Hear me out. It's Jaime. It's not that he's secretly top tier, but Jamie mains act like he is akin to Roll in MvC2, a complete unwinnable mess. Bro, he's just a character with some 4:6 matchups. Maining him is not the reason you're in 1.3k MR. You still doing random sweeps in neutral and full rekka on block though...
@@rubix0110 You can check the very ranked stats of high skill players. You're half right, zoners are his worst matchup. However, Jamies outright *worst* matchup is Guile, which has a winrate of 4.3:5.7, so... Yes it is. People confuse how a matchup _feel_ vs how it actually is.
@@Araxhii With 4 character slots per year, I don't think those two will be high up on their list. But theoretically they could still work in SF6 purely for not being momentum characters. Jamie is "both" of them, but you need to unlock that potential, which is a pretty significant downside.
akuma downplayers are the worst akuma gets to have everything in the game, but they swear that he is balanced because 9k health just 9k health does not work to balance akuma lmao, just admit you are playing a top 2 (top 1 probably) character and move on
Best way someone has said it bro, just wait some hours for the comments on how 1000 lp are so absurdly important that Akuma is bit that strong. Along with Rashid and bison they are some of the most straight up robbery characters in the game
ye Akuma, Bison, and Ken are chucky cheese characters. I can respect Rashid a little more because he atleast takes some skill to play. Hes not plug-n-play for scrubs like the other ones i mentioned are. JP also, braindead character that belongs in an anime fighter instead of SF.
Because that's the only tournament that Juri player has won after that most of them just make to top 8 in big tournament but never won, she's an easy character to pick up but hard to win tournament with just like Cammy imo.
@@adamhart2020 100%. Cammy is up played if anything, especially by youtube tier list makers. Ive seen her all over s-tier lately, even top 3, and top 1 on one list i watched. Its wild to me. I think Juri and Cammy are pretty equal characters.
@@adamhart2020 what you're downplaying is that she is ALWAYS in top 8. she has such heavy top cut representation and can still seal the deal, that's what's so good about her.
There are no comments downplaying Chun because everyone dropped her after the nerfs like Leshar and Sako. It's just me here, making a comment downplaying Chun
No dudes UP play Chun. Dudes was talking that "top 3 in the game" shit...they talked that shit right into Chun getting a nerf. Mind you she had NO MAJOR tournament wins.
DLC character power level is cray. All of these people dropping good ass characters for them. I've never heard of anyone dropping their character for Ken, but virtually every Luke, a number of Kens, Ryus, and even players that didn't even play a shoto dropped their characters for Akuma.
I think Kim is good, but her low damage feels like I gotta vortex the opponent for 20 seconds straight in the corner to match the damage a lot of other characters get from their basic BnB combos. It's so much work for so little payoff, but the psychological damage is fun.
I've seen a minimal amount of Juri downplay in regards to her abilities against fireballs, but i think the biggest reason why her players are relatively quiet is because tweeting one-handed is just too much trouble.
she doesnt get downplayed, she just sucks compared to every other good character. the only thing juri has going for her is the ability to walk behind her fireball.
The ken downplay is way too exaggerated. Some people overreacted after the season 2 patch and downplayed a bit but everyone says he's good. Not putting him in the top 5 doesn't mean he's trash. We just got a lot of really good characters in this game
The downplay itself is a bit of a meme but the reality is that he is a top3 character but all the pros will say he is top 10 or outside top 5. so its less of people are saying he is trash and more of people are saying he is "good" when he is actually "amazing".
Even in early season one when Juri was regarded as top 3 her players didn't say shit. They got together in that discord ajd decided thry wouldn't utter a word about her lmaoo.
Bro, as a Cammy and Manon main, and enjoyer of Aki, Juri, and Ryu: -my fellow cammy players need to start being more honest lol. The downplay is WILD -Just keep those lips tight Ryu, Aki, and Juri players. Don’t ruin it for the rest of us -I love you Manon players.
Cammy isnt top tier, ppl that dont play her and dont know, just hate playing against her. Its a matchup alot of ppl suck at, but its because the play scared against her. If you just take it to Cammy, be aggressive, and block low 99% of the time, shes not that hard to beat. Ppl that have alot of success with Cammy, you can aleast pretty much assume they have skills and are a pretty decent player, unlike other actual top tier characters that are chucky cheese scrub carriers, like Bison and Akuma. The way ppl try to act like Cammy is carried these days is absolutely insane
@@nunyabizwacks6711 I beat her most of the time with character that has less privileges button than her. Then i went to play Cammy and i was like, Cammy mains have this much of good buttons and still downplay????? Her button is almost as fast as chun but wayyyy easier to use. Stop downplaying bro, she is top tier and good solid character. At least be honest for the sake of her
I say she’s high tier. She has some real weakness but also has every tool except throw loop. I do agree there is no reason to play Chun because there are characters that do what she does easier or better. Ima still main her tho.
Zangief and Potemkin on top of that BOTH uplayed and downplayed list. Also, I really liked the discussion of Marisa. Great points about how it's basically power creep with dlc and overall changes.
Kimberly up play goes crazy. You can’t really say she has the best offense in the game and that she’s not that good. Take a look at Bison. His damage is very high. He has the bomb to act as a setup tool and has very good command over neutral. If you get hit by bison with bomb on you, you die, end of story. Now while Kimberly spray can setups are intimidating, they aren’t nearly as rewarding. She does a low damage combo to get you to the corner, sets up a can and now it’s just a strike throw mixup. If you get grabbed the combo is heavily scaled and she has to setup another can mix. If she overheads, it’s also incredibly scaled and she has to do the same thing. Also she has a limited supply so she’s nice she goes through 2, she has to spend 2 bars to get her main gimmick back, in addition to the 2 bars spent to do the setup anyways. That is not “The best offense in the game”. There are several other characters who have much more efficient and scary offense than Kim does. And the worst part is she didn’t really get that many great buffs. Best one she got was the not using a spray can for her level 1
Kim will always be demonized by the playerbase because most of them are scrubs with 0 matchup knowledge. Anyone who knows the kim matchup knows shes not good at all. Shes a noobkiller
She does full screen 50/50 with her tp. And miss me with that bs that its reactable cause of colors. No it isnt, thats why no pros react and just guess.
Zangief is strong, but he is also one dimensional. That doesnt give him enough presence in the tournaments compared to other characters. At the same time he can act as a counter (like Guile) against some matchups. IMO more characters that are one-dimensional (E. Honda, Manon, Marisa etc) should get the 'Gief treatment so we have more variety.
I think the worst shoto is a really funny defence for Ken because even it was true, being the worst shoto in SF6 is like being the worlds poorest billionaire. 😭
Bison player here so Im biased and understand hes too strong but it's like the community would prefer a bison nerf over ending world hunger. It's wild the amount of hate he started getting in the last month.
I would not mind it if he does not get 1 counter hit medium into 80% no set up bomb But every hits allow him to do half ur health or 60% with no super or set up His buttons privilege is always there from start cuz he is a bully chracter, that’s his strength it’s normal. BUT HIS DMG IS NOT FINE. Also anti airing him is too risky, if you miss ur anti air, Thats a game. He just can jump for free and people can barely do anything against it cuz risk reward is heavily in bison favor. If you go for anti air and he faints it “U R DED”, if you miss time it “U R DED”, oh you did not anti air?? “I AM IN UR FACE AND I AM PLUS” Why would you get that much out of no effort random hit from character that was design to be able to force win neutral. Big damage is normally fine but when it’s 1 touch 80% into a block for 2 minutes or guess for ur life, that’s too much
People downplay Terry honestly. He’s not like, broken or super strong or anything but people be putting him in bottom 4 and like? D tier? For real? He’s at least high B.
No way the worst shoto is the high B, bottom 10 for sure, maybe bottom 5 too, his tournaments results are horrible, capcom do try very hard to destroy terry
@ There’s no way that a character who has the tools he has, good damage, and the best cr.mk into DR in the game is bottom 5 dude. Just because he’s the “worst shoto” doesn’t mean anything. And really, id say he’s relatively even with Ryu. He’s in no way worse than Lily, manon, Honda, Kim, Jamie, Dhalisim. that’s just absurd
@@williamalbatross4677there isn’t a single thing that he has that nobody isn’t already doing better, the only characters you could ever say he’s better than are bottom tier, barely functional characters, so he gets to be bottom tier too
@@williamalbatross4677 Jamie has every tools a good character should have too, but he is still bottom 5, don't fall into the trap Naruo : After I play terry, I find out Jamie is pretty strong
Stop talkng about character power lvls through the prism of their tournament performance…. Its the PLAYERS , not the CHARACTERS. “Marisa got buffs but still didnt win majors”…. Well, no sht, maybe its cause her getting buffs didnt make ppl like Itazan drop their mains….? Character being strong doesnt mean everyone has to abandon their preferred picks and start maining said character, just to win the next major and support your narrative.
No one plays Marissa like No one used to play Ryu (pre 2x buffs) its not that she is actually a bad character but its just that Bison does everything she is capable of at a MUCH higher level that you would be stupid to play her. Without anybody like angry bird playing her people start thinking she is "trash".
Already my boy JMCroft came out swimming as a HEEL......HEELL....what a villain, disgusting human been, the lowest of the lowest.....how dare you SIR to say than an HONEST character as CAMMY, mrs White will be downplay, this character is an honest to god mid tier at best, she need fireballs and a command grab as well and air dash to even been consider that she is even in the game, how dare you sir.......what a villain.................also I am NOT Cammy main, I neveeeeer have even touch this character, I just admire from a far 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm a gief player and I agree. Holy balls gief mains act like he's got nothing going for him. He's so busted and easy. I think he's crazy good, and I love that stinky cheese.
You guys gotta live in an alternative reality, I haven't seen anyone saying Cammy is not good, it's either she is broken or she is very well rounded and balanced, doesn't need any buffs.
@@trevor384 I am Cammy main and I think she is really strong, easy to pick up, hard to master, very well rounded char and she is mad fun to play, Capcom really did good job with Cammy.
As a Juri main, she is EXTREMELY strong especially this season. Her proportionate representation is absurd, there’s very few Juri mains of top players but they do quite well. Of the el-primo characters on launch, Juri was the one with the least dependency on lights. So the nerfs to light scaling universally in season 2 was the biggest buff she could ever get, and somehow got no independent nerfs AND got minor buffs But ay, if people want to complain about Bison and Akuma and Zangief instead then please by all means
2:06 I agree bro, I main Cammy and when I hear someone say something like she’s bad, I just laugh. The ONLY thing I’ll accept is that she may have a bit low dmg. Even if it is low tho, it works for her.
Geif has insane buttons and wins in 3 grabs. and his CA does 4500. I hate it so much. as a Kimberly main (that doesn't down play her at all) i do 4 mixups and then lose because the gief is churning butter hoping the combo drops.
Damn JM had that smoke for Cammys lol. I think before the spin knuckle nerf she was ham, but after the nerf she's pretty fair. She's top tier in skilled hands, but most players don't have the Punk-tier shimmies or JWong-tier divekick reads, and without those it's hard for an average player to utilize her kit fully against the likes of Akuma or Bison.
Kizzie pulls out the gigabrain strat of downplaying his character by claiming that other Dee Jay mains upplay the character and he's actually worse Also, the Lily downplay has gotta all be non-Lily players, all the Lily players I hear are like "yo this character's not top tier but she's got some stuff"
Kimberly players don't even down play, everyone else just up plays her. lmao She's been low mid tier since day one and is still low mid tier, getting close to the top of bottom 5 at this rate. She was heavily up played during the beta.
It's just that Ryu players know how is it to be the lowest of mids. Now he is very good but just the same as always, nothing too broken to make the character revolve around it, they are very realistic cause' Ryu is just knowing how to play the game
Autoshimmys, tons of plus frames, high dmg, projectile, inv reversal dp, piss easy execution, great buttons in neutral. What exactly makes him “mid”, downplayer?
Ryu players hella downplay, have been doing so since launch. Its just that Ryu mains are kinda uncommon on high level and the mid levels players posts don't get that much traction. You will probably notice a lot of subtle Ryu downplay in this comment section if you scroll for it lol.
I don't mind characters most being top tier because they usually require decent skill to get good at. I only got an issue with Bison and Akuma because they're too easy to pick up and be instantly good at. And I say this as an Akuma main. Ed and Rashid could use a lvl 2 nerf but not necessary. No one else really needs nerfs but a bunch could use buffs/reworks
Ed in North America was the 2nd most downplayed character besides Ken before people realized from Momochi/EW/BrianF results he was in fact extremely strong lol.
I think AKI falls in the same category as you guys considered for Zangief. I think she’s good enough to claim that we, in AKI gang, are downplaying her, but there’s also a large contingent of people talking about AKI likes she’s Vergil tier. AKI, who has no ex reversal, a 40f startup fireball and has to try and use her anti-airs on Cammy and Akuma being a god-tier is just not something you can convince me of. A high tier, to be sure, but let’s not get crazy
For having won the capcom cup, Juri is remarkably fair. I've never lost to a juri then said "that wasn't fair." She has unique projectiles that she has to work for and excellent, but reachable, aerial options. Sure she's a bit janky to follow with her fake martial stance and style, but you do get used to it. I think she's kinda the gold standard. Never upset to fight a Juri (though I do main a shoto, I cam imagine that matchup being a nightmare for grapplers)
Speaking as a Cammy player: she's for sure top 6. I think she's arguably the 2nd or 3rd best character in the base roster after Guile and possibly Ken. It's just that the DLC characters like Akuma and Bison are so good that they move her down from the top 5, but she can easily fight with the top 5 (who I consider to be Akuma, Bison, Guile, Rashid, and Ed). Cammy is one of the strongest characters in the game that doesn't need high damage or a gimmick to work.
I respect u mate, finally an honest cammy player, well technically cammy players r honest at least, i've not seen any cammy mains downplaying her as much & its coming from an akuma main
IMO Dhalsim is actually the biggest balance problem. Most of the other weaker characters, because they are simple/one-dimensional can simply get the 'Gief treatment. The one-dimensional problem will still exist, but at least the characters will see more tournament presence by dedicated players or simply as counterpicks. I dont see the pros crying about 'Gief as a problem, siimply because they play other picks. However Dhalsim's problem is more fundamental, his moveset in SF6 hasnt panned out (too weird) & he simply isnt picked, so he would need more than just good buffs to be a contender for 1500+, let alone tourney presence.
Bison only scrub here! I’ve said since day one! This character is either top 1 or 8 and I honestly can’t tell which. Now with all the results and such!.. I still don’t know! Crazy representation and good results but Bison(/Solo Bison) actually WINNING events is more rare than you’d think! No doubt he’s crazy strong though, you’d be crazy to think otherwise! Currently sussing top 4-5 but I’m willing to be convinced he’s top 2.
I think Broski had the best take on ranking the characters, placing them on two axes - there's a generic "Strength" axis, but also a "Stability" access. Bison and Gief (coincidentally my main characters) are both really strong, but are also _very_ unstable because they both have severe weaknesses that, at any given time, can be taken advantage of and they get RNGed out. So they're very good at taking out players early in brackets, but their consistency at the highest end is extremely suspect. When the majority of tournament matches are FT2, this is a major drawback. This is why no one has won a major using Bison exclusively. I actually think a substantial portion of the cast beats him, but he can two touch you, so he can RNG out others as well... Ken/Rashid, on the other hand, are also very strong, but are also very stable i.e. no weaknesses, so they're generally safer to pick. They don't necessarily overwhelm their opponents like Bison/Gief can, but they don't usually get RNGed out either. Akuma is the biggest question mark to me. He's unquestionably strong, probably the strongest character in the game, BUT his low health means he's also extremely volatile, possibly _the_ most volatile character in the game. I figure as players get better/more experience his win rate should go up, but winning at the highest levels consistently with him is likely super hard.
Guile players swear that the boom into dr is balanced even though they can start offense whenever they want. MFs downplaying that one thing about Guile since day 1.
I guess I am a Chun downplayer, but she really is nowhere near her season 1 strength, so it's hard to evaluate. Obviously, she's a solid character but I really don't feel her strengths anymore unless Im playing vs a Rashid.
Luke was hit with heavy nerfs. How can you experience street fighter six season one and not say this. He went from a million dollar character to hardly viable in tourney. He went from from top 1 to balanced lmao.
I think dee jay is still very strong but he kinda struggles against shotos in neutral with the exception of a few really good moves like medium sobat. A lot of his moves are also kinda weird which is probably why he's not very popular
the only thing ive seen chun li players complain about is her dp, this was before her dp buff/fix tho. Before it was punishable if the second hit didnt hit which was ass... With that being fixed which was her only problem really, i dont think she deserves to be downplayed
I don’t think he’s downplayed. He was my main in season 1.He’s still a very solid character the newer characters are just better and no one plays him anymore.
@ idk every time I look on twitter someone complains about his dmg not being high enough or he has to work harder because sway isn’t as brainless as it was
Gief is no longer bad, hes good. But people act like hes broken now, when there are still many characters better than him and/or within his same tier of goodness. People just like whining about grapplers because they are babies who cant adapt to polarizing MUs. I think the gief downplay stems from all the up-play he receives. Hes been buffed but his huge flaws were not fixed from season 1. Still got the worst or one of the worst defenses in the game, and is still slow as bricks. Still gets crossed up etc. hes pretty fair rn imo. Although hes not what i want in a character so i don't play him anyway,
I feel I could say so much but I'll try to keep it brief. I think people would talk about Aki more, if bison didn't do what she did, in a more autopilot fashion. Manon's buttons are hella overrated, because you can disrespect just about all of them. I would say bison "ruins" the game, but just because of how many of them there are, compared to something like Rashid. I fight like single digit rashids a month, and while I hate my time doing so, I fight 2-3 bisons a day. He has basically become the vergil of the game.
Poor Chun Lin was murdered by her nerfs and now she is the worst character in the game. Please Capcom, give her a double fireball, a command grab, and give her more kicks. 😭 Seriously though, I'd just appreciate it if her sweep visually matched where she hit the other characters legs.
@ellachino4799 You realize I was being over the top and trolling a little right? I thought saying she needed more kicks and a command grab would give it away. Of course she isn't the worst in the game... Everyone knows that Ken is. 😜
This guy has an agenda against akuma, he needs to get off his burgers too much burgers causing bad ldl not enough blood in his brain causing brainrot, no akuma players downplay him & when he heard cammy the reaction
Chun-Li players are Guile players in a trenchcoat. Some of the more vocal Manon players be cappin on her buttons fam. They aren’t that good and the range is highly deceptive or just too damn short. Also, super secret tech. If you want to have better defense especially if you’re a Bison player, learn to play Manon.
Screw that - _I_ think Cammy is top 3. No lower than no.4. The downplay on that character is _ludicrous_ . Worse than the Ken downplay, IMO (Ken being "worst shoto" when all the shotos are great doesn't mean much).
Because Cammy players insist that she's not good or mid tier when she's one of the most consistent characters in terms of winrates online and in tournaments.
Heh, as a Main Terry I gotta say that he is not thaaaat good. If you want to play with a shoto just use Ken, Akuma or even Ryu. I only use it bc I'm a KOF/FF fan and I want to see how far I can go with him as a begginer in this game. I don't believe that he is a hidden top tier either, but he's fun to play hahaha
Kimberly here. Nobody making these lists even knows the character. Literally radio silence and shortest bit. 90% scaling I gotta touch you 2-3 more times for the same health. Her best neutral button 5MK hits mid and is 28f total...
@@lucas_teles28 adding to the crMK not being cancellable, i switched to Aki and at least with Aki i get really good combos and pressure with dr crMK, specially behind a fireball, but Kim doesn't get much really
Yeah thats the tradeoff for Kimberly, her neutral lacks range. In exchange she gets high walkspeed, many movement options and lots of setplay and neutral mixups. It sounds that you use Kimberly wrong, you should focus on her strengths or try out a different character that is more suited to the playstyle you want (which is neutral that has more range).
Imma day it...i think Honda is top 3 of downplay. Like i say statistically there is mathematically no way, even with the law of averages, for a character to have a consistent top 5 winrate in season 1, have his entire basic gameplay gutted in season 2 and STILL be top 5 consistent online win rate (check the buckler stats). The main problem is OBVIOUSLY he is a character with 100 good things, but 0 great things in a game where you need at least 2 great things to be efficient.
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Juri players are quiet because they're too busy browsing incognito tabs.
Hear me out. It's Jaime. It's not that he's secretly top tier, but Jamie mains act like he is akin to Roll in MvC2, a complete unwinnable mess. Bro, he's just a character with some 4:6 matchups. Maining him is not the reason you're in 1.3k MR. You still doing random sweeps in neutral and full rekka on block though...
Jamie with full drinks is Yun with Yang's rekka and no installs. Which is probably why they'll never come back.
Play Jamie vs any zoner. That shit ain’t 4:6 lol
Found the two Jamie players
@@rubix0110 You can check the very ranked stats of high skill players. You're half right, zoners are his worst matchup. However, Jamies outright *worst* matchup is Guile, which has a winrate of 4.3:5.7, so... Yes it is. People confuse how a matchup _feel_ vs how it actually is.
@@Araxhii With 4 character slots per year, I don't think those two will be high up on their list. But theoretically they could still work in SF6 purely for not being momentum characters. Jamie is "both" of them, but you need to unlock that potential, which is a pretty significant downside.
akuma downplayers are the worst
akuma gets to have everything in the game, but they swear that he is balanced because 9k health
just 9k health does not work to balance akuma lmao, just admit you are playing a top 2 (top 1 probably) character and move on
Best way someone has said it bro, just wait some hours for the comments on how 1000 lp are so absurdly important that Akuma is bit that strong. Along with Rashid and bison they are some of the most straight up robbery characters in the game
personally i feel like most of the "9k health" comments are jokes or bait and people get mad about it LOL
ye Akuma, Bison, and Ken are chucky cheese characters. I can respect Rashid a little more because he atleast takes some skill to play. Hes not plug-n-play for scrubs like the other ones i mentioned are. JP also, braindead character that belongs in an anime fighter instead of SF.
@@nunyabizwacks6711 nah anime fighter is still too much thinking. he belongs in nrs games
Rashid player spotted
I feel like everyone forgets that a Juri won Capcom Cup.
Against full power Luke at that.
@@badtzkoala8345not to mention Uma was the reason for the nerfs on level ones because on start up they had full invulnerability
Because that's the only tournament that Juri player has won after that most of them just make to top 8 in big tournament but never won, she's an easy character to pick up but hard to win tournament with just like Cammy imo.
@@adamhart2020 100%. Cammy is up played if anything, especially by youtube tier list makers. Ive seen her all over s-tier lately, even top 3, and top 1 on one list i watched. Its wild to me. I think Juri and Cammy are pretty equal characters.
@@adamhart2020 what you're downplaying is that she is ALWAYS in top 8. she has such heavy top cut representation and can still seal the deal, that's what's so good about her.
There are no comments downplaying Chun because everyone dropped her after the nerfs like Leshar and Sako. It's just me here, making a comment downplaying Chun
I once saw a video talking about buffs for Chun Li... in season 1 lol, without any compensation nerfs
Chub Li still had the best s.lp and c.mk in the game. Not to mention a fireball walk.
No dudes UP play Chun. Dudes was talking that "top 3 in the game" shit...they talked that shit right into Chun getting a nerf. Mind you she had NO MAJOR tournament wins.
DLC character power level is cray. All of these people dropping good ass characters for them. I've never heard of anyone dropping their character for Ken, but virtually every Luke, a number of Kens, Ryus, and even players that didn't even play a shoto dropped their characters for Akuma.
I'm here to ride with you, chunners 4 life
I think Kim is good, but her low damage feels like I gotta vortex the opponent for 20 seconds straight in the corner to match the damage a lot of other characters get from their basic BnB combos. It's so much work for so little payoff, but the psychological damage is fun.
Kim can deal around 7000 damage under rare conditions, like terry
I've seen a minimal amount of Juri downplay in regards to her abilities against fireballs, but i think the biggest reason why her players are relatively quiet is because tweeting one-handed is just too much trouble.
she doesnt get downplayed, she just sucks compared to every other good character. the only thing juri has going for her is the ability to walk behind her fireball.
@@pockettwo hey, that isn't a masturbation joke, wtf are you even doing here
@@pockettwoi dubno about that bro. Juri has some great pokes and what not.
Sucks is an exaggeration
The ken downplay is way too exaggerated. Some people overreacted after the season 2 patch and downplayed a bit but everyone says he's good. Not putting him in the top 5 doesn't mean he's trash. We just got a lot of really good characters in this game
You know Ken isn't broken because no pro has ever dropped their character for him.
The downplay itself is a bit of a meme but the reality is that he is a top3 character but all the pros will say he is top 10 or outside top 5. so its less of people are saying he is trash and more of people are saying he is "good" when he is actually "amazing".
Even in early season one when Juri was regarded as top 3 her players didn't say shit. They got together in that discord ajd decided thry wouldn't utter a word about her lmaoo.
Bro, as a Cammy and Manon main, and enjoyer of Aki, Juri, and Ryu:
-my fellow cammy players need to start being more honest lol. The downplay is WILD
-Just keep those lips tight Ryu, Aki, and Juri players. Don’t ruin it for the rest of us
-I love you Manon players.
Honestly ryu always surprises me with his damage! Aki has to be close to cammy in the sense that I struggle with these the most
They're not going to be honest because cammy players don't want her to be nerfed.
They need her to be strong to justify ogling over her.
Cammy is absolutely the worst shoto what are you talking about
Cammy isnt top tier, ppl that dont play her and dont know, just hate playing against her. Its a matchup alot of ppl suck at, but its because the play scared against her. If you just take it to Cammy, be aggressive, and block low 99% of the time, shes not that hard to beat. Ppl that have alot of success with Cammy, you can aleast pretty much assume they have skills and are a pretty decent player, unlike other actual top tier characters that are chucky cheese scrub carriers, like Bison and Akuma. The way ppl try to act like Cammy is carried these days is absolutely insane
@@nunyabizwacks6711 I beat her most of the time with character that has less privileges button than her.
Then i went to play Cammy and i was like, Cammy mains have this much of good buttons and still downplay????? Her button is almost as fast as chun but wayyyy easier to use.
Stop downplaying bro, she is top tier and good solid character. At least be honest for the sake of her
The problem with Chun Li is that Ed and Juri exist who does everything she does but better so she's mid tier at best.
I say she’s high tier. She has some real weakness but also has every tool except throw loop. I do agree there is no reason to play Chun because there are characters that do what she does easier or better. Ima still main her tho.
A normal player: downplaying.
A Gief player: Writes 200 pages thesis about why gief is bad.
Zangief and Potemkin on top of that BOTH uplayed and downplayed list. Also, I really liked the discussion of Marisa. Great points about how it's basically power creep with dlc and overall changes.
Kimberly up play goes crazy. You can’t really say she has the best offense in the game and that she’s not that good. Take a look at Bison. His damage is very high. He has the bomb to act as a setup tool and has very good command over neutral. If you get hit by bison with bomb on you, you die, end of story. Now while Kimberly spray can setups are intimidating, they aren’t nearly as rewarding. She does a low damage combo to get you to the corner, sets up a can and now it’s just a strike throw mixup. If you get grabbed the combo is heavily scaled and she has to setup another can mix. If she overheads, it’s also incredibly scaled and she has to do the same thing. Also she has a limited supply so she’s nice she goes through 2, she has to spend 2 bars to get her main gimmick back, in addition to the 2 bars spent to do the setup anyways. That is not “The best offense in the game”. There are several other characters who have much more efficient and scary offense than Kim does. And the worst part is she didn’t really get that many great buffs. Best one she got was the not using a spray can for her level 1
Kim will always be demonized by the playerbase because most of them are scrubs with 0 matchup knowledge. Anyone who knows the kim matchup knows shes not good at all. Shes a noobkiller
plus with parry in game a lot of her "SCARY MIX UP OMG THE NINJA CHARACTER IS CRAZY!!!!" becomes just "do i parry or not?" lol
Kimberly's worse enemy = jab.
but yea, Akuma and Bison have the best offense in the game, hands down
She does full screen 50/50 with her tp. And miss me with that bs that its reactable cause of colors. No it isnt, thats why no pros react and just guess.
Zangief is super downplayed and super up-played lol, just depends who you ask
Zangief is strong, but he is also one dimensional. That doesnt give him enough presence in the tournaments compared to other characters. At the same time he can act as a counter (like Guile) against some matchups. IMO more characters that are one-dimensional (E. Honda, Manon, Marisa etc) should get the 'Gief treatment so we have more variety.
@@GeoGyf"1 dimensional" i main him but the downplaying is stupid
The people who upplay the hardest would never ever play him under any circumstance in tournament.
If Ed has one hater, it is me. If Ed has 0 haters, they finally nerfed his ass
I solo main Manon since launch and I still believe we can make her work in any meta. It's happening right now low key.
iDom almost qualified for CC with her
@@YunisRajab he did qualify via world warrior after his crazy ECT run getting 2nd place which is probably what you are talking about
Calling ken trash is crazy lol
9:43 I couldn’t agree with a statement more. This is what makes me think Gief is in the perfect place balance wise
I think the worst shoto is a really funny defence for Ken because even it was true, being the worst shoto in SF6 is like being the worlds poorest billionaire. 😭
So basically the purpose of this video is to tell us who to play if you don't want hate, and playing who we genuinely like is frowned upon.
Gotcha.
Bison player here so Im biased and understand hes too strong but it's like the community would prefer a bison nerf over ending world hunger. It's wild the amount of hate he started getting in the last month.
It's cuz there are so effing many, and they ALL play the same. I think people are more bored with the hive mind of bison than anything else.
@@ellachino4799 facts brother speak
he's just a no effort top tier character let's be honest.
I would not mind it if he does not get 1 counter hit medium into 80% no set up bomb
But every hits allow him to do half ur health or 60% with no super or set up
His buttons privilege is always there from start cuz he is a bully chracter, that’s his strength it’s normal. BUT HIS DMG IS NOT FINE.
Also anti airing him is too risky, if you miss ur anti air, Thats a game. He just can jump for free and people can barely do anything against it cuz risk reward is heavily in bison favor. If you go for anti air and he faints it “U R DED”, if you miss time it “U R DED”, oh you did not anti air?? “I AM IN UR FACE AND I AM PLUS”
Why would you get that much out of no effort random hit from character that was design to be able to force win neutral. Big damage is normally fine but when it’s 1 touch 80% into a block for 2 minutes or guess for ur life, that’s too much
@@kyoruhisn’t that all Power types?
Cammy is easily bottom 1. She needs buffs like crazy. I’m a Cammy Main but that has nothing to do with it.
Another jmcroft colab let’s goo
People downplay Terry honestly. He’s not like, broken or super strong or anything but people be putting him in bottom 4 and like? D tier? For real? He’s at least high B.
No way the worst shoto is the high B, bottom 10 for sure, maybe bottom 5 too, his tournaments results are horrible, capcom do try very hard to destroy terry
@ There’s no way that a character who has the tools he has, good damage, and the best cr.mk into DR in the game is bottom 5 dude. Just because he’s the “worst shoto” doesn’t mean anything. And really, id say he’s relatively even with Ryu. He’s in no way worse than Lily, manon, Honda, Kim, Jamie, Dhalisim. that’s just absurd
@@williamalbatross4677there isn’t a single thing that he has that nobody isn’t already doing better, the only characters you could ever say he’s better than are bottom tier, barely functional characters, so he gets to be bottom tier too
B tier is the bottom one on my list, so I agree.
@@williamalbatross4677 Jamie has every tools a good character should have too, but he is still bottom 5, don't fall into the trap
Naruo : After I play terry, I find out Jamie is pretty strong
As a Dhalsim main, I go from downplaying, and up play all in one day.
Stop talkng about character power lvls through the prism of their tournament performance…. Its the PLAYERS , not the CHARACTERS.
“Marisa got buffs but still didnt win majors”…. Well, no sht, maybe its cause her getting buffs didnt make ppl like Itazan drop their mains….? Character being strong doesnt mean everyone has to abandon their preferred picks and start maining said character, just to win the next major and support your narrative.
No one plays Marissa like No one used to play Ryu (pre 2x buffs) its not that she is actually a bad character but its just that Bison does everything she is capable of at a MUCH higher level that you would be stupid to play her. Without anybody like angry bird playing her people start thinking she is "trash".
Already my boy JMCroft came out swimming as a HEEL......HEELL....what a villain, disgusting human been, the lowest of the lowest.....how dare you SIR to say than an HONEST character as CAMMY, mrs White will be downplay, this character is an honest to god mid tier at best, she need fireballs and a command grab as well and air dash to even been consider that she is even in the game, how dare you sir.......what a villain.................also I am NOT Cammy main, I neveeeeer have even touch this character, I just admire from a far 🤣🤣🤣🤣
“That’s not hype?” Killed me
TOKIDO JR LMAO
As a Ryu main, I don't think he's bad but he's not great and that's the way i like it. Comfortably mid 💪
I'm a gief player and I agree. Holy balls gief mains act like he's got nothing going for him. He's so busted and easy. I think he's crazy good, and I love that stinky cheese.
Im a gief player as well and Jesus Christ these mfs call him the most sofisticated character and that his buffs were meaningless
You guys gotta live in an alternative reality, I haven't seen anyone saying Cammy is not good, it's either she is broken or she is very well rounded and balanced, doesn't need any buffs.
Nah you must not have a Cammy main in your local scene. The downplay is crazy
@@trevor384 I am Cammy main and I think she is really strong, easy to pick up, hard to master, very well rounded char and she is mad fun to play, Capcom really did good job with Cammy.
As a Juri main, she is EXTREMELY strong especially this season. Her proportionate representation is absurd, there’s very few Juri mains of top players but they do quite well. Of the el-primo characters on launch, Juri was the one with the least dependency on lights. So the nerfs to light scaling universally in season 2 was the biggest buff she could ever get, and somehow got no independent nerfs AND got minor buffs
But ay, if people want to complain about Bison and Akuma and Zangief instead then please by all means
Bro, juri has to pay for shit ken gets for free
@@sorubro2193 ken and juri can both be broken ya know. She has won more money then him that's for sure.
2:06 I agree bro, I main Cammy and when I hear someone say something like she’s bad, I just laugh. The ONLY thing I’ll accept is that she may have a bit low dmg. Even if it is low tho, it works for her.
Geif has insane buttons and wins in 3 grabs. and his CA does 4500. I hate it so much. as a Kimberly main (that doesn't down play her at all) i do 4 mixups and then lose because the gief is churning butter hoping the combo drops.
The average ca does 4500, giefs does 5300
As a cammy main , the start of the video made go “WOOOOOW” .. and with that I realized he was completely right
Damn JM had that smoke for Cammys lol.
I think before the spin knuckle nerf she was ham, but after the nerf she's pretty fair.
She's top tier in skilled hands, but most players don't have the Punk-tier shimmies or JWong-tier divekick reads, and without those it's hard for an average player to utilize her kit fully against the likes of Akuma or Bison.
the soft downplay is crazyy
@@manuelsputnik LOL
Cammy main?
@@zxy8696 She's in my rotation, but I'm a casual Plat-Di who plays like 8 chars all for fun, so I got no real dog in the balance wars.
Kizzie pulls out the gigabrain strat of downplaying his character by claiming that other Dee Jay mains upplay the character and he's actually worse
Also, the Lily downplay has gotta all be non-Lily players, all the Lily players I hear are like "yo this character's not top tier but she's got some stuff"
Bruh that Kimberly take is wild. Her neutral is terrible unless you choose to get risky. She’s fast but damage sucks.
Manon gets made fun of:
Idom somewhere punching the air:
As a Bison player... I feel attacked, I feel exposed and I feel like you are 100% right. And his defense options do suck. Great stuff guys.
Cammy is NOT TOP 3? No need to watch this video any further.
Kimberly players don't even down play, everyone else just up plays her. lmao
She's been low mid tier since day one and is still low mid tier, getting close to the top of bottom 5 at this rate.
She was heavily up played during the beta.
It's just that Ryu players know how is it to be the lowest of mids. Now he is very good but just the same as always, nothing too broken to make the character revolve around it, they are very realistic cause' Ryu is just knowing how to play the game
Autoshimmys, tons of plus frames, high dmg, projectile, inv reversal dp, piss easy execution, great buttons in neutral. What exactly makes him “mid”, downplayer?
@VDViktor I was referring to before he got all the buffs, I even wrote "Now he is very good". Bro has never held a book in his hands I guess
@@VDViktor The tournament presence.
Ryu players hella downplay, have been doing so since launch. Its just that Ryu mains are kinda uncommon on high level and the mid levels players posts don't get that much traction. You will probably notice a lot of subtle Ryu downplay in this comment section if you scroll for it lol.
I don't mind characters most being top tier because they usually require decent skill to get good at. I only got an issue with Bison and Akuma because they're too easy to pick up and be instantly good at. And I say this as an Akuma main. Ed and Rashid could use a lvl 2 nerf but not necessary. No one else really needs nerfs but a bunch could use buffs/reworks
Ed in North America was the 2nd most downplayed character besides Ken before people realized from Momochi/EW/BrianF results he was in fact extremely strong lol.
These two should do a podcast
I think AKI falls in the same category as you guys considered for Zangief. I think she’s good enough to claim that we, in AKI gang, are downplaying her, but there’s also a large contingent of people talking about AKI likes she’s Vergil tier. AKI, who has no ex reversal, a 40f startup fireball and has to try and use her anti-airs on Cammy and Akuma being a god-tier is just not something you can convince me of. A high tier, to be sure, but let’s not get crazy
Ken's are relying of the fact that they can't 2 or 3 touch you like the "other shotos" for their downplay.
For having won the capcom cup, Juri is remarkably fair. I've never lost to a juri then said "that wasn't fair." She has unique projectiles that she has to work for and excellent, but reachable, aerial options. Sure she's a bit janky to follow with her fake martial stance and style, but you do get used to it. I think she's kinda the gold standard. Never upset to fight a Juri (though I do main a shoto, I cam imagine that matchup being a nightmare for grapplers)
Speaking as a Cammy player: she's for sure top 6. I think she's arguably the 2nd or 3rd best character in the base roster after Guile and possibly Ken. It's just that the DLC characters like Akuma and Bison are so good that they move her down from the top 5, but she can easily fight with the top 5 (who I consider to be Akuma, Bison, Guile, Rashid, and Ed). Cammy is one of the strongest characters in the game that doesn't need high damage or a gimmick to work.
I respect u mate, finally an honest cammy player, well technically cammy players r honest at least, i've not seen any cammy mains downplaying her as much & its coming from an akuma main
IMO Dhalsim is actually the biggest balance problem. Most of the other weaker characters, because they are simple/one-dimensional can simply get the 'Gief treatment. The one-dimensional problem will still exist, but at least the characters will see more tournament presence by dedicated players or simply as counterpicks. I dont see the pros crying about 'Gief as a problem, siimply because they play other picks. However Dhalsim's problem is more fundamental, his moveset in SF6 hasnt panned out (too weird) & he simply isnt picked, so he would need more than just good buffs to be a contender for 1500+, let alone tourney presence.
He shouldnt even be in this game.
No one likes watching him and much less playing against him.
Only a handfull of players likes playing him.
@@Iagui3shut up lol you can't just remove a character
Bison only scrub here! I’ve said since day one! This character is either top 1 or 8 and I honestly can’t tell which.
Now with all the results and such!.. I still don’t know! Crazy representation and good results but Bison(/Solo Bison) actually WINNING events is more rare than you’d think!
No doubt he’s crazy strong though, you’d be crazy to think otherwise! Currently sussing top 4-5 but I’m willing to be convinced he’s top 2.
I think Broski had the best take on ranking the characters, placing them on two axes - there's a generic "Strength" axis, but also a "Stability" access.
Bison and Gief (coincidentally my main characters) are both really strong, but are also _very_ unstable because they both have severe weaknesses that, at any given time, can be taken advantage of and they get RNGed out. So they're very good at taking out players early in brackets, but their consistency at the highest end is extremely suspect. When the majority of tournament matches are FT2, this is a major drawback.
This is why no one has won a major using Bison exclusively. I actually think a substantial portion of the cast beats him, but he can two touch you, so he can RNG out others as well...
Ken/Rashid, on the other hand, are also very strong, but are also very stable i.e. no weaknesses, so they're generally safer to pick. They don't necessarily overwhelm their opponents like Bison/Gief can, but they don't usually get RNGed out either.
Akuma is the biggest question mark to me. He's unquestionably strong, probably the strongest character in the game, BUT his low health means he's also extremely volatile, possibly _the_ most volatile character in the game. I figure as players get better/more experience his win rate should go up, but winning at the highest levels consistently with him is likely super hard.
Wow juri genderswapped into luke. Fr might wanna fix that, you had lukes name under Juris picture.
Guile players swear that the boom into dr is balanced even though they can start offense whenever they want. MFs downplaying that one thing about Guile since day 1.
I guess I am a Chun downplayer, but she really is nowhere near her season 1 strength, so it's hard to evaluate. Obviously, she's a solid character but I really don't feel her strengths anymore unless Im playing vs a Rashid.
Luke was hit with heavy nerfs. How can you experience street fighter six season one and not say this. He went from a million dollar character to hardly viable in tourney. He went from from top 1 to balanced lmao.
I think dee jay is still very strong but he kinda struggles against shotos in neutral with the exception of a few really good moves like medium sobat. A lot of his moves are also kinda weird which is probably why he's not very popular
the only thing ive seen chun li players complain about is her dp, this was before her dp buff/fix tho. Before it was punishable if the second hit didnt hit which was ass... With that being fixed which was her only problem really, i dont think she deserves to be downplayed
I complain about one hit of my sa2 hitting and then them dropping out of the super at longer ranges
Before Phenom proved the most downplayed character was Ken, but right now, have no idea.
Maybe Juri, Chun Li or JP.
Dee jay is downplayed like crazy people really think he in the dumpster
I don’t think he’s downplayed. He was my main in season 1.He’s still a very solid character the newer characters are just better and no one plays him anymore.
@ idk every time I look on twitter someone complains about his dmg not being high enough or he has to work harder because sway isn’t as brainless as it was
Gief is no longer bad, hes good. But people act like hes broken now, when there are still many characters better than him and/or within his same tier of goodness.
People just like whining about grapplers because they are babies who cant adapt to polarizing MUs.
I think the gief downplay stems from all the up-play he receives.
Hes been buffed but his huge flaws were not fixed from season 1. Still got the worst or one of the worst defenses in the game, and is still slow as bricks. Still gets crossed up etc. hes pretty fair rn imo. Although hes not what i want in a character so i don't play him anyway,
Tokido Jr playing Ken
The motion is crazy 😂
you GOTTA do this for GG Strive honestly, I'd love to see how many downplayers exist in GG due to how selfish the game is :)
As an akuma player I can conquer sometimes matches feel unfair for some people😂. I feel bad every now and then but when I vs a chun li I get perfected
Man Kimberly looks different in this video lmao
They shouldn't have nerfed Cammys spin knuckle imo. She's still aight.
Juri ffs! That character is seriously strong af, s tier
I feel I could say so much but I'll try to keep it brief.
I think people would talk about Aki more, if bison didn't do what she did, in a more autopilot fashion. Manon's buttons are hella overrated, because you can disrespect just about all of them. I would say bison "ruins" the game, but just because of how many of them there are, compared to something like Rashid. I fight like single digit rashids a month, and while I hate my time doing so, I fight 2-3 bisons a day. He has basically become the vergil of the game.
Poor Chun Lin was murdered by her nerfs and now she is the worst character in the game. Please Capcom, give her a double fireball, a command grab, and give her more kicks. 😭 Seriously though, I'd just appreciate it if her sweep visually matched where she hit the other characters legs.
the worst in the game? you really just said that on a video blasting downplayers???
@ellachino4799 You realize I was being over the top and trolling a little right? I thought saying she needed more kicks and a command grab would give it away. Of course she isn't the worst in the game... Everyone knows that Ken is. 😜
Luke players agree he's not very good now we don't need to keep repeating it
How is Cammy downplayed? Shes pretty much consensus #5 in the game after the big 4.
This guy has an agenda against akuma, he needs to get off his burgers too much burgers causing bad ldl not enough blood in his brain causing brainrot, no akuma players downplay him & when he heard cammy the reaction
that haircut looking fresh
Nah Geif is hella good, that dude apart of the problem
People talk a lot. Its basically a chart of what character mains yap and which don't.
People downplay bison? Been bison guy since 4. He’s a menace and I love it!
Chun-Li players are Guile players in a trenchcoat.
Some of the more vocal Manon players be cappin on her buttons fam. They aren’t that good and the range is highly deceptive or just too damn short. Also, super secret tech. If you want to have better defense especially if you’re a Bison player, learn to play Manon.
Theres no way its not Ken.
I became a Zangief main from a Melissa main because I have more fun doing that.
Screw that - _I_ think Cammy is top 3. No lower than no.4. The downplay on that character is _ludicrous_ . Worse than the Ken downplay, IMO (Ken being "worst shoto" when all the shotos are great doesn't mean much).
terry upplay where i always see terry downplay
Lol I called out the characters as you said it
How is cammy downplayed when consistently see people crying about her being top tier
Because Cammy players insist that she's not good or mid tier when she's one of the most consistent characters in terms of winrates online and in tournaments.
Heh, as a Main Terry I gotta say that he is not thaaaat good. If you want to play with a shoto just use Ken, Akuma or even Ryu. I only use it bc I'm a KOF/FF fan and I want to see how far I can go with him as a begginer in this game. I don't believe that he is a hidden top tier either, but he's fun to play hahaha
@7:54 "Lilly"
Commenting on every video requesting Makoto’s BBCF combo trials, video 142.
Its not happening bro
Use as a dislike button yall xoxo
Stay strong my nephew son
never give up
Haven't watched the video yet but if the answer isn't Ken then the video is wrong
TOKIDO JR WIN
GET THE TWEET FOR THE DOWNPLAY LMAO hahahhaa!
I clicked on this video so quick lol. Good stuff
I'm a Dhalsim upplayer
nah bro, Cammy the most up played. Def not S tier like ppl claim all the time
Well theres only one sf6 so yknow
thanks!
Kimberly here. Nobody making these lists even knows the character. Literally radio silence and shortest bit. 90% scaling I gotta touch you 2-3 more times for the same health. Her best neutral button 5MK hits mid and is 28f total...
Her neutral is bad, cr.mk is not cancellable, damage and defense is sucks, she is definitely one of the worst in the game.
@@lucas_teles28 adding to the crMK not being cancellable, i switched to Aki and at least with Aki i get really good combos and pressure with dr crMK, specially behind a fireball, but Kim doesn't get much really
Yeah thats the tradeoff for Kimberly, her neutral lacks range. In exchange she gets high walkspeed, many movement options and lots of setplay and neutral mixups. It sounds that you use Kimberly wrong, you should focus on her strengths or try out a different character that is more suited to the playstyle you want (which is neutral that has more range).
Ken is the Dallas Cowboys of SF downplayed lol lmao ha ha ha we don't have enough!!! We need more!! Lmao ha ha ha ha🤣🤣🤣🗑🔥🔥🔥🤣🥰🥇😃❤️🔥🗑👍🤣🤣🤣🤣🍊🔥🗑🤣🤣💰👀👀👀
Imma day it...i think Honda is top 3 of downplay. Like i say statistically there is mathematically no way, even with the law of averages, for a character to have a consistent top 5 winrate in season 1, have his entire basic gameplay gutted in season 2 and STILL be top 5 consistent online win rate (check the buckler stats).
The main problem is OBVIOUSLY he is a character with 100 good things, but 0 great things in a game where you need at least 2 great things to be efficient.
Some akis be giving a hard time