If I had known this comment was going to get attention I would have put more effort into it 😅. That's the only place I can think of that actually burned. Thank you for your channel! It is the main reason I've stayed invested in WoW as a franchise.
Shadowlands trailer was revealed in November.... What place was burning alot during the month prior ..... Goldshire and the most holy of places in Azeroth The Lions Pride inn by the Headless Horseman.
Still wish the Taking of Undercity from Wrath wasn’t taken out. Maybe as a scenario that could be started in the Seat of Knowledge like other scenarios.
Yeah, but they'd still have to dig up the old Undercity, which is the reason it was taken out to begin with. I don't see them making the effort for an over a decade old quest.
@@RileyRivalle2 They dont need to "dig" it up. They already have it, they have a live classic version of WoW so they clearly have all the old map data and assets.
@Zac Scott Don't you realize how much "digging" they had to do for Classic, though..? There's a reason it was in DEVELOPMENT, not just a copy-paste client. :D And WotLK Undercity isn't quite like Vanilla either. Like I said, it wouldn't be too hard but it wouldn't be worth the effort for a single old quest either.
I feel bad for the old God that landed on an asteroid. He be all like " I got a rock" and he would have to be his best old God self and corrupt the hell out of it. " Behold! My black.... um..... AREA!"
I know "I got a rock" was supposed to be all depressed like Charlie Brown, but honestly I read this situation more like Invader Zim. Tiny little delusional Old God named Z'him, clinging to his void-scarred rock hurtling through space, cackling maniacally. "I AM Z'HIIIM!!!"
Im still pissed about how horribly wasted he was in legion. And his voice acting got such a downgrade. "Welcome to my kingdom of darkness" still sends a chill down my spine
"I'm always on the winning side." Was always my favorite line of his. It's so badass. He's either boasting his cunning in allegiances or boasting his power in saying his side wins simply because he is on it.
@Ryan W That was the part that got me the most about it, actually. He's been tortured for years, is barely alive - and still isn't broken, is still a nasty asshole to the Shivarra, still gives the players premonitions that haunt them even YEARS after the fight. Imo it was done pretty well.
He did quite a lot wrong. Could have accomplished his goal without making himself look like a huge threat and burning everyone to death and turning people into Demons. If he just told us there were Old Gods screwing with Azeroth and helped us kill them everything would have been fine. We didn't even need his help after-all so imagine how quick it would have been if he did help. He must have wasted so much time and magic fighting wars of eradication on planets that probably would have did what he wanted if he'd just not been a big evil Demon Guy raining fire all over the planet.
@@LordProteus it has reason ya know Old gods were corupting azeroth When titans realized that old gods corrupted too much and if every old god dies Azeroth will die So they decided to imprison Since azeroth was counted stronger than sargeras and if it will be Void titan it would end universe Sargeras feared this so he recommended just kill every sleeping titan but pantheon said No So ye
This whole game is about communication problems. If characters had an extra line of dialogue between them that conveyed actual useful information it would all look very different
@Ryan W an personal oppinion has nothing with glasses or lack of brain. You are the one lacking the idea of people having diffrent taste. some people like high quality games others like pixel games and others inbetween. no need to make yourself stand out like a fool
I wouldn't mind if shadowlands has small references to the legion,titans and old gods but I really hope the main premise is separate. The whole theory about the jailer being a dead titan is interesting but I really think they need to expand the story beyond that we can't keep having every expansion be " it was titans/demon/old gods the entire time"
Can't we, though? Because every expansion has been that. Literally every single one. It works as long as they're writing it competently, but that particular department has been lacking lately...
@@RileyRivalle2 but how long can they keep that going? The Titans are sealed away and The old gods on Azeroth destroyed every question about them has been answered. To just jump between those two every expansion will get very old. WoW lore is great when there is speculation and mystery. Even if we encounter new old gods it wouldn't interesting because we know they are just parasites instead of these unknowable ancient beings that exist outside the cycle of life and death.
@@DagothDaddy we still do not have anything about the shadow lords. We have seen a few of them and we know the old gods were sent by them... but they are the evil the burning legion wants to stop. I feel we need to talk about them rather than the old gods strategies.
@@AnthonyJClink I get what they where going for with The void and everything but it's just not very interesting. It's mostly just The Fel but purple and gooey instead of green and on fire
Well thats sort of the lore from the Warcraft books. All of these fundamentals are what give the world its structure. Hell the void itself connects all of the Blizzard properties together to make the Blizzard Universe. Or if you don't count Heroes of the Storm the it still connects Starcraft and Warcraft since the Dark Templars and Void Elves both use the power of the void.
By the time of the Nathrezim’s campaign quest in 9.1 there are just too many things that don’t make sense, i mean it’s clear that the jailer created the lich king and now we also know that the Nathrezims have always worked for Denathrius and so for the jailer, so why would Balnazzar, Detheroc and Varimathras wanted to kill Arthas and destroy the lich king, and why Arthas convinced Illidan to kill Tichondrius?
Yep, this hapoens when you throw out all og blizz metalhead employees and replace them with gen z people who don't know which toilet to choose and never understood vanilla lore. Kek
"And the broken mask hangs above your hearth and then you will know" seems like a reference to the fact that sylvanis was going to break the lich kings crown
11:08. Sylvanas totally did not learn from that and did the same thing in Burning of Teldrassil when she decided not to finish off Malfurion immediately XD
Blizzard’s writing has definitely gone downhill significantly over the last decade. They went from writing investing story arcs with compelling antagonists to predictable and dull plot lines with fan favorites just whacked with the villain stick and turned into cartoonishly incompetent baddies.
Why was Varimathris so scared of being killed by Sylvanas if he could just come back to life. She wins and he gets on all fours begging for mercy. It's not like she could have permanently killed him.
Varimathras fascinated me when i first played wow so long ago. i used too love seeing him wipe alliance raids in the undercity. i really hope they bring his story back into the game. the dreadlords were really cool
With the book found one might think that Varimatras has left the path of the Dreadlords which could mean a deeper story for him. Though the chances for that are small I would be super hyped for him to actually join us.
But Nobbel one of our holy places did burn aka Teldrassil :D, also the world soul just speeds it up although maybe Argus can stop there souls from obliterating themselves when their in the nether and still resurrect them
Hey Nobbel, have you ever considered uploading to spotify? I know I would definitely listen to your longer videos more frequently, if I didn't have to run youtube. *RIP battery life.* Thanks!
Remember that time when Sylvanas was an anti-hero but still had honor and love for her people? Or when Kael'Thas was a good guy? Good times, WoW butchered the best characters. . .
I think you're giving Sylvanas a little too much credit, my guy. She never truly cared for the Forsaken - they were merely 'arrows in her quiver', tools to be used against Arthas. Even when she strove to secure their survival, it was only in order to prevent her eternal damnation by having them be her 'bulwark against the infinite'. And even if she really DID care about her people's future, I don't think that absolves her of the callous and brutal actions she committed during Warcraft 3 - wanting to protect your people is good, but not if you put everyone else on the chopping block to do so.
kael was never ''good'' he was selfish to an extent but he cared for his people he was easy to manipulate cause of the sunwells issue but making him a downright villain was to out of no where
@@jeevesgeech6836 When was Kael'Thas selfish? He voluanteer to help humans reclaim Lordaeron and was misstreated abused and almost executed by Marshal Garithos, he only wanted to help his people, so he indeed took help from Vashj and joined Illidan. He never did a selfish thing as I recall, and Blizz turned him into a comical villain, who's evil for sake of being evil. . .
@@davidwilson2916 In that same story where she calls them arrows in her quiver, she realizes like two chapters later she does care for them and doesn't want to see them wasted in a suicide campaign. Sure, she wanted them to protect herself, but it's obvious she still cares about the forsaken. Then BtS happened and that all got thrown out the window.
when it comes to the burning legion I do believe we will be seeing them again in the future. Nearly every dreadlord we have known throughout WoW died on azeroth during legion. They had to have gone back to the twisting nether and are still alive. Archimonde will also likely come back because despite what has been said he never died in the twisting nether. He died on alt draenor. Even the mythic only phase that isn't where he dies. He dies in the cinematic that plays upon his defeat.
Hey man I doubt you will see this but I thought something while watching your latest video. With the upcoming shadowlands expansion isn’t it very likely that the jailor is linked to the old gods or even the void/ shadow itself. We don’t know how long sylvannas has been in contact with him so isn’t it reasonable for her to have been in contact from the start. She is the one who is pivotal for ruining many of the burning legions plans. She has powers which no other banshee has, I mean she literally possessed her dead body and has been able to sustain it completely and then she starts using shadows itself. She has been in contact with the jailor since her death and has no doubt planned many times to free him or further his influence. There is so much that his involvement in her story would fill.
A weird question,if he was tryin to summon the big boss in undercity without books or wells or anything,does that mean some strong dreadlord can go in some corner noone cares about and summon sargeras or an army without a care?
why would Varimathras try summoning Sargeras if he was on Denathrius and the Jailer's side all along, wouldn't it make more sense for him to wait until Sylvanas became warchief and side with her once she started working for the jailer ?? i honestly don't think he's defected from Denathrius but w/e .. i know Blizzard is pulling all the story moving forward out of their .... creativity
Yep, this hapoens when you throw out all og blizz metalhead employees and replace them with gen z people who don't know which toilet to choose and never understood vanilla lore. Kek
I want to hear ner'zul talking to the dreadlords about malganis Lich king voice:No please dont punish me master,it won't happen again,ill be a good boy
I feel like they used the titan soul to resurrect demons that died in the twisting neather or areas infused with fell. That's why despite killing so many on Argus, they would keep poring out of antorous. Then any that don't die in those areas just resurrect like normal. That's how I like to think about it.
i hope they dont kill her make her un killable villian i mean she has the very big built up as lore wise after illidan she is my favorite specially with her war tacts in bfa xD
WHEN does Varimathras give that speech in Antorus?? I've ran that dungeon several times on all difficulties and have NEVER heard him say that speech. I only know it exists from data mining. Has anyone actually heard it in-game??
Which one? The one from the alliance seeds of downfall is the audio i grabbed during recording him in antorus on alliance char. Haven't gone in on horde char but imagine hide of bones plays when they engage him.
It plays whenever you approach his room. Both Alliance and Horde lines play there once you jump down to his prison. It might not play if you are using stuff like stealth or invisibility but I am pretty sure it still works!
Arthas was a death knight then. When he got the helm, he was together with nerz'hul and then the lich king. :D At that time were he killed sylvanas, he got only frostmourne.
"When your holy places burn" (teldrassil) "when the shattered mask hangs above your hearth" maybe the shattered mask refers to Helm of Domination and hearth (home).. actually azeroth ? this was planned al along as a passage for shadowlands ?
The script for shadowlands has been in dev since early mop i assume. 2014-2015ish. Just like wrath of the lich king story was in dev when vanilla wow went live. Blizzard kinda wrap a story for years before going live
Cautiously optimistic is my approach to Shadowlands. Try not to hope for anything, because that's just more potential for disappointment. Wait and see what the alpha and beta brings. I'd even advise you not to preorder if you haven't yet.
Same here! With the Lich King's helmet destroyed, what will the scourge do? Rebuild their army piece by piece until they take over everything and wipe out all of azeroth? I fear Blizz will turn the scourge into the weakest looking army ever and just say "oh the armies of azeroth are just stronger now than before and they can take care of the scourge easily now." -.-; The story made it seem so important to keep the scourge controlled and make sure there is always a lich king holding them back, but now the king is defeated... sooo... yeah!
I use to love Sylvanas. She was so strong and willing to do anything for her new and old people. I know she's got a deeper plan to mess with the jailer but... I dunno.. her evilness has just gotten too evil
You think the holy places didn't burn in battle for azeroth? I seem to recall a really big really important tree being burned to the ground. Pretty sure the night elves thought it was quite significant to them culturally. Otherwise I'm not sure what Tyrande is all butthurt about.
BTW, did illidan bring argus next to azeroth or azeroth to argus. If latter the demons were killed in twisting nether and they are dead, if he brought argust next to azeroth they are not dead since azeroth isn't in the twisting nether. Am I right?
Despite the dubious graphical effect that makes it look like Argus and Azeroth was brought close together, it's actually just a giant portal in the sky. They should've kept the red outline in the sky to clarify that. When the portal was closed a small red "star" remained in the sky, the one we can still see now.
Holy shit I just realized this. Varaimathus was betraying the Forsaken to kill the Lich King. Most likely to destroy the Helmet right then and there for his Master. Damn another easter egg hint RIGHT IN FRONT US. Damnit Blizz I love the Shadowlands Lore so much lol
does anyone know where the twisting neather is? is it just the name for outer space? is it a planet called the twisting neather. that always confused me and i feel like iv never been able to get an answer...
I really genuinely think they excluded Varimathras from Legion on purpose. I think Sargeras placed Varimathras somewhere, OR the Nathrezim have always been double agents for the Void, seeing as how it was a Nathrezim, on an Old God dominated planet that corrupted Sargeras. Hopefully he shows up in Shadowlands.
Correction: he wasn't excluded from Legion; the Antorus raid is what Legion ended on. And also Sargeras wasn't "corrupted" in the way the term is used in Warcraft, it was in full control of himself the entire time.
That makes way more sense. ^^ Mal'Ganis WAS summoned to Azeroth on the Broken Shore, though (when Gul'dan piled up all the baddies so we had to flee). Anything after that is fair game for speculation.
I wonder how Varimathras would interact with Nathanos. Him being the love interest of Sylvanas while Varimathras was with her from early on. He would probably troll him by saying "I know her better then you ever will. All those years of going over plans, among other things. She has a lot of spirit that one." He'll probably come back if the fans want it enough, Blizzard already ruined the lore with Light Undead so having a Dreadlord soul in Shadowlands wouldn't be too much stretch nowadays.
@@Amandor2011 True but Varimathras was with her when she was at her most vengeful. Nathanos knew her when she was alive and mellow and from Cata onwards when she became what we know her as now. The time when she and Varimathras were partners was when she was at her most raw, who knows how many plans they made together before his betrayal. Varimathras would use that to troll Nathanos and his love for Sylvanas.
What I don’t get is why varathras is a coward on Azeroth, he’s not in the twisting nether so he wouldn’t die and the dreadlord world isn’t blown up yet
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"holy places burning" is Teldrasil. It was holy to the Night Elves
Yeaaah fair point, there was the whole temple of elune that went up with Teldrassil... Did more holy places burn?
If I had known this comment was going to get attention I would have put more effort into it 😅. That's the only place I can think of that actually burned. Thank you for your channel! It is the main reason I've stayed invested in WoW as a franchise.
Also Cathedral district of Stormwind comes to mind? Didn't burn down, but was burning as well
@@Nobbel87 What about Dazar'alor? I dont think it gets any more holy than that for trolls
Shadowlands trailer was revealed in November.... What place was burning alot during the month prior ..... Goldshire and the most holy of places in Azeroth The Lions Pride inn by the Headless Horseman.
Nobbel: The part about our holy places burning, that didn't happen.
Teldrassil: Am I a joke to you?
Tyler nothing of value was lost
Mortem Rex wat about all da big kitty cats 🐱?
Mortem Rex sure lives are not valuable at all.
Christopher Chuauhang you are beginning to understand
@@Rexwar31 You are beginning to sound like Stalin lmao
"Kill him, too"
"Gladly."
The voice acting is gold.
Yeaaah man, totally with you there
That "Gladly" came with a sadistic, malevolent, yet dignified tone.
The voice actor made a great delivery
Wc3 voices are far great compared to WoW
@@smiledog3975 a lot of the npc models too. wow kinda lost the more savage, brutal, serious and scary look of wc3.
He went from
"Oh no, i can't kill my brother!"
To
"Hell yeah, f**k this guy" really fast 😂
Still wish the Taking of Undercity from Wrath wasn’t taken out. Maybe as a scenario that could be started in the Seat of Knowledge like other scenarios.
Yeah, but they'd still have to dig up the old Undercity, which is the reason it was taken out to begin with. I don't see them making the effort for an over a decade old quest.
@@RileyRivalle2 what do you mean old Undercity?
freezaplanet419 They had to redo Eastern Kingdoms to enable flying in Cataclysm. The person meant pre-cata Undercity
@@RileyRivalle2 They dont need to "dig" it up. They already have it, they have a live classic version of WoW so they clearly have all the old map data and assets.
@Zac Scott
Don't you realize how much "digging" they had to do for Classic, though..? There's a reason it was in DEVELOPMENT, not just a copy-paste client. :D And WotLK Undercity isn't quite like Vanilla either. Like I said, it wouldn't be too hard but it wouldn't be worth the effort for a single old quest either.
Varimathras has more voices than I have in my head
Relatable
"the LORE works in mysterious ways.."
smoothly done, Nobbel..
I feel bad for the old God that landed on an asteroid. He be all like " I got a rock" and he would have to be his best old God self and corrupt the hell out of it. " Behold! My black.... um..... AREA!"
I just love this comment
I know "I got a rock" was supposed to be all depressed like Charlie Brown, but honestly I read this situation more like Invader Zim. Tiny little delusional Old God named Z'him, clinging to his void-scarred rock hurtling through space, cackling maniacally.
"I AM Z'HIIIM!!!"
"With this paltry force you mustered, a direct assault on his walls would be suicide."
Me: whosyourdaddy
First of the Fallen don’t forget warpten
"Or will it be slightly adjusted?"
Blizzard, proceeding to recon the entire game.
Still waiting for him to get the Xe'Ra treatment, so he can turn into a sarcastic lightforged bat with an existential crisis.
Sylvannas “I won’t sacrifice my freedom by shackling myself to you fools”
Also Sylvannas *Shackles herself to the jailor sacrificing her freedom*
Im still pissed about how horribly wasted he was in legion. And his voice acting got such a downgrade.
"Welcome to my kingdom of darkness" still sends a chill down my spine
"I'm always on the winning side." Was always my favorite line of his. It's so badass. He's either boasting his cunning in allegiances or boasting his power in saying his side wins simply because he is on it.
I would love if he said something hinting at the jailer.
@Ryan W That was the part that got me the most about it, actually. He's been tortured for years, is barely alive - and still isn't broken, is still a nasty asshole to the Shivarra, still gives the players premonitions that haunt them even YEARS after the fight. Imo it was done pretty well.
ok now we reached that point were we can say: Sargeras did nothing wrong
He did quite a lot wrong. Could have accomplished his goal without making himself look like a huge threat and burning everyone to death and turning people into Demons. If he just told us there were Old Gods screwing with Azeroth and helped us kill them everything would have been fine. We didn't even need his help after-all so imagine how quick it would have been if he did help. He must have wasted so much time and magic fighting wars of eradication on planets that probably would have did what he wanted if he'd just not been a big evil Demon Guy raining fire all over the planet.
@@LordProteus it has reason ya know
Old gods were corupting azeroth
When titans realized that old gods corrupted too much and if every old god dies Azeroth will die
So they decided to imprison
Since azeroth was counted stronger than sargeras and if it will be Void titan it would end universe
Sargeras feared this so he recommended just kill every sleeping titan but pantheon said No
So ye
This whole game is about communication problems. If characters had an extra line of dialogue between them that conveyed actual useful information it would all look very different
Omg now I feel bad for Detheroc
“We could have ruled this land *together* “
I love warcrafts lore. And your videos. You are amazing storyteller. And you have perfect voice for these kind of videos. Thanks for doing these.
Damn i wonder why this channel doesn't have 1 million subs
love how you use the classic wc3 instead of the reforged ones.
As if they made much difference
Cuen Funderburke just not to anger toxic people. Sure game us a buggy mess and wished for more. But it looks good.
@@SilentSpringz its toxic to be disappointed and let down by a failed remake? Sorry I guess
@@SilentSpringz Sure, i look good too. But i don't have alot to offer.
@Ryan W an personal oppinion has nothing with glasses or lack of brain. You are the one lacking the idea of people having diffrent taste. some people like high quality games others like pixel games and others inbetween. no need to make yourself stand out like a fool
Varimatheras was my grandmas favourite dreadlord
"but before we do that"
Was glad it wasn't a raid shadow legends ad
This made me miss legion.
the way you tell stories makes my head explode in confusion
Arthas to the dreadlords after the legion invasion: Bad news, you can't live here anymore
I wouldn't mind if shadowlands has small references to the legion,titans and old gods but I really hope the main premise is separate. The whole theory about the jailer being a dead titan is interesting but I really think they need to expand the story beyond that we can't keep having every expansion be " it was titans/demon/old gods the entire time"
Can't we, though? Because every expansion has been that. Literally every single one. It works as long as they're writing it competently, but that particular department has been lacking lately...
@@RileyRivalle2 but how long can they keep that going? The Titans are sealed away and The old gods on Azeroth destroyed every question about them has been answered. To just jump between those two every expansion will get very old. WoW lore is great when there is speculation and mystery. Even if we encounter new old gods it wouldn't interesting because we know they are just parasites instead of these unknowable ancient beings that exist outside the cycle of life and death.
@@DagothDaddy we still do not have anything about the shadow lords. We have seen a few of them and we know the old gods were sent by them... but they are the evil the burning legion wants to stop.
I feel we need to talk about them rather than the old gods strategies.
@@AnthonyJClink I get what they where going for with The void and everything but it's just not very interesting. It's mostly just The Fel but purple and gooey instead of green and on fire
Well thats sort of the lore from the Warcraft books. All of these fundamentals are what give the world its structure. Hell the void itself connects all of the Blizzard properties together to make the Blizzard Universe. Or if you don't count Heroes of the Storm the it still connects Starcraft and Warcraft since the Dark Templars and Void Elves both use the power of the void.
23:31 "...and the shattered mask hangs above your hearth"
Wait, did he actually mean the Helm of Domination and broken veil above the Northrend?
"I believe his name was Garabon or Gilithos or something. Human names all sound the same to me" that piece man! gets me every time =)))
By the time of the Nathrezim’s campaign quest in 9.1 there are just too many things that don’t make sense, i mean it’s clear that the jailer created the lich king and now we also know that the Nathrezims have always worked for Denathrius and so for the jailer, so why would Balnazzar, Detheroc and Varimathras wanted to kill Arthas and destroy the lich king, and why Arthas convinced Illidan to kill Tichondrius?
Ner'zhul aka OG lich king was rebelling ... Or something
Yep, this hapoens when you throw out all og blizz metalhead employees and replace them with gen z people who don't know which toilet to choose and never understood vanilla lore. Kek
This made me miss Warcraft 3 and its awesome storytelling and voice acting.
Maaan this could have all been so cool
Amazing lore video as always. I learned alot today
I'd really like to see an updated version of Lilian Voss's lore! Also this vid is great
i remember they said the demons do come back by themselves, but the spirit of argus speeds up that process. cant remember where though
"And the broken mask hangs above your hearth and then you will know" seems like a reference to the fact that sylvanis was going to break the lich kings crown
The voice is a small sacrifice to pay for the lore
Leave it to Nobbel, on making the story weave nicely together, while keeping to the real Warcraft cutscenes/cinematics. A true fan of Warcraft
11:08. Sylvanas totally did not learn from that and did the same thing in Burning of Teldrassil when she decided not to finish off Malfurion immediately XD
Blizzard’s writing has definitely gone downhill significantly over the last decade. They went from writing investing story arcs with compelling antagonists to predictable and dull plot lines with fan favorites just whacked with the villain stick and turned into cartoonishly incompetent baddies.
Why was Varimathris so scared of being killed by Sylvanas if he could just come back to life. She wins and he gets on all fours begging for mercy. It's not like she could have permanently killed him.
No matter what one might say about the games and movie, Warcraft always had amazing lore.
Varimathras fascinated me when i first played wow so long ago.
i used too love seeing him wipe alliance raids in the undercity.
i really hope they bring his story back into the game. the dreadlords were really cool
And this is why i changed from Horde to Alliance, after the world event during WOTLK (The Battle of Undercity) my leader Varimathras died.
To avenge him and help him reclaim his power, you secretly sneaked into Alliance that will in the end be the primary enemy of Sylvanas.
Clever.
This makes me feel really sorry for Ner'zhul, man went through literal hell
Yea props to Nerzhul, til this day i think he's the only creature to deceive "the deceiver". TWICE!
i don't think that gets enough credit
"Im always on the winning side"
"Not Really"
*Shadowlands*
"Well we havent seen him yet but yeah hes prob actually on the winning side :P "
He's the red soul that kills the arbiter
Gets tortured by 4 skimpy demon ladies with 6 arms for nearly a decade. Not bad.
Insert "Ugh I wish this was me" meme
Time flows differently where he was tortured... it could have been centuries!
This is so relevant to the new Shadowlands lore
With the book found one might think that Varimatras has left the path of the Dreadlords which could mean a deeper story for him.
Though the chances for that are small I would be super hyped for him to actually join us.
But Nobbel one of our holy places did burn aka Teldrassil :D, also the world soul just speeds it up although maybe Argus can stop there souls from obliterating themselves when their in the nether and still resurrect them
Hey Nobbel, have you ever considered uploading to spotify? I know I would definitely listen to your longer videos more frequently, if I didn't have to run youtube. *RIP battery life.*
Thanks!
You could convert and download some of his videos to audio files ahead of time, it'll be almost like an audio book. :D
Remember that time when Sylvanas was an anti-hero but still had honor and love for her people? Or when Kael'Thas was a good guy? Good times, WoW butchered the best characters. . .
I think you're giving Sylvanas a little too much credit, my guy. She never truly cared for the Forsaken - they were merely 'arrows in her quiver', tools to be used against Arthas. Even when she strove to secure their survival, it was only in order to prevent her eternal damnation by having them be her 'bulwark against the infinite'. And even if she really DID care about her people's future, I don't think that absolves her of the callous and brutal actions she committed during Warcraft 3 - wanting to protect your people is good, but not if you put everyone else on the chopping block to do so.
@@davidwilson2916 that is rewritten nonsense
kael was never ''good'' he was selfish to an extent but he cared for his people he was easy to manipulate cause of the sunwells issue but making him a downright villain was to out of no where
@@jeevesgeech6836 When was Kael'Thas selfish? He voluanteer to help humans reclaim Lordaeron and was misstreated abused and almost executed by Marshal Garithos, he only wanted to help his people, so he indeed took help from Vashj and joined Illidan. He never did a selfish thing as I recall, and Blizz turned him into a comical villain, who's evil for sake of being evil. . .
@@davidwilson2916 In that same story where she calls them arrows in her quiver, she realizes like two chapters later she does care for them and doesn't want to see them wasted in a suicide campaign. Sure, she wanted them to protect herself, but it's obvious she still cares about the forsaken. Then BtS happened and that all got thrown out the window.
The forge could be a Tothrezim.... I mean... Canonically they are the forgers of the race, right?
Thry are now head cannon/rpg lore i believe
If I have wings. Why am I always walking?
I can't remember ever seeing a dreadlord fly
Transmog runs deep
I guess he is actually fat XD
Do Tichondrius. I named my dread-tortoise after him.
I am Mal'Ganis... I AM A TURTLE!!
when it comes to the burning legion I do believe we will be seeing them again in the future. Nearly every dreadlord we have known throughout WoW died on azeroth during legion. They had to have gone back to the twisting nether and are still alive. Archimonde will also likely come back because despite what has been said he never died in the twisting nether. He died on alt draenor. Even the mythic only phase that isn't where he dies. He dies in the cinematic that plays upon his defeat.
Hey man I doubt you will see this but I thought something while watching your latest video. With the upcoming shadowlands expansion isn’t it very likely that the jailor is linked to the old gods or even the void/ shadow itself. We don’t know how long sylvannas has been in contact with him so isn’t it reasonable for her to have been in contact from the start. She is the one who is pivotal for ruining many of the burning legions plans. She has powers which no other banshee has, I mean she literally possessed her dead body and has been able to sustain it completely and then she starts using shadows itself. She has been in contact with the jailor since her death and has no doubt planned many times to free him or further his influence. There is so much that his involvement in her story would fill.
They been talking since the end of Wrath
man,I forgot Varimathras' lines about Sylvanas,it gives me the chills
”the shattered mask” well we know what that is now, we know what the betrayal thing is now, we know what ”holy places burning” means now
''Yes, hello? No I- for the last time, I am a DREADlord not a DRUGlord!''
Wait, I never knew that Varimanthas gave us hints already?
LMAO?!
Especially that word Throne of Hide and Skull=Orgrimmar's Warchief Throne.
A weird question,if he was tryin to summon the big boss in undercity without books or wells or anything,does that mean some strong dreadlord can go in some corner noone cares about and summon sargeras or an army without a care?
I applaud you for refusing to use Reforged cutscenes.
why would Varimathras try summoning Sargeras if he was on Denathrius and the Jailer's side all along, wouldn't it make more sense for him to wait until Sylvanas became warchief and side with her once she started working for the jailer ?? i honestly don't think he's defected from Denathrius but w/e .. i know Blizzard is pulling all the story moving forward out of their .... creativity
Yep, this hapoens when you throw out all og blizz metalhead employees and replace them with gen z people who don't know which toilet to choose and never understood vanilla lore. Kek
I want to hear ner'zul talking to the dreadlords about malganis
Lich king voice:No please dont punish me master,it won't happen again,ill be a good boy
19:41 Is this Tobirama's voice actor or?
Nice vid.
Also WC3 Refunded PTSD. Pls Nobbel
Where does Varimathras say those lines at 24:00? I've done Antorus a hundred times and never heard that before.
The demon’s source of resurrection being unclear is a shitty cop out. The nether either respawns them or Argus did not “feel free to speculate.”
i just figured out who the jailer reminds me of in the trailer!
he looks something like the Father of Arthas only a little more decked out in gear
I feel like they used the titan soul to resurrect demons that died in the twisting neather or areas infused with fell. That's why despite killing so many on Argus, they would keep poring out of antorous. Then any that don't die in those areas just resurrect like normal. That's how I like to think about it.
That makes a lot of sense.
I hope we see Mal'ganis in Shadowlands. His fate was never confirmed ;)
He was on the Burning Shore
25:09 only now I realized she did not just upgrade her powers.
Varimathras surely new that his brothers will get reborn in the nether.
Is Teldrissal considered a holy place? :O "Your holy places will burn..."
yes, to the Night Elves. Also, Zul did set fire to Stormwind Cathedral, although there was no permanent damage.
Sylvannas’s cutscenes are so iconic it’s a shame we didn’t get to see them in their new glory for reforged :(
i hope they dont kill her make her un killable villian i mean she has the very big built up as lore wise after illidan she is my favorite specially with her war tacts in bfa xD
@@ahmedsiddique2998 fuck her she's getting old and annoying as fuck.
WHEN does Varimathras give that speech in Antorus?? I've ran that dungeon several times on all difficulties and have NEVER heard him say that speech. I only know it exists from data mining. Has anyone actually heard it in-game??
Which one? The one from the alliance seeds of downfall is the audio i grabbed during recording him in antorus on alliance char. Haven't gone in on horde char but imagine hide of bones plays when they engage him.
It plays whenever you approach his room. Both Alliance and Horde lines play there once you jump down to his prison. It might not play if you are using stuff like stealth or invisibility but I am pretty sure it still works!
I'm confused. When Arthas killed Sylvanas, he wasn't the Lich King yet??
Arthas was a death knight then. When he got the helm, he was together with nerz'hul and then the lich king. :D At that time were he killed sylvanas, he got only frostmourne.
Thrones run with blood -Rastakan
Holy places burn- Teldrassil
Broken mask- Helm of Domination
I think Blizz will retcon Dreadlords, them being from Shadowlands.
Lekker filmpie hoor
What happened with the part about the alliance, who betrayed who??
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer... Lady Sylvanas in TBCC.
Triple agent Varimathras
Not sure if it is the accent but I thought the video speed was on 1.25x. I keep checking my options every few minutes
"When your holy places burn" (teldrassil)
"when the shattered mask hangs above your hearth" maybe the shattered mask refers to Helm of Domination and hearth (home).. actually azeroth ? this was planned al along as a passage for shadowlands ?
Or perhaps voljins mask which is shown hanging by some braziers in grommash hold
Shattered mask is just Sylvanas' or Forsaken sigil anyway.
The script for shadowlands has been in dev since early mop i assume. 2014-2015ish. Just like wrath of the lich king story was in dev when vanilla wow went live. Blizzard kinda wrap a story for years before going live
What is that animation at 2:50 ? I don’t think I’ve seen that before. Where can I find that?
Shadowlands better be worth all the this build up.
It won't be.
I'd start lowering your expectations now honey.
Cautiously optimistic is my approach to Shadowlands. Try not to hope for anything, because that's just more potential for disappointment. Wait and see what the alpha and beta brings. I'd even advise you not to preorder if you haven't yet.
just 1 i wanna see in the next Exp. that is motherf** Broxxigar!!!
Broxigar is already done I think
Don't you think the Nathrezim have relations to the Venthyr and Castle Nathria? Maybe that race originated from the Shadowlands.
Not bad.
Still wondering how they are going to handle the scourge going out of control.
Same here! With the Lich King's helmet destroyed, what will the scourge do? Rebuild their army piece by piece until they take over everything and wipe out all of azeroth?
I fear Blizz will turn the scourge into the weakest looking army ever and just say "oh the armies of azeroth are just stronger now than before and they can take care of the scourge easily now." -.-;
The story made it seem so important to keep the scourge controlled and make sure there is always a lich king holding them back, but now the king is defeated... sooo... yeah!
I use to love Sylvanas. She was so strong and willing to do anything for her new and old people. I know she's got a deeper plan to mess with the jailer but... I dunno.. her evilness has just gotten too evil
5:38 inhale at it’s finest timing.
Am I the only one that "watches" these while playing WoW and pretty much no other time? **edited, bit of dyslexia there
I watch whilie playing but i also put Nobbel on in the backround while i sleep
@@castin7918 well at least you don't watch him while touching yourself :P
@@jaratt85 bold of you too assume my life choices
@@castin7918 well, fuck
Oh yes, these make mountfarming (running through old raids) fly by. :)
You think the holy places didn't burn in battle for azeroth?
I seem to recall a really big really important tree being burned to the ground.
Pretty sure the night elves thought it was quite significant to them culturally.
Otherwise I'm not sure what Tyrande is all butthurt about.
The World Tree, Nordrassil?
BTW, did illidan bring argus next to azeroth or azeroth to argus. If latter the demons were killed in twisting nether and they are dead, if he brought argust next to azeroth they are not dead since azeroth isn't in the twisting nether. Am I right?
Despite the dubious graphical effect that makes it look like Argus and Azeroth was brought close together, it's actually just a giant portal in the sky. They should've kept the red outline in the sky to clarify that. When the portal was closed a small red "star" remained in the sky, the one we can still see now.
@@RileyRivalle2 Oooh, so Ol'Varrie is dead, duh duh duuuh
He should be! But I don't trust the writing team to be consistent anymore. :D
Any idea when Shadowlands will come to the PTR?
Holy shit I just realized this. Varaimathus was betraying the Forsaken to kill the Lich King. Most likely to destroy the Helmet right then and there for his Master. Damn another easter egg hint RIGHT IN FRONT US. Damnit Blizz I love the Shadowlands Lore so much lol
Sylvanas’s loa is pretty cool
does anyone know where the twisting neather is? is it just the name for outer space? is it a planet called the twisting neather. that always confused me and i feel like iv never been able to get an answer...
Sir nobbel can you make a full lore on Thrall?
I really genuinely think they excluded Varimathras from Legion on purpose. I think Sargeras placed Varimathras somewhere, OR the Nathrezim have always been double agents for the Void, seeing as how it was a Nathrezim, on an Old God dominated planet that corrupted Sargeras. Hopefully he shows up in Shadowlands.
Correction: he wasn't excluded from Legion; the Antorus raid is what Legion ended on. And also Sargeras wasn't "corrupted" in the way the term is used in Warcraft, it was in full control of himself the entire time.
@@RileyRivalle2 whoops, wrong Nathrezim. I totally meant to say Mal'ganis!
That makes way more sense. ^^ Mal'Ganis WAS summoned to Azeroth on the Broken Shore, though (when Gul'dan piled up all the baddies so we had to flee). Anything after that is fair game for speculation.
I wonder how Varimathras would interact with Nathanos. Him being the love interest of Sylvanas while Varimathras was with her from early on. He would probably troll him by saying "I know her better then you ever will. All those years of going over plans, among other things. She has a lot of spirit that one." He'll probably come back if the fans want it enough, Blizzard already ruined the lore with Light Undead so having a Dreadlord soul in Shadowlands wouldn't be too much stretch nowadays.
Nathanos already has been with her for much longer time, he went to the Undercity in Cata so it's like 5 expantions compared to 3 with Varimathras
Amandor that’s not even including the time they spent together when they were both alive either. Nathanos knows slyvanas fairly well
@@Amandor2011 True but Varimathras was with her when she was at her most vengeful. Nathanos knew her when she was alive and mellow and from Cata onwards when she became what we know her as now. The time when she and Varimathras were partners was when she was at her most raw, who knows how many plans they made together before his betrayal. Varimathras would use that to troll Nathanos and his love for Sylvanas.
Great video!
I wish you would use the Reforged cutscenes instead of these old pixelfests though.
What I don’t get is why varathras is a coward on Azeroth, he’s not in the twisting nether so he wouldn’t die and the dreadlord world isn’t blown up yet