роки тому

      If a study is based on processed meat consumption and someone refers to it as just "meat" they're clearly misrepresenting it to push a narrative.

    • @jdw0426
      @jdw0426 2 роки тому +2

      @@MutantMessiah you clearly didn't watch the video

  • @pauldavid167
    @pauldavid167 2 роки тому +4

    That’s some clever gaslighting there

    • @mikecain6947
      @mikecain6947 2 роки тому +5

      Gaslighting by whom?

    • @erelpc
      @erelpc 2 роки тому +5

      @@mikecain6947 who* - Who is the subject doing the action - whom is the object, e.g. who is writing this letter vs to whom is this letter addressed
      But to answer your question, there's definitely no gaslighting going on this video, it's all accounted for and backed up with evidence.

    • @robertkribs9513
      @robertkribs9513 2 роки тому +3

      @@mikecain6947 I assume he is talking about gaslighting by the meat industry and the study.

    • @chiyerano
      @chiyerano 2 роки тому +3

      @@erelpc Well, according to the dictionary, in this case it would be whom* since it is receiving the verb or the object of the preposition by.*

    • @erelpc
      @erelpc 2 роки тому +1

      @@chiyerano then it would be gaslighting whom or gaslighting of whom.

  • @Leumas34676
    @Leumas34676 2 роки тому +2

    Dr. Greger is biased too, just in the opposite direction

    • @chiyerano
      @chiyerano 2 роки тому

      How, especially when he has mentioned that wild game meat is the best meat to eat and that flexitarians sometimes have better health outcomes than vegans? Doesn't sound very biased to me.

    • @chiyerano
      @chiyerano 2 роки тому

      @@Goodmorning1221-Now I know you are lying because nobody always does anything. If you watched all his videos and interviews you would know. Go check them out if you really want to know or you can just stay in your ignorance and make all sorts of erroneous assumptions based on like one or two videos you watched from him. Your choice. I don't care, just thought you should know before you start talking about him especially if you care about being credible. Good day.

    • @chiyerano
      @chiyerano 2 роки тому

      @@Goodmorning1221- Look, either watch all his videos and interviews as I suggested or be quiet and go away because you obviously don't know what you are talking about. He has even said he doesn't like the term vegan because it doesn't say anything about what a person actually ate. You want to see that as pushing veganism, that's your issue and I am just glad some of the rest of us know better. He is about EVIDENCE BASED nutrition and lifestyle. It's like some of you will never be happy until he starts singing praises about bacon and cheese or something.

    • @chiyerano
      @chiyerano 2 роки тому

      @@Goodmorning1221- They are right on this channel and all throughout UA-cam. A simple search under his name will take you to them. You too lazy to just look up his interviews or what? Fine. Stay in your ignorance. Not my job or problem to school you anyway. Good day.

    • @chiyerano
      @chiyerano 2 роки тому

      @@Goodmorning1221- I want YOU to look them up so that YOU can see them for yourself and be less likely to forget them. They are all over UA-cam and the internet. Anybody who really wants to know can easily find them.

  • @Meathead-10810
    @Meathead-10810 2 роки тому

    My first step towards a carnivore diet was the vegan diet :) When your health fails remember to try eating only animal products for about a month and see if your health improves.

    • @Spock_Rogers
      @Spock_Rogers Рік тому

      Well, your experience goes against evidence, but you do you.

  • @reality_design
    @reality_design 2 роки тому +1

    🩷

  • @cyberfunk3793
    @cyberfunk3793 2 роки тому +1

    "Co-consumption of Vegetables and Fruit, Whole Grains, and Fiber Reduces the Cancer Risk of Red and Processed Meat in a Large Prospective Cohort of Adults from Alberta’s Tomorrow Project"
    People eating over 500g unprocessed red meat per week had 22% less cancers compared to people that ate the least unprocessed red meat when both groups ate lots of plants also. So should the vegans ditch their diet that they "enjoy" based on this data and start eating over half a kilo of red meat per week to reduce their cancer risk or are the observational studies only good enough to base your diet on when they fit the agenda?

    • @Danuxsy
      @Danuxsy 2 роки тому

      replacing ANY meat with vegetables lower cancer risk and overall-mortality.

    • @cyberfunk3793
      @cyberfunk3793 2 роки тому +1

      @@Danuxsy Well not according to that data where people eating the most red meat had less cancers than people eating the least meats, like vegans and vegeterians would.

    • @cherij7000
      @cherij7000 2 роки тому +4

      go ahead and attach the link to that study please if you are that certain

    • @cyberfunk3793
      @cyberfunk3793 2 роки тому

      @@cherij7000 I posted the title, you couldn't locate the study using Google and the name?

    • @Meathead-10810
      @Meathead-10810 2 роки тому

      @@cyberfunk3793 I found it, they just cheap lazy vegans

  • @blotafton
    @blotafton 2 роки тому +1

    Doesn't those in the blue zones eat some meat? I can't be that bad if they live the longest.

    • @jdw0426
      @jdw0426 2 роки тому +7

      They tend to eat the least amount of meat with lots of whole plants.

    • @safffff1000
      @safffff1000 2 роки тому

      Most all centenarians eat mixed food, don't know of many who don't have meat

    • @chiyerano
      @chiyerano 2 роки тому +4

      They eat very little meat, and sometimes reserve meat for very special occasions that happen only a few times a year.

    • @blotafton
      @blotafton 2 роки тому

      ​@@chiyeranoIt would be interesting to know how often for optimal health.

    • @chiyerano
      @chiyerano 2 роки тому

      @@blotaftonWell, I have heard and read that a whole chicken or a large piece steak or ribs would be enough to feed a big family or even a village in some of those areas.