Is The Subaru WRX STI Really A Rally Car?

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  • What modifications are needed to turn a stock STI into a rally car?
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    Is the Subaru STI really a rally car? Whether it’s the big auto magazines, the marketing advertisements, or the Subaru forums, there’s certainly a rally aura surrounding the WRX. That appeal is part of why the Subaru STI was the first new car I ever bought, a 2014 Hatch in World Rally Blue.
    But the first time I took my Subaru on anything other than smooth pavement, it didn’t exactly feel at home. The suspension is very stiff, and there’s not much ground clearance. Sure, the AWD system is fantastic, but there are plenty of vehicles with great AWD systems.
    DirtFish Rally School, based in Snoqualmie, Washington, invited me to their three day rally program. Here, I was able to chat with their instructors and technicians, many of whom participate in rally racing across the country. Over the three days, on top of dialing in driving techniques, I was curious to learn about what physical changes they make to these cars in order to have them properly set up as rally cars, ready to thrash their courses, keep the occupants safe, and maybe even remain comfortable.
    And it’s not nearly as simple as you might think - throw on some rally tires and call it a day. There’s extensive work done to get these things to safely and reliably perform on a multitude of surfaces. Check out the video for all the details!
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  • @leeku7768
    @leeku7768 3 роки тому +6661

    Every rental car is the perfect rally car

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  3 роки тому +1451

      Facts - not every car is a rally car, but every rental is.

    • @Klipschrf35
      @Klipschrf35 3 роки тому +277

      Drive it like you stole it

    • @Automotib
      @Automotib 3 роки тому +198

      @@EngineeringExplained and that's why no one should ever buy a rental lol

    • @blahorgaslisk7763
      @blahorgaslisk7763 3 роки тому +66

      Ah! The TopGear vibe...

    • @AtlasJotun
      @AtlasJotun 3 роки тому +128

      My mother got a rental Impreza stuck in mud about 7 or 8 years ago up in Minnesota. Apparently even Mom gets a little McRae-zy out there in the sticks XD

  • @draz7905
    @draz7905 3 роки тому +482

    The fact that Jason chose to put that stall in the edit is my favorite part of all this. Humility goes a very long way!

    • @derekgardin1512
      @derekgardin1512 2 роки тому +2

      Yep agreed. I like when they leave that stuff in unlike some who try to seem like they're always perfect. Humility goes a long way and it makes them more relatable and genuine.

  • @okitasoichiro7918
    @okitasoichiro7918 3 роки тому +1402

    the camera setup for the onboard was genius

  • @DaxtonAnderson
    @DaxtonAnderson 3 роки тому +480

    It took me WAAAAAAAY too long to realize that's the test course from ALL of the dirt games 😂 I didn't realize it was based on a real location haha

    • @drizzlezyt4388
      @drizzlezyt4388 3 роки тому +33

      Every track is based on a real location

    • @CarrotsCs
      @CarrotsCs 2 роки тому +10

      @@drizzlezyt4388 not in DiRT 4 haha, they have procedurally generated maps

    • @stephenspilman68
      @stephenspilman68 Рік тому +12

      Dirt 3 has real locations, dirt 4 has generated maps and a irl track. Which is the dirtfish training track

    • @martmart.
      @martmart. Рік тому +11

      14:10 why is the warehouse closed? i always drift into it 😂

    • @jrbrookins3644
      @jrbrookins3644 Рік тому +4

      @@martmart. They actually had to condemn it :(

  • @martj1313
    @martj1313 3 роки тому +1694

    I had an STI but 2 weeks of anti- biotics and i was fine.

    • @joelarun5057
      @joelarun5057 3 роки тому +44

      Lmfao

    • @therealsnow
      @therealsnow 3 роки тому +68

      Slow clap...

    • @martj1313
      @martj1313 3 роки тому +230

      @@therealsnow not sure if it was slow but i am sure it was the clap.

    • @Sheamu5
      @Sheamu5 3 роки тому +7

      Haha

    • @mlbjr
      @mlbjr 3 роки тому +10

      Before you know it, its gonorrhea

  • @ryanfoster2437
    @ryanfoster2437 3 роки тому +261

    Can we please just appreciate how calm and relax Michelle is during the entire video? Legs crossed, calm eyes. Hilariously professional.

    • @ScottOrd
      @ScottOrd 3 роки тому +20

      Even as it's literally raining ice down on the car, I can imagine her tone: "no big deal, mind the throttle, now..." - bravo!

    • @jackcurtis3437
      @jackcurtis3437 3 роки тому +7

      Yup that’s Michelle 😂

  • @Dukesofsurvival
    @Dukesofsurvival 3 роки тому +2387

    Imagine he's just trying to learn how to rally and the all of a sudden his instructor goes: *Jason! You're breaking the car!!!*

    • @baseball741
      @baseball741 3 роки тому +149

      I understood that reference.

    • @MaxHPep
      @MaxHPep 3 роки тому +152

      Jason I beg of you!

    • @colinjohnson5515
      @colinjohnson5515 3 роки тому +14

      Lol took me almost a minute to remember. I’m getting soo oold!

    • @TheNotFakeBot212
      @TheNotFakeBot212 3 роки тому +72

      @@MaxHPep PURPLE CAUTION PURPLE CAUTION!

    • @chamonghxiong8282
      @chamonghxiong8282 3 роки тому +79

      Jason, Jason you need to listen to me!

  • @logicreversed18t
    @logicreversed18t 3 роки тому +159

    I was lucky enough to get 4 hours in a GT3 RS at the PEC in LA. I can totally relate to the mental exhaustion. After 3.5 hours, I had literally run out of brain power and courage. I just couldn't physically do it any more, which as an endurance athlete, was really unexpected and is hard to admit! I think a lot of people who don't get seat time in race cars with professionals really have NO idea just how much hard work racing a car is. It is mentally VERY taxing.
    I gained a renewed respect for motorsports drivers of all types after my weekend at the PEC. But man, when you get one of those laps just right, flowing around a track, it really is pure magic.

    • @insiainutorrt259
      @insiainutorrt259 3 роки тому +1

      A whole lot of it is learning a new thing.... something that for many happens so rarely they have no idea other than it hurts and never again.... thus lots of bad stuff in the world...

    • @heroichitsuji
      @heroichitsuji Рік тому +2

      It’s all the G’s and focus. Ripping around a mountain road for four hours put me out, and I was just in my Golf lol.

    • @falinestixiaolong9691
      @falinestixiaolong9691 Рік тому +1

      Driving on a busy highway for hours is already pretty exhausting. Can't even imagine doing the same while going flat out on a twisty track, having crazy motherfuckers left and right and behind trying to overtake you. You just can't catch a breath. And that's only the mental part, my left leg hurts after 1 hour of Assetto Corsa, and I'm not even getting swung around in an actual cockpit. Drivers are athletes for sure.

    • @ortzinator
      @ortzinator Рік тому

      I'm exhausted after 10 minutes of sim racing

  • @dingus153
    @dingus153 3 роки тому +460

    While not suitable for this kind of stuff from the factory, I think they know that the vast majority of owners aren't even going to take their STI on a gravel road, yet they seem to have provided a good platform for those who wish to get a bit dirty with some modifications

    • @klimeji
      @klimeji 3 роки тому +61

      Exactly.
      Also every proper rally car need suspension modification when changing type of stage - stock STi would crush the dirt-modded one on asfalt stage and vice versa.

    • @josephcazzuto7198
      @josephcazzuto7198 3 роки тому +7

      I had an STI back in 07 and I only met another bloke that had a forester that would even take it on some basic trails. Most subies are kept spotless 😆

    • @bigchungus1848
      @bigchungus1848 2 роки тому +23

      @@josephcazzuto7198 boys slam Subarus……….
      Legends lift them

    • @Ang3lUki
      @Ang3lUki Рік тому +1

      It's suitable for commuting in cold rural places from the factory. Which is still pretty great.

    • @Sumanitu
      @Sumanitu Рік тому

      My 04 WRX has seen a lot of forest service roads, sometimes with snow. I don't need to go fast though. I'm perfectly happy cruising at 30mph and getting there in one piece. Some times the roads are potholed or rutted or washed away enough that I'm weaving through at 5 or 10 mph.

  • @benharrison5816
    @benharrison5816 3 роки тому +399

    Video: Make sure you have all these modifications if you're going to rally, so you don't break your car!
    WRX owners: Install Cobb Accessport, vape, and send it.

    • @boxr_4214
      @boxr_4214 3 роки тому +9

      hahaha, i would love to rally with my wrx too but i know how expensive that would be... and it would render the car impractical on the road. just road courses for me.

    • @Lofi.z34
      @Lofi.z34 3 роки тому +8

      @@boxr_4214 You can use it on the road if you ignore the whole "DOT approved tires" part

    • @gavintaggart7370
      @gavintaggart7370 3 роки тому +5

      "sUBarUs ArE SO unRELIaBle...."

    • @Darkest_matter
      @Darkest_matter 3 роки тому +1

      @@gavintaggart7370 are they still? They used to be in the 90s.

    • @gavintaggart7370
      @gavintaggart7370 3 роки тому +20

      @@Darkest_matter It was a joke about the vape bros slapping shitty mods on their cars and then beating the hell out of them and being shocked they break down. They're plenty reliable if you use them as intended from the factory. Like the video says, they're not really rally cars, no production car is. Cobb Accessport and a 'stage 2' aren't going to make it one either.

  • @criticalevent
    @criticalevent 3 роки тому +825

    Did you see how they had to slow our boy down so he wouldn't lap the other students? :)

  • @CreaminFreeman
    @CreaminFreeman 3 роки тому +35

    Camera placement and the layout in editing for the full lap is the best I’ve ever seen! Period.

  • @markseegobin4322
    @markseegobin4322 3 роки тому +1168

    We can start to prepare a meal without any trouble 😂😂😂

    • @fearofchicke
      @fearofchicke 3 роки тому +4

      @@player1GR 4:22

    • @hypershadow5g
      @hypershadow5g 3 роки тому +10

      Never change, Jason. Lol

    • @JoshuaC923
      @JoshuaC923 3 роки тому +2

      Thankfully i wasn't drinking coffee at that time hahaha

    • @MethmalDhananjaya
      @MethmalDhananjaya 3 роки тому

      Sorry, Can someone explain the reference?

    • @qwesx
      @qwesx 3 роки тому +12

      It's great when you flip over and wreck your car and you're sad but then you remember that you brought eggs and bacon.

  • @georgebushdid911
    @georgebushdid911 3 роки тому +45

    The DirtFish rally school is the building used for the sheriff's office in twin peaks. much of the show was filmed in the surrounding area.

    • @sporkybutterz
      @sporkybutterz 3 роки тому

      Yes the Bronco was there the last time...no idea if it still is

    • @SteveHarrellRally
      @SteveHarrellRally 3 роки тому +1

      @@sporkybutterz Probably hiding in Rimmer's car vault

    • @briki5
      @briki5 3 роки тому

      Yep, I live near it.

    • @CadenUnnasch
      @CadenUnnasch 2 роки тому

      yeah i actually went here when i visited washington for this reason, didn't even know it was a rally school when i visited. very cool to see it again in this video

  • @RahulPatel-fp3ju
    @RahulPatel-fp3ju 3 роки тому +351

    "If you happen to flip over, you can start preparing a meal without any trouble"

  • @Captain_bl_007
    @Captain_bl_007 3 роки тому +239

    Lets be honest: We all memorized this track from dirt rally 2.0.

    • @snotty_boi8248
      @snotty_boi8248 3 роки тому +12

      Yees finally someone who Said it

    • @kkyoto_prod
      @kkyoto_prod 3 роки тому

      Yep

    • @Jaker788
      @Jaker788 3 роки тому +6

      They put the dirt fish track in the game?

    • @kkyoto_prod
      @kkyoto_prod 3 роки тому +6

      @@Jaker788 yep

    • @Kytetiger
      @Kytetiger 3 роки тому +8

      Is it also the training map in Dirt4 ?

  • @jasondavis9784
    @jasondavis9784 3 роки тому +614

    OMG ! This is why I love watching Jason's vids. He has ZERO PROBLEM sharing with us any humbling experiences he has along his travels, or even just when he throws something out there that helps us take him off the pedestal and see him as one of us. LOVE THAT ! Being able to laugh at yourself occasionally, shows TRUE character....@stallingonthejump lmao

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  3 роки тому +144

      Haha, that was most definitely not my only stall either! One time an instructor said "brake hard!" I did. I locked all the wheels and stalled the car. Mentally challenging experience, but by the third day it was just insane fun to drive the Mill Run course!

    • @jasondavis9784
      @jasondavis9784 3 роки тому +24

      @@EngineeringExplained that's epic lmao thank you again for always being genuine with us and keeping your views logical and scientific. We notice it and it goes a looong way. Definitely gonna look into a rally school out herrr in VA. Looking forward to the next vids !

    • @hahahafunny9419
      @hahahafunny9419 3 роки тому

      using God’s name in vane isnt good.

    • @hollol5933
      @hollol5933 3 роки тому +6

      @@hahahafunny9419 why

    • @GlycerinZ
      @GlycerinZ 3 роки тому +6

      @@hahahafunny9419 what does a broad blade attached to a rotating axis have to do with God?

  • @StalePhish
    @StalePhish 3 роки тому +19

    So fun! I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt out of practice: I took a 5 day rally school at Team O'Neil Rally School, the east coast version of DirtFish, and the first day was pretty rough after having not driven basically at all since the world went to hell 5 months earlier. We started in FWD Ford Fiestas and I believe it was only day 3 when we added in Subaru Impreza, then day 4 was RWD BMW E30 (all 3 at once: FWD, RWD, AWD to keep you on your toes). Then on day 5 we got a few runs with Subaru WRX and turbo Fiesta ST. It's also interesting to see what kind of stuff the schools do for school prep that absolutely is not allowed in real rally, such as removing emissions equipment.

  • @dillonh321
    @dillonh321 3 роки тому +85

    I love rally racing and wish it was more appreciated here in the US. I am glad that the Idaho rally is decent. I used to volunteer as a spotter.

    • @ErectileSceptile
      @ErectileSceptile 2 роки тому

      I used to watch F1 all the time, then I saw my first rally show and was blown away. Them crazy mfers have a death wish and I love it.

  • @carlesmiquel
    @carlesmiquel 3 роки тому +13

    Hi, Jason. My students and myself follow you almost religiously. It's part of our learning. My family and myself have been racing rallies for more than 60 years. What you explain here is just how to transform an STI into a gravel spec rally car. I know rallying is not a big sport in the States. In Europe we've been doing it from the very beginning of racing sports, i.e. Monte Carlo, San Remo, 1000 Lakes and so on. For us, who live in this world strongly regulated for almost 100 years, our work is split in three categories: gravel or "forest" rallies, "snow and ice" and tarmac. It would be fascinating to have you doing a series of videos on the differences between those three. The engineering involved in each of them is staggering. An STI, coming out of the factory and very few mods (safety requirements not included), as per FIA regulations, can do all European rallies, as it actually does. Suspension, flow restrictor and undercarriage cladding classify, basically, for most Class "NR4" cars to compete officially for an FIA-sanctioned Rally Championship. The Subaru WRX STI is, possibly, one of the most common cars in that class all over the world, along with the Peugeot 207, the Ford Fiesta, the Citroën C3, the VW Polo and the Sköda Fabia. If you want to drive your car in one of these three different "worlds", you'll need three different suspensions, three different types of rims and, at least, 8 different types of tyres (that's an understatement, but it's close). Most of the times, also, you'll need a different ratio setup for the gearbox. So, one "shell" needs lots of work and tweaks to function throughout an entire rally campaign, even if you compete in one country only. Great videos! and thanks for being an inspiration for my students.

  • @rxcubley
    @rxcubley 3 роки тому +138

    How it felt giving mapquest directions as a kid

  • @jasonehredt968
    @jasonehredt968 3 роки тому +21

    Love Michele’s relaxed instruction style. Cold chillin over there.

  • @Frexican54
    @Frexican54 3 роки тому +379

    Samir!! You are Breaking the Kaar!!!

    • @qpSubZeroqp
      @qpSubZeroqp 3 роки тому +6

      Lol!

    • @miguelnunez1377
      @miguelnunez1377 3 роки тому +2

      Best comment

    • @TJ-kh2zc
      @TJ-kh2zc 3 роки тому +12

      Concentrate, CONCENTRATE!!!!!!

    • @roynaba7669
      @roynaba7669 3 роки тому +12

      Shadup dont tell me how to drive

    • @Xyb3rTeCh
      @Xyb3rTeCh 3 роки тому +6

      Legend has it that Samir is still overshooting his race line and breaking the car

  • @lepsycho3691
    @lepsycho3691 3 роки тому +13

    Man, the full length lap made me feel as if I was in the car driving it, I looked so awesome, I want to try it now!

  • @trdartz
    @trdartz 3 роки тому +184

    Love dirtfish rally school, was only able to do a one day... but this was the most fun driving experience I had .

    • @mikeyetman6010
      @mikeyetman6010 3 роки тому +1

      Dirt fish is way to far from me in located by Jacksonville Florida but goto The Firm and that place is a absolute blast and I can drive my own 2011 wide body wrx hatch but hint I’m on my 3rd ej motor lmao

    • @andresosinski3053
      @andresosinski3053 3 роки тому +1

      How much for a day?

    • @daniellee6912
      @daniellee6912 3 роки тому

      @@andresosinski3053 the website says it starts at $1399 a day

  • @Benjamin-David
    @Benjamin-David 3 роки тому +5

    That’s so cool. I’ve owned 11 Subarus over the years. Mostly EJ engine models since tons of parts are interchangeable. Fairly easy simple cars for a home mechanic.

  • @clayduval1255
    @clayduval1255 3 роки тому +183

    The instructor with casually crossed legs is hilarious. Guess she's not afraid of anything!

    • @chitlitlah
      @chitlitlah 3 роки тому +10

      ... or she was trying to keep from peeing her pants.

    • @nikesbeast
      @nikesbeast 3 роки тому +1

      If they crash she’s fucked

    • @AntonAdelson
      @AntonAdelson 3 роки тому +1

      Couldn't believe it when I saw it!

    • @802Garage
      @802Garage 3 роки тому +20

      @@nikesbeast Yeah no. Full harness. Low speed course.

    • @SteveHarrellRally
      @SteveHarrellRally 3 роки тому +5

      Michelle is definitely not afraid of anything

  • @IWreakHavoc
    @IWreakHavoc 3 роки тому +16

    Pretty interesting. I always knew rally was harder than track driving. But I never really realized how much different it was. You basically have to relearn parts of what you know about driving to accomplish. Also I never thought about how much would go into changing the car. Thanks for this educational, well made video!

    • @Laylander
      @Laylander Рік тому +3

      It depends on what you're used to I suppose. I find track racing much harder, as sliding and pointing the car comes without thinking, but trailbraking on track I misjudge 4/5 times.

  • @axledog7297
    @axledog7297 3 роки тому +23

    FYI, HDPE are used in the rock crawling world, as well, on the bottom of skid plates to aid in sliding since it's considerably slicker than aluminum or steel.

  • @chrispaulson670
    @chrispaulson670 3 роки тому +1

    Also left foot breaking is an important skill to learn.

  • @gravelociraptor
    @gravelociraptor 3 роки тому +15

    Right at 12:17 I started to feel a lot better about life. I just bought my second WRX and first manual transmission, and I've been doing my share of stalls!

  • @donswier
    @donswier 3 роки тому +8

    Welcome (back) to the Northwest.
    Besides the awesome school, Dirtfish has both one of the best podcasts and UA-cam channels for rally fans.
    A real asset to the community.

  • @X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X
    @X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X 3 роки тому +25

    This puts the "rally car for the road" PR talk (looking at you, Toyota) into perspective - thank you!

    • @jayathranps1319
      @jayathranps1319 3 роки тому +1

      Jason should do a video on Toyota rallying. They do tend to overbuild their cars

    • @isaacjones2328
      @isaacjones2328 3 роки тому +2

      if you're talking about the gr yaris, yes, its in a similar boat as the sti but unlike the sti, its original reason to exist was to be a homologation vehicle. The yaris also has actual cool performance bits like a cf roof and an auto disconnecting rear axle when ripping the handbrake at speed. As far as rally inspired goes the yaris beats out the modern sti any day.

  • @sumoneskid
    @sumoneskid 3 роки тому +6

    This has been on my bucket list for years. Amazing that they invited you out. Loved watching you hunt the driver in front of you.

  • @metor36
    @metor36 3 роки тому +25

    As a side note, I've been told that the WRX and Ralliart are actually more rally-ready, while the STI and Evo are more track ready. This was kinda touched on when you mentioned both the tire/wheel specs and factory STI ground clearance.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  3 роки тому +17

      WRX has open diff/front rear, STI has a better transmission/AWD system for the job. I think the Ralliart is closer to the base Lancer than the Evo (at least for previous gens that was the case).

    • @Evan-eh9dd
      @Evan-eh9dd 3 роки тому +2

      The only WRX's in the US that are solid for rally from the factory are the GD chassis WRX's (non-sti). That's 2002-2007, but I think they put stiffer suspension on the "hawkeye" models.

    • @HavokStrifeX
      @HavokStrifeX 3 роки тому +2

      @@Evan-eh9ddAs the professionals in the video use VA's...🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @Evan-eh9dd
      @Evan-eh9dd 3 роки тому +2

      @@HavokStrifeX well if you're gonna change out the suspension and brakes it doesn't matter which one you pick really..

    • @HavokStrifeX
      @HavokStrifeX 3 роки тому

      @@Evan-eh9dd Didn't know GDs came with rally spec suspension and not the sports shocks similar to every other WRX. My bugeye didn't.
      Seriously though. Anything else?

  • @bikebudha01
    @bikebudha01 3 роки тому +3

    FINALLY, HE GOES TO DIRTFISH!!! FYI, I've been. It will change your world in terms of what a subaru is actually capable of. It's also the only thing that ever made me regret not being rich. As in rich enough to afford an sti that I can rally. (I own a 16' sti, but it won't be seeing any rally action as I can't afford that kind of maintenance)...

  • @mistgate
    @mistgate 3 роки тому +10

    Me, setting up my beater Impreza for rallycross: Big rear sway bar, no front sway bar, tires, and junkyard suspension

  • @bitflip8191
    @bitflip8191 3 роки тому +15

    I imagine stock STI would perform pretty good on tarmac rally setting.

  • @joseacuna3239
    @joseacuna3239 3 роки тому +11

    Well, back in the days (I’m 34 btw) I use to drive my dad’s 210 Nissan in the gravel while on vacations around a soccer field, I remember my dad checking my times every lap, felt good tho

  • @NoorquackerInd
    @NoorquackerInd 3 роки тому +7

    I am now addicted to watching rally videos from just your clip of driving

  • @zokusharuuku1091
    @zokusharuuku1091 3 роки тому +29

    Yes! More sti content!

  • @jeremyspecce
    @jeremyspecce 3 роки тому +5

    I used to do a lot of track days and the exhaustion level is real, as a student. There is so much going on mentally, as well as physically, that it can be very taxing, which is why the beginning, middle, and end of the classroom lesson was always “STAY HYDRATED!”

  • @AdamIsUrqed
    @AdamIsUrqed 3 роки тому +4

    I once inadvertently rallied an 04 Kia Optima. It was fun for the 3 seconds before it hit the ditch.
    Can't remember much after that, but I do know I was halfway through a "wooo hooo" before the sudden stop. 10/10, would recommend, minus the ditch.

    • @JoshuaTootell
      @JoshuaTootell 3 роки тому +1

      Ex wife did that with her PT Loser. I was doing the "woo hoo" when I noticed it was totaled.

    • @AdamIsUrqed
      @AdamIsUrqed 3 роки тому +1

      @@JoshuaTootell Surprised it got enough speed to make it a foot into dirt/grass. I test drove one on the same lot I got the Kia off of. That thing felt like driving a broken milk crate on steel roller skate wheels.

    • @JoshuaTootell
      @JoshuaTootell 3 роки тому

      It was on a dirt road in the desert. Going too fast, probably lift oversteer and sideways. Tires caught and it rolled one full rotation back on to the wheels. She was fine, but the car was completely destroyed. Insurance check covered about half of a 10 year old used F150 that she still has about 10 years later @@AdamIsUrqed

  • @bs89
    @bs89 3 роки тому +6

    Dirtfish is so much fun, the instructors there are amazing. Now you have to go back and do the 3 day advanced class its even more fun!

  • @hypershadow5g
    @hypershadow5g 3 роки тому +5

    So I think the bigger question is: was Samir really breaking the car?

  • @miguelt.7997
    @miguelt.7997 3 роки тому +2

    Thanks for covering Rally! I'm a rally preacher, have done all major schools, Team O'Neil, Rally Ready and recently, Dirt Fish, they are all worth every penny! I took a private course at Dirt Fish with Eric, kudos to him, great instructor.

  • @JohnTaylor-tl1gh
    @JohnTaylor-tl1gh 3 роки тому +7

    Doing some light fast-ish trail driving I like the outback. Higher ground clearance and softer suspension.

  • @jondurrett9277
    @jondurrett9277 3 роки тому +1

    I drove my STI on a 1500 mile road trip and I felt every bit of it. I love it for local driving, even on the terrible roads in Austin. Long distance trips however is not a fun thing to do. My body was so sore after that I needed a whole day to recover.

    • @Blackstarentity
      @Blackstarentity 2 роки тому

      Would you suggest a separate seat replacement?

  • @ivanroque7171
    @ivanroque7171 3 роки тому +30

    Rally inspired isn't the same as a Rally car. Still loved my 2017 stage 2+ STi when I had it!

    • @ItzzTesta
      @ItzzTesta 3 роки тому

      What a waste of money lmfao

  • @foxtayle446
    @foxtayle446 11 місяців тому

    When I was at Vermont SportsCar to get some rally headlights for my '02 WRX Wagon they showed me their rally cars that were being built. They take brand new WRXs and strip them down bare to the frame and then rebuild the entire car. That's insane!
    Great run at DirtFish. It's insane how fast the WRC guys do the courses!

  • @TTime685
    @TTime685 3 роки тому +8

    Yes folks, he really did sell his STi and S2000 for a miata.. 🤦🏼‍♂

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  3 роки тому +3

      Heck yes I did!

    • @TTime685
      @TTime685 3 роки тому +5

      @@EngineeringExplained 😄 I will never understand that decision

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  3 роки тому +5

      @@TTime685 Drive an ND and you will! 😂

    • @JoshuaTootell
      @JoshuaTootell 3 роки тому +1

      I think that says a lot about how amazing a Miata must be. Also, James from Throttle House loving his Miata. And Savage Geese doing an entire series on the Miata.

    • @ajr5195
      @ajr5195 3 роки тому

      @@EngineeringExplained i did the same. Wrx, ap1, ap2, supercharged ap2, ND1. Then sold the ND for a C5 ZO6 now selling the C5 Z06 for an ND2. ND is the best!

  • @stevemontgomery9966
    @stevemontgomery9966 3 роки тому +1

    DirtFish is incredible. The key thing they do to their STI’s are the smaller diameter steel wheels and Hoosier tires. Amazing how much difference that makes.

  • @Sheamu5
    @Sheamu5 3 роки тому +6

    Nice editing on the hot lap, easy to watch the track and the cockpit. Makes me want to check if there's anything similar near me.

    • @lemhens
      @lemhens 3 роки тому +1

      Agree! Good view

    • @SteveHarrellRally
      @SteveHarrellRally 3 роки тому

      If you don't mind me asking, where abouts are you? I can tell you what's closest

  • @SC-ec9fx
    @SC-ec9fx 3 роки тому +4

    That was awesome! Seeing a real track run with instruction was exhilarating, you did great. The abuse they take in one run is eye opening.

  • @trbdann2
    @trbdann2 3 роки тому +7

    Crazy difference how you gain speed on tarmac! Griipppp!!

  • @BlueDually4x4
    @BlueDually4x4 3 роки тому +8

    This is kind of like some of the Mythbusters episodes, its science, but science used as an excuse to have a ton of fun.

  • @averyschottler1997
    @averyschottler1997 3 роки тому +6

    Enjoying the rear seat + roof of car view, good stuff.

  • @JenniLudes
    @JenniLudes 3 роки тому +7

    I think I'll keep my bone stock STI (2019) on the pavement for now, though there are times when I wouldn't mind a little more ground clearance and the 15's with more sidewall...it's pothole season!

    • @mikeoxlong3676
      @mikeoxlong3676 2 роки тому

      Yeah I wish the wrx had more ride height. Needs to be closer to the crosstrek. Either put the crosstrek suspension in this thing or put the wrx engine in the crosstrek.

  • @Slinderman48
    @Slinderman48 3 роки тому +7

    Check out the Team O'Neil rally school in New Hampshire! As I understand it, Dirtfish was started by some ex-Team O'Neil employees.

  • @NickGiamattiKeyWest
    @NickGiamattiKeyWest 3 роки тому +1

    Jason, THANK YOU for answering that burning question that I always had, about DirtFish and their Student Rally Cars!! As a fellow engineer and obsessive automotive enthusiast, I ALWAYS enjoy your content, and straight forward analyzations & explanations!

  • @bbehzadi413
    @bbehzadi413 3 роки тому +10

    My STI will never see a rally stage since I’ve set it up for the track but I appreciate it’s rally heritage. Also would love to go to bucky laseks rally school rally ready.

  • @asianmursejohn8408
    @asianmursejohn8408 3 роки тому +1

    The dual camera setup/dual merging of both camera viewpoints showing the inside driving and outside driving dynamics at the same time is absolutely genius and didn't realize how much more engaging it made to watch the driving portion of the video @12:08 minutes in. @engineeringexplained raised the standards as to how onboard driving video edits should be like from now on. 👏👏👏👍👍❤❤❤ Thank you for posting and I hope I'll one day be able to attend a 3-day rally course from Dirtfish Rally as you had.

  • @RobbieFitzgerald
    @RobbieFitzgerald 3 роки тому +3

    As someone who knows very little about the sport of rallying, this was great!

  • @Ficon
    @Ficon 3 роки тому

    Jason: 15-inch wheels. Stanced vape-pen aficionados who buy STIs: have left the chat. Dirtfish is awesome, definitely on my bucket list.

  • @iiAchilles
    @iiAchilles 3 роки тому +4

    Wow I was seriously considering converting my STI into a rally car one day.. great to see this!! :D

    • @Erickzy
      @Erickzy 3 роки тому +2

      Yup, is the best rally car, that's why they use it in this rally school

  • @iamrambo99
    @iamrambo99 3 роки тому +1

    I love Dirtfish! Just did the 3 day RWD program last week and it was an absolute blast! Bucket list item

  • @isaiahtaylor7928
    @isaiahtaylor7928 3 роки тому +7

    You should try the RWD class there, there is a lot more technique used in that class

  • @dntlkdwn1602
    @dntlkdwn1602 3 роки тому

    Went here as a gift from my then girlfriend. Her mom and step dad work there. Fantastic experience. I took the RWD class as opposed to the AWD.

  • @TTime685
    @TTime685 3 роки тому +17

    I think it's pretty obvious that stock STi's aren't setup for off road..

  • @lucagattoni-celli1377
    @lucagattoni-celli1377 3 роки тому

    I love that the instructor at 0:56 has a foot up on the seat, totally relaxed as a semi-experienced driver slides around.

  • @jasonledesma5747
    @jasonledesma5747 3 роки тому +16

    I knew that UA-cam question about favorite rally cars was bait

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  3 роки тому +7

      Haha, as stated on that post - "rally video coming tomorrow!" :)

  • @kolapodasilva5838
    @kolapodasilva5838 3 роки тому +1

    I did the 3 day course a couple years ago. Worth every penny! Awesome driving!

  • @masterslimes
    @masterslimes 3 роки тому +12

    I've been wondering this forever....what exactly would you need to do to a stock STI to get it up to rally standards. Awesome video !! How much $$ would you estimate they put into the car ?

    • @jaredavery7641
      @jaredavery7641 2 роки тому +3

      I read about another rally school that primarily used older STIs, and the newer WRXs that came with the 6spd trans. (The 5sp manuals were about as durable as tissue boxes, apparently).
      Basically, between the engine and the suspensions mods, your talking 10k to be 'alright off road 100% of the time', 2-3x that for a pro-am team, and more like 50-100k in mods to be in a competitive national rally circuits.
      Weirdly, or I guess not too weird if you think about it, they said the 6sp WRX was a better base than the STI becuase every 'benefit' from the STI will be replaced or upgraded anyways. So the WRX was a cheaper platform to and would have identical end results.

  • @slandshark
    @slandshark 3 роки тому

    DirtFish is on my bucket list. I live about 40 minutes away. I've been wanting to go there ever since I bought my 2004 Subaru WRX Wagon. Best car I've ever owned and is unstoppable in the snow. 234k miles on it now, just replaced the clutch for the first time at 233k miles. First heard about DirtFish through NASIOC (back when NASIOC was cool).

    • @slandshark
      @slandshark 3 роки тому

      3 months since my last comment, my family surprised me with a 1 day course at Dirt Fish! I just did it last weekend. Just absolutely amazing experience. If you have any interest in rally driving, you MUST try it!

  • @kerrickhanson7926
    @kerrickhanson7926 3 роки тому +5

    How did I not know dirtfish rally was based like 20 min from where I live😳

  • @michaelcjordan1
    @michaelcjordan1 2 роки тому +1

    I took my 2011 WRX to rally a few times, and it honestly did great. I never had much trouble with it or any parts breaking.

  • @jafu745
    @jafu745 3 роки тому +9

    Love how relaxed the instructor lady is with crossed legs while on loose surface

  • @paulwilhelmsen6586
    @paulwilhelmsen6586 3 роки тому

    I’ve climbed two of the three highest northern routes in my state (and western hard man, which is central utah) and the race still made my palms sweat more then the climbs did.

  • @j.3854
    @j.3854 3 роки тому +6

    Plot twist. Jason is actually going to practice detailing with Matt @ Obsessed Garage post drive.
    Second plot twist, Matt saw the car and passed out. No detail.

    • @Jaker788
      @Jaker788 3 роки тому +1

      Yeah there's no fixing a rally cars paint. Just wrap it and call it a day

  • @060racing8
    @060racing8 3 роки тому +1

    From what I've seen people do run WRX's and STI's in a very stock form other than wheels tyres roll cage's seats radios and progressively build the car modifying or replacing stuff that breaks some people run forester struts in WRX's for extra ground clearance and travel earlier models can fit 15 inch wheels on stock brakes

  • @tannergermain5665
    @tannergermain5665 Рік тому +6

    Strut stabilizers and upgraded exhaust, it'll fkn rally

  • @colesisler582
    @colesisler582 3 роки тому

    Coming from someone who lives in the Appalachian mountains, and who has a brother who owns an Sti who lives in CO near the Rockies, it’s a great stock rig for sometimes unpredictable twisty mountain roads that can range from very gritty to very smooth pavement. You won’t find a better car that comes stock from the factory for that exact purpose. But I wouldn’t take it in any more harsh conditions than that unless it was outfitted with some or all of the upgrades mentioned in the video.

  • @dhmallet
    @dhmallet 3 роки тому +7

    I love your subtle engineer humor.

    • @Erickzy
      @Erickzy 3 роки тому

      More like dad jokes

    • @dhmallet
      @dhmallet 3 роки тому

      @@Erickzy I am often guilty of dad jokes, being one.

  • @tylerchaffee1047
    @tylerchaffee1047 3 роки тому

    Been to Dirtfish two times and it is the best time in my entire life! Highly recommend! Im sad this wasn't the expert 3 day, because the hand break turns and track are so much more fun!!!!!

  • @magnusandersen8898
    @magnusandersen8898 3 роки тому +4

    That thumbnail is amazing

  • @Michael-jq5pf
    @Michael-jq5pf 3 роки тому

    My nextdoor neighbor is an instructor at dirtfish, stoked to see you shooting a video there! I plan on treating myself to a weekend class with him for my 30th in a month and a half or two. Great vid as always

  • @robschilke
    @robschilke 3 роки тому +5

    Yoooo! You had Jack and Michelle as instructors! I had them both during my 3-day course. Some quality people over there all around.

  • @laurg17
    @laurg17 3 роки тому

    These cars rally A LOT MORE FREQUENTLY than ordinary rally cars because they are used every day for teaching. Hence the very reliable setup. Impressive

  • @miketeeveedub5779
    @miketeeveedub5779 3 роки тому +8

    Me: "Tires, suspension and brake components may only last a day. Engines last a month. C'mon Jason, really?"
    Watches rally footage near end of video.
    Me: "I'm surprised they last more then an hour!"

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  3 роки тому +5

      I think they said something along the lines of the rally tires lasting about four days of driving. Certainly an expensive endeavor!

  • @pauldombrowski2330
    @pauldombrowski2330 3 роки тому

    Great explanation video. My son and I work controls for Rally America. We love it.

  • @greentjmtl
    @greentjmtl 3 роки тому +5

    I wouldn't mind an OEM 2 inch higher riding and a bit softer STi, make it a wagon while you are at it.

  • @Svendskommentar
    @Svendskommentar 3 роки тому

    It looks like You got the Rally feeling and You did great on the course. No uncontrolled spins or failed turns. Finding that sweet spot of rally feeling and avoiding crashes is a dream come true, for most people into Rally sport. I love to watch videos from WRC, see those champions make their cars fly through the stages. Their cars are true supercars and they have the support of teams setting up the cars, testing the cars and maintaining the cars and staff, for each rally and to some extend each stage. Rally is a dance on the edge, so stay safe and have fun. :D

  • @bbatbileg
    @bbatbileg 3 роки тому +8

    -Time to make the dinner
    -Ok, let's flip the car to chop the vegetables.

  • @danieldanda2443
    @danieldanda2443 3 роки тому

    Factory JDM STI was close to FIA Group N tarmac spec until 2005. It used stock Brembo brakes, 18” wheels, minimal underbody protection. Added were safery equipment, better dampers and straight cut gearbox with plated front diff.

  • @robertneumann9352
    @robertneumann9352 3 роки тому +3

    trippel caution, trippel caution! 😂

  • @crankybear1236
    @crankybear1236 3 роки тому

    Just bought a 2021 wrx! This video came at the right time.

  • @SmartMass
    @SmartMass 3 роки тому +5

    Ah Michelle is an absolute legend, so glad to see her continue to coach!
    Edit: Kevin is great too... I guess :)

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  3 роки тому +2

      Michelle was awesome! Great team of instructors, a lot of different teaching styles which was nice because you'll "click" with some and it will start to piece together!

  • @dil6969
    @dil6969 2 роки тому +1

    It's only been a week and the new design is already making me feel nostalgic for this generation WRX, even knowing it didn't blow me away when it came out in 2015. That said, when you get your hands on the new WRX and eventually STI, it would be neat to see you do a deep engineering dive on it.

  • @sandybarnes887
    @sandybarnes887 3 роки тому +3

    You look like you had a fantastic time.

  • @rafaelribeiro4849
    @rafaelribeiro4849 3 роки тому

    Amazing explanation about the car, setups and what we should expect beyond the ads hehehehe. Ex STI driver... But I'm still fell in love. Nice one with a cool explanation. Tks mate.