This episode gave Time Team a lot of professional credibility - It proved to their peers that they used sound archaeological process, and used good logic to reach conclusions.
hate to break it to you buddy time team ended this is camping with Steve but im sure Steve will pass it on to Toni and the gang at time team for you when he sees them at the UA-cam cafeteria there in you tube land, all is well!
This has long been one of my very favourite Time Team episodes. Exposing hoaxes, whether perpetrated by whimsical antiquarian vicars or possibly more avaricious modern seekers of tourists, is one of the most valuable activities archaeologists can perform for us today.
Very true. whoever did it was probably getting money from gullible tourists and others, for their own gain. Through the investigations that Time Team did, they revealed that the sites were set up as hoaxes to throw off future archeologists. When I first started watching this episode I had an inkling that the sites were too good to be true.
I found this episode particularly fascinating : to think that "someone" went to great lengths to "manufacture a bogus archeological site - within living memory".
But the Christians might have pilfered the spring of early coins as they were expected to demean paganism not practice it in the years following the time of the earliest finds.
For crying out loud!! 🤦♀️I never put it together. Your post broke it down into parts simple enough for me-- thanks! Uuummmm... Circle K is for 'o' and 'k,' Okay/OK. To be fair, I figured that one out by 8 yrs old. Not a peep about my age when I finally twigged onto Guantanamo = GITMO
Absolutely fascinating. The coin piles on the table and determining what period of time saw the most activity. Now I wish I'd gone down this route in my education instead of mechanical engineering. Stumbled upon this video by pure chance as it played after something else I was watching, got up for a cup of tea and here it was. What a treat. Thank you
Wow!!! I found TIme Team here on UA-cam a few months ago. As an American who worked one summer (1990) digging trenches before roads and coal mines tore thru southern Ohio's farm lands and never found anything very interesting, I am amazed by the huge diversity of archaeology in the British Isles. This episode is one of my absolute favorites. Amazing finds, but still bull$#!+
The amount of commercials are just mindblowing, after 9min of the video I've had 3 commercial breaks in total of 14 minutes. That's 5 more minutes than I've watched the show!!
What a great program. As a Geologist, I consult on archeological surveys and artifacts, but have never seen anything as deliberate as this. Thanks for the field discipline that revealed this monumental hoax.
What an interesting episode! I find it massively cagey that the actual owner should be so wary of taking part, having a last-minute "change of heart". If you have all this potential archaeology in your backyard, you'd want to get in there and find out everything there is to know! Maybe the stepson really didn't know, but I smell something fishy, definitely. I knew in the first few minutes of the episode the ancient stuff was nonsense, since the older standing stone was plonked in the middle of a newer trackway. That sword part though, hurt. tisk-tisk
Agreed. Seeing the son-in-law's reaction when told about the sword, I don't think he knew about it. He seemed like he was figuring out the lies in his head and still trying to keep it together. It looks like his whole world was crushed.
still one of the most important episodes of time team. but also a weird british understatement example as to how to get along with fraud. love every second of it.
So funny that there was a piece of Keiller marmalade jar in the dig that helped date the floor. Alexander Keiller was an heir to the Keiller marmalade fortune, but he was more interested in archaeology than in marmalade. He was the chief investigator, conservator and promoter of the cultural value of Avebury Henge and Stone Circle, as well as being involved with many other archeological sites in Britain.
and to scratch 'hitler' and a swastika in to a statue of hercules too. So not only was he dumping the stuff, he defaced several pieces just in what they found.
I thought I had seen every episode of T.T. until this one today. And then about halfway through, I was wondering if this was the episode of the faked archaeological site. Then they found the sword with the barbed wire underneath it, and I realized it was. I had not seen the episode for about 7 years, so I kind of forgot some of it. I think we all can now understand and trust that archaeologists absolutely know what they're talking about.
@Ride TheCurve at the least, a very cool, rare iron age sword was found and donated to a museum. But yea, I have to agree that this site is an archeological crime scene. 😆
Yeah, but at least they could have helped expose the deception. It was good the deception was revealed. Such a shame those artifacts have no context and no value as a result.
They would stand aside, and let "time team" come to the same conclusions as themselves, totally independently, with out claims of being influenced by, or in colusion with the local archaeologists. a totally independent result, and of course it keeps the local archaeologists out of any local bad feelings or accusations about "doing down" the local farmer.
I remember seeing this episode years ago and vividly remembering how you could tell how professionally pissed Carenza was at the sword on top of the barbed wire
Spot on about the ratio of ceramics to metal in a site. I've seen this myself in digs in Scandinavia. Heaps of pottery and food waste such as nut shells and bones everywhere, but finding a metal object was the highlight of the day, if not the week.
Imagine if that had been a thing... Time Team digging up supposed archaeologic remains, whilst the Myth busters crew bust tech/construction myths related to the time period the dig is related to.
@@larryzigler6812 Im not sure how else to rephrase that mate. Mythbusters were known for creating or recreating all sorts of gadgets to bust myths. Had they been working in tandem with Time Team, perhaps they could have made historic technology in order to recreate certain activities of the time period/location of each dig site. There could be an element of busting myths/misconceptions of each time period in order to better understand historic accuracy.
It's pretty clear what's going on here - the site is a hotspot for time traveling anomalies; people get stranded there from all timelines and must sacrifice a belonging in order to open a new portal to their destination. okay jokes. Red flags were waving for me when Tony said the local archies refused to be a part of it. If you were a local digger you'd know about that site and you'd be *chomping at the bit* to get your hands on it and prove it's legit. Unless you already knew it wasn't. I bet the camera-shy father let the local digs use it for a playground and didn't think TT would actually turn up. Oh to be a fly on the wall in the house that evening...
While the centuries old ruins you've visited are cool, you seem to often overlook the MUCH older megalithic architecture they are sometimes built upon. This video was just one example of this. Love your work though. Congrats from Oz🇦🇺
Uhhh the owner? Remember two things: he refused to be interviewed. I have NEVER seen an episode where the location owner wasn’t part of the episode. And two, the local archaeologists refuse to touch this site. I bet they all suspect him. Plus Tony flat out ASKED THE SON IN LAW. He would never have done that on camera if he wasn’t pretty damn sure it was the owner. I’ll give SIL the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t know about this and that’s why he was ok with being on the episode
@@Eric_Hutton.1980 I posted a comment on one of Guy de la Bédoyère videos as he has his own youtube channel, I cannot find it but i believe he said something along the lines....they heard about the place before and felt before hand it was very dodgy
Great episode of time team, Ive never seen one like it before. Just goes to show you can’t pull the wool over their eyes in regard to the artefacts they find being from an authentic site or them being planted items from other sites. Interesting part about that reverent constructing phoney ancient sites on his property. I love how excited Tony became when talking to those two men about the coins, the English are great, when they were all sitting around talking about the sawed how polite they all were when conversing. It must be great to be an archaeologist in a country that has such a long history of human occupation, providing such a rich supply archaeological sites.
Tony & Mick were exactly right. If an artefact is removed from its original site, it loses its historical significance. This site is, at best, an antiquarian hoax - at worst, a criminal endeavor.
I think that's utter nonsense. People are not bound inextricably from exact sites. Locations only tell you where something ended, not where it began or traveled. The idea that something has no historical significance if removed from where it collected dirt the longest is absurd. I find the history of when it was used far more useful and interesting than when it was not used, and you don't need to know where it was lost dropped to learn about how it was used when it was made. Now obviously knowing where something came from is better than not knowing, and subterfuge or amusement park reassembling of historical sites is least preferable of all, but if the itesm themselves are legitimate, then they carry with them legitimate historical value.
Chill the f*** out dude. You guys are always wrong about everything anyway. "The pyramids are 5 thousand years old...." I hear you saying that in a squeaky Bill Nye🤷🏿👨⚕️👩⚕️👨🔬👩🔬🧑🔬🤷🏿 wrong about the Vaks_Scene voice.
@@promontorium Well, friend, I understand what you're saying, to a degree. The sword that was discovered on this site has historical significance in itself, true. But not being discovered in situ completely erases its historical provenance. It's HISTORY is lost. Consider, for instance, the gold artefacts which have been looted from the pre-Columbian civilizations of the Americas. No idea where they came from, who made them, what their historical significance was to the culture they belonged to. They simply become pretty pieces of gold, to be sold on the black market. We only know their POSSIBLE significance from similar pieces which have been discovered in legitimate archeological investigations. In the same way, the sword in this episode is a remarkable piece of history, but WHAT its actual history is, we have no way of knowing.
I think the fact that the owner of the property changed his mind at the last minute to give an interview says it all really. The spring that wasn't a spring turned up 2,000 years of finds that were found on top of 20 year old barbed wire. Case closed your Honour.
Amazing I find this incredible how these guys work. What a wonderful job doesn't seem to hard it would only take years. I wish I had them would love to learn this .
It's *EXTREMELY* suspicious! Someone willing to throw his stepson to the wolves like that, is definitely capable of perpetrating something as nefarious as this...
I wonder what motive the neighbour who contacted TT about the site had? Its tempting to think perhaps they knew about shenanigans and wanted it stopped before people got ripped off.
Time Team is so polite. If this show was in the US, there would have been a pushy guy with a mic banging on the house door insisting to talk with the guy who declined to be on TV, knowing that he planted the stuff out there. :)
Reminds me of "Edmund Black Adder" and "Baldrick" (Tony Robinson) selling "holy relics" ( by the gross, no less) while Edmund was the Archbishop of Canterbury, lol!
Is that where Tony's character got his name? Interesting. I think I'll name my next dog Baldrick. That Tony is an amazing character in his own right. Brilliant!
I reckon there would have been some fireworks in that household that night. If true, wouldn't the owner have known that the time team experts would figure out a scam quick smart? 🤦🏼♀️. Poor Son In Law.
I feel sorry for the Son-in-Law. If he was in on it he obviously wouldn't have agreed to be on camera. I think his Father-in-Law has some questions to answer.
What kind of madman creates a site like this and places ancient artifacts into the ground. Thomas Price was a strange man. I expected the statue to have made in Japan stamped on it. The sword had to be put there by the current crazy owner of the land including the spring.
Price was apparently trying to revive local paganism and had a retinue of followers. The coins and other artifacts were deposited by neo-pagans recreating ancient rituals. The used old relics to add a cachet of authenticity to their rituals.
35:16 Carenza said it! That is bloody CRIMINAL! Why did the landowner suddenly decline to show his face on camera, if he in fact wasn't the perpetrator of this CRIME? People who deal this way with important archaeological artefacts ought to get three square meals of prison food every day for a good while!
I love this stuff, but I can't stop wondering how everyone drops or leaves their jewelry laying around. Hard to find in my neighborhood and acheologists find it all over the world. My mind wonders did these people die in mid stride? Robed by people who needed glasses and had the dropsies? Seems all sorts of vilages leave jewelry behind. Amazing to me!🙃
Proper episode! Sometimes I do wonder though, some interpretations are not conclusive. For example: you find a floor with a coin from, 1333 on top. Conclusion: floor is older than 1333. However, someone could've dug some dirt (with coin) in 1413 and deposited it on the old floor of the derelict house that then gets flattened to make room for a garden. The conclusion that the coin is thus newer than the floor isnt set in stone.
wht if the sword was dug up in some soil with a digger bucket and emptied there on top of the barb wire whilst getting the service drain in, and the rest of the artifacts hidden there during the war by an antique collector.
Why doesn't anyone suggest the sword had been dug up in the soil when the work was done, then shoveled back when it was evened out. I think it would be rare that construction guys would be on the lookout for artifacts or take notice of a lumpy muddy thing that looks like a stick.
The owners wanted to turn the place into a tourist attraction and make money. They had to make an investment to make a profit. I smelled a rat when the old man didn't want to talk.
Hmmmmm…the owner didn’t want to be interviewed so he had his son in law do it. This is a 20 year hoax… I think the guy who refused to be interviewed did it. I’ll give SIL the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t know. But awesome episode. I like seeing these guys DISPROVE an ancient site as much as finding a genuine one
Could this site have been a camp for Foreign Nationalities living in Britain, being given the task to build a folly and dig in for people to find items for fun in Summertime picnics?
I’m glad the time team were able to determine the objects at the site had not been there since ancient times. However, I think we should be hesitant to accuse the owners of any wrongdoing, because ultimately we cannot know how those objects got there. Although archaeologists can gather a lot of information about a site, it is impossible for them to ever have the full picture or account for every variable. For example, perhaps when that cable trench was filled back in the excavators scooped up soil from another spot in the yard and the sword was deposited then unknowingly. Who knows. When it comes to archaeology, it’s important to recognize that not everything can be determined with certainty because ultimately we just weren’t there when it happened. In this case, I think the time team did a good job of determining that the artifacts weren’t part of an ancient site and that’s what our only takeaway should be.
@lalaLAX219 Everyone is innocent until proven guilty and it's nice to see someone prepared to be the Defence lawyer in what appears to be an open and shut case.
The sword was found on top of barbwire but next to utility lines. What about the idea that the earth dug from the ditch being made for the utility lines run to the new house was laid next to the ditch? The sword could have been dug from the new ditch from an excavator and could have been overlooked or simply pressed into position from the excavator refilling or covering the new utility lines. That could explain why it was on top of the barbwire. Im sure the experts thought of this and with all the evidence as a whole pointing at a sham, that if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck then its a duck.
Glad the sword was donated to a local museum but, I wonder what happened to all of the other finds. Were they handed over to the landowner who decided to forgo the interview?🤔
if objects are found on your and and below a certain threshold for value/importance, they belong to the landowner. Higher value, then national archeology can pay a reasonable value for the goods and basically take them.
It was a waterhole all passengers drank from and as they bent over stuff fell out their pockets. Not “ritually smashed”, if a broche was broken it fell off as they kneeled over the water.
I smelled a hoax at 5:45 when the land owner didn't want to talk and had his son-in-law do the talking. The things some people will do to make money. smh
One of the carved heads looks like an Easter Island Moai. Past Time Team showed how prolific the throwing of modelled Icons, in to the waters for blessings when embarking on or along the way on pilgrimages. Makes sense.⛏🗿 This site might be on a trail of pilgrimage. OR. An early 1900 Folly. For visitors to the area to visit and fossick. That’s the second manufactured site I’ve watched. Just as important as other sites. The understanding needs work and investigation for context. Maybe the military were told to put everything back where they got it. Returned to sod after a death.
I love the detective aspect of proving these finds FALSE, but I got the impression that you were saying the sword was REAL. Even though it's obvious that these were put in this location recently, isn't the sword still one helluva find in its own right even though it tells you nothing of the site? I mean if you found a Rembrandt at a thrift store, no you couldn't date anything on the shelves around it, so in the sense of a clue, it's useless, but ... it's still a Rembrandt. :D
I love the man who salted his garden with antiquities! What fun he and his friends must have had digging up “finds”. His parties must have been fun with everyone coming back to dine and talking about the wonders they found. What a host who delighted in his machinations!
This episode gave Time Team a lot of professional credibility - It proved to their peers that they used sound archaeological process, and used good logic to reach conclusions.
hate to break it to you buddy time team ended this is camping with Steve but im sure Steve will pass it on to Toni and the gang at time team for you when he sees them at the UA-cam cafeteria there in you tube land, all is well!
@@simonhawker9277hate to break it to u son but ur comment got no likes and isnt funny lol 😂 o and time team is still going 🤡 lol
This has long been one of my very favourite Time Team episodes. Exposing hoaxes, whether perpetrated by whimsical antiquarian vicars or possibly more avaricious modern seekers of tourists, is one of the most valuable activities archaeologists can perform for us today.
Very true. whoever did it was probably getting money from gullible tourists and others, for their own gain. Through the investigations that Time Team did, they revealed that the sites were set up as hoaxes to throw off future archeologists. When I first started watching this episode I had an inkling that the sites were too good to be true.
I agree. What a great episode.
Same here, I always liked this episode.
100%. In trying to fool the experts, they've only validated WHY they are experts.
Right up there with the episode where after three days they found absolutely nothing. That was awesome. Because it’s realistic.
This is, perhaps the most compelling episode of Time Team I've ever witnessed. It delivers a painfully important message. Thanks for sharing it.
Probably one of the best episodes ever! And that sword! And that barbed wire!
One of the many reasons I like and miss Tony, how in the opening when the dog comes up to him, he without hesitation gives him a pat.
Tony is now on the new crowd funded Time Team channel on UA-cam along with many original members.
Send the team to Oak Island and let them expose the ongoing scam there as well! This was an epic episode!
After that terrible series was made that lasted for what, 10 seasons and found nothing? I would love to see Oak Island officially debunked.
What…nothing??? I don’t believe that one…prove it
It can get tedious at times.
That show was so hokey
The proof is that they found nothing. You prove that they found something if you disagree. It should be easy if you’re right.
I found this episode particularly fascinating : to think that "someone" went to great lengths to "manufacture a bogus archeological site - within living memory".
38:21 Love Tony's slight pause before saying baldrick :D
Wait a minute, is he baldrick from Black Adder? He's always looked familiar but I could never figure out from where..
@@wallykimball8829 yes it is him
Good catch. 😆👍
Shout-out to Blackadder! Well played, Sir Tony!
I thought it was because it sounded suggestive haha The truth is way better!
Tony Robinson going out of his way to explain that the sword is held on to someone's belt by a BALDRICK is hilarious.
But the Christians might have pilfered the spring of early coins as they were expected to demean paganism not practice it in the years following the time of the earliest finds.
For crying out loud!! 🤦♀️I never put it together. Your post broke it down into parts simple enough for me-- thanks!
Uuummmm... Circle K is for 'o' and 'k,' Okay/OK. To be fair, I figured that one out by 8 yrs old. Not a peep about my age when I finally twigged onto Guantanamo = GITMO
He had a clever plan! (Will be lost on anyone who never watched Blackadder.)
@@czgator9000a cunning plan actually 🥴
😂😂😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤
Absolutely fascinating.
The coin piles on the table and determining what period of time saw the most activity.
Now I wish I'd gone down this route in my education instead of mechanical engineering.
Stumbled upon this video by pure chance as it played after something else I was watching, got up for a cup of tea and here it was.
What a treat.
Thank you
Wow!!!
I found TIme Team here on UA-cam a few months ago.
As an American who worked one summer (1990) digging trenches before roads and coal mines tore thru southern Ohio's farm lands and never found anything very interesting, I am amazed by the huge diversity of archaeology in the British Isles.
This episode is one of my absolute favorites.
Amazing finds, but still bull$#!+
The amount of commercials are just mindblowing, after 9min of the video I've had 3 commercial breaks in total of 14 minutes. That's 5 more minutes than I've watched the show!!
I'd advise an adblocker
came for the commercials stayed for the history show that kept breaking in!
What a great program. As a Geologist, I consult on archeological surveys and artifacts, but have never seen anything as deliberate as this. Thanks for the field discipline that revealed this monumental hoax.
What an interesting episode! I find it massively cagey that the actual owner should be so wary of taking part, having a last-minute "change of heart". If you have all this potential archaeology in your backyard, you'd want to get in there and find out everything there is to know! Maybe the stepson really didn't know, but I smell something fishy, definitely. I knew in the first few minutes of the episode the ancient stuff was nonsense, since the older standing stone was plonked in the middle of a newer trackway. That sword part though, hurt. tisk-tisk
Nice that the TimeTeam editors included the footage of Tony rubbing the bridge of his nose when he should have been interviewing the owner...
Agreed. Seeing the son-in-law's reaction when told about the sword, I don't think he knew about it. He seemed like he was figuring out the lies in his head and still trying to keep it together. It looks like his whole world was crushed.
I agree. that was my first prickle of - this isn't what it seems. SO much interesting stuff, it felt planted for sure.
@@darthd3021 oh to be a fly on the wall when he confronted his father-in-law...I wonder if he's still the son-in-law or if he GTFO...
Yup, my guess it’s the owner who did this. I’ll give son in law the benefit of the doubt that he isn’t aware of this
still one of the most important episodes of time team. but also a weird british understatement example as to how to get along with fraud. love every second of it.
This is a great episode, because it highlights the rigorous research methodologies organic to modern archeaology.
Great episode . loved how calmly they confronted the owner's son in law that they have been caught
Nothing to show they were responsible for any wrongdoing.
On camera, at least, the Time Team crew showed remarkably restrained comments when the archaeological story began to unravel.
So funny that there was a piece of Keiller marmalade jar in the dig that helped date the floor. Alexander Keiller was an heir to the Keiller marmalade fortune, but he was more interested in archaeology than in marmalade. He was the chief investigator, conservator and promoter of the cultural value of Avebury Henge and Stone Circle, as well as being involved with many other archeological sites in Britain.
how rich someone must be to dump original items into a mudhole. And how insane
and to scratch 'hitler' and a swastika in to a statue of hercules too. So not only was he dumping the stuff, he defaced several pieces just in what they found.
I thought I had seen every episode of T.T. until this one today. And then about halfway through, I was wondering if this was the episode of the faked archaeological site. Then they found the sword with the barbed wire underneath it, and I realized it was. I had not seen the episode for about 7 years, so I kind of forgot some of it.
I think we all can now understand and trust that archaeologists absolutely know what they're talking about.
This is just as impressive as finding a real site. Their expertise is really on par here
To my eyes, it's a sort of crime scene. The father in law is "Individual 1". What a waste of archeologists' time!
@Ride TheCurve at the least, a very cool, rare iron age sword was found and donated to a museum. But yea, I have to agree that this site is an archeological crime scene. 😆
At the end where they said Bill was going to donate the sword; I kind of picked up a bit of that beautiful British humor. Love this episode.
Wow, after watching a bunch of episodes with a few old pots, that wishing well collection is impressive!
The local archaeologists who refused to take part obviously know the landowners better than time team. Seems they may have a reputation already.
Yeah, but at least they could have helped expose the deception. It was good the deception was revealed. Such a shame those artifacts have no context and no value as a result.
They would stand aside, and let "time team" come to the same conclusions as themselves, totally independently, with out claims of being influenced by, or in colusion with the local archaeologists. a totally independent result, and of course it keeps the local archaeologists out of any local bad feelings or accusations about "doing down" the local farmer.
@@j.l.thurman2725 I would say not NO value, but much more limited value.
Yup, I could practically hear Tony screaming in his head OH BULLSHIT when SIL said the owner didn’t do this hoax
I remember seeing this episode years ago and vividly remembering how you could tell how professionally pissed Carenza was at the sword on top of the barbed wire
Spot on about the ratio of ceramics to metal in a site. I've seen this myself in digs in Scandinavia. Heaps of pottery and food waste such as nut shells and bones everywhere, but finding a metal object was the highlight of the day, if not the week.
Mick's sweater is inside-out! 🙃Love this series!!!
This is like a MythBusters episode crossed with a Time Team episode. Splendid.
Imagine if that had been a thing... Time Team digging up supposed archaeologic remains, whilst the Myth busters crew bust tech/construction myths related to the time period the dig is related to.
@@RatelHBadger Please translate into English
@@larryzigler6812 Im not sure how else to rephrase that mate. Mythbusters were known for creating or recreating all sorts of gadgets to bust myths. Had they been working in tandem with Time Team, perhaps they could have made historic technology in order to recreate certain activities of the time period/location of each dig site.
There could be an element of busting myths/misconceptions of each time period in order to better understand historic accuracy.
Ooooh what a great and accurate comparison
It's pretty clear what's going on here - the site is a hotspot for time traveling anomalies; people get stranded there from all timelines and must sacrifice a belonging in order to open a new portal to their destination.
okay jokes. Red flags were waving for me when Tony said the local archies refused to be a part of it. If you were a local digger you'd know about that site and you'd be *chomping at the bit* to get your hands on it and prove it's legit. Unless you already knew it wasn't. I bet the camera-shy father let the local digs use it for a playground and didn't think TT would actually turn up. Oh to be a fly on the wall in the house that evening...
When I first saw this episode years ago i was quite upset that time team hadn't found anything. Now it's one of my favorites
While the centuries old ruins you've visited are cool, you seem to often overlook the MUCH older megalithic architecture they are sometimes built upon. This video was just one example of this. Love your work though. Congrats from Oz🇦🇺
Who on earth would have comprised a composite jumble such as that? And why. With such valuable artifacts.A first class mystery it is.
Uhhh the owner? Remember two things: he refused to be interviewed. I have NEVER seen an episode where the location owner wasn’t part of the episode. And two, the local archaeologists refuse to touch this site. I bet they all suspect him. Plus Tony flat out ASKED THE SON IN LAW. He would never have done that on camera if he wasn’t pretty damn sure it was the owner. I’ll give SIL the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t know about this and that’s why he was ok with being on the episode
@@colleens1107 Thatdoes not answer my question which was why.
Great investigation and episode.
One of my fav sites, I wonder if they ever found out what the deal was with the site
Would be fascinating to know what was going on with this site.
@@Eric_Hutton.1980 I posted a comment on one of Guy de la Bédoyère videos as he has his own youtube channel, I cannot find it but i believe he said something along the lines....they heard about the place before and felt before hand it was very dodgy
Great episode of time team, Ive never seen one like it before. Just goes to show you can’t pull the wool over their eyes in regard to the artefacts they find being from an authentic site or them being planted items from other sites. Interesting part about that reverent constructing phoney ancient sites on his property. I love how excited Tony became when talking to those two men about the coins, the English are great, when they were all sitting around talking about the sawed how polite they all were when conversing. It must be great to be an archaeologist in a country that has such a long history of human occupation, providing such a rich supply archaeological sites.
Tony & Mick were exactly right. If an artefact is removed from its original site, it loses its historical significance. This site is, at best, an antiquarian hoax - at worst, a criminal endeavor.
A loss to all history lovers and the public in general. Knowledge about the past lost in this way should be a crime.
@@Eric_Hutton.1980 I agree with you 100%, friend. Thanks for your reply.
I think that's utter nonsense. People are not bound inextricably from exact sites. Locations only tell you where something ended, not where it began or traveled. The idea that something has no historical significance if removed from where it collected dirt the longest is absurd. I find the history of when it was used far more useful and interesting than when it was not used, and you don't need to know where it was lost dropped to learn about how it was used when it was made.
Now obviously knowing where something came from is better than not knowing, and subterfuge or amusement park reassembling of historical sites is least preferable of all, but if the itesm themselves are legitimate, then they carry with them legitimate historical value.
Chill the f*** out dude. You guys are always wrong about everything anyway. "The pyramids are 5 thousand years old...." I hear you saying that in a squeaky Bill Nye🤷🏿👨⚕️👩⚕️👨🔬👩🔬🧑🔬🤷🏿 wrong about the Vaks_Scene voice.
@@promontorium Well, friend, I understand what you're saying, to a degree. The sword that was discovered on this site has historical significance in itself, true. But not being discovered in situ completely erases its historical provenance. It's HISTORY is lost. Consider, for instance, the gold artefacts which have been looted from the pre-Columbian civilizations of the Americas. No idea where they came from, who made them, what their historical significance was to the culture they belonged to. They simply become pretty pieces of gold, to be sold on the black market. We only know their POSSIBLE significance from similar pieces which have been discovered in legitimate archeological investigations. In the same way, the sword in this episode is a remarkable piece of history, but WHAT its actual history is, we have no way of knowing.
I can't even imagine the frustration with this site! I myself am infuriated that someone made this hoax!
That’s the most coins I’ve seen in a episode so far but I haven’t seen all of them I just found this exciting show recently 👍🏻😉
I love Time Team, I thought this sight was too good to be true as well
Good video! 😎👍
I think the fact that the owner of the property changed his mind at the last minute to give an interview says it all really.
The spring that wasn't a spring turned up 2,000 years of finds that were found on top of 20 year old barbed wire. Case closed your Honour.
Amazing I find this incredible how these guys work. What a wonderful job doesn't seem to hard it would only take years. I wish I had them would love to learn this .
The fact that the owner of the property does not want to be interviewed on film seems slightly suspicious.
It's *EXTREMELY* suspicious! Someone willing to throw his stepson to the wolves like that, is definitely capable of perpetrating something as nefarious as this...
You obv never found anything of importance in your life so you wouldnt know the consequences of obtaining it. Stfu
They even claimed it was a last-minute decision on his part. I had the same thought after finishing.
I wonder what motive the neighbour who contacted TT about the site had? Its tempting to think perhaps they knew about shenanigans and wanted it stopped before people got ripped off.
But if you would bury a sword, would you put it on a piece of barbed wire?
Possibly the sword was in the backfill after they laid the modern utility lines, unnoticed.
Time Team is so polite. If this show was in the US, there would have been a pushy guy with a mic banging on the house door insisting to talk with the guy who declined to be on TV, knowing that he planted the stuff out there. :)
I could sooo tell Tony wanted to shout bollocks or some other Brit phrase when the guy denied his father in law buried all that stuff
I love anything with this man talking to us
Reminds me of "Edmund Black Adder" and "Baldrick" (Tony Robinson) selling "holy relics" ( by the gross, no less) while Edmund was the Archbishop of Canterbury, lol!
Is that where Tony's character got his name? Interesting. I think I'll name my next dog Baldrick. That Tony is an amazing character in his own right. Brilliant!
1:29 in I just wanna guess it’s a folley? Ahh I love this show. So happy I found it just wish was years earlier. Ok back to the program
Shoulda waited 10sec. Deff a folley. That was a captain obvious thing I guess sorry
Love your videos. You inspired me. Now I'm looking at Google Earth to see what I can find and go check out. Thanks !
I reckon there would have been some fireworks in that household that night. If true, wouldn't the owner have known that the time team experts would figure out a scam quick smart? 🤦🏼♀️. Poor Son In Law.
Some ppl take great pleasure in faking out the experts, and think they are smarter for it.
I really must admit, I admire how they still have fingernails amongst so much salvaging. Wooow . One of those timeless mysteries.
This is actually more interesting than a real site.
I feel sorry for the Son-in-Law. If he was in on it he obviously wouldn't have agreed to be on camera. I think his Father-in-Law has some questions to answer.
I’m not sure if I was watching Time Team or a new CSI:Archeology show.
Same haha -- no complaints though! This was really fun/interesting to watch
LOL, I was thinking something along those lines. Sometimes they have had to play detectives.
Man, now I really want CSI: Archeology to be a thing.
Great detective work!
38:24 ❤ Baldrick
This is such a good ep
What kind of madman creates a site like this and places ancient artifacts into the ground. Thomas Price was a strange man. I expected the statue to have made in Japan stamped on it. The sword had to be put there by the current crazy owner of the land including the spring.
Price was apparently trying to revive local paganism and had a retinue of followers. The coins and other artifacts were deposited by neo-pagans recreating ancient rituals. The used old relics to add a cachet of authenticity to their rituals.
35:16 Carenza said it! That is bloody CRIMINAL! Why did the landowner suddenly decline to show his face on camera, if he in fact wasn't the perpetrator of this CRIME? People who deal this way with important archaeological artefacts ought to get three square meals of prison food every day for a good while!
I love this stuff, but I can't stop wondering how everyone drops or leaves their jewelry laying around. Hard to find in my neighborhood and acheologists find it all over the world. My mind wonders did these people die in mid stride? Robed by people who needed glasses and had the dropsies? Seems all sorts of vilages leave jewelry behind. Amazing to me!🙃
Proper episode!
Sometimes I do wonder though, some interpretations are not conclusive.
For example: you find a floor with a coin from, 1333 on top. Conclusion: floor is older than 1333.
However, someone could've dug some dirt (with coin) in 1413 and deposited it on the old floor of the derelict house that then gets flattened to make room for a garden. The conclusion that the coin is thus newer than the floor isnt set in stone.
beautiful countryside- reminds me of eastern Tennessee
The doggie is so cute! 🤗
wht if the sword was dug up in some soil with a digger bucket and emptied there on top of the barb wire whilst getting the service drain in, and the rest of the artifacts hidden there during the war by an antique collector.
A true "gotch ya!" Well done Time Team. Yep , send the bill to those dodgy creeps.
Never would have thunk it in a thousand years looks great
I love Tony as in his role for this series, but I will always hear Baldwick in Black Adder.
Baldric
That shows how much research and work you'll have to put into faking an archeological site :)
The amount of effort and money to do that is nuts
Why doesn't anyone suggest the sword had been dug up in the soil when the work was done, then shoveled back when it was evened out. I think it would be rare that construction guys would be on the lookout for artifacts or take notice of a lumpy muddy thing that looks like a stick.
Is it just me or is Phil getting YOUNGER?!!🤔😳😁
And Tony sporting an earring.
Maybe 15yrs old?
Such an adventure Angie
Where would someone in the last 20 years ob tain an apparently still incrusted 2000 year old sword and what could be a motive ? Bizarre
The owners wanted to turn the place into a tourist attraction and make money. They had to make an investment to make a profit. I smelled a rat when the old man didn't want to talk.
The channel is interesting, but how about addressing some of these Comments and questions?
This is an interesting video it explains that there are people who will go to any means to create fraud for profit.
Hard to see what profit they would get from this.
Why the tight time schedule..?
The episode of ' Liar ' 😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬
Hmmmmm…the owner didn’t want to be interviewed so he had his son in law do it. This is a 20 year hoax… I think the guy who refused to be interviewed did it. I’ll give SIL the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t know. But awesome episode. I like seeing these guys DISPROVE an ancient site as much as finding a genuine one
What a shame . Its a crime 😮
Could this site have been a camp for Foreign Nationalities living in Britain, being given the task to build a folly and dig in for people to find items for fun in Summertime picnics?
No.
Wouldn't some remainder of public knowledge still remain, very small communities around there.
38:20 what is known as a Baldrick .... Instant Black Adder vibes. 😅 😂😂😂🥳
I’m glad the time team were able to determine the objects at the site had not been there since ancient times. However, I think we should be hesitant to accuse the owners of any wrongdoing, because ultimately we cannot know how those objects got there. Although archaeologists can gather a lot of information about a site, it is impossible for them to ever have the full picture or account for every variable. For example, perhaps when that cable trench was filled back in the excavators scooped up soil from another spot in the yard and the sword was deposited then unknowingly. Who knows. When it comes to archaeology, it’s important to recognize that not everything can be determined with certainty because ultimately we just weren’t there when it happened. In this case, I think the time team did a good job of determining that the artifacts weren’t part of an ancient site and that’s what our only takeaway should be.
@lalaLAX219 Everyone is innocent until proven guilty and it's nice to see someone prepared to be the Defence lawyer in what appears to be an open and shut case.
Thank you.
This was like when you open the cookie tin and find buttons.
What a bummer.😐
It does sound great. Most engines don't sound as good as people want to think they do.
The sword was found on top of barbwire but next to utility lines. What about the idea that the earth dug from the ditch being made for the utility lines run to the new house was laid next to the ditch? The sword could have been dug from the new ditch from an excavator and could have been overlooked or simply pressed into position from the excavator refilling or covering the new utility lines. That could explain why it was on top of the barbwire. Im sure the experts thought of this and with all the evidence as a whole pointing at a sham, that if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck then its a duck.
Chris Gordon ..You have stated the most logical explanation of anyone on this site.I think that is logical as to what happened.
Nonsense. You don't re-position an ancient rare sword over your new installation. Laugh is over, let's be serious.
Glad the sword was donated to a local museum but, I wonder what happened to all of the other finds. Were they handed over to the landowner who decided to forgo the interview?🤔
if objects are found on your and and below a certain threshold for value/importance, they belong to the landowner. Higher value, then national archeology can pay a reasonable value for the goods and basically take them.
well he did put them there in the first place
It was a waterhole all passengers drank from and as they bent over stuff fell out their pockets. Not “ritually smashed”, if a broche was broken it fell off as they kneeled over the water.
What part of "This spring did not exist before 1972" were you not understanding? 38:10
WOW! an epic burn. the father in law knows what's going on that's why he didn't want to talk about it. I swear it.
That darn barbed wire! lol, The Team knew from the start it was a hoax.
Pretty clear why the landowner decided he didn’t want to be interviewed
22:24 Thomas Price looks like Tony.
I smelled a hoax at 5:45 when the land owner didn't want to talk and had his son-in-law do the talking. The things some people will do to make money. smh
Just goes to show the integrity of the show and the people who work on it. Unlike Oak Island which has no integrity.
lol, The Time Team knew it was a hoax from the start, but they need eyeballs to make money, same with Oak Island hoax.
One of the carved heads looks like an Easter Island Moai. Past Time Team showed how prolific the throwing of modelled Icons, in to the waters for blessings when embarking on or along the way on pilgrimages. Makes sense.⛏🗿 This site might be on a trail of pilgrimage. OR. An early 1900 Folly. For visitors to the area to visit and fossick. That’s the second manufactured site I’ve watched. Just as important as other sites. The understanding needs work and investigation for context. Maybe the military were told to put everything back where they got it. Returned to sod after a death.
I love the detective aspect of proving these finds FALSE, but I got the impression that you were saying the sword was REAL. Even though it's obvious that these were put in this location recently, isn't the sword still one helluva find in its own right even though it tells you nothing of the site? I mean if you found a Rembrandt at a thrift store, no you couldn't date anything on the shelves around it, so in the sense of a clue, it's useless, but ... it's still a Rembrandt. :D
9:52 Two men talking about their periods. They were decades ahead of their time!
I love the man who salted his garden with antiquities! What fun he and his friends must have had digging up “finds”. His parties must have been fun with everyone coming back to dine and talking about the wonders they found. What a host who delighted in his machinations!
That's quite a disgusting statement.
Oh great idea! I think I’ll break into a graveyard and do some grave robbing so I’ll have a fun activity for my next brunch 😒😒