I hate those people who type this type of comment it's none of your buisness... Buisness... Bui... Bu... *BUNGEE GUM has properties of both rubber and gum*
I think the "pantsing" makes the world feel more realistic. Like sure Milluki should have been an ally or antagonist in Greed Island, but there's something so realistic about him failing and not making it, because people don't always succeed. If the conflict in the Killua retrieval arc got too heated, Gon, Kurapika, and Leorio would have been annihilated. Leorio was great because his goals directly aligned with Gon (and the story focus) for the hunter exam arc, and because he's friends with Gon he helped get Killua. But he had to leave because he wanted to be a doctor, it wouldn't make sense for him to stick with Gon. Most characters they come across can be looked at this way. I agree that characters come and go a lot but it makes everything work so well in my opinion because I think it would seem forced to keep everyone around Gon when they obviously lived their own lives before meeting him and want to continue that after he's gone. Killua stayed with Gon for so long because he looked up to Gon as his moral light as well as Gon offered competition with Nen, he didn't care about himself and just wanted to help build Gon up. It feels completely real in that way imo.
@@odd.jamspine4257 despite it actually having it's created world, I never considered HxH to be a high fantasy, the setups of the narrative itself more so leans on urban fantasy or surrealist fantasy
- Too Much Exposition: Togashi sometimes over explain things when it isn't necessary for the plot or he just tells you instead of showing. It feels like sometimes he wants to explain to the fans the entire concept of something even if half of those things are irrelevant for the plot. I love HxH but sometimes I feel that the series suffers a little bit because of this problem, especially the manga version. It's not a big deal but it could be done better.
There can be too much exposition sometimes, it doesn’t bother me too much but I would find my self skipping a few seconds during some arcs. To me Kite not getting enlightened Exposition in the 2011 version is worse
As someone with adhd I relate to togashi a lot. He comes of as someone who hyper fixates on certain concepts, like insects or antique appraisal, and gets really exited to explain and talk about that concept with someone. Like he incorporates those into the story and over explains the concepts because he's exited talk about whatever's captured his interest at the time
Yknow, now that i think about it, Togashi did what he did to Kurapika and Leorio to our main characters, Gon and Killua. It’s pretty funny how even our main character duo was dropped.
I can't recall any other show I've watched that actually fully dropped the main character(s) after such a long time. I can only recall Dragonball Z *trying* that at the beginning of the Buu saga, only to immediately bring Goku back because he *is* Dragonball. But strangely enough, Hunter x Hunter is still going even though Gon and Killua are completely out of the story right now, maybe even permanently. It's just weird and conflicting, I still view them as the characters that made the story but somehow the story manages without them.
@@shotgunpete5117 i mean JoJo does this with every new season, but it’s not the same since the whole story is based on the fact that we get a new protagonist each time but on the other hand HxH is hugely inspired by JoJo
@@jurassicshinobi But in JoJo case it's different because each part is supposed to be its own unique story with a new protagonist but even then we get to see the former main characters and see what they're up to like Joseph in part 3 or Jotaro for part 4, 5 and I'm assuming 6 as well
I kinda love it that some of the characters aren't always directly involved in the story. It seems too common to have main characters followed through an entire story or have them coincidentally involved in the plot. Leorio makes the most sense to me, since his goals are very different from the other 3. I can see how Kurapika can coincide with Gon's (York arc) due to Hisoka. But now with the dark continent arc, it seems to make more sense for Kurapika and Leorio to be involved, while Gon and Killua chill out doing their own thing. Personally, I think Togashi is striking a good balance. Goddam I like Hxh
Yeah, it makes sense. The floor master thing being abandoned also makes sense, as that wasn't what gon and killua were there for. It exists for people, that want to be World champions or whatever. Most worlds only introduce things that are needed for the plot, but leave out things that aren't needed, but should logically exist.
Hunter x Hunter’s storyline is like a battle with diarrhea. You don’t know when it’s coming, it can smell at times, but boy does it feel good when it comes out.
I understand the complaints but one of the big messages of the show is how our lives are greatly affected by the seemingly unimportant people along the way.
I remember Togashi said in an interview around 2016-2017 something along the lines of "my stories rarely end in the way in which I originally envisioned them", which to me implies that he does have plans, but often just drops them if he later comes up with something he feels would be better, and I think that explains a lot of your first and second points. Especially if you consider that every plotline derail would lead to future changes in other arcs. He is not fully "pantsing". There are plot points in the manga that pay off 50+ chapters later. But he does change his mind all the time, so there are 2 dropped plot points for each of those. Also, something to consider is that HunterxHunter was originally conceived as "a manga about collectors" and you can see that many characters up until Greed Island are all "collecting" things in one way or another. The actual plot has completely derailed from that idea, but I think characters such as Zepille are largelly there because they were leftovers from that original concept. I can clearly see an alternate HxH where Gon met Sword Collectors, Painting Collectos, Card Collectors, etc., in which auctions and a counterfeiter character such as Zepille played a much bigger role. But Togashi probably bined all such arc concepts as the plot and momentum didn't really allow for it.
I disagree with Milluki case - from the very start, I felt that his part in arc is to fail, and show how tought is to get Greed Island, and he fulfilled that role perfectly
I definitely get your feeling! It's like being annoyed at the fact that a certain channel is supposed to be talking about every manga in existence, but instead only focuses on one! I hate this aspect because I want more content about other series that I love or that I'd like to discover via this medium. But at the same time, this channel knows how to please me in its own way, by keeping on talking about the same great manga over and over, and even making fun of its own flaws during every introduction.
You don't have to build up an entire subplot. Togashi doesnt abandon them, he is instead giving you an experience of a world he created, not a story that has to obey Chekhov's gun principle. Also, the reason leorio disappeared in the story is because him and Kurapika are adults, and these adults perceive the world differently. So in order to introduce the world to us as an audience, it'd only be thematically appropriate to be spoon fed everything if the story happens from the perspective of two kids exploring the world. By evidence of how freaking complicated the next arc is, because it doesn't focus on gon and killua anymore, it becomes appropriate that we as the audience have graduated from being spoon fed the world and we can already be exposed to a very complicated story through the eyes adults. Kurapika and leorio. This form of story telling is pretty darn impressive. The tone shift in the DC arc doesn't contain the playfulness of children.
Thats a really good point regarding exposing the audience the world togashis created through the eyes of children. I've never thought about that before.
Except for the fact that both leorio and kurapia were underaged when the series started, the same as gon and killua. Togashi stuck them together because he liked their relationship and wanted to develop that, not just because they are kids.
To add onto that, this idea that "they're adults so they see the world differently" isn't something that is ever suggested in the story, so I dont know how that user could say that.
Never thought of that. Cool! Have a great day! God Bless! Stay strong, stay safe and take care of yourselves! Wishing everyone the best! Jesus loves you! May the Holy Spirit guide you! 😇 💗🕊
I would say that Togashi doesn't leave interesting characters and topics behind, but rather he makes really interesting backround characters, who were never meant to be developed in the first place. It makes the world feel larger and more complex.
Ok but that doesn't narratively feel satisfying. It's impressive how Togashi does it, but it doesn't make for a story that feels satisfying to read/watch.
Honestly everything you mentioned is nullified by the incredible story-telling of Hisoka's hatsu Bungee Gum, which contains the properties of both rubber and gum
I hate how accurate this is... I loved that most of the sub plots just die or have a wtf type ending.. I could never guess how anything was going to end. That style paid off too for mereum death.. not the death we wanted but the death we deserved
You should make a video talking about custom nen abilities. There's a thread I saw on reddit about people creating their own Hatsu's with restrictions and everything. Would be an interesting video series.
I've been a dungeon master for 5e D&D and I believe that a hunter x hunter table top is very possible. And also possible to balance. I want to run a table for it one day. 1. Nen type instead of classes 2. The four basic principles plus Nen memory as basic stats. So Ten, Zetsu, Ren, Hatsu and memory. The more advanced forms of Nen use like Ko or Gyo you can put points into mastering after you have enough in the parent stats. So for example Ko would be available once you have enough in Ren and Zetsu and you spend a point on getting it. I'd probably run it as Ten Armor class and constitution Ren amount of aura Zetsu Stealth Hatsu would work differently you would choice what Nen type to put a point in. (You get a proficiency bonus on your main stat) Maxing out at a +5 however you max out at only +4 to neighboring nen affinities and farther away a +2 If you use a skill your not naturally good at and or use a skill that uses multiple Nen types it uses up Nen memory. If a move uses more then half your memory then it requires a concentration to maintain. You simply can't learn an ability that uses more then all. I really need to write this down I got more but yeah.
This series came right after me giving up on the grind that is One Piece and Naruto. At the time, it blew my mind how FAST the plot moves and how it upended the tropes I was used too. For that, it holds a special place in my heart.
HxH honestly feels just like a custom DnD campaigne with the best kind of Home brew rules (No powersystem will ever top Nen for me) with veteran Dungeon master and players that have (over)seen, heard, weaved and acted out all DnD editions could offer and thus wanted to make this likely last adventure/storyline their Dm prepared the very best. However like most memorable sessions the PCs imagination and spontaneous nature pulled and drove the narrative in an wildly different direction that not even the Dm fully accounted for, but the unexpected, sudden events and creative, intuitive decisions by the party played out all better for it. Sadly much in the same vein, real life problems and responsibilities caught up to the schedule and resulted in party members and thereby associated plotlines being pushed aside or even dropped and eventually even managing meetups became so difficult that it became an ever rare occurence.
Yeah, it's pacing is just amazing. One piece is just unwatchable, even reading it is too slow. "Oh man, we better take down Poopy Scroopus, he's SUPER EVIL!" And then it's a 20 episode fight between Poopy Scroopus and Luffy. Like holy fuck, get on with it
Iife has few pay-offs, proper resolutions and predictable outcomes.. i enjoyed that part in HxH very much personally. Think of how often you escalete things in your head that can happen in your life for good or bad, and then think about the outcome you got in the end. Life seldom pans out the way you planned or expected
The only thing is in real life you're only one person with one perspective. You can't just randomly jump into the consciousness of other people and see through their eyes, but in media you usually get many perspectives. (One notable exception being Steven Universe where you only get Steven's perspective) for example if gon and Killua leave Milky and we never find out what happens to him that's one thing, but the narrative following him then dropping him is like if you're taking a walk with someone and they suddenly vanish into thin air. It would bother most people that they have no idea what happened to them when they were just with them.
@@phlpcockrell You failed to see my point completely, I never argued that people can't dislike that. I said i personally liked what i stated. This conversation is unusual to say the least
@@Buaam ive learned that most people cut a fine line in the sand when it comes to realism in stories. They want EVERY story line to be unrealistic. If a character has a plan that falls flat and nothing comes of it (like plans so often do in real life) then readers will say that the author is bad at plotting and wasted everyone's time with the setup.
@@phlpcockrell I'd argue even so, outcomes should nonetheless still be incredibly unpredictable. Multiple perspectives from named characters sound like a lot, but what we know are close to nothing. A person's day consist of 24 hours, how much time do shows generally spend around a single character? You don't know, when a character goes off-screen, any information about his current circumstance. Maybe the moment he left he got struck by lightning. Maybe the faceless mobs the protagonist wiped the floor with were actually relatives of another important character. Maybe, in your example, Milky got teleported by another nen user due to reasons far beyond the scope of the current plot. These are incredibly absurd, ex-machina events from a narrative perspective, but what is reality other than an amalgamation of countless absurd low-probability events? The butterfly effect is a thing, and the world is consisted by trillions and trillions of butterflies. The reason they typically don't happen in the story is due to nothing more than the reader's expectation and the conservation of narrative details.(which are obviously necessary)
I feel like when we meet characters in Hunter x Hunter and then leave them without getting to know them fully is realistic. When you're on an adventure you meet a shit ton of people, yeah, but realistically you dont spend 2 hours listening to each and everyone of them talk about their past and motivations and llife traumas. Especially Gon and Killua who are kids arent gonna be like "so Goreinu tell me about your whole life story I'm so interested". I agree it is somewhat frustrating to meet people and leave them (I love Leorio so much and I'm lowkey hoping that Gon, Killua and Alluka meet up with Zushi somewhere along the way and form their own little group) but realistically you don't get to know every single person you ever meet deeply, and also thinking of a backstory for every single extra character is exhausting (Imagine if we had to read every single Succession War bodyguard's backstory...) Your points are still valid, though. I absolutely agree. Objectively bad Hunter x Hunter aspects, though: Palm and Hisoka being pedophiles and creepy with Gon, and it being played off as a joke. And that weird ooc Leorio scene with Leroute in the Trick Tower.
Idk i think pal is pretty funny lol the scene when gon talks about cougars and killuas like whaa lol shit was funny and the tower scene lol "i bet your actually a man" that shit was the funniest of the perverted humor in most all of anime lol
I dont give a shit if its realistic its a shonen show wtf.. at least give me some drama and some memorable moments, but nah it feels pretty boring and slow af
@@idirbouchdoug1567 If Knov was able to teleport Netero (and the entire extermination team) with ease, I think he can teleport anything caught in Scream, including the head of an enemy. It’s limited because there are many nen users too fast for Knov to catch... that’s where Black Goreinu comes in.
@@Starvin-Marvin that defies the laws of conjured abilities though , ALL conjured abilities cannot be absolute , meaning there is no ability that can kill anyone if hit by it or in kurapikas example , a chain that is unbreakable. You need Extreme conditions to make your conjured ability close to that , and knov doesn't have any significant drawbacks set to his nen ability and add to that the fact that the king is extremely durable ( dozens of time more durable than the strongest nen users possibly) and the ungodly amount of aura he has that he can use to defend himself and you could confidently say that If knovs ability isn't absolute ( which is most likely how it works) then it shouldn't work on someone so vastly superior in every aspect to knov without some extremely harsh conditions on his ability.
@@idirbouchdoug1567 You misunderstand the nature of Scream... it’s not a killing technique, it’s teleportation: the death of someone is just a natural consequence. For example: Black Goreinu can teleport anyone (Razor was stronger than Goreinu yet his teleportation was absolute). Goreinu can have Black Goreinu jump into a volcano and teleport/swap with a nearby opponent for an instant kill. Simply put, if an opponent is nearby, all Goreinu has to do is put Black Goreinu into an imminent death scenario and teleport/swap the moment before fatal impact. Scream is similar. It’s not a kill move, it’s a functional one: teleportation. It can teleport anything in its path (the limitations are obvious: small, short-term, close contact needed, relatively slow, etc). If he teleports a body part, the consequence of death has nothing to do with nen, but everything to do with blood-loss, etc.
@@idirbouchdoug1567 He’s not destroying the opponent, he’s teleporting him. That’s why it can work on anyone, even someone stronger (just like how Black Goreinu can teleport someone stronger). Knov can’t destroy a stronger opponent’s body, but he can teleport him away. Knov can’t destroy a stronger opponent’s body part, but he can teleport it away IF he can envelope it with Scream (which is nearly impossible for him to do alone against stronger opponents).
Isn't the point of Milluki in York New to bring context to Mr. Battera. Milluki is willing to spend so much to get this game only to get beat by the same person over and over. Showing this is important to the end(ish) of Greed Island as it makes you feel incredibly bad for Battera after seeing how dedicated he has been to this.
I'm obssesed with HxH's story structure and world building (as vague as it is), though I would agree it could be frustrating at times. What I "hate" the most is the fact that Gon and Killua spend so much time training. I like the fact that they're never fully preprared to deal with a situation, but I feel like we could skip some of their training bits. Also, I would love to get a resolution for the Chrollo - Hisoka fight in the anime, even of its just a final conversation between them, setting up their future fight. If we had that, I would consider the anime finished.
Togashi’s total abandonment of a worthwhile map reminds me somewhat sweetly of Sir Terry Pratchett (RIP) who scoffed at the idea of a map for his main Ringworld series for ages and just kinda...kept expanding locations at least somewhat arbitrarily. It was fine.
In some ways, the short introduction of characters with huge roles in the anime mirrors real life. People meet ppl in similar stages in life and ppl who have great impact on them but only for a short time. Not every one you meet is gonna be in your life for a long time. Its the same thing with hunter hunter. We are introduced to numerous characters but for a short time, this helps to unconsciously create a convoluted and dynamic world in hunter hunter. And it pays off when those characters are reintroduced in a current plot.
Yeah I like the theory that the fight was 3v1 due to Chrollo using three abilities at once in specific moments during the fight, either a mistake by Togashi or Chrollo was using the audience in the arena to cover up additional fighters.
I loved the way characters were handled. The fact that new characters were always being introduced and left out of the story made the world feel more real imo. It wasn't just the same people doing everything, you got new characters doing the new things Gon and Killua were doing and made it feel like others were living in that world too.
Very contradicting arguments. He basically also said why he does like certain thing within his dislikes. You also can't have a classical told story if the aim of the story is to add subversions. Keeping fan favourite characters around for the sake of it, also doesn't work within that scheme. I also didn't get the complaint about the world. Yes, some parts of the world are dangerous, others aren't. Just like the real world. Nothing in the story said that everything outside Whale Island would be full on danger. You can also have multiple metropolitan looking cities. Also no idea why that's such a problem. Then he goes into saying how OP's map isn't overly specific, while that was his problem with the HxH map. But then he goes and contradicts himself again and praises the way the world was handled in the CA arc with NGL/East Gorteau etc. I also didn't get the set-up and pay-off complaint. Heavens Arena was never about reaching Battle Olympia. The boys went there to merely make money, then came across Hisoka and Nen and their attention shifted to that. Gon's goal was set-up in the Exam arc to land a hit on Hisoka. Which he did in Heavens Arena, he reached his goal, made some money, learned about Nen. That was the pay-off and went to Yorknew. The pay-off shouldn't have been Battle Olympia. He also uses the pay-off example with the Zoldyck arc, but he also mentions how he liked the subversion in HxH. Well, that's exactly an example of the type of subversion I liked in HxH. It didn't become a big Zoldyck battle arc to retrieve Killua. Instead we got strangely fatherly, but also sinisterly calculated Silva that set his son free. While knowing one day he'd return and that WAS paid off with Illumi's needle. Silva KNEW Illumi was controlling him. The Zoldyck arc also never officially was an arc. It was merely a bridge between arcs. It works perfectly well that way while introducing Killua's family which we'd deal with a lot more throughout the series. Also, NO WJS Mangaka plans things ahead. They write/draw for WEEKLY shounen jump and need to work from week to week. HOWEVER, in Togashi's case he did Yu Yu Hakusho first and HxH taks A LOT from YYH. Certain ideas are obviously planned ahead, because they come back from YYH and Togashi executes them in the way he always wanted but couldn't in YYH. HxH is his passion project because he had to stop YYH. Next to that, he also goes into a lot of hiatusses due to his health condition. Which also leads to him writing loads of manuscripts in his time off. He has books filled with stories. So he does plan a lot, a lot more than any ''regular'' WJS writer because he has the time and also the previous work he falls back onto. Gon's tranformation for example was planned out. He laid seeds throughout HxH. And it's basically Yusuke's sudden Mazakou reveal done better and more prepared. Oh yeah and Zepile was used to escape from Nobunaga and also to appraise Gon's character. Which proves SUPER IMPORTANT in understanding who Gon really is.
@DJ Barrett about the set up. I think he plan to use them later (I think the battle beetwen hisola/chrolo was in the master floor) Sadly he didn't executed them yet.
@DJ Barrett Yes I caught up. what did you dislike about it ? we have seen how a master floor fight look like and the level of mind game and nen use was pretty impressive (I hoped it would be animated in the futur) for me (I still think it will be use again later). Also it look to set up a tragic outcome for the current arc.
He is a one piece fan at heart, their shonen drug is eating up bad volumes of the most side character possible fighting another irrelevant character just because they have appeared 1 minute and need something to do. At the same time the story has to focus on the world, meaning by that exploring random places like one piece when it's clear that Togashi doesn't care at all about that it's just an alternate modern earth with some drops of fantasy paint here and there that are used to write whatever thing he wants to write. HxH is not an exploration manga and it's not a war manga between nations, evil rulers that have to be taken down or want destroy the world etc.
I think the pacing was really well done. If we didnt get that set up there was no way we'd be able to connect to the whole ant situation as much as we do.
Ponzu and Pokkle are examples of characters that got screwed by the pantsing strategy. Pokkle especially was set up to return as he passed the hunter exam, and then he had this ability which was a color spectrum that implied he had 7 different arrows but he only used 2 and then died. He and Ponzu were both useless in the Chimera Ant arc. Why were they even there and why did they have to die so early? Ponzu was also derailed in the Chimera Ant arc. Ponzu was never a weak, skittish person. She made it to the fourth phase of the Hunter Exam all on her own. She would have passed if Gon didn’t screw her over. In Chimera Ant, her bees are only used for recon purposes even though they are supposed to be her defense as well. She even says (in the dubbed version at least, the original translation may be different) something along the lines of “If I ever scream or fall, these guys will come out and protect me”. We literally see her scream and fall over and the bees don’t do anything. It seems like Togashi just ran out of uses for Ponzu and Pokkle and realized they weren’t needed at all. It’s kinda wack sometimes. I also wondered why Milluki even partook in the Yorknew auction and nothing came from it.
At times I actually like the fact that Togashi takes time to introduce characters and mechanics not instrumental to the plot, just to help the setting feel more real
The only thing I want to see from Gon is him sitting quietly in his room meditating.. *zooms in on Gons chest* A light flickers. His nen reborn. Thats it, thats all I want
I personally prefer how togashi doesn't feel restrained by typical narrative structure. It makes the world feel more real because in real life you don't have "setups" and "payoffs." Sometimes you'll feel like your life is building towards something and your life gets completely derailed as you have to switch focus to something else.
I made the mistake of letting the internet hype Hunter x Hunter up way too much for me. I was expecting this greatness on par or better than FMA:B, and I was super disappointed and annoyed with it throughout my entire initial watch through. I liked aspects of the show for sure, but the things that I disliked really overshadowed them. I found myself just slogging through the end wishing for it to be over. After finishing the series, oddly enough I started having a lot of fun reading/watching peoples' deep dives into various characters, nen powers, and things that happen in the manga after the show. I found myself WAY more intrigued by the world, story, characters, and metaphors than when I was actually watching the show. I think the problem was just that it was overhyped plus everything stated in this video lol.
For me it was the opposite tbh. After watching HxH, I decided to watch FMAB because I constantly heard praise about it being on the same level as HxH. I watched it and it was certainly good, but not as good as HxH for me. I consider it to be a little overrated, but a very good anime nonetheless. I think the main difference between the two is that HxH is more experimental and has ups and downs, whereas FMAB has a cohesive and concise storyline. That being said, I found HxH’s highs to surpass anything in FMAB. I also preferred the characters in HxH and I liked the world more.
@@zaynthemane Totally fair opinion and interesting that we occupy two sides of the same coin. I think you hit the nail on the head re: HxH being more experimental and FMAB being more of a concise story. For me, the fact that it was all so cohesive through to the end, and also is a complete story, added a lot to the highs for me. I would love to see the manga completed, and then the show given the 'Brotherhood' treatment in which they re-do the entire show from the beginning to the end, following the manga's ENTIRE story line (including Gon meeting Kite in the FIST PANEL OF THE FIRST CHAPTER which is kind of a major fuck up in the show lol).
Fourth thing I hate about hunter x hunter is the fact that Hisoka's nen has the properties of BOTH rubber AND gum. C'mon now that is just over powered.
In fairness, I distinctly remember a rumor that the creator made the hunter exam arc without Nen in mind, and decided on it being a thing for the heavens arena arc. During the test, one of the professional hunters acts surprised about Hisoka "having some kind of aura"
In my subjetive view HxH is almost perfect. It fits to my tastes and satisfies them almost precisely as I would want it. It goes indepth in topics I want to know more about and does it in a very organic way thus making the world of HxH seem extremely complex and alive. My biggest criticism is that it's very far from satisfying my curiosity and all the loose ends all due to hiatus that just never ends. Togashi, pls.
I appreciated the various setups and characters and how the series forgot about them. For 2 reasons. 1, it emulates life and how we all are on our own journey and the people we meet are just temporary facets along the way(except for killua hanging onto gon for unhealthy no-goal reasons, and once he gets a goal, he leaves too). And 2, the changing of scenarios allows the show to evolve and explore different aspects of maturity rather than spend eons in setup and the purgatory of over explanation. Yes we learned about floor masters while they were relevant, but once our goal changed, why do we care anymore? We're on to the next thing, not staying in the arena for years of filler because that has no purpose in finding Ging.
I want to see the entire world map, if the known world is just a lake on 1 continent, I want to see a world map showcasing just how small and insignificant the known world really is.
togashi interduce interesting characters and ideas to make the world feel big and real and if he were to follow every sub-plot to the end we would have more filers than the main story it self He didn't do much with heavens arena arc just cuz killua and gon were planing to get stronger so gon could beat hisoke to start searching for his father and if they suddenly decide stay and become floor masters that would be against the idea of the entire anime which is finding gons father
What you're talking remember me about The Never-ending Story, it also has lots of plot points that begin and are abandoned (although it is very explicitly intentional).
love gon & killua's "what did he say about us?" looks. :3 the only things i'd say i don't like about hunter x hunter are: for some uses of nen it could explain it a bit more clearly(not categories as a whole since i find it very easy to follow just probably streamline a few with how much detail is given.) , some characters use(i wish we saw zushi & wing in hisoka vs chrollo though i think it works with them living their own story like an off-screen story in one pieces cover pages or a feel from a character still being around after a stories ending,instead of genthru i'd have the phantom troupe be a continued threat in greed island as they were just there to keep zanzan from being a plothole in the chimera ant arc when they could've had been in a enemy mine situation/had their story of leadership in chrollo's absence from locked nen resolved in greed island,maybe handle greed islands characters presence more as some plain disappear in odd ways to me imo and kurapika/leorio encounter the ants to give the intended threat they had more.), story structure(while i actually love the zoldyck arcs ending and didn't mind greed islands ending i can see what newworldreview means by hunterxhunter being jagged loose with it's world structure compared to other shonen jump series as some characters/the main world still feels as even more unexplored than the dark continent and think some arcs could be done better like the succession war which i still consider part of the dark continent arc as it just had no real segway to it the chimera ant arc where i'd have the ants influence go to a few areas from previous arcs to give them their intended threat as i never got that at all outside meruem,have kite stay dead to give gons sacrifice/near death meaning as kite's/a few others like palm reincarnation made the threat of the ants somewhat hollow to me i think killua was better handled story wise than gon and maybe rework parts of komugi as i didn't imo feel a genuine relationship bringing the ants empathy at all and more an attempt to do it despite their heinous,horrific,unforgivable actions making her feel like a Stockholm syndrome case than a heartwarming protected injured bird and didn't feel anything other than "glad they're dead" which considering netero's fight and parting words with his fight i can see being togashi's intent. ) and togashi keeping track of his hiatus.(i feel unless if he has other people work with him on spreading different plot points while he speeds the main stories pace i feel some plot points are dead like gyro/hisoka's challenge to gon unless if its worked in well and gon's story is imo done as outside maybe a side story of killua/alluka's journey across the old continent i don't see a timeskip,though i would love to see him and mito meet killua & alluka again.).
Another good example would be the way different characters have various unexplained systems to quantify and measure nen, like Knuckles aura quantities and multipliers or Kurapika talking about nen levels with regards to emperor time. In a way its realistic, no one really knows how nen works, so they come up with different systems to explain parts of it
That's a good point,I really did want to see the top floor of Heaven's Arena Also,another thing I want to know is how strong Wing was,we didn't see his hatsu or anything really
Hanzo, he's going to be in the dark continent arc at some point possibly, I remember seeing him along with kurapika get hired to help guard one of the princes so hes on the ship as well but he hasn't came up yet? idk the wiki says He is currently one of the bodyguards of Prince Marayam Hui Guo Rou.
I would say in a richer way you Leave them and come back later the thing i like and don’t like is that there’s seems to be no main character in hunter hunter
You're totally right. The problem is that some of us(fan boys) are biased to the extent that they don't want to admit that there are some parts that don't make sense in the series
The video itself is pretty well made, you pointed out what makes Hunter X Hunter good and why that also makes other parts bad, and I think you made good arguments for your case, but the title of the video feels like clickbait. As another guy commented, "I can smell the immediate clicks." 1. You said you didn't like the style in which Togahi creates his storyline, calling it inefficient and pointing out several plot points were 'abandoned,' but then in your next point you admit that Hunter X Hunter would not be the story it is if Togashi did not pursue this style of unpredictable writing, where we don't know what characters and scenes will impact the story. 2. This logic applies the first two points you made. You can't have it both ways. That's like eating cheesecake, saying you hated the fact it used sugar, and then finishing off by admitting that the cheesecake wouldn't have tasted that way without the sugar that made you gain weight, so therefore you don't want the sugar out of the cheesecake. 3. Did you know that bungee gum has the properties of both rubber and gum?
3. Gyro's very existence. He exists as a teaser for things to come MAYBE, but otherwise sticks out like a sore thumb. 2. Togashi did not plan enough ahead to make sure he finishes the thing before dying. CAN he finish before dying? 1. First anime version ending the way it did, and 2011 being a reboot, essentially burying 1999 and spitting on its grave.
The way Togashi throws the laws of conservation of detail and narrative causality out the window makes the world of HxH feel so *alive* in a way most stories don't. Random extras don't feel like random extras, and the protagonists don't feel like the center of the universe. It's inefficient and leaves a lot of permanently loose ends, but it gives the series a really unique feel
What does it matter that we don't explore floor masters and such after they're explained? It just helps with the world building. In real life, you might learn about something cool without ever experiencing it.
The thing about clickbait is that it takes advantage of having a bold title for clicks while not delivering the promise. But this is a bold title that risks downvotes on top of not being a bait. So thats a thumbs from this guy
I agree with not understanding the world due to the technical/fantasy differences, and I'm so glad you feel the same way 'cause a lot of other people I mentioned it to don'. In the early segments of Hunter x Hunter we dealt with big creatures, unexplored territory, boats and airships for transportation, weird fantasy stone tower prisons with traps... then we get into Yorknew City and it's like, cell phones and limos and business suits in modern day.
I believe Togashi writes HxH as if he were a hunter himself. Hunters are selfish, and are willing to drop everything to pursue one specific goal. Togashi is also selfish, and only wants to write stories he finds interesting. Characters exist for only as long as Togashi feels we need them, then those storylines are dropped in favor of his next selfish fancy. If Togashi really is writing with no clear plot ahead of him then he is hunting after his own story. Togashi rules.
Things I personally dont like about H×H: In the 2011 version, Kite wasn't introduced early on like he was in the 1999 version, and I think the manga. This made it harder for a lot of fans to understand the significance he had to Gon, and therefore understand Gon's reaction. The fandom doesn't really care about the story, just about the *funny wacky* characters, haha. Its fun at times but when thats it, and no one discusses what actually makes it good, it gets a little annoying. Also the movies. The movies suck.
@@Crinjal_2611 I know the movies aren't canon. But Kite was introduced immediately in the manga, was he not? Sorry if my comment doesn't make sense, I can edit it to be more coherent
I hate the way Gon doesn't evolve his nen abilities. He only does Jajanqen and it's boring. If he could do more, he would have been a more efficient fighter. I even thought adult Gon would have had more up his sleeves. And guess what, it was the same old Jajanqen. It was powerful, but it was boring. For God's sake, people come up with a lot of Hatsu. And Gon the main character with so much potential just has one
I love this series, but god, does point two kill me (also point one). Because so many of the characters show up only to later get dumped, the only characters I can manage to get invested in are Gon and Killua, except the series often seems far more interested in following these characters that I know are never going to have any satisfying payoffs or real character arcs. I spent a huge chunk of the Chimera Ant arc just not caring about anything that was happening. Now that Killua's out of the series for the foreseeable future, I just don't think I can bring myself to read anything after the end of the anime. Also, a prime combo of both points one and two - I just made it to the second to last episode of the series. At the end of the Chimera Ant arc, Killua had that great moment where he was all 'I'm gonna clean up Gon's mess as usual, but this time I'll make him apologize.' Then, for the duration of the next arc, his primary motivation is a character he's never mentioned before. Okay. Alluka fixes Gon, and it's pointed out that Killua was gone when Gon woke up. Okay. It's the second-to-last episode. What I want is to see these two characters reunite, especially since I know they're about to part ways. What I get is something like ten minutes of the Koala, who has done next to nothing other than stand in the background up to this point, explaining his motivations and trying to find redemption and I'm just - what??? Why does this matter? I have no reason to care about this character? Why are we spending time resolving a character arc that he never had instead of resolving whatever was going on with Gon and Killua??? And then Gon and Killua just, reunite offscreen and it was apparently all very uninteresting. And then they part ways, and it's still pretty low-key, despite them being the only consistent character from the beginning and, consequently, being the driving force behind the show. They just get a little montage and then Killua is gone. This show is just so frustrating. It taunts you with these amazing setups, and then gives you no catharsis.
Biscuit I feel was explored well enough aside not going with the ant team to fight for the world but overall even during the current arc she is probably my favorite female in the story.
Yeah gotta say point one/two is what many watch HxH for. It feels more lifelike when things you'd think would have payoffs, just don't and payoff comes from no setup sometimes.
Jojo vids. MHA vids. Attack on Titan vids. FMA/Brotherhood vids (and comparisons would be interesting as I never watched the original anime). You can explore anything you want, Liam! You will be the king of pirates of UA-cam!
the moment where the improvisation really hit me hardest the first time i read this was wing's hesitation and borderline fear to teach nen to gon and killua, and then that hesitation turned out to be completely useless and meaningless.
People usually refer to HxH as a Shounen deconstruction, and i fully agree with that, but it's also a "story deconstruction" to an extent. I know nothing about storytelling but, from my ignorance, i dont fully agree with Chekhov's Gun and apparently Togashi couldn't care less. In real life things dont just exist to serve a purpose in someone's story, and that's fine. I like traditional storytelling like everyone else, but it can get reall really predictable. Sure, there can be some amazing plot point following this criteria (Lavoon, to name one), but it either takes a literal monster of storytelling or it gets really dull. I LOVE the fact that in HxH a lot of things are there to be abandoned in the future, this is why HxH as a story feels much more natural than everything i've ever watched / read. Sure the worldbuilding is inconsistent and we spend very little time making it work, but the same happens for the real world. We dont spend time making everything consistent in our world, we live it and we dont reall question how "beliveable" it is. HxH dives deep into a lot of weirdness and yet is able to be a very beliavable story for this reason. If Togashi introduced half of the characters and every single one of them had a purpose or an arc HxH would feel so contrived it's painfull. I like to think Leorio is the extreme example of this, of Togashi giving us a great character only to barely see him again, and even tho i love Leorio i really like how he handles it. Even the return of characters like Kurapika, Hisoka or Bisky always feels "natural" and it never feels like "of course he comes back, he's an important element in the plot".
Guess I never realized this, but I think Togashi has a gardening-style of story-writing (seeing where the story goes without planning too far ahead. Letting the story develop itself). That might explain the set-up of things/characters that get dropped later.
Something I began enjoying A LOT after watching it (and I used to hate it because it hurt me but when I got over it I thought it was brilliant)... I used to watch it (as I watched a lot of things) thinking "ok, according to writing conventions, this is what should happen... This guy should live... This guy should die..." And so on. And HxH is the only story in which I'm more wrong than right. And I LOVE IT for it. It began feeling like the real world. It's true I didn't care about a lot of characters, but I don't need to. This actually taught me the value of NOT overanalyzing shit using conventions all the time!! (I still sometimes do it... But I really try not to hahahaha. It does ruin the immersion and all that). So thank you Togashi 💜
I’m watching more and more of Hunter X Hunter (just finished the 3rd blue-ray set) and the more that I watch, more that I couldn’t help but feel that it’s overrated. I do say that I still like it and might recommend it to *VETERAN* shonen/anima fans, but I alway get a funny look when someone say that HxH is a top-tier story. Because AS WELL AS all the things you mentioned, like inconsistent story or disappearing characters, I got TWO MORE issue that it’s holding it back. 1 is that it jam pact with plot points, information, and complexities that it gets confusing really quickly. HxH expects you learn all these new details and simultaneous events and also expects that you memorised them the first time you learn them. It likes to be very complex for complexities sake and think it very smart for doing so. Did the Hunter Exam really had to be 5 phases long (excluding the tests set BEFORE AND AFTER THE EXAM)? Do you really have to make Nen a really complicated and intricate power system? And how many cards that Tagashi make and many of the were used in the Greed Island arc? While some say this give HxH a unique atmosphere and something expected for the characters in the story need/do. I’d say you can remove all the superfluous details and it will have minimal impact on the story. My 2nd problem is the beginning, in that it drops you down and expects you to run. Now, this is a personal rule, but I feel a good beginning in an anime shouldn’t be long or be left with cliffhangers. A introductory arc should be only 5-10 episodes long and new watchers can safely stop at episode 4 or 5 (I.e: No hanging plots that forces you to watch the ep after). This way, new watchers can safely guess where the story might be heading but still content about stopping there. I’d say anime like One Piece, Jojo, Naruto, One Punch Man, and even Bleach passes this criteria. But for HxH, it’s the opposite. By 4th episode, the characters would have entered the latter half of the 1st phase of the Hunter Exam and finishes it at the episode 5. You might kind of guess where the story can go from there, but still don’t know who will pass the exam and be left hanging. And meanwhile, the 1st arc is 21 episodes long. That’s about nearly as long as a single season anime of the 2000’s. This really annoyed me the 1st time I watched HxH as it requires me to bing watch a full season of anime before I can get a firm opinion, where I’m sure I can get quicker opinion on any other anime. In summation, with these problems AS WELL AS the one in the video, I am left very underwhelmed and disappointed in Hunter x Hunter. I feel it like a B-Grade (good) at best and a C-Grade (“Eh, Ok”) at worst.
You know what I hate? Not knowing the properties of Hisoka’s nen abilities.
I think it was plastic and glue but I'm not sure
I hate those people who type this type of comment it's none of your buisness...
Buisness...
Bui...
Bu...
*BUNGEE GUM has properties of both rubber and gum*
i believe it is a combination of 2 things COMPLETELY different
ughh bungee gum possesses both gum and bungee
💕😜bungee🍬gum🤩🤪has🥵the💯📏properties🏫🍭of😻both✌rubber⭐and💧gum🍬
Nah Leorio's actually the main character the past few arcs have just been a subplot to explain why Gon won't be fighting with him
Lmao
Yessir!
Bravo Togashi
Lmaooooo
3 things to hate about hunter x hunter? Easy: hiatus, hiatus, HIATUS!!!!
I was about to say the same thing.
It's still in haitus
What’s hunter x hunter I only know hiatus x hiatus just waitin for the new chapter only! 10000000000000000000 years left heheheh!!!!!
IT'S BACK GIRL
@@anis380ah, the times we had hope
" I both love and hate" , tsundere much?
more like a drug addict.
Love and hate are two sides of the same coin
- Hisoka
I think the "pantsing" makes the world feel more realistic. Like sure Milluki should have been an ally or antagonist in Greed Island, but there's something so realistic about him failing and not making it, because people don't always succeed. If the conflict in the Killua retrieval arc got too heated, Gon, Kurapika, and Leorio would have been annihilated. Leorio was great because his goals directly aligned with Gon (and the story focus) for the hunter exam arc, and because he's friends with Gon he helped get Killua. But he had to leave because he wanted to be a doctor, it wouldn't make sense for him to stick with Gon. Most characters they come across can be looked at this way.
I agree that characters come and go a lot but it makes everything work so well in my opinion because I think it would seem forced to keep everyone around Gon when they obviously lived their own lives before meeting him and want to continue that after he's gone. Killua stayed with Gon for so long because he looked up to Gon as his moral light as well as Gon offered competition with Nen, he didn't care about himself and just wanted to help build Gon up. It feels completely real in that way imo.
Exactly.
I agree... I actually sometimes feel that IT IS planned! It is very effective to make the world feel alive
Cope
@@adrithmanvik1853 it's not cope I really think this and specifically enjoy this aspect of the story, though I unerstand how other may not like it
This is exactly what makes h X h feel
Special
Hunter Hunter is broken but in the best way possible.
Its dead without gon
@@gojosatoro1926 not completely
@@gojosatoro1926, I’ve reading the latest chapters and Kurapika has become best boy in my books!
@@Kakaragi Agree!
@@gojosatoro1926 What do you mean dead without Gon? So many people actually dislike him and enjoyed Yorknew and the parts of CA without Gon way more.
I can *smell* the immediate clicks
I kinda see Hunter x Hunter’s world as a modern fantasy world
@@adrianpg4460 I think he means in the same vein of classic high fantasy (e.g., Silmarillion, Discworld, Game of Thrones), but modernized.
A lawless one.
@@odd.jamspine4257 despite it actually having it's created world, I never considered HxH to be a high fantasy, the setups of the narrative itself more so leans on urban fantasy or surrealist fantasy
- Too Much Exposition: Togashi sometimes over explain things when it isn't necessary for the plot or he just tells you instead of showing. It feels like sometimes he wants to explain to the fans the entire concept of something even if half of those things are irrelevant for the plot.
I love HxH but sometimes I feel that the series suffers a little bit because of this problem, especially the manga version. It's not a big deal but it could be done better.
i agree 👀 the succession war is confusing af i want to catch up with the manga but i can’t understand the too much text in one panel sometimes
There can be too much exposition sometimes, it doesn’t bother me too much but I would find my self skipping a few seconds during some arcs. To me Kite not getting enlightened Exposition in the 2011 version is worse
Yeah, like that damn elevator on Meruem's castle
As someone with adhd I relate to togashi a lot.
He comes of as someone who hyper fixates on certain concepts, like insects or antique appraisal, and gets really exited to explain and talk about that concept with someone.
Like he incorporates those into the story and over explains the concepts because he's exited talk about whatever's captured his interest at the time
@@marga9003 it’s the best arc though
Yknow, now that i think about it, Togashi did what he did to Kurapika and Leorio to our main characters, Gon and Killua. It’s pretty funny how even our main character duo was dropped.
I can't recall any other show I've watched that actually fully dropped the main character(s) after such a long time. I can only recall Dragonball Z *trying* that at the beginning of the Buu saga, only to immediately bring Goku back because he *is* Dragonball. But strangely enough, Hunter x Hunter is still going even though Gon and Killua are completely out of the story right now, maybe even permanently. It's just weird and conflicting, I still view them as the characters that made the story but somehow the story manages without them.
@@shotgunpete5117 i mean JoJo does this with every new season, but it’s not the same since the whole story is based on the fact that we get a new protagonist each time but on the other hand HxH is hugely inspired by JoJo
@@jurassicshinobi Nen is just Stands with more structure
@@anmolt3840051 I mean I guess?
@@jurassicshinobi But in JoJo case it's different because each part is supposed to be its own unique story with a new protagonist but even then we get to see the former main characters and see what they're up to like Joseph in part 3 or Jotaro for part 4, 5 and I'm assuming 6 as well
I kinda love it that some of the characters aren't always directly involved in the story. It seems too common to have main characters followed through an entire story or have them coincidentally involved in the plot. Leorio makes the most sense to me, since his goals are very different from the other 3. I can see how Kurapika can coincide with Gon's (York arc) due to Hisoka. But now with the dark continent arc, it seems to make more sense for Kurapika and Leorio to be involved, while Gon and Killua chill out doing their own thing. Personally, I think Togashi is striking a good balance. Goddam I like Hxh
Yeah, it makes sense. The floor master thing being abandoned also makes sense, as that wasn't what gon and killua were there for. It exists for people, that want to be World champions or whatever. Most worlds only introduce things that are needed for the plot, but leave out things that aren't needed, but should logically exist.
Hunter x Hunter’s storyline is like a battle with diarrhea. You don’t know when it’s coming, it can smell at times, but boy does it feel good when it comes out.
This is the weirdest yet most accurate comparison of HxH I have ever seen.
No, no... he's got a point
Eww but then you gotta wipe it up... hahaha
Why is that comparison so accurate?
Also when it’s finished it will take a long time to clean up until the next diarrhea.
Weird analogy but yes
I understand the complaints but one of the big messages of the show is how our lives are greatly affected by the seemingly unimportant people along the way.
I remember Togashi said in an interview around 2016-2017 something along the lines of "my stories rarely end in the way in which I originally envisioned them", which to me implies that he does have plans, but often just drops them if he later comes up with something he feels would be better, and I think that explains a lot of your first and second points. Especially if you consider that every plotline derail would lead to future changes in other arcs. He is not fully "pantsing". There are plot points in the manga that pay off 50+ chapters later. But he does change his mind all the time, so there are 2 dropped plot points for each of those.
Also, something to consider is that HunterxHunter was originally conceived as "a manga about collectors" and you can see that many characters up until Greed Island are all "collecting" things in one way or another. The actual plot has completely derailed from that idea, but I think characters such as Zepille are largelly there because they were leftovers from that original concept. I can clearly see an alternate HxH where Gon met Sword Collectors, Painting Collectos, Card Collectors, etc., in which auctions and a counterfeiter character such as Zepille played a much bigger role. But Togashi probably bined all such arc concepts as the plot and momentum didn't really allow for it.
I disagree with Milluki case - from the very start, I felt that his part in arc is to fail, and show how tought is to get Greed Island, and he fulfilled that role perfectly
I definitely get your feeling! It's like being annoyed at the fact that a certain channel is supposed to be talking about every manga in existence, but instead only focuses on one!
I hate this aspect because I want more content about other series that I love or that I'd like to discover via this medium. But at the same time, this channel knows how to please me in its own way, by keeping on talking about the same great manga over and over, and even making fun of its own flaws during every introduction.
Lets get some JoJo pls!
"A series with no maps like One Piece"
Until Nami maps the world, at least.
@Toneri Ōtsutsuki true and then Ohara got blown to shit, now the One Piece world has significantly lesser maps🤣🤣🤣 and one less massive globe
@@General_Li_Shin and some nations/islands are nuked out of existence. So there's that too
You don't have to build up an entire subplot. Togashi doesnt abandon them, he is instead giving you an experience of a world he created, not a story that has to obey Chekhov's gun principle.
Also, the reason leorio disappeared in the story is because him and Kurapika are adults, and these adults perceive the world differently. So in order to introduce the world to us as an audience, it'd only be thematically appropriate to be spoon fed everything if the story happens from the perspective of two kids exploring the world.
By evidence of how freaking complicated the next arc is, because it doesn't focus on gon and killua anymore, it becomes appropriate that we as the audience have graduated from being spoon fed the world and we can already be exposed to a very complicated story through the eyes adults. Kurapika and leorio. This form of story telling is pretty darn impressive. The tone shift in the DC arc doesn't contain the playfulness of children.
Thats a really good point regarding exposing the audience the world togashis created through the eyes of children. I've never thought about that before.
Except for the fact that both leorio and kurapia were underaged when the series started, the same as gon and killua. Togashi stuck them together because he liked their relationship and wanted to develop that, not just because they are kids.
To add onto that, this idea that "they're adults so they see the world differently" isn't something that is ever suggested in the story, so I dont know how that user could say that.
Never thought of that. Cool!
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Nice
I would say that Togashi doesn't leave interesting characters and topics behind, but rather he makes really interesting backround characters, who were never meant to be developed in the first place. It makes the world feel larger and more complex.
Exactly......
Ok but that doesn't narratively feel satisfying. It's impressive how Togashi does it, but it doesn't make for a story that feels satisfying to read/watch.
@@CurrentSoulKing well yeah.......
@@kumarjimishra2044 he's overrated
@@_bakz_3682 who is......?
Honestly everything you mentioned is nullified by the incredible story-telling of Hisoka's hatsu Bungee Gum, which contains the properties of both rubber and gum
But
Killuas lightning has the properties of both zip and zap
I hate how accurate this is... I loved that most of the sub plots just die or have a wtf type ending.. I could never guess how anything was going to end. That style paid off too for mereum death.. not the death we wanted but the death we deserved
You should make a video talking about custom nen abilities. There's a thread I saw on reddit about people creating their own Hatsu's with restrictions and everything. Would be an interesting video series.
This!
r/HatsuVault
Who still uses reddit !?
@@lordmoncef5494 ehh Reddit isn’t that bad. depends on the sub. some are cringey ass cesspools, while others are actually pretty cool.
I've been a dungeon master for 5e D&D and I believe that a hunter x hunter table top is very possible. And also possible to balance. I want to run a table for it one day.
1. Nen type instead of classes
2. The four basic principles plus Nen memory as basic stats.
So Ten, Zetsu, Ren, Hatsu and memory.
The more advanced forms of Nen use like Ko or Gyo you can put points into mastering after you have enough in the parent stats.
So for example Ko would be available once you have enough in Ren and Zetsu and you spend a point on getting it.
I'd probably run it as
Ten Armor class and constitution
Ren amount of aura
Zetsu Stealth
Hatsu would work differently you would choice what Nen type to put a point in. (You get a proficiency bonus on your main stat) Maxing out at a +5 however you max out at only +4 to neighboring nen affinities and farther away a +2
If you use a skill your not naturally good at and or use a skill that uses multiple Nen types it uses up Nen memory. If a move uses more then half your memory then it requires a concentration to maintain. You simply can't learn an ability that uses more then all.
I really need to write this down I got more but yeah.
This series came right after me giving up on the grind that is One Piece and Naruto.
At the time, it blew my mind how FAST the plot moves and how it upended the tropes I was used too.
For that, it holds a special place in my heart.
Same, I can't get into a shounen nearly as much as I like HxH because they're all just so dragged out and filled with reused tropes
I finished one piece and went to hunter x hunter Amazed by how the arcs don’t get dragged on at all and they bring so much emotion into the story
HxH honestly feels just like a custom DnD campaigne with the best kind of Home brew rules (No powersystem will ever top Nen for me) with veteran Dungeon master and players that have (over)seen, heard, weaved and acted out all DnD editions could offer and thus wanted to make this likely last adventure/storyline their Dm prepared the very best. However like most memorable sessions the PCs imagination and spontaneous nature pulled and drove the narrative in an wildly different direction that not even the Dm fully accounted for, but the unexpected, sudden events and creative, intuitive decisions by the party played out all better for it.
Sadly much in the same vein, real life problems and responsibilities caught up to the schedule and resulted in party members and thereby associated plotlines being pushed aside or even dropped and eventually even managing meetups became so difficult that it became an ever rare occurence.
Yeah, it's pacing is just amazing. One piece is just unwatchable, even reading it is too slow.
"Oh man, we better take down Poopy Scroopus, he's SUPER EVIL!"
And then it's a 20 episode fight between Poopy Scroopus and Luffy. Like holy fuck, get on with it
@@chrisj403 yea I literally named myself after OP and like it, but holy shit it's written in the slowest way possible some times.
Iife has few pay-offs, proper resolutions and predictable outcomes.. i enjoyed that part in HxH very much personally. Think of how often you escalete things in your head that can happen in your life for good or bad, and then think about the outcome you got in the end. Life seldom pans out the way you planned or expected
The only thing is in real life you're only one person with one perspective. You can't just randomly jump into the consciousness of other people and see through their eyes, but in media you usually get many perspectives. (One notable exception being Steven Universe where you only get Steven's perspective) for example if gon and Killua leave Milky and we never find out what happens to him that's one thing, but the narrative following him then dropping him is like if you're taking a walk with someone and they suddenly vanish into thin air. It would bother most people that they have no idea what happened to them when they were just with them.
amem. togashi is a master of using those elements to highlight a character or elements of his world.
@@phlpcockrell You failed to see my point completely, I never argued that people can't dislike that. I said i personally liked what i stated. This conversation is unusual to say the least
@@Buaam ive learned that most people cut a fine line in the sand when it comes to realism in stories. They want EVERY story line to be unrealistic. If a character has a plan that falls flat and nothing comes of it (like plans so often do in real life) then readers will say that the author is bad at plotting and wasted everyone's time with the setup.
@@phlpcockrell I'd argue even so, outcomes should nonetheless still be incredibly unpredictable. Multiple perspectives from named characters sound like a lot, but what we know are close to nothing. A person's day consist of 24 hours, how much time do shows generally spend around a single character? You don't know, when a character goes off-screen, any information about his current circumstance.
Maybe the moment he left he got struck by lightning. Maybe the faceless mobs the protagonist wiped the floor with were actually relatives of another important character. Maybe, in your example, Milky got teleported by another nen user due to reasons far beyond the scope of the current plot. These are incredibly absurd, ex-machina events from a narrative perspective, but what is reality other than an amalgamation of countless absurd low-probability events? The butterfly effect is a thing, and the world is consisted by trillions and trillions of butterflies. The reason they typically don't happen in the story is due to nothing more than the reader's expectation and the conservation of narrative details.(which are obviously necessary)
I feel like when we meet characters in Hunter x Hunter and then leave them without getting to know them fully is realistic. When you're on an adventure you meet a shit ton of people, yeah, but realistically you dont spend 2 hours listening to each and everyone of them talk about their past and motivations and llife traumas. Especially Gon and Killua who are kids arent gonna be like "so Goreinu tell me about your whole life story I'm so interested". I agree it is somewhat frustrating to meet people and leave them (I love Leorio so much and I'm lowkey hoping that Gon, Killua and Alluka meet up with Zushi somewhere along the way and form their own little group) but realistically you don't get to know every single person you ever meet deeply, and also thinking of a backstory for every single extra character is exhausting (Imagine if we had to read every single Succession War bodyguard's backstory...) Your points are still valid, though. I absolutely agree.
Objectively bad Hunter x Hunter aspects, though: Palm and Hisoka being pedophiles and creepy with Gon, and it being played off as a joke. And that weird ooc Leorio scene with Leroute in the Trick Tower.
Idk i think pal is pretty funny lol the scene when gon talks about cougars and killuas like whaa lol shit was funny and the tower scene lol "i bet your actually a man" that shit was the funniest of the perverted humor in most all of anime lol
Right
I dont give a shit if its realistic its a shonen show wtf.. at least give me some drama and some memorable moments, but nah it feels pretty boring and slow af
since I'm this early I'll make a joke
who is the spiciest guy on HxH?
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@@samuelherrington6973 yoooooo
You should do a review of YYH here on NWR! Since HxH is never going to end, might as well talk about the togashi manga that *does* end.
Hot take: Goreinu’s nen power is broken... If he teamed up with Knov, their combo of Black Goreinu & Scream could defeat anyone in the HxH world.
Knovs ability shouldnt be able to kill someone far above knov in power and nen based on the fact that conjurer abilities cant be absolute .
@@idirbouchdoug1567 If Knov was able to teleport Netero (and the entire extermination team) with ease, I think he can teleport anything caught in Scream, including the head of an enemy. It’s limited because there are many nen users too fast for Knov to catch... that’s where Black Goreinu comes in.
@@Starvin-Marvin that defies the laws of conjured abilities though , ALL conjured abilities cannot be absolute , meaning there is no ability that can kill anyone if hit by it or in kurapikas example , a chain that is unbreakable. You need Extreme conditions to make your conjured ability close to that , and knov doesn't have any significant drawbacks set to his nen ability and add to that the fact that the king is extremely durable ( dozens of time more durable than the strongest nen users possibly) and the ungodly amount of aura he has that he can use to defend himself and you could confidently say that If knovs ability isn't absolute ( which is most likely how it works) then it shouldn't work on someone so vastly superior in every aspect to knov without some extremely harsh conditions on his ability.
@@idirbouchdoug1567 You misunderstand the nature of Scream... it’s not a killing technique, it’s teleportation: the death of someone is just a natural consequence.
For example: Black Goreinu can teleport anyone (Razor was stronger than Goreinu yet his teleportation was absolute). Goreinu can have Black Goreinu jump into a volcano and teleport/swap with a nearby opponent for an instant kill. Simply put, if an opponent is nearby, all Goreinu has to do is put Black Goreinu into an imminent death scenario and teleport/swap the moment before fatal impact.
Scream is similar. It’s not a kill move, it’s a functional one: teleportation. It can teleport anything in its path (the limitations are obvious: small, short-term, close contact needed, relatively slow, etc). If he teleports a body part, the consequence of death has nothing to do with nen, but everything to do with blood-loss, etc.
@@idirbouchdoug1567 He’s not destroying the opponent, he’s teleporting him. That’s why it can work on anyone, even someone stronger (just like how Black Goreinu can teleport someone stronger).
Knov can’t destroy a stronger opponent’s body, but he can teleport him away. Knov can’t destroy a stronger opponent’s body part, but he can teleport it away IF he can envelope it with Scream (which is nearly impossible for him to do alone against stronger opponents).
Isn't the point of Milluki in York New to bring context to Mr. Battera. Milluki is willing to spend so much to get this game only to get beat by the same person over and over. Showing this is important to the end(ish) of Greed Island as it makes you feel incredibly bad for Battera after seeing how dedicated he has been to this.
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@Jordan Vance how lol, literally any scene of Milluki trying to get Greed Island just ends with him being mad about this Tycoon getting all of them
I'm obssesed with HxH's story structure and world building (as vague as it is), though I would agree it could be frustrating at times.
What I "hate" the most is the fact that Gon and Killua spend so much time training. I like the fact that they're never fully preprared to deal with a situation, but I feel like we could skip some of their training bits.
Also, I would love to get a resolution for the Chrollo - Hisoka fight in the anime, even of its just a final conversation between them, setting up their future fight. If we had that, I would consider the anime finished.
the realism of the story is so great, but also sad. like how gon and killua are completely removed from the story now.
Hiatus
Bland and Unnecessary extra Characters
Threads of story telling as world building and potential plot sidelined forever
@Suley the other 2 are valid
1. Hisoka’s shwing
2. Your shwing
3. My shwing
Nah, he said “3 things I hate”.
Togashi’s total abandonment of a worthwhile map reminds me somewhat sweetly of Sir Terry Pratchett (RIP) who scoffed at the idea of a map for his main Ringworld series for ages and just kinda...kept expanding locations at least somewhat arbitrarily. It was fine.
In some ways, the short introduction of characters with huge roles in the anime mirrors real life. People meet ppl in similar stages in life and ppl who have great impact on them but only for a short time. Not every one you meet is gonna be in your life for a long time. Its the same thing with hunter hunter. We are introduced to numerous characters but for a short time, this helps to unconsciously create a convoluted and dynamic world in hunter hunter. And it pays off when those characters are reintroduced in a current plot.
I like that some characters serve no real purpose. Sometimes some show feel way to predictable and I like that HxH subverts from that
I really just need a phantom troupe backstory + hisoka and chrollo fight animated ( I couldn’t process what was going on in the manga LOL )
Yeah I like the theory that the fight was 3v1 due to Chrollo using three abilities at once in specific moments during the fight, either a mistake by Togashi or Chrollo was using the audience in the arena to cover up additional fighters.
*Me after finishing the phantom troupe arc:*
Wow, this was very good
I can’t wait to see the four working together again
I loved the way characters were handled. The fact that new characters were always being introduced and left out of the story made the world feel more real imo. It wasn't just the same people doing everything, you got new characters doing the new things Gon and Killua were doing and made it feel like others were living in that world too.
Togashi: hmmm I see I'll consider improving on these in the next 100 years
Very contradicting arguments. He basically also said why he does like certain thing within his dislikes.
You also can't have a classical told story if the aim of the story is to add subversions. Keeping fan favourite characters around for the sake of it, also doesn't work within that scheme.
I also didn't get the complaint about the world. Yes, some parts of the world are dangerous, others aren't. Just like the real world. Nothing in the story said that everything outside Whale Island would be full on danger. You can also have multiple metropolitan looking cities. Also no idea why that's such a problem.
Then he goes into saying how OP's map isn't overly specific, while that was his problem with the HxH map. But then he goes and contradicts himself again and praises the way the world was handled in the CA arc with NGL/East Gorteau etc.
I also didn't get the set-up and pay-off complaint. Heavens Arena was never about reaching Battle Olympia. The boys went there to merely make money, then came across Hisoka and Nen and their attention shifted to that. Gon's goal was set-up in the Exam arc to land a hit on Hisoka. Which he did in Heavens Arena, he reached his goal, made some money, learned about Nen. That was the pay-off and went to Yorknew. The pay-off shouldn't have been Battle Olympia.
He also uses the pay-off example with the Zoldyck arc, but he also mentions how he liked the subversion in HxH. Well, that's exactly an example of the type of subversion I liked in HxH. It didn't become a big Zoldyck battle arc to retrieve Killua. Instead we got strangely fatherly, but also sinisterly calculated Silva that set his son free. While knowing one day he'd return and that WAS paid off with Illumi's needle. Silva KNEW Illumi was controlling him. The Zoldyck arc also never officially was an arc. It was merely a bridge between arcs. It works perfectly well that way while introducing Killua's family which we'd deal with a lot more throughout the series.
Also, NO WJS Mangaka plans things ahead. They write/draw for WEEKLY shounen jump and need to work from week to week. HOWEVER, in Togashi's case he did Yu Yu Hakusho first and HxH taks A LOT from YYH. Certain ideas are obviously planned ahead, because they come back from YYH and Togashi executes them in the way he always wanted but couldn't in YYH. HxH is his passion project because he had to stop YYH. Next to that, he also goes into a lot of hiatusses due to his health condition. Which also leads to him writing loads of manuscripts in his time off. He has books filled with stories. So he does plan a lot, a lot more than any ''regular'' WJS writer because he has the time and also the previous work he falls back onto.
Gon's tranformation for example was planned out. He laid seeds throughout HxH. And it's basically Yusuke's sudden Mazakou reveal done better and more prepared.
Oh yeah and Zepile was used to escape from Nobunaga and also to appraise Gon's character. Which proves SUPER IMPORTANT in understanding who Gon really is.
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@DJ Barrett about the set up. I think he plan to use them later (I think the battle beetwen hisola/chrolo was in the master floor) Sadly he didn't executed them yet.
@DJ Barrett Yes I caught up. what did you dislike about it ? we have seen how a master floor fight look like and the level of mind game and nen use was pretty impressive (I hoped it would be animated in the futur) for me (I still think it will be use again later). Also it look to set up a tragic outcome for the current arc.
He is a one piece fan at heart, their shonen drug is eating up bad volumes of the most side character possible fighting another irrelevant character just because they have appeared 1 minute and need something to do.
At the same time the story has to focus on the world, meaning by that exploring random places like one piece when it's clear that Togashi doesn't care at all about that it's just an alternate modern earth with some drops of fantasy paint here and there that are used to write whatever thing he wants to write. HxH is not an exploration manga and it's not a war manga between nations, evil rulers that have to be taken down or want destroy the world etc.
@@byrcust1858 lmao hard true I'm impressed how oda use each character but it can be annoying
red herring, it is just purposefully making you believe one thing.
I’ve never been this early before, it feels oddly satisfying.
On probably the shittiest NWR video he’s ever made. Congrats.
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@@WestonEvans i smell salt
Two things that annoys me is the lack of waifus and the first third of Chimera Ant Arc's pacing was off to me
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@@lrblueslowbro5302 no need to be an a hole
I think the pacing was really well done. If we didnt get that set up there was no way we'd be able to connect to the whole ant situation as much as we do.
What are you talking about? Bisky and Hisky, are top waifus.
@@udigal3539 Yeah but just two though even though they're top tier ain't enough for me
Honestly, something that annoys me is kite being alive, which is stupid.
Another one is in the video, how the world has locations that are incredibly uninteresting like every city. And the rocks in greed island.
Ponzu and Pokkle are examples of characters that got screwed by the pantsing strategy. Pokkle especially was set up to return as he passed the hunter exam, and then he had this ability which was a color spectrum that implied he had 7 different arrows but he only used 2 and then died. He and Ponzu were both useless in the Chimera Ant arc. Why were they even there and why did they have to die so early? Ponzu was also derailed in the Chimera Ant arc. Ponzu was never a weak, skittish person. She made it to the fourth phase of the Hunter Exam all on her own. She would have passed if Gon didn’t screw her over. In Chimera Ant, her bees are only used for recon purposes even though they are supposed to be her defense as well. She even says (in the dubbed version at least, the original translation may be different) something along the lines of “If I ever scream or fall, these guys will come out and protect me”. We literally see her scream and fall over and the bees don’t do anything. It seems like Togashi just ran out of uses for Ponzu and Pokkle and realized they weren’t needed at all. It’s kinda wack sometimes. I also wondered why Milluki even partook in the Yorknew auction and nothing came from it.
At times I actually like the fact that Togashi takes time to introduce characters and mechanics not instrumental to the plot, just to help the setting feel more real
My No1 annoyence with HxH is the final battle in the chimera ant arc taking 50 ep to explain 2 hours of time in the show
Hunter x hunter we will miss you
The only thing I want to see from Gon is him sitting quietly in his room meditating..
*zooms in on Gons chest*
A light flickers. His nen reborn.
Thats it, thats all I want
I personally prefer how togashi doesn't feel restrained by typical narrative structure. It makes the world feel more real because in real life you don't have "setups" and "payoffs." Sometimes you'll feel like your life is building towards something and your life gets completely derailed as you have to switch focus to something else.
This explains the difference between One Piece and Hunter x Hunter without explaining it directly
I like how the crew switched almost every arc
I made the mistake of letting the internet hype Hunter x Hunter up way too much for me. I was expecting this greatness on par or better than FMA:B, and I was super disappointed and annoyed with it throughout my entire initial watch through. I liked aspects of the show for sure, but the things that I disliked really overshadowed them. I found myself just slogging through the end wishing for it to be over.
After finishing the series, oddly enough I started having a lot of fun reading/watching peoples' deep dives into various characters, nen powers, and things that happen in the manga after the show. I found myself WAY more intrigued by the world, story, characters, and metaphors than when I was actually watching the show. I think the problem was just that it was overhyped plus everything stated in this video lol.
For me it was the opposite tbh. After watching HxH, I decided to watch FMAB because I constantly heard praise about it being on the same level as HxH. I watched it and it was certainly good, but not as good as HxH for me. I consider it to be a little overrated, but a very good anime nonetheless.
I think the main difference between the two is that HxH is more experimental and has ups and downs, whereas FMAB has a cohesive and concise storyline. That being said, I found HxH’s highs to surpass anything in FMAB. I also preferred the characters in HxH and I liked the world more.
@@zaynthemane Totally fair opinion and interesting that we occupy two sides of the same coin. I think you hit the nail on the head re: HxH being more experimental and FMAB being more of a concise story. For me, the fact that it was all so cohesive through to the end, and also is a complete story, added a lot to the highs for me.
I would love to see the manga completed, and then the show given the 'Brotherhood' treatment in which they re-do the entire show from the beginning to the end, following the manga's ENTIRE story line (including Gon meeting Kite in the FIST PANEL OF THE FIRST CHAPTER which is kind of a major fuck up in the show lol).
@@davidma6616 Yep, me too. I also plan on watching HxH 1999 and the original FMA to see how they stack up to the remade versions.
wow two people on the internet with differing opinions but can respect each others opinions. pretty cool
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That picture made me realize that Miluki is just fat Feitan
Fourth thing I hate about hunter x hunter is the fact that Hisoka's nen has the properties of BOTH rubber AND gum. C'mon now that is just over powered.
In fairness, I distinctly remember a rumor that the creator made the hunter exam arc without Nen in mind, and decided on it being a thing for the heavens arena arc. During the test, one of the professional hunters acts surprised about Hisoka "having some kind of aura"
The way I was just as conflicted with these and end up concluding the same thing as always:
Ahh yes.....I love Hunter x Hunter.
In my subjetive view HxH is almost perfect. It fits to my tastes and satisfies them almost precisely as I would want it. It goes indepth in topics I want to know more about and does it in a very organic way thus making the world of HxH seem extremely complex and alive. My biggest criticism is that it's very far from satisfying my curiosity and all the loose ends all due to hiatus that just never ends. Togashi, pls.
I mostly love all of these aspects, but I see your points.
I appreciated the various setups and characters and how the series forgot about them. For 2 reasons. 1, it emulates life and how we all are on our own journey and the people we meet are just temporary facets along the way(except for killua hanging onto gon for unhealthy no-goal reasons, and once he gets a goal, he leaves too). And 2, the changing of scenarios allows the show to evolve and explore different aspects of maturity rather than spend eons in setup and the purgatory of over explanation. Yes we learned about floor masters while they were relevant, but once our goal changed, why do we care anymore? We're on to the next thing, not staying in the arena for years of filler because that has no purpose in finding Ging.
Fun fact : Bungee gum has the properties of both rubber and gum.
I want to see the entire world map, if the known world is just a lake on 1 continent, I want to see a world map showcasing just how small and insignificant the known world really is.
togashi interduce interesting characters and ideas to make the world feel big and real and if he were to follow every sub-plot to the end we would have more filers than the main story it self
He didn't do much with heavens arena arc just cuz killua and gon were planing to get stronger so gon could beat hisoke to start searching for his father and if they suddenly decide stay and become floor masters that would be against the idea of the entire anime which is finding gons father
I personally think knuckles nen ability was probably meant for leorio or the con artist gon and killua met in the New York City ark
*3 things I hate about Hunter Hunter*
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What you're talking remember me about The Never-ending Story, it also has lots of plot points that begin and are abandoned (although it is very explicitly intentional).
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this video must be a meme, hxh can't be discriminated against or my pew pew gun go to face
Only here for Biskey, she is the heart and soul of the series.
love gon & killua's "what did he say about us?" looks. :3
the only things i'd say i don't like about hunter x hunter are:
for some uses of nen it could explain it a bit more clearly(not categories as a whole since i find it very easy to follow just probably streamline a few with how much detail is given.) ,
some characters use(i wish we saw zushi & wing in hisoka vs chrollo though i think it works with them living their own story like an off-screen story in one pieces cover pages or a feel from a character still being around after a stories ending,instead of genthru i'd have the phantom troupe be a continued threat in greed island as they were just there to keep zanzan from being a plothole in the chimera ant arc when they could've had been in a enemy mine situation/had their story of leadership in chrollo's absence from locked nen resolved in greed island,maybe handle greed islands characters presence more as some plain disappear in odd ways to me imo and kurapika/leorio encounter the ants to give the intended threat they had more.),
story structure(while i actually love the zoldyck arcs ending and didn't mind greed islands ending i can see what newworldreview means by hunterxhunter being jagged loose with it's world structure compared to other shonen jump series as some characters/the main world still feels as even more unexplored than the dark continent and think some arcs could be done better like the succession war which i still consider part of the dark continent arc as it just had no real segway to it the chimera ant arc where i'd have the ants influence go to a few areas from previous arcs to give them their intended threat as i never got that at all outside meruem,have kite stay dead to give gons sacrifice/near death meaning as kite's/a few others like palm reincarnation made the threat of the ants somewhat hollow to me i think killua was better handled story wise than gon and maybe rework parts of komugi as i didn't imo feel a genuine relationship bringing the ants empathy at all and more an attempt to do it despite their heinous,horrific,unforgivable actions making her feel like a Stockholm syndrome case than a heartwarming protected injured bird and didn't feel anything other than "glad they're dead" which considering netero's fight and parting words with his fight i can see being togashi's intent. )
and togashi keeping track of his hiatus.(i feel unless if he has other people work with him on spreading different plot points while he speeds the main stories pace i feel some plot points are dead like gyro/hisoka's challenge to gon unless if its worked in well and gon's story is imo done as outside maybe a side story of killua/alluka's journey across the old continent i don't see a timeskip,though i would love to see him and mito meet killua & alluka again.).
Another good example would be the way different characters have various unexplained systems to quantify and measure nen, like Knuckles aura quantities and multipliers or Kurapika talking about nen levels with regards to emperor time. In a way its realistic, no one really knows how nen works, so they come up with different systems to explain parts of it
That's a good point,I really did want to see the top floor of Heaven's Arena
Also,another thing I want to know is how strong Wing was,we didn't see his hatsu or anything really
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Remember the ninja dude from the hunter exam ark, we’ve never seen him but he was one out of three who knew nen before the exam
Hanzo, he's going to be in the dark continent arc at some point possibly, I remember seeing him along with kurapika get hired to help guard one of the princes so hes on the ship as well but he hasn't came up yet? idk the wiki says He is currently one of the bodyguards of Prince Marayam Hui Guo Rou.
I would say in a richer way you Leave them and come back later the thing i like and don’t like is that there’s seems to be no main character in hunter hunter
You're totally right. The problem is that some of us(fan boys) are biased to the extent that they don't want to admit that there are some parts that don't make sense in the series
The video itself is pretty well made, you pointed out what makes Hunter X Hunter good and why that also makes other parts bad, and I think you made good arguments for your case, but the title of the video feels like clickbait. As another guy commented, "I can smell the immediate clicks."
1. You said you didn't like the style in which Togahi creates his storyline, calling it inefficient and pointing out several plot points were 'abandoned,' but then in your next point you admit that Hunter X Hunter would not be the story it is if Togashi did not pursue this style of unpredictable writing, where we don't know what characters and scenes will impact the story.
2. This logic applies the first two points you made. You can't have it both ways. That's like eating cheesecake, saying you hated the fact it used sugar, and then finishing off by admitting that the cheesecake wouldn't have tasted that way without the sugar that made you gain weight, so therefore you don't want the sugar out of the cheesecake.
3. Did you know that bungee gum has the properties of both rubber and gum?
3. Gyro's very existence. He exists as a teaser for things to come MAYBE, but otherwise sticks out like a sore thumb.
2. Togashi did not plan enough ahead to make sure he finishes the thing before dying. CAN he finish before dying?
1. First anime version ending the way it did, and 2011 being a reboot, essentially burying 1999 and spitting on its grave.
The way Togashi throws the laws of conservation of detail and narrative causality out the window makes the world of HxH feel so *alive* in a way most stories don't. Random extras don't feel like random extras, and the protagonists don't feel like the center of the universe. It's inefficient and leaves a lot of permanently loose ends, but it gives the series a really unique feel
What does it matter that we don't explore floor masters and such after they're explained? It just helps with the world building. In real life, you might learn about something cool without ever experiencing it.
My least favorite thing is how Lori didn't exist for 99% of the series
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Who is Lori?
leorio?
My main gripes are Nanika’s existance and ESPECIALLY kite’s revival
Ayyyyyyy ben 10 is my childhood
How about Hisoka's revival? I'm pretty sure it can't be archieved with properties of robber and gum...
@@AkantorCZ archived or achieved?
Let's talk about that "10 seconds" in universe which was like...ACTUALLY three episodes.
The thing about clickbait is that it takes advantage of having a bold title for clicks while not delivering the promise.
But this is a bold title that risks downvotes on top of not being a bait.
So thats a thumbs from this guy
I agree with not understanding the world due to the technical/fantasy differences, and I'm so glad you feel the same way 'cause a lot of other people I mentioned it to don'. In the early segments of Hunter x Hunter we dealt with big creatures, unexplored territory, boats and airships for transportation, weird fantasy stone tower prisons with traps... then we get into Yorknew City and it's like, cell phones and limos and business suits in modern day.
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I believe Togashi writes HxH as if he were a hunter himself. Hunters are selfish, and are willing to drop everything to pursue one specific goal. Togashi is also selfish, and only wants to write stories he finds interesting. Characters exist for only as long as Togashi feels we need them, then those storylines are dropped in favor of his next selfish fancy. If Togashi really is writing with no clear plot ahead of him then he is hunting after his own story. Togashi rules.
Things I personally dont like about H×H:
In the 2011 version, Kite wasn't introduced early on like he was in the 1999 version, and I think the manga. This made it harder for a lot of fans to understand the significance he had to Gon, and therefore understand Gon's reaction. The fandom doesn't really care about the story, just about the *funny wacky* characters, haha. Its fun at times but when thats it, and no one discusses what actually makes it good, it gets a little annoying. Also the movies. The movies suck.
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I know the movies aren't canon. But Kite was introduced immediately in the manga, was he not? Sorry if my comment doesn't make sense, I can edit it to be more coherent
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The video is, but the comment is my personal view on the entirety of it.
I hate the way Gon doesn't evolve his nen abilities. He only does Jajanqen and it's boring. If he could do more, he would have been a more efficient fighter. I even thought adult Gon would have had more up his sleeves. And guess what, it was the same old Jajanqen. It was powerful, but it was boring. For God's sake, people come up with a lot of Hatsu. And Gon the main character with so much potential just has one
I love this series, but god, does point two kill me (also point one). Because so many of the characters show up only to later get dumped, the only characters I can manage to get invested in are Gon and Killua, except the series often seems far more interested in following these characters that I know are never going to have any satisfying payoffs or real character arcs. I spent a huge chunk of the Chimera Ant arc just not caring about anything that was happening. Now that Killua's out of the series for the foreseeable future, I just don't think I can bring myself to read anything after the end of the anime.
Also, a prime combo of both points one and two - I just made it to the second to last episode of the series. At the end of the Chimera Ant arc, Killua had that great moment where he was all 'I'm gonna clean up Gon's mess as usual, but this time I'll make him apologize.' Then, for the duration of the next arc, his primary motivation is a character he's never mentioned before. Okay. Alluka fixes Gon, and it's pointed out that Killua was gone when Gon woke up. Okay. It's the second-to-last episode. What I want is to see these two characters reunite, especially since I know they're about to part ways.
What I get is something like ten minutes of the Koala, who has done next to nothing other than stand in the background up to this point, explaining his motivations and trying to find redemption and I'm just - what??? Why does this matter? I have no reason to care about this character? Why are we spending time resolving a character arc that he never had instead of resolving whatever was going on with Gon and Killua???
And then Gon and Killua just, reunite offscreen and it was apparently all very uninteresting. And then they part ways, and it's still pretty low-key, despite them being the only consistent character from the beginning and, consequently, being the driving force behind the show. They just get a little montage and then Killua is gone.
This show is just so frustrating. It taunts you with these amazing setups, and then gives you no catharsis.
The payoff bit Is the only reason why I put Chimera ant over York New. The ant arc was complete and York New left me hanging
Biscuit I feel was explored well enough aside not going with the ant team to fight for the world but overall even during the current arc she is probably my favorite female in the story.
Yeah gotta say point one/two is what many watch HxH for. It feels more lifelike when things you'd think would have payoffs, just don't and payoff comes from no setup sometimes.
Jojo vids. MHA vids. Attack on Titan vids. FMA/Brotherhood vids (and comparisons would be interesting as I never watched the original anime).
You can explore anything you want, Liam! You will be the king of pirates of UA-cam!
the moment where the improvisation really hit me hardest the first time i read this was wing's hesitation and borderline fear to teach nen to gon and killua, and then that hesitation turned out to be completely useless and meaningless.
People usually refer to HxH as a Shounen deconstruction, and i fully agree with that, but it's also a "story deconstruction" to an extent.
I know nothing about storytelling but, from my ignorance, i dont fully agree with Chekhov's Gun and apparently Togashi couldn't care less.
In real life things dont just exist to serve a purpose in someone's story, and that's fine.
I like traditional storytelling like everyone else, but it can get reall really predictable. Sure, there can be some amazing plot point following this criteria (Lavoon, to name one), but it either takes a literal monster of storytelling or it gets really dull.
I LOVE the fact that in HxH a lot of things are there to be abandoned in the future, this is why HxH as a story feels much more natural than everything i've ever watched / read. Sure the worldbuilding is inconsistent and we spend very little time making it work, but the same happens for the real world. We dont spend time making everything consistent in our world, we live it and we dont reall question how "beliveable" it is.
HxH dives deep into a lot of weirdness and yet is able to be a very beliavable story for this reason. If Togashi introduced half of the characters and every single one of them had a purpose or an arc HxH would feel so contrived it's painfull. I like to think Leorio is the extreme example of this, of Togashi giving us a great character only to barely see him again, and even tho i love Leorio i really like how he handles it. Even the return of characters like Kurapika, Hisoka or Bisky always feels "natural" and it never feels like "of course he comes back, he's an important element in the plot".
Guess I never realized this, but I think Togashi has a gardening-style of story-writing (seeing where the story goes without planning too far ahead. Letting the story develop itself). That might explain the set-up of things/characters that get dropped later.
Something I began enjoying A LOT after watching it (and I used to hate it because it hurt me but when I got over it I thought it was brilliant)... I used to watch it (as I watched a lot of things) thinking "ok, according to writing conventions, this is what should happen... This guy should live... This guy should die..." And so on. And HxH is the only story in which I'm more wrong than right. And I LOVE IT for it. It began feeling like the real world. It's true I didn't care about a lot of characters, but I don't need to. This actually taught me the value of NOT overanalyzing shit using conventions all the time!! (I still sometimes do it... But I really try not to hahahaha. It does ruin the immersion and all that). So thank you Togashi 💜
I rlly love the anime except the filler arc the chimera ant one
I almost punched u in yo face
What lol
Really? I thought Chimera Ant arc was great. Not perfect, but quite possibly the best arc in the series. Greed Island sucked though.
Yeah it definitely didn't seem like something togashi would write
@@DVRKSTXR chimera ant arc will forever be #1 greatest arc in anime history with one piece's marine ford being second best arc ever.
I’m watching more and more of Hunter X Hunter (just finished the 3rd blue-ray set) and the more that I watch, more that I couldn’t help but feel that it’s overrated. I do say that I still like it and might recommend it to *VETERAN* shonen/anima fans, but I alway get a funny look when someone say that HxH is a top-tier story. Because AS WELL AS all the things you mentioned, like inconsistent story or disappearing characters, I got TWO MORE issue that it’s holding it back.
1 is that it jam pact with plot points, information, and complexities that it gets confusing really quickly. HxH expects you learn all these new details and simultaneous events and also expects that you memorised them the first time you learn them. It likes to be very complex for complexities sake and think it very smart for doing so. Did the Hunter Exam really had to be 5 phases long (excluding the tests set BEFORE AND AFTER THE EXAM)? Do you really have to make Nen a really complicated and intricate power system? And how many cards that Tagashi make and many of the were used in the
Greed Island arc? While some say this give HxH a unique atmosphere and something expected for the characters in the story need/do. I’d say you can remove all the superfluous details and it will have minimal impact on the story.
My 2nd problem is the beginning, in that it drops you down and expects you to run. Now, this is a personal rule, but I feel a good beginning in an anime shouldn’t be long or be left with cliffhangers. A introductory arc should be only 5-10 episodes long and new watchers can safely stop at episode 4 or 5 (I.e: No hanging plots that forces you to watch the ep after). This way, new watchers can safely guess where the story might be heading but still content about stopping there. I’d say anime like One Piece, Jojo, Naruto, One Punch Man, and even Bleach passes this criteria.
But for HxH, it’s the opposite. By 4th episode, the characters would have entered the latter half of the 1st phase of the Hunter Exam and finishes it at the episode 5. You might kind of guess where the story can go from there, but still don’t know who will pass the exam and be left hanging. And meanwhile, the 1st arc is 21 episodes long. That’s about nearly as long as a single season anime of the 2000’s. This really annoyed me the 1st time I watched HxH as it requires me to bing watch a full season of anime before I can get a firm opinion, where I’m sure I can get quicker opinion on any other anime.
In summation, with these problems AS WELL AS the one in the video, I am left very underwhelmed and disappointed in Hunter x Hunter. I feel it like a B-Grade (good) at best and a C-Grade (“Eh, Ok”) at worst.