These newer games were meant to entice casuals to stay. In doing so, they've streamlined the gameplay to such a degree, established fans are staying away from them.
@@crisisjackexactly,I haven’t stayed away but I’m not as happy or satisfied.they dumbed down execution and changed the flow of the game too far in one direction.i can only speak for Tekken 8 .
Yup! This the reason why I’ll never touch 8 again until they remove everything that forced my characters input moves to have changed after over 10 years. 🙃
I think people also dont understand the consequences of constantly dooming on Twitter about your game. A newcomer wants to play the newest one. They got their PS5 and just wanna play and it doesn't help when so many people are saying "Oh this is dumb baby game. So uhhh of course you can win" invalidating newcomers for learning something new is a constant detriment.
I remember Tekken Sajam slam players were worried if they should even play/stream the game after the slam cause twitter was so negative about it at the time
@3R9Sasuke exactly. Now I'm of the opinion of play what you want but when you have to think about stats it might not be worth streaming a game that everyone hates (allegedly).
Even though now that SF and Tekken are at the peak of their popularity, aka both sf6 and Tekken 8 releasing with and retaining the most players in their franchise’s history, i wonder how much more popular these games could be if “these games suck” wouldn’t be the first thing people see when they get interested.
@@G0rgarthey aren’t crazy but they sure as hell are predatory. Having only currency bundles available and making the amounts different that the costs of costumes is so scummy. Not a good look for the game
Different generations of the same audience, SF3 players aren't on Twitter asking for skins, it's the newer players that never had an issue with it - the scene changes
SF6 team focusing on avatar makes no sense till you look at how full the Japanese lobbies are during character drops. The game is stupid popular over there. There's like 7 times the amount of players as in the US with like 1/3 the population. It becomes less surprising that they're making avatar cosmetics.
it has probably surpassed Apex as Japan's #1 eSport. And honestly I'm glad, for all the hyperspecific gripes our niche community has with the game, it's a pretty grand achievement in the overall gaming landscape and one their country can take pride in.
The avatars in sf are better than the my sim looking ones in tekken at least. Ive literally not customized my tekken avatar since i made it, but i put new outfits on my sf avatar all the time.
@@BlueLightningSky Wasting money on useless cosmetics tends to not be a great thing, and often times gets price gouged way beyond whatever value would be considered acceptable for pixels in most games. You want to make an argument for dlc character additions to a fighting game? Sure, I'll hear that out. You want to load the game with mountains of smaller price gouging useless cosmetics that do nothing for the game on a mechanical level and are just a way for the company to milk customers with dress up crap? Not as enthused to take part in that. Even in a game that has a slight chance where I might have been, I've usually regretted or see the lack of value in that. You want to propose this stuff for a free to play game? Sure, I have less ground to argue about that since it's free. You want to argue for all this shit in a sixty or god forbid SEVENTY dollar game? Fuck off.
What's wrong with them over there? They really need ugly avatar cosmetics as an incentive to play the game? And they're even happy to pay to unlock the premium tier? How pathetic are they?
As a Tekken and MK main, from an outside perspective, SF6 doesn't seem to be in a problematic state. I see a lot more positive tweets about it than Tekken 8 and Mortal Kombat 1.
It’s not. I dont know where people get that idea. The very few people who say that it’s in a “problematic state” seem to be the only ones thinking/trying to perpetuate that notion despite the vast majority disagreeing.
it's like the reverse of last console gen where SFV was plagued with development issues and lacked the substance to satisfy hardcore fans, while Tekken and Guilty Gear picked up the slack and hard-carried the FGC. Now Tekken and GG have made big initial sales by having super-impressive pretty graphics, but hardly anyone is sticking around for the long run like they are for SF6. MKX was the last worthwhile game in that franchise to come up on my radar repeatedly, I imagine it ended up decently good on accident cus that series has always been schlock.
@@Chowder0440 its completely wrong. the fgc is in a modern revival / golden age. you cannot compare it to mobas or fps esports. this title is clickbait and just annoying
I understand the reason for talking about rootkits, but please don't promote that kind of stuff. It only opens up vulnerabilities in people's computers, and a lot of games outside of fighting games that have really root-level anti-cheat software still have problems with cheaters, so it's not really a solution. The only solution really is if they implement server side input checks and if they implement a faster and more efficient method for reporting and analyzing people who are suspected of cheats. The solution has to be an active one, not a passive one.
@@ZachStarAttack The connection during gameplay might be (I don't know enough). But there are servers invovled. If not, I wouldn't have to be able to view my replays from multiple computers. I think game companies think cheaters need to be stopped in real-time. I don't think that's necessary. You can analyze after the match and then decide. Just ban them after the fact and let me know.
Define bigger numbers? Sales? SF 2 or SF in 90’s is untouched n had non stop players waiting to play. Everyone not just FGC. Tekken 3 was a phenomenon did crazy numbers one of the original PlayStations best sellers. T5 too. They were bigger then with more players still huge now n always will be but yo say never had bigger numbers or players or whatever is very disingenuous. If you didn’t live the 90’s which you clearly didn’t kid you have no idea how huge SF was.
You know what’s crazy about this whole let’s make all these games easy and invited to beginners? Is that _WE_ were all beginners from a very small age, with very limited info on how fighting games worked during eras where games were much harder and faster. And most of the pros started out when they were little. I think the problem that happened this era with games was developers forgetting that people who are committed to learning any fighting games will actually take the time with it and figure out the mechanics. This era of gaming with modern controls, hackers using scripts, people quitting real early if not able to rank up quickly, or quitting the game entirely after they’ve ranked up, really shows you the mindset and mentality of casuals or beginners who just started playing fighting games. They don’t know that fighting games were meant to be hard, meant to take your time with and also test your ability or skills with another player in person. Now these days it’s just about who’s top tier or the most broken or which character is picked most by the pros. When fighting games before were about who you picked off your persona and how good you were with them showing your unique fighting style or footsies. We don’t see that anymore…rarely. This era of gaming was purely cash grab, and you can tell by all the issues with dlc this year and the lack of content with some games.
Was on board with everything until the top tier bit I think FGs have always kinda been like that. Sanford Kelly' "Pick a Top Tier" bar was from like over 15 years ago.
Stopped watching after crofts said there were 5 characters a year for SF6. Very clear that he doesn’t even play the game enough to know how many are released a season.
I mean, there are four per season, but with the way release dates worked out, we did get 5 within one year of Rashid dropping: Rashid - July 24th 2023 A.K.I - September 27th 2023 Ed - February 27th 2024 Akuma - May 22nd 2024 M.Bison - June 26th 2024 So I can see what he was saying.
Game came out June 2023 and had 6 chars since, just getting to season 2. I know they’ve got characters announced. Personally im fine with the amount of chars. I wouldn’t mind balance patches a little more often.
SF6 is doing fine is just the costume situation that is very questionable, and the rank system been a bit broken, but otherwise the game is fine and Terry us absolutely a BLAST I not even think why he is the in the thumb with a boring tag on.
Spot on with the MK bit. It's been going down since after MKX. MK11 was an absolute snoozefest from a gameplay standpoint, but it was a good video game package overall if you are into the single player content. MK1 made some improvements to the gameplay, but never reached the heights of "delicious garbage" that MK9 and MKX are. And NRS just needs to embrace the fact that their games are just that. Very very FUN trash. Crazy fast broken gameplay. They tried so hard to make their games competitive fighters that they forgot to make them fun, and they're still shitty from a competitive standpoint. Now it's just a boring trashy fighting game instead. On top of that MK1 completely fails as a video game package overall. The release was garbage, the single player modes are complete trash, the online modes are from 2011, there's STILL no lobbies. Like WAKE UP NRS. Khaos Reigns FAILED because of these factors. The story was even more garbage, the DLC was completely overpriced, and the game remains unfinished. Time to put the series on the backburner for 3-5 years and maybe release the game finished next time. This is the first time they truly floundered with their casual audience.
It’s a lot of other reasons too like agendas they’ve pushed. Every fighter is broken though don’t claim some aren’t everyone in some way is. Like Max said making a best fighters list without broken games means no list. Sf3 is very broken yet loved n that’s fine. Just don’t be high n mighty like certain games aren’t. Nrs issues aren’t the broken garbage thing u said it’s many others things.
Stop with the click bait shit and I hate Twitter for it. "Fighting games falling off"? WTF they are in it's biggest numbers ever. Stop supporting negativity and support Street Fighter 6 like Japan does that has been doing amazingly
I don’t like the game so I don’t support it, however we at least have options to play the sf’s I do like so I will support them instead of complaining.
The stupidest thing is that even he knows what you’re saying is true, but these content creators feel the need to bring in the haters for whatever reason.
Think for announcements with all the guest characters along with VF6 on the Horizon, fighting games have had a great year. My issue that was not discussed was the monetization of Multiversus and the lack of a new Arc Sys developed game.
One of the biggest things that really killed my hype for SF 6 is the lack of true offline majors especially as part of the Capcom Pro Tour. It just doesn't hit the same, especially when the commentators themselves aren't even in the same room as the event taking place. For me, seeing really hype offline events and storylines unfold, seeing a low tier hero or dark horse competitor go on a really deep run unexpectedly, watching high level competitors do things I never imagined were possible in the game, the pop offs, the hype... There's just not nearly enough offline hype like in the SF 4 or even SF 5 era and that just took a lot of my enjoyment of the fgc and fighting games away, unfortunately. 😞
I find it very interesting that fighting games have this low retention rate. I would love to hear this being discussed more in length and what possible solutions could help fight this.
The only thing developers have to do is add cool looking skins in every battle pass, it does not matter if it is Fortnite, The First descendant or SF6, it just works. It is an instant "shut up and take my money".
capcom just wanted everyone to able to feel like they are diago. by making everything easy af. i used to spend hours in training mode in 4 now in 6 after 10 min there is nothing else to learn apart from character match ups
Exactly people think because they are making fighters its a renaissance but they have to be good too. They are all massive cash grabs & it’s becoming really bad.
@@Tek195 The crazy part is that they had everything in their favor (and they still do)! They just have to correct course and support the community that pays for their games.
@@milton5417 the problem is two things. The companies are ultra greedy making us pay for things we use to get for free. The other issue is the FGC if mk or Tekken does it they critique it. When sf does it though they defend it n say oh worth it but Capcom one of the worst offenders. Until a msg is sent loud n clear nothing changes.
@@milton5417 also the purity of a lot of fighters is gone too much meters, supers, fatal blows, rage arts not 2 mention guest characters most don’t want for money lol 😂 hope VF6 stays pure like a proper martial arts inspired game like most use to be.
The marketing team for Street Fighter in particular doesn’t seem to care about capitalizing off of the popular aspects of SF6. The DLC character drop of 4 at a time is fair enough, but it should feel more expedited while costume drops for characters be more regular than almost non-existent in the meantime. Along with the lack of proper tournament promotions on all of social media, it just feels like they could do more than what they’ve done so far. Hopefully improvements of all I mentioned while also expanding World Tour content will make fans happier and keep the Hub burnin’ hot.
I appreciate the real talk videos of you two especially a lot. Nowadays in particular, I feel like every form of critique gets passed along as being hate (regardless of wording) but those are always meant to be a form of constructive criticism so hopefully next year will be even better for fighting games. Maybe Virtua Fighter 6 will make things more refreshing with a better approach that isn't as volatile in gameplay and doesn't get stale that fast in 2026 or whenever that releases. Hoping for the best anyway.
Under Night in Birth right there doing exactly why fighting games want (nobody plays it), can't blame game companies XD, nobody backs it up because its not popular.
Maybe broken mechanics, OP top tiers (who break gameplay "rules" just because), guessing every 2 sec, and things like throw loops aren't fun? Oh and burnout is one of most unbalanced mechanics ever for certain characters.
I play SF6 daily, but they are really gung ho on the avatar content, which I don't care for. other than that, I really enjoy the game. tekken 8 is fun, but I fell off. I have never been an MK guy.
You ever stop to think that the reason no hype moments don't happen as much is because all the modern games are being made so rigid that they can't? All big matches look the same because everyone plays the same top tiers in the same way because it's not only optimal but the only way they CAN be played.
It's a mix of that and "why play them differently?" There's no reason to diverge from the optimal playstyle and the highest damage most efficient combos are very easily accessible to everyone simply bc there's virtually no upper end execution barrier and no reason to even lab for better or more difficult routes because that depth isn't there and it's not rewarding to look for or try and be creative. Cookie cutter play with a TINY bit of creativity in neutral but not in combos is kind of what it pushes you towards.
@@dorkasaurus_rex The funny thing is MK1(in its current state, was no the case the first few months) has the most high level player expression of the big 3 but all its other problems are weighing that down anyway.
You know how mad i was that the Collab with SpyxFamily i was expecting some kick ass outfits for a lot of the characters, specially that Chun Li with Yor's dress given how good the trailer was, only to be one big wet flatulence in the form of a Battle Hub costume that doesn't even look good...
I think they should've mentioned the whole microtransaction issue of Tekken at the very least. Adding the tekken shop post-launch to trick reviewers, the heihachi stage not included in the ultimate edition, the overall cost of the DLC, the non-F2P way to get anything from tekken shop etc...
Come on Kizzy you didn't need to pretend there's any drama in SF6 my man. Tekken 8 and MK1 had mega dramas and all SF6 players are complaining about is costumes. Just let that sink in. I played all 3, put down MK1 first because it was just horrible.
11:20 NRS never announced that DLC is over, it was a leak (which is prob the case besides the jade VA saying stuff that conflicts unless she’s talking abt a whole new game). think u got them annnounfig the invasion season announcement confused with DLC
I feel the Streeter fighter 6 one wouldn't be mentioned so much if the CAC had their own online que. They have an online stat value it's almost Ryu's but still.
The biggest issue with modern fighting games is there is almost NO emergent gameplay. Everything is boiled down to combos and strategies that the devs have pre baked into the fighting system so every match looks the same and its BORING! This is why im looking forward to fatal fury because it seems like it will allow for more creativity.
This is a big dissent between casuals and pros. Pros want *consistency,* which is the opposite of emergent play; where casuals want more emergent play. Extreme Battle has a LOT of emergent play, but few players bother it any longer than it takes to get the Drive Tickets from the weekly.
Emergent gameplay is the multiplayer aspect! The replayability is the emergent gameplay and street fighter 6 has lots of it! You just need to play something else as it is clear you don't like playing street fighter 6
You dont really want emergent gameplay in a competitive fighting game - that would cause you all kinds of balance issues. You do however, want your system to have enough scope for varied interactions that can be deeply explored through skill and strategy , akin to something like Chess.
SF6... Dafuq... WE WILL GIVE YOU MONEY! Not just costumes, New challenger Pictures, Title banner skins, new sound effects for new challenger, Everything
the problem is that fighting game devs want the steady income and engagement that live service games provide but dont want to shell out the money and time it takes to constantly put out live service content that people would actually try to engage with
SF6 would win me back with some changes to parry and drive rush, but their lack of meaningful shakeups show me they want the game to stay the same I guess.
They fell off just like mmorpgs did, by reaching for casual, and trying to be the next Fartnite. Yeah, fighting games were lesser known and less-played games. The tourneys were generally smaller and more niche, with less advertisement overall. The games were harder to play(which, frankly, was not entirely bad, imo), but a lot of that was due to a lack of information, which is really not a thing these days. Fighting games feel like they've become, to me, to be less a genre with heart and style, and more one with a great deal of flash for quick sales.
Am I the only one that doesn’t want a patch more frequent than 3-4 times a year? I’m new to fighting games and every patch I have to relearn my combos and that takes a lot of time. I feel like I’m still stuck with season 1 combos with SF6 and they’ve already dropped 2 patches since that.
I’m “hardcore casual” that made it to master rank and beat world tour street fighter 6. I bought all of Kim’s costumes and haven’t played since Tekken 8 dropped. The lack of content makes this game so redundant that I rarely play it
Well guess I'm one of those people because it definitely sucks. Tekken won best fighting game so theres that. Its all based on opinion and playstyle. Sf6 is boring tho extremely
Nah bruh 6 isnt that great the best fighter out right now is tekken 8 sf6 is better than 5 until capcom gives character freedom in sf again it will suck theres only 1 way to play every character you cant tell who is playing because theres only 1 optimal style per character
@@OgSleepi think his point was that tekken didnt beat sf for the award because they were in different years. Tekken came out in a much slower year for new fighting game releases. I love t8 and sf6 though, i alternate between them whenever they have something going on.
Over 300 hundred hours on sf6 and im still in love w it, out of all the newer fighting games, sf6 and sparking zero are the hardest(coolest) ones. Sadly sf6 is truly out of touch when it comes to new content.
i agree with the marketing thing. I am not in the fgc or follow it too closely. It feel like outside of Evo there is like no marketing for a lot of the tourneys/events. It feels like all i hear about are locals and evo. i don't hear about any of the middle level tourneys. When it comes to other games i will at least hear about qualifiers even if i don't follow the game at all.
JM is so right about mk I used love the series and noticed how netherealm shits out games every year or 2 and they aren't really pushing the bar. Gotta be exhausting for them
18:00 that was literally my reaction,i was interested but didnt know when the TWT was gonna happen,i just knew it happened after,when phiDX posted some videos about it I dont know where to get some news about tournaments that are happening in the FGC (i dont use twitter btw)
Honestly I hope 2XKO hits the fighting game industry hard cuz they have the path to bring in new players and communities to the this game while the others are somewhat restricting
What went wrong is nothing, people just play fighting games like they do main stream games, they want constant support, but that’s not fighting games works, that’s why most fighting games you only have the core audience that keeps the game and franchises alive!!
The only fighting game I've continued playing is Tekken and even that game took me a while to get used to. I just had to accept it for what it was and stop comparing it to the older games
Fighting games are boring because they are naturally boring to the casual. Not engough depth to them or reward, and yet and still, i can still find some way to watch so-called pro's play from time to time. Fighting games are boring, but not lame.
I really wish that I liked SF6 more but the matter of the fact is that I really miss my mains from other games who were from Alpha and III and waiting 6 months and hoping the new character does something for me didn't work with the wait from AKI to Ed and it going on for the second time really is taking the wind out of my sails. Not to mention that there's just nothing to look forward to unless you like avatar skins, which I got my fill of after a month of the game being out. There's so much that's cool about the game but the post-launch support of the game has been a giant sour note that's becoming worse now that we're waiting for months for content for the second year in a row. I'm hoping that someone like Sakura highlights Season 3 and they do something about this DLC schedule because I'm feeling like my interest has been waning on a game that had a great launch but has let me down post release quite a bit. Part of it is missing my characters but the other part is just seeing all of the content just being around crossovers that involve avatars, and it's just such a let down and has made me like the game way less. But to be more positive Granblue is actually my favorite fighting game right now from both gameplay and the content. So many really fun DLC characters, a battle pass that gives you music, colors, currency to buy characters, and also a really well done premium outfit at the end. I really wish more people were playing it because it's so much fun and is getting better with each update, even if a couple of characters are a little overtuned right now.
Do people even get together anymore and just play the game outside of online or tournaments? I feel like that's a big thing that's been missing for me personally. The fighting game community feels like an online only term these days and the actual social aspect of the community only exists online. And that sucks. When SF4 came out, there was a small community out where I live that got together and just had fun hanging out and playing and talking about the game. Those were some of the best times of my life. But it's gone now and I'm not sure it'll ever come back.
Not dealing with cheaters is the most frustrating. Deal with them already, or remove in the case of Tekken the reporting system if you are not going to do anything about it.
Esports stuff aside and after trying the VF 5 Revo beta, all I want is just a raw brawl, personally all these meters and mechanics just are annoying, too much shit going on and at times even unfair.
My issue with street fighter 6 is throw loops and no real champion costumes and only avatar costumes no one uses and drive being a little busted still and parry needs to be nerfed to were it can be swept or something aswell and Drive impact needs to only block 1 or 2 hits and thats it... Tekken 8 issue is the heat system is way to spammy and plus on everything and rage arts being immune to everything and 75% damage reduction and it freezes the game so u cant punish until u block it. Also almost everything tracking and being plus on everything is annoying no real punish possibilitys in tekken mind you tekken 8 is my first real tekken. And armor needs to only block like 2 hits not block EVERYTHING except grabs and i think sweeps. We really need more defensive stuff in fighting games... like a strive burst.
7:37 I really hope that VF6 doesn't go down this route and add a comeback mechanic like Tekken Rage or easy bake universal tool like Heat Burst. it was refresh slugging it out in the R.E.V.O Beta. ppl just dont want to get run over anymore
MK11 would have been sooooooo dope but they made it a stupid 2v2 instead. The real problem is that to be good you have to play hyper aggressive in all of them.
SF6 feels claustrophobic and boring to play, MK1 is ass, Tekken 8 is just 24/7 gorilla mode. If the new Fatal Fury game ends up being ass, I just sell everything I have related to fighting games. I just miss playing characters like Urien from 3s and Vatista from UNI2 for example.
Honestly i stopped watching SF6 Tournaments because the game is way too boring to watch - those skip neutral mechanics are making the games feel random. On top of that the games are being dumbed down to try to appeal to more casuals but those players can't even do a simple combo and quit after a day, all those companies are doing right now is killing the hardcore professional scene trying to appeal to people that just play the game for a week or so and quit... Tournaments feel random, it doesn't feel like the best players win anymore, the tournaments are not hype because its no longer impressive to watch pros play.. Moment 37 is legendary because it was so hard and cool that only legendary players like Daigo can pull it off but now nothing is impressive anymore. People are here for it though, the most hyped game at last evo was honestly 3rd Strike, i still go back to watch Hayao matches and highlights.. I would say that even SF5 at the end of his life felt deeper and more skilled than SF6 right now.. I hope City of the wolves will bring some of that back and they don't dumb down the game too much !
fighting games dont need constant updates they need no updates games that stand the test of time are super smash bros melee, street fighter 3rd strike and marvel vs capcom 2 no patches but amazingly passionate fan bases for 20+ years. its about game quality simply if the game is good people will play it if you water things down it makes the game more boring for pros and only keeps the casuals interest for 2 weeks tops
Team fight Tactics? We are comparing Apples and Oranges here .That is a f2p model, and those have various shenanigans to stave off the boredom that inevitably comes from the repetitive gameplay. TFT in particular employs even more shenanigans for eve mouth at the cost of gameplay depth.
All the people complaining about "lack of content/bad content nobody wants" in SF6 is trapped in their own bubble. Hop on any populated Battle hub server, especially in Asia and you'll see a bunch of people with fighters pass gear. Just because you choose to ignore 2/3 of the games content, doesnt mean everyone else is.
Fighting games were never meant to be long plays for casuals.
Exactly
These newer games were meant to entice casuals to stay. In doing so, they've streamlined the gameplay to such a degree, established fans are staying away from them.
I’m not a casual and the issue extends far beyond people just not liking a game you play a lot .especially with Tekken 8.
@@crisisjackexactly,I haven’t stayed away but I’m not as happy or satisfied.they dumbed down execution and changed the flow of the game too far in one direction.i can only speak for Tekken 8 .
Yup! This the reason why I’ll never touch 8 again until they remove everything that forced my characters input moves to have changed after over 10 years. 🙃
I think people also dont understand the consequences of constantly dooming on Twitter about your game. A newcomer wants to play the newest one. They got their PS5 and just wanna play and it doesn't help when so many people are saying "Oh this is dumb baby game. So uhhh of course you can win" invalidating newcomers for learning something new is a constant detriment.
I remember Tekken Sajam slam players were worried if they should even play/stream the game after the slam cause twitter was so negative about it at the time
@3R9Sasuke exactly. Now I'm of the opinion of play what you want but when you have to think about stats it might not be worth streaming a game that everyone hates (allegedly).
Whining is dumb, if you don’t like the modern game, don’t play it. Everyone (bar tekken) is finally getting rollback options
Even though now that SF and Tekken are at the peak of their popularity, aka both sf6 and Tekken 8 releasing with and retaining the most players in their franchise’s history, i wonder how much more popular these games could be if “these games suck” wouldn’t be the first thing people see when they get interested.
On the other hand, how much of these people's opinion matter when they have never played a fighting game before sf6/tekken8 ?
The costume situation is baffling, but I'm still having a blast with SF6 otherwise.
The lack of costumes or the crazy prices
@YunisRajab I don't think the prices are that crazy, go look at any other modern game with cosmetics. The lack of a bundle sucks, though
@@G0rgarthey aren’t crazy but they sure as hell are predatory. Having only currency bundles available and making the amounts different that the costs of costumes is so scummy. Not a good look for the game
@@willkershisnik5893 Yeah sure, that sucks. Everyone does it though, it's a shitty industry wide practice.
Deberían ser gratis los estúpidos disfraces de personajes
I love how SF6 turned everyone from saying costumes are a rip off to having them beg Capcom to rip them off.
Different generations of the same audience, SF3 players aren't on Twitter asking for skins, it's the newer players that never had an issue with it - the scene changes
I think the character costumes are worth it if you get them in a pack. Especially because in SF 5 they were so high-quality
@@imraw17I wouldn’t say they were ALL high quality tbh
SF6 team focusing on avatar makes no sense till you look at how full the Japanese lobbies are during character drops. The game is stupid popular over there. There's like 7 times the amount of players as in the US with like 1/3 the population. It becomes less surprising that they're making avatar cosmetics.
it has probably surpassed Apex as Japan's #1 eSport. And honestly I'm glad, for all the hyperspecific gripes our niche community has with the game, it's a pretty grand achievement in the overall gaming landscape and one their country can take pride in.
The avatars in sf are better than the my sim looking ones in tekken at least. Ive literally not customized my tekken avatar since i made it, but i put new outfits on my sf avatar all the time.
@@zenwuuyes i think that's called pleasing your playerbase. Must be an alien concept to westerners.
@@BlueLightningSky Wasting money on useless cosmetics tends to not be a great thing, and often times gets price gouged way beyond whatever value would be considered acceptable for pixels in most games. You want to make an argument for dlc character additions to a fighting game? Sure, I'll hear that out. You want to load the game with mountains of smaller price gouging useless cosmetics that do nothing for the game on a mechanical level and are just a way for the company to milk customers with dress up crap? Not as enthused to take part in that. Even in a game that has a slight chance where I might have been, I've usually regretted or see the lack of value in that.
You want to propose this stuff for a free to play game? Sure, I have less ground to argue about that since it's free. You want to argue for all this shit in a sixty or god forbid SEVENTY dollar game? Fuck off.
@@casbalt7763Hard agree at least I somewhat care in SF lobbies, Tekken is whatever
Street fighter 6 doing what japanese fanbase want. Including battle passes
Including balance patches, I must say..
@@baldbishop1667 I agree!
What's wrong with them over there? They really need ugly avatar cosmetics as an incentive to play the game?
And they're even happy to pay to unlock the premium tier? How pathetic are they?
As a Tekken and MK main, from an outside perspective, SF6 doesn't seem to be in a problematic state. I see a lot more positive tweets about it than Tekken 8 and Mortal Kombat 1.
It’s not. I dont know where people get that idea. The very few people who say that it’s in a “problematic state” seem to be the only ones thinking/trying to perpetuate that notion despite the vast majority disagreeing.
I think some people are just stirring up drama for content in sf6.
Yeah for real. Like all I hear is "there's not enough costumes". Which is true, but like if that's your only issue, that's great.
it's like the reverse of last console gen where SFV was plagued with development issues and lacked the substance to satisfy hardcore fans, while Tekken and Guilty Gear picked up the slack and hard-carried the FGC. Now Tekken and GG have made big initial sales by having super-impressive pretty graphics, but hardly anyone is sticking around for the long run like they are for SF6.
MKX was the last worthwhile game in that franchise to come up on my radar repeatedly, I imagine it ended up decently good on accident cus that series has always been schlock.
Sf6 is boring as fuck tekken is the best fighter out right now
Calling Terry boring in the thumbnail is crazy
Editor was spitting with that one
It’s accurate.
Its the truth, Sf6 is boring COMPLETELY GARBAGE
I meaan...
@@ITS-A-ME-xx8tq why?
That thumbnail is wild asf. Definitely some click bait level shit
I mean it's not wrong
@@Chowder0440 really it is wrong though
@@Chowder0440 its completely wrong. the fgc is in a modern revival / golden age. you cannot compare it to mobas or fps esports. this title is clickbait and just annoying
Its not lying tho
It said Tekken is forgotten thats some clickbaity shit
Wazzler made 19% of MvC2 players refund. Destroying the industry
Where did you get this number from
I understand the reason for talking about rootkits, but please don't promote that kind of stuff. It only opens up vulnerabilities in people's computers, and a lot of games outside of fighting games that have really root-level anti-cheat software still have problems with cheaters, so it's not really a solution.
The only solution really is if they implement server side input checks and if they implement a faster and more efficient method for reporting and analyzing people who are suspected of cheats. The solution has to be an active one, not a passive one.
If you weren't going to say it, I was.
there are no servers it's peer to peer
@@ZachStarAttack The connection during gameplay might be (I don't know enough). But there are servers invovled. If not, I wouldn't have to be able to view my replays from multiple computers. I think game companies think cheaters need to be stopped in real-time. I don't think that's necessary. You can analyze after the match and then decide. Just ban them after the fact and let me know.
Why are we talking about fighting games falling off when Tekken and Streetfighter have never had bigernumbers in history???
I think the same thing.
Sf6 is thriving but Mk not so…
cause this channel is run by a short term thinking creator...they want click bait not to cultivate a honest audience.
Because grifting brings views on UA-cam, even if they say stupid crap that can be disproven by steam chart numbers.
Define bigger numbers? Sales? SF 2 or SF in 90’s is untouched n had non stop players waiting to play. Everyone not just FGC. Tekken 3 was a phenomenon did crazy numbers one of the original PlayStations best sellers. T5 too. They were bigger then with more players still huge now n always will be but yo say never had bigger numbers or players or whatever is very disingenuous. If you didn’t live the 90’s which you clearly didn’t kid you have no idea how huge SF was.
You know what’s crazy about this whole let’s make all these games easy and invited to beginners? Is that _WE_ were all beginners from a very small age, with very limited info on how fighting games worked during eras where games were much harder and faster. And most of the pros started out when they were little. I think the problem that happened this era with games was developers forgetting that people who are committed to learning any fighting games will actually take the time with it and figure out the mechanics.
This era of gaming with modern controls, hackers using scripts, people quitting real early if not able to rank up quickly, or quitting the game entirely after they’ve ranked up, really shows you the mindset and mentality of casuals or beginners who just started playing fighting games.
They don’t know that fighting games were meant to be hard, meant to take your time with and also test your ability or skills with another player in person. Now these days it’s just about who’s top tier or the most broken or which character is picked most by the pros. When fighting games before were about who you picked off your persona and how good you were with them showing your unique fighting style or footsies. We don’t see that anymore…rarely.
This era of gaming was purely cash grab, and you can tell by all the issues with dlc this year and the lack of content with some games.
Was on board with everything until the top tier bit I think FGs have always kinda been like that. Sanford Kelly' "Pick a Top Tier" bar was from like over 15 years ago.
We live in a society that gives out participation awards. I'm not even surprised they are making fighting games easier.
Stopped watching after crofts said there were 5 characters a year for SF6. Very clear that he doesn’t even play the game enough to know how many are released a season.
Folks!
I mean, there are four per season, but with the way release dates worked out, we did get 5 within one year of Rashid dropping:
Rashid - July 24th 2023
A.K.I - September 27th 2023
Ed - February 27th 2024
Akuma - May 22nd 2024
M.Bison - June 26th 2024
So I can see what he was saying.
@@afroraykun if you want to twist how ingame seasons or the beginning of a new years works, sure. Even though it would be still a reach.
Game came out June 2023 and had 6 chars since, just getting to season 2. I know they’ve got characters announced. Personally im fine with the amount of chars. I wouldn’t mind balance patches a little more often.
SF6 is doing fine is just the costume situation that is very questionable, and the rank system been a bit broken, but otherwise the game is fine and Terry us absolutely a BLAST I not even think why he is the in the thumb with a boring tag on.
Yeah i don't even use terry but hes been fun to fight against even.
Online discourse makes creating content really tiring
Spot on with the MK bit. It's been going down since after MKX. MK11 was an absolute snoozefest from a gameplay standpoint, but it was a good video game package overall if you are into the single player content. MK1 made some improvements to the gameplay, but never reached the heights of "delicious garbage" that MK9 and MKX are. And NRS just needs to embrace the fact that their games are just that. Very very FUN trash. Crazy fast broken gameplay. They tried so hard to make their games competitive fighters that they forgot to make them fun, and they're still shitty from a competitive standpoint. Now it's just a boring trashy fighting game instead.
On top of that MK1 completely fails as a video game package overall. The release was garbage, the single player modes are complete trash, the online modes are from 2011, there's STILL no lobbies. Like WAKE UP NRS. Khaos Reigns FAILED because of these factors. The story was even more garbage, the DLC was completely overpriced, and the game remains unfinished. Time to put the series on the backburner for 3-5 years and maybe release the game finished next time. This is the first time they truly floundered with their casual audience.
Just a couple misses all good
It’s a lot of other reasons too like agendas they’ve pushed. Every fighter is broken though don’t claim some aren’t everyone in some way is. Like Max said making a best fighters list without broken games means no list. Sf3 is very broken yet loved n that’s fine. Just don’t be high n mighty like certain games aren’t. Nrs issues aren’t the broken garbage thing u said it’s many others things.
Stop with the click bait shit and I hate Twitter for it. "Fighting games falling off"? WTF they are in it's biggest numbers ever. Stop supporting negativity and support Street Fighter 6 like Japan does that has been doing amazingly
I don’t like the game so I don’t support it, however we at least have options to play the sf’s
I do like so I will support them instead of complaining.
The stupidest thing is that even he knows what you’re saying is true, but these content creators feel the need to bring in the haters for whatever reason.
Aint nobody forget tekken
The crack Era of SF6 AND Tekken 8 was so funny bruh 😂 Everybody was a suspect. The ultimate line during that time " You got the crack!?" 😂👀😅
Fighting games is really not the same anymore
Think for announcements with all the guest characters along with VF6 on the Horizon, fighting games have had a great year. My issue that was not discussed was the monetization of Multiversus and the lack of a new Arc Sys developed game.
One of the biggest things that really killed my hype for SF 6 is the lack of true offline majors especially as part of the Capcom Pro Tour. It just doesn't hit the same, especially when the commentators themselves aren't even in the same room as the event taking place.
For me, seeing really hype offline events and storylines unfold, seeing a low tier hero or dark horse competitor go on a really deep run unexpectedly, watching high level competitors do things I never imagined were possible in the game, the pop offs, the hype... There's just not nearly enough offline hype like in the SF 4 or even SF 5 era and that just took a lot of my enjoyment of the fgc and fighting games away, unfortunately. 😞
I find it very interesting that fighting games have this low retention rate. I would love to hear this being discussed more in length and what possible solutions could help fight this.
The only thing developers have to do is add cool looking skins in every battle pass, it does not matter if it is Fortnite, The First descendant or SF6, it just works. It is an instant "shut up and take my money".
Yeah it's literally infinite money glitch for them, First descendant wants to break my wallet
capcom just wanted everyone to able to feel like they are diago. by making everything easy af. i used to spend hours in training mode in 4 now in 6 after 10 min there is nothing else to learn apart from character match ups
What should've been the FGC Renaissance turned into a massive flop possibly caused by questionable corporate practices/priorities.
Exactly people think because they are making fighters its a renaissance but they have to be good too. They are all massive cash grabs & it’s becoming really bad.
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@@Tek195 The crazy part is that they had everything in their favor (and they still do)! They just have to correct course and support the community that pays for their games.
@@milton5417 the problem is two things. The companies are ultra greedy making us pay for things we use to get for free. The other issue is the FGC if mk or Tekken does it they critique it. When sf does it though they defend it n say oh worth it but Capcom one of the worst offenders. Until a msg is sent loud n clear nothing changes.
@@milton5417 also the purity of a lot of fighters is gone too much meters, supers, fatal blows, rage arts not 2 mention guest characters most don’t want for money lol 😂 hope VF6 stays pure like a proper martial arts inspired game like most use to be.
The marketing team for Street Fighter in particular doesn’t seem to care about capitalizing off of the popular aspects of SF6. The DLC character drop of 4 at a time is fair enough, but it should feel more expedited while costume drops for characters be more regular than almost non-existent in the meantime. Along with the lack of proper tournament promotions on all of social media, it just feels like they could do more than what they’ve done so far. Hopefully improvements of all I mentioned while also expanding World Tour content will make fans happier and keep the Hub burnin’ hot.
Snk fighting games are popping off hard lately. Kof15 has the best gameplay with insane character roster. Can't wait for fatal fury next year!
I appreciate the real talk videos of you two especially a lot.
Nowadays in particular, I feel like every form of critique gets passed along as being hate (regardless of wording) but those are always meant to be a form of constructive criticism so hopefully next year will be even better for fighting games. Maybe Virtua Fighter 6 will make things more refreshing with a better approach that isn't as volatile in gameplay and doesn't get stale that fast in 2026 or whenever that releases. Hoping for the best anyway.
Under Night in Birth right there doing exactly why fighting games want (nobody plays it), can't blame game companies XD, nobody backs it up because its not popular.
Maybe broken mechanics, OP top tiers (who break gameplay "rules" just because), guessing every 2 sec, and things like throw loops aren't fun? Oh and burnout is one of most unbalanced mechanics ever for certain characters.
If you don’t like sf6 you can literally play any other sf game right now, with rollback. You aren’t a tekken player. You have options
@Shodan130 or I can give my opinion?
@@SHendrixx2 dude that's an issue with the community sometimes. They shoot you down for having criticism. "Get good" ect lol.
@Boom_OH yeah screw them... Everyone has a right to have an opinion about how they feel about the game
@@Shodan130 Am I missing something...which other SF games have rollback on PS?
I play SF6 daily, but they are really gung ho on the avatar content, which I don't care for. other than that, I really enjoy the game. tekken 8 is fun, but I fell off. I have never been an MK guy.
You ever stop to think that the reason no hype moments don't happen as much is because all the modern games are being made so rigid that they can't? All big matches look the same because everyone plays the same top tiers in the same way because it's not only optimal but the only way they CAN be played.
It's a mix of that and "why play them differently?" There's no reason to diverge from the optimal playstyle and the highest damage most efficient combos are very easily accessible to everyone simply bc there's virtually no upper end execution barrier and no reason to even lab for better or more difficult routes because that depth isn't there and it's not rewarding to look for or try and be creative. Cookie cutter play with a TINY bit of creativity in neutral but not in combos is kind of what it pushes you towards.
@@dorkasaurus_rex The funny thing is MK1(in its current state, was no the case the first few months) has the most high level player expression of the big 3 but all its other problems are weighing that down anyway.
@@gummyboots You talking right now??
DLC taking a whole year to fully drop. Even when they announce a new season you still might be waiting a year to play the character you want.
Roster is still dissapointing
You know how mad i was that the Collab with SpyxFamily i was expecting some kick ass outfits for a lot of the characters, specially that Chun Li with Yor's dress given how good the trailer was, only to be one big wet flatulence in the form of a Battle Hub costume that doesn't even look good...
When the big big three were dropped i thought we going to have a resurgence or something
That modern 1 button play in SF6 is the absolute worst!!!!! It should've stayed classic and make people learn the moves like we all have growing up
They only had that stuff to make you waste more money in the arcade
@@Boom_OH ? People have been playing fighting games at home since the mid-00s
One word rosters......all fighting games are missing important characters...
There's about 15 characters with built in fan-bases waiting to get into 6...The launch roster was poor in my opinion.
I think they should've mentioned the whole microtransaction issue of Tekken at the very least. Adding the tekken shop post-launch to trick reviewers, the heihachi stage not included in the ultimate edition, the overall cost of the DLC, the non-F2P way to get anything from tekken shop etc...
Love the sf3 2nd impact sean stage for the graphic at the start such a beautiful stage.
Come on Kizzy you didn't need to pretend there's any drama in SF6 my man. Tekken 8 and MK1 had mega dramas and all SF6 players are complaining about is costumes. Just let that sink in. I played all 3, put down MK1 first because it was just horrible.
11:20 NRS never announced that DLC is over, it was a leak (which is prob the case besides the jade VA saying stuff that conflicts unless she’s talking abt a whole new game). think u got them annnounfig the invasion season announcement confused with DLC
I feel the Streeter fighter 6 one wouldn't be mentioned so much if the CAC had their own online que. They have an online stat value it's almost Ryu's but still.
The biggest issue with modern fighting games is there is almost NO emergent gameplay. Everything is boiled down to combos and strategies that the devs have pre baked into the fighting system so every match looks the same and its BORING! This is why im looking forward to fatal fury because it seems like it will allow for more creativity.
"Emergent gameplay" isn't a thing you can make happen. its just getting lucky that all the nonsense you forgot to fix somehow ends up being fun.
This is a big dissent between casuals and pros. Pros want *consistency,* which is the opposite of emergent play; where casuals want more emergent play. Extreme Battle has a LOT of emergent play, but few players bother it any longer than it takes to get the Drive Tickets from the weekly.
Emergent gameplay is the multiplayer aspect! The replayability is the emergent gameplay and street fighter 6 has lots of it! You just need to play something else as it is clear you don't like playing street fighter 6
You dont really want emergent gameplay in a competitive fighting game - that would cause you all kinds of balance issues. You do however, want your system to have enough scope for varied interactions that can be deeply explored through skill and strategy , akin to something like Chess.
HE THINKS GAROU WILL DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT TO SF6 lmaooo
How does this channel even have 70k subs..... ?
They wouldn't need to shake up things if the core system had some actual depth
SF6... Dafuq... WE WILL GIVE YOU MONEY! Not just costumes, New challenger Pictures, Title banner skins, new sound effects for new challenger, Everything
It's crazy how marvel rivals released with more skins than sf6. Like dawg they could have so much free money
I unironically love that saying things like "This guy is cracked" took on a whole new dimension after the launch of SF6.
the problem is that fighting game devs want the steady income and engagement that live service games provide but dont want to shell out the money and time it takes to constantly put out live service content that people would actually try to engage with
Complaining about the Drive Gauge in SF6 and the Heat Gauge in T8 was the only issues I had with this video.
Why capcom do not penalize the people on ranked mode who disconect themself when they are loooosing and you get no points ???
in marvel collection MVC2 you get points even if you lose. 😯😯
Not sure what they do now but in sf5 you were banned for 24 hours if you did it 3 times.
SF6 would win me back with some changes to parry and drive rush, but their lack of meaningful shakeups show me they want the game to stay the same I guess.
You're setting yourself up for disappointment expecting system mechanic changes midway through a competitive season
They fell off just like mmorpgs did, by reaching for casual, and trying to be the next Fartnite.
Yeah, fighting games were lesser known and less-played games.
The tourneys were generally smaller and more niche, with less advertisement overall.
The games were harder to play(which, frankly, was not entirely bad, imo), but a lot of that was due to a lack of information, which is really not a thing these days.
Fighting games feel like they've become, to me, to be less a genre with heart and style, and more one with a great deal of flash for quick sales.
No lie, they putting Clive in Tekken 8 is the most *we have Mcdonalds at home* move, it was so corny it made me stop thinking about the game.
And you didn’t see this coming after Noctis ? Lol
@@Shodan130 actually, no, I saw this coming a mile away when everyone was asking for Tifa. But everyone forgets you don't ask a certain man for S***
@@Ohsnapkline yea like making a decent tekken game, been waiting near 20 years for that one
Well, it doubled the player numbers so your thoughts about it are not really relevant in their eyes
I'm at a point of apathy with sf6. Best to stop having any expectations just see what's next and forget it if it's lame.
1 thing I'm not gone let yall forget that we got. The replay mode where we can pick up where we want was MAJOR
jmcroft's MK perspective felt so spot on. 👌🦖
So glad I don’t engage with social media often so I can just enjoy these games rather than be bombarded with nonsense like this.
Am I the only one that doesn’t want a patch more frequent than 3-4 times a year? I’m new to fighting games and every patch I have to relearn my combos and that takes a lot of time. I feel like I’m still stuck with season 1 combos with SF6 and they’ve already dropped 2 patches since that.
I’m “hardcore casual” that made it to master rank and beat world tour street fighter 6. I bought all of Kim’s costumes and haven’t played since Tekken 8 dropped. The lack of content makes this game so redundant that I rarely play it
Lack of innovation, not to be confused with gimmicks, but I mean actual fleshed out ideas formed by a passion for the game/franchise.
SF6 is awesome. Folks who call SF6 boring but then prop up SF5 gargle paint thinner, those people are stupid.
Well guess I'm one of those people because it definitely sucks. Tekken won best fighting game so theres that. Its all based on opinion and playstyle. Sf6 is boring tho extremely
@@OgSleep Homie can't even remember what year SF6 came out during.
@@SpankinDaBagel boring is boring no matter what year it came out
Nah bruh 6 isnt that great the best fighter out right now is tekken 8 sf6 is better than 5 until capcom gives character freedom in sf again it will suck theres only 1 way to play every character you cant tell who is playing because theres only 1 optimal style per character
@@OgSleepi think his point was that tekken didnt beat sf for the award because they were in different years. Tekken came out in a much slower year for new fighting game releases. I love t8 and sf6 though, i alternate between them whenever they have something going on.
Terry was probably the most fun I’ve had with the game since release, I hope Mai is great, too.
MK1 situation wasn't an official announcement. I'm pretty sure that was a leak that WB neither confirmed nor denied.
I couldn't care anyless about new costumes. I just want a color swatch like Tekken 8 has for existing costumes.
Over 300 hundred hours on sf6 and im still in love w it, out of all the newer fighting games, sf6 and sparking zero are the hardest(coolest) ones.
Sadly sf6 is truly out of touch when it comes to new content.
i agree with the marketing thing. I am not in the fgc or follow it too closely. It feel like outside of Evo there is like no marketing for a lot of the tourneys/events. It feels like all i hear about are locals and evo. i don't hear about any of the middle level tourneys. When it comes to other games i will at least hear about qualifiers even if i don't follow the game at all.
It's the monetization that's turned me off. SF6's "fighter coin" system is so predatory it's insane.
JM is so right about mk I used love the series and noticed how netherealm shits out games every year or 2 and they aren't really pushing the bar. Gotta be exhausting for them
I wonder if Capcom has realized they can put high quality costumes in the battlepass amd it will be 10000 times better than the avatar slop.
Akuma not being nerfed enough is appalling.
18:00 that was literally my reaction,i was interested but didnt know when the TWT was gonna happen,i just knew it happened after,when phiDX posted some videos about it
I dont know where to get some news about tournaments that are happening in the FGC (i dont use twitter btw)
Honestly I hope 2XKO hits the fighting game industry hard cuz they have the path to bring in new players and communities to the this game while the others are somewhat restricting
The FGC seems to never be satisfied. Asking to be ripped off, like those other games that keep getting updates, is hilarious.
I never play online in fighting games I hate losing constantly
What went wrong is nothing, people just play fighting games like they do main stream games, they want constant support, but that’s not fighting games works, that’s why most fighting games you only have the core audience that keeps the game and franchises alive!!
The only fighting game I've continued playing is Tekken and even that game took me a while to get used to. I just had to accept it for what it was and stop comparing it to the older games
Fighting games are boring because they are naturally boring to the casual. Not engough depth to them or reward, and yet and still, i can still find some way to watch so-called pro's play from time to time. Fighting games are boring, but not lame.
I really wish that I liked SF6 more but the matter of the fact is that I really miss my mains from other games who were from Alpha and III and waiting 6 months and hoping the new character does something for me didn't work with the wait from AKI to Ed and it going on for the second time really is taking the wind out of my sails. Not to mention that there's just nothing to look forward to unless you like avatar skins, which I got my fill of after a month of the game being out. There's so much that's cool about the game but the post-launch support of the game has been a giant sour note that's becoming worse now that we're waiting for months for content for the second year in a row. I'm hoping that someone like Sakura highlights Season 3 and they do something about this DLC schedule because I'm feeling like my interest has been waning on a game that had a great launch but has let me down post release quite a bit. Part of it is missing my characters but the other part is just seeing all of the content just being around crossovers that involve avatars, and it's just such a let down and has made me like the game way less.
But to be more positive Granblue is actually my favorite fighting game right now from both gameplay and the content. So many really fun DLC characters, a battle pass that gives you music, colors, currency to buy characters, and also a really well done premium outfit at the end. I really wish more people were playing it because it's so much fun and is getting better with each update, even if a couple of characters are a little overtuned right now.
Yeah I feel like people complain too much on fighting games that it shouldn’t been a problem.
Do people even get together anymore and just play the game outside of online or tournaments? I feel like that's a big thing that's been missing for me personally.
The fighting game community feels like an online only term these days and the actual social aspect of the community only exists online. And that sucks.
When SF4 came out, there was a small community out where I live that got together and just had fun hanging out and playing and talking about the game. Those were some of the best times of my life. But it's gone now and I'm not sure it'll ever come back.
I heard online that the main meet in NYC was down to about 20 people.
@@adriandenton6637 It's a shame. Getting together to play was the best part.
Used to watch fighting game tournaments all the time don't think I watched any this year
Just waiting for the new Dead or Alive entry. And hope it will be better than the rest.
guys it'll be alright, fatal fury city of the wolves is comin out next year.
That's why I fell off of Dbfz. I hated having to relearn new combos every time they made a change
Not dealing with cheaters is the most frustrating.
Deal with them already, or remove in the case of Tekken the reporting system if you are not going to do anything about it.
Esports stuff aside and after trying the VF 5 Revo beta, all I want is just a raw brawl, personally all these meters and mechanics just are annoying, too much shit going on and at times even unfair.
My issue with street fighter 6 is throw loops and no real champion costumes and only avatar costumes no one uses and drive being a little busted still and parry needs to be nerfed to were it can be swept or something aswell and Drive impact needs to only block 1 or 2 hits and thats it...
Tekken 8 issue is the heat system is way to spammy and plus on everything and rage arts being immune to everything and 75% damage reduction and it freezes the game so u cant punish until u block it. Also almost everything tracking and being plus on everything is annoying no real punish possibilitys in tekken mind you tekken 8 is my first real tekken. And armor needs to only block like 2 hits not block EVERYTHING except grabs and i think sweeps. We really need more defensive stuff in fighting games... like a strive burst.
7:37 I really hope that VF6 doesn't go down this route and add a comeback mechanic like Tekken Rage or easy bake universal tool like Heat Burst.
it was refresh slugging it out in the R.E.V.O Beta.
ppl just dont want to get run over anymore
MK11 would have been sooooooo dope but they made it a stupid 2v2 instead. The real problem is that to be good you have to play hyper aggressive in all of them.
Fighting games needs to be easier for the majority of people
SF6 feels claustrophobic and boring to play, MK1 is ass, Tekken 8 is just 24/7 gorilla mode. If the new Fatal Fury game ends up being ass, I just sell everything I have related to fighting games. I just miss playing characters like Urien from 3s and Vatista from UNI2 for example.
People talk like this is the golden era of fighting games. Nah, I think that was the 90s and 2000s.
Honestly i stopped watching SF6 Tournaments because the game is way too boring to watch - those skip neutral mechanics are making the games feel random.
On top of that the games are being dumbed down to try to appeal to more casuals but those players can't even do a simple combo and quit after a day, all those companies are doing right now is killing the hardcore professional scene trying to appeal to people that just play the game for a week or so and quit...
Tournaments feel random, it doesn't feel like the best players win anymore, the tournaments are not hype because its no longer impressive to watch pros play..
Moment 37 is legendary because it was so hard and cool that only legendary players like Daigo can pull it off but now nothing is impressive anymore.
People are here for it though, the most hyped game at last evo was honestly 3rd Strike, i still go back to watch Hayao matches and highlights..
I would say that even SF5 at the end of his life felt deeper and more skilled than SF6 right now..
I hope City of the wolves will bring some of that back and they don't dumb down the game too much !
fighting games dont need constant updates they need no updates games that stand the test of time are super smash bros melee, street fighter 3rd strike and marvel vs capcom 2 no patches but amazingly passionate fan bases for 20+ years. its about game quality simply if the game is good people will play it if you water things down it makes the game more boring for pros and only keeps the casuals interest for 2 weeks tops
Team fight Tactics? We are comparing Apples and Oranges here .That is a f2p model, and those have various shenanigans to stave off the boredom that inevitably comes from the repetitive gameplay.
TFT in particular employs even more shenanigans for eve mouth at the cost of gameplay depth.
Don't reckon you'll get hate for MK1, game situation is just sad
All the people complaining about "lack of content/bad content nobody wants" in SF6 is trapped in their own bubble.
Hop on any populated Battle hub server, especially in Asia and you'll see a bunch of people with fighters pass gear.
Just because you choose to ignore 2/3 of the games content, doesnt mean everyone else is.
They didn't fall off nor are they forgotten