Why the FANTASTIC FOUR Have Secretly Been in the MCU Since THE AVENGERS!
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Every time you share your juvenile and frankly, garbage fanfic - I am so glad you don't write for the MCU.
Doctor Strange said that didn’t you chart in the 60’s. They could have been trapped in the negative zone in the 70’s and was brought back after the snap. Also they could’ve been trapped in another universe.
So we're never getting screen crush's series the winter soldier: what if hydra won part 2?
I'll tell you a better one... the FF were around with hank pym and the original wasp they indeed travel to the stars but same as with the quantum realm time happens differently, they get involved in the intergalactic empires' war (kree, skrull, shi'ar, and so on) because of that involvement the secret invasion included earth (mutants were prosecuted during those days -cap.marvel time- and that is when xmen2 takes place C.Xavier takes the decision to affect memories on humanity avoiding recognition of mutants and inhumans -kree mutants- thus awakening so many cosmic entities i.e. galactus, phoenix, alien xternals and eternals- but the most perilous on earth being Onslaught ) then they never came back due to other intergalactic multiversal issues (featuring the eternals and some other cosmic beings) they decide to come back to earth due to susan being pregnant, he -R.Richards- knows about mutants, to have their babt be born as an earthling that us when Doom is presented since he has been dragged by the FF in their travels and has been involved in the intergalactic multiversal issues as well in opposition to R.Richards he knows about onslaugth from there anything can happen.😂
i put like an hour and a half into that Ipsos thing, but it kept asking me questions about what I wear on my face over and over and I got sick to death of answering the same exact questions for when I'm with my family or when I'm with my friends or when I'm at work. I wear a uniform at work. Why isn't that even an option ? I deleted my account already. But, at least it wasn't FUM.
ScreenCrush just casually writing better character development and continuity than the MCU lol
Just hire Ryan and Colton at this point lol
Yeah like halfway through this I'm like this is already way better than anything the actual MCU writers can possibly come up with they'll most likely just hamfist them into the MCU with no regard for anything else before or after.
*Screenwriters watching like* --______--
Given the MCU's current batch of writers (no offense) but that isn't hard to do.
MCU writers looking at this post like 👀
This literally gave me goosebumps. The dueling post credits scenes are *chefs kiss*
Could not agree more! 🤯
marvel needs to hire these folks, they clearly make better story than whoever is in charge right now damn it!
@@Skoozmy thoughts exactly
Wow. I thought you were exaggerating. Yep got the bumps. This would big humongous!!
Your theories and videos of how a movie should have been done are always so much better than what they actually do. It's a shame your not an actual MCU writer.
It’s passion and enthusiasm versus some corpo scum who’s at Disney because it pays well, or worse they had dreams of writing the next Mickey Mouse but due layoffs was forced into joining Marvels team.
No, it's not. It's nice, if that was the case, he wouldn't be here.
Agreed. They need to hired Ryan!!
@@milosan259I think it's a shame he puts out these vids cos they usually lead to disappointment tbh. Much prefer the analyzing what happened vids to the speculative what might vids. But that's just me.
Yeah I agree, I feel like marvel studios should hire you for the board table of ideas
You actually made me excited for the MCU instead of just being like, "okay. Let's see what they do." That duel end credit scene is brilliant. Only I'd have them in the same movie and be cutting between them until the side by side moment. Thanks for the video! Super cool.
"Explorers first and heroes second!" YES!!! I feel seen!!!! I love this outline! As a lifelong crazy FFan, I'm so happy to have a general video devoted to my favorite comicbook characters!!! This is the first genre UA-cam video I've ever bookmarked!! THANKS, Doug and Ryan!!!!
The comic that got me into the FF followed a journalist who was tagging along with them in the Fantasticar and at the end of the story he wrote, "I've come to realize the Fantastic Four aren't superheroes. They're explorers. Sure if Dr. Doom attacks they will be there to stop him, but ...." and he went on from there, and it's what made me fall in love with the team.
That and the part where Johnny put a skateboard on the bathroom floor while Ben Grimm was taking a shower and he slipped and scooted all the way out to Yancy Street in his birthday suit--that was freaking hilarious.
@@apeman505 Ah, the Waid/'Ringo 10-cent comic.Yep, that's what I was thinking when I reacted to Ryan. I think it was one of the best single FF issues in the group's near 65-year history. My favorite FF runs are Lee/Kirby, Byrne/Byrne/Byrne (Gordon) and Hickman. Waid is runner-up because although I love that issue and the issue where the team meets God (Jack Kirby), I think the whole run goes overboard with me with the Franklin/Mephisto thing. But Waid/'Ringo (the latter who died *wayyy* too young; may he always be remembered) should be/were damn proud of themselves, and Waid's published FF pitch alone ("Doom would rip a baby's head off and drink its blood if that's what it took to prove he was smarter than Reed Richards") was worth the entire ride.
yeah dude i wish ryan was head of writers in marvel that was a good script
but all we get are feminists forcing women empowerment
I’ve been wanting a movie to have alternate post credit scenes since the beginning of the multiverse saga. Or even release two versions of the same movie that become more and more different as they progress so we can SEE the branching of timelines play out.
That’s an awesome idea! Two versions of the “same” movie that, due to minor changes in the beginning, pan out to major changes at the end. But that’s too risks for the execs… Nope - why try something new, challenging and creative when you can pump out the same thing over and over again.
Just imagine how easy this would be to pitch to the executives too...
Hey, if we shoot like... 5 extra days of film, we can increase ticket and DVD sales by at least 40% while all of the hardcore fans try to see both versions.
Maybe down the road if this works, we could shoot enough extra scenes to do 10 versions. It would only double the cost for shooting and editing, advertisement budget is unchanged, and devoted fans are now paying 10x as much for viewing...
I might be wrong but wasn’t the newest spider verse different in various theaters?
I'd be down to be open-minded if they did this in the MCU, but realistically I don't think this is going to be the case so I would be fine with multiversal variants or they just get established later in the timeline of the MCU.
Best route to go
Yeah, they completely threw away any chance of the Black Widow movie being set further back in time with a Natasha that has had a variant Super Soldier formula like in the comics, slowed her aging and explain how she can hang with metahumans.
They could have had a much more interesting period movie like Atomic Blonde (Which was a better Black Widow movie than Black Widow was IMHO), but they are afraid to mess with the past more than they already did for Captain Marvel and Avengers Endgame.
DUDE I LOVE THIS SO MUCH!!!! These theories are just too much to just be a theory! They need to hire you for story writing!!
I love Ryan's idea on the two separate post credit scene idea, but either play them side by side or one after the other in the same theater
I think this would be a great way to get people to see it twice, though.
The way you painted this masterpiece is brilliant 👏🏻
The two different end credit scenes idea would be crazy cool!!! That would genuinely be so exciting. Could even revive the excitement of the general masses. Man, why don’t they hire you to be part of the think tank to brain storm. Ugh I guess we might miss out on these videos if that happens.
Your idea of the "Mirror" end credit scenes are, in my opinion, GENIUS! I feel that something like that, done right, would restore a lot of faith in the MCU. Excellent ideas, sir.
Love the callbacks to phase one! So many opportunities there to connect them to the universe.
the mcu needs the fantastic four now more than ever
Honestly the MCU needs anything that resembles the old comics. This new MCU is just cringe
x-men
@@ZayWicked007Absolutely. Start over with the X-Men. Done. Marvel saved. Easy.
I really don’t think the fantastic four, dr doom will fix the mcu, the xmen are a lot of characters and it’s very difficult to develop meaningful ones with just a movie or 2. Let’s be honest the one person anyone cared about at the fox xmen was wolverine because they developed the character and had a great actor.
The reasoning behind bringing Sue is that her father is one of the military high-ups and she's instrumental in getting them onto the base, and she basically demands to go with Reed as her repayment for her help. She's also familiar with the life support systems on the ship. For Johnny, it's twofold: first, he's not going to let himself be seen as not brave enough to do something his sister is doing, and second, he's basically an intuitive genius when it comes to combustion (especially as it applies to engines and fuel systems). He's been customizing hot rod cars since he was old enough to handle the tools. So he volunteers to man the fuel/engineering controls, and Reed trusts he can handle it, because he knows Johnny is like a Mozart of motors. Ben, of course, is a test pilot and has been trained in the astronaut program, so he's a 100% necessity, and Reed designed the ship.
I loved this video and this story so much AND THE POST CREDITS SCENE ITS GENIUS OMG
My favorite screen crush video of all time. Period.
I love your ambition of "retconning" them into earlier movies
Agreed lol
Typically, I hate this kind of retconning ala The Impossible Girl of Doctor Who infamy or Michael Burnham in ST: Discovery...but I'm actually down for SceenCrush's idea.
It's hard to imagine that someone of Reed's calibur wouldn't be referenced if he was living just off screen of the MCU movies til they debut, BUT secret Hydra/Shield projects be secret. And I'm loving Sue being a part of Shield and then she becomes a living Shield, pretty poetic.
Brilliant storyline! Great ideas!! I'd like to see the 60's idea!! Feige should be listening to you guys! I'd love to see this movie Ryan!😁
Dude that was awesome! What you said would really pull our interest back into what’s going on (imo) it’s fun really cool and I love the idea of bringing them back to the 50’s 60’s area. I’m mean WandaVision was so fun exploring different timelines
I always thought since Hank Pym and Golia's dialogue from the movie Ant-man and the Wasp that Reed could possibile be one of Hank's Pym assistant. Then he and Hank disagreed about the concept of Quantum realm and decided to part away.
I never knew I needed to see Sue Storm with shield training, her fight scenes would be top notch mixing in her powers
There's a comic run that I read part of where Reed and Sue are touring around the multiverse with their son and daughter and are trying to get back home (they end up fighting some dumb "Great Mourner" lady at the end, that's all I remember about it), and Ben and Johnny are stuck at the Baxter Building trying to cope with Reed being "dead." It was the one where Ben proposed to Alicia and asked Johnny to be his best man, it had the puppet master in it, too, and Ben asked for his blessing to marry his daughter? That was a good one.
(But the moleman is my second favorite FF villain after Dr. Doom, he's just some rando guy who gets lost underground and the mole people just make him their king for no reason. I love him.)
It's a common misunderstanding, but in the comics, Nathaniel Richards is *not* a descendant of Reed Richards. He is a descendant of his namesake, Nathaniel Richards of Earth-616, who is Reed Richards' father. But Kang's line of descent is through Nathaniel and a woman he meets on a post-apocalyptic alternate Earth (Nathaniel Richards intended to create a time machine that goes backwards and forwards in time, but accidentally invented a time machine that goes sideways in time, to the relative present of alternate Earths -- and he got stuck on the first one he landed on, because he didn't know how to navigate it back home, and turning it on again could easily take him somewhere much worse).
Nathaniel Richards of his alternate world's 31st century grows up dreaming of his ancestor's great adventures (o.g. Nathaniel went around helping the fragmented tribes rebuild their lost technology and eventually helped reunite the survivors -- he's remembered like a mix of Tony Stark, Johnny Appleseed, and King Arthur). He rediscovers his ancestor's time machine and uses the tech of his era to figure out the navigational problem, and takes off to live his own dreams of glory, adventure, and conquest.
So, killing Reed Richards wouldn't stop Kang from being born (also, why would any variant of Kang want to do that?).
That was perfect. I love how you cured your own applause too
Having 2 Different Post Credit Scenes Shown In Different Showings Would Be Pretty Cool! Good Idea
That’s a terrible idea. So people have to watch the entire movie twice just to get the whole story?
@@blacknoir606that's my thoughts exactly
this thing called the internet exists@@blacknoir606
@@blacknoir606 huh ? Can't you watch other one it online ?
@@bpssamsung1713 So you have to go on the internet to get the full story of a movie you paid to watch? You proving my point even more.😂
Can I just say I really love this show! Thank you for your hard work. I know I miss a few here and there but I always try to catch up when I get a moment to sit.
Pedro Pascal , Vanessa Kirby, Joseph Quinn, and Ebon Moss-Bachrach are so talented it’s exciting!!! 💫💫💫💫
Your post credit scenes... EPICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC
I was always a fan of the F4 being a 60's period piece that started in 616 MCU, they do a mission to space for whatever reason,get powers and then somehow get lost in The Negative Zone only to finally find there way back home in the "present" 616 MCU of 2025 or whatever it is..whatever they do it can't be any worse than the Tim Story movies or that POS from 2015...
Brilliant! One of your best :) LOVE IT !
if Reed is an adult in the near present (2012 i think you said) then his recognition & influence should be way bigger. the right beginning for Reed should be in the early 1960s where Howard Stark finds Reed as an adolescent, brings him to SHIELD where he can develop his talents. Reed spends about 5 to 7 years there, builds Kirby & then disappears with the other three. Howard came to know Reed like a son so he's heartbroken & this follows him into his relationship with Tony when he is eventually born. Reeds intelligence is so off the charts that it was agreed his true potential would remain hidden from the time he joined SHIELD as a science prodigy. there were other kid prodigies there like Sue so SHIELD science division people knew Reed was smart but didnt know the full extent as Howard did. Reeds disappearance with the other 3 was officially chaulked up to experiment hazard so they were proclaimed dead. the only people left who truly knew about Reed & his real smarts & the purpose of Kirby were Howard, Peggy & Col Phillips. eventually Peggy told Fury upon becoming head of SHIELD. this story works better.
The thumbnail means that the Reed worked on the Tesseract project thing which Ryan has mentioned a lot will be mentioned.
Makes perfect sense.
This is going to be better than the actual movie
Thank you for always having amazing and funny videos. I’m not a huge comic book reader but you explain and make it very interesting to get to know more about these characters and your theories.keep up the amazing work
Oh I got chills in the post credit scenes! Wooooo that would be dope! Almost like WE are in THEIR universe. How immersive!
You literally saved the MCU with a UA-cam video.
It's actually funny how professional writers can't come up with better stories than (no offense to the youtuber) a guy who makes videos for a living. I love listening to his videos about ideas for the mcu. They should hire you to write the scripts.
Danny Devito for the Mole-Man
Screen Crush's dog pet shih tzu is so adorable and he sounds like Meatwad from Agua Teen Hunger Force.
Sally Field's "THE WHOLE TIME??!!" had me rushing to hit the like button.🤣
we've already had a couple of timelost superheroes, what's 4 more??
That post credit scene would be very cool, having both of them be the same thing just alternate universes sounds interesting
Studios seriously need to hire people like this to write their stories
I love the movie images used behind your quick recap.
the fact that none of this is going to happen will make me even more sad about Marvel, but who knows maybe they have better plans or similar plans
Ryan, you and the ScreenCrush team have better ideas than Marvel Studios' actual screenwriters. This is a good pitch and I like how the first act is set in the continuity that the audience is already the most familiar with and making the second and most of the third act set in the Fantastic Four's original setting. I'm just not sure how I'd feel if the Fantastic Four essentially have to face three antagonists and lose to the main one though. Another thing I'm not really sold on is that we wouldn't see the Council of Reeds until the Secret Wars, but since this is the definitive Fantastic Four for the MCU the audience has to love them above all else, so I guess it could wait a while longer. Solid pitch.
Your ideas for the post-credit scenes are absolutely amazing.
I agree on making Sue the leader of the team. I imagine her as Emily Blunt similar to her character Rita Vrataski from Edge of Tomorrow. That's why they should keep John Krasinski as Reed. They were so good together in A Quiet Place, with their family dynamic.
Correction: Susan Storm IS NOT the heart of the Fantastic Four.
Reed Richards is the brains.. Susan ⛈Storm is the conscience.. Ben Grimm is the HEART.. & Johnny Storm is the impulse/instinct.
*side note*
Marvel has never confirmed that Kang is Reed Richards' descendant or Victor Von Doom.. They've honestly leaned more towards Doom in recent years (say theorized ScreenCrush)
Well…. Old Guy here…. I’ve been a reader of Marvel, DC, Carlton etc comics since the late 1950’s. I was eating at 5 and old history books at 6. Been into comics since then and watched or read the realities flip and switch since then will reading all of the old classics, (Heinlein, Clark, DelRey, etc ) since then. I like what you propose. I hope this or something like it can happen. Please consider more what if clips like this in the future. I find them richly engaging!
This was very well thought out. Bravo SC!
I like the way you put that together and made the story lines fit really well. I like how the character origins could be shifted just so slightly like you did and yet would fit everything thus far from the MCU and would even allow for some of the existing issues that it could smooth out. The variant end credit scene idea is absolutely brilliant too. Well done.
I'm still worried they may yet mangle the FF story like they did with that last attempt or the way DisMar has been polluting exiting canon with agenda driven nonsense.
As the late, great Stan Lee would say "Nuff Said!"
🎉🎉🎉Awesome as you were going over the first part I was thinking the same thing ❤❤
You made it so much better I hope it’s like that so brilliant 🔥
How else could the FF have been in the MCU?
Not at all
They just weren't
I had the idea of the team+doom being the first scientist to study the tesseract, they open a portal to the negative zone, travel in with a crew of red shirt shield agents. They get trapped there and develop their powers. Some agents dont make it. the movie becomes a survival story and we see all their relationship develops. think Lord of the flies. Doom and Reed clash, separates into two groups. Both are trying to make it back to Earth. FF make it back, but they've landed in the present mcu timeline. Time dilation. Doom makes it back before them, landing him earlier, allowing him to become Doom.
They should just sprinkle in the Fantastic 4, introduce them gradually over other titles before they get their own movie. There's no point in reaching back to fit them into the continuity.
@@specterknight3023 you don't even need to do that, just put them in the mcu and say they just got their powers no time travel nonsense needed.
OMG, no they haven't. Just stop.
They have, if you believe
Yea they haven’t. They are running out of UA-cam videos 😀
"Here's our version of how the Fantastic Four could be seamlessly sewn into the fabric of the Marvel Cinematic Universe."
This isn't a theory video, it's a fanon video.
Thanks!
I love Ryan. You can tell his theories always kind of get away from him. They're based in some logic and then his mind kind of goes a lil crazy. 😂😂😂
Really good! I love the idea of Sue as SHIELD agent and tactical leader. It would create tension initially with a trained fighter seemingly having a defensive power only … until she discovers the force field abilities.
I'm actually very much quite impressed with not only the story writing aspect but also the selling of it with really spectacular video editing of both the good and bad movies of these storylines. Kudos!
HOPE PEDRO PASCAL IS NOOOOT RICHARDS!
Why not?
You can shelve that hope for something different. Pascal is Reed.
Also, Sue as SHIELD asset, would explain a lot about 'rumors' that Sue is actually the most dangerous and most willing to use her powers lethally or for 'coercion' of all The Fantastic 4 family members.
I love your idea!!
I always thought that the FF should be placed during the 60s era instead of nowadays. Just a forgotten super family stuck in another dimension and is covered up by SHIELD! It makes perfect sense to do it!
I really like the idea that the Reed and his family went into space or something during the height of the space race only for whatever accident that give them their powers to either freeze them in time or catapult them forward in time to the present day where they have to adapt. Doing things that way gives the potential for a lot of character growth/development (especially on the part of Johnny and Sue).
Love your ideas on this
I love these concepts! absolutely SUPERB!
Wow! Ryan’s theory for the duel post credit scenes gave me goosebumps! I love that idea.
A semi faithful adaptation of Time runs out would be so amazing. Peak marvel comics. That post credit scene would be amazing.
I would 100% be in favour of this being the MCU’s adaptation of the Fantastic Four moving forward, great work SC
I literally just watched the fantasy 4 movie from the 90s that was made but never released in public, it was only made so they didn't lose the rights to them
Oh Man, I really like that idea of 2 parallel post credit scenes. Nice one ScreenCrush team!
So brilliant. Bravo!
There is a joke that I’ve wanted to see in the Fantastic Four movie:
SHIELD Agent : “Alright, so, if you guys have been around all this time, how come you weren’t there to help us during the Chitauri Invasion?”
Reed : “We were.”
*Cut to a single scene of the Fantastic Four, United on the streets of New York, beating the tar out of the Chitauri.*
SHIELD Agent : “Okay, fine, well…why weren’t you there during the battle with Thanos?”
Reed : *slightly irritated* “…we were!”
*Cut to the same exact scene, only this time, it’s the final battle from Endgame.*
SHIELD Agent: “…oh.”
Listen, your split post credit scenes suggestion was BRILLIANT.
I loved the Joe Walsh reference. He was my jam.❤
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Well done!!! WELL DONE!!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
The whole time Ryan was pitching, I kept flashing on the Parks&Rec episode where Patton Oswald filibustered a council meeting by reading his fan script of Star Wars Episode VII
I loved the Parks, Wyatt, Cones Of Dunshire reference. I hope the majority who enjoy Screen Crush have seen it because it's awesome!
Reed could elongate his "you know what" whenever he's doing it with Sue 😂
Disney needs to give Ryan and his team writing credits. I’m sold on this version of the movie.
I just read The Fantastic Four Solve Everything.... wow. There's elements in there that can tie into the multiverse saga
id love to see a movie about the villains running day to day operations, being actual villains.
no super heroes, just show like gotham did but no do goody stuff.
Great theory! Love love love this idea. So well integrated into existing MCU lore. Clearly from the heart of a true fan!
The livestream is great. More of these would be amazing.
The series finale of Loki actually confirmed the threat of Kang and his variants . Loki season 2 takes place after the Kang scene in Quantumania where the Kang variants lament about Sylvie and Loki killing HWR . Also the TVA we seen in LOKi is only aware of the 616 .
No, the cut scene with the X-Men can’t be with Professor X he wouldn’t suggest that even if it was the only option, what makes more sense is if Professor was one of the shadows and it was Magneto or Dr. Doom as his first official entrance into the MCU
How haven't Marvel thought to do different post credit scenes in different regions yet? It would be an awesome draw back to the theater and get folks talking about the film more
Sue being a Shield agent works because she did become one in the comics and worked closely with Fury
This is really well written
Have you ever thought of how every character in FF represents the 4 elements of Earth? With Reed being water, flowy, being able to flatten out etc… They are the protectors of Earth. I wish they hint that in the movie.
Why do I get the feeling that ScreenCrush is really just Ryan prepping to pitch to Marvel to be a Showrunner :D Great job!
This was good Ryan!
The dog:" Those kids and their Joe Walsh music!"😂😂😂😂
You mean Doug?
@@danimoran889Doug's the 'dog'!
Great ideas. This is definitely a two part movie with the fantastic four. There is just too much going on if you are to set up an origin and then pivot to silver surfer and have them lose all in one movie
You know how you introduce mutants to the masses? Make a Disney+ series with Jimmy Woo investigating cases in the MCU. It would allow them to use lower mutants and prepare or tease the bigger ones. It would be a great series with him
That would be so cool! Great idea
You needa get hired by these big production companies cus your ideas are just mind blowing
14:27 dudeeee...chills!!!
Respect! Awesome idea
Marvel need to hire the ScreenCrush Team because GOD DAMN this was brilliant
Beautiful! Brilliant! Make it so!