Such a moving post-race interview with Dunbar, really shows the struggles and how close some riders get pushed to the brink of quitting. This unexpected victory today was great to see. 🥰
Thank goodness we have Chris with his still shots. The reason he has to do those I would imagine copyright but he does these to get the moments that the freaking horrible coverages not having motorcycles in the right places at the right time and going to endless clueless helicopter shots.... Every Network including NBC even with the extended highlights is a victim of the video feeds they have to accept I guess. But all the work that Chris puts into this allows us to see what really happened in the key stages of the race for the GC as well as not just the breakaways. Sad that it has to be this way but thank goodness we have Horner's brilliant critical analysis from the inside as he has always done.
Exactly. thanks for pointing it out. I find the shot that was passed over and missed because the film moves to quickly. No picture is just randomly put into T🦋E video. 👊🦋📸🦋
@@ChrisHornerCyclingThank you so much for all the time you put in Chris to make the stages understandable to us - to me it’s better than the broadcasts.
I really love the Vuelta, but the TV coverage is consistently awful. Chris's analysis is by far the best and it is always the first place I go. Nothing else comes close.
The commentators on Max (Eurosport for those in Europe) said that Decathlon AG2R riders will get a "yellow card" warning for blocking the road. Blocking the road has potential for causing crashes and should not be allowed.
I'm pretty sure that crash from Carapaz was caused by a AG2R rider; if you watch carefully you can see the last moment before the tree covers up riders that the AG2R rider goes to the left forcing Carapaz onto the grass. They should be punished for that! As you said, they are allowed to try to block the road - but they must not cause crashes in doing so
Hornerism.......: " If you're blocking the road, be prepared to get bumped!!!"........Awesome...make a t-shirt in 2XL and I want it!!! GREAT analysis as always....
How in the hell does Campenaerts not wear sunglasses ??? Thousands of miles ... sun, rain, road grime, and no sunglasses ... it absolutely blows my mind !!!
The way I see it, when Primož is not feeling it, he's still finishing with everybody else not losing time. When Ben is not feeling it, he's 30s behind.
There are levels to this game and O'Connor just got lucky that day. The pace is picking up now that it's cooler and we are seeing he can't hang with the top guys. By rest day he'll be lucky to be in the top 3
Does it ever happen on these "loop" course stages where the leaders catch up to the back riders on the second trip around the loop? If so how is this handled?
yes it does happen. In my day they just pulled over the slower group and made them lose a little more time. But didn’t allow them to mix like they do a crit here in the states. 🤔🦋👊
I believe it's time to go live Chris Horner...."Live from the Chesterfield!!" do it the last stage of the Vuelta! "my man Victor Campenaerts!!" Wout van Aert leading the pain train!!"
Ag2R crashed the 3rd place GC rider Richard Carapaz as he was trying to get by. That’s gonna make his teammates a little irritated. Great summary. I always learn something about cycling strategy when I listen to this channel.
Smart ride by Bora. But again short and steep is good for Roglic. It's like playing a tug war. Now the momentum is back on his court. So We'll see how his back holding up tomorrow. It's a longer climb. Btw, check out who's glue behind Roglic? Yep. Again. Mas. Mas so far IMO has been the most consistent of all GC rivals. I really think that he could win the Vuelta this time, if Roglic wobble again on back to back long climb. Saturday and Sunday are beast.
@@ChrisHornerCycling I think the most dangerous stage for Roglič is Saturday. All other stages, there is alot of climbing, but they are shorter 150-175km. Saturday has 200km.....longer stages does not suit Primoz, especially now with back pain......
Fun fact: According to his interview, George Bennett was more interested in the stage than in the GC and is still more interested in stages than in the GC.
IF IPT wanted this stage they would be riding for Ricitello, not Bennett.. The young fella has more abilty to climb and breakaway himself than Bennett. He is just not tough enough yet to contend on GC.
Gall needs to support O’Connor better. If he had the legs to hang on at the back of that group coming across the line, then he had another km in him to pull Ben full gas earlier. Gall’s GC ambitions for 8th place are a joke. But then, AG2R are managed by a bunch of wimps so it doesn’t surprise me really. Glad Ben is moving on next year.
With Ben O'Connor in the red jersey, I'm betting that Pogcar, Jonas, and Remco are sitting on the Chesterfield kicking themselves. The Vuelta has been fun to watch, but any one of the top three could have won this tour.
The last 4 stages of this week the real deal will start,we'll see who is with legs to attack the red jersey and the podium ,gard stages, finishes on climb tops, and on the first stage after the 2nd rest day they have Lagos de Covadonga climb on stage finish !!!
Weird race indeed, really interesting though. Not sure George Bennett is a real GC threat. Commentators were keen to pump him up but I can't see him being in top 5 by the end of Vuelta. This race is a bit like the Chiapucci/Lemond Tour :) Adam Yates was behind Ben O'Connor so he's not stringing results together. Carapaz, maybe crash, losing a small amount. This race is much more enjoyable than Tour + Giro :)
Bennett is a good tough top 15 rider, and threat to top 10. I would describe him as poor man's Landa. Similar qualities just a couple of levels below. Likely to yoyo back down GC and then get in another break next week. But IPT are more likely to pull off a stage with Woods or Ricitello
When there is a group of 30+ in breakaway do you need to be a bit sneaky (besides being strong) in order to not get spent and go for the win at the right time? Did you like Bora's DS strategy today with Martinez up front and Vlasov setting up the attack? Great coverage looking forward to tomorrow.
Bora played it correctly assuming they didn’t spend a ton of energy to get into the break. Normally I prefer my riders with me during a stage (the #1 rule on the T🦋E;). Putting three into the break is a bit much but I have seen it work out good so long as each rider wasn’t going crazy hard to get into that break. But I know 100% that it works out better more often if I keep my teammates near me. 🤔🦋👊
Looks like the race commissioners didn't agree with Chris about the road blocking by AG2r cause they handed out 3 yellow cards to them. O'Connor wasn't happy......
I saw that. I wasn’t so happy with them either after Bouchard went off on Rafferty. But the tree was in the way from are angle and maybe the UCI saw a different one. Or the UcI just used their harassment code. 🤔🦋👊
Thanks Chris. In defence of the form of Ben and AG2R not being so good vs Primoz and Bora up that final short steep climb, AG2R had been working hard all day first controlling as much as they could the composition of the breakaway and then once it was formed and a large time gap appeared they were alone at the front of the peloton in trying to reduce the gap and it was only much later than other teams came to help when they realised that George Bennet was in the virtual #2 GC spot and they better help reduce the time gap. Primoz and the Bora riders who stayed with him hid from the wind all day and those in the big breakaway did the minimum acceptable turns at the front of it and kinda coasted not particularly keen on helping the time gap to the peloton grow - now we know they did this they were all all part of a plan to regroup and put down the hammer on the final climb to put time into Ben who did well to keep it to only 36 secs
I wouldnt say losing 37 secondes on a 2,9 k climb is doing ‘’well’’. Not only that but he came in completly cooked unlike the other GC riders. Knowing than BOC cant TT, BOC has now only around 2.16 minutes buffer on Roglic if he wants to have a good shot at winning
@@cote-dubucraphael6235 I say he did well in that at one point it looked like the final gap would be as much as 60 seconds and he managed to claw back from that.
Did well?? Lucky it wasn't a cat 1 or roglic would have ripped that jersey of his back. I thought it lame he couldn't keep up considering he was protected all day. There are levels in this game and the media hype it up as though he has a chance. Chance in the top 10 maybe. Things are getting serious now. You just can't compare an O'Connor to a rog
I wonder if Primoz was a little off and couldn't drop Mas or if he wanted somebody to pull with him so chose to keep Enric around. He had Martinez up the road so it seems to me like he's not his usual Mas-dropping self. 🛋️🦋
Roglic's balls are incrementally growing larger as we get further into the race... Question: Where can I get them Kona flat-bars you have on display with the lupine lights?
@@ChrisHornerCycling I looked, and looked sum-more, as far as I know they're unicorns: they don't exist... when they drop your sponsorship, hit me up and I'll mount them on something, lol. Meanwhile, I'll be eating 🍿on my Chesterfield. ☮
Feel so sorry for F. Gall. He is in fantastic shape, but because of a gifted time, now he has to work for his "leader" who can't hold on his wheel.. No surprise if he finish even ahead of O'Connor in the end.
Yep. Gall is stuck at the moment and no one yet knows exactly how good Ben will go. That’s the life you sign up for as a pro cyclist. First duty is the team results. Second is personal results. 🤔🦋
I've heard that it's against the rules to block the road. Is that true? If it's not against the rules, is it then in the rules that you push someone of the road?
I'd love to hear the hosts thoughts on why teams and riders fall into strategic mistakes so commonly in bicycling? He calls it out a lot but I wonder if it's the heat of competition or interpersonal dynamics within the peloton, or team management not really understanding tactics. Seems like most sports are tactically very sophisticated these days, lots of information available and ways to analyze it, so why not in bike racing? And shouldn't these riders be wearing costumes that look more like horse jockeys and are designed to help you differentiate and identify competitors? I know the costumes do promotional work but seems like they could do both pretty easy and the viewing experience would be much improved, imo. Host is impressive at identifying people, I find it harder.
One rider and a DS were fined. That rider also lost KOM & sprint points as well being docked a few seconds in the GC. Two other riders were issued yellow cards.
Bora Red Bull burned some big matches today on that last climb for just 37 seconds on O’Connor…. Hopefully they have enough matches left for tougher mountain stages to come.
I went to bed with 40km to go thinking the other teams would drain ag2r. I wake up a few hrs later and missed all the action thinking every stage from here too the rest was all geared for attacks. Couldn't see O'Connor getting dropped on a cat 2/3 at the end of the stage. This has been the best gt of the yr. Will not miss a stage now. Good to see Bennett get his due. O'Connor will be lucky to finish in the top 10 after today's effort. His team was bragging how they got this. Vlasov did a great job to launch primoz up to martinez who looks to be back to full health.
Imagine if RBH and Roglic will not able to close the gap with O'Connor at the end. They will surely regret that stage when they let him gain a lot of time. 😅
To be honest with you I think Roglic thinks that he needs to gain time on these short punchy climbs near the end of stages because he thinks Ben O'Connor will be better on the longer climbing mountain days, like he was the other day when Roglic struggled. In the end I think Roglic and Mas will be able to bring back this time, there's just too much climbing left and days like today. I also don't think Decathlon's tactics worked today, they should have let the gap to our a little more and saved their legs, that and maybe not even riden on the front so much if they didn't the legs, which obviously they didn't.
They will not regret it...the big gap was allowed for a reason and even the Chesterfield DS Horner is still clueless about this. Tactically this Vuelta has to be ridden differently. Bora took into account Roglič recovering from his back injury. Then they looked at the Vuelta profile before the start and saw 1 flat stage, 2 ITT's, the rest is hilly and mountainous. It's almost impossible to control that amount of hilly stages, like Roglič said. That turned out to be true. Look at what happened these last few stages - AG2R let a huge break up the road twice now, because they simply can't control it. And this was just ordinary hilly terrain, we're not even in the big mountains yet. Attacking is easy, defending is hard, especially if you have a weak team and there are 10 GC guys attacking you left and right. And that is what will happen to AG2R - they'll be completely burnt out next week when the decisive stages start. By then, Roglič will slowly reduce the gap and have a relatively fresh team ready to defend in the last couple of stages.
@@GOlone9597 Yeh, I'm with you on this, I'd love Ben O'Connor to win the Vuelta, I'm just not sure he's good, consistent enough to do so, but I hope I'm wrong and he's just managing the time losses so he doesn't go into the red too often to have a really bad day and lose a lot of time, but we'll see.
For all the talk of unwritten rules in the peloton, isn't it an actual written rule that riders may not block the road and keep others from advancing? Am I mistaken, or is that just the least enforced rule in the book?
@@ChrisHornerCycling Here's the rule I was thinking of: 6.1 Obstruction by a rider or vehicle in order to prevent or delay the movement of another rider or vehicle Is this what the Decathlon riders' yellow cards were given for? Edit: just read an article indicating that this is indeed the rule that was enforced. Imagine that--a written rule! 😱
bravo eddie ! ag2r bad tactic , ben still in red ,for how long ?. bad mistake, blocking the road arguiing ,not letting bora do the job ! all this for loosing time.if they loose the vuelta , that will be because of this stage . my man showed up ! and keep an eye on Carapaz ! .good comment from hornerism !!! njoyvuelta "BLOCKERS GET BUMPED"
I'd like to thank Primoz for letting Ben have a four-minute lead. But now what's up with him trying to catch up? This is like drama between doctors on a soap opera. Such mischievousness from Dr. Coyote. 😀 .
Chris, a few questions - firstly was it just me who thought it was obvious what Bora were doing by sending some men up the road? Secondly, I know it's against your rules but shouldn't Decathlon AG2R not tried to do the same? If not how could they counter this? I thought Decathlon got their tactics all wrong, I thought they could have lost the break get even more time because they were always going to get some time back towards the end and they wouldn't have to do the work on the front, but maybe I'm wrong. Lastly can tell me what Valter and Kruisjswuijk were doing in the break? I thought they might be doing the same to drop back but no they just wasted their legs for tomorrow when they might be needed. Was this just more knuckleheadism? 🦋🦋🦋
Ag2R didn’t ride that hard on the front, at least what we saw on camera at 105k to go. There was only one rider up the road Xandro and he was gaining time (6mins) all day while he was out there. W/O seeing the beinging of the race I would say Ag2R rode good tactically but they just didn’t have good legs for the final. It happens and we have to remember that it has happened many times with Ag2R in the past, even when they just sit in the wheel and follow all day long. At just about every big stage race they do. 🤔🦋👊
Very good analysis, though not a bad day for O Connor 37 seconds top 10 normal day. Not gonna be in top legs all the 13 mountains stages. Watch Yates flying again soon. Roglic was normal bad is when you lose 3 mts up I guess
I root for Ben but i am not optimistic. On a short climb he is not even in the first chasing group. The way it’s going, at the end of the race he is likely to find himself behind not only Roglic but Mas and Carapaz as well.
Listening to Chris Horner on the Butterfly Effect, it becomes ever harder to endure the utter nothingness of the live commentary as the stages are being ran. The rank nonsense you hear like riders "coming to the party" illuminates absolutely nothing of what is going on in the race strategically, tactically or in terms of potential outcomes. The so-called post-stage analysis which follows is even worse, and educates you on absolutely nothing, playful chatter seeming rather to be the sole of the object of the humdrum. Thank you Chris!
God it’s becoming increasingly difficult to follow you when all you want to blab about is my main man Victor blah blah,it would be nice if you showed a little parity and talk about at least another rider or ten instead of Victor Victor Victor,you’re becoming redundant and hard to watch.
My wife when she saw Victor take the lead: “My man!!!” 😂
My magic is working. 😂🤪🦋👊❤️🪄
Hahahahaha it sure is!
One of the few names in the Peleton my wife nows too. My sons favourite also😂
This guy got us brainwashed 😮
Such a moving post-race interview with Dunbar, really shows the struggles and how close some riders get pushed to the brink of quitting. This unexpected victory today was great to see. 🥰
Great maneuver by Eddie Dunbar -- He had a huge head of steam coming from the back of the bunch and nobody jumped. Bravo!
Yep. Time to perfection 👊🦋
Thank goodness we have Chris with his still shots. The reason he has to do those I would imagine copyright but he does these to get the moments that the freaking horrible coverages not having motorcycles in the right places at the right time and going to endless clueless helicopter shots.... Every Network including NBC even with the extended highlights is a victim of the video feeds they have to accept I guess. But all the work that Chris puts into this allows us to see what really happened in the key stages of the race for the GC as well as not just the breakaways. Sad that it has to be this way but thank goodness we have Horner's brilliant critical analysis from the inside as he has always done.
Exactly. thanks for pointing it out. I find the shot that was passed over and missed because the film moves to quickly. No picture is just randomly put into T🦋E video. 👊🦋📸🦋
@@ChrisHornerCyclingThank you so much for all the time you put in Chris to make the stages understandable to us - to me it’s better than the broadcasts.
They let Lanterne Rouge use moving images, why not you Chris! The analysis is better, and you talk slow enough to follow what is being said!
I really love the Vuelta, but the TV coverage is consistently awful.
Chris's analysis is by far the best and it is always the first place I go. Nothing else comes close.
Victor Campenaerts is now “Our man Victor”!
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Mas! He's having the race of his life! I would love to see him on the podium! OMVC never disappoints!! :) Dunbar, GREAT move!
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Amazing tour so far
It certainly has been. 👊🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋
The commentators on Max (Eurosport for those in Europe) said that Decathlon AG2R riders will get a "yellow card" warning for blocking the road. Blocking the road has potential for causing crashes and should not be allowed.
A little bit of love 😂😂😂. AG2R obviously doesn’t have the practice doing this.
"Little bit of love"😂😂😂😂🤣
Thanks Chris and Garrett 👊 great stage and reliving with you all (Chesterfieldians) in the evening is pure joy🦋👊💥
(Chesterfieldians) ...now we have another word...
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no one can analyze/critiques a stage or race better than Chris, with Garretts excellent assistance
I'm pretty sure that crash from Carapaz was caused by a AG2R rider; if you watch carefully you can see the last moment before the tree covers up riders that the AG2R rider goes to the left forcing Carapaz onto the grass. They should be punished for that! As you said, they are allowed to try to block the road - but they must not cause crashes in doing so
Enric Mas has always been there or thereabouts. Time for him to shine and would love to see it.
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He's due after contadors call out
Thanks Chris and Garrett. And Garrett I've been meaning to compliment your arrow work. Especially when they bounce around 😆👍
Garrett’s got them spinning and bouncing. 😜🦋👊🧸
Love the actual peloton behavior information! Great arrows BTW
Garrett hard at work. 👊🦋
Garrett is the king of the arrows! ❤
Hornerism.......: " If you're blocking the road, be prepared to get bumped!!!"........Awesome...make a t-shirt in 2XL and I want it!!! GREAT analysis as always....
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Chris is the best.
Ben's hanging in there. Looks like Enrique Mas has a case of Vingaglue - and I'm here for it.
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How in the hell does Campenaerts not wear sunglasses ??? Thousands of miles ... sun, rain, road grime, and no sunglasses ... it absolutely blows my mind !!!
I heard someone saying he had the glasses crashed on his face on a crash and he stopped wearing them.
Me too 😱🦋😳
What happens when a big bug hits your face?
@@iacobogallus2110Free protein 😅
i like veal !
Good to hear this about bumping and what that is.
C'mon Primoz 🏆🏆🏆🏆
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He's got this if he stays upright
Grew up seeing you race in the TDF now I watch for the tactics to put it in play in my own racing. Great channel!!
Thanks. Glad to hear I’m helping you out in your races. 👊🦋
The way I see it, when Primož is not feeling it, he's still finishing with everybody else not losing time. When Ben is not feeling it, he's 30s behind.
There are levels to this game and O'Connor just got lucky that day. The pace is picking up now that it's cooler and we are seeing he can't hang with the top guys. By rest day he'll be lucky to be in the top 3
Gotta love the knucklehead call outs!
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Beautiful analysis as always. A joy! Thanks Chris.
Ben is still riding strong. High drama stages, I love it
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Thanks for the review. And today was the ONLY time a 'early celebration' paid off. :-)
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The AG2R guy that crashed Carapaz should get a DSQ. You can not crash a rider just because he broke through your block.
I tried to see how it happened but that damn tree was hiding the important moment. 😳🦋🤔🌳
It’s called a little bit of love there!
Does it ever happen on these "loop" course stages where the leaders catch up to the back riders on the second trip around the loop? If so how is this handled?
yes it does happen. In my day they just pulled over the slower group and made them lose a little more time. But didn’t allow them to mix like they do a crit here in the states. 🤔🦋👊
I believe it's time to go live Chris Horner...."Live from the Chesterfield!!" do it the last stage of the Vuelta! "my man Victor Campenaerts!!" Wout van Aert leading the pain train!!"
live "they're being Knuckleheads" commentary!
What's you vector Victor?
Dunbar got the biggest slingshot. Was good to watch. Enjoying the open field too. Anyone's Vuelta. Exciting
Entertaining breakdown
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Bora seemed to finally get their tactics spot on, yes Chris?
Agreed. 👊🦋
My man Eddie Dunbar 💥😍🇮🇪 pro racers still have in our legs 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Ag2R crashed the 3rd place GC rider Richard Carapaz as he was trying to get by. That’s gonna make his teammates a little irritated. Great summary. I always learn something about cycling strategy when I listen to this channel.
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Smart ride by Bora. But again short and steep is good for Roglic. It's like playing a tug war. Now the momentum is back on his court. So We'll see how his back holding up tomorrow. It's a longer climb. Btw, check out who's glue behind Roglic? Yep. Again. Mas. Mas so far IMO has been the most consistent of all GC rivals. I really think that he could win the Vuelta this time, if Roglic wobble again on back to back long climb. Saturday and Sunday are beast.
The big mountains are coming. 👊🦋⛰️🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋
@@ChrisHornerCycling I think the most dangerous stage for Roglič is Saturday. All other stages, there is alot of climbing, but they are shorter 150-175km. Saturday has 200km.....longer stages does not suit Primoz, especially now with back pain......
Thank you Chris😊
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‘Our man”
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Mas is looking so good, he might win La Vuelta but he needs a healthy gap to Roglic before the last Tt
I think the race is much interesting without the big three in it. I mean anyone can win this Vuelta and thats where the fun is 😂😅
Fun fact: According to his interview, George Bennett was more interested in the stage than in the GC and is still more interested in stages than in the GC.
He then needs to a a ‘bad’ day and lose 10 minutes and then he will find that the GC teams will let him into breakaways with no issue
Well they did allow him into a breakaway and yet he was not close to winning.
IF IPT wanted this stage they would be riding for Ricitello, not Bennett..
The young fella has more abilty to climb and breakaway himself than Bennett. He is just not tough enough yet to contend on GC.
My Man Victor Campenaerts!
Lil bit of love. Nice.
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Gall needs to support O’Connor better. If he had the legs to hang on at the back of that group coming across the line, then he had another km in him to pull Ben full gas earlier. Gall’s GC ambitions for 8th place are a joke. But then, AG2R are managed by a bunch of wimps so it doesn’t surprise me really. Glad Ben is moving on next year.
With Ben O'Connor in the red jersey, I'm betting that Pogcar, Jonas, and Remco are sitting on the Chesterfield kicking themselves. The Vuelta has been fun to watch, but any one of the top three could have won this tour.
True. But Roglic came in hurt. And well, they chose to stay home so we will never know. 🤪🦋👊
The body has limitations, it doesnt make sense to risk your riding future.
Was there any tactical reason for Victor's breakaway(s), or is he just channelling his inner Thomas de Gendt?
Some say Roglic has Back Pain
I say Roglic, he’s Back Again
But is Roglic full time. 🤔🦋👊🔥🇪🇸
Bora! Bora! Hans-Grohe
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The last 4 stages of this week the real deal will start,we'll see who is with legs to attack the red jersey and the podium ,gard stages, finishes on climb tops, and on the first stage after the 2nd rest day they have Lagos de Covadonga climb on stage finish !!!
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Mas and riglic are looking like going 1 and 2. O'Connor getting dropped today on a mild climb is not a strong look.
@@matthillard9363short climbs are not his favorites
Weird race indeed, really interesting though. Not sure George Bennett is a real GC threat. Commentators were keen to pump him up but I can't see him being in top 5 by the end of Vuelta. This race is a bit like the Chiapucci/Lemond Tour :) Adam Yates was behind Ben O'Connor so he's not stringing results together. Carapaz, maybe crash, losing a small amount. This race is much more enjoyable than Tour + Giro :)
Bennett is a good tough top 15 rider, and threat to top 10.
I would describe him as poor man's Landa.
Similar qualities just a couple of levels below.
Likely to yoyo back down GC and then get in another break next week.
But IPT are more likely to pull off a stage with Woods or Ricitello
Chris what are your thoughts on our man Victor Campernaets joining Visma next season ?
When there is a group of 30+ in breakaway do you need to be a bit sneaky (besides being strong) in order to not get spent and go for the win at the right time? Did you like Bora's DS strategy today with Martinez up front and Vlasov setting up the attack? Great coverage looking forward to tomorrow.
Bora played it correctly assuming they didn’t spend a ton of energy to get into the break. Normally I prefer my riders with me during a stage (the #1 rule on the T🦋E;). Putting three into the break is a bit much but I have seen it work out good so long as each rider wasn’t going crazy hard to get into that break. But I know 100% that it works out better more often if I keep my teammates near me. 🤔🦋👊
don't know if i missed it, but i wonder what Chris think about Victor going to Visma.
Go Ben.
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Matt👍 👊🦋🏆🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋👍
If lupine lights made a sub$100 light I’d buy it
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After this stage, I wonder if we won't see AG2R being a little bit rattled and raggedy, at least for a stage or two.
Looks like the race commissioners didn't agree with Chris about the road blocking by AG2r cause they handed out 3 yellow cards to them. O'Connor wasn't happy......
I saw that. I wasn’t so happy with them either after Bouchard went off on Rafferty. But the tree was in the way from are angle and maybe the UCI saw a different one. Or the UcI just used their harassment code. 🤔🦋👊
And EF didn’t even get a free kick.
@@ChrisHornerCyclingcan you explain the yellow card thing? When the @#*! did this turn into futbol?
👍🚴Steady,Steady...
Thanks Chris. In defence of the form of Ben and AG2R not being so good vs Primoz and Bora up that final short steep climb, AG2R had been working hard all day first controlling as much as they could the composition of the breakaway and then once it was formed and a large time gap appeared they were alone at the front of the peloton in trying to reduce the gap and it was only much later than other teams came to help when they realised that George Bennet was in the virtual #2 GC spot and they better help reduce the time gap.
Primoz and the Bora riders who stayed with him hid from the wind all day and those in the big breakaway did the minimum acceptable turns at the front of it and kinda coasted not particularly keen on helping the time gap to the peloton grow - now we know they did this they were all all part of a plan to regroup and put down the hammer on the final climb to put time into Ben who did well to keep it to only 36 secs
Would have interesting to see the beginning 60k. 🤔🦋👍
I wouldnt say losing 37 secondes on a 2,9 k climb is doing ‘’well’’. Not only that but he came in completly cooked unlike the other GC riders. Knowing than BOC cant TT, BOC has now only around 2.16 minutes buffer on Roglic if he wants to have a good shot at winning
@@cote-dubucraphael6235 I say he did well in that at one point it looked like the final gap would be as much as 60 seconds and he managed to claw back from that.
Did well?? Lucky it wasn't a cat 1 or roglic would have ripped that jersey of his back. I thought it lame he couldn't keep up considering he was protected all day. There are levels in this game and the media hype it up as though he has a chance. Chance in the top 10 maybe. Things are getting serious now. You just can't compare an O'Connor to a rog
I wonder if Primoz was a little off and couldn't drop Mas or if he wanted somebody to pull with him so chose to keep Enric around. He had Martinez up the road so it seems to me like he's not his usual Mas-dropping self. 🛋️🦋
Roglic is still not a 100%. Which is good for us fans. 🤔🦋👍
Roglic's balls are incrementally growing larger as we get further into the race... Question: Where can I get them Kona flat-bars you have on display with the lupine lights?
I have no idea. They got shipped to me that way. 🤔🦋
@@ChrisHornerCycling I looked, and looked sum-more, as far as I know they're unicorns: they don't exist... when they drop your sponsorship, hit me up and I'll mount them on something, lol. Meanwhile, I'll be eating 🍿on my Chesterfield. ☮
Feel so sorry for F. Gall. He is in fantastic shape, but because of a gifted time, now he has to work for his "leader" who can't hold on his wheel.. No surprise if he finish even ahead of O'Connor in the end.
Yep. Gall is stuck at the moment and no one yet knows exactly how good Ben will go. That’s the life you sign up for as a pro cyclist. First duty is the team results. Second is personal results. 🤔🦋
Gall is just as inconsistent as O’Connor
I've heard that it's against the rules to block the road. Is that true?
If it's not against the rules, is it then in the rules that you push someone of the road?
Tomorrow will be interesting.
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I'd love to hear the hosts thoughts on why teams and riders fall into strategic mistakes so commonly in bicycling? He calls it out a lot but I wonder if it's the heat of competition or interpersonal dynamics within the peloton, or team management not really understanding tactics. Seems like most sports are tactically very sophisticated these days, lots of information available and ways to analyze it, so why not in bike racing?
And shouldn't these riders be wearing costumes that look more like horse jockeys and are designed to help you differentiate and identify competitors? I know the costumes do promotional work but seems like they could do both pretty easy and the viewing experience would be much improved, imo. Host is impressive at identifying people, I find it harder.
Is it legal to block the road like that?
Sure. Not legal to crash someone, tho. But who knows what happened underneath the tree.
One rider and a DS were fined. That rider also lost KOM & sprint points as well being docked a few seconds in the GC. Two other riders were issued yellow cards.
Yes. But the UCI is cracking down on how it gets play out. So the riders better stay straight and hold their line. 😱🤔🦋
Bora Red Bull burned some big matches today on that last climb for just 37 seconds on O’Connor…. Hopefully they have enough matches left for tougher mountain stages to come.
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37 secondes on a 2,9 km climb is decent. BOC came in completly cooked, I am more worried for him than BOH
He lost 37 seconds on a bump. He'll get smoked over the next few days. He ain't top tier
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@@ogradar85 nope, wait till you see the real time gaps on Sunday!
I went to bed with 40km to go thinking the other teams would drain ag2r. I wake up a few hrs later and missed all the action thinking every stage from here too the rest was all geared for attacks. Couldn't see O'Connor getting dropped on a cat 2/3 at the end of the stage. This has been the best gt of the yr. Will not miss a stage now. Good to see Bennett get his due. O'Connor will be lucky to finish in the top 10 after today's effort. His team was bragging how they got this. Vlasov did a great job to launch primoz up to martinez who looks to be back to full health.
Campenaerts is a knucklehead... what was the point of that last attack, pull everyone for a few min, then blow up. I don't get it.
Camp was just getting air time so we could talk about him. He knew 100% what was going to happen. 😜🦋🎥
Imagine if RBH and Roglic will not able to close the gap with O'Connor at the end. They will surely regret that stage when they let him gain a lot of time. 😅
To be honest with you I think Roglic thinks that he needs to gain time on these short punchy climbs near the end of stages because he thinks Ben O'Connor will be better on the longer climbing mountain days, like he was the other day when Roglic struggled. In the end I think Roglic and Mas will be able to bring back this time, there's just too much climbing left and days like today. I also don't think Decathlon's tactics worked today, they should have let the gap to our a little more and saved their legs, that and maybe not even riden on the front so much if they didn't the legs, which obviously they didn't.
@@mattpotter8725 Agree. I'm still leaning more on Roglic winning this Vuelta. It just came to my mind if they lose 😅
It will certainly not be forgotten 😱🦋👊🔥
They will not regret it...the big gap was allowed for a reason and even the Chesterfield DS Horner is still clueless about this. Tactically this Vuelta has to be ridden differently. Bora took into account Roglič recovering from his back injury. Then they looked at the Vuelta profile before the start and saw 1 flat stage, 2 ITT's, the rest is hilly and mountainous. It's almost impossible to control that amount of hilly stages, like Roglič said. That turned out to be true.
Look at what happened these last few stages - AG2R let a huge break up the road twice now, because they simply can't control it. And this was just ordinary hilly terrain, we're not even in the big mountains yet. Attacking is easy, defending is hard, especially if you have a weak team and there are 10 GC guys attacking you left and right. And that is what will happen to AG2R - they'll be completely burnt out next week when the decisive stages start. By then, Roglič will slowly reduce the gap and have a relatively fresh team ready to defend in the last couple of stages.
@@GOlone9597 Yeh, I'm with you on this, I'd love Ben O'Connor to win the Vuelta, I'm just not sure he's good, consistent enough to do so, but I hope I'm wrong and he's just managing the time losses so he doesn't go into the red too often to have a really bad day and lose a lot of time, but we'll see.
The riders being blocked just need to make 'em mad by saying, "Scoot over, slow pokes." Or, "Y'all ain't no Victors, that's for sure." 😀
For all the talk of unwritten rules in the peloton, isn't it an actual written rule that riders may not block the road and keep others from advancing? Am I mistaken, or is that just the least enforced rule in the book?
The UCi have talked about that but as far as I know it’s not a rule yet. But the UCi did find a way to penalize some of them. 🤔🦋
@@ChrisHornerCycling Here's the rule I was thinking of:
6.1 Obstruction by a rider or vehicle in order to prevent or delay the movement of another rider or vehicle
Is this what the Decathlon riders' yellow cards were given for?
Edit: just read an article indicating that this is indeed the rule that was enforced. Imagine that--a written rule! 😱
triple team pursuit on the road.
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bravo eddie ! ag2r bad tactic , ben still in red ,for how long ?. bad mistake, blocking the road arguiing ,not letting bora do the job ! all this for loosing time.if they loose the vuelta , that will be because of this stage . my man showed up ! and keep an eye on Carapaz ! .good comment from hornerism !!! njoyvuelta "BLOCKERS GET BUMPED"
Primoz- smell the Blood.
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I'd like to thank Primoz for letting Ben have a four-minute lead. But now what's up with him trying to catch up? This is like drama between doctors on a soap opera. Such mischievousness from Dr. Coyote. 😀 .
Conor looks like the coolest leader as he is more relaxed and frankly more confident rider. Roglic is missing Seb kuss .
Rog just blew Kuss off his wheel today.
Rog will win if he stays healthy.
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Chris, a few questions - firstly was it just me who thought it was obvious what Bora were doing by sending some men up the road? Secondly, I know it's against your rules but shouldn't Decathlon AG2R not tried to do the same? If not how could they counter this? I thought Decathlon got their tactics all wrong, I thought they could have lost the break get even more time because they were always going to get some time back towards the end and they wouldn't have to do the work on the front, but maybe I'm wrong. Lastly can tell me what Valter and Kruisjswuijk were doing in the break? I thought they might be doing the same to drop back but no they just wasted their legs for tomorrow when they might be needed. Was this just more knuckleheadism? 🦋🦋🦋
Ag2R didn’t ride that hard on the front, at least what we saw on camera at 105k to go. There was only one rider up the road Xandro and he was gaining time (6mins) all day while he was out there. W/O seeing the beinging of the race I would say Ag2R rode good tactically but they just didn’t have good legs for the final. It happens and we have to remember that it has happened many times with Ag2R in the past, even when they just sit in the wheel and follow all day long. At just about every big stage race they do. 🤔🦋👊
Knucklehead count: 3
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Victor C needs to trademark “my man” ASAP losing way to many royalties.
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O’Connor might crack, used a lot of energy in solo run. But does that mean Roglic has it won? Mas seems very strong…
Mad will keep things tight. 👊🦋🇪🇸
Few people will cut George Bennett a break after He did Jeremy Yates dirty @ Tour of the Southland NZ
Tour of Southland. I did that race. I had a great time there. 👊🦋❤️🇳🇿
Very good analysis, though not a bad day for O Connor 37 seconds top 10 normal day. Not gonna be in top legs all the 13 mountains stages. Watch Yates flying again soon. Roglic was normal bad is when you lose 3 mts up I guess
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I root for Ben but i am not optimistic. On a short climb he is not even in the first chasing group. The way it’s going, at the end of the race he is likely to find himself behind not only Roglic but Mas and Carapaz as well.
BBBOBT = BID BAD BEN ON BORROWED TIME . . . Tick Tock Tick!
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Listening to Chris Horner on the Butterfly Effect, it becomes ever harder to endure the utter nothingness of the live commentary as the stages are being ran. The rank nonsense you hear like riders "coming to the party" illuminates absolutely nothing of what is going on in the race strategically, tactically or in terms of potential outcomes. The so-called post-stage analysis which follows is even worse, and educates you on absolutely nothing, playful chatter seeming rather to be the sole of the object of the humdrum. Thank you Chris!
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God it’s becoming increasingly difficult to follow you when all you want to blab about is my main man Victor blah blah,it would be nice if you showed a little parity and talk about at least another rider or ten instead of Victor Victor Victor,you’re becoming redundant and hard to watch.
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Is that you Jan Brady? Marcia, Marcia, Marcia! 😉