If you’d like to learn more about the Ecological Approach mentioned in the video, here’s my video applying it to pickleball: ua-cam.com/video/__FyDy3Muwo/v-deo.htmlsi=1pENedpCtecZv_SG And my coach I learned it from (who has been largely credited with introducing it to and teaching in grappling): youtube.com/@standardjiu-jitsu6031?si=bvUb5i4bnk_9ayKF Thanks everyone for watching.
Dang i am impressed the quality the analysis the slow mo.. great job. Fyi, my injuries have nothing with my techniques. The picklroll copy cat that injured me twice in Vegas and in Milwaukee. I literally popped my knee cap bc the surface moving underneath and I couldn't slide. Pkroll or alike surface only work at amateur level not at pro level Cant give my secret away but again i train all grips at the net. Why i use one but another bc of choice. 1 dimension and banger. It seems now Hunter Johnson changed his game ripping winners at every where on the baseline. The game has changed rapidly from a rec game to super athletic professional racquet sport. Hate it or love it the the new game will stay. Your favorite players might not be there.
Quang, appreciate the comment man. 100%, we don’t see the full picture or story behind your movements, choices, etc. Without context we’re just making our best assumption so I appreciate the considerate response and you even including the part about the injury, considering you don’t owe anyone an explanation. You’re the one who earned the spot on the stage, not anyone here in the comments. As long as you’re still there! All the best with your recovery, and enjoy life in LV.
@avatar_ball_bender Quang, I watched and followed your games from MLP and PPA YT since I begin PB, I think I began PB around similar time frame you appeared from PPA. Big fan of you, I always try to follow your serve and groundstroke and 2HBH form, but my 3.8 rating skill level and 40 yrs old age makes me looks looks totally different something silly :) But still, I'm happy to watch your play, and find myself fun and enjoy the play while trying to follow your drives and 2HBH. Thanks to be my inspiration. I wish the best for you & your family, your next season, and wish the perfect recovery. Good luck! And thanks for this video @buildingpickleball!
Non dominant hand is used to get the full unit turn, kept on the racket(paddle) to allow for the dominant hand to stay loose and then the end motion starts the uncoiling and then becomes a counter weight essentially ( like in physics when the professor spins on a chair with a soccer ball out, then pulls in to go faster). All from tennis
Huh, that is interesting and helpful. As someone who didn't play tennis growing up (baseball, basketball etc), this is something I don't think I ever picked up on, but makes a lot of sense
Wrist lag is one thing that stands out to me. The way he points his butt cap directly at the ball precisely at the very end of his back swing or at the very beginning of his forward swing. This is crucial to remember in a lot of top spin shots with or without pace. Every time I remember to apply this it benefits my game. He's got it in his muscle memory for sure. Repetition and drilling.
QD is a true "phenom". Was sorry to see him have to drop out at San Clemente. Can't wait to see his "little" Brother play. Hope QD's knee fully recovers. Great job on the breakdown.
His style of forehand is killing his legs. He took the ball lower than a normal waist height to generate exceptional power but there’s a price to pay as his legs have to push and twist upward before the core and arm finishing the stroke.
Almost every sport that requires explosive energy uses the same basic principles to generate energy and it’s all about knowing how to use the kinetic chain. Load up, begin driving with your feet, which will activate the knees, then hips, core, chest, shoulders, arms, and your hands are the last thing. Pickleball, tennis, baseball, running, boxing, 99% of throwing sports, golf etc. all use it. You’ll never generate your max power potential if you don’t know how to activate it. But the biggest benefit of working with a trainer that understands this is that and teaches you to activate your chain from the basics to advance will improve your over all quality of life because it also helps to reduce injury.
I've watched a hundred different people get onto a Concept 2 rower for the first time, and not a single one performed the kinetic chain of legs first, then hips, then arms. Most of them wind up with bent elbows concurrent with maximum leg drive. If I did that with my own leg drive, my elbows would never be the same again.
Thanks for the great analysis. I have a question about QD's footwork. If you see from 8:10, his right foot slightly off the ground and moves forward. Do you think QD kicks his right leg intentionally to provide more power? Or his right leg is a part of follow through as shoulder and hip rotates? I'm trying to follow his groundstroke and serve form, but my form doesn't look like him, my rotation is shorter. My hip rotates but my right leg doesn't move forward or off the ground right QD. My right foot stays at the same position but my hill goes up, and my follow through resembles something like golf swing. But I want to push more and rotate more like him. Shall I just bring more rotation to make right foot and right leg follows more from the rotation during follow through? Or shall I intentionally kick the right foot from the ground?
One thing you did not mention, but which is key to having any power, is the position of the right elbow (or left elbow if you are a lefty). Using QD as an example, his elbow starts way out away from his body, but before contact he has brought it forward. It's the only way to create leverage- it's the same motion as throwing a baseball or skipping rocks on water.
I think another aspect to highlight which is present across many sports is how stable the head stays relative to all of the body movement. Present in golf, tennis, baseball, hockey, and now pickleball
I like western for serves and forehand passes but transition to net and at the net continental is 100% what you should use, most people don’t have enough time to change grips that severely. I see it in quang sometimes he has the wrong grip transitioning and has messed it up a lot because of grip. But that just my take and could be wrong.
I’ve been trying his form, grunt included. 😂 It’s about getting low, meeting the ball on the same plane and swinging upwards looks (I like to look at his elbow throughout the motion) My shots not as hard and definitely not landing in often 🤣
Those are tennis swings translated directly to pickleball. I bet he played high level junior tennis. It also looks like he's using a semi-western forehand grip, less common in pickleball because it's harder to generate topspin. But with how fast he's swinging, I guess he makes it work.
Advanced tennis player here. I didn't watch the whole video, but I can tell you that there are SO many similarities between how he hits a forehand and backhand and how advanced tennis players hit them. The biomechanics are, for all intents and purposes, identical. Just wanted to throw in my two cents....
while I 100% agree with u about similarities and this video being about power im not sold on transferring the big C..off-arm..high racket..pat the dog..internal shoulder rotation tennis stroke to pickleball...I just thing quicker linear flatter path may be better suited instead of the moving parts and timing of his swing..really..u cant generate that much spin and dip with a plastic ball and sold paddle..for these reasons I'm more leaning to the footwork and motions of table tennis..again..im still learning and have no previous racket experience but enjoy the discussions of mechanics..ur thoughts are welcome because u mention u are an advance tennis player and are familiar with these tennis concepts/theories
@@Yungdil You misunderstood me. When I said, "Advanced tennis player here", I was talking about myself, not QD. (I wanted people to know that my comment was coming from someone who knows what they are talking about.)
Thanks for making this. Wondering what you see in the feet? Looks like he transfers weight to inside right foot and at times, once he’s in a groove he’s so light on his feet, it looks like he’s almost hopping, or slightly off the ground.
Yeah maybe its just a result of the transfer of weight, then he's light on the feet to anticipate the resetting of the weight distribution and body? Maybe he'll comment in here!
Two things…yes the knee bend is critical. But what he does that most rec players don’t is as soon as the ball is coming off the opponents paddle, he already is getting his paddle back and loading… this is the #1 issue with rec players is they don’t get into position fast enough and don’t get their paddle back, which ends up giving them inconsistent shots and usually getting jammed up…. Even if you don’t use the extreme grip he does or even have the exact same mechanics, simply getting the paddle back quickly holds true for any style of ground stroke
I’m pretty certain I shot that at 120. I remember switching over. I just don’t know why it was still choppy or grainy. Possible I didn’t adjust another setting, and I think bc it was indoors I had to boost the ISO. Edit: I didn’t increase the shutter speed.
if you generate more power from the heels why is the heel part of your foot more narrow than the fore foot. modern shoe makes it look like the heel is on the ground he is on the ball of his feet. the construction of shoes are made to try to have you on the toes because that is the natural athletic stance. modern living and inventions have made humans dysfunctional 99% are not able to tap into the potential of the human body because of this
QD game is so one dimensional, and because of that, he is winless against Federico Staksrud. He has never won a single game against Fed. I watched QD in person against Federico in Bristol TN and also in Virginia Beach. QD lost 0-11, 0-11 against Federico in Bristol and 1-11, 8-11 in Virginia beach. QD beat Ben Johns a couple of times when Ben was not at his best. Also the way QD plays, he is much more prone to injury than Federico or Ben Johns. FWIW, QD uses the extreme western grip, NOT semi-western.
@@avatar_ball_bender I am trying to understand why you can't beat Federico. It looks like Fed has problem beating Connor Garnett, and you already beat Garnett twice, LOL... I really like the way you play because reminds me of the way Rafael Nadal played 😀. Federico playing style reminds me of Roger Federer. Nadal has a winning H2H against Federer, so you should do the same thing to Federico 🙂
Horrible. I stopped watching when he went away from Q into baseball. Why don’t you meet Q and see how he does it instead of theory crafting? How about his grip and why he uses it? This is brutal.
The guy is Asian so he won’t do well at the top because of low athletic ability through strength. He’ll be okay but won’t make the money I make albeit I don’t play pickleball.
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If you’d like to learn more about the Ecological Approach mentioned in the video, here’s my video applying it to pickleball: ua-cam.com/video/__FyDy3Muwo/v-deo.htmlsi=1pENedpCtecZv_SG
And my coach I learned it from (who has been largely credited with introducing it to and teaching in grappling): youtube.com/@standardjiu-jitsu6031?si=bvUb5i4bnk_9ayKF
Thanks everyone for watching.
Dang i am impressed the quality the analysis the slow mo.. great job. Fyi, my injuries have nothing with my techniques. The picklroll copy cat that injured me twice in Vegas and in Milwaukee. I literally popped my knee cap bc the surface moving underneath and I couldn't slide. Pkroll or alike surface only work at amateur level not at pro level
Cant give my secret away but again i train all grips at the net. Why i use one but another bc of choice.
1 dimension and banger. It seems now Hunter Johnson changed his game ripping winners at every where on the baseline. The game has changed rapidly from a rec game to super athletic professional racquet sport. Hate it or love it the the new game will stay. Your favorite players might not be there.
Quang, appreciate the comment man. 100%, we don’t see the full picture or story behind your movements, choices, etc. Without context we’re just making our best assumption so I appreciate the considerate response and you even including the part about the injury, considering you don’t owe anyone an explanation. You’re the one who earned the spot on the stage, not anyone here in the comments.
As long as you’re still there! All the best with your recovery, and enjoy life in LV.
@avatar_ball_bender Quang, I watched and followed your games from MLP and PPA YT since I begin PB, I think I began PB around similar time frame you appeared from PPA. Big fan of you, I always try to follow your serve and groundstroke and 2HBH form, but my 3.8 rating skill level and 40 yrs old age makes me looks looks totally different something silly :) But still, I'm happy to watch your play, and find myself fun and enjoy the play while trying to follow your drives and 2HBH. Thanks to be my inspiration. I wish the best for you & your family, your next season, and wish the perfect recovery. Good luck!
And thanks for this video @buildingpickleball!
Great work, thank you
Non dominant hand is used to get the full unit turn, kept on the racket(paddle) to allow for the dominant hand to stay loose and then the end motion starts the uncoiling and then becomes a counter weight essentially ( like in physics when the professor spins on a chair with a soccer ball out, then pulls in to go faster). All from tennis
This
Huh, that is interesting and helpful. As someone who didn't play tennis growing up (baseball, basketball etc), this is something I don't think I ever picked up on, but makes a lot of sense
Wrist lag is one thing that stands out to me. The way he points his butt cap directly at the ball precisely at the very end of his back swing or at the very beginning of his forward swing. This is crucial to remember in a lot of top spin shots with or without pace. Every time I remember to apply this it benefits my game. He's got it in his muscle memory for sure. Repetition and drilling.
Good call out
Great breakdown. Most teaching videos do not use slow motion. Keep doing them!
QD is a true "phenom". Was sorry to see him have to drop out at San Clemente. Can't wait to see his "little" Brother play. Hope QD's knee fully recovers.
Great job on the breakdown.
Bao for president
His style of forehand is killing his legs. He took the ball lower than a normal waist height to generate exceptional power but there’s a price to pay as his legs have to push and twist upward before the core and arm finishing the stroke.
Almost every sport that requires explosive energy uses the same basic principles to generate energy and it’s all about knowing how to use the kinetic chain. Load up, begin driving with your feet, which will activate the knees, then hips, core, chest, shoulders, arms, and your hands are the last thing. Pickleball, tennis, baseball, running, boxing, 99% of throwing sports, golf etc. all use it. You’ll never generate your max power potential if you don’t know how to activate it. But the biggest benefit of working with a trainer that understands this is that and teaches you to activate your chain from the basics to advance will improve your over all quality of life because it also helps to reduce injury.
I've watched a hundred different people get onto a Concept 2 rower for the first time, and not a single one performed the kinetic chain of legs first, then hips, then arms. Most of them wind up with bent elbows concurrent with maximum leg drive. If I did that with my own leg drive, my elbows would never be the same again.
Thanks for the great analysis. I have a question about QD's footwork. If you see from 8:10, his right foot slightly off the ground and moves forward. Do you think QD kicks his right leg intentionally to provide more power? Or his right leg is a part of follow through as shoulder and hip rotates?
I'm trying to follow his groundstroke and serve form, but my form doesn't look like him, my rotation is shorter. My hip rotates but my right leg doesn't move forward or off the ground right QD. My right foot stays at the same position but my hill goes up, and my follow through resembles something like golf swing. But I want to push more and rotate more like him.
Shall I just bring more rotation to make right foot and right leg follows more from the rotation during follow through? Or shall I intentionally kick the right foot from the ground?
Let’s see if QD chimes in 🧐🤞 He replied to a couple comments already
Detailed analysis, very helpful, thank you for sharing!
Glad you found it helpful
knee bend:
-core coil
-get paddle under the ball
The super slow-mo is really helpful. Even more of a very detailed breakdown of QD 's movement and mechanics would be great
Will keep that in mind. Appreciate the comment/feedback
Good series, we need more of this!
Legend right here
@@buildingpickleball you are
Great post! Thank you!
glad you enjoyed it!
One thing you did not mention, but which is key to having any power, is the position of the right elbow (or left elbow if you are a lefty). Using QD as an example, his elbow starts way out away from his body, but before contact he has brought it forward. It's the only way to create leverage- it's the same motion as throwing a baseball or skipping rocks on water.
Great breakdown very interesting to see quang in slow mo
I think another aspect to highlight which is present across many sports is how stable the head stays relative to all of the body movement. Present in golf, tennis, baseball, hockey, and now pickleball
100%
I like western for serves and forehand passes but transition to net and at the net continental is 100% what you should use, most people don’t have enough time to change grips that severely. I see it in quang sometimes he has the wrong grip transitioning and has messed it up a lot because of grip. But that just my take and could be wrong.
quang duong is a beast
I’ve been trying his form, grunt included. 😂
It’s about getting low, meeting the ball on the same plane and swinging upwards looks (I like to look at his elbow throughout the motion)
My shots not as hard and definitely not landing in often 🤣
😂😂 keep grunting!
I rip four hands with a 3/4 Western.
Killer shot a la Djokovic
Those are tennis swings translated directly to pickleball. I bet he played high level junior tennis. It also looks like he's using a semi-western forehand grip, less common in pickleball because it's harder to generate topspin. But with how fast he's swinging, I guess he makes it work.
@buildingpickleball Great info. Also, I didn’t realize I was in the video in the background with my bright orange Tshirt until the end of the video. 😂
Ahaha yessss. How’d your matches go?
@@buildingpickleballIt went well. Won bronze In Singles.
The bend in the knees is all about balance!!! I thought it was relative common sense . With balance comes power, control, and obviously stability
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Advanced tennis player here. I didn't watch the whole video, but I can tell you that there are SO many similarities between how he hits a forehand and backhand and how advanced tennis players hit them. The biomechanics are, for all intents and purposes, identical. Just wanted to throw in my two cents....
while I 100% agree with u about similarities and this video being about power im not sold on transferring the big C..off-arm..high racket..pat the dog..internal shoulder rotation tennis stroke to pickleball...I just thing quicker linear flatter path may be better suited instead of the moving parts and timing of his swing..really..u cant generate that much spin and dip with a plastic ball and sold paddle..for these reasons I'm more leaning to the footwork and motions of table tennis..again..im still learning and have no previous racket experience but enjoy the discussions of mechanics..ur thoughts are welcome because u mention u are an advance tennis player and are familiar with these tennis concepts/theories
Saying QD is an advanced level player in tennis is really undermining his tennis career. Dude was a blue chip and won Easter bowl
@@Yungdil You misunderstood me. When I said, "Advanced tennis player here", I was talking about myself, not QD.
(I wanted people to know that my comment was coming from someone who knows what they are talking about.)
Thanks for making this. Wondering what you see in the feet? Looks like he transfers weight to inside right foot and at times, once he’s in a groove he’s so light on his feet, it looks like he’s almost hopping, or slightly off the ground.
Yeah maybe its just a result of the transfer of weight, then he's light on the feet to anticipate the resetting of the weight distribution and body? Maybe he'll comment in here!
would like to see more of these with different players but same stroke.
Good to know, appreciate the feedback
Two things…yes the knee bend is critical. But what he does that most rec players don’t is as soon as the ball is coming off the opponents paddle, he already is getting his paddle back and loading… this is the #1 issue with rec players is they don’t get into position fast enough and don’t get their paddle back, which ends up giving them inconsistent shots and usually getting jammed up…. Even if you don’t use the extreme grip he does or even have the exact same mechanics, simply getting the paddle back quickly holds true for any style of ground stroke
Great call out
What is his grip? tks
I use a semi western grip btw awesome break down content, that non dominant hand/arm is to guide or is called the unit turn
Thank you!
What frame rate was that clip shot at for such good slow motion, do you know?
I’m pretty certain I shot that at 120. I remember switching over. I just don’t know why it was still choppy or grainy. Possible I didn’t adjust another setting, and I think bc it was indoors I had to boost the ISO.
Edit: I didn’t increase the shutter speed.
what grip is he using? looks like full eastern..?
@@keanwong8381 I believe western
Thanks for clarifying. Had a closer look: you’re right!
All this science for obvous observations like bend your knees and strike the ball at the apex
Get him on your podcast
I’d love to
Good breakdwon. . He's 18. I don't think us can twist like that....
Hahah not with that attitude you won’t! Nah yeah totally. Lots of torque on the back
57 here. Do the work, it will improve….❤
His grip is everything for his drive, very unique.
Staksrud beat him good multiple times
I run a J2Ti but I want to run a Selkirk because of Quang lol
Hahha he makes me want to keep using the 007 but I just can’t 🥲
Like - shifting my grip more towards Eastern +
@buildingpickleball Currently what's your main?
@@buildingpickleballI’m based out of San Antonio and when I roll with my Vietnamese crew, we got some Selkirk devoted because of Quang.
that's semi open my friend ..
Ahh gotcha gotcha, thanks for calling that out
if you generate more power from the heels why is the heel part of your foot more narrow than the fore foot. modern shoe makes it look like the heel is on the ground he is on the ball of his feet. the construction of shoes are made to try to have you on the toes because that is the natural athletic stance. modern living and inventions have made humans dysfunctional 99% are not able to tap into the potential of the human body because of this
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QD game is so one dimensional, and because of that, he is winless against Federico Staksrud. He has never won a single game against Fed. I watched QD in person against Federico in Bristol TN and also in Virginia Beach. QD lost 0-11, 0-11 against Federico in Bristol and 1-11, 8-11 in Virginia beach. QD beat Ben Johns a couple of times when Ben was not at his best. Also the way QD plays, he is much more prone to injury than Federico or Ben Johns. FWIW, QD uses the extreme western grip, NOT semi-western.
That’s interesting, appreciate the comment. And call out on grip. Will be interesting to see if he changes his style over the course of his career
I agree.😂 I took all out except #1 in the world... Just another.... Well fill in the blank
@@avatar_ball_bender I am trying to understand why you can't beat Federico. It looks like Fed has problem beating Connor Garnett, and you already beat Garnett twice, LOL... I really like the way you play because reminds me of the way Rafael Nadal played 😀. Federico playing style reminds me of Roger Federer. Nadal has a winning H2H against Federer, so you should do the same thing to Federico 🙂
Paper, Rock, Scissors
Lol anybody can play pickleball but not everyone can play golf, tennis, boxing, baseball, hockey, football😅
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wrong. weight on heels is dead weight. great for power lifters doing dead lifts. terrible for anything else.
But Duong’s technique in the video he literally begins the motion w weight on heels and transfers all the way through to toes ?
Horrible. I stopped watching when he went away from Q into baseball. Why don’t you meet Q and see how he does it instead of theory crafting? How about his grip and why he uses it? This is brutal.
no one cares
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The guy is Asian so he won’t do well at the top because of low athletic ability through strength. He’ll be okay but won’t make the money I make albeit I don’t play pickleball.