Michelin Pilot Sport 4 vs Pilot Sport 4 S vs Cup 2. The differences tested and explained
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It's taken over a year, but it's finally here. What are the differences between the Michelin Pilot Sport 4, Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S and Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2.
The Pilot Sport 4 (MPS4 / PS4) and 4 S (MPS4S / PS4S) are the road tyres, with the 4 designed slightly more for comfort and the 4 S more suited to track work. The Cup 2 is the Michelin track day tyre and should be considered if you plan on doing a lot of track miles.
Any questions please ask below :)
Tyres tested in the video:
Michelin Pilot Sport 4 - www.tyrereviews...
Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S - www.tyrereviews...
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 - www.tyrereviews...
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You know someone really knows their stuff when they can thrash a car round a track AND provide nuanced feedback at the same time. These reviews must take a significant amount of planning and preparation and it shows.
Thank you :)
I'd say over a year...
When he's giving his review he's not pushing too hard or doing his timed laps you can see a few mistakes like lift off in the wrong places or gear change mid corner. He's just doing that bit for the camera.
Turbo Sam .
for me it means that he goes to slow. With proper speed there is no room for talking...
Where was this man when they recasted top gear?
Write to your local MP ;)
Mate I'm already halfway through creating a Change.org page
How can a tyre review be that interesting.... nice work!
Thanks!
How does this channel have 27K subscribers and crappy super cars of London have 700k+? Brilliant review keep em coming.
Paul from Supercars of London is a good friend of mine and does excellent work for what his audience enjoy watching. Sadly tyres are a little more niche so the growth is very slow but I'm glad you're enjoying the work :)
most people dont care about tyres at all, they just like shiny expensive cars
@@muumuumu Spot on.
Tyre Reviews I tell people about tires all the time I own 4x PS4 tires but all people are interested in is used 2nd hand £20 tires 😐
I only have 2, both on the nearside
Thank you for putting so much time and effort in to these videos, your information stands head and shoulders above so much internet dross :)
Thank you for your kind words :)
After lots of research I bought the Pilot Sport 4 for my A3 22540r18. Really pleased with them. Best tyres I have ever driven.
Because of your previous reviews I went for the PS4 in 18" on our C4 Grand Picasso for the wet and braking performance. The other week during a sudden downpour on the motorway there was no hint of aquaplaning and they felt like I was driving on a dry road. The previous Bridgestones would have had us sliding into another lane like they once did before. Thanks and keep up the great reviews 👍
They're awesome tyres, glad you're enjoying them!
Well that was the best tyre comparison I´ve ever seen. Precise, to the point, and the subjective feedback was highly relevant as well. I am super satisfied with my latest set of MPS4. They appear exactly as you review them here. I now know which tire to go for if I need track tires. Thanks a lot for this superior review TyreReviews! I will make sure to recommend this channel to all car and tire geeks I know!
That's very kind of you to say, thank you :)
Thank you for this content. Finding a constructive impartial tyre review is almost impossible but you do it and do it well! Keep up the good work, fellow tyre geek.
Simply stunning. The definitive comparison.
Cheers bro :)
Tyre Reviews Drone footage, track rental, camera crew, 3 sets of tyres! It must have cost you a small fortune!
Those pilot sports are bloody good. I have only used michelin for the last 10 years. Yes they are expensive but there is a reason they are, not gonna change ever
And that review is cream of the crop! Once in a generation, does a voice speak so clearly.
I just replaced my Bridgestone ER33 with Michelin PS4 for my car. Much quieter, vibrations are dampened, slightly less often tyre slip when hard accelerating from a complete stop or going uphill. All the more pleasure it is to drive now! I highly recommend this tyre!
What car did you put them on?
Dude, underrated channel, this production deserves AT LEAST hundreds of thousands of audience.
I purchased the sport 4S on my 2016 Focus ST back in July and I'm happy with them for a daily driver. Coming off the Eagle F1 which had tighter grip for sure, they were just too loud and stiff for the commute back and forth from work, not to mention $60 more a tire. I've noticed that the Sport 4S makes allot of grinding noise without breaking loose. I've yet to try them on the track. Overall I'm happy with the ride quality and noise reduction they offer, even if it is at the sacrifice of the better steering and response the Eagle F1s had. Given the ride quality, it's no surprise there sports feel a tad slushly in the hard corners.
Focus ST lmao
Next mod on the Evo will definitely be a set of PS4S. Thank you for the awesome review!!
Let me know how you get on with them!
Two hours ago bought Ps 4 to my FiST. Mostly commuting/only couple of trackdays . Thanks for informative review.
This guy does the most meaningful, timely and enjoyable tyre reviews! It's like he reads my mind and knows the tyres that I'm interested in
Thanks :)
I went from p zero’s to PS4S and I’m in love with how comfortable the PS4S feels when spirited driving compared to the pzero. Even on a regular drive of 50mph and below the tires still feel way better, which I was expected based off the many reviews. I’d definitely buy ps4s again
Thanks for the great info! If you ever get time it would be great if you could leave a review at www.tyrereviews.com/submit.htm 😊
the basic PZero? And what about noise? What width? :)
@@kleroooo I’ve had Pzero Nero and regular Pzero as far as road noise. I don’t really hear the PS4S as much as the Pzeros. Grip of the PS4S is so much better, and work well enough in the rain even at high speeds gradually. Only downside I would say is they’re expensive and wear out easily if you’re constantly giving them the beans lol. If you’re looking for all around great preforming and semi decent lasting tire I’d say the PS4S is a must. Obviously they’ll last longer depending on how you drive. The size I got 305 in the rear and 285 in the front all around PS4S
@@a5oh410 Thank you! Finally, i got an important input for my choice. My rear is 285 wide, and earlier I had a PZero. Felt fine regarding noise and comfort. Now I have a Hankook S1EVO3, but the feeling is much worse(very wobbly and dull) and a lil bit harsher and noisier. (on the other hand it destroys the Pzero in rain. it's like I'm driving on a dry road, that perfect. The PZero was dangerously crap, never buy it again)
I was hesitating between PS4 and PS4s. I didnt want even bumpier and noisier tires. But also did not want to have dull ones.... So what you wrote regarding PS4S and PZero in the same size...now it is a nobrainer that Ill buy the PS4S! THANK YOU!
@@kleroooo yes sir! Let me know how you like them when they come it.
Great review and quality content, for those who care about tyres.
Thank you!
Another VERY interesting and useful video mate, just wish I could get cup 2s on my 140... Cheers man
Borrow my wheels ;)
Cup2 still my preferred high performance road / track day tyre. I haven’t yet found anything else that does both so well. Many better track tyres, but they’re horrific on the road, noisy, harsh and poor in the wet. Conversely there are better road tyres but none that don’t melt on the track immediately! Cup2 is justifiably expensive!
I have PS4s on my E46 330Ci on 18s and I absolutely love them. Fantastic tyres and would definitely buy again. Great in the dry, more than adequate in the wet. Drove from the south of England to Nurburgring in the summer, had a bit of newbie fun over three laps and drove back. Can’t really fault them!
I actually struggle to rate them against Yoko A008s I have on my classic Mini on 10s, but I wouldn’t really expect to - both fantastic tyres in their own right.
Very informative as always, keep up the good work :)
Would love to see a cup2 vs AD08R vs RE71R vs R1R comparison, or how tire pressure affects steering feel and handling of a car.
On the lists for next year :)
How about pirelli trofeo r vs michelin sport cup 2 ?
I just got these for my 2 rear tires on a M6 gran coupe Im glad to hear such a good review on them $415 each for 305/30/20 here in Long Island NY
Ouch!
So: PS4S as a daily & Cup 2 if you do track days... or the PS4 if you need an extra couple % in comfort.
Essentially yeah :)
@@tyrereviews so question: PS4 for an AMG GLA45 driven by a fairly lazy motorcyclist. I love my comfort but the ability to clip a few apexes on the back roads is about my limit.
And finally the killer question, the GLA45 like the whole of the GLC range scrubs its tyres on cold weather early morning getting it out of the garage and onto the road. It’s on the original (down to 3mm on the front) Continentals. Should I make the change to PS4 for a new pair on the fronts? If so will it stop the scrubbing or exacerbate it?
Answers on a postcard as they used to say 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
This is one of the best reviews I've seen recently for anything. Tires (Tyres) are a tough subject to review and provide decent information. You pulled it off perfectly! Great Job. I subscribed to make sure I see great commentary.
I wanted to provide a bit more information to help regarding tire performance. A friend of mine and I do autocross. I have an F-Type (2017 BDE), and he has a 2017 Shelby 350 GT Mustang (a great track car). We both wore out our tires doing track day events and autocross, and he's been chasing my times when we both had Pilot Sport 4S's. He changed it up and got the Cup 2's and I found myself chasing him. Those tires really do make up the difference when it comes to track times. I loved the subjective review. Very well done.
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for the kind words
Great review. This has mirrored my opinions on the PS4. Fantastic everyday tyre with loads of grip in all conditions but for me was too dull and an a bit vague at times for how I like to drive. Ended up replacing them with Cup 2s due to not having PS4S or SC6 in 18" sizes and they are simply on another level for sport driving. Looking forward to your future content!
Glad our data agrees :) Side note, the SC6 is coming in 18" soon
Just discovered this channel. I'm already impressed by the production and information given with no BS!
FANTASTIC REVIEW from a very competent, expert driver! The technical information is spot on also. I replaced the stock Continentals with the MPS 4S for my 2018 M2 with great confidence. This is my daily driver in a location that gets a lot of wet weather. This is one of the best tire review channels out there...
Thank you for the kind words, glad you like the Michelins
The most under-rated channel ever, Deserves way more subs. Thank you for your service!
Thank you for your kind words :)
Fantastic video. Definitely made me less bummed out by the fact that I have 18" wheels and can't put the PS4S on. The PS4 seems to be the best option for the road, thanks for sorting that out.
Can't wait for your upcoming winter tyre tests. Make sure to include some nordic tyres, such as the Goodyear UltraGrip Ice 2, Continental Conti Viking Contact 6 and the Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 for us Scandinavians : )
Living in the UK I've very little opportunity to test the Nordic winters, but it's something I'm going to speak to tyre manufacturers for next year as there's certainly a market outside of the UK :)
I understand. Thanks for considering it. Keep up the good work!
The roads where I live are too shit for 19" wheels anyway - as it ison 18" I seem to end up having to get one or more wheels repaired from pothole damage every couple of years, 19" would just get destroyed.
I've been using Bridgestone tires for 15+ years and I'm switching to ps4s this time. Thanks for amazing video
No problem 👍 Let me know how you find them
That's a larger difference between the PS4 and PS4 S than I was expecting. Makes me feel justified in sticking to my 19'' wheels, seeing as we can't get 18'' PS4 S tyres in the UK.
Thanks for another great video. I think you're the only channel that does tests like this, which is a strange situation considering the amount of 'which tyre' threads you see all over the forums and FB groups. Keep up the good work!
Glad you found it useful :)
I just put the PS4 on my 2012 Mazda 3. It's a huge step up from the previous tires, Primacy 3. Love them so far.
Feel free to leave a review over at www.tyrereviews.com sometime :)
I have Michelin PS4 on my summer car. They're phenomenal. I also have cross climates on everyday car. Michelin are the best!
Great video. I searched for this after swapping the PS4S out for PS4 on my GR Yaris due to down sizing.
The combination of more side wall and PS4 on my new wheels feels amazing. Better comfort and brilliant in the wet.
Not miss the handling?
@@tyrereviews I think I would if I were be driving on track but on the poor British roads the more forgiving sidewall of the ps4 feels better.
Had the same experience just went from 235/35/19 to 245/40/18. Extra sidewall has made potholes so much less painful and the overall ride is way better.
Actual grip levels are pretty much the same I don’t care about any change in lean or delay.
Awesome work as always!
Great review.
Would be great to see a test of fwd vs rwd vs awd and how different tyres suit certain drive trains better.
On the list :) Such a test is very difficult to qualify, but I'm going to try and make it work.
Tyre Reviews,
Appreciate the time and effort you put in! 👍
Tyre Reviews As one of many many CSI, FiST FoST and GTI owners, I was very happy to see a performance fwd car with these 3 tires compared.
Just subscribed the other day hoping for a ps4s v psc2 review, and Im jazzed that it came a couple days later and with a car like mine. Keep up the fantastic work!
Man you're superhuman or something, to drive like that and talk so clearly and calm... you've got a rare talent.
Thank you :))
Bought 4 new 'Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S' tyres for my Scirocco! Love these tyres! Amazing grip, handling, and also they look awesome!
Glad you're enjoying your tyres :)
What tire did you run before?
Tcuel Continental Contact Sport 3’s! Sorry for the late reply!
Thank you :)
Bought 4 New Pilot Sport 4 for my mazda 3 MPS 2008, the lateral.acceleration and braking are amazing, though definitely a huge drop in road feedback compared to the Pilot Super Sports that Ive had the last 3 pairs.
Any idea why? Why would Michelin drop the road feedback so much?
Thanks again for the putting your time and efforts in making these videos, although it's only 13 minutes long it takes weeks, even months to put this together.
Two weeks ago I commented on another video of yours. I had my S2000 fitted with PS4S in 215/45 R17 and 245/40 R17 which I imported from the US. I'm used to PSS on my GT86 and thought this would be the best choice. However I ran into huge understeer and the back was to planted, it was no fun. So I sold the tires and ordered myself PS4's in experimental sizes: 225/45 R17 in the front and 235/45 R17 in the rear. These tire sizes lifted the car by +- 0.6mm due to the higher sidewall. But changing to the PS4 in these sizes made the balance so much better. It's much more neutral than before. But I was shocked by the grip the PS4 offered. I'm very picky om my tires and was pleasantly surprised. The tires were also half the price of the PS4S which I imported from the US. I was a bit doubtful on the PS4 as I tried it before on the GT86, and it gave me a faulty view as I combined them with 2 PSS tires. When I putted the PS4 on the front and the PSS on the rear I had massive understeer. If I reversed that and put the PS4 on the back I had huge oversteer. I think the PSS has a sidewall that is just a little bit more stiff and squared in comparison to the PS4. So people, if you try new tires always chose to replace all four tires!
A good post and glad you're finding your ideal tyre setup :)
Awesome review. Just got the 4S's on a MK3 TTS. The feedback, and grip vs the OEM bridgestone s001 is absolutely night and day! Interesting to see how they compare to the 4 as well! All fantastic tyres.
Glad you're enjoying them :)
Those bridgestones s001 give up traction suddenly at the limit. Very frightening. I went with continental extreme contact sport tires. It was an amazing difference
This reviewer is the whole reason I went from primacies to pilot sport all season 4 on my accord v6.
And I have no regrets, even in the snow. (And we just got 18 inches up here, and once I dug out and got into the road, so long as I was careful with the throttle, the pilot sport all season 4 was brilliant!)
Now, how to find one of these in a 215/55/17 for summer time 😁
Glad you liked them :)
I often drive in rain (because I live in Sweden) so I think I'll go for the 4S. Also, understeer is not a problem (M3 E46)
Just had my Evo X tyres replaced with PS4 after watching this video. OEM tyres were Dunlop SP Max and its noisy as hell. Thanks for your video review and I made the right choice.
simply the best tyre review video i have ever seen , keep up the great work , western australia
Thank you sir!
Thanks for taking the time to put this together. It's a great video, all the important info and far better than other tests I've seen. A perfect choice of tyres to compare, given Michelin's baffling decision to deny us the PS4S in 18" sizes. Possibly the best road tyre ever made, unavailable in a very common spec. Sort it out please Michelin!
Thanks for the kind words! 18" ps4s is available in America,hopefully we'll get them soon!
Precisely the review I’ve been waiting for. It’s good to have confirmed that the 4 isn’t the poor relation of the 4S that so many claim it to be as I can’t buy a 4S here in Australia in the size I need for my car. Many thanks.
Glad you found it useful :)
Sucks right? I was forced to get the 4 too at 225/40/18, had PSS on 4 at 3 different times and they were amazing, fantastic feedback.
The 4 is super fast amazing lateral grip but much less road feedback compared to the PSS, if you're going through a round about real fast the PSS gives you much more precise control, the 4 you dont feel the tyres near as much.
11:00 - our man truly loves his job! Cuddling up with the sticky tires for the outro. 🤗 ❤
Seriously - thank you for all the time and work you put into these. I had a 10-yr amateur racing career, and I've had/built/calibrated a lot of performance cars (engine and chassis calibration are my specialties)...and I don't think I have your sensory perception for all the little behavioral changes by changing between tires that are all within ~1 second of one another.
You have a gift, and you're running with it! Cheers from TX. 🍻 ✌
I have the 4S on my MUSTANG GT and on my BMW M135i before - they are AWESOME !!!
@Andrew normal 4 itself can wear pretty quick , 4s even bit softer compound = even bit quicker
Found your channel just this morning, that’s the content I’ve been seeking for a long time
Glad you're finding it useful :))
Excellent review. I think the best tyre review I have ever seen. Great knowledgeable details. Excellent videography, sound. I wish I could give you 1000 thumbs up.
haha thank you, you're too kind.
As French I don't understand all the things you say but it still very interesting. I put pilot sport 4 on a bmw 130i (manual), I don't go on track and they are very good tyres on open road. I used to have bridgestone potenza and the michelin are much much better. Congrats for your videos very good job.
Merci!
Very professional video! You can see that some thought was put into it, to also do a subjective rating and to have an overlay with the tire name in the video during the driving scenes.
Great review , I recently helped a friend to put Cup 2s on his M5 CP and he says the tyres are brilliant and turned a car into a different beast in the corners.
Great choice, that must be amazing!
Totally agrees with my subjective experience of the Sport Cup 2s on a Focus RS - they are not great in the wet!
In summer time most of the time road is dry 😉
How you can tell he's a pro:
-how calm and collected/controlled he stays even in the most demanding driving conditions & situations
-how he sits; super stirdy & stuff, so there is no flex in his body messing with the cars movement.
-how he can just talk while driving fairly quickly ➡️ this is not his first time doing this & he probably knows the track pretty good by now.
Thank you!
PS4 is an excelent tyre, but it really overheats too quickly. nice review!
Real time feedback and multiple high end tires, how can you lose? Honest reviewing may not make some happy, but I have no complaints. Love the 4S regardless. Keep this coming!
I really hope this video becomes a data-reference point
I believe it's the only reference point currently! :)
Tyre Reviews l meant it in a renowned-dictionary kind of way
I think it already is. Feedback is good for any company that wants to stay competitive in the market.
Man, you saved hours of studying to me. Me and my MB GLK 350 with 255/40/r20 thank you by chosing PS4
Pleasure, let me know how you find them :)
just bought a pair of Michelin ps4 thank you for you're rewiev !
Great video! I have an F30 BMW and the wife’s car primarily. Added the PS4S tires and thrilled with the quality and handling improvements over the Pirelli PZero all seasons. Can’t imagine how fun the Cup2 tires would be. Thanks again!
You can now watch Cup 2 VS Cup 2 R here! ua-cam.com/video/BGlivTy4Ydg/v-deo.html
Tyre Reviews You should’ve make it a blind test on the track. The “road feel” or “track feel” doesn’t worth anything when you test it with preconception.
Please RE71R.
Could you please test N rated Potenza S02? I am choosing between this and PS4 for Porsche 944. I also am for blind tests.
Sadly the S02 is such an old tyre now there's no way I'd get it into a group test. I used to love the S02, it was one of the last great bridgestone tyres!
Excellent analysis. Based upon the relative times you got, PS4S to me those are the overall winner. I think the compare of PS4S and RE71R would be interesting. Subbed.
I had the Cup2s on my FK8 Civic Type R. They're absolutely insane in dry conditions. In the wet tho I had to drive noticeably slower and more careful. But with them only in the front and SportContact6s in the back it was really interesting to powerslide a FWD car.
Sounds... yeet.
@@tyrereviews It is! And that's why everyone who says that FWD cars are no fun are dead wrong. They just suck at driving.
Great review, these tyre reviews are so important, glad you went with the focus st, great drivers car.
I really enjoyed the Focus!
I work at Mira as my day job and have done many a lap of that circuit (in my own BRZ too on special events) and can confirm it is a super abrasive surface!
Awesome video, still hasn’t helped me decide on the tyre for my boosted and wide BRZ... on my 18x9.5 wheels before I ran the PS4 religiously.. now I’m going up to 18x11 I’m toying with the idea of running the Cup 2’s, the only thing holding me back is how good the PS4’s feel in the wet in the road...
Well, the video shows you my thoughts :) It's definitely a trade in performances, I probably wouldn't street cup 2's at this time of year.
Had to settle for the Sport 4 for my M Coupe on 17" wheels, would have liked the 4S :)
I wish everyone could describe and show vehicle dynamics the way you do, it's excellent. Love your thorough work, you're a great driver, and your work on tires is invaluable and exciting, yet you're also just an asset to the automotive world!
Really appreciate the kind words :)
I've just discovered this channel. Great reviews!
I use 4s on my Audi S4. Love those tires during summer. The wet grip is insane. We had a downpour not long ago where I couldn’t see 30ft in front of me on highway. Doing 80mph no issues. Dry grip is amazing. For street performance tire I will go with 4s all day. Wet grip is extremely important for the street. I was shocked just how good the 4s did there. Had other summer tires before and no comparison
Shawn Martin - doing 80mph in a 30ft viz downpour? Do you have a death wish?
@@gaycha6589 No I have confidence in Audi awd and my tires. I would not attempt this in 2wd lol That would be a death wish. You should see how I drive my S4 during heavy snow storm. That does get sketchy sometimes lmao
This test is what i've been waiting for!!!
(Even though i still believe in my Pilot Sport HP Primacy)
The Primacy HP has been replaced twice now!
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Linearly. Great word. So many today do not know what adverbs are let alone how to use them correctly.
So many today do not know the correct use of internal punctuation.
I thought I'd made it up
Amazing review !! Next up i think should be Pirelli pzero vs the new pzero 4. You dont have a lot of info on the new pzero 4 .
Thanks :) Working on it!
Having owned a 2017 GT350 with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires, great video not only explaining the differences of the tire but actually showing the differences on a track was excellent
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it :)
I’d love to see a review on the PS4 vs PSS (since I can’t fit the others).
What is wrong with the one posted February last year on this channel? ua-cam.com/video/F65rXOlS2f8/v-deo.html
I believe the PS4S replaced the PSS.
That's the PS4S vs PSS. It will be a good video to watch though as it will give you an idea between all three tyres, sadly not directly. I doubt I'll get chance to do PSS vs PS4 at any point :(
PSS is almost the same as PS4S, so basically if you watch this video you'll see that a standard PS4 is a little softer, a little better in the wet and a little more comfortable. I had PSS and PS4 in the same sizes, and the PS4 definitely wasn't as crisp and agile as the PSS, but it was quieter and more comfortable.
I need one comparison between ps4 and xbox
Great comparison! I just bought the sport 4 for my Charger R/T and happy with my purchase. It's a daily driver with a few moments of shenanigans. Thank you!
Thank you for this review it was very informative I have the 4S on my new 2019 bullitt but have not done any performance driving as I am breaking it in for the first 1000 miles.
Nice car!
Tyre Reviews thank you very much is there a review of the NItto 555 G2 in the future?
We don't get the Nitto brand in the UK, but it's something I'll look at doing in the future in America :)
Tyre Reviews Thanks that would be much appreciated I am going to subscribe to your channel feel free to check out my videos on the bullitt if you wish
That’s SO useful - thanks so much.
Have my 435D on awful run flats and, after only 4000 miles, have a bubble on the OSF! 😖
Time to start the transition me thinks, and I had it in my head I needed the 4S’s, but as it’s my daily drive and the lease company won’t let me do track days or anything, clearly the straight 4 is best for me, which is going to save me money as well. Thanks again - great video. 👏👏👏👏
Only subd recently but i'm really appreciating this in depth quality content! Would just like to know, are/were you a professional racing driver? The amount of information and feel you can get out of a car is amazing.
Thank you :) Never been a professional (as in paid) but I used to do a lot of karting and track days, and I race from time to time if someone wants to give me a seat! Sadly I can't afford to hobby race it's too expensive :(
Great test, but I can' t wait to see comparison test between Michelin Pilot Sport 4 and Michelin Primacy 4
Wish they did PS4 S for all us Fiests MK7 ST owners out here!
Well that's saved me a google haha what's the best one for the mk7 instead? Ps2?
Thinking of getting a set of PS4’s on my E91 320d, it’s the only one of the 3 that exists in my size. From what I’ve heard, they’re amazing and they’ll be more than good enough for a diesel daily.
Lots of grip :)
Informative and perfectly shot.
Glad you enjoyed it :)
i bought a set of ps4, for daily road driving, so this is track testing review im happy i got them, ps4s was more costly. but im not going on track so its a good video
Excellent review as always. I'm curious though as to how the Giti GT3R , recently reviewed in one of your videos, would compare with the 4s. Driving a FWD heavy hot hatch with more than 350 bhp (focus RS mk2) can make the 4s's side wall feel a bit on the soft side and Cup 2 is not an trouble free every day option (at least not where I live). Regards.
That is a test I really want to do. At a guess I would say the GTR3 will be sharper in the dry and worse in the wet but I'm not sure how much. Keep an eye on tyre reviews instagram as I'm about to try the GTR3s on my own M3 as a daily.
Looking forward to that
THANKS FOR ANSWERING THIS MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION!
The 4S is the one that makes the most sense for those that will track their cars occasionally. Its wet performance gives up nothing to the 4 and its dry performance gives up very little to the Cup 2 (most of it seems to be in the braking dept and not the handling itself) while the 4 does give up a lot.
Me? I don't track anything except for the occasional straight 1/4 mile race ('Murica!). The 4 would be just fine for me, thank you.
Freedom confirmed
You're a legend. Great review! Wish it was a little earlier actually as I just put the PS4 on my Focus ST! Haha. Was amazed to see your video. I've noticed that vagueness you mentioned on turn in too. Just a little softer than the factory Goodyear F1s and not as darty into a corner. But, in Australia too like the UK, the 4S is 19 inch up so couldn't get them for my stock wheels. The 4 was good value too.
Could I ask what Psi you ran the tyres at?
Thanks again!
We ran stock pressures on all three sets, I can't remember what that was at the moment! We had to use 235/40 R19 for this test too, the stock size is 235/35 R19.
@@TassieLorenzo go for mhc2 they are fookin flawless on rwd awd or fwd cars.. Pirelli Corsa is the only close thing but they wear much quicker..
@@tyrereviews Thanks. Late reply sorry. I was trying to decide whether to put the Good Years back on the car (focus ST) again down the track or not. Definitely not as comfortable as the ps4 but do feel a fraction sportier. Wish Michelin did a 4S in an 18"!!
No one else seems to cover this, so thanks and good job! Now I know what to replace my Michelin Pilot Super Sports with! (the P4S)
Let me know how you find them :)
Great Review! Can we say PS4 are like PremiumContact6 and PS4S are like SportContact6?? Thanks in advance
That is exactly how they're positioned :)
That's the way Continental wants to sell PremiumContact 6, but it seems an inferior sport tire when compared to the SportContact 5 specially in wet handling and wet traction. This might be related to changes in the Premiumcontact 6 compound to improve longevity. Sadly the bigger brother the SportContact 6 is not available in 18" sizes. So although the SportContact 5 is an older tire, it might be a better choice than the premiumcontact 6 for someone wanting a sport tire from continental in 18" size. Correct me if I'm wrong. Cheers.
The PremiumContact 6 is both against the Primacy 4 & the Pilot Sport 4 while the SportContact 6 is both against the Pilot Sport 4 S & the Pilot Sport Cup 2
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Great review! I've just changed the front tyres of my M4 Comp from Pilot Super Sport to PS4S and the PS4S feel notably more comfortable and compliant.
Which tyres did u have on the rear? I can’t seem to find a OE ps4s for rear…
Do you maybe remember the size they had? Been trying to look for the size on the b-rolls but didn't managed to spot it so far.
I think we were running 225/35 R19 in all tyres
@@tyrereviews Gee, i thought those were 18's. Looks fairly small on the ST. Thanks anyways and have a nice christmas mate. Looking forward for what's to come from you in 2020.
You should've included the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3's as I had those tires on my 2016 Mustang GT and it was amazing! It's an average $400CAD+ (Per/Tire) tax in which is still expensive but worth every dollar and will last 3 full seasons from late early spring to late fall driving, approx 24 months of full driving before low tread wear!
Sadly we don't get them in the UK!
PS4 S FTW 👌🏼
Great review as always! No nonsense comparison! 💪🏼
Wish Michelin would pull there finger and make more, much needed sizes!
Would love to see a comparison video with the top rated “run-flat” tyres
Keep up the good work!
I'd love to do a runflat test too, definitely speaking to people about it
Very interesting indeed, having driven all of the tyres at some point but on a variety of cars it was hard to make absolute assessments. On the Boxster S, I found the standard 4 a little soft at the front and didn't give that incredible front end precision Porsche are known for. In fact I found the 4 slightly behind the N rated PS2 that had been on previously, they are quite a stiff tyre though!
The PSS and PS4S are almost indistinguishable to me on an F80 M3 on track. They seem to do much of the same work. Its possible the PSS stays on form a tiny bit longer but hard to be precise about that one.
The Cup2 are always good fun, but my experience is that they don't actually hold up that well on heavier cars, or cars with a lot of aero grip, as repeated track work has the cup2 almost eating its tyre walls to the point where you can't even read the text any more. The M3 in particular just liked chewing up cup2's.
I'd be interested in knowing your thoughts of the cup2 vs the newer Dunlop Sport Maxx Race 2, as on track the dunlops seem to hold up significantly better, with better shoulder wear, high levels of grip throughout the session, and decent wet performance. I'd go as far as to say I believe them to now be the superior tyre (was always a cup2 fanboy before). I think Michelin are probably due an update of the cup2 as it's getting on a bit!
Amazing comment!
Interestingly, if the 4 on the Boxster was N rated, it was probably more like the aftermarket 4 S than 4 due to the Porsche changes.
I've done a PSS vs PS4S video and you're right it's very close, I would expect the PSS to hold on a little longer so your assumption should be correct.
The good news is the Cup 2 has just been updated, it's called the Cup 2 R and should address some of the issues the Cup 2 has on heavier cars.
I've not tested the Race 2 back to back but in isolation it's an amazing tyre! I'm planning a big test with them in early next year.
Another one i'll look forward to watching.
The PS2's on the Porsche where N0 rated but at time of release there were no N rated PS4, so it was a standard retail tyre. It was a tad softer than the N0 rated PS2, but that's likely because that generation of PS2 wasn't hugely far off a PSS in road performance.
I'm imminently purchasing a Clio Cup for dedicated track use, and the same questions come up about tyre choice. Cup2 looking like the best in that size at the moment.
I may have missed it, but have you done any videos on the smaller end of the dedicated track tyre market? e.g. those being fitted to Caterhams, Radicals, Westfields and so on. The old R888R, ZZS, ZZR and AD048 debate? That's a topic I'd have lots to talk about ;)
Keep up the great work, and if you're ever coming to knockhill again, say hi!
Shrink1061 how are you finding the sport maxx race 2 in terms of comfort and noise relative to the Cup 2?
Kurt Phillips having never had them in the same car back to back it’s very hard to be all that comparative. What I would say is that in 20 and 21” sizes on a 991.2 gt3 RS, they were perfectly comfortable
On road and didn’t feel crashy. Given what they are capable of I’d say they are comfortable enough!
Shrink1061 fair enough, thanks for the feedback! Do they take much warming up to get to their optimum grip level? One thing I've loved about Cup 2s is they don't take much at all for them to go from already impressive grip to their optimum level, even in cold (dry) weather.
Incredible video and testing. I recently bought a set of PS4's for my Audi A3 8P and they are amazing. Perfect roadcar tyre as they provide a lot of stability and confidence, yet they are comfortable and subtle.
Glad they're working for you :)
Pirelli P0 = 16000 km ! Goodyear Eagle F1 = 33000 km ! Michelin Primacy 3 = 54000 km !!
Didn't know how much I needed this video. Tremendous work! Got yourself a new subscriber.
Awesome, thank you
What about trofeo r vs cup 2? Trofeos should be better
It will happen next year, but probably against the new Cup 2 R which should match / beat the Trofeo R!
Trofeo still sketchy as hell in anything but perfect dry, and they can be snatchy at the limit, where cup2 is a bit more progressive. I'd like to try more cars on the new Dunlop Race 2's as they impressed me highly when mounted to a GT3 RS. Almost no sidewall flex, much better shoulder wear, excellent grip and they aren't terrifying in the wet.
Pirelli still lagging a big behind the game IMHO.
And it would be great to see some asian tyres like ad08r or a052 and rs-3/4 in this comparison
Must be fun, to trash tyres. What I'd do is buy cheap tyres and destroy them on track.