The New Yu-Gi-Oh! Meta Is DOOMED. Infinite Forbidden Set Review! | Heart of the Cast #24

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  • Опубліковано 21 лис 2024

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  • @NJoCaulfield
    @NJoCaulfield 4 місяці тому +114

    Reqiuem or Sequentia needed a Fiend lock. The engine is too flexible without it. The Tenpai level 7 locks you but EVERY Fiendsmith card is unrestricted? That's booty.

    • @sammydray5919
      @sammydray5919 4 місяці тому +17

      Requiem should have a non link monster as material too on top of that hypothetical fiend lock. Its just too stupid of a card

    • @Drowzzzzz
      @Drowzzzzz 4 місяці тому +17

      It’s very evident how strong locks are and Konami actively decides to not put them on the strongest cards: snake eye, fiendsmith, even tear share the ongoing theme on no locks and being meta defining

    • @safeandsound712
      @safeandsound712 4 місяці тому +13

      I haven't heard someone use the phrase "that's booty" since I had a friend in university lol like 6 years ago. Hell yeah man. Perfectly describes current yugioh. Completely ass. Total booty. A diaper fire format.

    • @YgoSilica
      @YgoSilica 4 місяці тому +1

      Zzzzzzzzzzz

    • @otterfire4712
      @otterfire4712 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@@Drowzzzzzunfortunately Tear and Snake are lore archetypes and Konami loves making them fairly generic so that they can be splashed around. Though I think a way they could balance this is to find a way to have some venues be generic but less powerful while combo lines push you into specific archetypes. Kind of like skill trees in an RPG. This allows for a jack of all trades build that have medium bosses or more specialized builds that have stronger bosses.

  • @bobhouses2036
    @bobhouses2036 4 місяці тому +23

    While the fiend Smith cards do help every deck, they do not help every player. They are too expensive for everyone to use
    If they had come out at lower rarities then people wouldny be complaining as much

  • @FakeHeroFang
    @FakeHeroFang 4 місяці тому +17

    I can already see the Dominus posts on the MD Mets subreddit. Screenshot of some random half-complete board state, and the title "Why can't I use S:P?"

  • @SloopYGO
    @SloopYGO 4 місяці тому +30

    even in Master Duel cards sometimes release at 1or 2
    tear and kash released with hits

    • @BrotherHood-xh9sg
      @BrotherHood-xh9sg 4 місяці тому +3

      And it did nothing to stop them from being an absolute menance.

    • @Moman1898
      @Moman1898 4 місяці тому +10

      ​@@BrotherHood-xh9sgKash was not that bad in master duel

    • @RandomGuyCDN
      @RandomGuyCDN 4 місяці тому +3

      If cards need to be printed and then put into the game at not 3 copies then there is a substantial flaw in the card design of the card game

    • @BrotherHood-xh9sg
      @BrotherHood-xh9sg 3 місяці тому

      @@Moman1898 it was less bad in Masterduel, but still an issue of poor balance.
      Again, saying a sea is not a large body of water because the ocean is bigger, is not a valid argument.

    • @Moman1898
      @Moman1898 3 місяці тому

      @@BrotherHood-xh9sg Kashtira was not overly dominant at any point in master duel. At best tier 1 but just barely. Are you saying it's bad for a deck to be tier 1? Saying it was "an absolute menace" implies it had an unusual level of dominance in the game. That applies to tear, not to kash

  • @Ragnarok540
    @Ragnarok540 4 місяці тому +8

    $100 for a Fiendsmith Engraver is just insane. I will never pay more than 30 UR crafting points for a Yu-Gi-Oh card.

  • @safeandsound712
    @safeandsound712 4 місяці тому +22

    I wish they gave fiendsmith the same treatment as superheavy samurai got tbh. Release it as something you can murder and nobody will mind lol

    • @MiguelMartinon
      @MiguelMartinon 4 місяці тому +2

      So, everything common

    • @safeandsound712
      @safeandsound712 4 місяці тому +3

      @MiguelMartinon if that's what it takes Lol. Engraver could be super or ultra if the majority is mostly cheap.

    • @cod3n4m36
      @cod3n4m36 4 місяці тому +3

      The new Superheavies were cheap, but every Soulpiercer and Soulpeacemaker was 20 bucks.

    • @safeandsound712
      @safeandsound712 4 місяці тому +1

      @cod3n4m36 idk what would be appropriate prices or rarities but I wish they didn't set up to be so hard to hit fiendsmith without it being a big problem. They planned the samurai crap ahead of time knowing it wouldn't be very fun for most players. I think most people are already tired of this format. I think this engine deserves the same treatment. Just an opinion but they set a precident for killing a new deck with SHS, and if they're gonna do it at all they should do it when I want them to lol. Or we want them to.

  • @MiyaoMeow588
    @MiyaoMeow588 4 місяці тому +47

    it bums me out that not only was melodious a good deck last format, you could probably make an easy argument that it was like, top 3.
    but since it's a deck that can't really play with fiendsmith that well like snake-eyes or yubel can, and it also didn't get anything in INFO like Tenpai, it gets shunted out of the meta entirely. now it's rogue at best, maybe tier 3 on a good day
    ah well. it was fun while it lasted

    • @rajdek9144
      @rajdek9144 4 місяці тому +4

      have you heard of voiceless voice ;--D

    • @shawnjavery
      @shawnjavery 4 місяці тому

      It saw play but a lot of the early success just came from people not knowing how to interact with the deck properly. Once people started to figure out how to beat it, and cards like droplet, book of eclipse and drnm gained popularity, the deck just largely fell out of the format.

    • @joseruizdiaz9622
      @joseruizdiaz9622 4 місяці тому +2

      Lmao yeah.
      I feel it was yesterday that people online were "OMG MELODIUS IS BROKEN OP WTF IS OSTINATO", but now it's like "it exists, I guess".

    • @SvenRohleff
      @SvenRohleff 4 місяці тому

      Ummm Tenpai got Genroku at least xD but yeah coming format will be rough

    • @ducky36F
      @ducky36F 4 місяці тому +1

      Fiendsmith be like: “you will be assimilated or you will die”

  • @MRawesome202
    @MRawesome202 4 місяці тому +9

    Because of the new fusion in the set, you can litterally just play 1 engraver in the main and still do full combo with 2 bodies

    • @ichigothespark7625
      @ichigothespark7625 4 місяці тому +1

      THIS COMMENT RIGHT HERE ! This is so true, in some decks, you can only play 1 engraver in the main and still do full combo with 2 bodies in some decks that are easy to get two bodies on the field with (memento, spright, ...)I mean...fiendsmith is so OP that even in low ratio it can still work

  • @michaelfilipowski1986
    @michaelfilipowski1986 4 місяці тому +4

    Adventure Eldlich Fiendsmith Horus low key sounds fun

  • @s4ds4d
    @s4ds4d 4 місяці тому +9

    Engraver could be put to 1 today and it would be ethical imo

  • @turtle-bot3049
    @turtle-bot3049 4 місяці тому +2

    Fiendsmith to me seems like a modern version of the invoked engine.
    5-6 main deck cards, a bunch of extra deck cards and needs another engine to supplement it while also supplementing the other engine.

  • @matthewpyle3913
    @matthewpyle3913 4 місяці тому +3

    More and more I think to fix the game more cards need once per duel effects. But also I think it’d be unique for a format to just make all cards limited to one.

  • @Camelotsmoon
    @Camelotsmoon 4 місяці тому +1

    19:44 like me, the lightsworn enjoyer when curious was banned 😭

  • @nicoofthenight8403
    @nicoofthenight8403 4 місяці тому +10

    Yubel has torn Duel Links apart
    TWICE
    Now she's doing the same to TCG

    • @sammydray5919
      @sammydray5919 3 місяці тому +1

      Funnily enough you can say the same thing about Fire Kings as well I think

  • @zerochill4096
    @zerochill4096 4 місяці тому +31

    The funniest thing about Fiendsmith is that it's somehow powercrept pure Snake-Eye in the sense that if you aren't running Fiendsmith, you're playing an objectively worse variant. How did we reach the point where a Deck thay was considered Tier 0 suddenly becomes the inferior variant because a new engine releases that outclassed the consistency options of that Deck?

    • @zell245
      @zell245 4 місяці тому +4

      But you’re not taking out snake eyes cards for Fiendsmith so your entire post doesn’t make sense. Did Ishizu cards powercreep Tearlaments cards as well?

    • @zerochill4096
      @zerochill4096 4 місяці тому +8

      @@zell245 In a way? Ishizu Tearlaments powercrept other variants by being the definitive way to play the Deck. Prior to that, Tear was strong but there really wasn't a definitive way set to play the Deck. In this case, pure was the definitive best way of playing Snake-Eye up until INFO. That's probably the big difference as what was originally considered the definitive way to play the Deck quickly became outdated when with Tear, nobody knew what was the definitive way to play it before Ishizu

    • @Fr3d0-1
      @Fr3d0-1 4 місяці тому

      Fiendsmith is just another engine added to SE . Both engines alone in power the snake eyes engine is better. Fiendsmith just makes sure you full combo though handtrapS

    • @ducky36F
      @ducky36F 4 місяці тому

      @@zell245Tearlaments weren’t already tier 0 without Ishizu there was plenty of decks you could play. POE/dwbl were great formats pre-mavens.

    • @ducky36F
      @ducky36F 4 місяці тому +4

      Konami found the infinite money hack. Just keep boosting already expensive tier 0 deck and people while keep buying the new expensive cards 😂

  • @shinykrishna8169
    @shinykrishna8169 4 місяці тому +1

    Drytron my favorite deck of all time and i was happy it received support however the new trap is useless and i feel like the major restriction on NU2 was necessary but it also kinda makes the deck worse in a way. Would have been better if it locks you for the rest of the turn and not the turn.

  • @christophertomes6777
    @christophertomes6777 4 місяці тому +1

    Regarding the last convo, I think a duel links style banlist could be an interesting take w/o having to reboot the whole game. All these strong non engine cards could be limited and you have to pick between the best engines or the best non engine. Idk if limit 3 would be enough or if a limit 6 would make sense for the larger deck size vs DL but ide love to see some Yugioh we tournaments held with this in mind as a p.o.c.

    • @sammydray5919
      @sammydray5919 4 місяці тому +2

      Honestly I think Yugioh should take a page out of Vanguard's book and start experimenting with Choice Restrictions. Could be worth looking into imo

  • @Mt.Berry-o7
    @Mt.Berry-o7 4 місяці тому +3

    Ladies and gentlemen, it's been an honour complaining and doomposting alongside all of you.

  • @Rhakimdar
    @Rhakimdar 3 місяці тому

    Personally I'd like to see more kinds of deck manipulation rather than pure rotas. More excavate and add effects and such like that that add some consistency but also encourages players to learn alternate combo lines based on what they were able to find and such

  • @Hart_traH
    @Hart_traH 4 місяці тому +3

    You cannot ban ash if you add mulcharmy fuwaross

    • @spicymemes7458
      @spicymemes7458 3 місяці тому

      You absolutely can. Older handtraps will inevitably be phased out to get you to buy the newer ones like the Dominus cards

  • @walaaosman6638
    @walaaosman6638 4 місяці тому

    I like using arias for the fiendsmith to make beatrice lol dump big welcome. Thankfully closed of moon heaven is a light since all of labrynth are dark fiends, maybe the unreleased red labrynth will be light fiend to link with fiendsmith (in big welcome there's another unaccounted for labrynth monster)

  • @TheMax107
    @TheMax107 4 місяці тому +3

    Adding a card similar to maxx c has given me even more of a reason to not play modern formats 😅

  • @esrohm6460
    @esrohm6460 4 місяці тому +1

    so what if we get more piri rais map searchers that search but add some but to it. like what if we make them more generic but don't allow the searched card to be use in combos

  • @deckzonetcg8907
    @deckzonetcg8907 4 місяці тому +1

    Can we talk about if Decks should get really archetype based? Ex: brionac IMO should have required Ice Barrier as material

    • @maxs_420_grow
      @maxs_420_grow 4 місяці тому +1

      I disagree, they already ruined goyo guardian w that

  • @greenhillmario
    @greenhillmario 4 місяці тому +2

    Whoa timely!

  • @luissantana1198
    @luissantana1198 4 місяці тому +1

    can someone help me tagging when they talk about white forest? I can't watch all now Sadge

  • @Rob2512053
    @Rob2512053 4 місяці тому

    A post snake-eye and/or fiendsmith format isn't going to make other decks any better because it'll just be the next cracked deck. We've been going from busted to busted for years now, we haven't really gone down in power. Hearing x deck with the latest support would've been good years ago always feels bad since there are cool archetypes but because they're not the best they get turned into bulk.
    I'd be interested in a world where cards like Ash get banned and replaced with less good cards since yeah it sucks that the rogue decks get hit way harder than the top decks, it's the rich avoiding taxes while the poor are struggling to get by.

  • @DeityofDestiny
    @DeityofDestiny 3 місяці тому

    I'm not gonna complain about the dominus locks, but I will complain about konami giving lab free access to the better dominus trap
    also, I think the modern handtrap overexposure problem really comes down far more to how compact modern engines are than anything to do with the handtraps themselves.though also, on a side note, I really feel like ash and possibly her friends as well should've had the mulcharmy 'can't have cards on your field' restriction applied. I know they're not as game warping as maxx c and the like, but having to play through what modern decks can do and then on top of it all having them be backed up by other handtraps feels really kinda gross, imo
    I mean, that, or they can crater the power ceiling of turn 1 boards. which is probably more realistically possible (outside of the problem of it's konami, I mean)

  • @NinthSettler
    @NinthSettler 3 місяці тому

    yeah i'm not gonna play for a while

  • @PiantaBroker
    @PiantaBroker 4 місяці тому +1

    Decks should stop having strategies that dump cards only for them to be miracle fusion and then not get restricted for it. Remember, Tearlament got hit by limit 1 and ban. Every main deck monster except Reinoheart is limited wtf

  • @pivotchampion
    @pivotchampion 4 місяці тому +1

    The unfortunate thing is that the banlist comes out at a snail's pace when compared to the new set releases, which are constantly escalating the power of decks. I'm not sure if a more frequent banlist is the solution, though, because then we'd never truly have an established format. Things would be changing too drastically and too frequently. But I do enjoy the idea of pre-hitting cards in the TCG after seeing their over-performance in the OCG. Though I doubt Konami would ever really do this as it would harm their card sales. Regretably, capitalism gets in the way of game balancing 😂

    • @Ragnarok540
      @Ragnarok540 4 місяці тому +1

      The small but monthly banlists approach of MD is what makes more sense. Being able to quickly balance the game would make a lot of people complain less.

  • @brockfg
    @brockfg 4 місяці тому +9

    if i dont see an aggressive ban list next month, im going to start selling off my collection

    • @Al-tanin
      @Al-tanin 4 місяці тому +1

      If you do, you are just going to buy it back anyway

    • @brockfg
      @brockfg 4 місяці тому +4

      @Al-tanin i play one piece and like it better generally, so i think you are wrong. I also dont have any close friends invested in the game. Konami doesnt respect your purchases as much as WoTC or even bandai

    • @Al-tanin
      @Al-tanin 4 місяці тому +1

      @@brockfg well if i am wrong good for you, but arent you keeping the collection for yourself because you like It? Is It all meta? If not, i would keep It.
      It wasn't a confrontational message at all

    • @brockfg
      @brockfg 4 місяці тому +3

      @Al-tanin sorry if i perceived it as more snickering than it was. I have high rarity staples that I have collected over the past few years, as well as some high rarity archetypes. Basically i would sell off everything valuable that doesnt coincide with my favorite deck or two. I dont want to get rid of everything permanently, but I also am tired of watching my card value go down drastically due to the reprint policies and decisions konami makes. I dont expect all of my cards to go up in value, but i have come to the realisation that konami policy disrespects my money more than any other TCG company (in my experience). I always want to have something nice to play but I do not want a collection after being subject to Konamis practices. There wasnt enough time between kashtira and snake-eye and fiendsmith.

    • @Alex-Omega
      @Alex-Omega 4 місяці тому +7

      You better start now. A banlist wont fix this mess, the game is done for. The powercreep simply went too far. Konami purposely killed everything released before Infinite Forbidden

  • @troytheboy1985
    @troytheboy1985 4 місяці тому

    if there was a winged beast roat id just use it to get me sudri

  • @daltonharper4911
    @daltonharper4911 3 місяці тому

    Rip ronintoadin in mermails

  • @mmmsheehoo
    @mmmsheehoo 4 місяці тому +2

    They should reverse the effect of Beatrice where if its summoned with a BA Xyz, you get to use its eff this turn and if its summoned without a BA Xyz, it cant activate this turn

  • @DecadeMinato
    @DecadeMinato 4 місяці тому +2

    I would disagree, Yubel feel as bad as playing again Snake eyes variant. Just different element.

    • @Ragnarok540
      @Ragnarok540 4 місяці тому +1

      This comment brought to you by someone that didn't read Nightmare Pain.

  • @GunnerDuels
    @GunnerDuels 4 місяці тому +2

    It’s crazy that players are hyped that Konami responded to when they will drop a banlist when they used to do that shit back in the day. “ you will have nothing and love it” - Konami

  • @Fr3d0-1
    @Fr3d0-1 4 місяці тому

    Share that fiendsmith spread sheet lol

  • @zianitori
    @zianitori 4 місяці тому

    it's embarrassing that handtraps/turn 1 interaction arent built into archetypes yet

    • @Ragnarok540
      @Ragnarok540 4 місяці тому +2

      People were not ready for Havnis.

    • @zianitori
      @zianitori 3 місяці тому +1

      @@Ragnarok540 every deck after tear should have looked like tear in that sense

  • @troytheboy1985
    @troytheboy1985 4 місяці тому

    but if close moon is man wont engraver just tank in price

  • @deztacular
    @deztacular 4 місяці тому +3

    Doomercast, gotta love it

  • @jtm94
    @jtm94 4 місяці тому

    No Vaalmonica mention 😢

    • @Ragnarok540
      @Ragnarok540 4 місяці тому

      Not very relevant, sorry.

    • @jtm94
      @jtm94 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Ragnarok540 They went over Paleo, Madolche, Drytron. The deck is 20 times more playable than Mimighoul, sorry

  • @kartenspieler0863
    @kartenspieler0863 4 місяці тому

    Ancient Gear won against Snake eye Fiendsmith.

  • @daniel_556
    @daniel_556 4 місяці тому

    the ammount of adds feels disrespectful

  • @ducky36F
    @ducky36F 4 місяці тому +1

    While I *get it* I actually hate the notion that “card was a secret so we can’t hit it yet”. Stuff that, if a card is busted to hell and back you buy it knowing it’s got a clock on it. They absolutely should not hold back (of course if they can find a way to nerf it properly without killing it entirely by all means but the way fiendsmith functions that don’t seem easy). Got all Nats to play with it and people will be looking to the next format soon after anyways.

  • @happycamperds9917
    @happycamperds9917 4 місяці тому +4

    Hot take: I actually like how splashable fiendsmith is and how it can give consistantcy to so many different decks. The big issues are Snake Eyes and Beatrice.

    • @otterfire4712
      @otterfire4712 4 місяці тому +2

      I hate how rare it is in TCG. Accessibility should be priority number 1 for something impactful like Fiendsmith.

    • @Ragnarok540
      @Ragnarok540 4 місяці тому +2

      It would be fine if it was affordable.

    • @ichigothespark7625
      @ichigothespark7625 4 місяці тому +2

      the problem is not the power of the engine or the card, it's the price ! If something is available to most people then yeah, everybody would get it and then engage in fair games but if only rich and pro players could get the deck...Konami straight up printing money at this point xD

  • @joshdavis6830
    @joshdavis6830 4 місяці тому +8

    Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person in the world enjoying modern Yu-Gi-Oh!. I love Snake-Eyes mirrors, I'm stoked to be moving into a Fiend dominant metagame, I like Fiendsmith cards fine even if Beatrice needs a ban, I'm having fun playing the game when I play it and deckbuilding for the metagame, I love hand traps, I love interactive skill based games, and I'm having the time of my life playing modern Yu-Gi-Oh! Admittedly classic Yu-Gi-Oh! is baller, I played the Edison event on Master Duel and loved it, but would I trade this for that? Never. The only problem with the game I have is floodgates, and even that has been mitigated significantly since I started playing again. I'm not saying "get good". Both of you are better than I am (recent Saga events aside). But I'm amazed how much people who play this game absolutely hate it every day.

    • @dpacula63
      @dpacula63 4 місяці тому +8

      Congrats. You’re rich enough to afford snake eyes fiendsmith and actually get to “enjoy” yugioh.

    • @ShinerCCC
      @ShinerCCC 4 місяці тому +6

      Your skill at this point is winning at the casino and drawing no duplicate cards and enough instant speed interaction for what your opponent happens to be doing. The other decks that need more than 1 card to combo off lose the war of attrition against 2-3 handtraps, rogue struggles to climb over that. You get easy wins smacking around everyone else, until the pinnacle becomes...who drew no duplicates for once per turn cards and their 1 card starter. You're deluded by the endorphin rush of getting lucky and will get to ride it longer so Konami can sell their high rarity cards longer.

    • @heinzmonster
      @heinzmonster 4 місяці тому +4

      ​@@ShinerCCC Please man, you're acting like snake eyes fiendsmith stole your wife

    • @ducky36F
      @ducky36F 4 місяці тому +2

      “Interactive” is the most overused word in modern yugioh. Disruptions are not interaction they are disruptions. I’m sorry your 15 minute one card combo deck that bothers the opponent every time they activate a card and includes 12-18 hand traps is *not* interactive and might as well be an ftk deck. Both players getting to make plays across multiple turns and getting to do what their deck is supposed to, that is interactive gameplay.
      There is a lot of good games possible in modern yugioh and plenty of decks than enable actually interactive gameplay, if we didn’t still enjoy and love the game we wouldn’t care enough to want the garbage gone we’d just move on to other games.

    • @ethanfritch3706
      @ethanfritch3706 3 місяці тому

      It’s just too expensive man. There’s something to be said about winning a mirror match if the deck is skillful and snake eyes definitely is skillful, but it’s too expensive for regular players to even pick up and start acquiring skills.

  • @whydnt
    @whydnt 3 місяці тому

    Wwth is this

  • @MZX4206969
    @MZX4206969 4 місяці тому +1

    Engraver to 1 wouldnt do anything. I run 3 tract and 1 engraver and im happy all day with a fat wallet.

  • @oxiclean4x
    @oxiclean4x 4 місяці тому +3

    Are you guys ever going to change the faces on the thumbnails? It's been the same for every episode since the beginning

    • @Fr3d0-1
      @Fr3d0-1 4 місяці тому +2

      Who cares lol

  • @cuttlefish6839
    @cuttlefish6839 4 місяці тому +1

    Fiendsmith is in the realm of tearlament bad and should be perma banned

  • @RandomGuyCDN
    @RandomGuyCDN 4 місяці тому +3

    No other card game in the modern day prints cards that are limited in any shape or form but farfa dont give a shit about other card games because he constantly scoffs at when people want to look outside his YGO safe bubble. If your designing a card that isnt ment to be at 3 then maybe your card design philosophy is completely flawed and needs to be reworked. Companies should never prints cards and blatantly tell their consumer base how many they get to use as soon as they rip packs. That's just a huge R&D oversight at that point and the company needs to restructure how their designing cards. You guys already complain about product not being desirable to open and having cards coming out restricted to 1 means less people will want to rip packs for it even less than they already do.

  • @dotreant5264
    @dotreant5264 4 місяці тому +1

    every take farfa has is awful.

  • @skw333831
    @skw333831 4 місяці тому +1

    ‪joshuaschmidt acts like he is smart. In reality this guy knows nothing and you know what is worse? he thinks he is right about everything lol

    • @Ragnarok540
      @Ragnarok540 4 місяці тому +1

      I love when people write a insult just in general, and you have to wonder what specific thing made them write it.