They all sound great...but damn, the G12M Greenbacks just have a certain sweetness to them that make them the speaker everything else is compared to. Nicely done!
Agree but I think the Creamback M65 also has that sweetness but a little bit smoother. For some it's too smooth and they like the extra bit of bite with the M25. I like both each has their perfect place. Mixing the M25 and M65 together is where it's at . Smooth but not too smooth.
Put an M65 in my Marshall DSL I couldn't be happier. Decided against selling the amp. The speaker was just wrong. When I get a Plexi with a 2x12 I'll go for one Creamback and one Greenback. I think that'll be awesome.
Yes speakers make a huge difference! I had T75s in my cab and couldn't dial the sound I wanted no matter what I tried. So I changed speakers to the greenback anniversary, played a chord and instantly I had the sound I wanted. Pretty crazy, really. Nice video and have a nice day!
I hate my T100. Incredibly fizzy. Clean is great though. I got a G12M65 coming in the mail, since my 40W amp would be a bit much for a greenback unfortunately.
@@221b-l3t Oh I see, ye I got the JCM 2000 DSL, and a 2x12 cab. I got the anniversary greenbacks so they're 30W each. Perfect match for me! I hope the speaker works out for you. c:
@@MangoMeoww Yeah I have the 401 cab, it only has one speaker, and the amp has a lot of low end and fizzy highs so a Creamback should take care of that. Eventually I'll get an SV20h with 2x greenbacks, maybe one creamback for a mix. It's been 15 years, I can justify a second amp :) I'll use it as a cab so I can spread out the cost of the mini Plexi.
I don't understand why people in the comments keep mentioning "V30". There are no Celestion V30 speakers demonstrated in this video!! Marshall Vintage G12 is the original speaker which the V30 is based on. And yes, they do sound different!
The marshall vintage is a v30, in fact it is the original 1986 design of the v30. They are a bit different than current production v30s though, as are the ones made for Mesa cabs.
Man, you have one of the most underrated channels for reviewing and showing gear. I've been shopping for IRs and this video helped me to decide. Thank you.
One of the Best Comparison Videos I've seen in a while. I think the Greenbacks are the big Win for me. Love your Playing! I'm sure your technique also plays a huge factor in how the sound is being produced. Thank you!
All of those Celestions sound incredible. Also, your riff is way cool as well and consistent for evaluation between these different speakers. I have a Marshall 1960 Lead Angle cabinet with two Mesa V30's and two G12H Creambacks in an X-pattern 16 Ohm. That combination is killer for 'Heavy' guitar sounds. Great video and awesome playing. Cheers!
@@johndesrosier1672 Howdy, the tone from pairing 'Mesa' version Vintage 30's with the 'Creamback' 75's is definitely great for hard rock/metal genre. Where that combination shines through are when the cabinet is at ripping loud volume. Plenty of girth and searing penetrating tone. Plenty of punch without icepick/razor blade fizzy nature. I think it is a great combination. I hope this helps. Cheers!
I have Sheffield 1200 (6505) speakers and Creamback H 75's, there's no comparison, the Creamback H is a much much better speaker. The Creamback is also not nasal like the Sheffield.
MusiX is on the game with that type of deals and services. Best speaker shakedown I have ever seen, efficient and multi complex like real world. I have a 100W 59Handwired Plexi I always ran Ed Van Halens version of the greenback and greenbacks in my Marshall 1060BX. Until I got the Marshall Handwired 1960BHW Cabinet. I am using a single coil Fender Strat Custom Shop wireing and caps, so that plays in it too I bet. It has the G12H-30s. I agree with your gain scenarios. Excellent video.
My favourite combinations here were creamback with the 800, vintage 30 with the 5150, greenback with the plexi (obviously!) and I liked the creamback best with the clean preamp.
You are my definite go-to when it comes to questions on guitars, amps and everything in between over all out there! And as always, it's a top-notch demonstration! The celestions all sounded great ! The creamback won it for me! Definitely greenback with Plexi !👍🤘
Thanks for the demos Euge! I have been mulling over swapping out all of the speakers on my 1960A T75. I think Greenback x Creambacks are the way to go to make that a versatile and useful cab in the future.
@@EugeValovirta230V on your website it shows in one cab you mix the g12T75s with greenbacks and in another cab you do 3 marshall vintage with one v30. Which cab do you prefer for jcm800, 5150, plexi etc?
The cabs are (basically) the same Marshall cabs and I mic the different speakers in them to get the tones I want for any given situation. I don’t hear the cabs ’cos they are in another isolated room; I hear what the mics are hearing / picking up through my studio monitors which is the same that people will hear when the songs & videos are being released.
I used to have a Marshall 4x12 with Vintage 30s that I liked however I ended up selling it because it was overkill for my needs! But when played loud sounded great!
I have a couple of 2 by 12s I use together and one has the Marshal vintage speakers and the the other has the Creamback M65s and they sound amazing together .
Outstanding video Sir! Very easy to hear the differences between the speakers. I play through a Marshall1959HW head quite a bit and I love the G12H-30 Greenbacks in my matching 412 cabinet, but I did notice the Creamback 65 had some tasty tones with the 5150 head. I may need to add that amp+ 412 cab to my collection. Thank you for putting this video together!
Great comparison, great video, great guy - again. Fun fact: check out what names UA-cam's auto subtitle comes up with, when you say yours 😂 always different "El Governor"
Amazing video Eugue! …you are a guitar players best friend!! Thanks for the awesome comparison. …I always seem to like the greenback; can’t help it. All are good though!
Hey EV, at 2:27, I'm with you man. About to go through 3 different Celestion myself. At 7:08, the pleasing smirk on your face says it all. Also, I completely agree, the speaker is one of the most important "components" in your signal. As is said, garbage in, garbage out.
Hi Euge let her wail !!! Great comparison video I paid an extra $1000 to change my 412 speakers but sold the factory speaks. Hockey season coming soon as well !!!! AHL firing on all cylinders 💪🏒💪🏒💪
I’ve got a 2x12 with a G12H30 (55hz) and a VType and it’s a great sounding cab with my Marshall. My best mate has a G12M with a Vtype and it’s bloody nice too. The greenies just blend so nice. Been wanting to try a cream back in a 1x12 out of curiosity and this video has sold me.
Hi there, you seem to know what you're talking about. I own a JTM45 and I love the greenback sound (1960ax) but 4x12 is just overkill for our little bandroom - it's simply too loud. Do you have a recommondation for a 2x12 cabinet? Any recommondation would be much appreciated.
@@AkademickCI’d suggest sticking to a less efficient speaker like the greenback or V-Type or any other 98db speaker. The 100db speakers are definitely louder so if noise is an issue that small volume drop might help.
Hi, Do you have a video on how you connect your Amps to cabs and the switcher you use? Also I have the same boss SD1. it introduces a lot of noise into the signal chain. Do you use something like a decimator within your rig as it's very quiet? Thanks.😊
I really liked the open carachter of the Creamback ! My opinion : 5150/JCM800 -> Creamback, Plexi -> Greenbacks. The Marshall Vintage is too mid foward for my taste, I like a bit more air in the tone Thanks for the great video and monstruous tone Euge !
Very cool. If you ever get your hands on a Celestion EVH speaker I would wholeheartedly recommend it. It's at least my favorite version of the Greenback!
Nice job and sounds ! Thank's Euge for this great work ! I'd like to leasten with the Vintage 30, but I fall in love with the Cream Back. It has so munch punch and presence. With the C90 also and open and close test, but it's a real f... big job. Ref from the Road King witch has the best clear sound with the C90 open back for me. Merci encore. Love your sounds !
Great vid. I run 2 creams and 2 V30s in an X pattern in my 4x12. Both kinda fill the void the other one doesnt. It sounds great from E-standard all the way to B Standard. Its a do-it-all cab imo.
I really, really like the G12H-75 Creamback for high gain. It accentuates that mean 1kHz grind, which always reminds me of the good ol‘ Swedish DM sound.
Hey Euge, very nice video, very informative, talking about speakers I'd really love to have your opinion upon the Hesu Demon as a European challenger to the globally acclaimed Vintage 30 for metal sounds. Cheers keep up the good work!
Dude your playing was awesome, they all sound amazing. But the greenback has something nasty about it I really like. Cream back and greenback together. ADA - Creamback really brought it to life.
Great comparison, my favourite overall was the Creamback. Which in general, seems often to be my favourite - with Victory V40 & Marshall JTM too. I like Alnico Gold that I upgraded my Vox AC30S1 too. I did think immediately when I heard the Plexi with the Greenback it just sounded right. I as planning to swop out the Greenback in my Vox AC15C1 for an Alnico Blue. So I think I'll keep the Greenback, maybe someday I'll get a Marshall SV20 to pair it with. I like Orange amps with V30s, they both have that gravelly rumble to them, which I guess chimes with what you were saying about V30s and high-gain tones.
Love the way all those sound and thanks for helping me match up with what I need to match up I don't use greenbacks very often but I do use the lessons I use those 75 W last night
I love the sound of the Greenback, it cuts so well. But being 25W means you always need either a full 4x12 cab, or to blend it with a higher rated speaker whenever you're using a 100W head. Creambacks sound great too, though a little scooped. The Marshall Vintage, by comparison, sounds muffled, like the presence knob was dialled waaay back. I would love to see the comparison of the blends; Vintage + Greenback, Vintage + Creamback, Creamback + Greenback.
Great video again. I love Greenbacks with Marshall amps. Not a fan of the G12T75 at all, though Yngwie uses them all the time and they work for him. I have my 4x12 cab loaded with two Greenbacks and two vintage G12H30 speakers with the lower frequency cones. Has a lot of body and a lot of bite. My Marshall 2x12 has a Warehouse Speakers ET-65 (like a G12H clone) and a Warehouse Retro 30 (similar to a Celestion Vintage 30). But in my Vox AC30, it has to be Celestion Alnico Blues. Essential part of that Vox sound. I've played AC30s that have Celestion Vintage 30 speakers, and it sounds and responds completely differently. Speakers are almost like an instrument in their own right.
I have a mix of Vintage and Creambacks in a 1960 cabs in x pattern. Sounds great. The Creambacks are new, so need to break in i think. My amp is a Diezel VH2. Also have an EVH 50 watt stealth but haven't tried it since installing the Creambacks.
H Creambacks have become my go-to speaker recently in my DSL40, because they just do everything. - if I'm playing only high-gain then I'll probably fit a Classic Lead 80/an original 1986 T-75 (the old white label with no magnet vent) - if I'm playing only clean to mid-gain i.e. 70's style rock, I'll use a Marshall Heritage, or a H30 Anniversary if I can get away with a lower power amp - if I'll be playing a mixture of both, the H Creamback is capable of sounding just as good in all situations, especially if you're thoughtful with your pedal setup and amp channels. They really can't be beaten for versatility without compromising on sounding good A quick word on the T-75s, if you do want to give them another chance, you're more likely to have a better time with one of the original white label versions that came with the '80s JCM800 cabs (pre JCM900 before they went black label and then the modern black/white), they're a lot less hairy than the modern made speakers. Saying that, an SD-1 and a 5150 probably isn't the best way to compliment a T-75, they go better with Marshalls or a Mesa Boogie Mark with the 240Hz band scooped rather than 750Hz. I boost mine with a Blues Driver and a Mesa 5-band eq pedal. Also it's nice to see Guitar Mania getting some worldwide appreciation - I'm lucky enough that they're my local guitar shop, and the team in there really know their stuff, my Marshall label Creamback came from them.
I loved the greenback with the 1987x boosted the most. I think blending the creamback and greenback with any of the modern amps could sound great. The creamback clean was really good. The vintage sounds good in general but I’m just burnt out on the vintage sound so I always appreciate new speaker sounds. You should try some of the Eminence speakers if you’re able to get your hands on them, I love the Governor as a v30 alternative and the Wizard is another great speaker that doesn’t get nearly enough recognition. but I would imagine Celestion is just easier to get a hold of over there.
Man I got a dv77 and v30 in a 2x12 and it's brutal . I do still wanna try those greenbacks because I love the tones you are getting. Maybe do a mesa cab with 1 dv77 1 v30 1 greenback and 1 creamback. Wonder how that would sound in a 4x12 mesa cab.
Great comparison. You are absolutely right: speakers do make a big difference. But you have to keep in mind that one and the same speaker will sound different in a different cabinet. The construction of a speaker cabinet, I think, is one of the most neglected sound factors.
Thanks! Indeed. But if you have two Marshall cabs like me the difference is so subtle that it doesn’t matter. Funny fact is that my BV cab is from early 2000s and BX from early 2020s and based on the markings / sticker inside the cabs they’re put together by the same guy 😎👌.
@@EugeValovirta230V You are absolutely right. It's funny that both your Marshall cabinets were built by the same guy 🙂But there is, for example, a big difference between a 4x12 Marshall and a 4x12 Engl - both loaded with Vintage 30s. The Engl cabinet is about 10 kg heavier than a Marshall. Also, there is a difference between a Vintage 30 with 8 Ohms and one with 16 Ohms
They sounded good together but I’m more of a Marshall cab guy. The studio (Hansen Studios in Denmark) we recorded the album just happened to have those and they did the job just fine.
Creambacks are the most vocal with all of the speakers. It has a very nice fidelity to it. The Greenbacks are made for Marshall. I wonder how the Greenback goes against a Creamback M 65.
Hey bro killer channel ! Would like to know what u would prefer in a wattage speaker and Oms for a 2/12 cab for the MT PRs 15 watt head . I play a lot of leads .. what would u choose in wattage .. ? Thanks for ur great channel!
Can't help it but V30 just works for heavier music. Also greenbacks have this nice "chuck" while playing, like strings are a bit sticky. I have 4x12 cab and been thinking about replacing speakers so I can change between different speaker sounds. Is there a point or benefit soundwise leaving like 2x same speaker, or should I just straight put 4 different speakers and switch/mix between them?
Nice cab and speakers bro.👍👍👍🤟🤟🤟i have a 2×12 that has 2 greenbacks from 1971.ive never change or play anything other than the vintage greenback .simply the best of the best ever made period.they make you sound alive coming out from the cone.👍👍👍👍🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Nice Comparison! I'm curious if you've ever gotten you hands on the Marshall Celestion Heritage G12H speaker? I see them come in the JVM combos and extension cabs but I've seen almost no direct comparisons of that with other speakers and few demos of it all. I'm really curious how they compare to the Marshall G12 Vintage.
What’s up Euge! My mesa boogie TC50 combo has a LOT of midrange with its v30 (even with the mid eq at its minimum)… a creamback would attenuate it? Thanks and cheers from Brazil!
Hi Sir! Have you tried a masa 412 cabinet? I know speakers make a difference, but what about the cabs? I have heard so many good things about the mesa, what is your opinion? Is it worth the price? It is double the Marshall 412!
Is that just the Boss Overdrive into that Marshall giving you that sound??? Is the Marshall a stock 50 watt Plexi and was it modified is it just the Boss into a stock Plexi??? Sounds amazing for the 80s sound you are going for.
They all sound great...but damn, the G12M Greenbacks just have a certain sweetness to them that make them the speaker everything else is compared to. Nicely done!
Agree but I think the Creamback M65 also has that sweetness but a little bit smoother. For some it's too smooth and they like the extra bit of bite with the M25. I like both each has their perfect place. Mixing the M25 and M65 together is where it's at . Smooth but not too smooth.
The Creamback H is heavily influenced by the old G12H30 Greenbacks which gives it a Greenback flavor .
Man that Creamback sounded so good. Maybe in the context of a mix V30 might be better, but isolated that Creamback tone hits the spot.
Put an M65 in my Marshall DSL I couldn't be happier. Decided against selling the amp. The speaker was just wrong. When I get a Plexi with a 2x12 I'll go for one Creamback and one Greenback. I think that'll be awesome.
Yes speakers make a huge difference! I had T75s in my cab and couldn't dial the sound I wanted no matter what I tried. So I changed speakers to the greenback anniversary, played a chord and instantly I had the sound I wanted. Pretty crazy, really. Nice video and have a nice day!
I hate my T100. Incredibly fizzy. Clean is great though. I got a G12M65 coming in the mail, since my 40W amp would be a bit much for a greenback unfortunately.
@@221b-l3t Oh I see, ye I got the JCM 2000 DSL, and a 2x12 cab. I got the anniversary greenbacks so they're 30W each. Perfect match for me! I hope the speaker works out for you. c:
@@MangoMeoww Yeah I have the 401 cab, it only has one speaker, and the amp has a lot of low end and fizzy highs so a Creamback should take care of that. Eventually I'll get an SV20h with 2x greenbacks, maybe one creamback for a mix. It's been 15 years, I can justify a second amp :) I'll use it as a cab so I can spread out the cost of the mini Plexi.
Once again, an exceptionally fine video from Euge. This is the best Celestion comparison I’ve ever seen. Well done Sir.
Many thanks!
Greenback all day
V30= too piercing in treble
Creambacks = too muffled
Greenback= the sweet spot !
In this comparison, the Greenback won!
Funny you say that, I picked up a Harley Benton with the V30s and kept wondering why the treble was so piercing. Apparently it's common with them.
Totally agree with your assessment. Broken in greenbacks are magical to me.
I don't understand why people in the comments keep mentioning "V30". There are no Celestion V30 speakers demonstrated in this video!! Marshall Vintage G12 is the original speaker which the V30 is based on. And yes, they do sound different!
The marshall vintage is a v30, in fact it is the original 1986 design of the v30. They are a bit different than current production v30s though, as are the ones made for Mesa cabs.
At least you acknowledged that you don’t understand 😉
G12 vintage is a Vintage 30 Einstein. 🤣
Best speaker comparison that I have seen so far, and, with the very accurate description of each speaker characteristics.
Great video man!!
Wow, thanks!
Man, you have one of the most underrated channels for reviewing and showing gear. I've been shopping for IRs and this video helped me to decide. Thank you.
Thanks man!
This man has brought to me back taste for Marshall.Euge.Keep strong.
Good 😎💪.
One of the Best Comparison Videos I've seen in a while. I think the Greenbacks are the big Win for me. Love your Playing! I'm sure your technique also plays a huge factor in how the sound is being produced.
Thank you!
V30 4:36
Creamback 4:56
Greenback 5:15
Very cool shootout! How you keep track of the wiring and switching in there is amazing!
Thanks!
All of those Celestions sound incredible. Also, your riff is way cool as well and consistent for evaluation between these different speakers. I have a Marshall 1960 Lead Angle cabinet with two Mesa V30's and two G12H Creambacks in an X-pattern 16 Ohm. That combination is killer for 'Heavy' guitar sounds. Great video and awesome playing. Cheers!
Thanks!
Thanks also for this sharing. It's a wize move.
Did you notice a big difference after throwing in the 2 Creamback H 75's?
@@johndesrosier1672 Howdy, the tone from pairing 'Mesa' version Vintage 30's with the 'Creamback' 75's is definitely great for hard rock/metal genre. Where that combination shines through are when the cabinet is at ripping loud volume. Plenty of girth and searing penetrating tone. Plenty of punch without icepick/razor blade fizzy nature. I think it is a great combination. I hope this helps. Cheers!
I like how you demonstrated the interaction with the chorus pedals and the speaker. I love how the V-30's sound with the Boss Chorus Pedal.
The CreamBack sounded really good with the 5150, really close sounding to the Peavey Sheffield 1200 speaker
I was thinking the same thing, suits that amp really well!
I have Sheffield 1200 (6505) speakers and Creamback H 75's, there's no comparison, the Creamback H is a much much better speaker. The Creamback is also not nasal like the Sheffield.
I think the Greenback and Creamback there would sound awesome mixed.
Yes I'm getting a 2x12. Currently one Creamback but I'll add a Greenback.
You can’t go wrong with any of those, but my personal favorites have always been the Alico Cream Celestions
MusiX is on the game with that type of deals and services. Best speaker shakedown I have ever seen, efficient and multi complex like real world. I have a 100W 59Handwired Plexi I always ran Ed Van Halens version of the greenback and greenbacks in my Marshall 1060BX. Until I got the Marshall Handwired 1960BHW Cabinet. I am using a single coil Fender Strat Custom Shop wireing and caps, so that plays in it too I bet. It has the G12H-30s. I agree with your gain scenarios. Excellent video.
Yeah!
Thanks!
They actually sound so different. My favorite is the Creamback. Very open and sweet sounding.
Hard to beat the Creamback H for clarity .
My favourite combinations here were creamback with the 800, vintage 30 with the 5150, greenback with the plexi (obviously!) and I liked the creamback best with the clean preamp.
Appreciate you Euge. Always really enjoy your vids brother. You have killer tones killer playing and you have a great ear.
Thanks!
You are my definite go-to when it comes to questions on guitars, amps and everything in between over all out there! And as always, it's a top-notch demonstration! The celestions all sounded great ! The creamback won it for me! Definitely greenback with Plexi !👍🤘
Thanks man! Really glad to hear!
Thanks for the demos Euge! I have been mulling over swapping out all of the speakers on my 1960A T75. I think Greenback x Creambacks are the way to go to make that a versatile and useful cab in the future.
You’re welcome! 👌🎶💪
@@EugeValovirta230V on your website it shows in one cab you mix the g12T75s with greenbacks and in another cab you do 3 marshall vintage with one v30. Which cab do you prefer for jcm800, 5150, plexi etc?
I guess you didn’t watch this video? 😎
@@EugeValovirta230V I did! You’d be amazed how much I watch of your stuff 😂 I’m referring more to those combinations of speakers together.
The cabs are (basically) the same Marshall cabs and I mic the different speakers in them to get the tones I want for any given situation. I don’t hear the cabs ’cos they are in another isolated room; I hear what the mics are hearing / picking up through my studio monitors which is the same that people will hear when the songs & videos are being released.
I have had the V30 + Creamback 65 mix in all my cabs for years now. Just a perfect combination. For me 🙂
Try Ruby & Anni
@@dimitarneshev9182Thanks. I found my ideal speakers decades ago after many speaker changes. Very happy with not having to spend any more money 😂
For me i really liked the vintage 30's and the Greenbacks the best. The Creamback was nice as well. Thanks man cool video.
Well, that's a badass riff.
Thanks! It’s from one of the songs from my forthcoming third solo album.
I used to have a Marshall 4x12 with Vintage 30s that I liked however I ended up selling it because it was overkill for my needs! But when played loud sounded great!
My 2x12 has one Vintage and one Creamback, sounds amazing for most things I play (Metal, Rock, Blues), the blend of both speakers just seems to work
I have a couple of 2 by 12s I use together and one has the Marshal vintage speakers and the the other has the Creamback M65s and they sound amazing together .
@Dreichlift: Which Creamback did you use for your 2x12? H75 or M65?
@@sebastianangermann2827 I haven't a clue sorry
@@Dreichlift Hmm...you only need to look in your 2x12 and find out whether that speaker says 65 or 75 w ;)
I'm sorry you didn't test the creamback 65 watt, which sounds so much better than the 75 watt
Outstanding video Sir! Very easy to hear the differences between the speakers. I play through a Marshall1959HW head quite a bit and I love the G12H-30 Greenbacks in my matching 412 cabinet, but I did notice the Creamback 65 had some tasty tones with the 5150 head. I may need to add that amp+ 412 cab to my collection. Thank you for putting this video together!
Thanks! Cool!
Great comparison, great video, great guy - again. Fun fact: check out what names UA-cam's auto subtitle comes up with, when you say yours 😂 always different "El Governor"
Thanks!
Yep 😎.
Amazing video Eugue! …you are a guitar players best friend!! Thanks for the awesome comparison. …I always seem to like the greenback; can’t help it. All are good though!
Thanks!
Really digging those creambacks
Hey EV, at 2:27, I'm with you man. About to go through 3 different Celestion myself.
At 7:08, the pleasing smirk on your face says it all.
Also, I completely agree, the speaker is one of the most important "components" in your signal. As is said, garbage in, garbage out.
That's a great demo! I think I'm going to buy some official Celestion IR for the Greenback and the Creamback and try them on my recordings.
Hi Euge let her wail !!! Great comparison video I paid an extra $1000 to change my 412 speakers but sold the factory speaks. Hockey season coming soon as well !!!! AHL firing on all cylinders 💪🏒💪🏒💪
Yeah man!
I’ve got a 2x12 with a G12H30 (55hz) and a VType and it’s a great sounding cab with my Marshall. My best mate has a G12M with a Vtype and it’s bloody nice too. The greenies just blend so nice. Been wanting to try a cream back in a 1x12 out of curiosity and this video has sold me.
Hi there, you seem to know what you're talking about. I own a JTM45 and I love the greenback sound (1960ax) but 4x12 is just overkill for our little bandroom - it's simply too loud. Do you have a recommondation for a 2x12 cabinet? Any recommondation would be much appreciated.
@@AkademickCI’d suggest sticking to a less efficient speaker like the greenback or V-Type or any other 98db speaker. The 100db speakers are definitely louder so if noise is an issue that small volume drop might help.
Hi, Do you have a video on how you connect your Amps to cabs and the switcher you use?
Also I have the same boss SD1. it introduces a lot of noise into the signal chain. Do you use something like a decimator within your rig as it's very quiet? Thanks.😊
Yeah:
- ua-cam.com/video/-_WpuZW22D4/v-deo.htmlsi=fWo0uefFNw_p4_0T
- ua-cam.com/video/3F6z8mz-U-E/v-deo.htmlsi=4DQurgFFryT0vujF
@@EugeValovirta230V brilliant thanks 😊
I really liked the open carachter of the Creamback !
My opinion : 5150/JCM800 -> Creamback, Plexi -> Greenbacks.
The Marshall Vintage is too mid foward for my taste, I like a bit more air in the tone
Thanks for the great video and monstruous tone Euge !
Very cool. If you ever get your hands on a Celestion EVH speaker I would wholeheartedly recommend it. It's at least my favorite version of the Greenback!
I actually prefer the regular reissue Greenback to the EVH version.
Great video and bad ass riff! I bought vintage 30s after watching this. Pairing with a JCM800 2203x with a Legendary Tones HotMod v2 EVO
Cool! Thanks!
I have a V30 and a G12H pair in my combo, and an Orange 4x10 with Greenbacks. Combo is open back, Orange is closed. I never know which one to play lol
Play both 😎. Palmer makes this simple passive cab merger and it’s great: www.palmer-germany.com/en/products/signal-splitter-switcher/5088/cab-m
Nice job and sounds !
Thank's Euge for this great work !
I'd like to leasten with the Vintage 30, but I fall in love with the Cream Back. It has so munch punch and presence.
With the C90 also and open and close test, but it's a real f... big job.
Ref from the Road King witch has the best clear sound with the C90 open back for me.
Merci encore. Love your sounds !
Thanks! Really glad to hear!
I've done V30/GB combo. I'm running V30/Eminence square mag now. I'm thinking about going square mag/cream back.
Great vid. I run 2 creams and 2 V30s in an X pattern in my 4x12. Both kinda fill the void the other one doesnt. It sounds great from E-standard all the way to B Standard. Its a do-it-all cab imo.
Nice comparison Euge....I personally like the Greenback most. It sounds in my ears most even and heavy without fuzzy tones and muffle subs
Thanks!
I really, really like the G12H-75 Creamback for high gain. It accentuates that mean 1kHz grind, which always reminds me of the good ol‘ Swedish DM sound.
🤟
JCM800
Vintage 4:37
Creamback 4:57
Greenback 5:16
5150
Vintage 5:36
Creamback 5:55
Greenback 6:13
Plexi
Vintage 6:32
Creamback 6:51
Greenback 7:10
For that metal tone, the v30 is the best because it enhances those high string notes
Love the upper mids and tightness in the greenback, i have a 2x12 with British greenbacks and it's much better than my boogie cab with vintage 30's
What exact model do you use? I'm looking for a 2x12 greenback.
Speakers change your sound much more than pickups unless your going from low output to high output .
Or going from shitty to good 😂
Hey Euge, very nice video, very informative, talking about speakers I'd really love to have your opinion upon the Hesu Demon as a European challenger to the globally acclaimed Vintage 30 for metal sounds. Cheers keep up the good work!
Scooped and bright. Don't like that speaker.
Dude your playing was awesome, they all sound amazing. But the greenback has something nasty about it I really like. Cream back and greenback together. ADA - Creamback really brought it to life.
Thanks! Yeah Creamback is usually my go to with the ADA 👌.
I liked thevH creamback and the V30 the best. I think a blend of those two would be great! I plan on trying that in my Marshall 2x12 cab.
Euge, do you think it is worth it to upgrade the transistor combo (1x12) with one of these Celestion speakers? Great comparison anyway.
If you don’t like the speaker it currently has then I think that yes.
Great comparison, my favourite overall was the Creamback. Which in general, seems often to be my favourite - with Victory V40 & Marshall JTM too. I like Alnico Gold that I upgraded my Vox AC30S1 too. I did think immediately when I heard the Plexi with the Greenback it just sounded right. I as planning to swop out the Greenback in my Vox AC15C1 for an Alnico Blue. So I think I'll keep the Greenback, maybe someday I'll get a Marshall SV20 to pair it with. I like Orange amps with V30s, they both have that gravelly rumble to them, which I guess chimes with what you were saying about V30s and high-gain tones.
Please write in the description which speaker is the best with plexi. It’s hard to hear if you are saying greenback or cream back 😅
That’s up to anyone’s personal preference. I usually go with Greenbacks but I’ve recorded lost of stuff with Creambacks & V30s too 👌. With a Plexi.
Great video, as always.
Thanks, Dude 🤙
Thanks!
Love the way all those sound and thanks for helping me match up with what I need to match up I don't use greenbacks very often but I do use the lessons I use those 75 W last night
Happy to help!
I love the sound of the Greenback, it cuts so well. But being 25W means you always need either a full 4x12 cab, or to blend it with a higher rated speaker whenever you're using a 100W head. Creambacks sound great too, though a little scooped. The Marshall Vintage, by comparison, sounds muffled, like the presence knob was dialled waaay back.
I would love to see the comparison of the blends; Vintage + Greenback, Vintage + Creamback, Creamback + Greenback.
Seems like glenn fricker is right, tone is mostly in the speakers
Great video again. I love Greenbacks with Marshall amps. Not a fan of the G12T75 at all, though Yngwie uses them all the time and they work for him. I have my 4x12 cab loaded with two Greenbacks and two vintage G12H30 speakers with the lower frequency cones. Has a lot of body and a lot of bite. My Marshall 2x12 has a Warehouse Speakers ET-65 (like a G12H clone) and a Warehouse Retro 30 (similar to a Celestion Vintage 30). But in my Vox AC30, it has to be Celestion Alnico Blues. Essential part of that Vox sound. I've played AC30s that have Celestion Vintage 30 speakers, and it sounds and responds completely differently. Speakers are almost like an instrument in their own right.
Mark Lewis swears by the Creamback 65 and I agree, they sound sick.
Thanks Euge! 👍👍👍
My pleasure!
Never a surprise, another great video. No losers in the bunch but I'm leaning Creamback.
I have a mix of Vintage and Creambacks in a 1960 cabs in x pattern. Sounds great. The Creambacks are new, so need to break in i think. My amp is a Diezel VH2. Also have an EVH 50 watt stealth but haven't tried it since installing the Creambacks.
Have you mixed the Greenbacks with the Marshall Vintage in a 4x12 cab? How does it sound?
H Creambacks have become my go-to speaker recently in my DSL40, because they just do everything.
- if I'm playing only high-gain then I'll probably fit a Classic Lead 80/an original 1986 T-75 (the old white label with no magnet vent)
- if I'm playing only clean to mid-gain i.e. 70's style rock, I'll use a Marshall Heritage, or a H30 Anniversary if I can get away with a lower power amp
- if I'll be playing a mixture of both, the H Creamback is capable of sounding just as good in all situations, especially if you're thoughtful with your pedal setup and amp channels. They really can't be beaten for versatility without compromising on sounding good
A quick word on the T-75s, if you do want to give them another chance, you're more likely to have a better time with one of the original white label versions that came with the '80s JCM800 cabs (pre JCM900 before they went black label and then the modern black/white), they're a lot less hairy than the modern made speakers. Saying that, an SD-1 and a 5150 probably isn't the best way to compliment a T-75, they go better with Marshalls or a Mesa Boogie Mark with the 240Hz band scooped rather than 750Hz. I boost mine with a Blues Driver and a Mesa 5-band eq pedal.
Also it's nice to see Guitar Mania getting some worldwide appreciation - I'm lucky enough that they're my local guitar shop, and the team in there really know their stuff, my Marshall label Creamback came from them.
A V30 & Greenback X mix is unmatchable
I loved the greenback with the 1987x boosted the most. I think blending the creamback and greenback with any of the modern amps could sound great. The creamback clean was really good. The vintage sounds good in general but I’m just burnt out on the vintage sound so I always appreciate new speaker sounds. You should try some of the Eminence speakers if you’re able to get your hands on them, I love the Governor as a v30 alternative and the Wizard is another great speaker that doesn’t get nearly enough recognition. but I would imagine Celestion is just easier to get a hold of over there.
For the clean sounds I can imagine that a combi with Cream and Green can complete eachother.
Man I got a dv77 and v30 in a 2x12 and it's brutal . I do still wanna try those greenbacks because I love the tones you are getting. Maybe do a mesa cab with 1 dv77 1 v30 1 greenback and 1 creamback. Wonder how that would sound in a 4x12 mesa cab.
Every driver has that initial shock, after your ears adjust they all sound great.
My favorite are the early G12-65 from the JCM800 era.
Great comparison. Very helpful. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Great comparison. You are absolutely right: speakers do make a big difference. But you have to keep in mind that one and the same speaker will sound different in a different cabinet. The construction of a speaker cabinet, I think, is one of the most neglected sound factors.
Thanks! Indeed. But if you have two Marshall cabs like me the difference is so subtle that it doesn’t matter. Funny fact is that my BV cab is from early 2000s and BX from early 2020s and based on the markings / sticker inside the cabs they’re put together by the same guy 😎👌.
@@EugeValovirta230V You are absolutely right. It's funny that both your Marshall cabinets were built by the same guy 🙂But there is, for example, a big difference between a 4x12 Marshall and a 4x12 Engl - both loaded with Vintage 30s. The Engl cabinet is about 10 kg heavier than a Marshall. Also, there is a difference between a Vintage 30 with 8 Ohms and one with 16 Ohms
Indeed. I recorded Cyhra’s ’No Halos In Hell’ with ENGL & Mesa 4x12s, both loaded with V30s and completely different sound.
@@EugeValovirta230V Which of those cabinets do you prefer?
They sounded good together but I’m more of a Marshall cab guy. The studio (Hansen Studios in Denmark) we recorded the album just happened to have those and they did the job just fine.
Creambacks are the most vocal with all of the speakers. It has a very nice fidelity to it. The Greenbacks are made for Marshall. I wonder how the Greenback goes against a Creamback M 65.
On point Euge.......On point brother...
🙏👌
There’s a reason I keep going back to Vintage 30s. Great comparison!
Thanks!
Hey bro killer channel ! Would like to know what u would prefer in a wattage speaker and Oms for a 2/12 cab for the MT PRs 15 watt head . I play a lot of leads .. what would u choose in wattage .. ? Thanks for ur great channel!
Can't help it but V30 just works for heavier music. Also greenbacks have this nice "chuck" while playing, like strings are a bit sticky. I have 4x12 cab and been thinking about replacing speakers so I can change between different speaker sounds. Is there a point or benefit soundwise leaving like 2x same speaker, or should I just straight put 4 different speakers and switch/mix between them?
Nice cab and speakers bro.👍👍👍🤟🤟🤟i have a 2×12 that has 2 greenbacks from 1971.ive never change or play anything other than the vintage greenback .simply the best of the best ever made period.they make you sound alive coming out from the cone.👍👍👍👍🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Cool, thank you. I used my Jcm800 2204 with V30 speakers on high volume regularly. I don't know how I survived that :D
Nice Comparison! I'm curious if you've ever gotten you hands on the Marshall Celestion Heritage G12H speaker? I see them come in the JVM combos and extension cabs but I've seen almost no direct comparisons of that with other speakers and few demos of it all. I'm really curious how they compare to the Marshall G12 Vintage.
That is a Greenback with a heavy magnet. Compared to the regular Greenback it is more scooped sounding with bigger, tighter bass.
Thanks!
Euge, you should try the Creamback 65. Or the Creamback 65 and 75 in a "X" pattern.
Did my first swap last night. H75 + M65 + 2 x V30 X pattern
That is pretty cool they'll do all that for ya when you buy speakers.
Yeah!
On the Marshalls I like the GT12H 75 Watt. On the 5150 the Vintage. Cool video. 👍
maybe you try the celestion heritage g12-65 its the 80s metal speaker or g12h 30watt 75hz
I tried and the 65 is in now in this cab also 😎👌.
What’s up Euge! My mesa boogie TC50 combo has a LOT of midrange with its v30 (even with the mid eq at its minimum)… a creamback would attenuate it? Thanks and cheers from Brazil!
Greenback or Creamback 65 most likely. Like you heard the Creamback 75 has lots of mids 👌.
I like Marshall's v30 for jcm , h75 for 5150, and greenies for plexi . V30 is not my cup , but marshall ones are great
I like the sound thats least going to get me evicted from my flat an the greenback is the perfect candidate for my 4x12 cab.
Vintage all the way! 🙂
Jcm + vintage;
5150 + greenback 25;
Plexi + g12-h
Those 4 me, sir!
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Can i change only one speaker of a 2x12 Blackstar cabinet? Even if the Green back is only 25w?
Yeah if the ohms match 👌.
Hi Sir! Have you tried a masa 412 cabinet? I know speakers make a difference, but what about the cabs? I have heard so many good things about the mesa, what is your opinion? Is it worth the price? It is double the Marshall 412!
Yeah I’ve recorded a few albums with one. Cyhra’s first and second albums being the latest ones. It does the job just fine but mostly I use Marshalls.
Have you compared any 10” to 12” versions?
No.
Cream and Green sound good. Put the cream back in HT club 40. really quite different.
it would be great if T75 been included in these comparison. Thanx anyway)
I use the G12H 55hz seem to move air just fine . . not even sure how i stumbled across a pair still in boxes NOS , i guess.
Is that just the Boss Overdrive into that Marshall giving you that sound???
Is the Marshall a stock 50 watt Plexi and was it modified is it just the Boss into a stock Plexi??? Sounds amazing for the 80s sound you are going for.