Infernus is just so damn good. He's so easy to get online at the moment, and afterburn + toxic rounds is INSANE damage, and even just spirit lifesteal + enduring spirit gives ridiculous healing.
Given valve hasn't released how the mmr will work idk if this tier list will make sense. They said they were looking more into performance and less at wins/losses. So perhaps supports will be given credit under the hood for things like assists and healing raising your mmr even in a solo q situation despite potentially losing.
Valve already tried this approach in Dota, and it led to situations like Zeus afk farming while ulting randomly (with a global ult) so that even in a loss, he had high damage numbers and low deaths and thus "performed well". I'd be surprised if they tried such a system again.
People need to use their brains and realize that tier lists are super patch specific. These rankings will change every balance patch, characters are gonna see huge changes, probably even massive reworks (Volvo plz make talon good)
I think its people that have never played her. She outputs so much damage and her kit is crazy for sustaining. Super easy farming. She's so easy to play and get huge value out of her from just spamming bombs and malice.
Geist is weird I think because she's kind of a one trick pony. She gets fed and she carries with stupid high damage and regen or she... doesn't and she's just kind of useless. Granted that's the inherent dynamic of a carry, but I think she's more polarized than other characters because she just has NOTHING else. No mobility, no CC, and her ult fucking sucks to get hit by when you're winning a 1v1 against her but I think it's actively just kind of bad in a lot of teamfight situations.
@wyrdautumn I play her a her a lot. Her ult is rage inducing but silence glyph neutralizes it. You can tell when she's trying to ult you then you just silence her
I'd switch Paradox and Dynamo. I think Paradox requires more team support to be useful than Dynamo, whose kit is far less risky and much easier for random teammates to play around.
talon is squishy and got his speed nerfed but its crazy how underrated he is because you can apply so much damage with his 1, you need to follow up your teammates but putting a trap down usually your team will shoot the trapped guy and you hit them with 2 or 3 1's for so much damage. also in defense his 1 can 1shot an entire doublestacked wave. i know this is a soloq list but i think more people should try him because imo hes so good if you play carefully
He has one of the best Lane phases and the best poke. His counters are plentiful. Lash, Mo, Abrams, Yamato, even Viscous, Mirage, and Shiv are slightly less good at getting to Talon but they all can destroy him if they get inside his range post-lane phase. Wraith ult, anyone with Phantom Strike/Curse.
Everything you said is true then and now. But the nerfs hit him so hard he isnt as strong of a a character anymore. I feel like as gray talon you were able to build up to be a hypercarry and be a legit glass cannon. Now he feels sooo slow and vulnerable because of the speed nerf.
@@aznnathan3 yeah speed nerf feels so bad because before you could retreat faster than most people could chase you (but you'd still get shot) now like you say its so much more risky. maybe we are supposed to use rooftops more or something lol
I think the other reason he is bad rn is just because his counters are good. I think if you are lucky enough to get a game without a lash or bepop and anyone who can dive you then the game is pretty free, but in this patch in particular all of those heros that stop him are good. I don't think his kit is fundamentally bad, his counters are just a bit too strong.
I get all the fun "dominating with X build!!!" videos from low mmr creators... but wtf are they doing making tier lists? Here is your brand new tier list for slightly above average players! letsgooo
Geist can either be the best partner in a dual lane or the worst solo lane on your team that youve ever seen She is so easy to counter as you just need to do chip damage to her early game and your kills will outway her farm
I don’t think any character is so easy to counter as you think in early lane. Also, geist has the highest bullet damage in the game so she is elite at short trades early on. 2 headshots + malice with no items is over 200 damage.
There is no way you can out farm a geist by kills alone, unless you are just feeding off of the enemy team but that isn't a viable strategy every game. Creeps and urns and objectives give way more souls than kills
Ain't no way Pocket is S tier. The shotgun nerf makes it so he cannot trade with anyone and the spirit nerfs hit him hard, he is not bursting and doing anything bro is a support now 😭
I don't mean this to be a cunty question but peoples tier lists are all over the place. Giest and seven are examples. I'm not familiar with you, why should I listen to your tier list over others?
@@jody_highroller I have a high NekoScore. Kidding kidding. I don't think you should listen to me over others. I think the best approach is to take a lot of people's input and form your own opinion. I make tier lists because they're fun and they get a discussion going. I don't think they're that serious.
Pretty sure the reason he likes Kelvin so much is cause they have the same hair & beard.
Lol
Infernus is just so damn good. He's so easy to get online at the moment, and afterburn + toxic rounds is INSANE damage, and even just spirit lifesteal + enduring spirit gives ridiculous healing.
Given valve hasn't released how the mmr will work idk if this tier list will make sense. They said they were looking more into performance and less at wins/losses. So perhaps supports will be given credit under the hood for things like assists and healing raising your mmr even in a solo q situation despite potentially losing.
Valve already tried this approach in Dota, and it led to situations like Zeus afk farming while ulting randomly (with a global ult) so that even in a loss, he had high damage numbers and low deaths and thus "performed well". I'd be surprised if they tried such a system again.
People need to use their brains and realize that tier lists are super patch specific.
These rankings will change every balance patch, characters are gonna see huge changes, probably even massive reworks (Volvo plz make talon good)
Really appreciate the brevity with this one. Thanks for the info
Lady Geist is so disputed against everyone. Some people say she’s OP some people say she’s by far the worst. No in between
I think its people that have never played her. She outputs so much damage and her kit is crazy for sustaining. Super easy farming. She's so easy to play and get huge value out of her from just spamming bombs and malice.
Geist is weird I think because she's kind of a one trick pony. She gets fed and she carries with stupid high damage and regen or she... doesn't and she's just kind of useless. Granted that's the inherent dynamic of a carry, but I think she's more polarized than other characters because she just has NOTHING else. No mobility, no CC, and her ult fucking sucks to get hit by when you're winning a 1v1 against her but I think it's actively just kind of bad in a lot of teamfight situations.
@wyrdautumn I play her a her a lot. Her ult is rage inducing but silence glyph neutralizes it. You can tell when she's trying to ult you then you just silence her
her damage is crazy rn. def S tier
You're right, she needs another buff (definitely not a Geist main)
I'd switch Paradox and Dynamo. I think Paradox requires more team support to be useful than Dynamo, whose kit is far less risky and much easier for random teammates to play around.
If Infernus and Shiv land on the same team, you might as well afk in the base
And Haze i think is in Solo Q, A+ Tier
talon is squishy and got his speed nerfed but its crazy how underrated he is because you can apply so much damage with his 1, you need to follow up your teammates but putting a trap down usually your team will shoot the trapped guy and you hit them with 2 or 3 1's for so much damage. also in defense his 1 can 1shot an entire doublestacked wave. i know this is a soloq list but i think more people should try him because imo hes so good if you play carefully
He has one of the best Lane phases and the best poke. His counters are plentiful. Lash, Mo, Abrams, Yamato, even Viscous, Mirage, and Shiv are slightly less good at getting to Talon but they all can destroy him if they get inside his range post-lane phase. Wraith ult, anyone with Phantom Strike/Curse.
Everything you said is true then and now. But the nerfs hit him so hard he isnt as strong of a a character anymore. I feel like as gray talon you were able to build up to be a hypercarry and be a legit glass cannon. Now he feels sooo slow and vulnerable because of the speed nerf.
@@aznnathan3 yeah speed nerf feels so bad because before you could retreat faster than most people could chase you (but you'd still get shot) now like you say its so much more risky. maybe we are supposed to use rooftops more or something lol
@@erikbrockamp5492 yeah infernus too, if he runs at you and stuns its gg. i wish they didnt remove his speed that was his main defense
I think the other reason he is bad rn is just because his counters are good. I think if you are lucky enough to get a game without a lash or bepop and anyone who can dive you then the game is pretty free, but in this patch in particular all of those heros that stop him are good. I don't think his kit is fundamentally bad, his counters are just a bit too strong.
I get all the fun "dominating with X build!!!" videos from low mmr creators... but wtf are they doing making tier lists? Here is your brand new tier list for slightly above average players! letsgooo
Thanks Eskie.
Gray Talon gun build is so much better than ult or spirit
Please make a build and play style tutorial about meta heroes
Geist can either be the best partner in a dual lane or the worst solo lane on your team that youve ever seen
She is so easy to counter as you just need to do chip damage to her early game and your kills will outway her farm
I don’t think any character is so easy to counter as you think in early lane. Also, geist has the highest bullet damage in the game so she is elite at short trades early on. 2 headshots + malice with no items is over 200 damage.
There is no way you can out farm a geist by kills alone, unless you are just feeding off of the enemy team but that isn't a viable strategy every game. Creeps and urns and objectives give way more souls than kills
Dynamo is S tier, but yeah solo very very weak i think Grey Talon is better than him in solo ^^
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Grey Talon is not D tier. I have seen many Grey Talons with huge soul leads being incredibly annoying and nobody having any clue how to counter.
Na dude talons damage is booty cheeks by the time he can start chunking you with his arrows the enemy is already 3 items in and regening all that poke
Ain't no way Pocket is S tier. The shotgun nerf makes it so he cannot trade with anyone and the spirit nerfs hit him hard, he is not bursting and doing anything bro is a support now 😭
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I don't mean this to be a cunty question but peoples tier lists are all over the place. Giest and seven are examples.
I'm not familiar with you, why should I listen to your tier list over others?
@@jody_highroller I have a high NekoScore. Kidding kidding. I don't think you should listen to me over others. I think the best approach is to take a lot of people's input and form your own opinion. I make tier lists because they're fun and they get a discussion going. I don't think they're that serious.