Kirby>goku: aint agile enough Kirby>saitama: god killer, man physic Kirbysteve Goku?saitama: who knows Gokiben:X isnt physically op Goki>steve Saitamasteve Ben=/steve
7:56 in the kirby games, blade knight is a charachter that wields a sword, but uses it at a basic level. When kirby inhales blade knight, he gets sword abilityand is proficient with it. Enough so to even duel meta knight. So by that logic, if kirby inhaled goku he would master ultra instinct.
I think there actually was a fan animation (CharlesCBernardo) where Saitama trains Kirby for a Megaton Punch contest, but then Kirby just eats him and desintegrates earth entirely, so yeah
saiki and saitama are both gag characters, so if they're allowed to be at the levels of strength that we see them at in their shows, then they'd most likely be the last two left. (minus ben, i think he'd also survive)
The whole thing about Saitama’s character is that no one truly knows his limits, not even himself. Just because no one has seen him accomplish the stuff Goku has doesn’t mean that he can’t. People arguing over whether Goku or Saitama would win in a fight are missing the point of Saitama. Edit: People in the comments keep proving my point of how redundant this argument is
Well said I think it's best to just leave him out of the whole Vs argument there are much better debates to be had. No one can agree on the power scaling so neither party can be right. Is rather debate stuff like Goku Vs something stupid like overhaul who can just smear someone into 2d by touching them, but is also just a dude.
Well, Goku is vulnerable to joke character power scaling (that one time he lost to Arale.) So it's not too out there to say that Saitama wins just out of being somewhat a joke character.
That's a no limit fallacy and with that alone we cant fully argue who would win so we have to go off of feats alone and with that goku wins. That argument falls flat when you consider that chiaotzu hasn't gone full power since nappa but is very clearly weaker than tien
also: "destroyed a moon" level isn't quite right when even doing a single held back punch blew through a legitimate mountain and a solid amount of clouds with only the shockwave and air pressure. he's also apparently immortal or something, only taking minor scratches from god tier attacks and such. combine that with the fact that he almost always hits things with only ONE punch, knows barely anything of martial arts or any combat expertise, and has pretty much always held back in every fight, and i get the feeling that if you taught saitama any kind of martial art he'd need cheese strats like airblast or something to beat. (his weakness: joke character/close range. keep the boi away and you should be mostly okay.)
@@TwilightFlower9 goku "lost" (I might be misremembering but wasnt the fight a draw? Beerus interrupted it) to arale because shes a gag character. Theres a very big difference between a gag character and a parody character. Arale is a gag character because she can punch earth in half and then the earth is fine next frame. Saitama is a parody character because hes just mocking strong anime characters while still needing to obey the rules of his universe. Any damage he does cant be reversed, such as the mountain he destroyed while fighting genos
I would like to mention that Kirby can indeed inhale things larger than him without Hypernova. This is shown in Return to Dreamland, where he can inhale blocks larger than himself
I would like to mention as well that in a specific kirby game he was infact able to store abilities for later (I forget which game) which he can call upon whenever he wants once obtained
@@egglord2029 The most recent Kirby game specifically says that he was only able to stretch that much because of a weird side affect of him travelling to that dimension, it's unconfirmed whether he keeps that ability after he left that world though.
@@PointsofData saiki doesnt have any emotions, so being cute does not apply, he would just take his glasses of and turn everyone into statues, or if they have time to prepare he can just time travel and kill his enemies before they become a threat
@@skibbledebabble1853 yes, they would. there have been no restrictions stated to saiki's stone eyes ability, so if we are staying true to the story of both, yes.
This would basically end up being a fight between Saiki and Ben as their the strongest people their(in terms of hax). I know people are gonna say Goku would win but Goku has no chance against 2 universal reality warping beings.
I think this is probably the first time I’ve seen Ben brought up in a debate like this outside the Ben 10 fandom. I’m also relatively surprised nobody brought up GER Giorno or Heaven Ascension DIO since both have the most OP abilities in all of JoJo’s.
GER is basicly just a stalemate. Its a counter that can activate without the user being aware of whats happening, but just BARLEY killed diavolo in like 3 barrages. It might even be weaker than Star Platinum in strength (probably not but its likley) As for High on Heaven DIO, it can only go two ways 1. He gets speed blitzed before he can do anything and dies 2. Since nobody can see his stand, he 1 taps everyone
@@LucasNo577 The rule isn't "Only people who can sense souls can see stands" its "only people that have stands can see stands". Also, a stand is the manifestation of the soul, not the soul itself. Also, souls are not energy.
I love Maya pulling up and being like "hey guys i know this has nothing to do with the conversation but-NO ONE CARES". Definitely me in every group chat 🥲
Ok so who would win well Steve isn’t as strong as people think I Minecraft lore things in Steve’s inventory are weight less so he’s about as strong as a normal human and one punch man has no limit meaning he could get infinitely stronger but in his universe there nothing strong enough to push him to get any stronger like a body builder but only with 5 pound weights and the fighter’s would have no prep time and one punch man at his most probably could destroy a star and that being generous and that is impressive but Ben 10 when ailen x destroyed a universe with a thought and gouku um that complicated and idk know much about him but i think Ben when ailen x could defeat him and Kirby kills gods all the time he once killed a god who destroyed a universe by just waking up and has been stated to have infinit power so I think Kirby could take Ben in ailen x form but it could go either way I think either Ben 10 or Kirby wins.
Joaquim Sosa 682 isnt immortal, hes just very adaptive. And you could probably find a way to almost permanently contain the peanut. The eye things or maybe just broadcast it.
I think they’re forgetting something. A certain game called “Kirby Clash”. Kirby in that game has basically the ultimate form of every single power. (Excluding the robot and hypernova) He was also able to defeat alternate and parallel realities, such as the soul melter modes. He destroyed Void Termina 3 times over, even when he didn’t have a single ally or power. Keep in mind, Void Termina is the embodiment of “Dark Matter”, the villain in pretty much every Kirby game. Kirby has also defeated Galactica Knight, the greatest warrior in the multiverse, and his final form, Morpho Knight. Aside from that, he was also able to defeat Magolor, the Dark Wizard who got his hands on the Master Crown, Star Dream, the smartest AI ever created, being able to open portals, black holes, control all of Haltmann’s machines, and recreate beings from the past or future, as well as other realities, and Queen Sectonia, who was able to control “The Dream Stalk” at her will, being able to pretty much spread it everywhere over Planet Popstar like a plague. Oh yeah, and Marx. The one purple jester we all know and love :3
I’m sure Kirby would win ONLY because he PHYSICALLY can’t take more than one damage at a time (usually he has 6 health) so he could just swallow them and spit them out while damage boosting
If Goku looses to Saitama (did I spell it right?) he would be ecstatic, not only is this guy a stronger challenge for him to try to overcome, but he also doesn't threaten to destroy something every 5 minutes like beerus does.
Yeah, Goku is eager to find a person stronger than him, or atleast give him a good fight. If he loses, Goku just trains harder, to eventually win. Goku’s pride is just fighting a good fight.
@@aaronondaye250 since when? Yeah his power is insane and there is no doubt about it, there are limitations of his character. We would like to say he can just go above and beyond but until he actually does that, ultra instinct is about as high as we can get. However everything that we have seen saitama fight instantly gets obliterated no matter how strong they seem, you say the dude destroyed planets but it’s said he traveled the galaxy to find saitama and saitama beat him with no repercussions on himself whatsoever.
@@honque2490 bro just cuz u travelled a galaxy it doesnt mean anything he travelled in a ship also beerus traveled a universal distance and goku still got whooped
Cartoon lawyers fighting over fictional characters I mean the last time I checked Ben was made in america so he ain't anime and steve and kirby are video game.
The weirdest part about Kirby is that when he gets a game over it’s not because he dies, he just gets tired and you wake him up to try again (at least in older games), so it’s like Pokemon, they don’t really die as much as get KO’d / too tired
Kirby is just laughing at any argument. My boy has a backlog of feats that make him high universal tier. EDIT: And after thinking about it, beating Void Termina, a literal universe-ending god, means a more fair matchup would be Zen-Oh of all people.
Steve's thorns armor will damage those who attack him. Basically UNO Reverse card. Also, if Kirby is allowed to have these feats as his abilities, Steve should have Creative.
Shaggy: Im impreased im gonna fight a kid with a cool watch , a small living ball, and a bald man. You know i wont even have to use 11% of my power on you, you all will surfer painfull deaths
I'm not sure who exactly was the person Ema was representing, but I just gotta say, absolutely loved them. Felt like a calm and collected soul in this chaotic mess of fictional characters being in a theoretical fight. Oh, and Apollo. Rooting so hard for Steve to then realizing reality with the tier list 😂 I really enjoyed his presence too, feels like something I would do. Like if I was trying to hold my own in front of actual professors who know their sht. Ha, he tried his best, you gotta appreciate him for that. Keep trying man, you'll make it one day. 💪
4:50 Isn’t... isn’t the whole point of his first World Martial Arts Tournament for Roshi to teach him that there will always be someone stronger than him? Y’know... a lesson in humility? Plus, the “oops my fist slipped” was literally him punching a genocidal universe conquering tyrant. so i think that’s justified.
But in Amazing Mirror doesn't Kirby have an ability literally known as the Copy ability? He scans an enemy and it gets damaged whilst also taking the enemy's ability.
Give Saitama a few more years of "character development" and I bet we will see a better idea of what he can actually do. We always pit him against 100% max potential characters like UI Goku or endgame Ben10 or whatever.. but never really considering the time it took to get that powerful in the first place. Maybe we have only seen less than 1% of Saitama's power and that he is multi-universal destruction, but only from where he punches. That's a huge problem in the power scale community by the way. If they can destroy a universe but didn't do it yet, then there must be a very good reason: power levels really are bullcrap. If they can blow up a solar system I wanna see it or they can't do it. Or is a simple description from the manga saying "they did" is enough for you? In any case the common logic i see is: Goku is strongest because he has the most screen time powering up.
Yeah wait for Saitama to actually break a significant sweat then we'll debate different universes because by God I cant stand trying to agree on logic for Saitama
@@gigaatom Really Saitama is just planet level at best, mostly because lack of big opposition and relying on their statements. But people try to force the narrative that he is invincible/omnipotent and not just an elephant fighting ants.
@@sirkillalot9892 They only really think that because he is "supposedly" a gag character. Even if he was, look at Arale, she's a gag character yet she lost to Beerus
I just find it funny how this whole video they argue, and literally no one thought that Steve just had a Respawn Button, No One Said It Was Hardcore Mode…
19:05 actualy in order for alien x to have reacreated the universe as he did in omniverse he would have had to know the exact position and direction of every particle in the universe, and acording to the theory of causation this would make him able to predict the future.
it is also canon that Alien X exists outside time so he can see all of time at once. when present Ben or future Ben transforms into Alien X, it's the same Alien X every single time. it is confirmed to be omnipresent
I love how no one cared about Ben until the end where they were just like: oh yeah Ben beat up a god on multiple occasions and stoped the big bang. Also bonus thing: the first time the analarg (the big bang maker) he didn't even REALISE the universe was being destroyed. Also stoped a time bomb destroying EVERY TIMELINE, WITHOUT ALIEN X Edit: I have 9 likes on this and I'm sad that's the highest amount of likes I've ever got lol
@@otakusensei3549 now I have eleven. And now I'm wondering what would happen if they added Kevin 11 to the argument (all Omnitrix aliens absorbed AND he has his own from the remake)
I love how they didn't even mention Steve's god apples. Also, since Saiki has *extreme* intelligence, he could figure out how to prevent Alien X from interfering, and therefore beat Ben.
@@CommentPositionInformer He can simply remove his limiters and probably go back to when Alien X was weakest before it can interfere and beat it to death
@@Cl-2048 alien x was weakest? bruh lmao Alien X was never "weak". Omnitrix turns users into the prime version of the selected species for their age. there is no "young" or "previously weak" alien x.
kirby is like canonicaly god. and i’m not sure but it’s implied he became the god of death or judgement or whatever. and is unaffected by death. also he can inhale cars and huge stairs now so that’s a thing
The fact that Wright is correct about Kirby, in a main line game: Planet Robobot, if you pause the game while Kirby is in his base form, it states that he has limitless power, something along that line. In another game it states that his stomach is a literal BLACK HOLE. If we get rid of the fact that Steve isn't in creative mode or in his world, Kirby oneshots.
We are talking about creative mode steve which has strength to destroy even outerversal plus things in 1 shot durability that cant even be hurt and his hax are inf since steve can change the game code
@@lancetheking7524 they give others their op form but they dont give steve thats to unfairness they also dont give saiki an rule either this thing is mostly 1 sided
If I could. I still think Saitama is in the running here. If I'm not mistaken, his strongest feat we've seen so far is Season 1, Episode 12. "The Strongest Hero", in which during his fight with Boros, he unleashed his strongest move we've seen so far. "Killer Move. Serious Series. Serious Punch." which, as we see, completely nullified Boros's ultimate move "Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon" which is said to be able to destroy entire planets, we see the clouds part across the entirety of planet earth in the aftermath. This is where most people stop at disecting his power level. But if you continue the scene a bit further, we see Boros is still alive, albeit in pieces, and dies moments later, but before he does, he has this exchange with Saitama. Saitama:"You're still conscious? You really are strong." Boros:"The Prophecy held true...the battle was...hard fought..." Saitama:"Yeah....it sure was." Boros:"...You lie...you had strength to spare....I never stood a chance....it wasn't even a battle...so much for prophecies....you were too strong...Saitama." Boros outright calls Saitama out. Even with the Serious Punch, Saitama was still holding back. Meaning we have yet to see the full extent of his power. Characters like Goku are always seen hitting SOME sort of limit, then overcoming it, currently, Goku's limit is fully mastering Ultra Instinct, and he'll probably overcome that at some point as well. The thing with Saitama is, we haven't SEEN that limit yet. We have only seen him at his WEAKEST, which is his fight with Crablante, prior to his 3 years of training. The weakest attack we see AFTER his training, I think is his crotch shot to Speed-O'-Sound Sonic. We have not yet seen him throw his STRONGEST attack, meaning he is taking things seriously, and throws a punch to the fullest extent of his power, not holding ANYTHING back. Until we see him at his absolute apex, facing a foe just as durable and strong as him, UNTIL HE REACHES HIS LIMIT, we cannot accurately compare his strength to others. That's his entire point as a parody/joke character. He beats EVERYONE he meets. Meaning, until otherwise, be treated as "he wins unless he just doesn't care and walks off". Like he does in "A Hero Nobody Knows" when you put two Saitama's against each other, as Saitama is the only one that actually affects his own health bar, he doesn't get K.O'd when his health reaches 0, he just...walks off, or runs off depending on which animation plays.
I've never been able to point this out because I haven't seen opm be relevant ever since s2 came out. the whole purpose of an ungodly powerful character is to be an unquestionably strong being for comedic purposes. as you pointed out, he managed to cancel out Boros's planet destroying attack, and if we're going to do this on a power scaling level, boros is at least as powerful as ss3. saitama managed to completely deflect this and the impact was felt across the entire world, and even then, as boros states, "he still had strength to spare". thats probably the deepest we'll ever be able to guess saitama's power level. looks like his current status will remain immeasurable for years to come.
the "saitama is the only one who affects his own health bar" is actually untrue as there have been multiple videos showing that he can get hurt from other characters just very very minorly. Steedoj has one of these videos
@@boost515advanced9 i think what OP was referring to is that saitama is the only one who can affect his own health bar SERIOUSLY. either way, you're both still correct
"Doctor Manhattan, often shortened to Dr. Manhattan or simply Manhattan, is a fictional character who appears in comics published by DC Comics. He is considered the most powerful superhero in comics because he possesses unlimited powers" forgive me
I'm a Ben 10 fanboy, idk much about Dr. Manhattan but from what I hear about him he'd bully alien x's entire race at his sleep XD seriously you shouldn't put Dr. Manhattan here he's too strong compared to these characters
@@paracame8162 god, I don’t even want to go into paradox. Every time he comes up in a power scaling debate it ends with a… paradox. I swear that wasn’t intentional
And then there's JoJo and One Piece characters who have such OP abilities like stopping time, becoming literally untouchable, having the Universe try to kill anyone following them, turn anything into a bomb, reverse time, reset the universe, turn anyone into a toy, see the future, and more.
Penn zero/ the villain dude could take over over the body of any protagonist or antagonist in any universe for a time, which is strong, or was it they became a unique person in each universe?
I think the watch would turn ben into a more powerful alien than Saiki if its in master control, as basically ben would think "alien to defeat alien x", as that's what Saiki sounds like. Saiki's feats seem at least similar
Dr Zomboss. Now hear me out: Dr Zomboss Created Time travel and can open portals to any time, So thats basically a super dodge But the Biggest thing is this: Its Unstable, Which Means He Can Overload The Space time continuum and cause It To Collapse in on itself, We know this because in PVZ2's Modern Day The Timeline is On the Verge Of Destruction Due to how much time travel is happening thanks to Project paradox. Can he win? Probably not But he Cant lose. Better yet noone knows when hes doing it, he can just summon a load of portals into Yesterday and Crash The Timeline, Once the Timeline Crash Has Accorded The Battle Ends. After the Crash You Cant go back in time to prevent this because time no longer exists. He Destroyed it. Heck if he just pops over to wild west and does it Noone will know! You dont know what timeline he is in and you cant predict the future because hes in the past! then Pop! Everything gone. The Fact That His Version of time travel is incredibly Unstable Gives him a massive edge TL;DR: Dr Zomboss Cannot Lose, He Probably Cant win But he can Crash the space time continuum and not only will noone know when or where hes doing it, but after it happens you cant undo it via time travel as time no longer exists STL;DR (Still to long didnt read): Dr zomboss make Space and time go boom.
You forgot Frisk and Chara, who are literally immortal, and Sans, who can teleport to dodge almost anything and his attacks are scaled by how many his opponent has killed, which would make it extremely strong against many of these powerhouses that have killed more than anyone knows
Couldn’t Ben just turn into Kirby and goku? Cause they’re aliens, and the watch thing (I can’t spell it) turns Ben into aliens. So Kirby and goku are done for right out the gate.
@@wackyhobopizzaguy9269 Strongest Ben could pull off would likely be SSJ1 since that form's the only one anyone can take the stamina drain of without immense training. Took Goku like 12 years of 24/7 Super Saiyan training to reach SSJ3 (though Gotenks did it in like a day without going SSJ2 first, so). If the omnitrix lets him go to the strongest form, then SSJ3, _maybe_ SSJ4 or Golden Great Ape (both from GT) would be the strongest he could do. Also, since SSJ is a _multiplier_, it would depend what his base power as a Saiyan would end up being. Then Goku goes SSJG and uses him as a mop since... god level.
But most of Kirby and Goku's greatest abilities were learnt or required outside sources. Ben can only copy Goku's base strength and up to SS3, an ant compared to god forms. Kirby still has plenty of copy abilities and equipment.
@@TwilightFlower9 wasn't the omnitrix built in with like a thing where it allows a million years of training? Also hard to say whether the omnitrix would be able to even go ozaruu in the first place because goku as a power level of like 10 was able to use it via the moon and not transformation via emotions.
If I may throw a chaotic wrench into this... I’d like to mention Megaman.exe, who can apparently do an extreme variety of things, such as: - disable other programmed weapons - use abilities that basically make him invulnerable - travel the speed of light multiplied by a number with 60 zeroes - destroy (and I think create as well) universes in a matter of seconds, if not less than one Plus, he basically defied death itself (albeit not on his own, but still did nonetheless).
@@rhett5058 ah, yes, and a Goomba could also win if we made it a God, have every type of immortality, outerversal AP, and infinite speed, but we aren't doing that, are we?
Kirby's strongest attack matches Saitama's strongest defense. Kirby split a planet with a punch, Saitama blocked a planet destroying lazer, Saitama would win by a thin hair since kirby can take a lethal attack from another kirby mostly unharmed. key word: mostly. enough punches from another kirby would ki him, as for Saitama, he was unharmed from the lazer, as much as I hate to admit it, kirby wo- wait I think kirby survived something worse though... I'm not sure though, all this is just from memory of what I've seen of the two.
Well it depends what we’re going off here. I’m triple deluxe, with the power of the hyper fruit thing, Kirby inhaled lazers. In planet robobot, kirby destroyed a robot that threatened to kill all life in the universe using meta knight’s halberd and his suit. Hell, he’s even stopped lazers from a planet destroying god using only the power of friendship. Not to mention that he’s completely erased some people from existence by killing them twice. If we’re going base Kirby then he’d lose. But if he has his friends (at the very least) he’d put up a good fight. This reminds me of the paper Mario vs saitama argument lol
@@avocadeous Technically all the kirby games have 1 continuing cannon so... I guess with his friends he'd be able to win, by a pretty decent margin... At least until the creators of One Punch Man decide to make Saitama canonically smack a universe out of existence. Now about Mario... I know Mario is pretty durable he might be able to stand his ground against him, but in terms of strength, he'd be incredible only in the real world, at least from all the knowledge I have of him, he seems like his strength would be pitiful or average compared to other fictional characters... Besides his legs, his jumps are insane relative to his chubby body.
@@Solesteam yeah. I reckon it probably depends on who has plot armour. The guy is called one punch man for a reason so I reckon it depends on who attacks first because both have devastating attacks. I doubt saitama would be able to stop a laser beam that has killed a galaxy destroyer’s soul but on the other side of the table, Kirby and his friends definitely wouldn’t be able to withstand a punch from him since I’m pretty sure he punched the moon out at some point. The thing with paper Mario is that in one of his games he had the ability to negate all damage and deal 1 damage to the opponent if B was pressed 3 or less frames before the attack hits. That was what sparked friction between the people alongside the Crystal stars, star spirits and pure hearts. (basically Mario’s chaos emeralds)
GER: I see no god.. *other than me* TW:OH: move, I'm the new god in deep, we all know, Giorno is the strongest character in JJBA canon, and TW:OH in EoH
@@Bazingazazinga you do realize that every skin in minecraft is steve redesigned skin, and if this doesn't change your mind, I can just use steve skin and name myself steve and go creative mode and use cheats
@@gigachad251 This applies to literally every game. If I'm playing GTA and using cheat codes to make myself invincible, does it mean that the character I'm playing as, canonically has the ability to literally go invincible at any time? No, its a cheat for a game, not something the character can just do, otherwise it wouldn't be called a "cheat". And that's just for GTA, a game with official cheat codes, this argument can apply to literally every video game since every game has glitches, cheats, and bugs to a certain extent. I don't know why for Minecraft that you guys want to act like video game logic/mechanics are things that the character canonically does. Its the equivalent to playing a game, setting the difficulty to the easiest option where everything dies in one hit and then going "this character can just one shot Goku because he has the ability to kill everything in one hit". Wait no its even worse, its like going to the "free mode" option and saying "yeah this character can basically do anything, he solos lol"
@@lilsavage9946 The difference in minecraft is that the cheats are also called by commands, but they are considered cheats, because if you're playing in survival (which as you know is meant to be you trying to survive with no cheating, as I believe atleast) it will be considered cheating, but if your playing in creative it's not considered cheating, also people have an actual reason for why they say "Steve is stronger than goku" even tho it always incounters "steve can hold universes with ease" which I don't believe will do that much, but I have some reasons for why I believe he can beat goku (Ig)
@@gigachad251 The point is that its not canon and not something Steve actually can do, commands are things that *you* as a player type in. Its like saying if you can pause a game then that means your character has the ability to stop time. Creative Mode is also not something Steve canonically has, so that's not a valid reason either. The greatest canon feat that Steve has, is defeating the Ender Dragon, which compared to the other characters, isn't much.
Rimuru can easily defeats all of them. (i'm talking about light novel version) He became an ultimate that can literally do anything , he literally can creates an alternate universes (AUS) he basically not universal level but a freaking MULTIVERSAL LEVEL.
@@stickerzazaofficial1154 yes. Alien X, while is shown to be in the regular universe, is an entity which exists outside the regular reality, shown by others of his species being in the "forge of creation", an area which is outside the omniverse and any timeline. Alien X is also nigh omnipresent, existing in every point in time at the same time. When a Ben, be it present or future transforms, the Alien X they turn into is the same one as the other. It's quite a mind fuck to think about tbh
Edgeworth constantly bringing up Saiki is so funny lol. This really feels like a group of friends nerding out about their favorite characters. Even shutting down Maya for bringing up a random topic
he doesn't actually have to blink lol, that was an example but yeah he can just wipe 'em out. especially post OV where he has full control over his celestialsapien form
Ailen x destroyed a universe with a thought but Kirby killed a god who destroyed a universe by just waking up I don’t know who would win either Ben 10 or Kirby
Goku is multiversal, Naruto is planatary and so is saitama and saitama aint gag could he would have beat all his opponents with one normal punch, he needed a serious punch with the robot mf
Steve is a 2 meter tall superhuman that can carry 335,737,600 Kilograms plus armor while still being able to sprint, jump, and even fight. Imagine what he can do in creative.
About Steve: In creative mode, he can make command to kill/create/recover anything. But he can kill even himself, and no one can't even damage him Void as well, can kill Steve So no one can kill Steve but to get him into void, but he have "teleportation command" that even making it harder to kill that character
Even tho. Steve can do "Summon command block" that have even stronger commands As i said OP commands that can't do "chat menu" Steve can just do literally ANYTHING in his path
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what about Pucci (made in heaven) vs alien x since they can both reset the universe correct?
@@10k_kiji can pucci do that? huh. didn't know cause i have only watched the anime up to part 5
ok i know we're talking about literally everything else, but poor Pixel/Maya! They just wanted to talk about Persona 5....
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Kirby>goku: aint agile enough
Kirby>saitama: god killer, man physic
Kirbysteve
Goku?saitama: who knows
Gokiben:X isnt physically op
Goki>steve
Saitamasteve
Ben=/steve
@@crimsonwolf8174 wrong thread lmao
7:56 in the kirby games, blade knight is a charachter that wields a sword, but uses it at a basic level. When kirby inhales blade knight, he gets sword abilityand is proficient with it. Enough so to even duel meta knight. So by that logic, if kirby inhaled goku he would master ultra instinct.
"He becomes you, but simply better."
KIRBY IS TASKMASTER CONFRIMED
I think there actually was a fan animation (CharlesCBernardo) where Saitama trains Kirby for a Megaton Punch contest, but then Kirby just eats him and desintegrates earth entirely, so yeah
saiki and saitama are both gag characters, so if they're allowed to be at the levels of strength that we see them at in their shows, then they'd most likely be the last two left. (minus ben, i think he'd also survive)
but if this didnt takeplace i n there universe or in gokus one goku slaps both of them
@@aaronondaye250 goku have no chance against saiki
@@doctorbob1223 how?
@@aaronondaye250 can goku prevent saiki from taking his glass off
@@doctorbob1223 goku can speed blitz him and read his mind so ye saiki loses
I love how Edgeworth is basically shouting “what about Saiki” throughout as if they’re third wheeling this whole argument.
I think people should give more attention to Saiki
*turns inhibitor off*
The whole thing about Saitama’s character is that no one truly knows his limits, not even himself. Just because no one has seen him accomplish the stuff Goku has doesn’t mean that he can’t. People arguing over whether Goku or Saitama would win in a fight are missing the point of Saitama.
Edit: People in the comments keep proving my point of how redundant this argument is
Well said I think it's best to just leave him out of the whole Vs argument there are much better debates to be had. No one can agree on the power scaling so neither party can be right. Is rather debate stuff like Goku Vs something stupid like overhaul who can just smear someone into 2d by touching them, but is also just a dude.
Well, Goku is vulnerable to joke character power scaling (that one time he lost to Arale.) So it's not too out there to say that Saitama wins just out of being somewhat a joke character.
That's a no limit fallacy and with that alone we cant fully argue who would win so we have to go off of feats alone and with that goku wins. That argument falls flat when you consider that chiaotzu hasn't gone full power since nappa but is very clearly weaker than tien
also: "destroyed a moon" level isn't quite right when even doing a single held back punch blew through a legitimate mountain and a solid amount of clouds with only the shockwave and air pressure. he's also apparently immortal or something, only taking minor scratches from god tier attacks and such. combine that with the fact that he almost always hits things with only ONE punch, knows barely anything of martial arts or any combat expertise, and has pretty much always held back in every fight, and i get the feeling that if you taught saitama any kind of martial art he'd need cheese strats like airblast or something to beat.
(his weakness: joke character/close range. keep the boi away and you should be mostly okay.)
@@TwilightFlower9 goku "lost" (I might be misremembering but wasnt the fight a draw? Beerus interrupted it) to arale because shes a gag character. Theres a very big difference between a gag character and a parody character. Arale is a gag character because she can punch earth in half and then the earth is fine next frame. Saitama is a parody character because hes just mocking strong anime characters while still needing to obey the rules of his universe. Any damage he does cant be reversed, such as the mountain he destroyed while fighting genos
Steve destroys eveyone up until some 10 year old morphs into one of the most powerful things in fiction
I wouldn't say the most powerful fictional character, there are definitely stronger characters.
@@dasherplayz4471 He can weight infinite things in his back pocket but yes but no.
@@bevear I was talking about Ben 10/alien X
@@dasherplayz4471 "you can blink, and you'd be gone"
@@ebicbarton and what are you trying to tell me
God tier debate, Absolutely loved it, Definitely do more in the future!
"What kind of Lilo and Stitch logic?!"
Best part. Hands down.
I would like to mention that Kirby can indeed inhale things larger than him without Hypernova. This is shown in Return to Dreamland, where he can inhale blocks larger than himself
I would like to mention as well that in a specific kirby game he was infact able to store abilities for later (I forget which game) which he can call upon whenever he wants once obtained
its kirby squeak squad
Kirby killed a god who destroyed a universe by just waking up so think Kirby could win and killing gods is Kirby’s specialty.
Seeing what that most recent game, he can inhale them just not swallow them
@@egglord2029 The most recent Kirby game specifically says that he was only able to stretch that much because of a weird side affect of him travelling to that dimension, it's unconfirmed whether he keeps that ability after he left that world though.
Kirby is so powerful he literally killed Necrodeus, the "God of Death", and that God had to weaken Kirb to be able to partially take him out.
They also have unlimited power
@@Acrim7 I was gonna day, Kirby wins because he would just eat everyone.
Also he's so cute no one would want to hurt him.
@@PointsofData saiki doesnt have any emotions, so being cute does not apply, he would just take his glasses of and turn everyone into statues, or if they have time to prepare he can just time travel and kill his enemies before they become a threat
@@satgurs would stone eyes work on kirby or nor? i mean he has the stone copy ability
@@skibbledebabble1853 yes, they would. there have been no restrictions stated to saiki's stone eyes ability, so if we are staying true to the story of both, yes.
This would basically end up being a fight between Saiki and Ben as their the strongest people their(in terms of hax). I know people are gonna say Goku would win but Goku has no chance against 2 universal reality warping beings.
I'm not sure if that's a joke
Well saiki wins as long as he puts down his glasses before the match starts
Ya forgot someone
*shaggy*
@Landen Ho “God Shaggy”
@@habibasayed6294 You wanna talk shit yet don’t have an argument against me? Cringe.
3:12 to quote Kevin himself they ( alien x’s species) can blink and we’d be gone
Kevin E Leven would probably clap saitama.
about made in heaven (JoJo)
@@10k_kiji ger probcan, made in heaven wouldnt reseting the universe kill him
@@elijared100 I said alien x’s race
@@cypher838 osmosians can take powers. Nuff said
I think this is probably the first time I’ve seen Ben brought up in a debate like this outside the Ben 10 fandom.
I’m also relatively surprised nobody brought up GER Giorno or Heaven Ascension DIO since both have the most OP abilities in all of JoJo’s.
GER is basicly just a stalemate. Its a counter that can activate without the user being aware of whats happening, but just BARLEY killed diavolo in like 3 barrages. It might even be weaker than Star Platinum in strength (probably not but its likley)
As for High on Heaven DIO, it can only go two ways
1. He gets speed blitzed before he can do anything and dies
2. Since nobody can see his stand, he 1 taps everyone
@@jaoofy Goku is able to sense ki. Stand = Physical Manifistation of Soul. Soul = Energy. Energy = Ki. Goku destroys DIO OH.
@@LucasNo577 The rule isn't "Only people who can sense souls can see stands" its "only people that have stands can see stands". Also, a stand is the manifestation of the soul, not the soul itself. Also, souls are not energy.
@@jaoofy Without a soul you‘re not alive
@@jaoofy I don‘t know what you‘re talking about
I love Maya pulling up and being like "hey guys i know this has nothing to do with the conversation but-NO ONE CARES". Definitely me in every group chat 🥲
this video will be randomly recommended to everyone in one day,i can sense it
Perhaps in 7 years, 5 months, 21 days, and 3 seconds from now
Part 2 never came
That day is today
yup
You were right
Kirby is an interesting one, because he isn't hugely strong on his own but has pretty limitless potential
Ok so who would win well Steve isn’t as strong as people think I Minecraft lore things in Steve’s inventory are weight less so he’s about as strong as a normal human and one punch man has no limit meaning he could get infinitely stronger but in his universe there nothing strong enough to push him to get any stronger like a body builder but only with 5 pound weights and the fighter’s would have no prep time and one punch man at his most probably could destroy a star and that being generous and that is impressive but Ben 10 when ailen x destroyed a universe with a thought and gouku um that complicated and idk know much about him but i think Ben when ailen x could defeat him and Kirby kills gods all the time he once killed a god who destroyed a universe by just waking up and has been stated to have infinit power so I think Kirby could take Ben in ailen x form but it could go either way I think either Ben 10 or Kirby wins.
@@joshuahoefler1244 also steve does not solo the smash verse canonly, game sonic, kirby, beyonetta, will give him a hard time
@@joshuahoefler1244 but game sonic beats both kirby and steve
@@joshuahoefler1244 couldn't Goku use the spirit bomb or something?
No limits fallacy
Saitama was implied to have godly powers and Kirby is a god killer
Introducing: Archie Sonic.
SCP-682 is literally immortal
@@schizophrenic_rambler well I don’t think there is a definitive answer
@@reeree772 let's be honest. Who can resist the peanut god's attack? FOR 10 HOURS?
Joaquim Sosa 682 isnt immortal, hes just very adaptive. And you could probably find a way to almost permanently contain the peanut. The eye things or maybe just broadcast it.
I think they’re forgetting something.
A certain game called “Kirby Clash”.
Kirby in that game has basically the ultimate form of every single power. (Excluding the robot and hypernova) He was also able to defeat alternate and parallel realities, such as the soul melter modes. He destroyed Void Termina 3 times over, even when he didn’t have a single ally or power. Keep in mind, Void Termina is the embodiment of “Dark Matter”, the villain in pretty much every Kirby game. Kirby has also defeated Galactica Knight, the greatest warrior in the multiverse, and his final form, Morpho Knight. Aside from that, he was also able to defeat Magolor, the Dark Wizard who got his hands on the Master Crown, Star Dream, the smartest AI ever created, being able to open portals, black holes, control all of Haltmann’s machines, and recreate beings from the past or future, as well as other realities, and Queen Sectonia, who was able to control “The Dream Stalk” at her will, being able to pretty much spread it everywhere over Planet Popstar like a plague. Oh yeah, and Marx. The one purple jester we all know and love :3
Pretty sure that game wasn't cannon
@@demarlobascombe97 lmfao I forgot this comment existed, and yeah, I think you’re right
@@demarlobascombe97 It's cannon, but in an alternate timeline or dimension or something like that, but it is cannon.
I mean, when you're up against even 1% of the power of God Himself, brute force will only get you so far.
"You are in court what punishment do you want to ge-"
"Yooooo i wanna beat up that god over there"
I’m sure Kirby would win ONLY because he PHYSICALLY can’t take more than one damage at a time (usually he has 6 health) so he could just swallow them and spit them out while damage boosting
Kirby doesn't die when he loses hitpoints. Every game over screen just has him taking a nap IIRC.
Kirby legitimately has planetary durability.
imagine goku uses spirit bomb and Kirby s it and eats him
@@jaoofy Ah yes, the most powerful thing in existence... bs s.
kirby could fight zeno and win unironically
If Goku looses to Saitama (did I spell it right?) he would be ecstatic, not only is this guy a stronger challenge for him to try to overcome, but he also doesn't threaten to destroy something every 5 minutes like beerus does.
Yeah, Goku is eager to find a person stronger than him, or atleast give him a good fight. If he loses, Goku just trains harder, to eventually win. Goku’s pride is just fighting a good fight.
goku wont lose since he is multiversal
@@aaronondaye250 since when? Yeah his power is insane and there is no doubt about it, there are limitations of his character. We would like to say he can just go above and beyond but until he actually does that, ultra instinct is about as high as we can get. However everything that we have seen saitama fight instantly gets obliterated no matter how strong they seem, you say the dude destroyed planets but it’s said he traveled the galaxy to find saitama and saitama beat him with no repercussions on himself whatsoever.
@@honque2490 bro just cuz u travelled a galaxy it doesnt mean anything he travelled in a ship also beerus traveled a universal distance and goku still got whooped
@@aaronondaye250 saitama won't lose because hes always stronger
Here I am watching lawyers fight over anime characters
Are you telling me that Ben 10 is an anime??
Cartoon lawyers fighting over cartoon fighters.
Cartoon lawyers fighting over fictional characters
I mean the last time I checked Ben was made in america so he ain't anime and steve and kirby are video game.
The weirdest part about Kirby is that when he gets a game over it’s not because he dies, he just gets tired and you wake him up to try again (at least in older games), so it’s like Pokemon, they don’t really die as much as get KO’d / too tired
I like how they say Kirby is 7 yet he's -100+ years old. So he's mega baby but still universal level.
Kirby is just laughing at any argument.
My boy has a backlog of feats that make him high universal tier.
EDIT: And after thinking about it, beating Void Termina, a literal universe-ending god, means a more fair matchup would be Zen-Oh of all people.
Steve's thorns armor will damage those who attack him. Basically UNO Reverse card. Also, if Kirby is allowed to have these feats as his abilities, Steve should have Creative.
@@TitanusGojiraEditz Creative mode and thorns don't matter because Kirby's suck doesn't do any damage
@@anotherhuman340 Alright then. *Steve: /set TNT*
@@TitanusGojiraEditz Kirby is durable enough to be completely unharmed from the collapse of a dimension, so I don't think TNT would hurt him
But didn't Kirby need the power of ✨friendship✨ to beat Void?
“When did you get here wright?”
Everyone: “fighting over Ben 10 and Saiki”
Me: “ I have a shaggy”
Shaggy: Im impreased im gonna fight a kid with a cool watch , a small living ball, and a bald man. You know i wont even have to use 11% of my power on you, you all will surfer painfull deaths
Goku coming back with a drip: finally a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary
Shaggy I have a kirby
And shaggy just a meme
@Logan Foran Here a lore to Kirby and power ua-cam.com/video/eX4pjt0pzUI/v-deo.html
I'm not sure who exactly was the person Ema was representing, but I just gotta say, absolutely loved them. Felt like a calm and collected soul in this chaotic mess of fictional characters being in a theoretical fight.
Oh, and Apollo. Rooting so hard for Steve to then realizing reality with the tier list 😂 I really enjoyed his presence too, feels like something I would do. Like if I was trying to hold my own in front of actual professors who know their sht. Ha, he tried his best, you gotta appreciate him for that. Keep trying man, you'll make it one day. 💪
Ema represents the person who posted the video, according to the description.
This fight makes no sense because everyone has plot armor.
4:50
Isn’t... isn’t the whole point of his first World Martial Arts Tournament for Roshi to teach him that there will always be someone stronger than him? Y’know... a lesson in humility?
Plus, the “oops my fist slipped” was literally him punching a genocidal universe conquering tyrant.
so i think that’s justified.
Plus frieza did that joke first. Goku just returned the favour
@@Not_Claptrap yeah Frieza did it first
well clearly Goku is a horrible student.
Ever heard of shaggy huh?
Edgeworth : ah sheet here we go again
he is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY beyond universal level
Ah yes, that unfunny garbage meme that people keep bringing up.
@@WebbedManiac Fr it’s so annoying
No offense dude but who cares if you don’t like it? Let people have fun.
@@AmbushBug522 your mom
ben 10 he just:
1.turns into alien x
2.blink and destroy their entire franchises
Kirby can access abilities he’s already received, as seen when Kirby uses a hypernova fruit that was already swallowed.
9 minutes into the video and im surprised Phoenix hasn't pulled the kirby has unlimited power card it literally says it in planet robobot
But in Amazing Mirror doesn't Kirby have an ability literally known as the Copy ability? He scans an enemy and it gets damaged whilst also taking the enemy's ability.
It originally appeared in super star
Kirby killed a god who destroyed a universe by just waking up so think Kirby could win and killing gods is Kirby’s specialty.
This is fucking hilarious how they started talking about anime and then it turned into chats about video games aAND anime
Give Saitama a few more years of "character development" and I bet we will see a better idea of what he can actually do. We always pit him against 100% max potential characters like UI Goku or endgame Ben10 or whatever.. but never really considering the time it took to get that powerful in the first place.
Maybe we have only seen less than 1% of Saitama's power and that he is multi-universal destruction, but only from where he punches. That's a huge problem in the power scale community by the way. If they can destroy a universe but didn't do it yet, then there must be a very good reason: power levels really are bullcrap. If they can blow up a solar system I wanna see it or they can't do it. Or is a simple description from the manga saying "they did" is enough for you?
In any case the common logic i see is: Goku is strongest because he has the most screen time powering up.
Yeah wait for Saitama to actually break a significant sweat then we'll debate different universes because by God I cant stand trying to agree on logic for Saitama
@@gigaatom Really Saitama is just planet level at best, mostly because lack of big opposition and relying on their statements. But people try to force the narrative that he is invincible/omnipotent and not just an elephant fighting ants.
@@sirkillalot9892 They only really think that because he is "supposedly" a gag character. Even if he was, look at Arale, she's a gag character yet she lost to Beerus
I don't give a crap about Saitama's power, you can't compare him to anyone else because his whole point is he's a gag character that doesn't lose
@@gigaatom the whole idea about saitana is that hes too strong. He already killed a being fhat can conquer the universe if i remember c8rrectly
Can we all just agree that shaggy could remove all of them from existence with a snap of his fingers
meme characters for the win
no
Gigachad would neg him no diff
So is alienx and saiki
Yea, but Nicholas cage can probably win without even thinking about it
Man I need more of these I love these arguments not to mention ace attorney
holy cow i need my chips for this, this is gonna be a long one
I’m glad that at the end of the day, there aren’t people who actually believe Goku can beat Saitama.
About that...
You sure, bro?
Nice bait
Actually...
Hmm…
THERE’S SO MUCH BEN 10 LORE I NEVER KNEW ABOUT
I just find it funny how this whole video they argue, and literally no one thought that Steve just had a Respawn Button, No One Said It Was Hardcore Mode…
19:05 actualy in order for alien x to have reacreated the universe as he did in omniverse he would have had to know the exact position and direction of every particle in the universe, and acording to the theory of causation this would make him able to predict the future.
it is also canon that Alien X exists outside time so he can see all of time at once. when present Ben or future Ben transforms into Alien X, it's the same Alien X every single time. it is confirmed to be omnipresent
I love how no one cared about Ben until the end where they were just like: oh yeah Ben beat up a god on multiple occasions and stoped the big bang.
Also bonus thing: the first time the analarg (the big bang maker) he didn't even REALISE the universe was being destroyed. Also stoped a time bomb destroying EVERY TIMELINE, WITHOUT ALIEN X
Edit: I have 9 likes on this and I'm sad that's the highest amount of likes I've ever got lol
Oh yeah and the whole timeline stopping from being destroyed was done by a Ben who had never got the omitrix before
Now u have 10. Hehe, ben 10
@@otakusensei3549 now I have eleven. And now I'm wondering what would happen if they added Kevin 11 to the argument (all Omnitrix aliens absorbed AND he has his own from the remake)
There are some theories that the ahnilarg also created the universe’s timelines and dimensions
@@bentennyson6304 I mean if the device was used by each separate timeline's 5th dimensional being then I think yeah but I dunno
Took me a moment to realize you have some of the most powerful beings in media for this topic.
I love how they didn't even mention Steve's god apples.
Also, since Saiki has *extreme* intelligence, he could figure out how to prevent Alien X from interfering, and therefore beat Ben.
Except nothing he can do would prevent Alien X from interfering.
Unless he waa stronger than Alien X, which he isn't.
@@CommentPositionInformer He can simply remove his limiters and probably go back to when Alien X was weakest before it can interfere and beat it to death
@@Cl-2048 when alien x was weakest he was a baby and even celestial sapiens that are baby’s they can still alter reality as shown in ultimate alien
@@Cl-2048 alien x was weakest? bruh lmao Alien X was never "weak". Omnitrix turns users into the prime version of the selected species for their age. there is no "young" or "previously weak" alien x.
I love how everyone forgot about Kirby’s ultra abilities from Return to Dreamland.
if kirby walks up with fuckin ultra sword then EVERYBODY is fucking done for. except maybe saitama or ben
I really spent 21minutes and 27 seconds watching digital characters discussing what digital characters would win in a fight-
I dont what you guys talking about but saiyan race’s passive is literally just op “you can get stronger every time you fight someone”
I thought zenkai boosts stopped when you reach the kind of power that goku has. Or at least, they stopped from a narrative perspective.
Saitama is getting stronger even if he is not training
@@hayescausey9941 Not really, no. The Tournament of Power literally proves it.
Incredible video this was an extremely good debate you should definitely make a part 2 with more characters like superman thor doctor strange
Saiki and Ben are the only two who ppl should actually have a real debate on
Until you meet Kirby + cake
kirby is like canonicaly god. and i’m not sure but it’s implied he became the god of death or judgement or whatever. and is unaffected by death.
also he can inhale cars and huge stairs now so that’s a thing
The fact that Wright is correct about Kirby, in a main line game: Planet Robobot, if you pause the game while Kirby is in his base form, it states that he has limitless power, something along that line. In another game it states that his stomach is a literal BLACK HOLE.
If we get rid of the fact that Steve isn't in creative mode or in his world, Kirby oneshots.
Can't they all just chill and be friends? I prefer the chill option
STILL CHILL
Forgot to mention saiki power is growing everyday, also did I really just sit through all this?
I feel like even if Steve had undying totems he would still lose, unless we use Game Theory stats
We are talking about creative mode steve which has strength to destroy even outerversal plus things in 1 shot durability that cant even be hurt and his hax are inf since steve can change the game code
@@True-Neo-Chaos creative mode is kinda cheating
@@lancetheking7524 they give others their op form but they dont give steve thats to unfairness they also dont give saiki an rule either this thing is mostly 1 sided
Creative mode is game mechanic, it scalea nowhere
I like seeing the guys argue about inane shit like this. Really makes them relatable in my opinion. Keep up the good work
Saiki is just beyond goku if he takes his antenna out he is basically in creative mode
If I could. I still think Saitama is in the running here. If I'm not mistaken, his strongest feat we've seen so far is Season 1, Episode 12. "The Strongest Hero", in which during his fight with Boros, he unleashed his strongest move we've seen so far. "Killer Move. Serious Series. Serious Punch." which, as we see, completely nullified Boros's ultimate move "Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon" which is said to be able to destroy entire planets, we see the clouds part across the entirety of planet earth in the aftermath.
This is where most people stop at disecting his power level. But if you continue the scene a bit further, we see Boros is still alive, albeit in pieces, and dies moments later, but before he does, he has this exchange with Saitama.
Saitama:"You're still conscious? You really are strong."
Boros:"The Prophecy held true...the battle was...hard fought..."
Saitama:"Yeah....it sure was."
Boros:"...You lie...you had strength to spare....I never stood a chance....it wasn't even a battle...so much for prophecies....you were too strong...Saitama."
Boros outright calls Saitama out. Even with the Serious Punch, Saitama was still holding back. Meaning we have yet to see the full extent of his power.
Characters like Goku are always seen hitting SOME sort of limit, then overcoming it, currently, Goku's limit is fully mastering Ultra Instinct, and he'll probably overcome that at some point as well. The thing with Saitama is, we haven't SEEN that limit yet. We have only seen him at his WEAKEST, which is his fight with Crablante, prior to his 3 years of training. The weakest attack we see AFTER his training, I think is his crotch shot to Speed-O'-Sound Sonic. We have not yet seen him throw his STRONGEST attack, meaning he is taking things seriously, and throws a punch to the fullest extent of his power, not holding ANYTHING back.
Until we see him at his absolute apex, facing a foe just as durable and strong as him, UNTIL HE REACHES HIS LIMIT, we cannot accurately compare his strength to others. That's his entire point as a parody/joke character. He beats EVERYONE he meets. Meaning, until otherwise, be treated as "he wins unless he just doesn't care and walks off". Like he does in "A Hero Nobody Knows" when you put two Saitama's against each other, as Saitama is the only one that actually affects his own health bar, he doesn't get K.O'd when his health reaches 0, he just...walks off, or runs off depending on which animation plays.
I've never been able to point this out because I haven't seen opm be relevant ever since s2 came out. the whole purpose of an ungodly powerful character is to be an unquestionably strong being for comedic purposes. as you pointed out, he managed to cancel out Boros's planet destroying attack, and if we're going to do this on a power scaling level, boros is at least as powerful as ss3. saitama managed to completely deflect this and the impact was felt across the entire world, and even then, as boros states, "he still had strength to spare". thats probably the deepest we'll ever be able to guess saitama's power level. looks like his current status will remain immeasurable for years to come.
the "saitama is the only one who affects his own health bar" is actually untrue as there have been multiple videos showing that he can get hurt from other characters just very very minorly. Steedoj has one of these videos
@@boost515advanced9 i think what OP was referring to is that saitama is the only one who can affect his own health bar SERIOUSLY. either way, you're both still correct
@@kmn6420 namek goku base level
"Doctor Manhattan, often shortened to Dr. Manhattan or simply Manhattan, is a fictional character who appears in comics published by DC Comics. He is considered the most powerful superhero in comics because he possesses unlimited powers" forgive me
I'm a Ben 10 fanboy, idk much about Dr. Manhattan but from what I hear about him he'd bully alien x's entire race at his sleep XD seriously you shouldn't put Dr. Manhattan here he's too strong compared to these characters
@@zarkahmed3199 isn't Dr Manhattan on the same tier if not higher than Paradox? Paradox is pretty much immune to Celestial Sapiens btw
@@paracame8162 god, I don’t even want to go into paradox. Every time he comes up in a power scaling debate it ends with a… paradox. I swear that wasn’t intentional
why do i feel like the disastrous life of saiki k. is underrated?
And then there's JoJo and One Piece characters who have such OP abilities like stopping time, becoming literally untouchable, having the Universe try to kill anyone following them, turn anything into a bomb, reverse time, reset the universe, turn anyone into a toy, see the future, and more.
With all due respect, Ben still solos.
I love the fact people are actually debating this.
Penn zero/ the villain dude could take over over the body of any protagonist or antagonist in any universe for a time, which is strong, or was it they became a unique person in each universe?
god I’d love to be in one of these debates
I think the watch would turn ben into a more powerful alien than Saiki if its in master control, as basically ben would think "alien to defeat alien x", as that's what Saiki sounds like. Saiki's feats seem at least similar
Dr Zomboss. Now hear me out:
Dr Zomboss Created Time travel and can open portals to any time, So thats basically a super dodge But the Biggest thing is this: Its Unstable, Which Means He Can Overload The Space time continuum and cause It To Collapse in on itself, We know this because in PVZ2's Modern Day The Timeline is On the Verge Of Destruction Due to how much time travel is happening thanks to Project paradox. Can he win? Probably not But he Cant lose. Better yet noone knows when hes doing it, he can just summon a load of portals into Yesterday and Crash The Timeline, Once the Timeline Crash Has Accorded The Battle Ends. After the Crash You Cant go back in time to prevent this because time no longer exists. He Destroyed it. Heck if he just pops over to wild west and does it Noone will know! You dont know what timeline he is in and you cant predict the future because hes in the past! then Pop! Everything gone. The Fact That His Version of time travel is incredibly Unstable Gives him a massive edge
TL;DR: Dr Zomboss Cannot Lose, He Probably Cant win But he can Crash the space time continuum and not only will noone know when or where hes doing it, but after it happens you cant undo it via time travel as time no longer exists
STL;DR (Still to long didnt read): Dr zomboss make Space and time go boom.
You forgot Frisk and Chara, who are literally immortal, and Sans, who can teleport to dodge almost anything and his attacks are scaled by how many his opponent has killed, which would make it extremely strong against many of these powerhouses that have killed more than anyone knows
poor maya... i feel the persona 5 topic and then getting told to sftu
Couldn’t Ben just turn into Kirby and goku? Cause they’re aliens, and the watch thing (I can’t spell it) turns Ben into aliens. So Kirby and goku are done for right out the gate.
Argubly, but Saiyan Ben wouldn't be as strong.
Ssj3 is strongest natural Saiyan form, so he would be only that.
@@wackyhobopizzaguy9269 maybe ultimatrix, but that shouldn’t count since the function was a one off
@@wackyhobopizzaguy9269 Strongest Ben could pull off would likely be SSJ1 since that form's the only one anyone can take the stamina drain of without immense training. Took Goku like 12 years of 24/7 Super Saiyan training to reach SSJ3 (though Gotenks did it in like a day without going SSJ2 first, so). If the omnitrix lets him go to the strongest form, then SSJ3, _maybe_ SSJ4 or Golden Great Ape (both from GT) would be the strongest he could do.
Also, since SSJ is a _multiplier_, it would depend what his base power as a Saiyan would end up being.
Then Goku goes SSJG and uses him as a mop since... god level.
But most of Kirby and Goku's greatest abilities were learnt or required outside sources. Ben can only copy Goku's base strength and up to SS3, an ant compared to god forms.
Kirby still has plenty of copy abilities and equipment.
@@TwilightFlower9 wasn't the omnitrix built in with like a thing where it allows a million years of training? Also hard to say whether the omnitrix would be able to even go ozaruu in the first place because goku as a power level of like 10 was able to use it via the moon and not transformation via emotions.
2:55 you named deku’s quirk wrong, it’s called One For All not all for one
*OK, THIS. WAS. EPIC! Awesome debate, I was really invested in it. Make more of this please!*
The ammount of evidence tags in a usual genra objection.lol is how many people hate maya in this video
If I may throw a chaotic wrench into this...
I’d like to mention Megaman.exe, who can apparently do an extreme variety of things, such as:
- disable other programmed weapons
- use abilities that basically make him invulnerable
- travel the speed of light multiplied by a number with 60 zeroes
- destroy (and I think create as well) universes in a matter of seconds, if not less than one
Plus, he basically defied death itself (albeit not on his own, but still did nonetheless).
This debate was actually pretty scientific. I enjoyed it.
Kirby can bat an asteroid 9999 light years away in 30 seconds. Even if you don’t include his warp star, Kirby wins hands down
I feel like saitama would win if he didn’t need air and could fly
@@rhett5058 ah, yes, and a Goomba could also win if we made it a God, have every type of immortality, outerversal AP, and infinite speed, but we aren't doing that, are we?
@@rhett5058 Ah yes....put Saitama against someone who literally cant die and is stronger than a fat penguin who can lift multiple stars
“Kirby is what?,like seven?”
Me a kirby fan who remembers its 30:
The idea that kirby would just make everyone his friends...then eat them is a terrify idea because that's what you can do in the game
Kirby's strongest attack matches Saitama's strongest defense. Kirby split a planet with a punch, Saitama blocked a planet destroying lazer, Saitama would win by a thin hair since kirby can take a lethal attack from another kirby mostly unharmed. key word: mostly. enough punches from another kirby would ki him, as for Saitama, he was unharmed from the lazer, as much as I hate to admit it, kirby wo- wait I think kirby survived something worse though... I'm not sure though, all this is just from memory of what I've seen of the two.
Well it depends what we’re going off here. I’m triple deluxe, with the power of the hyper fruit thing, Kirby inhaled lazers. In planet robobot, kirby destroyed a robot that threatened to kill all life in the universe using meta knight’s halberd and his suit. Hell, he’s even stopped lazers from a planet destroying god using only the power of friendship. Not to mention that he’s completely erased some people from existence by killing them twice. If we’re going base Kirby then he’d lose. But if he has his friends (at the very least) he’d put up a good fight.
This reminds me of the paper Mario vs saitama argument lol
@@avocadeous Technically all the kirby games have 1 continuing cannon so... I guess with his friends he'd be able to win, by a pretty decent margin...
At least until the creators of One Punch Man decide to make Saitama canonically smack a universe out of existence.
Now about Mario... I know Mario is pretty durable he might be able to stand his ground against him, but in terms of strength, he'd be incredible only in the real world, at least from all the knowledge I have of him, he seems like his strength would be pitiful or average compared to other fictional characters... Besides his legs, his jumps are insane relative to his chubby body.
@@Solesteam yeah. I reckon it probably depends on who has plot armour. The guy is called one punch man for a reason so I reckon it depends on who attacks first because both have devastating attacks. I doubt saitama would be able to stop a laser beam that has killed a galaxy destroyer’s soul but on the other side of the table, Kirby and his friends definitely wouldn’t be able to withstand a punch from him since I’m pretty sure he punched the moon out at some point. The thing with paper Mario is that in one of his games he had the ability to negate all damage and deal 1 damage to the opponent if B was pressed 3 or less frames before the attack hits. That was what sparked friction between the people alongside the Crystal stars, star spirits and pure hearts. (basically Mario’s chaos emeralds)
@@avocadeous That's terrifyingly overpowered
hed still win, he has 6 lives and no matter how much force he puts in the punch he can only take away 1 before the kicks in and kirby eats him
GER: I see no god.. *other than me*
TW:OH: move, I'm the new god
in deep, we all know, Giorno is the strongest character in JJBA canon, and TW:OH in EoH
“Za warldo”
Gorudo expiriensu requiem
I don't know how I got here, but I'm enjoying every second!
This was phenomenal.
(I loved the Fetus Yeetus Deletus line).
Motion Carried.
With Steve having cheats, he could easily win
With the player having cheats* btw steve ain't the one in creative its the player
@@Bazingazazinga you do realize that every skin in minecraft is steve redesigned skin, and if this doesn't change your mind, I can just use steve skin and name myself steve and go creative mode and use cheats
@@gigachad251 This applies to literally every game. If I'm playing GTA and using cheat codes to make myself invincible, does it mean that the character I'm playing as, canonically has the ability to literally go invincible at any time? No, its a cheat for a game, not something the character can just do, otherwise it wouldn't be called a "cheat". And that's just for GTA, a game with official cheat codes, this argument can apply to literally every video game since every game has glitches, cheats, and bugs to a certain extent.
I don't know why for Minecraft that you guys want to act like video game logic/mechanics are things that the character canonically does. Its the equivalent to playing a game, setting the difficulty to the easiest option where everything dies in one hit and then going "this character can just one shot Goku because he has the ability to kill everything in one hit". Wait no its even worse, its like going to the "free mode" option and saying "yeah this character can basically do anything, he solos lol"
@@lilsavage9946 The difference in minecraft is that the cheats are also called by commands, but they are considered cheats, because if you're playing in survival (which as you know is meant to be you trying to survive with no cheating, as I believe atleast) it will be considered cheating, but if your playing in creative it's not considered cheating, also people have an actual reason for why they say "Steve is stronger than goku" even tho it always incounters "steve can hold universes with ease" which I don't believe will do that much, but I have some reasons for why I believe he can beat goku (Ig)
@@gigachad251 The point is that its not canon and not something Steve actually can do, commands are things that *you* as a player type in. Its like saying if you can pause a game then that means your character has the ability to stop time.
Creative Mode is also not something Steve canonically has, so that's not a valid reason either. The greatest canon feat that Steve has, is defeating the Ender Dragon, which compared to the other characters, isn't much.
very easy answer, ben wins
Actually, it's a coin flip between Ben and Kirby, don't underestimate my cute pink blob
@@Lonk2976 Kerby can't do anything
@@Itselijahbruh Kirby has defeated gods and canonically has infinited power. Kirby is definitely one of the strongest here
@@Itselijahbruh Kirby is immune to reality manipulation and Erasure abilities. Kirby can also copy alien X and out last Ben.
Rimuru can easily defeats all of them. (i'm talking about light novel version) He became an ultimate that can literally do anything , he literally can creates an alternate universes (AUS) he basically not universal level but a freaking MULTIVERSAL LEVEL.
@a bum i'm talking about Rimuru Ultimate Slime (Light Novel Manga Version)
Yeah, totally
@@stickerzazaofficial1154 Rimuru is multivesal level but Alien X is an existence outside the multiverse and time itself
@@paracame8162 wait really?
@@stickerzazaofficial1154 yes. Alien X, while is shown to be in the regular universe, is an entity which exists outside the regular reality, shown by others of his species being in the "forge of creation", an area which is outside the omniverse and any timeline.
Alien X is also nigh omnipresent, existing in every point in time at the same time. When a Ben, be it present or future transforms, the Alien X they turn into is the same one as the other. It's quite a mind fuck to think about tbh
this was so funny and I didn't know about objetion.lol! you got a new sub
Edgeworth constantly bringing up Saiki is so funny lol. This really feels like a group of friends nerding out about their favorite characters. Even shutting down Maya for bringing up a random topic
Here's how Ben wins: Ben goes alien x. Ben as alien x blinks. Boom everyone's dead. That's it
he doesn't actually have to blink lol, that was an example but yeah he can just wipe 'em out. especially post OV where he has full control over his celestialsapien form
steve: breh i can even respawn
@@pamelaacuna9182 so can Ben in the videogames, so can anyone in the videogames.
This is a better Ben 10 death battle than the actual death battle.
Kirby is immune to that
Info: Kirby canonicaly has Infinite power
Oh god i imagine how powerfull he came get
Best part is, It's canonically still growing past infinity
Ailen x destroyed a universe with a thought but Kirby killed a god who destroyed a universe by just waking up I don’t know who would win either Ben 10 or Kirby
Goku is multiversal, Naruto is planatary and so is saitama and saitama aint gag could he would have beat all his opponents with one normal punch, he needed a serious punch with the robot mf
Edgeworth: Weight ain't a thing in Minecraft.
Iron plates: Excuse me, did you forget about me?
Steve is a 2 meter tall superhuman that can carry 335,737,600 Kilograms plus armor while still being able to sprint, jump, and even fight. Imagine what he can do in creative.
Creative mode is game mechanic
Mr Rogers in a blood stained sweater beats any animu or videojuego in a showdown just putting it out there
Okay, but can't Steve just respawn? Isn't that one of his abilities? He isn't on hardcore or anything.
@Epik but their point is a point, so their point technically has a point, making it not pointless
@Epik despite that, hp is relative
The only example I can think of is half a heart is equal to multiple health points in a super star style Kirby game
I mean cant any video game character? Which is literally everyone named in this video except maybe Saiki?
Kirby can respawn also
@@Regirock_official Exactly was I was saying.
Meanwhile Steve and Kirby laughing with beds and 1-ups
I just binged several of these videos today and have subscribed
About Steve: In creative mode, he can make command to kill/create/recover anything. But he can kill even himself, and no one can't even damage him
Void as well, can kill Steve
So no one can kill Steve but to get him into void, but he have "teleportation command" that even making it harder to kill that character
Even tho. Steve can do "Summon command block" that have even stronger commands
As i said OP commands that can't do "chat menu"
Steve can just do literally ANYTHING in his path
Game mechanic