What if the Takeda WON at Nagashino? | Nobunaga's Ambition: Sphere of Influence

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  • @TheShogunate
    @TheShogunate  2 роки тому +101

    Do you like this style of video with me reading all of the dialog?

    • @PR0AC3
      @PR0AC3 2 роки тому +15

      I like it but it would be top notch if you could get the real samurai to read their lines ^^

    • @kevinstachovak8842
      @kevinstachovak8842 2 роки тому +4

      I love your channel. Too bad UA-cam is being so restrictive- it hampers creativity and causes uploaders to be wary of such things as age restriction/ demonetization. Thanks for your content

    • @kevinstachovak8842
      @kevinstachovak8842 2 роки тому +3

      @@PR0AC3 good lord that would be epic if possible

    • @raijinryu47
      @raijinryu47 2 роки тому +4

      Since you've covered majority of the Sengoku era, you may want to consider doing other "what if's" like this one. They are a lot of clans and scenarios that you may want to cover in your next videos.

    • @renanfbarbosa
      @renanfbarbosa 2 роки тому +1

      Yes

  • @michaeldiaz4563
    @michaeldiaz4563 2 роки тому +31

    You did a brilliant performance in reading the dialog, friend.
    Lord Shingen would have been very pleased with your talents.

  • @Demniox
    @Demniox 2 роки тому +37

    I like how you relate to History. Your knowledge about the Sengoku Jidai Period is amazing.
    You should choose one minor clan, start at the battle of okehazama and make your way through this chaotic times. It would be very entertaining to seeing how you would act in a time where Oda Nobunaga try’s to claim the land.
    I believe many people would watch your let’s play.
    Keep up the good work.
    (If you do so, pls do not use created officers)!

  • @krimzonstriker7534
    @krimzonstriker7534 2 роки тому +28

    If only Shingen was here to enjoy this. Personally I'd like a what if Ieyasu had finally died in one of the many instances he almost did in his life 😅

    • @The_Custos
      @The_Custos 2 роки тому +1

      Yes

    • @Vestu
      @Vestu Рік тому +5

      Yes. Ieyasu is the least interesting character in the whole period 😄

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 Рік тому +1

      My personal “What if” is if the Takeda (under Shingen), Hojo (under Ujiyasu) and Uesugi (under Kenshin) manage to form an alliance to deal with the Three Unifiers, while in the west and south the same thing happens between the Mori (under the old Motonari), Shimazu and Chosokabe (the idea being that the Shimazu and Chosokabe get to take full control of Kyushu and Shikotsu respectively while the Mori receive aid against the Three Unifiers and against the Otomo), around the time of Nobunaga’s march on Kyoto (so that all the big-name individual daimyo would be still around and with their clans on the rise or at full power).
      Nine of the biggest names in the Sengoku Jidai in three different alliances. Let them fight. Bonus points if this prevents the Imjin War from happening and saves a lot of Korean lives, or if the Ashikaga Shogunate takes advantage of this to prevent itself from getting overthrown (because everyone who could pull it off is busy fighting everyone else).

    • @nont18411
      @nont18411 10 місяців тому +2

      @@Vestu Of course, because he’s a protagonist. That’s why he’s the most boring and has the biggest plot armor.

    • @Vestu
      @Vestu 10 місяців тому +1

      @@bkjeong4302Yeah the Korean invasion was stupid. I also would've liked a western alliance (Mori, Shimazu, Chosokabe etc.) and eastenr alliance (Takeda, Hojo, Uesugi etc.)

  • @AngryHistorian87
    @AngryHistorian87 2 роки тому +10

    I have to admit. I’m now considering getting this game thanks to you 👍
    Also, as a Takeda fan, I thank you for making this video. Takeda Shingen would’ve been very pleased with your victory and diplomatic skills.

  • @Cozgrover
    @Cozgrover 2 роки тому +3

    Sphere of Influence is one of my favourites too. I look forward to seeing more content like this.

  • @JiggaMan1297
    @JiggaMan1297 2 роки тому +24

    Nagashino to me is one of the saddest moments/battles in samurai warfare... The Takeda (primarily Shingen) was the only clan that I believe possessed power and ambition to defeat Oda Nobunaga, if only Katsuyori had made better decisions. I think Uesugi Kenshin also had the power and prowess to do so, but I don't think he had such an ambition.

    • @AceMoonshot
      @AceMoonshot 2 роки тому +4

      I feel that if Uesugi Kenshin had lived another 10-20 years, then even without overwhelming ambition, necessity would have brought him to the larger stage. Given Kenshin's alliances, I feel Ieyasu would have switched sides. Effectively dooming the Oda. But ultimately, Ieyasu would likely still end up on top. Albeit with a different power structure.

    • @Chris_MarMar
      @Chris_MarMar 2 роки тому +3

      I think that had he been born later Mori Motonari could beat Nobunaga. That’s tricky though because he hard carried the Mori clan early on because they were surrounded by powerful and large foes like the Ouchi and Amago.

    • @sukitron5415
      @sukitron5415 Рік тому +1

      ​@@Chris_MarMar it's probably more accurate to say if Motonari lived longer

    • @Chris_MarMar
      @Chris_MarMar Рік тому +2

      @Sukitron I mean he was 75 when he died. That's already better than most other daimyo lol. Only a few others lived longer than that like Amago Tsunehisa who lived to be 84.

    • @sukitron5415
      @sukitron5415 Рік тому +1

      @@Chris_MarMar fair point but if he'd lived as long as say Hojo Genan for example he might have been able to make the Mori masters of all of Western Japan not just chugoku

  • @justadanifan3537
    @justadanifan3537 2 роки тому +5

    This was awesome. Love this new content. Some gameplay in between your normal stuff is very much appreciated.

  • @LuisLopez-zh9kh
    @LuisLopez-zh9kh 2 роки тому +4

    What a coincidence! I also began this scenerio in the expansion last week.

  • @Takeda_Katsuyori
    @Takeda_Katsuyori 2 роки тому +4

    Going to Nagashino tomorrow, thanks for the advice

  • @A_Toastonawhiteplate
    @A_Toastonawhiteplate 2 роки тому +7

    Really like to see more of the game...still trying to learn it

  • @LibertarianTerriermon
    @LibertarianTerriermon 2 роки тому +12

    Imagine if the Uesugi Joined forces with the Takeda The Oda would be Screwed if Kenshin was calling the shots

  • @ivanlarav
    @ivanlarav 2 роки тому +2

    Man the ost of this game is soooooo AMAZING!

  • @grandadmiralzaarin4962
    @grandadmiralzaarin4962 2 роки тому +12

    I'd love to see this for the alternative Sekigahara campaign where Ishida Mitsunari triumphs!

    • @Atom523
      @Atom523 2 роки тому +3

      I love doing that scenario, it would be great to see that on this channel.

    • @grandadmiralzaarin4962
      @grandadmiralzaarin4962 2 роки тому +3

      @@Atom523 Same, it takes me back to the days of the first Kessen game playing the second campaign as the Western Army.

    • @Atom523
      @Atom523 2 роки тому +2

      @grandadmiralzaarin4962 same I always preferred playing as the western army in Kessen.
      Winning the battle in Nobunaga's Ambition SOI is lots of fun, though the campaign is really rough afterwards as you have so few officers that if is really hard to staff your castles as the game goes on.

    • @khal7702
      @khal7702 2 роки тому +1

      ​@@grandadmiralzaarin4962was a great game, came out around same time as first Total War Shogun I think

    • @raijinryu47
      @raijinryu47 2 роки тому +2

      Played this scenario, and would really love to see it in this channel. Its sad that the toyotomi faction only understands mitsunari after his death and ieayusu is already shogun

  • @KOISAMURAI-y2y
    @KOISAMURAI-y2y 2 роки тому +2

    Yes this is just what i wanted do more like this

  • @Aries-jw3eq
    @Aries-jw3eq 2 роки тому +1

    Funny enough I was thinking this along with other battles amazing video

  • @atomixfang
    @atomixfang 2 роки тому +1

    Shame youtube cant really tell the difference from legitimate educational content. BUt as always your videos are top notch.

  • @-RONNIE
    @-RONNIE 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the video it gives us something to think about

  • @glennwilson10
    @glennwilson10 2 роки тому

    I am not a gamer, so I don't normally watch your game videos but I thought I would watch the first 5 minutes of this one as it is your latest video. I ended up watching it all and did indeed find it most interesting. I was very impressed with the way you read the dialogue. I don't know if you have any acting experience but you read it very expressively. I really enjoyed hearing it. I am still more interested in your history videos but maybe I would watch again. While I am here, I am very grateful for your introduction to me of the Buyuuden History channel, his material complements yours very well and I also enjoy his style of delivery. Looking forward to your future content.

  • @xxmrbrooksxx
    @xxmrbrooksxx 2 роки тому +1

    Great video. These type of videos are helpful. And all your content is great.

  • @khal7702
    @khal7702 2 роки тому +1

    artwork is soo good in this game!

  • @TheAleatoriorandom
    @TheAleatoriorandom 2 роки тому +1

    Great video!

  • @Strider182
    @Strider182 Рік тому

    I really would LOVE to see more of the Nobunaga's Ambition games!! I know you got access to the newer beta for the new game, but I would love to see more playthroughs of alternative history following different pivotal battle outcomes! :D

  • @serblue5793
    @serblue5793 2 роки тому +3

    My only question Shogunate is why stop so soon? the winning of the battle shoul'd have been only the beginning!!! I woul'd have enjoyed it verry much if you keep recording your campaign.. That being said you do amezing Video's and it is a pleasure every time you release one. Thank you

    • @TheShogunate
      @TheShogunate  2 роки тому +3

      I would have loved to continue, but sadly I know how difficult the path to Kyoto is and I can't guarantee that it would go well or make good content haha

    • @DarkSeresutia
      @DarkSeresutia Рік тому

      that campaign is hard cause you lack personel as Takeda, even with victory at Nagashino you have like 6-9 good commanders when the rest are pathetic
      so 9 castless and later you literally has none to choose from
      its literally better to destroy Tokugawa and get his generals cause he has few of them too
      lack of personel always was the biggest issue with those games

  • @shinsenshogun900
    @shinsenshogun900 2 роки тому +2

    The Furinkazan unfurls one more as the struggle rekindles between the Oda and the Takeda clans!

  • @pelfdog8525
    @pelfdog8525 2 роки тому +1

    That was a great video

  • @slowhand761
    @slowhand761 2 роки тому +1

    I have learned a lot from you.🙌

  • @trokoshea1
    @trokoshea1 2 роки тому +5

    A more probable "what if" would have been: what if Shingen had put an end at the Tokugawa at Mikatagahara?

    • @patrickernane2
      @patrickernane2 2 роки тому +3

      This one is a dlc, in the base game you have a last hipotetical quest, after mikatagahara, that does just that, push back Oda-Tokugawa out and reach Kyoto.

    • @DarkSeresutia
      @DarkSeresutia Рік тому +1

      Tokugawa had sons so nothing will change much probably

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 Рік тому +2

      @@DarkSeresutia
      That is assuming his sons can survive his demise.
      The thing about all the really iconic Sengoku Jidai big-name clans is that they were hard-carried to success by very few, and often only one, individual for each clan, and then basically fell apart in the generation after that. Ieyasu avoided this issue by outliving all the other such people and playing the long game to consolidate a country-wide power base for himself; if he dies partway through this process all bets are off.

    • @DarkSeresutia
      @DarkSeresutia Рік тому

      @@bkjeong4302 the question was about Ieyasu dying at Mikatagahara.
      So at 1572-73, Tokugawa already had a son who was 13-14 at that time.
      He had a wife, it was Nobunagas daughter which mean their aliance will still stay.
      So tell me the difference with or without Ieyasu.
      The only one i see will be Tokugawas will probably became Odas vassal.

    • @main1033
      @main1033 3 місяці тому

      He would have to deal with Oda sooner and would probably leave anyway.

  • @MageWarren
    @MageWarren 2 роки тому +2

    UA-cam's actions don't make sense unless viewed through the following lens: Lower the costs of paying our creators as much as possible to survive the drop in demand for advertisement.

  • @diapason89
    @diapason89 Рік тому

    Oda: "Noooooo I have matchlocks and spears!"
    Takeda: "Haha git gud, fool."

  • @Powerhouse1
    @Powerhouse1 2 роки тому +1

    Hey Shogunate. Really like this idea of going for hypothetical scenarios in Nobunaga's Ambition. Regarding the dialogue, if you need some additional voices, I'm willing to provide some. Let me know if it's something you're interested in. Thanks!

  • @order_truth_involvement6135
    @order_truth_involvement6135 2 роки тому

    Now that you're pretty much done with Sengoku Jidai history, you should start a series on the amazing Kamakura period.

  • @maximus0928
    @maximus0928 2 роки тому +2

    I feel like if I were uesugi kenshin after tedorigawa. I’d just go back knock all the drinks out of his hands and say there we win. Now let’s go take Kyoto!

  • @rdf4315
    @rdf4315 2 роки тому +1

    I like this video I would actually like to see you start doing live streams playing samurai games old and new, I think that would be pretty cool and it will hold a lot of people over until the next big content video.

  • @lonl123
    @lonl123 2 роки тому +2

    It's fun to think if this had happened in real life and a Takeda was one of the Unifiers...but reality is that Katsuyori was not his Dad by a long shot...and squandered the strength of the best cavalry force in Japan that day...and gave the Oda clan the victory they needed.

    • @DarkSeresutia
      @DarkSeresutia Рік тому +2

      they had no chance tbh, the power of their lands was just too much in Oda favor
      ultimately i think its Shingens fault the Takeda loses, Shingen got too many enemies on all sides when they are even weakest than Hojo by numbers
      Oda had weaker enemies like Asakura etc and still had problem with them, so that thing Takeda stay strong up to the 1575 is an achievement at its own
      I think Takeda should ally with both Hojo and Uesugi nearly at all costs and go all in vs Tokugawa to destroy him, it was the only chance for him to at least have chance vs Oda later.
      Basically Shingens war vs Kenshin should end after it became clear Kenshin isn't an idiot like Shingens previous enemies or even Murakami.
      The same goes with Hojo.
      The weird diplomacy of Takeda vs Uesugi and Hojo is a puzzle to me.
      Their goal never did contradict themself, they should ally.
      But Katsuyori couldn't decide which one ally to for far too long.

    • @lonl123
      @lonl123 Рік тому +1

      @@DarkSeresutia All very good points, The war he had with Uesugi was very attritional (Kawanakajima etc) and nibbled away at his strength. I am really curious if Hojo or Uesugi would have made a military alliance with him....I don't think either of those clans would have been cool with Shingen being in charge, but I could be wrong. :)

    • @DarkSeresutia
      @DarkSeresutia Рік тому +2

      @@lonl123 it was rather problematic cause Uesugi had some sort of rights of the land of Kanto Hojo wanted to conquer and part of it he did conquered.
      So Uesugi had bad relations with Hojo for a long time up nearly the death of Hojo Ujiyasu ,a bit before Shingens.
      I think Shingen did waste too much time waging war with those 2 and later Katsuyori was before the enemy he had nearly no chance to defeat.
      In like 1565-70 Takeda Should already have the aliances with those 2.
      But they had war with Hojo even in 1569, then Shingen died 4 years later, then Katsuyori wasted some time to prove himself etc.
      They just run out of time at that point.

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 Рік тому +1

      @@lonl123
      Shingen did ally with Ujiyasu a few times, so we know it could have worked.

    • @main1033
      @main1033 3 місяці тому

      @@DarkSeresutia Shingen's diplomatic ability was near schizophrenic levels. His initial marriage alliance to Imagawa(It probably pissed off Yoshimoto when he set up a truce with Hojo) actually helped him but his decision to kill his successor and to attack Imagawa when that leader's father is responsible for taking care of your still living dad and for your ascension was really cold blooded. Judgement was just simply given to him ironically by having a fruit of one of his senseless killings lead his clan into destruction.
      If he had maintained his diplomatic relations with Imagawa, he would have one less front to worry about(Imagawa's son was at Nagashino to get revenge on Katsuyori) and his successor would have room to open the western front up and actually deploy a large army at Nagashino.
      I think the leader who actually cared about maintaining a stable diplomatic relationship where was Ujiyasu. Their successor was not overwhelmed like Katsuyori was.

  • @yukimurasanada5209
    @yukimurasanada5209 2 роки тому +1

    when I did this fight, I failed multiple times and barely won Nobunaga was tearing Kosaka apart but we rushed him and won, Katsuyuri had literally 1 man left hiding behind a rock from Nobunaga's guns Chaotic but the dialogue and epic win and Tokugawa enslavement is totally worth it lol, The Masamune Date-What if at Osaka is cool to see as is the Toyotomi win at Osaka, I play as Hideyori since the others just go on to be officers under very easy to die factions

  • @manusiabumi7673
    @manusiabumi7673 2 роки тому +3

    30:50 Poor Naito got shafted lol

  • @jeffreygao3956
    @jeffreygao3956 Рік тому +3

    Sounds like INCREDIBLY long odds! But even if the near impossible happened, I guess Japan would be ripe for conquest from Russia or China or something.

  • @Mikey-rh1ic
    @Mikey-rh1ic 2 роки тому +2

    If Takeda Shingen manages to live on for another year, how would he handle the Battle of Nagashino, especially with Oda Nobunaga getting his hands on a hefty supply of rifles and use them on his sinister plan to eradicate the Takeda Clan

    • @CoffeeSuccubus
      @CoffeeSuccubus 2 роки тому +2

      I bet that Nagashino would be more of a trap for Nobunagas army and Nobunaga himself and Shingen would just bait him by faking his death.
      It just sounds so like him to do that

    • @Mikey-rh1ic
      @Mikey-rh1ic 2 роки тому

      @@CoffeeSuccubus Oda Nobunaga: Today, the pathetic House of Takeda shall perish! Mwahahahahahahaha!
      Takeda Shingen: Not so fast, boy! I am here to wipe you out along with your army as well as your lackey, Tokugawa Ieyasu!
      Oda Nobunaga: What is this? You’re supposed to be dead!
      Takeda Shingen: Oh my dear Nobunaga, my so-called death is just a ploy to catch you off guard and beat you all over the battlefield! Do you yield?
      Oda Nobunaga: I do not yield! I shall crush you, you old imbecile! Prepare yourself for your demise!
      The Battle of Nagashino ended with the Oda-Tokugawa forces beaten and angered by Tokugawa Ieyasu’s performance at the battle, Oda Nobunaga had marked his former buddy for extermination and fearing for his life, Tokugawa Ieyasu pledges fealty to Takeda Shingen
      Somewhere in Azuchi Castle
      Oda Nobunaga: The trap has been set and the feeble old tiger shall burn in Hell! Mwahahahahahahahahaha!

    • @demonmenace4657
      @demonmenace4657 28 днів тому

      He wouldn't have attacked Nobunaga at Nagashino, He would have forced Nobunaga to fight in the open

  • @felixborges7440
    @felixborges7440 2 роки тому +2

    Is Tatenashi a God or are they referring to Shingen? Context plz

  • @solidraven6986
    @solidraven6986 2 роки тому +1

    Does this game play like Romance of the three kingdoms?

  • @rikimaru103
    @rikimaru103 2 роки тому +1

    i would like to see how this campaign played out in the end since i never get the dlc.. do we get a special dialogue or event if Katsuyori capture the capital is what i would like to know

  • @malinyamato
    @malinyamato Рік тому

    Katsuyori now a kami just messaged me that he is pleased and you are welcome as one of his generals. Just get into the time machine and press go.

  • @eddierudolph8702
    @eddierudolph8702 2 роки тому +1

    What game is that in the background.

  • @Purebread_Oyster
    @Purebread_Oyster 2 роки тому +1

    Yes

  • @andreluislimaa
    @andreluislimaa 2 роки тому +1

    very good! i got really engaged!

  • @VladiSSius
    @VladiSSius 2 роки тому +1

    I think the age-restricted hammer comes from the title; you use "D**D" word. UA-cam has been increasing their grip on disallowing harsh words to be used in title. That's why, some channels decides to go with emojis and/or using "alternate" words.

    • @TheShogunate
      @TheShogunate  2 роки тому +1

      Yeah I wondered if that might be it

  • @valor5985
    @valor5985 Рік тому

    Do you get the same historical/hypothetical battle scenarios in NA Ascension?

  • @johnwright9049
    @johnwright9049 2 роки тому +4

    Reading all the text does not bother me.

  • @uscglen
    @uscglen 2 роки тому +1

    What game platform were you playing this on?

  • @NapoleonTotal
    @NapoleonTotal 11 місяців тому

    better yet what if kenshin didn't die

  • @tenchimuyo69
    @tenchimuyo69 11 місяців тому

    What impact does pol stat have on diplomacy? It seems the game wants to draw attention to intelligence for it.

  • @ryanwilliams3369
    @ryanwilliams3369 2 роки тому +1

    Your content got age restricted?
    Give me a break

  • @choqueperezjosuegabriel7791
    @choqueperezjosuegabriel7791 2 роки тому +1

    It would be better is the dialog contain LESS english slang, it is so painful to hear.

  • @samwill7259
    @samwill7259 2 роки тому +2

    UA-cam doesn't like reality?
    Rewrite history!
    This isn't a worrying precedent to set at all!/s

    • @TheShogunate
      @TheShogunate  2 роки тому +3

      It does make things quite difficult for history based content creators

  • @davidwood481
    @davidwood481 Рік тому

    Hypocrites dude that why