Time Team S09-E06 Cheshunt,.Herts
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Back in the 1950s and 1960s, two families of amateur archaeologists began excavating some Roman remains in what is now a public park in Cheshunt, Hertfordshire. They were told to keep quiet about their finds because the British Museum believed they might indicate the existence of an important Roman site.
The site is located on the route of one of Britain's main Roman roads, Ermine Street, which linked London with Lincoln, and from there with the principal Roman town in the north of England, York.
Could Time Team find the line of Ermine Street, no sign of which exists above ground in Cheshunt Park today? And what else lies beneath the grass, which has remained undisturbed since the excavations of those amateur archaeologists 40 years or so ago?
Godspeed Peter Reynolds on your last discovery. I'm sure you are learning and teaching wherever you are.
I used to live practically on Ermine Street as a child and often ran across it to inspect the deep (Roman ?) ditch on the other side. Little did I know I was crossing a Roman road every time I did that and that Roman soldiers had marched up and down that exact same road for hundreds of years. My father was in the RAF stationed at RAF Bassingbourn near Royston, and Ermine Street ran directly between the NCO's Married Quarters east of the road, where we lived, and the main airbase to the west. I also didn't know in 1963, when we lived at Bassingbourn, that the excavation down the road at Cheshunt was being done in secret. It is fascinating to see Time Team continue the search for the missing stretch of "my" childhood road ! RAF Bassingbourn is now an Army base but everything still looks as it was over 55 years ago, since I lived there. 😘
P.S.
I was extremely sad to read that Peter Reynolds passed away during this series - he quite often contributed his expert knowledge of Roman industry to the Time Team's excavations. Both Peter Reynolds and Mick Aston are sadly missed by the world of archaeology and the viewers and fans of Time Team. RIP Mick and Peter.
Miss them both too!
Never been near the UK but even as a rank Yank, I must say that the folk whom click the dislike button on the episodes of this show, should SERIOUSLY have their heads examined !!! No joke !!! Illuminating the growth of the creativity of humanity is about as noble a pursuit, as being one of those doing the advancing in the first place. "Any jackass can kick down a barn"..... Too much of what is shown by media has to do w/ the destructive side of human nature, like wars & military hardware, & the 'prevalent' tendency for folk to live & act as adversaries. But even tech advances in war time come by a profound collaboration of 'people on our side'. & so this is why I seriously say that we can use the negative responses of folk, to shows like this, as way of questioning their violent & or disturbed tendencies. How can you be negative about a celebration of human creativity ??? It's like my student colleagues in Redding CA, talking about how boring life was, in their vicinity. My response to them was, "U R surrounded by mountains in 3 out of 4 points of the compass, take a hike, you whiny louts !
I always love when they show Victor's beautiful drawings 😍🥰
Love how much I learn from this series. All of the TT members are such natural and talented teachers and a joy to watch. Also love how the team makes a point to keep the landowner/interested party involved in what's going on. Rest in peace, Peter Reynolds.
I think this was the first episode of Time Team that I watched. I went back to Season 1, Episode 1 and followed it through to see what I missed. Love it.
I am so glad I can watch these episodes on You Tube. This was a great series.
Love the brief unnarrated scene showing Phil carefully handing the Roman pottery to the woman whose family did the excavating in the 1950's.
was Mick actually,not Phil
I really enjoyed the unfolding nature of this dig. It struck me as noteworthy that the highly educated people in the 60s had no clue, but when someone who knows rural crafts looked at the site, he knew it was a malting floor right away.
Just goes to show that sometimes specialist knowledge is what needed, no matter how smart one is on any subject thay can't answer on something they don't know about.
My grandfather was the postman for the Debenams in the sixties and remember he got permission from the last miss Debenams for our family to go and look at her house, garden and farmland, and remember Miss Debenham showing where the Roman ruins were. they were here as stated but some close to her garden near the old house which were exposed back then to at least 1970 and could walk around them didn't get covered here. Cheshunt is pronounced Ches hunt not Chesh ant. Another thing is that their land was left in her will for the people of cheshunt not bought by the council as stated here. The golf course and catholic school built on this land caused protests at the time.We used to get thrown of the golf course as kids, but My Mother always said let them call the police and there will never be any trouble because they know the truth about the will so impossible to tresspass. Go and enjoy it.
Good for your Mom.
You have a good mum. :)
Looked they had a cool house, too. Pity it got torn down. Made a good tea room / visitor center - more interesting than brambles and random weed trees.
death duties on the estate probably, building material and contents would have been sold off in bits
I live there too and it is more pronounced 'chezunt'
I so love this lady's house, half stucco, half ivy and thatch.
I always love the cuddly helicopter shots :-D
The way Stewart asks for a trench is like a kid asking dad for something lol.
I love how these families back together excavated this site it's cool somehow.
Guess those old adverts weren't lying. The women really did do absolutely everything wearing those dresses - even archeological digs!
Good old Mick: "I don't do running." Ha ha.
+Paul Anthony Balistrieri Hah yeah that was classic
Mick got it. They dig up things that survived centuries or milleniums, no one needs to run over within seconds to look at artifacts.
Thanks for posting
wonderful episode
I think Mrs. Mullinger(sp?) is one of my favorite guests they had.
Delightful. What was her accent?
@@cathjj840 i could be wrong but she may be a Geordie.
Cant beat a bit of Time team, during these shite times....
This site definitely warrants more visits.
Rest In Peace Peter Reynolds.
Always hits pretty hard when I hear of one of the TT passing.
And Mick Aston and Robin Bush. They are dearly missed.
A comment to be buried and recovered in two millennia~ a great episode~
More like two years.
One of your best digs, Ive watched this twice, Thanks
I’ve watched quite a few of the Time Team videos. IMO there isn’t a bad episode in the lot. When and if schools ever open they should show these videos to the students. I don’t think history can be documented any better. Sunday August 9 2020.
Thanks for the video.
I have to admit I don't understand Guy''s conclusion after seeing the 4th cen. piece pottery that the road must be a later Roman road, especially when this was possibly Ermine Street. With Ermine Street not only would you expect the road to be in use throughout the entire period and possibly after, but that possibly the ditches alongside might have been cleaned out fairly regularly, especially nearer towns and larger settlements. Which means later period pottery could very well end up at the bottom of the ditch with earlier pieces.
Good point!!!
Come for the archeology, stay for the tech nostalgia.
Was here Nov 2019
one more sunny day in England? Tony and the Time Team in shorts....
The surveying reminds me of the old plane table and alidade surveying
Did Time Team ever do a book with all the nice artwork that was produced in this series?
My question also! I love those renderings and colored sketches!!!❤️
by Victor
His talent is a wonderful remarkable “thing”.
In the end credits it states that Peter Reynolds died during the filming of the episode, yet he is in the last part describing the excavated Roman pub layout, then having a brew with the assembled crew. Possibly he died after the filming? RIP Peter.
I stand corrected. Thank you. Peter died during the series. Quite a difference!
KYIRISH1 From Peter's Obit it states "died in Turkey aged 61 from an arterial haemorrhage"
He's in the next episode as well. This episode s09e06 was aired in Feb 2002, and Peter Reynolds died in Sept 2001. I'm guessing when he died season 9 was still filming and this episode was going through graphics and editing and other post productions and stuff for them to add that message in the credits.
Through a series of spectacular experiments, the archaeologist Peter Reynolds, who has died in Turkey aged 61 from an arterial haemorrhage, told us more about Iron Age buildings and agriculture than most of the excavations of that period put together. Virtually all the reconstruction drawings of Iron Age settlements now to be seen in books are based on his work at Butser Ancient Farm, near Waterlooville, Hampshire.
Before his experiments with round huts, reconstruction drawings showed a hole in the roof to let the smoke out. However, Peter proved that this would turn the hut into a furnace, because of the draught through the door. In reality, the smoke would have filtered up through the thatched roof.
Peter was a wonderful character, a one-off, and a very entertaining companion. He was a great archaeologist - if not the first, then certainly the leading, experimental archaeologist in Britain. He was a great innovator, and Butser is, and should continue to be, his legacy.
For 40 years, Peter devoted himself to asking the questions "what?", "how?" and "why?": he would never accept the fashionable statements of archaeological pundits without evidence to back them up. Rather than reaching a sweeping generalisation from a minimal sample, he saw the sample in context, and against an unrivalled library of practical knowledge.
Almost single-handedly, he put the British Iron Age on the map of contemporary study, to the extent that national curriculum history no longer begins with what he called the "rotten Romans", but encompasses the diverse riches of the Celts in the centuries immediately preceding the Roman Conquest. Perhaps more importantly, he introduced the concept of what is now known as experimental archaeology to the mainstream of archaeological thought.
Born in Shifnal, near Telford, Peter was brought up in Shrewsbury, and first came into contact with archaeology as a student at the Priory School, where his art master, Philip A Barker, became his guide and mentor. In 1962, he graduated in classics from Trinity College, Dublin, where he led a highly successful racing eight. After acquiring a teaching diploma at Reading University, he took up a teaching appointment as classics master at Prince Henry's grammar school at Evesham.
During his time in Dublin, he maintained an interest in archaeology and at Reading he became involved in reading other people's PhD theses to check English and logic in abstruse subjects. One such thesis was devoted to Iron Age settlement enclosures, and Peter became increasingly uneasy with what he saw as strange, unsubstantiated and illogical claims and conclusions based upon the flimsiest of evidence. Later, when he was put in charge of a sixth-form group at Prince Henry's school he took the decision to test some of the ideas practically.
In 1969, he obtained the use of a plot of land on Bredon Hill in the Cotswolds, adjacent to the Iron Age hill fort, and the first open-air laboratory devoted to archaeology was created. With his students, Peter created a multi-faceted, multi-disciplinary research programme which lasted three years.
Building on that experience, he was asked by the Council for British Archaeology to design a project to investigate the British Iron Age in Wessex in the immediate pre-Roman period. In 1972, an experimental centre was set up on Butser Hill, on land provided by Hampshire county council. Work on the storage of grain in underground silos formed the basis of Peter's doctoral thesis, which he received from Leicester University in 1978. But perhaps his most remarkable achievement of that period was the full-sized construct of a roundhouse - The Pimperne House - which was, at the time, the largest building in Western Europe to follow prehistoric principles, providing the first real evidence for construction methods and labour and material requirements.
However, Peter felt very strongly that such buildings had to be seen within the landscape that they occupied - "climate drives landscape drives man". His work at Butser revolutionised the way in which the pre-Roman Iron Age economy was perceived, and is detailed in his book Iron Age Farm: The Butser Experiment (1979), contributions to collections, and papers published both in Britain and abroad.
On Channel 4, he was one of a panel of experts on Time Team, and could always be trusted to bring a breath of fresh air to any interview. He also appeared on the BBC2 series Meet The Ancestors.
In 1990, the ancient farm moved a short distance to its present site, where Peter successfully continued his research programme, despite difficulties in funding (information about the farm can be found at www.butser.org.uk). He developed many international links and instituted research programmes abroad, twice as visiting professor at the University of Barcelona (1993-94 and 1999-2000). His travels took him all over Europe and the US as conference speaker, lecturer to universities and archaeological societies, and as expert advisor to archaeological and experimental projects.
Peter always maintained his interest in the classical world (his publications included Latin primers) and, indeed, did not see the two cultures as entirely separate. His other great love was to escort tours around the coast of south western Turkey, visiting the classical sites and encouraging his guests not only to admire the monuments, but also to look at the landscape that supported them; he put the people back and brought it alive.
He is survived by his wife Bridget, whom he married in 1976, and their daughter Jemma, who is following in his footsteps.
· Peter Reynolds, archaeologist, born November 6 1939; died September 26 2001
- Obit written by Mick Aston
hail to the Peter, i am raising a spade and glass
Jenni and Katie were very nice additions to the team. Good people. Let me know what you think
What always amazes me is that we need satellites gps and all this technology to find things those that Stone Age did with their eyes and Ronan’s did with ropes or their eyes and the sun moon and stars. Man we rely on technology way to much anymore. If it goes down the young won’t know how to read a map let alone find north LOL
Probably silly, but the highlight for me was the surprise transition at 26:27 to 26:34. For those few seconds, I was almost as excited as Phil, with me thinking he'd found an ancient Roman stash.
Guy's "Roman Road" conclusion from a a snippet of terra cotta planter...well, I turned up a piece of Limoge in the back garden, so must I conclude the French occupied my home, here in Illinois, USA? I found an ancient pet cat burial not too far away, so must I conclude the French were cat worshipers as well? There were no cut marks on the bones, so must I conclude they weren't eating them and mayhaps it was a "ritual" burial? Obviously, "It's a mystery to me," but then my dating evidence is a crock, so to speak.
+Hey Seuss Glad someone else found the humor in it. We know Phil is fond of the occasional pint or three, but I wonder...
+Kim Jameson "...and mayhaps it was a "ritual" burial?" ... A little too much GRRM and ASOIAF there my friend?
Fedra Haldane
Yes, it would seem as though explanation of most things can be conveniently attributed to "ritual." Granted, many conclusions are warranted and some, shall we say, could be imaginative constructions.
Help me with GRRM and ASOIAF. I might agree if I knew their meanings. Sorry for my specific density, but you'll have that with the uninformed. :)
As to 'ritual' being the explanation for all, I agree, there is a lack of imaginative interpretations to the archaeology. Sometimes it's merited, but for others it's just a catch all to say, they don't know.
What caught my attention though was your use of the word 'mayhaps', which is a word that George RR Martin (GRRM) uses quite a lot in his book series A Song of Ice and Fire (ASOIAF); otherwise known to most by the HBO series as A Game of Thrones.
I thought you might be a fan of the books because some long time readers tend to adopt his phrasings and 'mayhaps' is a common one. :-)
Fedra Haldane
My apologies for the confusion, Fedra. I made the decision to have no antenna or cable in 1993, so there are many commercial media references that escape me. I don't think it's hurt me to have no exposure to adverts and propaganda, either. There's enough in my head that I don't need network suits to tell me what to watch. I prefer spending my time writing...two and a half books, three in draft and of course, here.
"Mayhaps" is a word I inherited from my Grandmother Beattie who, as luck would have it, was British. Also in defense, archaic wording is easier for me since my odometer rolled over 70.
Words and stories are like memories and muscles, it seems to me. When we use them, we're less apt to lose them. Glad you noticed.
That clueless Tony: uh hum "Miiiiiiiick, let me see if I got this straight. The fire is hot, so if I stick my hand in it I will most likely get burned? Is that about right?" Mick: "Tony, you are surely an idiot."
I live in cheshunt and all we got is a timeline thing to mark the history and it's completely faded
"I've already done it"!
17:25 What they are describing is the same principle how rocket stoves work.
Yes! I thought they were fairly safe too....so why the blaze in the brewery? Errant sparks perhaps?
R.I.P. MR Reynolds
When I was a boy we always called the place Ches hunt and not as it seems the time team do Chesh unt.
What you wrote is how the locals on here have been saying it should be pronounced.
I'm from north Enfield, it's always been Ches hunt spoken as 'Chesunt'
If Dr. Butterworth needs an assistant to keep her trowel clean Id like to volunteer!
Get to the back of the queue. I've seen quite a few comments in that sense.
they sure love to dig holes and look for ditches. I understand why but they already knew where the road was....dig some artifacts. 3 days is just not enough time to do anything so normally you see 30 minutes of dirt and a few artifacts. At the end they are always just guessing what was there. Still like the show but it really need to be longer digs
I swear Phil made those shorts out of jeans by cutting them with scissors.
That is, indeed, how you make cutoffs.
🤣😂😅😆😄😁
Good lord! Hope so. And not with a flint blade.🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Robbie Battam : In the 70's and 80's every self-respecting guy had a pair of cutoffs.
No shorts better than “cut offs”! He’s sure got the legs for them! 😃
First aired February 10, 2002.
Seems quite funny that here is Time Team looking for ermine street well all they had to do was ask the locals where the roman road is ha ha . With the pronunciation of Cheshunt my guess is not one.
Are these rebroadcasts on the Discovery Channel?
They have Discovery Channel in the UK too. They started on Channel 4 and I think rebroadcast on Discovery Channel UK.
Tony Robinson is an owl
Phil (Not one of these lil strimmer jobs) LOL
Leuk
A place defended by a well doesn't seem viable, unless wells were much more impressive than they are now.
Are you doing that on purpose? Change by to near duh. But in a sense, you're right. Wells used to be pretty fierce. Instead of getting better, they've gone beta now.
a defended place by a well , Not defended by a well.
Oh, NVM, I didn't see her in the -05 episode....thought she retired, or got canned.
Well you'd know about Romans jija.
30:05 Mick actually goes silent and rolls his eyes at Tony... I always got the sense Mick thought Tony was a bit of an idiot
far from it.
Tony is there to ask the dumb questions. Its his job. Clarifies everything for idiots like us.
That's the reality tv bit they do for us (or their producers).
He is a presenter using a valid way of presenting, ask idiot question so idiots understand. He does it quite often throughout the series, even asking idiot questions over stuff he has already heard the explanation of in the previous video. It is a better way of presenting than ask the question then answer it with the expert standing there going "Yup" and "Yeah" so many do. Why have an expert if they cannot show their expertise.
*SkorobyNightfall*
*Mick* and *Tony* had been good friends for over a decade and *Mick* never thought *Tony* an idiot. He wanted *Tony* to present *TT.*
@@philaypeephilippotter6532 fair enough
Why are they "looking" for Ermine Street? All they have to do it draw a straight line from the 2 ends where they actually know it is!! lol
Then they wouldn't be able to spend all that effort and money, digging! ;)
Not exactly, roman roads were stright but had kinks around features in the landscape, so where it 'should' be is a precise science.
What do they wear under those little skirts, them romans ?
Tony’s skinny little legs running hither and yon
What happened to Carenza?
There was a bit of upheaval going on throughout the years. They moved the central location of the show to another area, as well as the folks paying for things decided to switch out some people. Carenza has a family, and couldn't just be uprooted from her area. In 2004, she got an important job at Cambridge Uni, in their archeology department. In 2015 she went to Uni Lincoln as a Chair in the archeology dep. She has done other shows as a presenter as well. So she's had big doings. All the folks connected to Time Team are very well respected and are working away.
They lost her in a ditch at some point ..
45:22 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
why only tree days
I think it is because of the time this people can take off their regular work, production costs and to add some excitement because it wouldn't be so fun if they stayed longer.
... they need "tree" days to get to the "root" of the matter
Cheshunt park has gone down hill since its boating lake went and they stopped the local firework displays its just a useless golf course now I wish they would build a profitable theam park for families or a zoo but I guess they don't care for events for everyone or for the locals or making money
Paradoxically, that may just be so they can get it redeveloped as a theme park or somesuch. It was apparently bequeathed to the Council, not bought by it, and so there may be restrictions on its development. But if they feel its too onerous for their budget, or they'd rather get lots of money from commercial interests to take it over, letting it go to pot might give them a pretext to be able to do that. A lot of altruistic gifts for the general good wind up that way, with the recipients not respecting the wishes of the donor.
Are the bulldozer operators regulars on Time Team?
The excavator drivers are if that's what you meant.
Isn’t Corinza beautiful?
Not to be confused with great Field archeologist and writer, Carenza Lewis.
Not zyfos.. Zy-thos.
Sorry didn't hear the hyphen.....
I don't understand the very short shorts Phil
I rarely understand what textiles try to communicate but I appreciate Phil´s short shorts nonetheless :-p
May have been by accidnet or chance at first, but if you read the comments from the ladies on here about said cut-offs, he had reason enough to make them his summer uniform.
MY KING IS BETTER THAN YOUR`S - those shorts aren’t even close to being in the short-shorts genre. They are just fine. He has the legs to wear ‘em! 👵🏻🐾💕🇨🇦
ever trowelled in tight fitting shorts? aint gonna happen
When you have great legs like Phil, why not flaunt them? Some of us enjoy a nice bit of eye candy and Phil provided that quite nicely.
I loved this when it first aired...but as time went on it became populated with over acting fannies.
WHY WHY WHY ONLY 3 DAYS?????
they explained it at one point, it's because they have other things they have to go back to.
It's forensic archeology; they're brought in to determine if a site warrants a more extensive dig or if it should be scheduled to protect it. They all have full-time jobs apart from doing this.
Don't forget, they're on a schedule to produce a TV series.
Come back after the break an we will tell you......
I mean they don't even have a fair or crafts for kids on the weekend seriously this park is slowly becoming a grave yard well the nearly dead are walking around there field playing with the balls why tax payers get nothing in return apart from the fake or poor upkeep of this park and boredom you might aswell turn it into a car park I mean no crazy golf for kids or putting come on
According to another local, the council didn't actually buy the place but inherited it from Ms. Debenham. Maybe it was somewhat of a poisoned gift as in they wouldn't have taken on the current expenses and upkeep if such are beyond their means.
I want to copulate with Jenni. [Aussie in BC]
Bruce Blake You should know that a gentleman doesn't mention his sexual desires to the world. Is that all you get from this show? Remove your crass comments and stop polluting.
warning: Bruce is horny.... again
Yeah we know... you comment on it in ever episode. Its gross. Have some respect.
A mate of mine at uni told me that Jenny is the TT bike & that 1 of hers kids is Phil's..
Just had a word with my mate who reckons your mate might be a bit of numpty. I hope they manage to keep their opinions to themselves in the future.
i dont even know what any of that means
@@Jigger2361 I think it's just another stupid troll as daft as *trappy.*
What happened to Carenza?
She's with Guy.... at 8:42 you see her with him examining earlier finds.
She's a professor at the University of Lincoln and tweets as CarenzaLewis.