Why Dr. DOOM Has Been the MCU's Secret BIG BAD, All Along - Kang, T'Challa's Death, Hydra, and More!
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Doctor Doom is poised to be the next big bad of the multiverse saga...but what if he has already been in the MCU, this entire time? In this video we go through the timeline of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and outline exactly how Doom influenced pivotal events in the MCU. SHIELD, the Avengers, Civil War, Age of Ultron, Hydra, T'Challa's Death,baron Zemo, and kang!
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Written and Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Lee Mazzio and Ethan Lavinsky
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He has a great backstory. But marvel will eff it up by casting an aborigine to play him. Perhaps even a female one.
please this channel gives too many passes on terrible written movies and shows, dont use their scammy sponsor code and let these channels know that these shows just suck and recaps of them dont make it any better
Did he mean the machines that Ultron built? 13:00 He said "machines Doom built"
Great Thesis!! Very Intriguing to a person who does t know alot about Dr Doom. i really wish Disney would take the time to fill in all these plot holes and stories that didnt seem to make sense during the Infinity saga. I would be awesome StoryTelling tying together alot of these Stories that seemed to go unanswered since the “blipp” and filling it with Dr Doom Under storya d his rise would be a FANTASTIC idea instead of spending several yrs trying to explain it in saga 5,6&7. Use That time to explain how these universes are collapsing and the rising threat as we lead up to secret wars
Kang was a overpowered villain
They need these youtube theorists in a writers room. 99% of these theories are so much better than what actually comes to fruition.
It's almost like Kevin Feige isn't the Golden God they make him out to be.
But how can they promote identity politics?
You're definitely giving screen crush way too much credit
@@neonclouds9295 To be fair, they said "these UA-cam theorists", not SC specifically. I took that to mean a consulting team made up of theorists like SC and others. I like that Feige is the constant for the entire franchise because with something this big, you really need that. But it's SO big that they could use a "continuity team". Who better than dedicated nerds who like to pick apart the lore?
@@maironamakesstuff agreed
This literally could be an entire origin movie for Dr. Doom. Make this his own movie and it would be awesome to have them weave the events of past MCU movies into this. See it all connected! This is how we could see our favorite characters/actors again!
That's the point of this video. You just said, "Do the thing the guy in the video already said!"
would be a great origin movie --> unless they go M-SHE-U Cartman mode TO make him a chic, and make Doom a gay, HaHaHa!
it would be a trash movie , this is why you're not a director and they are
I've been saying this, although with Apocalypse, that we should get a villain story arc, but you know nothing about who it is. Then boom. Find out it's a marvel movie
It would be awesome if the F4's intro to the MCU is as background secondary antagonists to Doom in his movie.
Also Victor could be Sonny Burch's anonymous buyer of Pym technology in Ant-Man and the Wasp.
Doom. Dooom Dooooooom
Yea I second that cos they never gave us who was behind it all
@@decypherdjabson1815 I think it was Mysterio
@@theenderkeeper1534mysterio wasn't going for Quantum tech. It would make much more sense to be Doctor Doom
@RipUSA2020 true, but he did want stark technology
I freaking love these breakdowns. It’s like listening to a “what if” episode as a radio play. Your enthusiasm is palpable
I agree it is definitely palatable
Yes !!
Their secret invasion one was too good!
Maybe they should take a page from Sony's book and give Dr Doom his own MCU movie covering his life up until he takes on the Dr Doom alter ego. It would work better since his story would actually be connected to the MCU
VON DOOM
Its the perfect title
@@HissoriRendaor just simply DOOM. Format wise it would be similar to the Hannibal Lecter movie (except written way better) and would be akin to a King Arthur story but evil. They can use more grandiose music throughout the movie and then can blast some MF DOOM at the end credits
@@kingbooomer9231 I was trying to make reference to the idea it would be an origin so the Von falls away as he becomes the Doctor
Love the MF DOOM idea
I don’t think the MCU should try to do anything close to what Sony has done. Sony can’t make movies.
@TheLaymanPang oh I agree, but I'm saying it would work better this way cause everyone wants Doom to have his time to shine and be fleshed out thoroughly. It would also have some sort of pay off cause we'd see him go up against the heroes in the MCU. Sony's movies don't work cause they make shitty movies that aren't very connected to each other and are missing the most important character of that universe 😆
Finally. A (random) UA-cam content creator who makes sense & is well-researched. Not just venting & cursing for 22 minutes.
Ryan knows quite a bit about the comics. Always been a top level channel to watch.
A lot of people are saying this should be a movie, but there's so much character building that this has to be a show
Why not both? A show to set the character building etc and a payoff movie after the fact. Maybe a reveal like the one of Thanos on his chair or something.
Nope it needs to be a series of movies with diff heroes finding there own path then come together like the avengers, THAT is why we fell in love with the MCU, and they could finally have a female hero(except Natasha and bw) to have their own character arc of development instead of a marry sue that can do anything better then anyone else 👌
@@jeffreyvandenabeel9400 which female hero tho ?
It would be nice if there was a show coming about Doom's origins. Maybe in the form of diares with witches and Darkhold and Aubrey Plaza as Mefisto preferably...
@@P.M_M dnno, kitty pryde, Monica Rambeau maybe ironheart I would like Monica Rambeau, story has allot of potential and could be altered if needed to fit a good narrative
WOW! Chills! These were some great ideas - well constructed and laid out. Fingeres crossed that some assistant to Kevin has your channel on notification!
Not sure if you’ll see this Ryan but you and your team are incredible. Great theories, amazing breakdowns, so much in depth knowledge. Makes every day a little better. 🙌
I am thank You, it means alot to me
Hard agree. This channel, and a few others, have published theories and potential story arcs for the MCU that would have been incredible trajectories for the multiverse saga. I rip my hair out over here When I read things like that from Bob iger who said "not enough executives on set" is the reason all of this MCU output has fallen flat 🤦 (Hint, Bob: STORY).
Dr. Doom almost needs his own movie to fully tell his backstory and motivations. Of all the projects coming up and don’t see him appearing too often to gain audience support of who he is.
It could be a kick ass series if done right
Doom needs his own trilogy. It should be how the MCU ends.
I'm surprised you didn't add the footnote about the Doctor from the beginning of Wakanda Forever being someone from Doom's nation, and probably being his chief scientist who was out in the ocean looking for their own source of vibranium.
It seems like the only concrete connection there is, explicitly, so to speak.
I LOVE THIS! We need more fan-fiction/what-if videos from you guys! This is so creative and my mind is blown!
What if Bruce Banner was the Weapon X experiment and we got Hulkavine
I wish I had as much faith in the MCU’s storytelling as Ryan does haha. Great vid!
This entire plot. Your writing. If they do this correctly could save the MCU.... this was incredible and subtle and makes sense with no major plot holes. Well done.
So grateful for the work poured into this !!! Thank you screen rant team for this inspired theory , i was giddy ! Lol
I love it. So damn excited for Doom and I really hope that Marvel pulls a whole “Doom stops Kang in his tracks and becomes the main threat” shift
I heard “salvage all those parts from Age of Ultron” and thought “Doombots!”
Wow. Good job. Appreciate the work that was put into this.
This works! Ties everything in and explains some background events that had no screen time.
It makes more sense to have him as the big bad of next saga in a marvel ultimate alliance type of story then bring in galactus for a quick cameo at the end of the saga in a post credit scene and set up the following saga
This. Theory. ROCKS.
Especially love the idea that the Ultron bots became Doombots.
It can work but at some point marvel needs to let things be separate concepts. Doombots are doombots and Ultron was Ultron. Hank Pym was a genius scientist too, Doom wouldn't borrow others genius that would admit defeat and his ego wouldn't allow that. He could build doombots better than Ultron bots. Like Dr strange eye of agomotto being separate from the time stone. I didn't like they merged them making the eye useless in new fans eyes. Just my thoughts but I do agree that it would fit in the MCU and work. But would Dr doom really do that? We won't get Ultron fighting doombots if they are the same thing. It takes away from the marvel we know n love.
I totally get what you're saying. Doom is, indeed, egotistical to an insane degree. However, he is also pragmatic. He might repurpose the Ultron drones to take Latveria, then promptly melt them down and make his own. LOL
@@TheKnightArgent I get it and never meant to dismiss the thought. It's just getting old to me as a life long marvel fan that we can't have characters be themselves. We have to repurpose them into MCU which is one universe amongst the multiverse ya know. Ultron bots are cool but so we're the doombots infact doombots werent one version he made many different sizes, form and function differs based on the job. Plus doom made clones of him that think they're doom another type of machine. It actually takes away from what victor von doom is and has been to make him tied to Ultron or reliant on who built Ultron. It would be better but f Ultron came to Doom and had help with upgrades to defeat avengers. But again why would doom help when he wants to take over. I'm thinking beyond the current MCU and pointing out all the great ideas from comics we aren't seeing yet. That's where my head was at respectfully whatever they do ill watch and be optimistic n hopeful .
This sounds like the "Reverse Flash was behind everything in the DCEU reveal" that came out last year. dafuq
I'm at the point where I don't get excited for the mashups of characters or mixing three comic stories into one movie since the MCU might be destroyed then reset anyway. I guess it takes pressure off the changes made since it can be reset but also why care when it gets erased? I've been looking forward to the day we marvel fans can see these stories come to life and we finally do marvel short changes us . Doom and secret wars looks to be setting up a reset of the MCU.
There are SO many good Doom stories. The early Mark Waid FF run really reinvigorated the character.
Nicely put together!
@ScreenCrush I think this is one of Ryan's best videos... GREAT WORK!
I don’t usually comment but… 9:29 you hit pitch perfect plot points for these characters.
It is important to remember the before the modern origin story of Kang, in the earlier appearances it was implied that Kang was just an older version of Dr Doom, or maybe was either his father or descendant. It wasn't not until after the introduction of Nathanal Richards, Reed's father, that it was revealed that Kang was a Richards and not a Von Doom.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 this is by far the best theory that can work. I’m definitely going to plaster this on Twitter
I usually don't like theories too much, but I absolutely Love this one!! Only thing is, when they do introduce Dr. Doom it 100% has to be in his own movie or show! Thanx for what you do, Mr Arey! ...and Doug!
This was an awesome speculative journey of the MCU... I can dig this direction of him being behind the scenes!
Doctor Doom pulls off his mask to reveal Sam Reich
Waits a beat
“I’ve been here the whole time!”
Totally love the theory and how it weaves together really well. I so hope they do something like this in the MCU.
That was fantastic. Well thought out and structured imo. Far better than the drivel some of these shows and movies try to spew out lately. One of the reasons I like the MCU is that things are and can be interconnected and complimentary. You dont have to tell a whole big universal story in one movie because its already known.
Do you think Doom should be the big bad of the MCU?
I thought your theory was great and it could definitely work if the MCU doesn’t rush it.
Edit: If they were going to make this work I feel like doctor doom would need his own solo movie
No just cold swapping villains because one failed is terrible and retconning events to say “ it was doom all along” is also dumb n desperate
True but you do have to admit he put in a lot of effort making the theory and fitting doom in the MCU
@@JonahBEYBLADE definitely but I think theories like this and other UA-cam’s like den of nerds put out creates unrealistic expectations for these studios then when these outlandish theories don’t come true it’s “ marvel fucking sucks “
Yes
Great video and theory! Would love to see this play out on the big screen.
Incredible story crafting. Thank you!
This would work really well as a limited series. I could not imagine all of this in a movie
Why can't you imagine that pretty hopeless
@@zaneoneill2045 🤦♂️
It can be a movie but it all depends on who’s writing the story and how it should be portrayed
@@decypherdjabson1815doctor doom doesn’t need a movie at all, he just needs hints or post credit scenes at the end of other mcu movies building him up
I do admire the effort you put into these speculations on behalf of Marvel. Of course the biggest question is, will Marvel allow Doom to keep his mask on at all times, or will it be popping on and off as quickly as Spidey’s and Tony’s do?
Great breakdown, without spoiling too much.
Thanks for such a detailed analysis. Top work
I'd down to see this ngl. If they do introduce Dr. Doom soon, I think they'll keep him alive after Secret Wars.
Right. Doom is not just the Big Bad of one Phase or even one Saga. He's multiple Sagas. Doom is the poster villain of Marvel. What Superman is to superheroes, Doom is to supervillains. As Ryan says above: Doom is the GREATEST supervillain.
@@BibleAlivePresentations agreed
I love it, and I really want Doom to be the Secret Wars threat. My only overall concern would be how is Marvel going to show all that you have explained in a movie and make it work? It would need it's own dedicated movie, and it would be a mistake to squeeze this backstory into another movie like they tried to do with the Conqueror. There is a lot to unfold. With that said, it worked with Thanos. There wasn't any backstory with him. The thing they did right with him though was make him an immediate threat and showed how much power he has and how ruthless he is. Not sure how they could do that with Doom IF they want to play him as sort of a protagonist that turns antagonist.
A TV series that leads to a big movie about him could work
@@danielmibuulo658a big movie followed by this series. That would work better
Great video!!!!
This is brilliant. Great storytelling Ryan.
Cillian as doom is such an great idea i need him
Dr. Doom is the apex predator of villainy in the Marvel Universe. He will fight anyone, and he is most dangerous to anyone or anything that has more power than he does. His own power is substantial enough to pose a threat to anyone who might try to challenge or attack him, regardless of their level of power. He is the villain that all other villains should look up to...
He's the inevitability of relentlessness and cunning!!
@@beyond_the_tequila_rift3194
Yeah, he's the epitome of what nobody should want to mess with...
Absolutely correct. Doom is to supervillains what Superman is to superheroes. Doom is also THE poster villain of Marvel. He's not a jobber, not a one-film baddie, not a one-Phase baddie, and not a one-saga baddie. Doom is the GOAT.
@@BibleAlivePresentations
Well said...
The fact that lowly Doombots have given the majority of Marvel heroes a tough time means that none of them go looking to take on the genuine article. Even really mean dogs know not to mess with meaner dogs...
I've watched many of your vids, and i often have real problems with your takes. But this one is Great!. so great that i suspect it will never happen.
👏👏👏Top Tier video!! We need to find some way for Screen Crush to get in marvels writing rooms. This was a perfect theory and would make so much sense and would be a seem less transition from kang!!
Awesome Job!
Yeah this guy break down is interesting description of alot of things. Thanks
Yo! This is dope. I wish you wrote for the MCU. Your story’s are almost always better.
Great video. I’d had some similar ideas but this is way more detailed and makes loads of sense, tying up quite a few loose ends as well. Question is how do they execute this? I almost think a four part Books of Doom Disney+ special could be the way forward, maybe dropped between Avengers 5 and 6..? Doom could be revealed as the big villain at the end of 5 and then we take a pause from everything else in between those movies to tell his full backstory.
Jesus this was scripted out perfectly, I was glued to my chair the entire way thru, bravo to your writers and presentation. 🤝👏🙌
Great work and a big reason I definitely appreciate it is because I wrote a fantastic four movie treatment in college were (coincidentally, or just common comic knowledge creative sense) I too included Doom’s Time platform as a way he traveled to the future and fix time,haha! I wish Disney’s writers read more comics.
Nice job!
I love it!, As an Artist, I was able to visualize the whole thing as you spoke,
Nice one!
I never doubted that Doom would be the Big Bad. I just thought that Kang would be a lead-up to that. Doom's ancestor is Dracula and I'm sure that would come up in Blade.
Ancestors since when?? I thought they were just enemies / neighbors (Latveria v Transylvania)
I’m glad your back Ryan
Awesome! I’ve said this once before, but you should be writing for Marvel Studios. This was put together wonderfully. Nice job.
This is fantastic. So much unused Sokovia threads that could make this theory plausible. Plus, it might lead to more Zemo action.
Dude, These concept ideas are GREAT! Marvel needs to hire you as a writer... and Doug :)
This would make a fantastic introduction of the character via a limited series on Disney Plus.
I came here for Doug. Then, again and again, I am captivated by your mind-blowing power for storytelling.
It's so perplexing to me that one very talented UA-cam content creator can explain such a great way to tell story in less than 30 minutes but the billion dollar industry that Disney and Marvel is can't make good quality 2 hour movies anymore.
This actually sounds awesome and good!! I like it
amazing ideas 🙌
Bro you are by far the best with knowledge transfer man. Thanks for the hard work. Love the content
Whoa.😳
Awesome video.
Dang. That was good. One of the best theories ever. I have an idea they could execute this: kind of like what they did with Deadpool 3, they could take Fox’s “Doom” movie that was never made, and make it literally this story, and put it in phase 5 so we know about the character. Or maybe it can be a Fantastic Four prequel if Doctor Doom is even going to remotely be in the movie. Hard PG-13. It’d be long but so worth it.
That was awesome!
Amazing. I need this to be real. Well played, Ryan.
Well currently I'm convinced that Loki will create Battleworld after the Kang's destroy themselves with the multiversal war however what if Doom is the real reason the Kangs die, taking all their powers, Loki pulls together what he can and Doom then uses his new powers to enslave him, and control everything it would then mirror in the comics where Doom used the Human Torch as a replacement Sun with Loki having replaced the Loom and everyone could think that Loki is the God Emperor when in fact it is Doom all along...
You give good theory, my man! I dig it!
So ryan wrote this video? Great job. My guess is that whenever he doesn’t mention the writer at the end it means that he wrote the whole thing. One more reason to love this dude even more.
Such an amazing channel.
Disney really needs to run with this.
This would actually be real cool. A whole movie dedicated to this would be amazing and a really unique addition to the MCU.
Woh! That was awesome!!
awesome video
You had me at the Sally Field quote in the Thumbnail!
If Doom has been pulling the strings the whole time, then Marvel might actually be able to redeem themselves.
This is excellent, I’m 100% invested. It’s probable, practical, and legit exciting. If this was adopted however, it couldn’t all climax with a world ending space beam solved with a fist fight and magic hands. This would be an opportunity to tell a mature story, with a smart and complex human antagonist
I loved EVERY second of this. This theory alone is light years better than what Marvel has been doing for the last 10+ years.
That was a great theory! I hope we see that flashback in a Doom special presentation so that they won't fast forward it in the movie
That would be an incredible movie!! Well done!
Good heavens!!!! That would be amazing to see. It would need to be a Series with a high budget to pull off... But definitely doable and lots of cameos with other high profile actors to better sell it.
This sounds wild and improbable but then I remembered that it is DOOM and nothing is beyond his control.
Ryan, you are a mad man! Love it.
That was fantastic! I'll start on the screen play - a trilogy with little fat (a major issue with the Disney+ shows - too much time spent on scenes with little overall impact).
I like this, however in my own head, Klaw got his prosthetic hand from Doom, his favorite client for Vibranium. Doom bought the vibranium, but sought the Wakanda tech even more.
Also SHIELD was already aware that the Tesseract could open a gateway; after Rogers was unfrozen, in his debriefing he explained how the Red Skull had been teleported by it during their fight on the bomber, SHIELD then began experimenting with it. Hawkeye was only acknowledging to Nick that it was a doorway.
That was awesome I really wish marvel would hire you guys to write everything
This idea it's just beyond great. This could easily be two movies that culminate as a sort of trilogy on the avengers battle world story
Excellant!!! B Aries, you should be a writer alongside K Fiege!
A pretty cool Disney+ should could be basically having someone in "the present day" of the MCU "putting together" this whole web, and each time they discover another piece of evidence (be it a photo of Doom with Reed, or a journal entry etc.) we see "the important stuff" in a flashback and basically each episode covers how Doom learned the thing(s) he did, has the power he has etc.
It could even be Doom the whole time narrating his own Origin Story to an Official Chronicler
Hey, truly want to say thank you for always making a better mcu
The MCU needs to put you on their pay roll. That is a brilliant idea for Dr. Doom in the MCU and a good way to get everything back on track.
What a great way to explain Doom’s origin and emergence in the MCU. You killed it! I agree with alot of commenters here too- it should be a Dr. Doom movie first and weave all this into it.
25 minutes and then I remembered you and I care about these stories way more than the studios do now.
This is good stuff. You should be in the MCU writers room.
Nice job