I'm Out of a Job If 100% Pedestrian City Works with Zero Traffic!!!
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Love your videos!
Cant stop giving my ped zones a shave after watching this, penny pitching
This would be a great way to build a Venice inspired city.
Well I remembered to get the two content packs through your HumbleBundle links at least!
Call the city WalkabiliTea and make this a mini series for all the new DLC & CCPs assets. That'd be nice and relaxing to watch with a cup of tea. 😁
Agreed
Lol nice name
Sounds good! Like the name
WalkabiliTea sounds percect! 🥰👍👍
Would that have to be Australian or New Zealand themed?
IRL the upfront cost of pedestrianising is huge, but the maintenance cost is negligible. It really pays off in the long run. They should just reflect this in game.
I was thinking the same thing. It didn't make sense to me that a pedestrian only area would be so expensive. All you're doing is removing cars, which don't make money and only cause damage to roadways overtime which costs money.
Plus, even though the upfront cost to 'pedestrianizing' an already car-focused area is large, building a pedestrian focused area from the start - where you don't have to change infrastructure - should be cheaper no?
Now make this a full series.
Lol😂
Please
Yes
More to come 👍😁
@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines Never doubted for moment 😁
The theme you selected for your district doesn't include any comercial buildings, so none of your comercial zones are filling in. Other than that, great stuff!
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I kept waiting for Biffa to realise it and call himself a Bonehead ;)
This bothered me the whole time. Glad he acknowledged your comment and can now fix it. Will definitely give the boost in money that the city needs.
@@MHeck-iu8ct *bone'ed ;p
All of a sudden I don't feel bad. I started a new city on ultra-vanilla, otherwise known as PS4 console edition, and this was the most difficult start to a a city. I had to grind to make it profitable (2-3 hrs) Glad to see Biffa having issues also. Interesting new dynamic
I feel like with this much walkability city must be very dense and everything should be in walking distance (obviously). My idea for this is to make like blocks with everything people will need (residental, shops, services) and offices can be dotted around the city.
And use public transport to connect different parts of the city, as even the most dense city will no longer be completely walkable when it's somewhat large
I still wish that Paradox is doing something for multi-use zoning. Will have to wait for this to go on sale, but I can definitely see this improving traffic flow and help with creation of larger city blocks.
Well, although Paradox themselves aren't doing anything, there are mods that allow for it on PC if you want. Haven't really tested out the mixed-use buildings yet but I do have a few downloaded and waiting.
I wonder if realistic population could help
Did they explain why walkable zones need such high maintenance?
Surely multi-ton vehicles stress roads way more than tiny humans?
Not in love with that design choice
@@photoo848 i was also thinking that
@@photoo848I think it's a balancing mechanic, the benefit is you get bonus land value
The paths between the main city and the industrial area would've been such a good Parklife cheese. Granted, you'd probably need to turn the main road into a highway, but that's a small price to pay.
The Spiffing Brit sips his Yorkshire Tea with glee.
@@TPixelAdventures lmao. I know I once got a Parklife cheese to make me almost $2 million/week. $1 million/week is fairly doable with mods if you do it right.
Crazy... I started a map with a similar concept last night... Bored since the mod situation. It does actually work quite well and traffic is sitting at 97% no issues, got every public transport system laid out with all routes to the city centred in one hub and expanding out. Less to do but satisfying!
Have other players been having issues trying to play with mods recently? I thought it might have just been a me problem (just upgraded to a gaming computer so decided to dive in to the game for the first time in a while)
@@MrHTH38 Yeah, the latest update broke most mods... There's updates and fixes out/on the way now though so it should all be back to working soon enough... Vanilla works fine, just a bit wonky with mods.
I have been thinking same thing without knowing there are new dlcs
@@hooperssmokeshackbbq4827 Can't you revert back to the previous update?
I absolutely love the new roads that came with this update. FINALLY as a console player I can utilize new one way roads, and new 6 lane road designs as well as set up a very nice bus system.
Wow, Cities Skylines is getting so realistic now, even comes with Cost Of Living Crisis now 🤣
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Not to mention, comes with local authorities spending all the ratepayer's money on pet projects, and neglecting basic infrastructure...
The huge costs for pedestrian zones is very unrealistic, as IRL the pedestrian zones (or low-on-cars zones we call them in the Netherlands) are much, much cheaper to maintain...
@@lor7780 devils advocate: no car taxes to pay for maintenance, so the money has to come out of public budgets
@@Habdabi The funny part is, even WITH taxes from cars, fuel, etc, the cars and roads are still subsidised ;-) Low-on-car or even car-free zones are absolutely, by far, the cheapest to build and maintain. Sadly, there exists no country in the world that actually makes a profit out of people having cars :-(
That's why having a city designed for free public transport is still cheaper than a city designed for cars. Sad, but true. Makes you wonder why cities don't design for it, if it's actually the cheapest option, right? Hint: politics and lobbying.
@@lor7780 I agree lol, just trying to provide a possible answer for the gameplay decisions to stop pedestrian zones being op
The way in which you were forced to build a industrial area in order to get to IT clusters could be thought of like going through the ages. You started the game in the 1800-1900 after the industrial revolution and then as you build you are advancing through 1900-2000 and then once your city is fully pedestrianized you can consider that time period 2000-2100. You could even take this further by having a large part of the map be flooded and have the city have a whole bunch of canals to account for rising sea levels. Maybe even go even further and get a bunch of assets from the workshop which really sells the rising sea level aspect, having houses on pillars and even houses that float on water.
I think it would be great to be able to have a pedestrian only area serviced by metro for longer walking distances, much how NYC is basically. Most people just walk everywhere either by foot or use the subway for further distances. same goes for downtown DC
I just started a city with these features! My inspiration was actually The Line project that the Saudi Arabians want to do. Getting from one part of the city to the next is completely done by metro or walking/biking. City services work perfectly anyway because they tree the walkways like roads anyway. The only services I have outside of the pedestrian zone are Water and Electricity. I am loving the lack of car traffic and gridlock!
@@Mikejo2603 i’ve seen it. But its only a concept. The concept also looks very unrealistic to make happen since it would require technology we just don’t have yet and it would also make poverty vs rich privilege even worse because who are going to live on the lower level of the city? The poor. The rich will get the upper level’s because that is likely to be higher in demand/price. No one wants to live in darkness without getting to see sunlight. The design is just a fantasy, Saudi Arabia just trying to show the world they are better than us because they have all our money from the oil they sell.
Rant over
Yup a walkable city should go Train>subway>bus>bike>walking by decreasing order of distance traveled and only offer access for cars in areas not served by these within reasonable distance.
My city Rennes, France has been doing a lot of improvement to subways and cycling routes recently and I don't even need a car anymore now (the savings *_*) it's been great!
When you erazed your Industry i was like, wth is he doing, when you noticed what you did saying how you carefully thought about it, i choked laughing 😂 thanks for that biffa🤣 my goodness me. i can't. 😅 anyway what i wanted to say is, remember when you build up your offices that IT clusters produce goods but have less work spaces.
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I think he's just emulating COVID times. All jobs got turned off. And.... then back on. 😀
He joined the green party.. We don´t need industry.. they polute and bring smelly industrial workers to town. Just import everything
A cool merch idea could be city branded shirts and hoodies for the cities you have made. Like those shirts you get at vacation gift shops. You could design a city emblem and a slogan. Like “New Tealand - A city so hot, it’s always on fire.” Or “Missisipatea - The best city east of Teaville.” I’m sure the comment section could come up with better slogans.
Biffa really went the whole episode and never saw that the retail districts in the walkable areas weren't placing any buildings down 😭
I think its down to the district theme he put on top of the ped district, glad I wasn't the only one to notice
Can't wait for the next video. I really wanna see this no traffic city and how it all plays out. I don't have the DLC quite yet but watching you first will probably save me alot of headache anyway. Always learning new things from Traffic Professor Biffa.
It's so awesome you did this video and show your struggles. . I struggled with the exact same thing haha.. . I found it easy to build 1 small area not pedestrianised untill you av a good 10 k in your city .. than convert it and you will find you money stays in a profit
I learned that you can box in various industries, normal, DLC, and specialized; if you give them cargo outlets like trains or harbors they will work. That means no highway access or access to streets. A closed loop. Those cargo spots offload to another area and then into warehouses, the warehouse zone is fine to link into the main spine of the pedestrian service areas if it is near a highway. Then everything just goes onto the highway after its been sorted. You can import people with busses, metros, and monorails. NO MORE CHAOS! If a zone is overproducing you can flick its warehouse off in the warehouse zone and it will shut down till you can sort out a new export route.
Ah! The video I was waiting for!
Waiting for you to work your magic through to the end of the video, of course, but even if it works for you, you’re especially skilled, and I imagine you will still have to sort out other people’s pedestrian traffic.
In a separate save you can try to completely pedestrianize Mississippitea or Blighty. See what happens to traffic and income
I am loving this already - hope this becomes a series.
Really great to have you experimenting with the new DLC & CCPs - Looks amazing!
Oh, the way the pool drops for the Mid-Century construction; a nice touch.
Build a park on the long walking path and make money that way! Good video!
Im evil and i monetized all my pedestrian paths muahahaha
A very abstract idea that was fun to see! Thanks!
I built a pedestrian zone and it caused a map wide commercial economic collapse for some reason. Half my commercially zoned buildings all ran out commercial goods soon after i built the pedestrian zone. My pedestrian cargo service point doesn't seem to like to supply any pedestrian commercial buildings either.
Yeah there's some balance issues, as you will see 👍
Absolutely wonderful video 👍😊🌞😎. I can't wait to try this DLC myself 😁
Great video. Really interesting idea too. Really excited to see how it goes.
This challenge would give Jeremy Clarkson an aneurysm. Please continue.
I watched you in 2019 and I just got back into it... Great Content!
Was waiting for you to play this !!
One think you need to remember you can put any zoned industry (including zoned industry specialisations). You can also assign pedestrian zones with any industry, commercial, office and residential district specialisation such as sustainable, local produce, farming etc. The only thing you need a district zone for would be themes.
The only think I can see can’t do is mix and match other special areas like industry dlc areas, campus areas and park life areas.
Brave man Biffa trying no industry. I took the cheap way out and just zoned industry in my pedestrian area and put a large cargo point by it. Traffic is a little wonky while I figure that out, but thanks for the IT cluster idea.
Super excited for this series, you got this Biffa
I was wondering why I was losing money making my city pedestrian.. I dudt know theres a matiance for it haha.. bloody hell
I've skipped watching anything with this new DLC, untill Biffa's come out with a video about it and you did not disappoint!!
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21:59 literally corner cutting to save a quid, love it!
Great video thanks for making this, would love to see how this turns out!
I guess the old people can walk until they drop 😢
I do live somewhere where there's a lot of old people and they love to walk, even with the bad sidewalks and safety issues. A different generation, I guess!
But some buses and trams could be more realistic, crossing the area every 4 city blocks.
>Deletes all industrial without a replacement to make city pedestrian only
you should become a politician, you're a natural
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Thank you for a great episode, señor Biffa! Looking forward to the next one, take care!
It's more beautiful than I expected it!
They need to lower the cost of the new ped infrastructure to encourage the use of it.
Irl its way cheaper than stuff for cars anyway
A couple months ago I made a pedestrian only city using TMPE road restrictions (very tedious). It created some interesting unique challenges! I still needed traffic management for emergency vehicles and trucks and such. I had to rely extremely heavily on public transit which was really neat.
People still needed to access their jobs, but couldn't be too close to commercial/industrial areas due to pollution/noise. The no-cars rule made balancing those requirements much harder (and more interesting IMO). It's kind of a bummer that the DLC/service building make things easier rather than harder.
I'd love to see a mini-series of this style of city! I really enjoyed building out my city.
I made this comment before finishing the video! The pedestrian only city looks pretty tricky to maintain! Great video.
lol reminds me of my building always being broke and barely lasting 🤣 I really like the pedestrian district. Going to have to start a new game soon and try it out!! Think I'll do unlimited money tho lol Great job showing us all about it. A soon to be series I hope?
You should convert one of your old cities to pedestrian only
They done some nice updates 😂,
You git to love this game ..
Good vid
Man lies... you can absolutely put industry zoning on pedestrian roads lol
Had no idea at the time, but next video we explore more 👍
Love to see how this goes :) hoping for a big city
Ive been looking forward to watching you play the new DLC Biffa 😁
This was really enjoyable, thanks man.
When you said you wanted to zone your town into pedestrian only I was thinking, no he wouldn't do it all at one go. And you did lol. Oh boy he's going to be in a world of pain, I thought. Lesson learnt from it, I do it one or two streets at a time, making sure those wouldn't break the road network.
I wonder if you did all 5 specialized industries, would a ped city actually work? So you would have regular roads connecting the specialized industries and the things that cannot be placed on ped roads, then the rest of the city would be ped only with offices providing any additional industry needs.
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@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines it would be a pretty unique city, with an industrial square that has your only drivable roads. Then you could use things like the Old Market Station and the Old Market Street as pathways between the areas.
FewCandy did this with Forest industry in a video you can see on her channel, it was pretty successful 👌
Me watching Biffa doing a pedestrian city: "why so many cul de sacs and grids? Pedestrian surely don't need that."
Hahaha loving this!
Bit surprised you didn't work towards some form of planned layout. Like how you'd hope city planners would do it with a perfect vision and not just adding onto existing areas...
I think an collector road surrounding a (mostly) pedestrian zone was already a nice idea before the dlc. With money I'd look to optimise the area that necessary services give, which probably leads to districts with centers full of stuff that justs costs money but makes people happy. There are probably various patterns to mix of commercial and residential, maybe a ring around the center.
Like the industry zone, I'd keep a "cash cow area" just so long as it's needed, and look to replace it later. Either with something more efficient or with something ok-ish that just looks nice or fits the theme.
Hey Biffa great vid hope this becomes a series.
I think the comercial area has to be next to a bigger road because none of them are moving in exept nect to the big ones.
Greatings from Germany❤
It would be cool to try and recreate Barcelona. Having a grid city, in which there are 3x3 blocks in which cars are not allowed.
I was sure you were gonna make a “park walkway” that would’ve worked as a pedestrian toll road. Something like the High Line in NYC that connects Chelsea Market to Hudson Yards. Maybe next video?
12:40 police car: "hahaha, walking area. I AM THE LAW." 😆
😂 I start also the same map, with the same thinking… only pedestrian 👍🏻
Please continue this episode as series 🙏🏻
Great Episodes as usual, greetings from 🇬🇷
Wow I don’t think I have ever laughed so much to one of your videos. Great video biffa
I would love to live in such cities. It is will be so noise free.
5:30 by increasing the budget beyond 100% you are making the whole electricity infrastructure less cost-effective. yes, you get more power but you are paying too much for it. and the further you go away from 100%, the worse it gets. better build more wind turbines and keep the budget near 100% because that's where it is most cost-effective (lowest cost per kWh). and yes, that applies to the other services too.
BTW, why don't you use the autobudget mod?
I never heard of the auto budget mod. I gotta check this out
I haven't played Cities since February. And, back then I even was starting a "As close to no traffic at all with mostly pubic transport" city. Now this new DLC is perfect.
HOWEVER, I feel as soon as I start playing again, I will fall back into a rabbit hole. And I am not making not any money out of playing it. xD
I was waithing for your new video. You are the best youtuber ever.
if you want the office thing to work you'll need a university. Offices employ mostly educated and highly educated workers.
14:55 As far as I can tell, tax complaints are based solely on building level. That is, you can get away with 14% at level 1, 13% at level 2 CI or 3 R, and 12% at level 3 CI or 5 R.
23:33 Import only does work but there is a throttling mechanic that kicks in around 9k-10k goods imported and, without mods, you can't import more than around 13k.
31:04 Good to see Colossal Order is as stingy with map resources as ever.
„Let’s make sure I got the wrong one“-Biffa 2022
Watching this video the day my whole town is in "no-car" day ! :D
Biffa needs to puts way more public transports..
I feel like you could use train and cargo ship terminals to closed loop industrial areas that do not connect to any other road networks and that would still basically be car free.
Biffa, time to do a venice type city. Canals based, no cars.
No way can’t have that biffa, but I’m loving this and having a 😂 can’t wait for new pc lol
Love your vids! Cheers from cold, wet, and windy Adelaide, Australia!
I'm in Adelaide too! Try not to blow away in this wind. 😅
@@zaerinelle1513 I know right! absolutely crazy up here in the hills (Blackwood, Belair area) had 60km/h gusts the other day.
You aren't getting any commercial in your district in the walking area, because there's no shops included in the theme you applied. You can fix this without getting rid of the theme: just add the shops you want to the theme
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"So how is it like to live in Biffa's town?"
"Well, I can't complain..."
ur a fookin legend m8. love ur vids
you should have made that path to the industry area a park with high prices to pass
City name suggestions:
Mil-walkie
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Walking Unemployed a new television series👍😜😉😁
Biffa you are mad .. and im loving it :)
doesnt this need dense housing in order for it to be remotely profitable? those mid century houses could fit 100 people in the same spot of land
no because the increase land value gives more tax income
pedestrian only roads cost less than normal roads in real life
Regarding the mods, this update broke almost all widely used mods and new ones are getting developed, and till everything goes into some balance, there will still be a lot of issues for many people. I almost lost all of my saves, and didn't figure out what exactly caused it. Thankfully after some mods and assets unsub, it goes fine now.
Nevertheless, a great challenge you started right at the beginning 😁 And yes, removing all of industry instantly isn't viable, never 😛. Taught it the hard way, what seems to be self-explanatory.
Amazing, maybe high-rise buildings will help since you can put more people into the same place.
Commercial is not going to grow in while the district theme is mid century modern buildings only, there are no mcm commercial buildings. But yes looking forward to more episodes on this. :-)
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@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines you’d figured that one out though obviously and I’m stating the obvious of course lol. You’ll be glad to know I wasn’t ‘shouting at my screen’ lol.
I was thinking, probably the pedestrian area can be applied just to the streets, parks and services related to the new update, technically you could save some money if you do not want the new themed buildings🤔
Help, the Sugar Ban is so funny. Candy Bar smuggling xD
"I kinda feel like I didn't put a lot of thought into that...."
Absolute LOL moment.
At least I was honest 🤣
I've been excited to see some P&P content!
Hey Biffa, you know that moon base you built a couple of months ago. That would be a perfect city to be pedestrianized, because people really don't drive cars on the moon
A super modern city high tech city build would be great to see
I wouldn't worry too much. While car traffic may not be a thing potentially, there is still the problem with managing pedestrian traffic.
I KNEW somebody was going to try this
Finally it's what I've always wanted
I need episode 2 of this immediately!
Soon 😁
It’s bizarre to me that the game decided pedestrian streets cost way more than highways.
Who’s going to tell Biffa that there were no commercial buildings in the mid-century modern theme when it was selected for the pedestrian zone? That explains why none every built in around those plazas and why the money didn’t go up more after that.
Ain't we all glad Biffer's not the UKs new Chancellor of the Exchequer? "Shut all the factories NOW"