SNL is a sad husk of what it used to be. I'd be more likely to cheer for their demise if it wasn't Kenan Thompson's bread and butter. It's really too bad there isn't a another sketch comedy show that his talents wouldn't be wasted in.
What truly gets to me is that all these big media companies don't mind stealing other people's ideas, but absolutely flip their lid if it's ever the other way around.
Big media companies have an army of lawyers to go on offense with every claim. "Content Creators" are lucky to have just one lawyer to protect themselves with.
Tbf the trope of kid going against parents idea of their dream job for the child almost always has the kid wanting to do something that involves dance. I’m not saying it’s not a rip off. But the premise is a common cliche in media, we’ve seen it in Billy Elliot, High School Musical, Footloose, etc.
For real. I think the TIMING of these two videos is extremely important to note, too. His own instance of a coincidentally similar joke came SEVEN YEARS after Aunty Donna's version, while SNL's came very soon after his was released (unsure of the timeline). All things considered, I think it's entirely obvious that the folks at SNL either *blatantly and knowingly stole his joke, or they subconsciously stole it, which is something that happens ALL THE TIME in creative ventures.* Joel just has the absolute class to STILL give them the benefit of the doubt and to say "it's not a big deal to me, *but I also acknowledge it's not a big deal because I'm at a place of success where that is possible." * The class of this guy!
To be fair if this was an intentional rip off by SNL writers, then the fact that there were SO many points where the two sketches could have been different but weren't, suggests that said writer(s) never thought that they would be caught red handed copying someone's work who has over, at the time of that video what, 1.5 million subscribers? Coincidences can and do happen.
@@papa._.burkett3535 Bring it on, I now pronounce you Chuck and Larry, Kinky Boots. If you want to put in some effort on your part instead of expecting me to hold your hand like a child, you can search it on TV Tropes, you’ll find more examples.
I couldn't stop laughing at the point where Joel was essentially just like, "well at the end of the day SNL is small potatoes to me at this point and even if they stole my joke they delivered it in an unfunny way so it's not even like it existing hurts my video either way."
Damn, I didn't get that vibe at all but I can dig it. Would've been cool if he had went into it like, "I don't really think SNL stole my joke. They clearly tried but wasn't able to pull it off, but hey, they try their best over there despite the lack of talent so gotta give it up to them. I'm just lucky to be in this position where I am able to put together jokes that people will recognize as comedy, but I don't wanna hate on anyone at SNL since it must be hard running a comedy show without any comedy. But hey, no hate, I'm just really glad to be here and whatever."
@@2bb-2 you've gotta try harder to troll than that, man. At least strawman his actual statement on the matter; you'll get a much better rise out of people if it's plausible that someone could have actually watched the video and formed their wrong opinion from it.
Well, its to be expected. When I copied my friends homework, I purposely made it a little bit worse so it didn't seem I copied. Same thing with simulation theory.
SNL is notorious for stealing ideas and being unoriginal. There are so many former members who talk about the toxicity of the creative environment there where they are actively encouraged to steal from each other
"I have to recognize that im in a position to not be bothered by it" jesus, very true thing to say. i actually love this, thank you for putting this out there
Joel took a video he knew would be viral (the title, the controversy, the content) and turned it into a billboard for creators he appreciates. What a solid dude.
This dude is the kindest guy ever lol. Has his stuff stolen almost straight up, and just brushes it off and uses the topic to spread the love for other awesome creators out there. Good job man. UA-cam needs more Joel's out there
I love this gut i dont always get his videos but i found his yt channel right at the beggining and i have loved 90% of them literraly to the point my ribs hurt
i personally have always found SNL to be unbelievably cringe, i just can’t sit through live sketches or those things like “kill tony” where they pretend to be having a normal conversation as if there isn’t a crowd sitting around expecting em to be funny😂 i might just be weird though cause ANYTHING in that format bugs me lol just cant bring myself watch shows filmed in front of live studio audiences
Just goes to show what an incredibly wholesome guy Joel Haver is. He lets SNL off the hook and on top of that, he sheds some light on smaller channels trying to grow a big audience.
Joel's attitude towards art and content creation has consistantly been so admirable and genuine. People like him are the true heart of internet culture.
This guy is either genuinely the most wholesome creator out there, or a massive genius using this as a way to both prop up smaller creators while making him look infinitely better in the process rather than calling out mainstream media
Jesus Christ died for our sins, rose from the dead, and gives salvation to everyone who has faith in him. True faith in Jesus will have you bear good fruit and *drastically* change for the better! Those led by the Holy Spirit do not abide in wickedness. *God is ONE manifesting himself as THREE;* the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit! Bless him! *For these three are one.* As I am led by the Holy Spirit, nothing I state is a lie, but the truth of God. Anyone who tells you differently is misinformed or a liar. They do not know God, nor led by him. Anyone who *claims* to be a Christian and is against what I am doing, and where I am doing it; the Holy Spirit does not dwell within them, they lack understanding. They know not God, read his word, and their religion is in vain. Do not hear them, they will mislead you, the lost cannot guide the lost.
You took a situation that reasonably could have bothered any content creator and handled it with such grace, tact, and humility, even using it as an opportunity to give praise and attention to creators trying to reach a level of success you've already achieved. What a gentleman. I started following your channel because I appreciate the effort you put into your content, and you're genuinely hilarious. Every time you take these moments to monologue about creator struggles, you come across as a very thoughtful and grounded person. I am pleased to support your channel. So, thanks Joel.
@@MrWizardGG hes addressing the accusations made by his community against SNL. the stuff that hes definitely not saying hes repeating from his community. Like, he kind of has to adress it. And i think he adressed it in a very mature and reasonable way
I really like how chill you are about it. I'm sure most people would understand if you were freaking out and angry and wanted to sue. But it takes an extremely confident creator to be so calm and happy that someone stole one of their comedy sketches. Props for being the bigger man.
As some one who gets ripped off of IP all the time Im glad he has proof, and youtube algorithm picked it up so its a lot of free advertisement. both ways, for allowing some grandpa show no one watches to steal his IP to try and stay relevant.
He knew this video would go viral so he decided to use a good portion of it plug his friends. Such a nice thing that goes easily overlooked. Thank you for being awesome.
That’s gotta be the BEST way to start a video like this. Just a quick “hey, these things happen. These things happen a lot more often than you’d think, but this… this is too blatant” 😂
This is an insanely mature response, I really appreciate you using it as an opportunity to uplift other creators. I think you definitely have a right to be rubbed the wrong way, but if you’re comfortable with the situation that’s all that matters.
SNL could never duplicate the style of humor that you deliver. Its so unique and leaves me laughing yet feeling slightly empty and I don't know why its so addictive.
SNL's writers are old and writing content for people who still care about cable TV, the kind of people that you have to tell exactly what they're supposed to laugh at. They're crippled by that honestly. Your average viewer under 30 would rather watch higher quality, completely original content from average Joes like them.
Did... Did Joel just look at a big corporate entity stealing his idea and say, "Well, yeah, coincidences happen I guess. But since this video is probably gonna get a lot of attention, here are a bunch of other people who make cool stuff too"? The level of wholesome this man is is incredible and I love all of it T_T
SNL will look into all of those channels I bet! (I'm just joking, not meant to frame this into something negative and yes this was really an awesome way for him to take this and spin it into something useful for smaller channels. Very cool!)
Not a fan of SNL, but if I were in their shoes I would never acknowledge it unless it were literally undeniable. As soon as they acknowledge it they're opening themselves up to lawsuits. I wouldn't be surprised if a writer half-watched his video and remembered the concept, but not that it came from a video. Personally I think that's probably what happened since SNL has more than enough of a talent pool to write their own material. Major props to Joel for giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Successful people usually just let this happen and keep making good stuff. “They stole it? Oh well, on to my next project”. Glad you have that attitude
@@alanstringer. sweet, thats the only thing i can hope to be. because id rather be a nobody with taste than some normie that cant think for its self. and i call u It because the only single unit of thought u can muster up tht is diffrent is weather to put ketchup or mustard on your crappy opinion and call urself a human.
Joel has displayed a new level of UA-cam enlightenment: 1. clickbait title 2. but it's true 3. and he's super thoughtful about it and 4. actually it's all just to push underrated creators ❤
In an SNL Drama/Theft video - you go out of your way to not just brush it off, but you plug a bunch of great channels and share a bunch of new stuff to us. You're on a whole other level of being a great dude. You're amazing.
Joel takes the imitation = flattery route, and then promotes other folks. I appreciate the way you interact with the world, and the way you look at things from different perspectives. Thank you for being encouraging, inspirational, and kind. You're awesome!
I have never heard of you before, I saw the video and thought it was gonna be someone dunking on SNL (I'm immature like that), but hot damn do I now have the upmost respect for you. Being transparent with your own experience of accidentally using an idea that's been done, giving SNL the benefit of the doubt, and then giving free shout outs to talented content creators, all for the sake of spreading positivity. Class-freaking-act man. I applaud you.
He basically gave away the way he does his animation style for free. He's an amazing, wholesome, brilliant, funny dude. I love his animation work, especially, but it's all fantastic
@@thebluerodriguez4085 I mean, dunking on anyone over the internet is immature when you think about it, considering all the things I could be doing with my time. Yet here I sit, typing out this comment…… fuck I gotta go outside or something
@@MrWizardGG it was an opportunity to bring other creators to people’s attention. I can’t believe you’re pillaging this comment section trying SOMEHOW to find immaturity in this response lmao
@@kait711 I don't even know what pillaging a comment section means but he doesn't need a specific event to promote his friends or favorite creators, so that excuse doesn't land with me
@@MrWizardGG If you watched the whole video he pretty explictly says his reasons for making this video. The situation got a lot of attention and instead of using it as an excuse to be angry or rile up his viewers he wanted to use that attention for something positive and promote stuff he does care about. He can't control the attention, but he can influence where that attention is directed. It's also the best way to address the situation and put the issue to bed. Now we know his stance on the issue, so we can respect it and not go on some crusade in his name.
This dude is so classy. Gave away a new animation technique so others could create and now turns what could have been a good dig at the mainstream into a shout out for the little guys. Joel you are nothing short of inspirational, keep it up you diamond.
Love the attitude you have towards this man. My dad is literally a person who believes that Eminem stole my dads style in the 90s, that Game of Thrones ripped off his DnD campaign and book idea, and all sorts of fucking nonsense. I used to tell him that "They say 1000 people have an idea, 100 people start working on the idea and 1 or 2 people complete the idea." But hes a lost fucking cause. I genuinely believe SNL blatantly ripped you off though but your attitude towards this is really commendable. Love your vids man, i binged all your videos when i was in treatment last year and dont know why i didnt sub but i fixed that now. Keep on keepin on brotha
@@2bb-2 You seem to be so lost in the legal state of the Charmin Bears that you missed the fact that they copied this UA-cam creator's skit and delivered it in an unfunny way sans any kind of credit whatsoever. That's alright, you'll get em' next time champ. Just look a little harder for nuances or even distinct, logical differences. Or maybe just be a little more intellectually honest? You'll figure it out, I believe in you.
How you turned this into a sweet genuine gesture to smaller channels is awesome. I think your whole attitude is great, you're just accepting it and I think a lot of artists would have trouble doing that. Proud of you
Ye it's super rare these days. Infact I'm not sure I have EVER seen any creator react with such humility but at the same time confidence to just carry without any bluster.
Nice as it is, I think SNL still should be doing something like this for Joel. Or at least recognize that 90+% of their sketch was plagiarized and give credit where it's due. Because let's face it, if Joel weren't so nice, and he wanted to sue, I'm pretty sure he'd win. SNL needs to acknowledge Joel and apologize or at least recognize his work publicly, regardless of whether they intentionally stole it or not.
Wow, humble, forgiving, promotes his friends. How wholesome can one guy be? This is the inspiration we need. The world needs more Joels, there can never be enough!
@@mr.brenman2132 Well for starters thats nothing to do with copyright issues! Which this case is and even copying a non protected work is not breach of copyright! Also they might actually have legal ownership of the video under a lic agreement with YT! Plagiarism is not illegal!
@@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307 Who tf is talking about legality? What, are you just looking for an argument? It's a violation of honor and a code of ethics.
He defends copywirte bc he has copywrited. So moreso defending himself in a weak position in the way the wi t cause backlash from his idea taking again and again g
@@DavidVandemark idk seems pretty hack and lame to me. As a e.g if he had his wife murdered by SNL. But he had murdered the wife of Aunty Donna and came out with a statement that 'hey murdering ain't so bad it happens meh my wife may have been murdered but hey who can blame them, let me change the topic also to fill out this statement with random shout outs' Like I guess kudos for not being a hypocrite but also thats more to save personal face and being called out for the same 'crime' then any diplomatic statement Other obvious senerio 'Hey snl murdered my wife let's which just them!!!' Crowd: hey didn't you murdered the wife of Aunty Donna, let's which just you too"
It's not exactly a secret that the SNL writer's room is a den of thieves. They steal from each other all the time, this won't be the first or last thing they steal from actually talented creators outside of their own bubble.
they've stolen a handful of bits from Cumtown in recent years not only stealing the premise but literally repeating the same lines verbatim in some cases woke sopranos was the big one they ripped
@@diamondnova7598 there are a lot of interviews with ex writers and cast members. Apparently the whole job is incredibly cutthroat and full of backstabbing since everyone wants to get their skits produced. It's not the fun collaborative project they make it seem, it's more like a constant fight for the spotlight.
Broooo, the Alex shoutout!! He's from my home town, good friend of mine, played some shows together in a band a few times, did some recordings for a different project of his, I love that man. Single handedly one of the funniest and greatest human you will ever meet.
You're a class act, Joel. Not everyone has the self awareness to realize that as lame as this sort of thing is it doesn't steal from how well you've been doing, and even less people would pivot that to point to others who create as emphatically as you or the SNL cast does even if it doesn't get such high views. That said I'll be sure to do more than pat your back. I'll do as you suggest to support the community by watching a film noire about doodoo pants.
Lol you are haven't created anything of value in your Life so you have no actually understanding of being robbed. Someone taking credit and profit off your Life that spent doing said things is just ok? That's mental slavery. Kanye had that right.
@@Therealbigmonster They've been going downhill for years, I guess that's what happens when you push out all the actually funny people and only leave the low effort high ego personalities
This is the healthiest and most empathetic response to something like this. Good for you, Joel. This humble attitude will open many, many doors for you.
Imagine being so confident in your content that you’re mature enough to take an opportunity like this to bring other creators into the light. Like, absolute mad respect. I know I wouldn’t be able to do something like that in your position.
Yeah despite his good message, I'm still pretty sure SNL stole that shit hahaha. Good response on Joel's part though. He def should have still called them out (though he likely never would have been able to prove it in the first place, I guess).
shows how dope Joel is. he knew this videos title would bring a lot of people in and used most of the video to shout out other channels. truly a stand up guy
I frickin' love you. You've taken a situation where many lesser individuals would have undoubtedly reacted either aggressively or negatively, and you've turned it into a positive like no one else could. You took 'being the bigger man' to a whole new level, promoting some excellent other channels. If more people were like you, the world would be a much better place.
I thought of this joke well before this "Joel" skid did. This isn't something that's super original. Just some random person who decided to film it. In fact, we should be ashamed of this Nobody for being so reductive. And don't try to argue or disagree with me. Because you yourself said to not be aggressive or negative. I'd hate to call you a hypocrite
I dunno, I think he should hold them to task (if he can) its a matter of principle, they have not payed him, just stolen his Idea repackaged they will make Millions of ad revenue from that, and if he does not challenge it, he runs the risk of them challenging him and trying to pretend they own the IP. This kind of stuff happens all the time. Also not contesting this in a certain amount of time actually says legally "i dont own this", thats part of copyright law, you have to make efforts to enforce it to take it too court and win, or not lose if they try to screw him later down the line. Because equally if they did that he could legally end up being ruled as not the owner of the IP. I agree his attitude is really good from an emotional and human POV, but from a legal POV he should look into it for his and the sake of others like him, if possible
This is probably the best response anyone has ever made to a video. Not only was Joel so humble with himself, he also brought to light smaller underrated channels.
joel is a truly good hearted dude. for real. he could have easily made the video that everyone was expecting trashing SNL, but instead he chose to do the opposite. massive props joel, we see you and we appreciate you being a source of light and decency in an age where both are desperately needed
This vid made me realize of how I almost fell into that exact trap! There’s a bunch of discourse online around artists vs. AI, and even though I strongly believe the issue is more of the people using the AI rather than the AI itself, and believe it can be used in a way to help artists and not replace them (as if that would happen anyway) I still was getting pretty heated and wound up making a bunch of comment threads and the like, and all it did was make me more stressed! This video made me realize that I need to stop doing all of that to the degree I’ve been doing it, and instead, acknowledge the negative stuff, try to look for positives, and more importantly, redirect my attention from complaining (because that’s basically what I was doing, and I’m not proud of it.) to doing more positive things like promoting my artist/animator/creator friends! Plus, I should really focus on getting some stuff done myself, because I got a few projects and stuff I need to get done in my personal life! Spending all my time on ranting about something isn’t going to change anything! If I want to show the positive sides of AI art in a way that doesn’t harm other artists, I should just try out the websites themselves! If I don’t wanna bother with it, just leave it alone! This video really helped me see I need to refocus my attention on more important things at this moment right now! This is actually my first video I’ve seen of Joel, and I couldn’t have asked for a better introduction! Thank you Joel!💖💖💖
Imagine being the kind of stand up guy that has his work stolen and your response is to turn around and hype up other content creators. A truly kind and benevolent response. The world needs more of this.
Jesus! What absolute Class and Humility you have Joel. Good for you taking the high road, even allot of bigger creators would have been angry and I'd honestly say rightfully so, I wouldn't be disappointed if you were a little frustrated (obviously not to the point of making an ass of oneself), but this is just heartwarming to see. Keep it up! we need more role models on UA-cam and I'm happy to say you're one of them.
@@2bb-2 TL:DR; - you're too cynical to watch the video and i'm the bot? - you're "truth" is wrong because you clearly didn't watch. -Please seek help for you pessimism. Now for the "I'm intelligent and Intellectually honest enough to read counter arguments"; If you're this cynical about joel or any other creator maybe you should just leave. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me and even less so creators I like but it sounds like you're too stubborn to hear out counter arguments to the point where you had to invalidate me and validate yourself before even presenting your argument. if you're so unwilling to watch the video (because it definitely is something other than what you described) unwilling to actually find the truth before calling your own opinion truth, then there's no point you being here or speaking (typing in this context)...who's the bot here? you didn't even watch the video. The only thing I see as even slightly controversial is the use of a clickbait title but then he used the clickbait to support his friends and growing creators after explaining that he's actually not as mad as some of his viewers expected, the first half of the video is him saying he doesn't care. Get off the whiskey and leave cynicism to people with something to actually say.
@@2bb-2 yup, didn't even watch. please sit down and shut up. Stupid people are entitled to their opinions but the missteps in your upbringing is that somebody convinced you that your opinion has value.
Joel, I don't make videos like you, I'm a producer, but your attitude as a creative has always amazes me. You're forgiving, you're creative, you're genuine, and you're humble. One of my favorite creators for sure and I think you represent art incredibly. It's a shame that larger businesses have to pedal ideas off of smaller creators. Your ingenuity and personality are gonna take you very far. Thank you for entertaining so many of us and thank you for always being you.
You are genuinely one of my favorite creators mainly because of how real you are. You’re never afraid to make a video like this just talking to your viewers. Very rare and very appreciated.
How does that make them real though? If someone who didn't like talking like this forced them selvesto do so regardless, would that still be "real?" Just because they're being open? I don't quite understand why him talking about how he feels about the situation makes him more "real." Talking about ones feelings in a video, personal or not, isn't rare on UA-cam or even the internet at all... Is it because he was so chill, and didn't get upset? Or, is it more because he's saying things you agree with, or in a way you too view the world? I should point out I don't like or hate this creator, they're whatever to me, I'm just genuinely confused by all the statements saying this exact she thing, calling it rare.
@@aliciafraser1835 I think his reaction subverts expectation. His reaction is productive and useful and how people would like reality to be so they call it "real" Joe makes conversation videos sometimes talking about how much the people in his life mean to him, etc.
@@aliciafraser1835 he brings in information from past projects that line up with what he’s saying making it feel like he’s genuinely there and active with his work. Also he says it in such a great way, like he’s not upset but just pointed out the similarities. People are so quick to jump into drama usually.
Joel, it is refreshing to see such a very professional content creator address this matter in the way you did in this video. Also, thank you very much for mentioning these other content creators so that your fans can check out other talent and support these other filmmakers!
What a stand up dude. Used half the video just to promote some other channels and friends whose stuff he likes. I didn’t even know who you were before this popped up somehow but I’m subbed now. Always appreciate someone spreading positivity when it’s not necessarily the first thing that most people would think to do.
I Second the motion! Never heard of this person, but the humility and seemingly genuine attitude is so refreshing and wholesome. Subbing for this reason, whether I end up liking the content or not. If more creators on these platforms had this mentality and attitude, the world would be a better place.
Lol when saving face to not get called out for stealing content himself.... Then changing the subject to pad out the video length for the algo for the views generated by mentioning SNL. Lol
You're the best Joel. Love how you approached a situation like this - taking the focus away from a too-huge mainstream staple of entertainment, versus an independent creator in yourself, and taking that opportunity to shift the focus toward great independent creators who really deserve the spotlight. Really respect that a lot. 💛
@@Russ0107 Because ultimately this is his situation to deal with and that might have been the most comfortable way for him. Throwing out accusations toward a big company like SNL can feel really daunting, even if you're confident you're in the right, so this is a more diplomatic way to approach it. Feels more sensible than spineless
never heard of you, clicked for the drama, ended up being really impressed by the grace, humility and selflessness w/ which you handled this situation. actually inspiring reaction, I don't think I would've thought to do the same in your position and probably would've been really tempted to really assume the worst/
They pretty clearly just stole that from you, but you highlighting the other channels and being mature about it is welcomed. Hopefully some other creators pick this up and more people come to view your work and the work of those mentioned in this video because of this incident.
Joel is definitely up there when it comes to nicest UA-camrs. He could've turned this into REAL drama, and made a bunch of money through revenue. Instead he acknowledged it, gave his feelings and used the people who came to this video expecting drama to holster up his friends. Genius level generosity.
@@MrWizardGG I don't see why it doesn't belong. He addressed the main topic and instead of spending the whole video, bashing on SNL for their complete lack of originality, he spends most the time lifting up other small ORIGINAL filmmakers of UA-cam.
@@ComedyBros5 I mean I know. I don't know why you're saying that like it's a good thing. He can literally promote other people's videos any time he wants, you're just making him sound worse like hes ONLY doing it so that he can complain about SNL in the first half.
Joel you are such an emotionally mature person and a truly great human being. The fact you could look at these things so objectively and then bring light to other creator's content is truly amazing. I have so much respect for you already and this just made me have even more for you. Keep doing what you're doing, you're an inspiration to us and I will definitely check out these other creator's you brought light too!
I thought Joel was a class act when he did a tutorial for how he animates, saying he just wants everyone to have tools. Now, he gets his content jacked, and he takes it as an opportunity to absolve the likely thieves and then promote smaller creators. Joel seems like a great guy!
i kinda thought joel did that explanation of how he animates, because he wanted people to use it themselves. he should feel good about the fact that others are copying his style. he literally created a whole new genre of animation. you could call it "Joel Haver Style"
@@RSFArocks holy crap dude, did i say that? no, i did not say that he was complaining ablut small YT people imitating his style. I said that i got the impression that he did that video because he "wanted" people to imitate his style. I dunno where you got the idea that i was attacking anyone.
i was tslking about Joel's video where he explained how he animates. i thought he did that so people could see how he does it and imitate it. i watched this entire video in its entirety and i think Joel made the right decision here to react the way he did to the snl sketch. the stole his "concept", but they wrote all new dialogue that was different from Joel's video and the inside of the house looks totally different and the dance the bears did at the end of the snl sketch was more "stolen" from the tv commercials than from Joel. the except for the concept of the one bear wanting to dance instead of college and the dad's disapproval, the SNL sketch bore more resemblance to the tv commercials than joels video. and in the snl sketh, the dad eventually relented and gave his approval, which didn't happen in joel's video
@@Femaiden I don’t believe the video would be made if Joel didn’t make his so at the end of the day someone took his idea without even giving him credit in the description
As a fellow artist who has been in the entertainment business for 35 years I give you the biggest applause for being humble as well as understanding all the ins and outs of being a creative in this business. You are by far one of my favorite creators on UA-cam, not only are you a fantastic actor, but you're writing and everything else you do is exemplary. I've been trying to share you with fellow actors and people in the field and I'm continuing to follow your journey and expect to see great things from you! Thank you for sharing your art with us. As well as your truth.
This is so gracious of you. It's great to see you supporting new up-and-comers like "Saturday Night Live". I'm excited to witness their new foray into the comedy genre.
As much as I respect you basically letting SNL off the hook, you really should hold them more accountable. Corporations tend to steal ideas like this all the time and give no credit, and it’s practically criminal.
As much as I hate these things happening, it’s unfortunately not possible for many small creators to sue and confront corporation about these things. Many big corporations have large legal teams, and they will find every excuse to not take accountability. Even if they directly ripped off a piece of art, a script, or design.
He promoted channels that are funnier than SNL, so in the long run he is hitting SNL in the wallet if only a little bit. Otherwise he has to pay out of pocket for lawyers, take a bunch of his own time, and potentially lose, which would encourage SNL to steal even more ideas without penalty. This video may not be a big hit, but its a guaranteed hit at no cost to himself, in fact his response will probably earn him more money directly with views, and also earning many more subscribers in the long run, which could end up being more valuable than what he may have won in court.
@@cosseybomb lol which part? The part where a couple people stop watching SNL because of this or finding funnier content, or the part where this channel benefits from taking the high road, the idea that he may lose in court?
Joel, this is the first video of yours that I have ever seen. You have done something monumental. Your reaction to allegations of theft is the most compassionate and selfless decision I have ever seen from an online content creator. Thank you for doing this.
It's disguising how moved I was by how well you handled this situation. When you started introducing smaller creators in the middle of what is probably your highest (so far) profile moment, I got chills and teared up. Bravo.
I also teared up, I was absolutely moved by his words, I am in tears at the moment. Just in awe of this eye opening, inspiring video, it was just amazing how he handled it, I was so moved I got a t shirt with his face on it, and put a life sized painting of him in my room, I’m just so inspired, and moved, it’s crazy! good day
@@AnonymoStranger i agree bro. seeing compassion and deference at a point where a person could totally further their career and be self-focused, is a moving thing. i can see why somebody would get emotional about that.
This is probably the classiest video I've ever watched. And all your recommendations seem really cool, so I'm checking them out now. Thanks for being an example of the kind of person I want to be.
you are actually such a great role model, not just as a content creator, but as a person. whoever taught you the values that you have today should be very proud of you, bro. hope you receive all the love you deserve for being you.
Since I started watching your stuff I've thought you were super funny, but seeing this is a really nice sign to see that you're also a really humble and kind person. Great stuff!
Joel, I just have to say this. I 've been following your channel for at least three years and I'm never gonna get tired of the things you create nor of you for that matter. I'm happy to see your achievements and what you're becoming as a person, I'm just proud of you and I'll always be here to support you because what you do isn't only art, but it's a source of inspiration for those who want to create but are just too scared or insecure to do it. Thank you very much for what you've given us and I wish you more of the best. Love ya.
@@the_funny_man I can’t tell which guy you’re talking about but the hearted guys comments are all complimenting Joel and the person butthurt they didn’t get a heart had written a love note of his own, both are hilarious edit- word
You might be one of the humblest creators I've ever seen. You sir are a shining example, not just to other creators, but everyone. The world would be a better place with more people trying help others and assuming the best of everyone else. You're a legend my guy.
It's all an act. Joel Haver is a character, a persona he puts in front of the camera. If you really knew the Joel Smillivic-Havesuc like I do, from years of school, college, dating and being a role model too, mentor for, lover of and sub-dom with; at orgies and alone, the you'd think differently about his comment. Of course, I still worship the ground he walks on and even though his mum and I have broke-up, I still consider him a son, of sorts. Oh and he's dating my twins, so I get a say about it still.
@@computeraidedyamianime profile picture and multiple comments on the same video about disliking the channels creator, go do something productive & fun with your time buddy
It's stuff like this that makes me feel like Joel really deserves all the love we throw his way. It's not just the amazing content that he's been churning out for years, he's just such an incredibly wholesome individual and I can't help but smile when I hear him speak.
A well balanced and professional way to view this. I both feel for ya and appreciate someone behaving like a normal adult these days. Best to you and your channel!
This was one of the absolute harshest clap backs I’ve ever viewed on UA-cam. If I were the writer that stole from you, after I finished crying, I’d move to the woods and live with the squirrels. “I hope you have a nice day. Bye bye” Brutal. Absolutely brutal.
To be fair SNL did add their own creative liberties
Like making the video unfunny
Yep! 😂 I told my wife, “oh, so after having months to prepare, the best they can do is taking something pretty funny and make it completely unfunny.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! That is accurate. When I saw it I thought it was awful.
SNL is a sad husk of what it used to be. I'd be more likely to cheer for their demise if it wasn't Kenan Thompson's bread and butter. It's really too bad there isn't a another sketch comedy show that his talents wouldn't be wasted in.
@@TheWebbliest_Official John hit the nail on the head
Lmao you literally stole this joke/comment from the SNL video’s comments, how ironic
What truly gets to me is that all these big media companies don't mind stealing other people's ideas, but absolutely flip their lid if it's ever the other way around.
In a word, money.
Heck, even when they're credited and it's done in fair use, they still flip out
Copyright doesn’t matter to multi million dollar companies until it affects them.
Big media companies have an army of lawyers to go on offense with every claim. "Content Creators" are lucky to have just one lawyer to protect themselves with.
Yup lawsuits out the ass but when they do it its fair game…
It’s okay Joel sometimes we just gotta let the small creators like SNL believe in themselves
Nice one. 🤣
yeah, seriously. MY channel grows more than SNL.
They'll make it some day, or you know, not
@@silverblue73 Hopefully not
SNL trying hard to stay relevant.
They couldn't even have him say "mom Dad, i wanna be a journalist" they had to do everything exactly the same
Tbf the trope of kid going against parents idea of their dream job for the child almost always has the kid wanting to do something that involves dance. I’m not saying it’s not a rip off. But the premise is a common cliche in media, we’ve seen it in Billy Elliot, High School Musical, Footloose, etc.
For real. I think the TIMING of these two videos is extremely important to note, too. His own instance of a coincidentally similar joke came SEVEN YEARS after Aunty Donna's version, while SNL's came very soon after his was released (unsure of the timeline). All things considered, I think it's entirely obvious that the folks at SNL either *blatantly and knowingly stole his joke, or they subconsciously stole it, which is something that happens ALL THE TIME in creative ventures.*
Joel just has the absolute class to STILL give them the benefit of the doubt and to say "it's not a big deal to me, *but I also acknowledge it's not a big deal because I'm at a place of success where that is possible." * The class of this guy!
To be fair if this was an intentional rip off by SNL writers, then the fact that there were SO many points where the two sketches could have been different but weren't, suggests that said writer(s) never thought that they would be caught red handed copying someone's work who has over, at the time of that video what, 1.5 million subscribers? Coincidences can and do happen.
@@Dr.OctaviousSpencername 3 more movies. You can’t.
@@papa._.burkett3535 Bring it on, I now pronounce you Chuck and Larry, Kinky Boots. If you want to put in some effort on your part instead of expecting me to hold your hand like a child, you can search it on TV Tropes, you’ll find more examples.
I couldn't stop laughing at the point where Joel was essentially just like, "well at the end of the day SNL is small potatoes to me at this point and even if they stole my joke they delivered it in an unfunny way so it's not even like it existing hurts my video either way."
deeestroyed em
Boom roasted
I could barely make it through their video, Joel is way funnier.
Damn, I didn't get that vibe at all but I can dig it. Would've been cool if he had went into it like, "I don't really think SNL stole my joke. They clearly tried but wasn't able to pull it off, but hey, they try their best over there despite the lack of talent so gotta give it up to them. I'm just lucky to be in this position where I am able to put together jokes that people will recognize as comedy, but I don't wanna hate on anyone at SNL since it must be hard running a comedy show without any comedy. But hey, no hate, I'm just really glad to be here and whatever."
@@2bb-2 you've gotta try harder to troll than that, man. At least strawman his actual statement on the matter; you'll get a much better rise out of people if it's plausible that someone could have actually watched the video and formed their wrong opinion from it.
It always amazes me how big budget productions like SNL manage to deliver a worse version of the thing they’re copying
They have to water it down for people that watch SNL.
Well, its to be expected. When I copied my friends homework, I purposely made it a little bit worse so it didn't seem I copied. Same thing with simulation theory.
Because its passionless...
SNL is notorious for stealing ideas and being unoriginal. There are so many former members who talk about the toxicity of the creative environment there where they are actively encouraged to steal from each other
They try too hard
This is so charitable of you, Joel. I would have had no idea SNL still aired if it were not for this video.
What is SNL??
(btw i'm not that dumb ik that its saturday night live)
SNL went woke then broke. Now they must steal content cause they're broke
@@hambino_maybe good on ya!
Oh my god 😂😂
"I have to recognize that im in a position to not be bothered by it" jesus, very true thing to say. i actually love this, thank you for putting this out there
Joel took a video he knew would be viral (the title, the controversy, the content) and turned it into a billboard for creators he appreciates. What a solid dude.
An inspiring and uplifting example of how we should act.
Much yes. I’ve never seen Joel before today & I'm pretty delighted by his vibe.
"Kill them with kindness" comes to mind
Joel is honestly one of my heroes now
@@Elymyntal he's absolutely hilarious and charming you should do a deep dive on his content it's all very fun and funny both live action and cartoons
If it’s any consolation this is straight proof you’re a better writer than the folks at SNL.
Not a high bar to clear
@@randybugger3006 These days at least, the writing has deteriated so hard on SNL to the point it's depressing if you were a fan of the orignal series.
Anyone could have told him that.
SNL was always meh guys
400 liked person
This dude is the kindest guy ever lol. Has his stuff stolen almost straight up, and just brushes it off and uses the topic to spread the love for other awesome creators out there. Good job man. UA-cam needs more Joel's out there
It's a shame because while it's admirable, it lets SNL off the hook. No consequences mean they will steal again.
Seriously. This was so Refreshing to see
I love this gut i dont always get his videos but i found his yt channel right at the beggining and i have loved 90% of them literraly to the point my ribs hurt
Yes. You don't subconsciously Borrow somthing 1 to 1
Joel is a national treasure.
I like how you describe SNL's delivery as "louder than life"
i personally have always found SNL to be unbelievably cringe, i just can’t sit through live sketches or those things like “kill tony” where they pretend to be having a normal conversation as if there isn’t a crowd sitting around expecting em to be funny😂 i might just be weird though cause ANYTHING in that format bugs me lol just cant bring myself watch shows filmed in front of live studio audiences
@@notreal5265 Even "down by the river" lingered too long for me, and that's my favorite joke that I can recall from SNL.
Just goes to show what an incredibly wholesome guy Joel Haver is. He lets SNL off the hook and on top of that, he sheds some light on smaller channels trying to grow a big audience.
Sharing some of the limelight from SNL maybe kinda sorta taking his bit to improve other creators.
ok
@@kurochan1911 smartest weeb in the universe:
@@kurochan1911 /whoosh much?
@@kurochan1911 your reply is in due of another edit
Joel's attitude towards art and content creation has consistantly been so admirable and genuine. People like him are the true heart of internet culture.
And thats a FACT!
I wish
Definitely an inspiration and I wish it were moreso this positive and generous but one thing is for sure I just subscribed to some new channels!
Human culture, his reach goes beyond that of the simple interwebs.
This guy is either genuinely the most wholesome creator out there, or a massive genius using this as a way to both prop up smaller creators while making him look infinitely better in the process rather than calling out mainstream media
life is black and white... after all..
Mainstream media SHOULD be called out. Frequently and without fear.
Both
He is 100% wholesome, and also a genius.
Jesus Christ died for our sins, rose from the dead, and gives salvation to everyone who has faith in him. True faith in Jesus will have you bear good fruit and *drastically* change for the better! Those led by the Holy Spirit do not abide in wickedness.
*God is ONE manifesting himself as THREE;* the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit! Bless him! *For these three are one.*
As I am led by the Holy Spirit, nothing I state is a lie, but the truth of God. Anyone who tells you differently is misinformed or a liar. They do not know God, nor led by him.
Anyone who *claims* to be a Christian and is against what I am doing, and where I am doing it; the Holy Spirit does not dwell within them, they lack understanding. They know not God, read his word, and their religion is in vain. Do not hear them, they will mislead you, the lost cannot guide the lost.
You took a situation that reasonably could have bothered any content creator and handled it with such grace, tact, and humility, even using it as an opportunity to give praise and attention to creators trying to reach a level of success you've already achieved. What a gentleman. I started following your channel because I appreciate the effort you put into your content, and you're genuinely hilarious. Every time you take these moments to monologue about creator struggles, you come across as a very thoughtful and grounded person. I am pleased to support your channel. So, thanks Joel.
I love how instead of getting pissed he was humble and even highlighted other creators. What great dude
seems pretty pissed the way he says he's not going to say a bunch of things he proceeds to say he is definitely not saying
@@MrWizardGG hes addressing the accusations made by his community against SNL. the stuff that hes definitely not saying hes repeating from his community. Like, he kind of has to adress it. And i think he adressed it in a very mature and reasonable way
@@MrWizardGG I’d be pissed if i was him lol what is your point?
Yup, my thoughts exactly 😎
What a true professional gentleman!
Sorry, but those unfunny fucks at SNL should not be allowed to get away with this.
I really like how chill you are about it. I'm sure most people would understand if you were freaking out and angry and wanted to sue. But it takes an extremely confident creator to be so calm and happy that someone stole one of their comedy sketches. Props for being the bigger man.
Kevin, what a great comment. Thanks for sharing.
Sue.... with the money it'd take and the sad possibility of not winning.... not being considered.
As some one who gets ripped off of IP all the time Im glad he has proof, and youtube algorithm picked it up so its a lot of free advertisement. both ways, for allowing some grandpa show no one watches to steal his IP to try and stay relevant.
That’s cool but also sue
Such a bad attitude to have to the big corporations that steal people's creativity and profit much more due to their larger audience
He knew this video would go viral so he decided to use a good portion of it plug his friends. Such a nice thing that goes easily overlooked. Thank you for being awesome.
And that was a thorough deep plugging as well.
Still don't care
@@jackminehard same i didnt care after 0:52 just wanted to how he felt stopped after all the plugs
Joel is one of the most wholesome content creators out there.
@Thelema "wholesome" is a word destroyed by redditors. Now anything weird is wholesome.
That’s gotta be the BEST way to start a video like this. Just a quick “hey, these things happen. These things happen a lot more often than you’d think, but this… this is too blatant” 😂
Incredible humility. Incredible rationality. Absolute 100% respect, my dear sir.
Oh snap it's you
For me It actually solidified the probability of them completely biting it unashamedly
Now this was a crossover I wasn’t expecting
Whoa TDT
This guy
This is an insanely mature response, I really appreciate you using it as an opportunity to uplift other creators. I think you definitely have a right to be rubbed the wrong way, but if you’re comfortable with the situation that’s all that matters.
It feels like the healthiest (mentally) way to deal with it.
Imagine The Act Man responding this calm to something
NO U
So mature that it’s borderline *insane*
Right?!?
SNL could never duplicate the style of humor that you deliver. Its so unique and leaves me laughing yet feeling slightly empty and I don't know why its so addictive.
True, but SNL still needs to cite their source material. The sketches are presented differently, but the plotline is basically identical.
Joel did it better.
SNL's writers are old and writing content for people who still care about cable TV, the kind of people that you have to tell exactly what they're supposed to laugh at. They're crippled by that honestly. Your average viewer under 30 would rather watch higher quality, completely original content from average Joes like them.
Its quite existential, his style of humour lol
It’s like Pringles
3:44 Holy sh*t. My man. I’ve been collecting on my own but you just shared all these goods.
Did... Did Joel just look at a big corporate entity stealing his idea and say, "Well, yeah, coincidences happen I guess. But since this video is probably gonna get a lot of attention, here are a bunch of other people who make cool stuff too"? The level of wholesome this man is is incredible and I love all of it T_T
He totally did. Legendary.
These are my exact thoughts of this man. Keep it up joel
SNL will look into all of those channels I bet!
(I'm just joking, not meant to frame this into something negative and yes this was really an awesome way for him to take this and spin it into something useful for smaller channels. Very cool!)
666th like, what do I win?
I would sue, no mercy for big media.
This is incredibly gracious, and a great response to the situation. Hopefully SNL acknowledges this as well, but wouldn't expect it.
They are probably more likely to acknowledge it via a successful TOS takedown of this video.
Not a fan of SNL, but if I were in their shoes I would never acknowledge it unless it were literally undeniable. As soon as they acknowledge it they're opening themselves up to lawsuits.
I wouldn't be surprised if a writer half-watched his video and remembered the concept, but not that it came from a video. Personally I think that's probably what happened since SNL has more than enough of a talent pool to write their own material. Major props to Joel for giving them the benefit of the doubt.
@@ExtremeSquared Sad, but true!
Successful people usually just let this happen and keep making good stuff. “They stole it? Oh well, on to my next project”. Glad you have that attitude
thats fucken wrong. look at all the copy write claims nintendo makes
@@Saltymedpac8008 this is why you're nobody
@@alanstringer. sweet, thats the only thing i can hope to be. because id rather be a nobody with taste than some normie that cant think for its self. and i call u It because the only single unit of thought u can muster up tht is diffrent is weather to put ketchup or mustard on your crappy opinion and call urself a human.
@@Saltymedpac8008 lol okay whatever didn't read
@@alanstringer.right, more like couldnt read.
Joel has displayed a new level of UA-cam enlightenment:
1. clickbait title
2. but it's true
3. and he's super thoughtful about it and
4. actually it's all just to push underrated creators
❤
I love the progression of this
In an SNL Drama/Theft video - you go out of your way to not just brush it off, but you plug a bunch of great channels and share a bunch of new stuff to us. You're on a whole other level of being a great dude. You're amazing.
I was thinking about that: woah, that guy communicates from a really nice level of being
It's okay, I will hate SNL a little bit more to make up for it.
Joel takes the imitation = flattery route, and then promotes other folks.
I appreciate the way you interact with the world, and the way you look at things from different perspectives.
Thank you for being encouraging, inspirational, and kind. You're awesome!
it's important for him to take that road because both of their videos basically copy the premise of high school musical
Too many words I’m not reading that
@@inkwell6131 The process you went through to write that comment absolutely took more time than reading the original comment.
wow - how wonderful to turn this into an opportunity to shine light of small creators. that's so awesome of you!
I have never heard of you before, I saw the video and thought it was gonna be someone dunking on SNL (I'm immature like that), but hot damn do I now have the upmost respect for you. Being transparent with your own experience of accidentally using an idea that's been done, giving SNL the benefit of the doubt, and then giving free shout outs to talented content creators, all for the sake of spreading positivity. Class-freaking-act man. I applaud you.
At least you admit you’re immature
He basically gave away the way he does his animation style for free. He's an amazing, wholesome, brilliant, funny dude. I love his animation work, especially, but it's all fantastic
Yes, is immature to dunk on millionaire corporatives.
And don't forget it.
@@thebluerodriguez4085 I mean, dunking on anyone over the internet is immature when you think about it, considering all the things I could be doing with my time. Yet here I sit, typing out this comment…… fuck I gotta go outside or something
Maybe learn something from his example and stop being immature.
Not only does Joel pass this off as not a big deal to him, but then uses a lot of the video to promote similar creators. This man is a king.
I feel like he wouldn't have made the vid if it wasn't a big deal to him
@@MrWizardGG it was an opportunity to bring other creators to people’s attention. I can’t believe you’re pillaging this comment section trying SOMEHOW to find immaturity in this response lmao
@@kait711 I don't even know what pillaging a comment section means but he doesn't need a specific event to promote his friends or favorite creators, so that excuse doesn't land with me
@@MrWizardGG If you watched the whole video he pretty explictly says his reasons for making this video. The situation got a lot of attention and instead of using it as an excuse to be angry or rile up his viewers he wanted to use that attention for something positive and promote stuff he does care about. He can't control the attention, but he can influence where that attention is directed.
It's also the best way to address the situation and put the issue to bed. Now we know his stance on the issue, so we can respect it and not go on some crusade in his name.
@@MrWizardGG lmao you’re pissed at him for promoting his friends? Why? Why does this bother you😅
This dude is so classy. Gave away a new animation technique so others could create and now turns what could have been a good dig at the mainstream into a shout out for the little guys.
Joel you are nothing short of inspirational, keep it up you diamond.
Love the attitude you have towards this man. My dad is literally a person who believes that Eminem stole my dads style in the 90s, that Game of Thrones ripped off his DnD campaign and book idea, and all sorts of fucking nonsense. I used to tell him that "They say 1000 people have an idea, 100 people start working on the idea and 1 or 2 people complete the idea." But hes a lost fucking cause. I genuinely believe SNL blatantly ripped you off though but your attitude towards this is really commendable.
Love your vids man, i binged all your videos when i was in treatment last year and dont know why i didnt sub but i fixed that now.
Keep on keepin on brotha
The fact that you admit to being in a position where it doesn't bother you shows how much better of a content creator you are!
Very respectable
I was like wow, that is now a new goal in my life to be in a position where I don’t need to be bothered by setbacks like that. Actually inspired 🥺
@@2bb-2 make sure the food is stacked nicely in Walmart
@@2bb-2 are the Russians in the room with us too?
@@2bb-2 You seem to be so lost in the legal state of the Charmin Bears that you missed the fact that they copied this UA-cam creator's skit and delivered it in an unfunny way sans any kind of credit whatsoever.
That's alright, you'll get em' next time champ. Just look a little harder for nuances or even distinct, logical differences. Or maybe just be a little more intellectually honest?
You'll figure it out, I believe in you.
How you turned this into a sweet genuine gesture to smaller channels is awesome. I think your whole attitude is great, you're just accepting it and I think a lot of artists would have trouble doing that. Proud of you
Ye it's super rare these days. Infact I'm not sure I have EVER seen any creator react with such humility but at the same time confidence to just carry without any bluster.
Nice as it is, I think SNL still should be doing something like this for Joel. Or at least recognize that 90+% of their sketch was plagiarized and give credit where it's due. Because let's face it, if Joel weren't so nice, and he wanted to sue, I'm pretty sure he'd win. SNL needs to acknowledge Joel and apologize or at least recognize his work publicly, regardless of whether they intentionally stole it or not.
Joel is the pure definition of "Kill your enemies with kindness". Love you man, you deserve every bit of the success you currently have and much more!
3:54 one of the videos is “Joel Haver stole my video” 😂😂😂
Wow, humble, forgiving, promotes his friends.
How wholesome can one guy be? This is the inspiration we need. The world needs more Joels, there can never be enough!
Dude take your tongue out of his ass Jesus.
You put it on YT! YT most prob have a lic agreement with them so its all legal!
@@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307 It's plagiarism.
@@mr.brenman2132 Well for starters thats nothing to do with copyright issues! Which this case is and even copying a non protected work is not breach of copyright! Also they might actually have legal ownership of the video under a lic agreement with YT!
Plagiarism is not illegal!
@@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307 Who tf is talking about legality? What, are you just looking for an argument? It's a violation of honor and a code of ethics.
Joel just gave everyone a college education in being the bigger person. So much respect for him!
At his height, even more impressive. I'll see myself out now.
I am going to copy his video. I am sure he would convince himself it is coincidental.
Everyone is now in debt to Joel for $100,000.
It’s not being the bigger person. It’s bending over to a force he couldn’t combat even if he wanted to. Fuck SNL
@@brassattacks2411 Dumb as hell
It can’t be overstated how good of a guy Joel is. Like, wow. This is the most mature and open minded response to something like this I’ve ever seen!
He defends copywirte bc he has copywrited. So moreso defending himself in a weak position in the way the wi t cause backlash from his idea taking again and again g
I can only aspire to be this well adjusted.
@@heliumnetworking5103 either way, I deeply respect his diplomatic and kind approach to this
@@DavidVandemark idk seems pretty hack and lame to me.
As a e.g if he had his wife murdered by SNL. But he had murdered the wife of Aunty Donna and came out with a statement that 'hey murdering ain't so bad it happens meh my wife may have been murdered but hey who can blame them, let me change the topic also to fill out this statement with random shout outs'
Like I guess kudos for not being a hypocrite but also thats more to save personal face and being called out for the same 'crime' then any diplomatic statement
Other obvious senerio
'Hey snl murdered my wife let's which just them!!!'
Crowd: hey didn't you murdered the wife of Aunty Donna, let's which just you too"
@@heliumnetworking5103 your comparison seems a bit over the top, honestly. But I respect your opinion
The biggest "me personally I'd never let that slide" reaction I've ever had
It's not exactly a secret that the SNL writer's room is a den of thieves. They steal from each other all the time, this won't be the first or last thing they steal from actually talented creators outside of their own bubble.
How can you tell they steal from each other?
Exactly, it has especially been worse the past 10 years or so
they've stolen a handful of bits from Cumtown in recent years
not only stealing the premise but literally repeating the same lines verbatim in some cases
woke sopranos was the big one they ripped
@@diamondnova7598 there are a lot of interviews with ex writers and cast members. Apparently the whole job is incredibly cutthroat and full of backstabbing since everyone wants to get their skits produced. It's not the fun collaborative project they make it seem, it's more like a constant fight for the spotlight.
Well that's a bold accusation with zero demonstration.
Broooo, the Alex shoutout!! He's from my home town, good friend of mine, played some shows together in a band a few times, did some recordings for a different project of his, I love that man. Single handedly one of the funniest and greatest human you will ever meet.
Alex is the best!!! Love Alex!! So cool you have the pleasure of knowing him too!
man,alex
You're a class act, Joel. Not everyone has the self awareness to realize that as lame as this sort of thing is it doesn't steal from how well you've been doing, and even less people would pivot that to point to others who create as emphatically as you or the SNL cast does even if it doesn't get such high views.
That said I'll be sure to do more than pat your back. I'll do as you suggest to support the community by watching a film noire about doodoo pants.
Lol you are haven't created anything of value in your Life so you have no actually understanding of being robbed. Someone taking credit and profit off your Life that spent doing said things is just ok? That's mental slavery. Kanye had that right.
@@Therealbigmonster They've been going downhill for years, I guess that's what happens when you push out all the actually funny people and only leave the low effort high ego personalities
This can be summarised by "yeah they stole my stuff but I'm rich so I don't care, if I was poor I'd be suing their ass"
This is the healthiest and most empathetic response to something like this. Good for you, Joel. This humble attitude will open many, many doors for you.
Wtf are these comments dude. You his psychologist or something?
Imagine being so confident in your content that you’re mature enough to take an opportunity like this to bring other creators into the light. Like, absolute mad respect. I know I wouldn’t be able to do something like that in your position.
SNL writers are binging these channels right now
Yeah despite his good message, I'm still pretty sure SNL stole that shit hahaha. Good response on Joel's part though. He def should have still called them out (though he likely never would have been able to prove it in the first place, I guess).
snl sucks nuts
@@SwitchTF2 does everything look like a show to you or just everyone who is better than you
@@SwitchTF2 Found the EA executive.
shows how dope Joel is. he knew this videos title would bring a lot of people in and used most of the video to shout out other channels. truly a stand up guy
I'm pretty sure he's more of a skit guy, occasionally animation too
@@HakureiReimuOfficial I'm very aware lol been subbed for maybe a year now, I'm just pointing out how I like his approach and delivery on this topic
@@UnsignedHypeHOU I see you're not much of a getting the joke guy
im pretty sure he was sitting throughout the video though
@@2bb-2 imagine being this wrong
I frickin' love you. You've taken a situation where many lesser individuals would have undoubtedly reacted either aggressively or negatively, and you've turned it into a positive like no one else could. You took 'being the bigger man' to a whole new level, promoting some excellent other channels. If more people were like you, the world would be a much better place.
Seriously, this is why we love Joel
I thought of this joke well before this "Joel" skid did. This isn't something that's super original. Just some random person who decided to film it. In fact, we should be ashamed of this Nobody for being so reductive.
And don't try to argue or disagree with me. Because you yourself said to not be aggressive or negative. I'd hate to call you a hypocrite
I dunno, I think he should hold them to task (if he can) its a matter of principle, they have not payed him, just stolen his Idea repackaged they will make Millions of ad revenue from that, and if he does not challenge it, he runs the risk of them challenging him and trying to pretend they own the IP.
This kind of stuff happens all the time. Also not contesting this in a certain amount of time actually says legally "i dont own this", thats part of copyright law, you have to make efforts to enforce it to take it too court and win, or not lose if they try to screw him later down the line.
Because equally if they did that he could legally end up being ruled as not the owner of the IP.
I agree his attitude is really good from an emotional and human POV, but from a legal POV he should look into it for his and the sake of others like him, if possible
@@Instanence LOL...sad troll.
What a top bloke
This is probably the best response anyone has ever made to a video. Not only was Joel so humble with himself, he also brought to light smaller underrated channels.
Such as SNL
joel is a truly good hearted dude. for real. he could have easily made the video that everyone was expecting trashing SNL, but instead he chose to do the opposite. massive props joel, we see you and we appreciate you being a source of light and decency in an age where both are desperately needed
This vid made me realize of how I almost fell into that exact trap! There’s a bunch of discourse online around artists vs. AI, and even though I strongly believe the issue is more of the people using the AI rather than the AI itself, and believe it can be used in a way to help artists and not replace them (as if that would happen anyway) I still was getting pretty heated and wound up making a bunch of comment threads and the like, and all it did was make me more stressed!
This video made me realize that I need to stop doing all of that to the degree I’ve been doing it, and instead, acknowledge the negative stuff, try to look for positives, and more importantly, redirect my attention from complaining (because that’s basically what I was doing, and I’m not proud of it.) to doing more positive things like promoting my artist/animator/creator friends! Plus, I should really focus on getting some stuff done myself, because I got a few projects and stuff I need to get done in my personal life! Spending all my time on ranting about something isn’t going to change anything! If I want to show the positive sides of AI art in a way that doesn’t harm other artists, I should just try out the websites themselves! If I don’t wanna bother with it, just leave it alone!
This video really helped me see I need to refocus my attention on more important things at this moment right now!
This is actually my first video I’ve seen of Joel, and I couldn’t have asked for a better introduction!
Thank you Joel!💖💖💖
*good hearted!?* Joel fucked my dad on my 13th birthday!!
It's crazy this was over 1 year ago now! Time flies
Imagine being the kind of stand up guy that has his work stolen and your response is to turn around and hype up other content creators. A truly kind and benevolent response. The world needs more of this.
Not a good policy at all, people not being held responsible or accountable for their actions these days is why we're in the mess we are in socially.
Nah, he should have sued.
eh…prob shouldnt normalize it. Other companies will then do the same. Give them an inch, blah blah blah. Not that Joel’s in the wrong
That's actually very unhealthy thinking.
@@Motorsportsinjapanhow is he gonna hold snl accountable 😂
Jesus! What absolute Class and Humility you have Joel. Good for you taking the high road, even allot of bigger creators would have been angry and I'd honestly say rightfully so, I wouldn't be disappointed if you were a little frustrated (obviously not to the point of making an ass of oneself), but this is just heartwarming to see. Keep it up! we need more role models on UA-cam and I'm happy to say you're one of them.
@@2bb-2 when did he whine about characters he doesn't own?
@@2bb-2 TL:DR;
- you're too cynical to watch the video and i'm the bot?
- you're "truth" is wrong because you clearly didn't watch.
-Please seek help for you pessimism.
Now for the "I'm intelligent and Intellectually honest enough to read counter arguments";
If you're this cynical about joel or any other creator maybe you should just leave. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me and even less so creators I like but it sounds like you're too stubborn to hear out counter arguments to the point where you had to invalidate me and validate yourself before even presenting your argument. if you're so unwilling to watch the video (because it definitely is something other than what you described) unwilling to actually find the truth before calling your own opinion truth, then there's no point you being here or speaking (typing in this context)...who's the bot here? you didn't even watch the video. The only thing I see as even slightly controversial is the use of a clickbait title but then he used the clickbait to support his friends and growing creators after explaining that he's actually not as mad as some of his viewers expected, the first half of the video is him saying he doesn't care. Get off the whiskey and leave cynicism to people with something to actually say.
@@2bb-2 yup, didn't even watch. please sit down and shut up. Stupid people are entitled to their opinions but the missteps in your upbringing is that somebody convinced you that your opinion has value.
@@2bb-2 Average SNL fan
@@2bb-2 “Everyone I disagree with is a bot” lmao great job. Truly an American moment
Joel, I don't make videos like you, I'm a producer, but your attitude as a creative has always amazes me. You're forgiving, you're creative, you're genuine, and you're humble. One of my favorite creators for sure and I think you represent art incredibly. It's a shame that larger businesses have to pedal ideas off of smaller creators. Your ingenuity and personality are gonna take you very far. Thank you for entertaining so many of us and thank you for always being you.
It's passive aggressive, the title of the video is "SNL stole my video" then the eldest of the video is limp, in comparison.
@@uppercutgrandma4425 Joel missed an opportunity to make it clickbaity AND honest by titling the video "Did SNL steal my video?"
Lmao I didn’t expect this video to be as a direct and mature response as it was
You are genuinely one of my favorite creators mainly because of how real you are. You’re never afraid to make a video like this just talking to your viewers. Very rare and very appreciated.
How does that make them real though? If someone who didn't like talking like this forced them selvesto do so regardless, would that still be "real?" Just because they're being open? I don't quite understand why him talking about how he feels about the situation makes him more "real." Talking about ones feelings in a video, personal or not, isn't rare on UA-cam or even the internet at all... Is it because he was so chill, and didn't get upset? Or, is it more because he's saying things you agree with, or in a way you too view the world? I should point out I don't like or hate this creator, they're whatever to me, I'm just genuinely confused by all the statements saying this exact she thing, calling it rare.
@@aliciafraser1835 I think his reaction subverts expectation. His reaction is productive and useful and how people would like reality to be so they call it "real"
Joe makes conversation videos sometimes talking about how much the people in his life mean to him, etc.
666th like on your comment.
That's a coincidence I swear... even though it's not the first time that's happened
@@aliciafraser1835 he brings in information from past projects that line up with what he’s saying making it feel like he’s genuinely there and active with his work. Also he says it in such a great way, like he’s not upset but just pointed out the similarities. People are so quick to jump into drama usually.
Joel, it is refreshing to see such a very professional content creator address this matter in the way you did in this video. Also, thank you very much for mentioning these other content creators so that your fans can check out other talent and support these other filmmakers!
What a stand up dude. Used half the video just to promote some other channels and friends whose stuff he likes. I didn’t even know who you were before this popped up somehow but I’m subbed now. Always appreciate someone spreading positivity when it’s not necessarily the first thing that most people would think to do.
Yeah, he's a reservoir of ideas. I could use reservoir of ideas.
I Second the motion! Never heard of this person, but the humility and seemingly genuine attitude is so refreshing and wholesome. Subbing for this reason, whether I end up liking the content or not. If more creators on these platforms had this mentality and attitude, the world would be a better place.
@@janaetrojan4469 Joel's legit one of the funniest I've seen on YT. He does awkward, surreal shit absolutely spot on.
I don't know, I think he's less of a stand up comedy guy and more of a multimedia skit guy. /j
Lol when saving face to not get called out for stealing content himself.... Then changing the subject to pad out the video length for the algo for the views generated by mentioning SNL.
Lol
I swear this concept was fleshed out in a family guy episode, or possibly i am experiencing the mandela effect
Yes they did but it was a cutaway with some beavers I believe.
You're the best Joel. Love how you approached a situation like this - taking the focus away from a too-huge mainstream staple of entertainment, versus an independent creator in yourself, and taking that opportunity to shift the focus toward great independent creators who really deserve the spotlight. Really respect that a lot. 💛
Definitely top 10 Joels, but the best? I don't know.
seems kinda spineless to me, even from the 2 second clip he showed of the skit it is rather obvious they stole his work. Why leave it open for debate?
@@Russ0107 Because ultimately this is his situation to deal with and that might have been the most comfortable way for him. Throwing out accusations toward a big company like SNL can feel really daunting, even if you're confident you're in the right, so this is a more diplomatic way to approach it. Feels more sensible than spineless
@@Russ0107 You either don’t know what the word spineless means or you enjoy petty drama.
@@trashtrash2169 hahah, well, I can't think of any better Joels, can you?
You have things SNL will never have. Integrity, creativity, quality and most of all, your content is actually funny.
Well, never have AGAIN. Those older sketches still make me laugh.
@@RiggedDynamo usually the best ones are because big names like will Farrell the main cast is poop to the max
never heard of you, clicked for the drama, ended up being really impressed by the grace, humility and selflessness w/ which you handled this situation. actually inspiring reaction, I don't think I would've thought to do the same in your position and probably would've been really tempted to really assume the worst/
Damn, Alex. That’s great to know. Thanks for sharing.
Alex, thanks for commenting. Thats awesome as hell.
Thank you Alex, very informative
Love the positivity! Keep it up Fam!
thats called being a cucold
the fact id never heard of these bears before Right Now, and ur being so humble and awesome about it all?? top notch bloke
They pretty clearly just stole that from you, but you highlighting the other channels and being mature about it is welcomed.
Hopefully some other creators pick this up and more people come to view your work and the work of those mentioned in this video because of this incident.
Joel is definitely up there when it comes to nicest UA-camrs. He could've turned this into REAL drama, and made a bunch of money through revenue. Instead he acknowledged it, gave his feelings and used the people who came to this video expecting drama to holster up his friends. Genius level generosity.
Oh, and made a bunch of money through revenue.
@@terraversalvoid5391 He could've made allot more if he dragged it out
@@terraversalvoid5391 if he had caved in to greed and drama, he would be swimming in rivers of cash, but, he would basically trade his soul for that
@@terraversalvoid5391yes, that is the nature of UA-cam.
would you rather no videos?@@terraversalvoid5391
Super humble
Great
Nic
Nice sir
Very good
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Joel - eh... it's weird but I'm grateful and happy.
Joel's headline copywriter - *cracks knuckles
Taking the opportunity to promote others, as always a legend Joel, thanks for all the joy you bring.
He must go down as a national treasure. It's impossible to find another youtuber as truly wholesome and incredibly talented as he is.
I don't think slapping that on the vid really belongs, two different topics
@@MrWizardGG I don't see why it doesn't belong. He addressed the main topic and instead of spending the whole video, bashing on SNL for their complete lack of originality, he spends most the time lifting up other small ORIGINAL filmmakers of UA-cam.
The mans too wholesome that it turned sinners into saints
@@ComedyBros5 I mean I know. I don't know why you're saying that like it's a good thing. He can literally promote other people's videos any time he wants, you're just making him sound worse like hes ONLY doing it so that he can complain about SNL in the first half.
"I have to recognize that I'm in a position not to be bothered by it." What a thoughtful and healthy perspective to have.
"SNL stole my video, but I'm not in a position to care." Ok, I respect that.
Joel you are such an emotionally mature person and a truly great human being. The fact you could look at these things so objectively and then bring light to other creator's content is truly amazing. I have so much respect for you already and this just made me have even more for you. Keep doing what you're doing, you're an inspiration to us and I will definitely check out these other creator's you brought light too!
I thought Joel was a class act when he did a tutorial for how he animates, saying he just wants everyone to have tools. Now, he gets his content jacked, and he takes it as an opportunity to absolve the likely thieves and then promote smaller creators. Joel seems like a great guy!
i kinda thought joel did that explanation of how he animates, because he wanted people to use it themselves. he should feel good about the fact that others are copying his style. he literally created a whole new genre of animation. you could call it "Joel Haver Style"
@@Femaiden many people have used that style from his videos and he is happy watch the video they stole a plot
@@RSFArocks holy crap dude, did i say that? no, i did not say that he was complaining ablut small YT people imitating his style.
I said that i got the impression that he did that video because he "wanted" people to imitate his style. I dunno where you got the idea that i was attacking anyone.
i was tslking about Joel's video where he explained how he animates. i thought he did that so people could see how he does it and imitate it.
i watched this entire video in its entirety and i think Joel made the right decision here to react the way he did to the snl sketch.
the stole his "concept", but they wrote all new dialogue that was different from Joel's video and the inside of the house looks totally different and the dance the bears did at the end of the snl sketch was more "stolen" from the tv commercials than from Joel. the except for the concept of the one bear wanting to dance instead of college and the dad's disapproval, the SNL sketch bore more resemblance to the tv commercials than joels video. and in the snl sketh, the dad eventually relented and gave his approval, which didn't happen in joel's video
@@Femaiden I don’t believe the video would be made if Joel didn’t make his so at the end of the day someone took his idea without even giving him credit in the description
As an Australian, it fills my heart with pride that you recognised the Aunty Donna sketch. Those silly boys are something else
I love Aunty Donna 😂
The way he pronounces it bugs me a lil but it's good that aunty donnas getting their well deserved recognition
@@NoRizzMaker it does suggest he hasn't actually seen their stuff because if you have you have to hear their AUNTIE DONNA intro
“AN TI DOONA”
@@batchampa he's just gotta binge watch big 'ol house of fun. I'm sure he'll enjoy season one
What a mature, real, and well-thought-out response. I would not have responded the same way, and I envy that about Joel.
Joel is genuinely one of the most encouraging, constructive creators on this platform. Thanks for all you do!
As a fellow artist who has been in the entertainment business for 35 years I give you the biggest applause for being humble as well as understanding all the ins and outs of being a creative in this business. You are by far one of my favorite creators on UA-cam, not only are you a fantastic actor, but you're writing and everything else you do is exemplary. I've been trying to share you with fellow actors and people in the field and I'm continuing to follow your journey and expect to see great things from you! Thank you for sharing your art with us. As well as your truth.
This is so gracious of you. It's great to see you supporting new up-and-comers like "Saturday Night Live". I'm excited to witness their new foray into the comedy genre.
I love you Joel, you sure know how to handle situations with thoughtfulness and grace
As much as I respect you basically letting SNL off the hook, you really should hold them more accountable. Corporations tend to steal ideas like this all the time and give no credit, and it’s practically criminal.
As much as I hate these things happening, it’s unfortunately not possible for many small creators to sue and confront corporation about these things. Many big corporations have large legal teams, and they will find every excuse to not take accountability. Even if they directly ripped off a piece of art, a script, or design.
He promoted channels that are funnier than SNL, so in the long run he is hitting SNL in the wallet if only a little bit. Otherwise he has to pay out of pocket for lawyers, take a bunch of his own time, and potentially lose, which would encourage SNL to steal even more ideas without penalty. This video may not be a big hit, but its a guaranteed hit at no cost to himself, in fact his response will probably earn him more money directly with views, and also earning many more subscribers in the long run, which could end up being more valuable than what he may have won in court.
Most likely not much he could do
@@sleepydragonzarinthal3533 that's a stretch
@@cosseybomb lol which part? The part where a couple people stop watching SNL because of this or finding funnier content, or the part where this channel benefits from taking the high road, the idea that he may lose in court?
Joel, this is the first video of yours that I have ever seen. You have done something monumental. Your reaction to allegations of theft is the most compassionate and selfless decision I have ever seen from an online content creator. Thank you for doing this.
please watch more Joel is one of the best creators on this platform
Obsequious people are gross
this is Joel being terrified of SNL's lawyers.
@@MrShanester117 hard to not be when you're up against the big dogs.
It's disguising how moved I was by how well you handled this situation. When you started introducing smaller creators in the middle of what is probably your highest (so far) profile moment, I got chills and teared up. Bravo.
Lmao chill
I also teared up, I was absolutely moved by his words, I am in tears at the moment. Just in awe of this eye opening, inspiring video, it was just amazing how he handled it, I was so moved I got a t shirt with his face on it, and put a life sized painting of him in my room, I’m just so inspired, and moved, it’s crazy! good day
@@ethansilva9562 It's okay to have feelings
disgusting as fuck
@@AnonymoStranger i agree bro. seeing compassion and deference at a point where a person could totally further their career and be self-focused, is a moving thing. i can see why somebody would get emotional about that.
This is probably the classiest video I've ever watched. And all your recommendations seem really cool, so I'm checking them out now. Thanks for being an example of the kind of person I want to be.
you are actually such a great role model, not just as a content creator, but as a person. whoever taught you the values that you have today should be very proud of you, bro. hope you receive all the love you deserve for being you.
This right here /\
"Content creator" is not a thing. UA-cam is a gig/hobby. Anyone can post here.
so someone who creates content is not a content creator? lol why nitpick about something so inconsequential
@@user-fe8gx3ie5v So if you create content for a living what are you?
It was his father and mother that pushed him to continue doing videos.
Since I started watching your stuff I've thought you were super funny, but seeing this is a really nice sign to see that you're also a really humble and kind person. Great stuff!
Didn't expect to see you here, cool
I wonder if you’re the reason this was recommended to me
it truly disgusts me how wholesome you are. keep it up man
Met Joel great kidd showed me how to use a VPN so my wife can't see my Google searches of Bailey Jay and Annabelle Lane saved my marriage.
@@jonesjermaine4387 bruh I had to google who they were you def need a vpn
It truly disgusts me how wholesome he is. He should keep it up.
@@jonesjermaine4387 I laughed too hard at this
Man, kudos to you for taking this incident and making it a gigantic video of positivity ❤
Joel, I just have to say this.
I 've been following your channel for at least three years and I'm never gonna get tired of the things you create nor of you for that matter. I'm happy to see your achievements and what you're becoming as a person, I'm just proud of you and I'll always be here to support you because what you do isn't only art, but it's a source of inspiration for those who want to create but are just too scared or insecure to do it. Thank you very much for what you've given us and I wish you more of the best. Love ya.
Anyone else find it weird how kissbutt UA-cam comments are like this one? Like people are just bonered for that creator stamp lolol
@@goullet86 I love him too though,he is just showing the love ,should try it
@@darthotto101 check this guy's other comments in this channel and tell me what you think about it
SNL writers are so lame and uninspired
@@the_funny_man I can’t tell which guy you’re talking about but the hearted guys comments are all complimenting Joel and the person butthurt they didn’t get a heart had written a love note of his own, both are hilarious
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How are you this wholesome? Thank you for using this as an opportunity to lift others rather than tear someone down. You're the best of all of us.
You might be one of the humblest creators I've ever seen. You sir are a shining example, not just to other creators, but everyone. The world would be a better place with more people trying help others and assuming the best of everyone else. You're a legend my guy.
I absolutely agree. And watching this video and then reading your comment made today not only a satisfying day, but a good day. Good karma to you all!
It's all an act. Joel Haver is a character, a persona he puts in front of the camera. If you really knew the Joel Smillivic-Havesuc like I do, from years of school, college, dating and being a role model too, mentor for, lover of and sub-dom with; at orgies and alone, the you'd think differently about his comment.
Of course, I still worship the ground he walks on and even though his mum and I have broke-up, I still consider him a son, of sorts. Oh and he's dating my twins, so I get a say about it still.
He is not
@@computeraidedyamianime profile picture and multiple comments on the same video about disliking the channels creator, go do something productive & fun with your time buddy
He truly is a national treasure.
If SNL stole your video then that means you got some good ass content
Its really cool of you to respond to this so graciously and turn it into a way to uplift other creators
It's stuff like this that makes me feel like Joel really deserves all the love we throw his way. It's not just the amazing content that he's been churning out for years, he's just such an incredibly wholesome individual and I can't help but smile when I hear him speak.
Your heart is so huge, Joel. Keep being the kind soul you are.
The SNL writer who "came up" with this idea watching right now: 👀
A well balanced and professional way to view this.
I both feel for ya and appreciate someone behaving like a normal adult these days.
Best to you and your channel!
This was one of the absolute harshest clap backs I’ve ever viewed on UA-cam. If I were the writer that stole from you, after I finished crying, I’d move to the woods and live with the squirrels.
“I hope you have a nice day. Bye bye”
Brutal. Absolutely brutal.
"I gotta recognize that I'm in a position to not be bothered by it." That's badass, and teaches us a lesson in humility we could all learn
Gives obvious thieves a huge amount of benefit of the doubt. Uses the situation to draw attention to other creators. Joel is a good guy.