Talked to Samsung rep. Its more expensive to manufacture a thinner panel. To keep the price point relatively the same as 85c series there was cost savings going thicker in the manufacturing process.
@@edwinlaucys4251 The 85C is now a lot cheaper than the 85D though. I don't see any reason to get the 85D as a consumer. Obviously Samsung would prefer us to get a more expensive tv that's cheaper to manufacture 😑
Those viewing angles as well as the weird bugs are completely unacceptable at that price point. You're basically paying oled money for one of these, yet you still get the viewing angles of a $300 tv
@user-zn9ke8um8sit’s due to LED/LCD TV having to use a backlight. Even the best QLED with a “wide angle viewing layer” will still have some compromises here in comparison.
@user-zn9ke8um8s Because of the Vertically Aligned Liquid Crystal arrangement. IPS/ADS panels have much more wider angles, at a cost of poorer native contrast ratio (Mini-LEDs are necessary here to enhance contrast).
@@Yelkwood9 I agree. Sure, mid-range and high-end lcds will get brighter, but I haven't found a living room yet in which an oled wasn't bright enough for most use cases.
Do you happen to use game mode on your set? I have the same set (VA panel from Europe) and their gaming mode is substantially dimmer over any of the other modes.
@@HunterHunter88 my daugther not complaining. But the few time I see her play looks great. I'm using the tv mostly for movies/youtube. The living room is bright and TV can keep up. Bought the TV here in US.
Something not right about some of the graphics on this video. The section related to 24p Judder gave a score of 10/10 but the graphic at the bottom of the screen said that it was only better than 37% of 123 TVs tested. Another section gave a score of 9.9/10 but the graphic said it was only better than 47% of 123 TVs tested. The viewing angles looked awful when discussing them but the (several) occasions when the TV was turned from side on to face on later in the video made it look absolutely fine. Sorry guys but this is a poor video.
Even though we don’t have a video yet, our full written review has been available if you’re curious! www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/qn90d-qn90dd-qled
Ahh the classic "upsell" TV, given just the right amount of annoying compromises to manoeuvre people into a higher end model. Even reduced the number of zones this year. Fancy that. A difficult sell given what TCL and Hisense are offering in this price bracket these days.
In my region (EU) I see QN85D, QN86D and QN88D. 86 and 88 can be found in the local shops, but 85 is only available in e-commerce websites. Do anyone know the difference between these? 85D is 600+ euros cheaper than 86D and 88D for a 75 inch model.
What model do you recommend for it to be connected in the living room where there’s possible sunlight and no ghosting?! There are Q, S, and now QN. I’m looking to get one between 65” - 85” Samsung
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@@jollamasales don’t really exist anymore for at least 10 years. Anything you can buy on Black Friday it would’ve been cheaper during the year anyways.
I bet that in 10 years time the Samsung will be still performing flawlessly & the TCL & Hisense will be piled up 10 high at the tip. Golden rule of thumb = You get what you pay for.
Same with me. I see 85, 86 and 88 here. 85D is significantly cheaper than the others. No clue what the difference is. I have seen 88D in perosn and it looks good and has a VA panel. I am confused if 85D is also the same
Samsung gave up the midrange segment to TCL and Hisense. There is not much money left to earn in that segment for Samsung. So why bother? And it shows.
its the only thing i absolutely HATE about my S90C. I did not realize how much i used DTS, and looking back at it, i would not buy the TV again because of this, even tho it was with a good discount and the image quality is amazing
champions are the best at this, I ask you between this model and last year's 65 INCH 85C, which in my country is sold with an IPS panel, which of the 2 models would you recommend, I await your response so I can purchase one of the 2, thank you very much
Hello Gentlemen, I recently found your channel and watched a few videos that are very knowledgeable. Thanks a lot to that, i have a quick question, I am looking to buy a 75-inch TV here in Calgary, 🇨🇦.. here at my local store, I am getting Sony X80K 75inch for 1170$ + tax, Sony Bravia 3 75inch for 1390$+tax, Samsung Q82C 75inch for 1565$ + tax. I am really confused. Please help out by suggesting which one is better value for money and best one at this price. Kind Regards..
Can you provide some feedback on how you got burned with the Samsung tv's?? I have had good luck with Samsung but am disgusted with the price spikes. I am turning towards TCL brand
@@kcstereo yes, first one was a 2009 46". It developed a discoloration around the out 2" of the screen. Not uniformly but jagged edges. That happened within 3 to 4 years. Then it started screeching something awful on start up when it was cold. I read it had to do with a failing main board. Second on was 55" bought in 2015 or 2916. Great tv while it lasted. It was def in 2019. Was watching one night and screen went back k..sound was fine. Took to repair ship and entire screen was broke. I got another tv from my co worker. It's a Samsung, needed a new board. I fixed it, has the dreaded random purple spots on the screen . Look it up and you'll see what I mean. My Hisense 75" has treated me all so far. Going on 2 years. Gaming looks great. Sports and tv look great. The days of buying high dollar TV's for me are done! The 55" Samsung was the deal breaker for me.
Why do Samsung keep ignoring DTS and Dolby Vision? Are they just been cheapskates? It makes their TVs an instant no-no for me as an owner of physical discs.
Man the TCL and Hisense is stepping on Samsung and Sony throats Hisense U8N is already been name one of the best values of the year and goes blow for blow with Bravia 7 while being 1000 dollars cheaper that’s crazy to me
I understand your argument but is it still true nowadays? I bought a Sony in 2022 but almost went for Hisense. I was told I had old thinking. Have to admit if I were to replace my Sony X90K, I think I'd go for Hisense this time. But I have no complaint to make on my Sony. Is it the same with Samsung buyers?
@racineurr.8924 these reviewers are not interested in brand reliability. It's best to buy from a reputable brand like Sony. Does that mean you won't have problems? No, but you are more likely to have a more durable set and better customer service.
0:13 Poorer viewing angle? But when the video started, this tv(?) was exhibiting a colorful image, and when you guys turned it around, all angles were absolutely fine 🤔
Bruh what the hell is samsung doing? Lol. More blooming, 2x as thick as last year? Dimmer? 💀
Talked to Samsung rep. Its more expensive to manufacture a thinner panel. To keep the price point relatively the same as 85c series there was cost savings going thicker in the manufacturing process.
@@edwinlaucys4251 The 85C is now a lot cheaper than the 85D though. I don't see any reason to get the 85D as a consumer. Obviously Samsung would prefer us to get a more expensive tv that's cheaper to manufacture 😑
Not worth it man Samsung has gotten stagnant they not doing enough with their TVs
Samsung is relying on cheap thin edge lit models that are not built to last.
Doesn't make sense because they were already making thin models. Its not like they had to reinvent the wheel.
Can you guys do a review for the Samsung q80d? I can only find reviews for the q80c on your website.
Those viewing angles as well as the weird bugs are completely unacceptable at that price point. You're basically paying oled money for one of these, yet you still get the viewing angles of a $300 tv
the horrid viewing angles are the dealbreaker for me when it comes to LED tvs. If it's for a living room, just get an OLED. You won't regret it.
@user-zn9ke8um8sit’s due to LED/LCD TV having to use a backlight. Even the best QLED with a “wide angle viewing layer” will still have some compromises here in comparison.
@user-zn9ke8um8s Because of the Vertically Aligned Liquid Crystal arrangement. IPS/ADS panels have much more wider angles, at a cost of poorer native contrast ratio (Mini-LEDs are necessary here to enhance contrast).
@@Yelkwood9 I agree. Sure, mid-range and high-end lcds will get brighter, but I haven't found a living room yet in which an oled wasn't bright enough for most use cases.
I love VA panels.
love my QN85C; got it with a lot of discount so well worth it upgrading from a close to 4 year old set.
Do you happen to use game mode on your set? I have the same set (VA panel from Europe) and their gaming mode is substantially dimmer over any of the other modes.
@@HunterHunter88 my daugther not complaining. But the few time I see her play looks great. I'm using the tv mostly for movies/youtube. The living room is bright and TV can keep up. Bought the TV here in US.
$1400 for this "midgrade TV", but still no Dolby Vision. Samsung is too cheap to pay a small licensing fee.
I just want a tv that has good viewing angles that isn’t oled
Something not right about some of the graphics on this video. The section related to 24p Judder gave a score of 10/10 but the graphic at the bottom of the screen said that it was only better than 37% of 123 TVs tested. Another section gave a score of 9.9/10 but the graphic said it was only better than 47% of 123 TVs tested. The viewing angles looked awful when discussing them but the (several) occasions when the TV was turned from side on to face on later in the video made it look absolutely fine. Sorry guys but this is a poor video.
MASSIVE zone count reduction from the version last year. Completely unacceptable.
They made a Q7x
kindly do the review of qn90d
Even though we don’t have a video yet, our full written review has been available if you’re curious! www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/qn90d-qn90dd-qled
Thanks for the review just bought the 75inch
Ahh the classic "upsell" TV, given just the right amount of annoying compromises to manoeuvre people into a higher end model.
Even reduced the number of zones this year. Fancy that.
A difficult sell given what TCL and Hisense are offering in this price bracket these days.
In my region (EU) I see QN85D, QN86D and QN88D. 86 and 88 can be found in the local shops, but 85 is only available in e-commerce websites. Do anyone know the difference between these? 85D is 600+ euros cheaper than 86D and 88D for a 75 inch model.
What model do you recommend for it to be connected in the living room where there’s possible sunlight and no ghosting?! There are Q, S, and now QN. I’m looking to get one between 65” - 85” Samsung
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It's the price that makes one look elsewhere
Ah yes because Black Friday and Cyber Monday don’t exist
@@jollamasales don’t really exist anymore for at least 10 years. Anything you can buy on Black Friday it would’ve been cheaper during the year anyways.
How can companies rely on only two sale days per year??
I bet that in 10 years time the Samsung will be still performing flawlessly & the TCL & Hisense will be piled up 10 high at the tip. Golden rule of thumb = You get what you pay for.
there's a QN87D model sold here. you guys know the difference with this model...?
Same with me. I see 85, 86 and 88 here. 85D is significantly cheaper than the others. No clue what the difference is. I have seen 88D in perosn and it looks good and has a VA panel. I am confused if 85D is also the same
I bought me a Samsung 65” inch 4K tv at Walmart Tuesday
Model??
Samsung gave up the midrange segment to TCL and Hisense. There is not much money left to earn in that segment for Samsung. So why bother? And it shows.
TCL and Hisense has destroyed Samsung mid range tv and Sony Bravia series as well next year they will totally catch up with the top brands
The only midrange Samsung models are the edge lit junk that isn't built to last according to ratings review
No DTS support means i have to look elsewhere.
Why Samsung does not include it on their TV's make no sense,
their soundbars do, go figure !
Because they want you to buy their overpriced soundbars :)
@@wolfura That is no suprise but stupid as it means feeding your source through the soundbar.
I never have had much faith in Samsung gear.
its the only thing i absolutely HATE about my S90C. I did not realize how much i used DTS, and looking back at it, i would not buy the TV again because of this, even tho it was with a good discount and the image quality is amazing
@@MKR3238 If you have a large collection of Laserdiscs, DVD's or Blu-Ray then DTS support is esential.
Perhaps someday Samsung will get the message.
I just got mine 85 c but dont like it so much. Thy told me it was much better as the tcl c745 but now think about chanching it wat do you think
I like how they say 'much better'... What does that mean? I'm a Samsung guy but not at the spiked 2024 prices!
DTS isn't a problem for Blu-ray as long as you plug your Blu-ray player into your receiver ....
champions are the best at this, I ask you between this model and last year's 65 INCH 85C, which in my country is sold with an IPS panel, which of the 2 models would you recommend, I await your response so I can purchase one of the 2, thank you very much
Hello Gentlemen, I recently found your channel and watched a few videos that are very knowledgeable. Thanks a lot to that, i have a quick question, I am looking to buy a 75-inch TV here in Calgary, 🇨🇦.. here at my local store, I am getting Sony X80K 75inch for 1170$ + tax, Sony Bravia 3 75inch for 1390$+tax, Samsung Q82C 75inch for 1565$ + tax. I am really confused. Please help out by suggesting which one is better value for money and best one at this price. Kind Regards..
Better off buying the 2024 tcl QM8 instead of this tv. Samsung tax is too high on this model
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Thank you for this review. When will your video of the Sony Bravia 9 be available?
Likely next week! 👀
OMG, putting the TV in game mode really improves the input lag.
Thank you for the reminder!
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I'll never by a Samsung TV again. Got burned in 2 of them. Love their phones but that's it. I'll stick with Hisense, Vizio, or TCL.
Can you provide some feedback on how you got burned with the Samsung tv's?? I have had good luck with Samsung but am disgusted with the price spikes. I am turning towards TCL brand
@@kcstereo yes, first one was a 2009 46". It developed a discoloration around the out 2" of the screen. Not uniformly but jagged edges. That happened within 3 to 4 years. Then it started screeching something awful on start up when it was cold. I read it had to do with a failing main board. Second on was 55" bought in 2015 or 2916. Great tv while it lasted. It was def in 2019. Was watching one night and screen went back k..sound was fine. Took to repair ship and entire screen was broke. I got another tv from my co worker. It's a Samsung, needed a new board. I fixed it, has the dreaded random purple spots on the screen . Look it up and you'll see what I mean. My Hisense 75" has treated me all so far. Going on 2 years. Gaming looks great. Sports and tv look great. The days of buying high dollar TV's for me are done! The 55" Samsung was the deal breaker for me.
I would get a hisense over this samsung. At 75 inches the hisense is the better buy absolutely
Why do Samsung keep ignoring DTS and Dolby Vision? Are they just been cheapskates? It makes their TVs an instant no-no for me as an owner of physical discs.
It's their competition against Sony, both hate each other, neither likes including the other's format support in their first party products.
Man the TCL and Hisense is stepping on Samsung and Sony throats Hisense U8N is already been name one of the best values of the year and goes blow for blow with Bravia 7 while being 1000 dollars cheaper that’s crazy to me
You don't want to buy a cheap Chinese TV. Quality assurance matters.
I understand your argument but is it still true nowadays? I bought a Sony in 2022 but almost went for Hisense. I was told I had old thinking. Have to admit if I were to replace my Sony X90K, I think I'd go for Hisense this time. But I have no complaint to make on my Sony. Is it the same with Samsung buyers?
@racineurr.8924 these reviewers are not interested in brand reliability. It's best to buy from a reputable brand like Sony. Does that mean you won't have problems? No, but you are more likely to have a more durable set and better customer service.
@@JC-vx9htOH man i was at Bestbuy they try to pitch that x90K to me. It was brutal experience. They really act the act, talk the talk.
Had3 Sony tv's over the years and nothing but issues....
I've heard this TV is really good.😊
The comments above yours say otherwise 💀
@@jollama it was good before i wonder what happened?
@@michaelwyckoff7593 It was never good to begin with. All Samsung TVs have gone downhill after the Q9FN and/or Q90R depending on who you ask
@@michaelwyckoff7593 Tell me you’ve never seen the Q8FN/Q80R without telling me you’ve never seen the Q8FN/Q80R
Exactly
0:13 Poorer viewing angle? But when the video started, this tv(?) was exhibiting a colorful image, and when you guys turned it around, all angles were absolutely fine 🤔