Titus is a lot more expressive and cynical than he was 200 years ago because.... While it is implied Leandros called the Inquisition out of good intentions and genuinely thought Titus would be given a fair trial, Inquisitor Thrax, the guy who picked Titus up from Graia, was notoriously paranoid (even by Inquisition standards) and distrust of Space Marines in general, thus had ZERO intention of finding out if Leandros' accusation is true or not. As far as Thrax was concerned, any SM who were touched by the Warp, is a heretic and had to be brutally questioned. Titus spent 100 year in Thrax's custody where he was kept in stasis whenever he wasn't getting mind probed or interrogated. Ultramarines demanded Titus to be properly tested for corruption and return to the chapter, but Thrax always insisted he had to be sure. Turned out the Emperor had a sense of humor when Thrax himself ended up getting possessed by a daemon during a crackdown on renegade chapter and his Grey Knight retinue summary executed him before the daemon could fully manifest. Another Inquisitor and Red Hunters Space Marine Chapter kill team were sent to investigate and found Titus and a number of astartes were kept prisoner. Instead of turning them back to the Inquisition, said Inquisitor instead handed them to Deathwatch. After a series of evaluation by chaplain of the Watch, Titus was deemed uncorrupted and fit for duty, however, he decided to serve as a Blackshield under an alias as an act of penance despite his proven loyalty. Source: White Dwarf 498
"There may be questions, suspicions. I cannot afford discord among the men, not now. Please keep the reason you've been a Blackshield for a century a secret so that they will draw their own conclusions. I'm sure this will cause no issues. Anyway, say hi to our resident Chaplain, who consults the Codex Astartes to determine if it's time to use the bathroom. You'll love him."
Seen in that light, it's the least reasonable thing the man did the whole story. I think I can forgive him that one screw up. It was so damn nice having a reasonable marine commanding for once.
I think it was an attempt to try to keep things running smoothly in a high tempo operation with extreme risk factors. Misjudged, but he’s also clearly under a lot of stress trying to manage all this. So I think this small error can be understood
I´m still waiting for the moment Guilliman grabs his own book, the biggest, most elaborate written volume and smacks every single one of his sons who humps said book in their free time into the next milenium with a whack of same said book, as they deserve and he would point out every single time that the damn thing is not to be taken literal.
Meanwhile Chairon is 10k years old because he was on Calth during the Word Bearers betrayal Unless it's an oversight, Cawl probably snatched him when he was young and put him on stasis until he got primaris right
Guilliman ordered the Primaris Project after the Heresy during his reforms. All candidates were placed into stasis until Guilliman, who at this point was taking a corrupted Warp knife nap for 10k years, ordered them to be implemented. Oh and it isn't just children from after the Heresy, it is children throughout the 10,000 years until Guilliman's awakening, that Cawl claimed for the Primaris Project.
Many of the first Primaris were put into stasis with virtual simulations to "train" them for their new positions. Fun fact, during those simulations, whenever they "died", they'd just be put back into another scenario. A lot of the early Primaris thought they were immortal at first, and were, in fact, not.
@@samuelspry6955 Well he can't have been too new. He was in the Captain's command squad which is an elite position, meaning he'd have had to have gone through the entire process of becoming a full battle-brother, serving as a devastator, then an assault marine, then a tactical marine.
i have only seen cutscenes so far but it seems like the devs did as much as they could to establish that chairon has the ability to sense chaos. not actively but good enough to be of use.
@@2shae475 seems like theres little bit more to him than that. more a sense of unease when the level of chaos within a certain distance to him rise over a certain level. in the cutscene where titus is accused of being a traitor chairon holds his fire until he knows whos the real traitor and then fires.
@@Irobert1115HD not really, he said it himself that he's no stranger to chaos since the Word bearers attacked his homeworld calth during the start of the horus heresy (yes that means he's 10,000 years old)
@@Bass-ef3dr well technically, but he was in stasis that whole time. He only actually has a couple of decades of combat experience, compared to Titus’ centuries.
yeah you actually see them increase from 2 to 4 from SM 1 to SM 2 showing its been 100 years between games. Its also a personal choice to get them and has become less popular with space marines over time.
In case anyone's curious, there are dreadnought pilots who are thousands of years old. Originally regular Space Marines, they are now entombed within the Dreadnought carapace until killed. Bjorn the Fell-Handed from Space Wolves was over 10 thousand years old and fought in Horus Heresy (biggest 40k civil war).
And is one of the last sane people in the imperium of that age who remembers the Big E, the Primarchs, and everything that happened (give or take, depending on if he was Fenris or Terra-born, I’ll admit I don’t remember which)
It’s confirmed in Space Marines 1 he was 175 with 2 gold studs so it looks like for him, gold studs are 50 years of service making him 275 with 4 gold studs. edit: Please read the following replies and please comment on any more lore entry and community insight to correct me 🙏🏽 ty brothers and sisters of the imperium and also to you the mutant, the heretic and the alien 💪🏽
Titus is actually older then that. Apparently according to the wiki, he spent a century with the inquisition, and another in the Deathwatch. That would ramp him up to 375 at least.
@@williamhanna9718 depends on the chapter, some are 50 years for gold studs others are 100 years, I believe for the Ultramarines its 50 years for gold 10 for silver service studs
Even though most marines don't live to 200, he still young for a space marine. They just simply don't get to live to the point where age would kill them. There is even a canon event where Salamander space marines stumble upon a crashed heresy era Salamander ship and find a brother in there who is still alive but his body had been atrophied to the point that he had been immobilized for thousands of years. His mind and memories were broken but they learned his name: Gravius. And that mofo didn't die from old age, he died because the planet erupted into a massive lava sphere and Salamanders couldn't take him with them because his armor had fused to the captain chair that he was sitting on. And also, when Tau took down a dreadnought, they were shocked to the core when they discovered that the mech AND the pilot was over 6000 years old - much older than their entire civilization.
Titus is over 400 years old. Gild studs indicate 100 years of service. The reason he remarks 200 is because thats how long the primaris have existed for.
Leandros didn’t have any studs during the first game, but had 2 in the second. Being as Titus only served 100 years in the deathwatch, that means each stud is 50 years not 100.
Demetrian Titus was born on Tarantus approximately 600ish.M41 and fought in the Battle of Macragge hence his knowledge in fighting Tyranids. In fact given his four gold service studs he is likely older than Cato Sicarius and is likely one of the oldest non Dreadnought Ultramarines alive save for Calgar and Cassius.
40K tech probably has all sorts of tiny, irrelevant things (to the main lore) that stop infections around sore, open wound-looking implants. A combination of jamming it in, letting on-board A.I. adjust itself and various ointments around wounds, alongside the habitat of a spaceship probably being hyper-filtered for infections in the first place means they don't need to follow usual protocols.
Chairon is technically one of the eldest Ultramarines in service. With Calth being an opening play of The Horus Heresy, Chairon is technically Ten Thousand Years old. A majority of that time may have been in Stasis, but that makes him older than Dante, Chapter Master of The Blood Angels and even some of Dreadnoughts.
"Technically" is the key here, he was for the most parts in stasis that locks time for all intense and purpose, so when he awoke he was still actually only that same child that he was when he first got locked into stasis. Same goes actually also for Dreadnaughts and most Chaos Marines. Only exception to this would be the "uncrowned princes" the first batch of Dark Angels that got tangled up with the fallen that are actually that old and have been active since before the dawn of the Imperium itself. A funny thing in this is that there are actually many Legionaires that are older than their father Primarch, like for example Azhek Ahriman being physically born a couple of years before Magnus got created
@@IceLizardsUnited Either trolling or you have no idea... It's well established that during the early era of the Dark Age of Technology, (M21 - M26), He made a pilgrimage to the world of Moloch and entered into the Realm of Chaos itself & made his (in)famous treatise with the Dark Gods themselves. No one knows what happened exactly, only that when He returned, His psychic powers had been greatly enhanced, and He had "acquired" additional knowledge which would be used later on to help create the Primarchs.
The studs mean 10 50 or 100 years depending on traditions and chapter. What we know for certain is that he was 175 years old in game (2 gold 1 silver) and between game 1 and 2 a century took place so he is at least 225-249 years old (on 250 he would get an additional silver one). But it seems to be very individual if you get these at all.. all comes down to writing and whoever is in charge of the writing..
5:04 I wish they patched up Titus’s dialogue where he is actually confident about his past victory in Graia. I don’t get why he’s mum about it. Not asking him to be bombastic about it but be confident about what you did.
Bro he hates it because despite saving the planet he was all but branded a traitor by a blind little pissant and made to serve as a Black Shield for 200 years, he also lost one of his closest brothers.
Much like what @Cruddyhorse said, the Inquisitors overstepped the Chapter Master and accused Titus' survival to be heretical, or Chaos-linked in nature. In previous scenes, his new Captain and the skull-wearing Marine similarly tell Titus to keep mum about it as if anyone learned his true nature as a Black Shield (think of it like being court martialed, and fired but forced to still serve), no one would trust him. Titus' best course of action was to not say anything in hopes of not incurring any discord, as per the Captain's orders.
if you spend 100 years being tortured for exceptional service and then have to spend another 100 serving isolated in disgrace with a suicide squad im pretty sure you'd want to repress and forget what happened
Because he was accused by both an Inquisitor and his own Brother of being a traitor. Then he got kidnapped by that Inquisitor, a man who hates Astartes as he regards them as mutants, and tortured him as he already believed Titus to be guilty and he just needed to find evidence of that guilt. Titus believed that his Chapter abandonded him for the believe of him being a heretic and he got depressed for putting shame to the name of the Ultramarine Chapter. What he of course didnt knew is that Calgar himself lodged an official complained with the Highest Echelons of the Inqusition inlcuding a direct complained to the Inquisitor representative within the High Council which lead to an investigation where even many within the Inqusistion themselves agreed with the complained. Later it was discovered the Inquisitor went a bit too deep into the Warpsouce and got himself possed by an daemonic entity and killed by Grey Knights. A Inquisitorial strike force was dispatched to investigate his holdings where Titus and many others where found - and inturn investigated where almost all where proven innocent. Titus still believing he shamed the Ultramarines requested to be inducted into the Death Watch under a new identity. Remember he was 2nd Captain, one of the highest ranks of an founding Legion Chapter, if he was suspected of being a traitor and heretic, even just that could be enough to seriously do damage towards the entire Adeptus Astartes branch.
Warhammer can be quite ruff to get into but once you get the basic idea of the horus Hersey, the primarchs and the other xeno factions you'll start to understand the story. There are plenty of lore channels that will help you with that I recommend weshammer and major kill as they are my favorites and they helped me get into warhammer.
@@duolingothefourth3096 second those 2. both are the most genuine when it comes to being expressive about 40K. the other lorehammers are either one-of-a-kind proffessionals (Luetin09), lazy content creators (onemindsyndicate) or straight up cringelords (Arch).
The relationship between primaris and first born marines isn’t the best. First bornes believing the primaris are to replace them like they did with the thunder warriors. So I’d assume the two types don’t particularly fancy another
@@knavehonsaccording to lore, Smurfs used gold to indicate a century. Of course Sergeant who is a much younger Primaris may not be aware of that specific detail.
@BlueShift24 "When the English heard the French pronunciation of "lieutenant", they may have perceived a slurring between the first and second syllables, which they heard as a "v" or "f" sound." The British just misheard. G
depends on chapter culture. They stated he is 200+ years old in SM2. In SM1 he had 2 dots and 100+ years old. With this regard we can assume he is 200+.
iirc the number of years depends on the faction. Ultramarines' gold studs represent 50 years of service and silver studs represent 25. But some say he is atleast 300 years old since his days in the inquisition didn't count. So correct me if I'm wrong here, I'm not that knowledgeable of the lore.
Four studs mean he served for full 400 years already, may as well be 499 years old, I don't know if they count years before becoming space marine, if so he could be even about 515 years old.
Something I'm a little confused about. Chairon specifically mentions having been a boy on Calth "when the Word Bearers attacked". The only attacks I can find related to Calth are the battle of Calth near the start of the Heresy (something which specifically involved the Word Bearers and some Daemons), and more recent attacks by the Tyranids. Chairon has no service pins, and it's noted that Titus couldn't have been a Primaris to begin with because of his service pins putting him at being at least 200 years old. So Chairon was present for an event that occurred nearly 10,000 years ago, but doesn't seem to have the age or experience to match that. I know Cawl was sitting on a fair number of Marines he kept in stasis. Is this supposed to imply Chairon was frozen that entire time, and that Cawl had at the very least the early stages of Primaris Ascension figured out that far back, and presumably what he'd do was start the process, freeze people till he figured the next couple steps out, warm them up to continue before putting them back in, continue till he'd gotten a finished process before stuffing them back into storage until Bobby gave the okay to let em loose?
He is a full made Primaris, therefore most of that 10k years, he was in statis. Experience wise, Titus outrank Chairon with at least 200 years of service.
@@mediumtext8038 This is quite fascinating, how do the Primaris feel, growing up in the times shortly after the Horus Heresy and now waking up in this very different Imperium 10k years later.
@@mediumtext8038 its funny cuz 200 years felt like a long time in fallout. if titus ever heard about fallout universe he would simply say "thats cute bro, im twice that. in fact by the time im old, im pretty sure you all would have forgotten your world was devastated.
Titus: Lieutenant Titus reporting for duty. 2 seconds later Acheran: You’re a lieutenant now. Will that be a problem? Titus: Um… yes I know. I literally just introduced myself as “Lieutenant Titus.” remember? Like less than a minute ago.
Acheran knows Titus's service record. He wasn't promoting him, he was asking him if he had any reservations about his demotion. Because if he did, he'd probably end up back in the Deathwatch since Acheran and Calgar wouldn't put up with that shit.
@@Stargazzer811 Calgar? Maybe he would, he seems to have a soft spot for him. Acheran at least at the beginning of the game where he still doesn't know what kind of person he is? Absolutely not
4 golden studs means 400 years right? Since Silver studs = 50 years Gold studs = 100 years Titus has 4 gold studs so he has been serving the emperor for 400 years?
Just for those who are wondering. The correct spelling is "lieutenant" in English, but it is pronounced "leftenant" in the UK. In the US, it is pronounced "lootenant".
titus has 4 gold studs, making him over 400 years old. silver studs would mean half a century or 50 years while gold are a century or 100 years. chairon didnt see they were gold soo 200 is only wrong in a sense that hes past it.
@@tatsunithelennyking2540 Titus was born around 640ish.M41 and fought in the Battle of Macragge hence his Tyranid knowledge, hes at least 350 years old.
@@fludblud it would make sense though that he wouldn't "earn" a service stud for his 100 years under stasis from the inquisition. Remember, those are SERVICE studs, not birthday ones.
Guilliman and Cawl gotta make a fuckton more geneseed and a fuckton of primaris/terminator gear and just turn all the guardsmen into primaris. Even if 99% of them die in the conversion, having 1% of the guard become primaris would be a better survival rate and go from a few hundred thousand space marines to like a trillion.
It isn't a big deal for Space Marines to be over 200 years old. They're merely saying that his age means he isn't Primaris and that he couldn't be Captain Titus because no one could survive what happened to him. Several Space Marines are over 200 years old though. Caiaphas Cain and Commisar Yarrick are regular humans that lived to be more than 200 years old.
The only complaint I have so far is the walking and running animations. Its too stiff and lumbering. As if the animators were thinking about how humans would move in that heavy armor, but these arent humans. They're post-human space marines and they are often described in the lore as shockingly fast and graceful in their armor. They are able to go from a standstill to a 50 mph sprint in the blink of an eye. They can move their arms and legs faster than the human brain can process visual inputs and faster than human nerve conduction. They should wear that armor and move in it nimbly and as if it is a part of them. Im sure the animators were also thinking that it would look weird if no sense of weight was conveyed in the space marines' movement, but thats one of the most common reactions normal humans have to space marines. Their size and mass is completely contrary to how they actually move and the speed they are capable of. It wouldnt have been a bad thing if gamers had the same reaction to the space marines moving in the armor as if it didnt weigh much.
Why is this a surprise? You see those service beads that some of the Astartes, including Titus, have punched into their foreheads? Each of those beads is supposed to represent 100 years of service. According to Titus' forehead, he's at least 400 years old.
Those are supposed to be loose plates that protect the hips. They have a tendency to stop being affected by physics in some cutscenes, it's a purely visual bug that doesn't carry into gameplay.
@@needbettername8583 lol dude it’s a joke and funny because I’ve read the Horus Heresy, the siege of Terra, The opening of the great rift and to the plague wars not to mention Ciaphas Cain and Gaunts Ghosts
Only 200? Im pretty sure that to be a captain you have to earn it in any spacemarine chapter. And Titus used to be a captain, before serving in Deathwatch for 100 years.
He's about 400 years old. The developers confirmed in their post release videos that he served 200 years of penance with the Deathwatch, so was already 200 years old before ending up with them going off of the service studs.
@@robberyproductions1363 seeing as this GW endorsed game(even the color scheme is endorsed to be their official paint). I guess they have retconned it to gold being 50 for smurfs. I mean some Chapters have silver as just 10 as a neophyte.
He says “he couldn’t have been born a primaris” but isn’t nobody born a primaris? Nobody is even born an astartes. Are they grown in vats or something?
50 years for each silver stud no? What’s everyone trippin about in comments, it’s confusing me even more abt warhammer 40k 😭. Is gold stud 100 years or 50 what’s going on..
He’s 400, not 200. The game got it wrong. He was made a captain after 100 years of service. Served as a captain for 200 years and served the deathwatch for another 100. He has four gold studs, one for each century. He’s 400, the game is wrong
gotta love lore getting retconned, i've always been told service studs are 100 years each, and then i play space marine 2 and suddenly 4 service studs is only 200 years
Not a retcon, from what I can tell it's *never* been consistent. A stud can be anywhere from 10, 50, to 100 years, depending on chapter and color of the stud.
The old French spelling of Lieutenant started off with Leuf, the French modernised the word around the 17th century but the British continue to use the old pronunciation. Meanwhile the Americans somehow managed to get both pronunciations wrong and say it as 'Loo-tenant'.
Imagine the reactions when they see 1000+ year old Dante
Dante wishes he was 1000
@@conn_ranger4363 Dante is 1500
Even the Lion was like
“Bro, that dude is MFing old”
Lion’s main conflict is that HE is MF’ing old.
@@garrettmiller6310Dante never catches a break
Titus is a lot more expressive and cynical than he was 200 years ago because....
While it is implied Leandros called the Inquisition out of good intentions and genuinely thought Titus would be given a fair trial, Inquisitor Thrax, the guy who picked Titus up from Graia, was notoriously paranoid (even by Inquisition standards) and distrust of Space Marines in general, thus had ZERO intention of finding out if Leandros' accusation is true or not. As far as Thrax was concerned, any SM who were touched by the Warp, is a heretic and had to be brutally questioned. Titus spent 100 year in Thrax's custody where he was kept in stasis whenever he wasn't getting mind probed or interrogated. Ultramarines demanded Titus to be properly tested for corruption and return to the chapter, but Thrax always insisted he had to be sure.
Turned out the Emperor had a sense of humor when Thrax himself ended up getting possessed by a daemon during a crackdown on renegade chapter and his Grey Knight retinue summary executed him before the daemon could fully manifest. Another Inquisitor and Red Hunters Space Marine Chapter kill team were sent to investigate and found Titus and a number of astartes were kept prisoner. Instead of turning them back to the Inquisition, said Inquisitor instead handed them to Deathwatch. After a series of evaluation by chaplain of the Watch, Titus was deemed uncorrupted and fit for duty, however, he decided to serve as a Blackshield under an alias as an act of penance despite his proven loyalty.
Source: White Dwarf 498
It's WEIRD we only got this in a magazine article.
He's confirmed to be the same Thrax as the one from Realms of Chaos:Slave To Darkness, a book that came out in the 1988
This should have been in the game, to some degree. Hopefully, we'll get some story DLC on it.
Leandros is the true traitor and should be banished from being a space marine and forced to serve as a slave for eternity
The inquisition there said "Yeah, this guy is loyal."
"There may be questions, suspicions. I cannot afford discord among the men, not now. Please keep the reason you've been a Blackshield for a century a secret so that they will draw their own conclusions. I'm sure this will cause no issues. Anyway, say hi to our resident Chaplain, who consults the Codex Astartes to determine if it's time to use the bathroom. You'll love him."
The Codex Astartes does not support this action.
Seen in that light, it's the least reasonable thing the man did the whole story. I think I can forgive him that one screw up. It was so damn nice having a reasonable marine commanding for once.
No one beside a few marines knew he had been a Blackshield though. The Chaplain mentions it being edited out of records, after the primaris surgery.
I think it was an attempt to try to keep things running smoothly in a high tempo operation with extreme risk factors. Misjudged, but he’s also clearly under a lot of stress trying to manage all this. So I think this small error can be understood
I´m still waiting for the moment Guilliman grabs his own book, the biggest, most elaborate written volume and smacks every single one of his sons who humps said book in their free time into the next milenium with a whack of same said book, as they deserve and he would point out every single time that the damn thing is not to be taken literal.
Meanwhile Chairon is 10k years old because he was on Calth during the Word Bearers betrayal
Unless it's an oversight, Cawl probably snatched him when he was young and put him on stasis until he got primaris right
This game has only properly made me realize that about Primaris now and that's so cool, great way to tie the setting of 30k into 40k.
From what I've heard, Cawl snatched up tons of folks during and just after Heresy, so that's probably the case here.
Guilliman ordered the Primaris Project after the Heresy during his reforms. All candidates were placed into stasis until Guilliman, who at this point was taking a corrupted Warp knife nap for 10k years, ordered them to be implemented. Oh and it isn't just children from after the Heresy, it is children throughout the 10,000 years until Guilliman's awakening, that Cawl claimed for the Primaris Project.
Many of the first Primaris were put into stasis with virtual simulations to "train" them for their new positions. Fun fact, during those simulations, whenever they "died", they'd just be put back into another scenario. A lot of the early Primaris thought they were immortal at first, and were, in fact, not.
Maybe he from is greyshield! Thats like 10k old!
I remembered Leandros in Space Marine 1, he had no studs until now. He's about a hundred years old which means that he's younger than Titus.
You figure this out now?
Leandros was brand new to the ultramarines, and bring a Space Marine, in 1.
Bro got captured by Biel-Tan and got 2nd Company Captain Lucian Trajan killed. What do you expect from him?
@@samuelspry6955 Well he can't have been too new. He was in the Captain's command squad which is an elite position, meaning he'd have had to have gone through the entire process of becoming a full battle-brother, serving as a devastator, then an assault marine, then a tactical marine.
Bruh, one hell of a jump in logic
even in the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, SCOTLAND IS FOREVER!!!!
Technicly over 400 years with 4 gold service studs.
It’s just records are removed with his service before death watch by the inquisition.
This comment so far has the most succulent reasoning as to the discrepancy between his service stud count and supposed age. Thanks ya
i have only seen cutscenes so far but it seems like the devs did as much as they could to establish that chairon has the ability to sense chaos. not actively but good enough to be of use.
Chairon just has experience with chaos before on his home world.
@@2shae475 seems like theres little bit more to him than that. more a sense of unease when the level of chaos within a certain distance to him rise over a certain level. in the cutscene where titus is accused of being a traitor chairon holds his fire until he knows whos the real traitor and then fires.
@@Irobert1115HD I think he legitimately just has good intuition. No special ability, just a sharp mind and really good at reading people.
@@Irobert1115HD not really, he said it himself that he's no stranger to chaos since the Word bearers attacked his homeworld calth during the start of the horus heresy (yes that means he's 10,000 years old)
@@Bass-ef3dr well technically, but he was in stasis that whole time. He only actually has a couple of decades of combat experience, compared to Titus’ centuries.
Most Scottish Space Marine ever!
You are referring to Acheran.
He has the accent a Space Wolf would have so maybe he was a Space Wolf that somehow ended up in the Ultramarines
@@stuff9680 Initiate exchange program. Meanwhile, there is a Space Wolf doing Excel sheets and logistics.
Space wolves are more Nordic then celtic
@@stuff9680 that would be really interesting though
I never realized the studs in his noggin were significant i just thought they were like space marine tech organ stuff.
yeah you actually see them increase from 2 to 4 from SM 1 to SM 2 showing its been 100 years between games. Its also a personal choice to get them and has become less popular with space marines over time.
Studs are years of service, depending on the material, Titus has 4 golden which means 400 years of service
@@ndriod i thought it was 50 per stud
@@prosaic.7944 that would be silver stud
In case anyone's curious, there are dreadnought pilots who are thousands of years old. Originally regular Space Marines, they are now entombed within the Dreadnought carapace until killed. Bjorn the Fell-Handed from Space Wolves was over 10 thousand years old and fought in Horus Heresy (biggest 40k civil war).
And is one of the last sane people in the imperium of that age who remembers the Big E, the Primarchs, and everything that happened (give or take, depending on if he was Fenris or Terra-born, I’ll admit I don’t remember which)
He actually met the Emperor. And has said, "I think he liked me." This gives him way more clout that it probably should.
@@skeletor7366 Bjorn was an effective Astartes, and loyal. A perfectly functional tool for the role he was given
Aged really well.
the rubicon primaris does wonders
That's because space marines are not allowed to have wifes.
He seemingly looks younger than he was in 1.
@@volofanta bit of plastic surgery while under the knife
It’s confirmed in Space Marines 1 he was 175 with 2 gold studs so it looks like for him, gold studs are 50 years of service making him 275 with 4 gold studs.
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Yes. Silver studs are half a century and gold studs are a century of service
All your missing is blue studs and purple studs and of course the bronze studs to collect all the lego studs
Titus is actually older then that. Apparently according to the wiki, he spent a century with the inquisition, and another in the Deathwatch. That would ramp him up to 375 at least.
@@williamhanna9718 depends on the chapter, some are 50 years for gold studs others are 100 years, I believe for the Ultramarines its 50 years for gold 10 for silver service studs
If 2 gold studs = 100 years then 2 more = 200 years. Where did you get 175 from?
Even though most marines don't live to 200, he still young for a space marine. They just simply don't get to live to the point where age would kill them. There is even a canon event where Salamander space marines stumble upon a crashed heresy era Salamander ship and find a brother in there who is still alive but his body had been atrophied to the point that he had been immobilized for thousands of years. His mind and memories were broken but they learned his name: Gravius. And that mofo didn't die from old age, he died because the planet erupted into a massive lava sphere and Salamanders couldn't take him with them because his armor had fused to the captain chair that he was sitting on.
And also, when Tau took down a dreadnought, they were shocked to the core when they discovered that the mech AND the pilot was over 6000 years old - much older than their entire civilization.
All reactions lol? You mean all one of them?
endured a century of torture, honor and duty brought him back and he had no complaints.. straight into action
Titus is over 400 years old. Gild studs indicate 100 years of service. The reason he remarks 200 is because thats how long the primaris have existed for.
Leandros didn’t have any studs during the first game, but had 2 in the second. Being as Titus only served 100 years in the deathwatch, that means each stud is 50 years not 100.
@@Assassins-RP Titus spent a century in captivity by the Inquisition.
@@Assassins-RPsilver stud is 50, gold stud is 100
Demetrian Titus was born on Tarantus approximately 600ish.M41 and fought in the Battle of Macragge hence his knowledge in fighting Tyranids. In fact given his four gold service studs he is likely older than Cato Sicarius and is likely one of the oldest non Dreadnought Ultramarines alive save for Calgar and Cassius.
Titus is objectively older than Sicarius
Hope they'll make a billion sequels of this
On a side note, they could really use some antibiotics around those implants 😂
They don't need them. Astartes physiology would prevent anything as banal as an infection from doing anything.
Spit and elbow grease will do. Those are Space Marines. Budget is tight.
Except afflictions created by Papa Nurgle
40K tech probably has all sorts of tiny, irrelevant things (to the main lore) that stop infections around sore, open wound-looking implants. A combination of jamming it in, letting on-board A.I. adjust itself and various ointments around wounds, alongside the habitat of a spaceship probably being hyper-filtered for infections in the first place means they don't need to follow usual protocols.
@@acash93to be fair those also Infect your soul
5:50 - *maximum frownage engaged*
Chairon is technically one of the eldest Ultramarines in service. With Calth being an opening play of The Horus Heresy, Chairon is technically Ten Thousand Years old. A majority of that time may have been in Stasis, but that makes him older than Dante, Chapter Master of The Blood Angels and even some of Dreadnoughts.
Its about years of service not years lived he may be 10K old technically but he didn’t spent them awake.
"Technically" is the key here, he was for the most parts in stasis that locks time for all intense and purpose, so when he awoke he was still actually only that same child that he was when he first got locked into stasis.
Same goes actually also for Dreadnaughts and most Chaos Marines.
Only exception to this would be the "uncrowned princes" the first batch of Dark Angels that got tangled up with the fallen that are actually that old and have been active since before the dawn of the Imperium itself.
A funny thing in this is that there are actually many Legionaires that are older than their father Primarch, like for example Azhek Ahriman being physically born a couple of years before Magnus got created
@@powerflumi yes its all about experience and also dates and so on are weird in 40K as we all know.
Now i understand how he could have been on Calth at that time, and still looking as young as a cadian voidborn
@@KarlPHorse he was a boy when the word bearers attacked
Imagine how people will feel when they find out the emperor is older then we are now....
I mean, if we accept the Shaman Sacrifice Theory, then Big E was "born" sometime around 15000 - 10000BC
@drunkenastarte5243 You know too much.
(Calls Inquisition)
Big Emps is from the last Ice Age, in what is Turkey today.
That lore is a bit outdated, I think the current theory now is that Big E was created in a lab on Terra in M28.
@@IceLizardsUnited Either trolling or you have no idea...
It's well established that during the early era of the Dark Age of Technology, (M21 - M26), He made a pilgrimage to the world of Moloch and entered into the Realm of Chaos itself & made his (in)famous treatise with the Dark Gods themselves. No one knows what happened exactly, only that when He returned, His psychic powers had been greatly enhanced, and He had "acquired" additional knowledge which would be used later on to help create the Primarchs.
he is way more than 200 years old, he has 4 gold studs on his head, each representing 100 years of service, so he is at least 400 years old
upon seeing Dante
Chairon: see those service studs?
Gadriel: GOT DAMN!!! THAT WAS NOT A MASK???!!!!!
Chairon: “He may have been from 5e”
The studs mean 10 50 or 100 years depending on traditions and chapter. What we know for certain is that he was 175 years old in game (2 gold 1 silver) and between game 1 and 2 a century took place so he is at least 225-249 years old (on 250 he would get an additional silver one). But it seems to be very individual if you get these at all.. all comes down to writing and whoever is in charge of the writing..
5:04 I wish they patched up Titus’s dialogue where he is actually confident about his past victory in Graia. I don’t get why he’s mum about it. Not asking him to be bombastic about it but be confident about what you did.
Bro he hates it because despite saving the planet he was all but branded a traitor by a blind little pissant and made to serve as a Black Shield for 200 years, he also lost one of his closest brothers.
Much like what @Cruddyhorse said, the Inquisitors overstepped the Chapter Master and accused Titus' survival to be heretical, or Chaos-linked in nature. In previous scenes, his new Captain and the skull-wearing Marine similarly tell Titus to keep mum about it as if anyone learned his true nature as a Black Shield (think of it like being court martialed, and fired but forced to still serve), no one would trust him. Titus' best course of action was to not say anything in hopes of not incurring any discord, as per the Captain's orders.
if you spend 100 years being tortured for exceptional service and then have to spend another 100 serving isolated in disgrace with a suicide squad im pretty sure you'd want to repress and forget what happened
Because he was accused by both an Inquisitor and his own Brother of being a traitor. Then he got kidnapped by that Inquisitor, a man who hates Astartes as he regards them as mutants, and tortured him as he already believed Titus to be guilty and he just needed to find evidence of that guilt.
Titus believed that his Chapter abandonded him for the believe of him being a heretic and he got depressed for putting shame to the name of the Ultramarine Chapter. What he of course didnt knew is that Calgar himself lodged an official complained with the Highest Echelons of the Inqusition inlcuding a direct complained to the Inquisitor representative within the High Council which lead to an investigation where even many within the Inqusistion themselves agreed with the complained.
Later it was discovered the Inquisitor went a bit too deep into the Warpsouce and got himself possed by an daemonic entity and killed by Grey Knights.
A Inquisitorial strike force was dispatched to investigate his holdings where Titus and many others where found - and inturn investigated where almost all where proven innocent.
Titus still believing he shamed the Ultramarines requested to be inducted into the Death Watch under a new identity.
Remember he was 2nd Captain, one of the highest ranks of an founding Legion Chapter, if he was suspected of being a traitor and heretic, even just that could be enough to seriously do damage towards the entire Adeptus Astartes branch.
@@powerflumi Holy shit, where did this come from? Was there a novel tie-in???
4:05 over 200, and not born in Primaris!
Astartes have the Lyman's Ear, giving them extremely sensitive hearing meaning Titus certainly heard Chairon and Gadriel's exchange.
I love how you can hear the armor creaking
idk anything about warhammer but these videos are making me wan to read up and buy the game
you have a lot to catch up on then lol
Warhammer can be quite ruff to get into but once you get the basic idea of the horus Hersey, the primarchs and the other xeno factions you'll start to understand the story. There are plenty of lore channels that will help you with that I recommend weshammer and major kill as they are my favorites and they helped me get into warhammer.
@@duolingothefourth3096 thanks i'll give them a look
@@duolingothefourth3096 second those 2. both are the most genuine when it comes to being expressive about 40K. the other lorehammers are either one-of-a-kind proffessionals (Luetin09), lazy content creators (onemindsyndicate) or straight up cringelords (Arch).
Careful, that is how they get you. :P
Aged like a fine Amasec
4:27 and now he has your command. Is that an insult?
The relationship between primaris and first born marines isn’t the best. First bornes believing the primaris are to replace them like they did with the thunder warriors. So I’d assume the two types don’t particularly fancy another
Hes basically saying "Titus is the MC, not you, you stupid little shit"
Depends on the chapter
man, its so beautiful to see them with the helmet
Lieutenant that had longer time in service than the captain?
Mustang lieutenant is the term.
He’s got four of those studs, that means he’s 400 years old right?
Depends, some chapters use studs to denote a half-century.
probably these count for every 50 years then?
@@knavehonsaccording to lore, Smurfs used gold to indicate a century. Of course Sergeant who is a much younger Primaris may not be aware of that specific detail.
Yes. 400 years of active service.
200. Service studs means 50 years of service but the meaning can differ.
Finally someone with the proper pronunciation of „lieutenant“.
It's incorrect actually. Look at the linguistics of that word. Some silly Billy added an F for no reason
@@k-rodkev-dog7449 if you look at the „linguistics“ of this word, you’ll learn that the British pronounce it properly based on it’s French origin. 😎
@BlueShift24 "When the English heard the French pronunciation of "lieutenant", they may have perceived a slurring between the first and second syllables, which they heard as a "v" or "f" sound." The British just misheard. G
@@k-rodkev-dog7449 doesn‘t change the fact that this the proper way to pronounce it.
@@BlueShift24 it does actually because the English MISHEARD it. There is no f.
He's 400 year's tho
isnt he 400 years old?
silver dots 50 years
gold dots 100 years
4 gold dots?
depends on chapter culture. They stated he is 200+ years old in SM2. In SM1 he had 2 dots and 100+ years old.
With this regard we can assume he is 200+.
@@yarikmedvedev5199 Yep. It's the Dark Angels, specifically the Ravenwing novels stated gold is a century.
The studs dont indiciate how old he is just years of service. Hes probably somewhere in the 200+ range
They're so much better with helmets.
apparently Titus is at least 400 years old. A gold stud signifies 100 years of service, and Titus has four of them
iirc the number of years depends on the faction. Ultramarines' gold studs represent 50 years of service and silver studs represent 25. But some say he is atleast 300 years old since his days in the inquisition didn't count. So correct me if I'm wrong here, I'm not that knowledgeable of the lore.
pretty young for a space marine
When the new PVT is in his 30s and has a CIB
Titus is over 400 Years old in case anyone is curious
And Marneus Calgar is somewhere around 800
Each of his studs indicates half a century. It specifically says in game he is only 200+ not 400+
@@thorodinsson1458 first game he was also over 200
@@blazingshadow2669 he had 2 studs in the first game, he has 4 now despite only 100 years passing
@@blazingshadow2669 In the First game he was 175 years old. Space marine 2 takes place about 100 years after so he'd be about 275 right now
Four studs mean he served for full 400 years already, may as well be 499 years old, I don't know if they count years before becoming space marine, if so he could be even about 515 years old.
Titus wears 4 gold bolts, that means that he's in service for over 400 years...
imagine your face when you find out Chairon is 10,000 years old!
Something I'm a little confused about. Chairon specifically mentions having been a boy on Calth "when the Word Bearers attacked". The only attacks I can find related to Calth are the battle of Calth near the start of the Heresy (something which specifically involved the Word Bearers and some Daemons), and more recent attacks by the Tyranids. Chairon has no service pins, and it's noted that Titus couldn't have been a Primaris to begin with because of his service pins putting him at being at least 200 years old. So Chairon was present for an event that occurred nearly 10,000 years ago, but doesn't seem to have the age or experience to match that. I know Cawl was sitting on a fair number of Marines he kept in stasis. Is this supposed to imply Chairon was frozen that entire time, and that Cawl had at the very least the early stages of Primaris Ascension figured out that far back, and presumably what he'd do was start the process, freeze people till he figured the next couple steps out, warm them up to continue before putting them back in, continue till he'd gotten a finished process before stuffing them back into storage until Bobby gave the okay to let em loose?
He is a full made Primaris, therefore most of that 10k years, he was in statis. Experience wise, Titus outrank Chairon with at least 200 years of service.
@@mediumtext8038 This is quite fascinating, how do the Primaris feel, growing up in the times shortly after the Horus Heresy and now waking up in this very different Imperium 10k years later.
@@HubiKoshi Maybe it's the same as those who wake up after a 5 yrs+ coma.
@@mediumtext8038 Haha I doubt it. The nascent Imperium is a Very different thing from the current one.
@@mediumtext8038 its funny cuz 200 years felt like a long time in fallout. if titus ever heard about fallout universe he would simply say "thats cute bro, im twice that. in fact by the time im old, im pretty sure you all would have forgotten your world was devastated.
Gadriel; "Our lieutenant is over 200 years old!"
Chairon, who is over 10,000 years old; :|
Here's to men acting like men, and soldiers acting like soldiers. Courage and Honor!!!
Titus: Lieutenant Titus reporting for duty.
2 seconds later
Acheran: You’re a lieutenant now. Will that be a problem?
Titus: Um… yes I know. I literally just introduced myself as “Lieutenant Titus.” remember? Like less than a minute ago.
Acheran knows Titus's service record. He wasn't promoting him, he was asking him if he had any reservations about his demotion. Because if he did, he'd probably end up back in the Deathwatch since Acheran and Calgar wouldn't put up with that shit.
@@Stargazzer811 Calgar? Maybe he would, he seems to have a soft spot for him. Acheran at least at the beginning of the game where he still doesn't know what kind of person he is? Absolutely not
4 golden studs means 400 years right? Since
Silver studs = 50 years
Gold studs = 100 years
Titus has 4 gold studs so he has been serving the emperor for 400 years?
Wait till they find out about yo momma being more ancient than the Emperor
Yo mama so old that her doctor prescribed her a tithe of psyker souls to be eaten daily.
underrated comment
Chairon saying he boy on Calth when the Word Bearers attacked would make him over 10,000 years old ._.
Just for those who are wondering.
The correct spelling is "lieutenant" in English, but it is pronounced "leftenant" in the UK. In the US, it is pronounced "lootenant".
hes 400 big brain 4 golden studs
How to toggle helmet?
Setting menu
titus has massive balls rank dosent matter for him
I'm surprised he's not older honestly i always thought 200 is too young in his case
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titus has 4 gold studs, making him over 400 years old. silver studs would mean half a century or 50 years while gold are a century or 100 years. chairon didnt see they were gold soo 200 is only wrong in a sense that hes past it.
Studs mean different things in different chapters. If I'm not wrong it's estimated titus is 250 years old more or less. 50 years per stud.
@@tatsunithelennyking2540 shows how much I know lol, thanks.
@@tatsunithelennyking2540 Titus was born around 640ish.M41 and fought in the Battle of Macragge hence his Tyranid knowledge, hes at least 350 years old.
@@fludblud it would make sense though that he wouldn't "earn" a service stud for his 100 years under stasis from the inquisition. Remember, those are SERVICE studs, not birthday ones.
Gold studs normally denote a century of service so he should be 400+
Ace Ukiyo and Ohma ZIO: Really? That's exceedingly low
Guilliman and Cawl gotta make a fuckton more geneseed and a fuckton of primaris/terminator gear and just turn all the guardsmen into primaris. Even if 99% of them die in the conversion, having 1% of the guard become primaris would be a better survival rate and go from a few hundred thousand space marines to like a trillion.
It isn't a big deal for Space Marines to be over 200 years old. They're merely saying that his age means he isn't Primaris and that he couldn't be Captain Titus because no one could survive what happened to him. Several Space Marines are over 200 years old though. Caiaphas Cain and Commisar Yarrick are regular humans that lived to be more than 200 years old.
The only complaint I have so far is the walking and running animations. Its too stiff and lumbering. As if the animators were thinking about how humans would move in that heavy armor, but these arent humans. They're post-human space marines and they are often described in the lore as shockingly fast and graceful in their armor. They are able to go from a standstill to a 50 mph sprint in the blink of an eye. They can move their arms and legs faster than the human brain can process visual inputs and faster than human nerve conduction. They should wear that armor and move in it nimbly and as if it is a part of them.
Im sure the animators were also thinking that it would look weird if no sense of weight was conveyed in the space marines' movement, but thats one of the most common reactions normal humans have to space marines. Their size and mass is completely contrary to how they actually move and the speed they are capable of. It wouldnt have been a bad thing if gamers had the same reaction to the space marines moving in the armor as if it didnt weigh much.
I mean, Chairon is technically 10000 years old. Sure in stasis, but the years still count
Captain McMillan is that you?
It is top tier acting
Why is this a surprise? You see those service beads that some of the Astartes, including Titus, have punched into their foreheads? Each of those beads is supposed to represent 100 years of service. According to Titus' forehead, he's at least 400 years old.
each gold stud is 100 years. sliver studs are 50
isnt he like over 400+? i tought each of those bolts in he's head is 100years of service
200 is nothing Hadrian Marlowe is pushing 700 by the end of book 6 and you don't hear him bragging about it.
What about yer other man being SCOTICH! Ack Aye The Neu
isnt Titus 600? 4 Bolters for his time in the Legion and then his time in the death watch.
why do they have a GIANT chunk of blue armor clipping through their torsos at the end of this vid?
Those are supposed to be loose plates that protect the hips. They have a tendency to stop being affected by physics in some cutscenes, it's a purely visual bug that doesn't carry into gameplay.
Wait until they find out how old the Emperor is
So that means Dante has 10 gold studs in his head? Never saw that
i find that hilarious. he would look like an old man with acne all over his face hahaha
200 is nothing in marine life span. There are still marines in service from Horus Legacy era
I hope I look that good at 250 😂😂😂😂😂
0:38 discord?
It means more than an app ffs.
Read a book.
@@needbettername8583 lol dude it’s a joke and funny because I’ve read the Horus Heresy, the siege of Terra, The opening of the great rift and to the plague wars not to mention Ciaphas Cain and Gaunts Ghosts
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In the grim darkness of the far future, Nitro is still not worth the cost.
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He was around 200 in sp 1, then around 100 years on ice couse of inquisition, then another 100 or so in the deathwatch ?
Doesn't a single gold stud represent 100 years of service? By that Titus would have 400 years of service.
Only 200? Im pretty sure that to be a captain you have to earn it in any spacemarine chapter. And Titus used to be a captain, before serving in Deathwatch for 100 years.
He's about 400 years old. The developers confirmed in their post release videos that he served 200 years of penance with the Deathwatch, so was already 200 years old before ending up with them going off of the service studs.
lol.
Only 175?
Chaplain Cassius, survivor of the Polar Fortress’ defence on Macragge, trained “Young Calgar” as a scout.
Or is he not a thing anymore?
Wouldnt 4 studs mean over 400 years old?
How can they tell?
The gold discs on Titus’s forehead (service studs). I’m not an expert, but I think each stud signifies either 50 or 100 years of service.
@@TheLinkmaster001 Silver is 50, gold 100. Usually that is. Its not like Chapters all have ISO standards lol
@@elseggs6504 Wasn't it more so based on Dark Angels that have 50 with silver, a century with gold. According to the Ravenwing novel.
@@gamechanger8908 it varies on chapter as some don't even use them, Ultramarines have gold as a century as well I think
@@robberyproductions1363 seeing as this GW endorsed game(even the color scheme is endorsed to be their official paint). I guess they have retconned it to gold being 50 for smurfs. I mean some Chapters have silver as just 10 as a neophyte.
He says “he couldn’t have been born a primaris” but isn’t nobody born a primaris? Nobody is even born an astartes. Are they grown in vats or something?
Question: where are located the studs? I'm not aware of its placement
Never mind I found it
Think he was 400 years old
50 years for each silver stud no? What’s everyone trippin about in comments, it’s confusing me even more abt warhammer 40k 😭. Is gold stud 100 years or 50 what’s going on..
He’s 400, not 200. The game got it wrong. He was made a captain after 100 years of service. Served as a captain for 200 years and served the deathwatch for another 100. He has four gold studs, one for each century. He’s 400, the game is wrong
...is lyreo voiced by the dude who did the scout marines in dawn of war?
gotta love lore getting retconned, i've always been told service studs are 100 years each, and then i play space marine 2 and suddenly 4 service studs is only 200 years
Not a retcon, from what I can tell it's *never* been consistent. A stud can be anywhere from 10, 50, to 100 years, depending on chapter and color of the stud.
Silver stud is 50, gold is 100. Our dear child Gadriel has likely never seen that many studs on a marine aside from Calgar.
"over 200 years old"
400 is still "over" so technically he's still correct
prob the devs not knowing that bit of lore and assumed its always 50
He is confirmed to be 400+ years old. The devs confirmed in recent videos that he served 200 years of penance with the Deathwatch.
Hey can't all angel's live up to like 10,000 year's or is that just certain people?!
Based on lore, how impressive is it to serve for that long?
How come they pronounce Lieutenant as Leftenant?
It's a British thing
@@RichardX1 Ew.
The old French spelling of Lieutenant started off with Leuf, the French modernised the word around the 17th century but the British continue to use the old pronunciation.
Meanwhile the Americans somehow managed to get both pronunciations wrong and say it as 'Loo-tenant'.
@@fludblud I wouldn’t wanna do it the French way either. I’m with the Americans on this one. Lol
You disgust me
They *really* tried to make Titus look like Henry Cavill without looking like Henry Cavill, didn't they.
Why does it sound like they are saying leftenant