"These vampires are becoming a real menace, we need to wipe them out" Says one brave guard to my character, surrounded by two of my followers, all of us vampires. These fangs aren't just for sucking blood yeah?
I kinda wish bethesda would've kept the original Vamp eyes, before the Dawnguard expansion. Makes things more subtle as a Vampire. Then they could've made the bright eyes for stage 4 vampires and the whole town would attack you, like they did before the expansion. Vampire Lords like those of castle Valk could've had the eyes Sarana had, but with less glow to them, or only glowing in a darkened room/dungeon. Making Vampire Lords harder to spot. Then again, maybe that was the plan but it was too hard to implement without hella bugs.
@@lazilycatharticone4191 the better vampires mod does just that. You have sort of snake-like red eyes that gradually get brighter and more orange until they’re impossible to disguise.
So this is how I rationalize being "stronger" when going without feeding for a while. I think it's more psychological than physical. A hungry vampire is more primal and vicious, while a vampire who is fed is satisfied and calm. I think vampires that choose to feed on animals are basically malnourished. They're fed, but the blood isn't the kind of blood they're supposed to digest.
actually, vampires can feed on any warm-blooded animal and still be fine Is this the moment for me to admit that there was a time I loved being a bloodsucking creature of the night? It is not impossible to live only at night, merely occasionally inconvenient. And I wouldn't have to kill humans every night, merely warm-blooded creatures. Orcs have a delicious, rich brothy blood; rats are a little sweet for the only meal of the night; werewolves are a real treat, almost decadent the tincture between human and beast. A real gourmet's delight. source: en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampires_of_the_Iliac_Bay
Saying that to Shezarine, with blood of timeless dragons coursing through their veins seems likeand underwhelming job ad that offers you 30% less pay, but no dress code and free fruit on Thursdays.
Definitely agree with that one. I think molag bal was easily my fav daedra. Domination and submission are much more interesting daedric goals than the others. Basically an S&M version. Also vampire as one of the main perks of joining? Hell yeah
Interesting name considering my Sole Survivor is a Vampire. Diamond city guard: Hey buddy ya lookin as pale as the docs coat there. Scared of goin out in the sun or somethin?
The way I made peace with the story vs game-play of vampires drinking blood is that while starving yourself for a few days does make you stronger, eventually the hunger drives you insane. This is why Lord Lovidicus is a very strong vampire but he is also completely mad. Rona Hassildor has starved herself and goes into a coma, she is probably very strong, but without blood to balance her out, just being awake hurts her. Since vampires are undead they can't die of starvation, their bodies just adapt to become more efficient, but they are still suffering psychological effects of a starvation without ever being able to actually starve.
Technically in game terms he's really weak and scripted to be fully fed. Messed me up when I first installed the mod that switched how hunger works cause he actually had powers like a starving vamp
@@Lucky13Ravens Maybe it’s just because I play as a mage but Lord Loviticus was really strong for me, faster than anything I had seen up to that point and with a killer hand-to-hand.
@@the_hanged_clown At least a decade. I considered that. I attribute it to either the fact she is of a elite bloodline, or, and not to get morbid, but can you go insane if a Daedric Prince has title to your soul. Because as I am sure you will recall, Molag Bal has dibs.
Problem with vampirism in Skyrim is that the reason it's benefits are so minimal is cause its weaknesses are so small. You don't burn in the sun, you don't get attacked on sight, you don't get hunted down by vampire hunters. The weaknesses of Vampirism are every bit as key to being immersed as the strengths and Bethesda really didn't want to give us extremes.
There is one type of the disease that makes you burn. There are 3 different types. The Lamae Bal originated and the one you get in eso is the one with almost zero effects on you but you get stronger at night. In the skyrim one sanguanire vampiris where you get stronger the longer you go without feeding and while the sun is annoying it does not hurt you. Oblivion one is the only disease type you'll get burn by the sun.
@@berilsevvalbekret772 Yeah I'm just glad the Better Vampires mod exists. I cannot play as a Vampire now without it. It just makes the whole experience so much more immersive, your an actual Vampire with genuine supernatural traits and not just a mage with glowing eyes.
To be fair, if you do join Harkon, the Dawnguard will hunt you down. And before the Dawnguard expansion, in base Skyrim if you hit stage 4 Vampirism you would be attacked on sight by towns. Shame they axed that mechanic when Dawnguard first came out.
@@zixx844 the oblivion one actually felt more immersive, remember going to sleep in cloud ruler temple one night and waking up as a vampire and that completely threw a wrench in my plans for completing the main quest playing it as a little kid I was like holy shit wtf do i do now, how do I live as a vampire, lol.
They corrected the feeding thing in ESO, feeding makes you stronger, also lorewise those of Mother Lamae's direct lineage Don't have many of the weaknesses that later strains developed. I believe many or all the traits of TES vampires are dependent of Clan the nature of feeding included.
lamae tells you are the first she created who has that backwards feeding nonsense, vamps only feed to survive, much like a starving animal that desperation makes it more dangerous.
Well at least in ESO the stages of vampirism is a visible transformation with the bat form being at level 4/ultimate turning you into a total monster equipped swarming with bats. I also loved the human like vampires as well. In Oblivion Skingraad’s count Hassildor is just that; a vampire who’s blended into society and has ruled Skingraad without incident for some centuries
except for morrowind and predawnguard skyrim your appearance did change with stages, and the ultimate is a weird shapeshift imitation that can be used at any stage, they actually stated that as if it wasn't enough of an insult
@@scrumptious_bussy1037 far larger than several male Nords stacked together. Edit: large enough to without a doubt turn Serana and Valerica's insides into silly putty
Molag Bal is just another aspect of the Daedric Prince Fleece Johnson. Harkon probably got those cheeks ran too if the 36 lessons of Vivec are to be believed 🤣
I was disappointed that ESO: Dark Heart of Skyrim didn't add much interesting vampire lore even though they had a whole chapter and dlc devoted to a vampire threat.
Yeah with you there C D. I will say though, vampires *spoiler* being able to feed off the void is cool, maybe can flesh out the sithis connection. I always wondered what would happen to Vincent Valtiere or Babette. Do they just not care that Molag Bal maybe will get there soul, or are they long gaming it, knowing that eventually everything will go back to the void eventually, so a couple of thousands years of coldharbour hell is worth killing over multiple life times for Sithis? If the second one, that is pretty metal.
@@hereticalhermit8148 The Nighthollow Clan was an interesting addition, but even they didn't have more than one character and their history didn't have any impressive tales or legends like the Volkihar.
@Jackson Kipper He hasn't uploaded in almost a year. From what I've heard, he's currently having a tough part of his life and wanted to take a break. It's understandable, man's a man after all, but still it feels something is amiss without his uploads
tbh i thought "feeding less gives you power" thing was just game mechanics forcing you to feed so you dont get run out of town. especially since every vampire seems to be feeding on something in skyrim. castle volkihar even has the dungeon full of slaves for everyone to feed on along with the tables of people to eat etc
I love the vampires of the elder scrolls world the variety of the different bloodlines and the difference in culture that each group of vampires have has always been a super cool concept to me
Started listening to these a few days ago and I'm already almost out of them, since I listen to them in the backround while playing Skyrim, keep em coming :D
When I play as a Vampire in Skyrim, I play with Sacrosanct. With Sacrosanct, I also get the Sneak Feeding and Non Starved Draining mod, so what I do is basically I infiltrate a bandit camp, and I just drain all the bandits there to become stronger. And since I play the Imperial questline, I also use the Windhelm barracks to drain all the Soldiers there. And I also go to Stormcloak Camps to get blood there.
44:10 you just summoned up ESO's vampirism after the rework. Feed to get stronger but also become insane with all your normal abilities costing more to use. They even use word corruption when describing the stages and a fully corrupted vampire is both at their most powerful and their weakest.
I’ve been binging y’all’s videos while doing an Imperial Battlemage Skyrim playthrough. Listening to your podcasts and lore videos while I play enhances my experience so much, and helps me come up with fresh ways to play. Thanks guys, y’all rock!
In oblivion when you first become a vampire your character in fact changes. They look older, pale, more gaunt cheeks and there eyes are in fact immediately pinkish red. I think in the picture you showed the one on the far left was before they were a vampire
Correct, the far left one was them as a mortal. Oblivion's stage 1 was noticable but it was if you were some old person. It was written in lore they were indistinguishable from mortals but in game they're easier to spot for probably gameplay reasons.
I've always wondered what sets Harkon apart from other vampire Lords that he became the main antagonist, he seems to have gifted you the ability without much hesitation, he must have something that sets him above others to become leader of the clan.
Remember he received it directly for him and his family by sacrificing 1000 people in Molag Bal's name. The rest in Volkihar Castle either where lesser Vamps or gifted Vampirism by Harkon.
@@soulofconflict yep, but I understand his reasoning. Definitely cruel but understandable. He feared dying and figured this was only way to avoid death.
42:10 I’ve always imagined that the through Ice Vampires are in fact a separate clan from eastern Skyrim much more classic nord style. While the Volkihars in the West are spliced with a little Breton type Court stuff being so west and in the more “civilized” part of Skyrim.
I was honestly hoping that you guys would talk more about the blood scion and how it would fare against a volkihar vampire in terms of transformations. As well as some theorizing on how a transformed blood scion would fight based on the given information. But otherwise loved the video 👍
I always thought of hunger making vampires more monstrous. More buffs but also more weaknesses to things like sunlight. I think the stronger vs weaker scale is a little too simplistic. I like the progression in the sacrosanct mod.
They really are a perfect metaphor for super powerful/rich people living on the life-blood and life-time of their victims. They are like the Nestle of TES
@@jacksonconstantine5740 *Grabs flame Enchanted Crossbow bolts with fiery soul trapping and turn undead/sunfire restoration magics to send undead scum back to the depths of Oblivion
That’s how I cannon my dragonborn, he really dose look pretty much normal when he is fully blood fed. I mean never a normal looking guy; scruffy, short, and sweaty dunnmer. As normal looking as he gets. I like exploring the gray areas he comes in to. Never being a bad guy. But is definitely takes a very dark turn. Feasting on bandits and trapping the souls of his enemies in black soul gems. He’d call this poetic justice often. He’d pose the question “Would anyone shed a tear over The Wolf Queen going to the Soul Carin??”
Honestly being a Volkihar type vampire that still can walk in the sun (it's annoying like a rash but not harmful beyond that) would be a sweet deal. You're immortal, you get some really neat powers (going by lore descriptions not gameplay) and still can function normally during the day. And you can turn your close ones into vampires if you fear lack of company + traveling Tamriel is a lot safer as a spooky Vampire than just a regular mortal man. Think how much better the Elves are at certain things bc they live for centuries and then think how good you might become with functionally no time limit.
How about a new Dwemer-themed build built around EnaiSiaion's new "Tonal Architect" mod, and maybe also that new "Whispers" mod that serves as an alternative to Shouts? Also, a podcast about the Reachmen and Forsworn would be great.
The videos they've already done on the reach: ua-cam.com/video/Xe_2SfeYUmc/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/ZYcT5hcerrI/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/9fHpm-KdKUs/v-deo.html
I discovered you guys a few months ago. I have since watched every podcast at least twice. Thank you. On another note, would you guys be open to more Q&A videos? I always have tons of questions and stuff I’d love to see brought up in these discussions. Thanks again!
I don't particularily dislike the "non-feeding makes you stronger" since I appreciate the lore that by not doing it brings you closer to Molag Bal and undeath, increasing your powers. It's also an interesting tradeoff gameplay-wise. The problem is that they should have added more mechanics and conditions when you're hungry, like increasingly blurred vision and other things to depict how becoming more hungry makes you more rabid and craving of blood, despite your added strength and abilities. The low vamps in Skyrim behave kind of like jankies with withdrawals. They should have emphasized on that. I mean, in Dawnguard, they even removed the Stage 4 feared status for retarded reasons....
Yes!!! I was thinking something like the Grievous Twilights, but that's just as cool! Instead they're bald vampire lord's with horns, no wings, and pink...
I always justified the feeding and strength thing as that when well fed you become more human, like it’s diluting the vampire within you. When you haven’t fed your more pure vampire, and more of a monster.
The humanity system in vampire masquerade was really interesting. They should add a berserk state to vampires and werewolves in the next game. Like if the werewolf/vampire becomes depraved in their feedings(feed I need on random innocents) or just outright not eating people their berserk state would activate. Also another interesting addition would be giving more powerful werewolves and vampires the ability to have more control during their berserk state
If you play Fallout 4, there is a mod that adds Vampirism with a similar humanity system to masquerade. It's called Sanguinare and its amazing, far better then vanilla Skyrim vampirism. I actually have a funny story from the mod that involves the berserk system. My character just went randomly crazy while talking to a traveling merchant once, then proceeded to pounce on them and tear their throat out. Needless to say I lost humanity from that.
My first oblivion character was an argonian. Got vampirism and took me forever to cure myself because I was kicked out of the makes guild. Didn't know how to cure it. Got attacked all the time because I was like the final stage.
17:25 I just started playing Morrowind for the first time this past weekend(best decision ever). One of the coolest things was while progressing through the main quest I slept and got a message about a disturbing dream. So cool! lmao need more of that..
I love everything about that mod except for the feeding mechanic. I like how in vanilla feeding makes your powers recede, which is a great roleplaying tool imo. But I play vampires quite often, so maybe I’ll give it another shot lol.
I can see why Dagoth Ur is considered a "vampire" in some sense though since, he (and frankly the Tribunal) have to "drink" from the Heart of Lorkhan so in a way, they're drinking Lorkhan's blood to fuel themselves right? So in a weird, magical/mystical sort of way, they're like cosmic vampires lol
I think it's interesting how Michael views Werewolves vs. how he views Vampires. I see them as reflections of the same thing. They're both just shinning a light on the "beast" within, but they highlight different parts. The werewolves that we see are more beastial, but there's definitely a sense of enjoyment in the hunting and fighting, so I don't get when Michael says they have less of an element of "I find this fun". The only difference (in my opinion) is how they go about doing things. Vampires are more conspiratorial, charming, shadowy while werewolves are more... direct.
I look at it this way, Werewolves may find the "thrill of the hunt" fun, however they aren't usually sadistic in their hunts. Even Hircine is said to not attack you if you aren't willing to play the game (run or fight). While Vampires for the most part have a sadistic element to them. An other way to view it, a serial killer vs a crime of passion. Passion happens in the moment with no real "thought" place into it. That's more where the Werewolves are, instinctual. While a serial killer lurks, lies in wait, often has some of the most sick ways to torture and finally kill their victims. There's an element of power there, power over their victims. That's where the Vampires are. There's a reason that in the real world hunters usually have a code, clean or as clean a kill as possible. While serial killers often have some of the most horrifying ways to kill, the intent is to strike fear into their victims and potential victims. They also are said to often start with torturing animals, so there's that too. Thus isn't to say that Werewolves are "good" but at the end of the day if you had to choose, would you want a Telbooth/Wetfang vampire death? Or to be torn to pieces by a Werewolf much like a Bear mauling that's usually quick? (Both do suck tho).
The vampires are freakin legit In the elder scrolls. And I loved the lords strain. I’d love to see a bunch of different strains in the next games with better buffs to choose from
I been using a mod, that makes the Volkihar look more like how they are described in the lore, its pretty well made, and while you can tell something isn't, quite right with my character, there isn't any glowing eye bits. And at night with a hood up, you could easily mistake them as just a normal person.
It reminds me of an old friend I haven't seen in quite a while. Evil Eddie was his nickname. He loved vampire lore. I image he'd play a vampire illusionist (like he wanted to play in D&D) in Skyrim. I'm not so sure how he'd feel about them being the product of Molag Bal's std though.
I feel that the idea of not drinking blood making you stronger could of worked if they really highlighted the downsides. Like how a starving wolf is more dangerous than a well fed one, they should have highlighted how vampires get desperate and gain access to more primal, violent means of feeding. They struggle to think straight and eventually are consumed by their hunger, being only able to think of feeding. And then similar to the starving wolf, eventually they will die. But it is in the moment just before, where they are most desperate, that they are the most dangerous.
I only started to like Vampires when I encountered the Vampire Counts in Warhammer Fantasy. Inspired by their example I set out to make my modded Skyrim Vampire closer to the Vampire Counts than the Elder Scrolls variety. Also took inspiration from some of the quests I read about in ESO about certain vampires experimenting with the curse/disease, to found the backstory for my particular kind of strain. The results have been fantastic, but it stretches the limits of what the Lore would likely allow. I love it.
Could you do a video about conventions for dragon/argonian names so we can come up with names for ourselves something like "How dragon names are formed and how YOU can pick one for yourself" something like that and a big red circle or something idk
I guess the idea with the no blood / animal blood thing is that it's a bit of "you are what you eat." Vampires lacking in blood grow closer to the divine power that created them, but their physical bodies still hunger for mortal needs, since they aren't truly immortal. But by ingesting human blood, they satisfy their hunger but draw themselves back down to the level of a human. By ingesting animal blood, they satisfy their hunger but draw themselves down to the level of a beast. So vampires in their most powerful state would be a being that takes in nothing of the mortal realm, but that isn't possible since by their nature, they're still cursed mortal vessels.
I want drinking blood to level you up as a vampire simply because I want to BE A VAMPIRE. Like come on, I went through all the trouble of finding a vampire, letting it hit me until I died a few times, and finally caught the disease while avoiding shrines. And I still don't feel like a vampire. I just got a few new spells.
I always seen vampires becoming stronger when not fed that they are starving and are desperate for the next meal. Much like staving people unlock powers of desperation.
alternate vampire origin theory: they began as a race of snake-like creatures who survived the end of the last kalpa by becoming shapeshifting parasites who took on aspects of their prey. they are the origin species of both the vampires and the akaviri snake-folk, some of whom feed on the souls of dragons becoming dragons themselves.
My answer to your alls Conundrum over the animal blood drinkers getting weaker in eso is this: Drinking blood does make both types weaker and more human appearing, but then when they don't drink blood for the buffs they don't achieve the same level of strength they did when they had a human blood diet. This way the blood does affect how strong they get but also helps them maintain a human appearance. Furthermore, I thinknit makes sense that going a few days without blood will make them stronger, but if they straight up get blood starved for a very long period of time they could die or go feral. It's simple enough to consolidate gameplay with lore.
Truthfully the count is a Lagosi Dracula parody. If he were to be a elder scrolls vampire, my best guess is a cyrodyllic . In tht they blend in with mortals and are cultured ..
I wasn't really a fan of the Ravenwatch storyline. Vampires are supposed to be the scorn of Tamriel, but House Ravenwatch is an open secret that is friends with the King and other nobles because they are the "good" vampires. It is boring.
As a Whiterun guard once told me "Don't like those eyes you got. There's a bad hunger to them."
"These vampires are becoming a real menace, we need to wipe them out"
Says one brave guard to my character, surrounded by two of my followers, all of us vampires. These fangs aren't just for sucking blood yeah?
I kinda wish bethesda would've kept the original Vamp eyes, before the Dawnguard expansion. Makes things more subtle as a Vampire. Then they could've made the bright eyes for stage 4 vampires and the whole town would attack you, like they did before the expansion. Vampire Lords like those of castle Valk could've had the eyes Sarana had, but with less glow to them, or only glowing in a darkened room/dungeon. Making Vampire Lords harder to spot.
Then again, maybe that was the plan but it was too hard to implement without hella bugs.
@@lazilycatharticone4191 the better vampires mod does just that. You have sort of snake-like red eyes that gradually get brighter and more orange until they’re impossible to disguise.
That guard was racist, I'm reporting him to the nearest vampiric Karen.
Your skin's as pale as the snow. You scared of sunlight or somethin'?
NPC: "Your skin's as pale as the snow. You scared of sunlight?"
Redguards:
My dark elf: (._.)
kinda late to this but a black person can also be pale and i would say it is even more noticeable than white people lol
Same vibe as when NPCs say theres fur growing out of your ears in response to your werewolf status and they’re talking to a Khajit
Now i gotta make a redguard vampire and call him michael jackson
Light skinned redguard.
So this is how I rationalize being "stronger" when going without feeding for a while. I think it's more psychological than physical. A hungry vampire is more primal and vicious, while a vampire who is fed is satisfied and calm. I think vampires that choose to feed on animals are basically malnourished. They're fed, but the blood isn't the kind of blood they're supposed to digest.
Like an evil vegan
So like vegans... Might be good for a little while to lose weight and slim down a bit, but for the rest of your life looking like a waxy zombie
Epic vegan bashing
so sort of like drinking alcohol instead of water for weeks
actually, vampires can feed on any warm-blooded animal and still be fine
Is this the moment for me to admit that there was a time I loved being a bloodsucking creature of the night? It is not impossible to live only at night, merely occasionally inconvenient. And I wouldn't have to kill humans every night, merely warm-blooded creatures. Orcs have a delicious, rich brothy blood; rats are a little sweet for the only meal of the night; werewolves are a real treat, almost decadent the tincture between human and beast. A real gourmet's delight.
source: en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampires_of_the_Iliac_Bay
"I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion amongst sheep. Men will tremble at your approach and you will never fear death again. "
*proceeds to go on mission to block out the sun because he fears death*
Saying that to Shezarine, with blood of timeless dragons coursing through their veins seems likeand underwhelming job ad that offers you 30% less pay, but no dress code and free fruit on Thursdays.
@@jacekekawa4498 I don’t think the Dragonborn is a Shezzarine…
@@MeanAndPristine he's got the title "Ysmir, Dragon of the North", which was used for the Shezarine like Pelinal Whitestrake.
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I now need a shirt that says "Molag Bal is my necromancer" as soon as I can get someone to screen print it for me.
Definitely agree with that one. I think molag bal was easily my fav daedra. Domination and submission are much more interesting daedric goals than the others. Basically an S&M version. Also vampire as one of the main perks of joining? Hell yeah
Yo I can make you some of you want.
Heard they're reforming the Dawnguard. Vampire hunters or something...... in the old fort near Riften.
“Say, citizen, why are your eyes so red?”
Might consider joining up myself
Your skin is as pale as the snow, you afraid of sunlight?
Interesting name considering my Sole Survivor is a Vampire.
Diamond city guard: Hey buddy ya lookin as pale as the docs coat there. Scared of goin out in the sun or somethin?
Don’t like those eyes you got there’s a bad hunger to them
The way I made peace with the story vs game-play of vampires drinking blood is that while starving yourself for a few days does make you stronger, eventually the hunger drives you insane. This is why Lord Lovidicus is a very strong vampire but he is also completely mad. Rona Hassildor has starved herself and goes into a coma, she is probably very strong, but without blood to balance her out, just being awake hurts her. Since vampires are undead they can't die of starvation, their bodies just adapt to become more efficient, but they are still suffering psychological effects of a starvation without ever being able to actually starve.
Technically in game terms he's really weak and scripted to be fully fed. Messed me up when I first installed the mod that switched how hunger works cause he actually had powers like a starving vamp
@@Lucky13Ravens Maybe it’s just because I play as a mage but Lord Loviticus was really strong for me, faster than anything I had seen up to that point and with a killer hand-to-hand.
how long had Serana been locked up for? she came out pretty sane...
@@the_hanged_clown At least a decade. I considered that. I attribute it to either the fact she is of a elite bloodline, or, and not to get morbid, but can you go insane if a Daedric Prince has title to your soul. Because as I am sure you will recall, Molag Bal has dibs.
@@mesektet5776 I'm certain it was much more than a decade. she didn't even recognize the Septim line.
Problem with vampirism in Skyrim is that the reason it's benefits are so minimal is cause its weaknesses are so small. You don't burn in the sun, you don't get attacked on sight, you don't get hunted down by vampire hunters.
The weaknesses of Vampirism are every bit as key to being immersed as the strengths and Bethesda really didn't want to give us extremes.
There is one type of the disease that makes you burn. There are 3 different types. The Lamae Bal originated and the one you get in eso is the one with almost zero effects on you but you get stronger at night. In the skyrim one sanguanire vampiris where you get stronger the longer you go without feeding and while the sun is annoying it does not hurt you. Oblivion one is the only disease type you'll get burn by the sun.
@@berilsevvalbekret772 Yeah I'm just glad the Better Vampires mod exists. I cannot play as a Vampire now without it. It just makes the whole experience so much more immersive, your an actual Vampire with genuine supernatural traits and not just a mage with glowing eyes.
To be fair, if you do join Harkon, the Dawnguard will hunt you down. And before the Dawnguard expansion, in base Skyrim if you hit stage 4 Vampirism you would be attacked on sight by towns. Shame they axed that mechanic when Dawnguard first came out.
@@berilsevvalbekret772 couldn't the sun kill you in morrowind too?
@@zixx844 the oblivion one actually felt more immersive, remember going to sleep in cloud ruler temple one night and waking up as a vampire and that completely threw a wrench in my plans for completing the main quest playing it as a little kid I was like holy shit wtf do i do now, how do I live as a vampire, lol.
They corrected the feeding thing in ESO, feeding makes you stronger, also lorewise those of Mother Lamae's direct lineage Don't have many of the weaknesses that later strains developed. I believe many or all the traits of TES vampires are dependent of Clan the nature of feeding included.
lamae tells you are the first she created who has that backwards feeding nonsense, vamps only feed to survive, much like a starving animal that desperation makes it more dangerous.
The handshake was invented as a way of exposing vampires. If their hand is cold they're dead.
what if the vampires in question doing the deed are hot?
@@saghwteam sleep with them
@@vulkanofnocturne I see you are a man of culture as well
@@vulkanofnocturne Now that's something I can seriously get behind with
Well at least in ESO the stages of vampirism is a visible transformation with the bat form being at level 4/ultimate turning you into a total monster equipped swarming with bats.
I also loved the human like vampires as well. In Oblivion Skingraad’s count Hassildor is just that; a vampire who’s blended into society and has ruled Skingraad without incident for some centuries
except for morrowind and predawnguard skyrim your appearance did change with stages, and the ultimate is a weird shapeshift imitation that can be used at any stage, they actually stated that as if it wasn't enough of an insult
Lmao I had a 3 hour long discussion/calculation over how big Molag Bal's "spear" is yesterday.
So ... 😳 What was your conclusion on said topic ?
Yes what was the result.
@@scrumptious_bussy1037 far larger than several male Nords stacked together.
Edit: large enough to without a doubt turn Serana and Valerica's insides into silly putty
@@Landshark4008 Alright no need to be too specific, we all know how that turned out
Molag Bal is just another aspect of the Daedric Prince Fleece Johnson. Harkon probably got those cheeks ran too if the 36 lessons of Vivec are to be believed 🤣
I was disappointed that ESO: Dark Heart of Skyrim didn't add much interesting vampire lore even though they had a whole chapter and dlc devoted to a vampire threat.
And the awfull vampire lord tranformation. Left ESO because of that
worst revamp ever, they're extremely niche now
I love the revamp personally, but I can get why some people didn’t like it.
Yeah with you there C D. I will say though, vampires *spoiler* being able to feed off the void is cool, maybe can flesh out the sithis connection. I always wondered what would happen to Vincent Valtiere or Babette. Do they just not care that Molag Bal maybe will get there soul, or are they long gaming it, knowing that eventually everything will go back to the void eventually, so a couple of thousands years of coldharbour hell is worth killing over multiple life times for Sithis? If the second one, that is pretty metal.
@@hereticalhermit8148 The Nighthollow Clan was an interesting addition, but even they didn't have more than one character and their history didn't have any impressive tales or legends like the Volkihar.
I have always hated that drinking blood makes you weaker
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The worst thing about becoming a vampire is realizing you’ll live long enough to see the end of Fudgemuppet
Just turn them into vampires
@@Henrex2000 genius
I've seen the end of EpicNate, it's not pleasant, I don't want FudgeMuppet to go down the same path
@@Serana_is_so_CUTE I’m right there with you :/ it’s dark days without him
@Jackson Kipper He hasn't uploaded in almost a year. From what I've heard, he's currently having a tough part of his life and wanted to take a break. It's understandable, man's a man after all, but still it feels something is amiss without his uploads
This Podcast is the greatest piece of Elder Scrolls Content ever , truly sad it ended so soon
tbh i thought "feeding less gives you power" thing was just game mechanics forcing you to feed so you dont get run out of town. especially since every vampire seems to be feeding on something in skyrim. castle volkihar even has the dungeon full of slaves for everyone to feed on along with the tables of people to eat etc
I love the vampires of the elder scrolls world the variety of the different bloodlines and the difference in culture that each group of vampires have has always been a super cool concept to me
I like what the Elder Scrolls Online has recently done with explaining Lamae and the Vampire powers of her bloodline.
Started listening to these a few days ago and I'm already almost out of them, since I listen to them in the backround while playing Skyrim, keep em coming :D
Wish I could do that, but my PC took an arrow to the knee.
When I play as a Vampire in Skyrim, I play with Sacrosanct. With Sacrosanct, I also get the Sneak Feeding and Non Starved Draining mod, so what I do is basically I infiltrate a bandit camp, and I just drain all the bandits there to become stronger.
And since I play the Imperial questline, I also use the Windhelm barracks to drain all the Soldiers there. And I also go to Stormcloak Camps to get blood there.
I gotta agree with Scott with the vampires tbh. I have never gotten physically stronger when I haven't eaten anything for a day lol
I think Elder Scrolls shines when they use original creatures instead of “stock” versions.
I like original creatures but vampires and werewolves are a good addition
I definitely agree with with you. The lore is decent but in game vampires are definitely lackluster compared to other stuff
So basically Morrowind
You mean like Orcs? 😂😂😂
Elaborate?
44:10 you just summoned up ESO's vampirism after the rework. Feed to get stronger but also become insane with all your normal abilities costing more to use. They even use word corruption when describing the stages and a fully corrupted vampire is both at their most powerful and their weakest.
I love that you use the road most travelled as your intro in all your vids, it’s an amazing song
I’ve been binging y’all’s videos while doing an Imperial Battlemage Skyrim playthrough. Listening to your podcasts and lore videos while I play enhances my experience so much, and helps me come up with fresh ways to play. Thanks guys, y’all rock!
Same, it's chill to listen to them while traveling around
Instantly clicked on this even though it means an hour of listening to you say Molag Bowel. Let's go!
Omg you hear it too? XD
In oblivion when you first become a vampire your character in fact changes. They look older, pale, more gaunt cheeks and there eyes are in fact immediately pinkish red. I think in the picture you showed the one on the far left was before they were a vampire
Correct, the far left one was them as a mortal. Oblivion's stage 1 was noticable but it was if you were some old person. It was written in lore they were indistinguishable from mortals but in game they're easier to spot for probably gameplay reasons.
I love the fact that there is a weekly podcast on Sunday its a perfect way to end the weekend
10:00 pm and I finally get to sit down and listen to the podcast… I’ve been looking forward to this all day.
Thanks Scott, Drew and Michael.
Obviously I can see three separate people talking with different voices but you'll never convince me that there's more than one of you 😂
They’re a triple god lol
I've always wondered what sets Harkon apart from other vampire Lords that he became the main antagonist, he seems to have gifted you the ability without much hesitation, he must have something that sets him above others to become leader of the clan.
Remember he received it directly for him and his family by sacrificing 1000 people in Molag Bal's name. The rest in Volkihar Castle either where lesser Vamps or gifted Vampirism by Harkon.
@@morrigankasa570 I thought "family" would include the entire clan but yeah ig what you said makes more sense
@@kingclint2382 glad to help:)
Sacrificing 1000 people to a Daedric Prince would set him apart from your run of the mill vampire.
@@soulofconflict yep, but I understand his reasoning. Definitely cruel but understandable. He feared dying and figured this was only way to avoid death.
42:10 I’ve always imagined that the through Ice Vampires are in fact a separate clan from eastern Skyrim much more classic nord style. While the Volkihars in the West are spliced with a little Breton type Court stuff being so west and in the more “civilized” part of Skyrim.
I was honestly hoping that you guys would talk more about the blood scion and how it would fare against a volkihar vampire in terms of transformations. As well as some theorizing on how a transformed blood scion would fight based on the given information. But otherwise loved the video 👍
I always thought of hunger making vampires more monstrous. More buffs but also more weaknesses to things like sunlight. I think the stronger vs weaker scale is a little too simplistic. I like the progression in the sacrosanct mod.
They really are a perfect metaphor for super powerful/rich people living on the life-blood and life-time of their victims. They are like the Nestle of TES
One of my favorite themes.
Thanks fudgmupet ♥️
Right on time... I just started a playthrough yesterday and I sided with the vampires. 🙂
*Grabs Dawnguard rune Axe
@@lazilycatharticone4191 *uses ridiculously overpowered abilities to render your axe useless
@@jacksonconstantine5740 *Grabs flame Enchanted Crossbow bolts with fiery soul trapping and turn undead/sunfire restoration magics to send undead scum back to the depths of Oblivion
@@lazilycatharticone4191 *uses alchemy exploit to make a paralyze poison that essentially lasts forever coats a fork with it and pokes you in the back
@@the_hanged_clown lol ight
I hope Vampires in elder scrolls 6 are super powerful, be fun to be an unstoppable demonic force.
You can have that with mods in Skyrim, use Sacrosanct or Better Vampires.
Nah I hope they have cool animations and stuff without being op or overly complicated
@@mythicmars4848 they need a a great ranking system that takes a long time to become a master vampire.
@@lordsprietsma228 just like sacrosanct, better vampires and sacrilege
@@soulofconflict oh I know those are my favorites
That’s how I cannon my dragonborn, he really dose look pretty much normal when he is fully blood fed. I mean never a normal looking guy; scruffy, short, and sweaty dunnmer. As normal looking as he gets. I like exploring the gray areas he comes in to. Never being a bad guy. But is definitely takes a very dark turn. Feasting on bandits and trapping the souls of his enemies in black soul gems. He’d call this poetic justice often. He’d pose the question “Would anyone shed a tear over The Wolf Queen going to the Soul Carin??”
Honestly being a Volkihar type vampire that still can walk in the sun (it's annoying like a rash but not harmful beyond that) would be a sweet deal.
You're immortal, you get some really neat powers (going by lore descriptions not gameplay) and still can function normally during the day. And you can turn your close ones into vampires if you fear lack of company + traveling Tamriel is a lot safer as a spooky Vampire than just a regular mortal man.
Think how much better the Elves are at certain things bc they live for centuries and then think how good you might become with functionally no time limit.
Definitly enjoyed vampirism more in Oblivion than Skyrim. The drawbacks made it feel more worthwhile. Love these podcasts. Keep'em coming!
How about a new Dwemer-themed build built around EnaiSiaion's new "Tonal Architect" mod, and maybe also that new "Whispers" mod that serves as an alternative to Shouts?
Also, a podcast about the Reachmen and Forsworn would be great.
The videos they've already done on the reach:
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the vampire lore in TES reminds me a lot of the lore in vampire: the masquerade
I discovered you guys a few months ago. I have since watched every podcast at least twice. Thank you.
On another note, would you guys be open to more Q&A videos? I always have tons of questions and stuff I’d love to see brought up in these discussions.
Thanks again!
I don't particularily dislike the "non-feeding makes you stronger" since I appreciate the lore that by not doing it brings you closer to Molag Bal and undeath, increasing your powers. It's also an interesting tradeoff gameplay-wise. The problem is that they should have added more mechanics and conditions when you're hungry, like increasingly blurred vision and other things to depict how becoming more hungry makes you more rabid and craving of blood, despite your added strength and abilities. The low vamps in Skyrim behave kind of like jankies with withdrawals. They should have emphasized on that.
I mean, in Dawnguard, they even removed the Stage 4 feared status for retarded reasons....
Thank you fudgemuppet.
I really do enjoy what you guy's do.
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It'd be cool if the Blood Scion's appearance looked similar to Dettlaff's beast form.
That'd be badass
@@sandsstandsmans6624 you
Yes!!! I was thinking something like the Grievous Twilights, but that's just as cool!
Instead they're bald vampire lord's with horns, no wings, and pink...
I always justified the feeding and strength thing as that when well fed you become more human, like it’s diluting the vampire within you. When you haven’t fed your more pure vampire, and more of a monster.
I've been waiting on this episode I made me a new vampire build 3 weeks ago and loving it with all the mods
The humanity system in vampire masquerade was really interesting. They should add a berserk state to vampires and werewolves in the next game. Like if the werewolf/vampire becomes depraved in their feedings(feed I need on random innocents) or just outright not eating people their berserk state would activate. Also another interesting addition would be giving more powerful werewolves and vampires the ability to have more control during their berserk state
And like Morrowind Vampire clans VtM clans had different abilities
If you play Fallout 4, there is a mod that adds Vampirism with a similar humanity system to masquerade. It's called Sanguinare and its amazing, far better then vanilla Skyrim vampirism.
I actually have a funny story from the mod that involves the berserk system. My character just went randomly crazy while talking to a traveling merchant once, then proceeded to pounce on them and tear their throat out. Needless to say I lost humanity from that.
My first oblivion character was an argonian. Got vampirism and took me forever to cure myself because I was kicked out of the makes guild. Didn't know how to cure it. Got attacked all the time because I was like the final stage.
I always listen to your podcast at night while i sleep . Calm darkness and just great lore guys telling you great elder scrolls stories .
One of my favorite aspects of TES games
17:25 I just started playing Morrowind for the first time this past weekend(best decision ever). One of the coolest things was while progressing through the main quest I slept and got a message about a disturbing dream. So cool! lmao need more of that..
Sacrosanct is the best thing to ever happen to vampires in Skyrim, absolutely love that mod
I love everything about that mod except for the feeding mechanic. I like how in vanilla feeding makes your powers recede, which is a great roleplaying tool imo. But I play vampires quite often, so maybe I’ll give it another shot lol.
I prefer better vampires but sacrosanct is great too
A video on the Cyrodiilic Vampyrum Order with some gameplay/roleplaying would be amazing.
I love vampires in elder scrolls. It my favorite role playing character.
I can see why Dagoth Ur is considered a "vampire" in some sense though since, he (and frankly the Tribunal) have to "drink" from the Heart of Lorkhan so in a way, they're drinking Lorkhan's blood to fuel themselves right? So in a weird, magical/mystical sort of way, they're like cosmic vampires lol
I think it's interesting how Michael views Werewolves vs. how he views Vampires.
I see them as reflections of the same thing. They're both just shinning a light on the "beast" within, but they highlight different parts. The werewolves that we see are more beastial, but there's definitely a sense of enjoyment in the hunting and fighting, so I don't get when Michael says they have less of an element of "I find this fun". The only difference (in my opinion) is how they go about doing things. Vampires are more conspiratorial, charming, shadowy while werewolves are more... direct.
I look at it this way, Werewolves may find the "thrill of the hunt" fun, however they aren't usually sadistic in their hunts. Even Hircine is said to not attack you if you aren't willing to play the game (run or fight). While Vampires for the most part have a sadistic element to them.
An other way to view it, a serial killer vs a crime of passion. Passion happens in the moment with no real "thought" place into it. That's more where the Werewolves are, instinctual. While a serial killer lurks, lies in wait, often has some of the most sick ways to torture and finally kill their victims. There's an element of power there, power over their victims. That's where the Vampires are.
There's a reason that in the real world hunters usually have a code, clean or as clean a kill as possible. While serial killers often have some of the most horrifying ways to kill, the intent is to strike fear into their victims and potential victims. They also are said to often start with torturing animals, so there's that too.
Thus isn't to say that Werewolves are "good" but at the end of the day if you had to choose, would you want a Telbooth/Wetfang vampire death? Or to be torn to pieces by a Werewolf much like a Bear mauling that's usually quick? (Both do suck tho).
The vampires are freakin legit In the elder scrolls. And I loved the lords strain. I’d love to see a bunch of different strains in the next games with better buffs to choose from
I been using a mod, that makes the Volkihar look more like how they are described in the lore, its pretty well made, and while you can tell something isn't, quite right with my character, there isn't any glowing eye bits. And at night with a hood up, you could easily mistake them as just a normal person.
Vampires: *kills and replaces members of families*
The institute: Write that down, write that down!!
It reminds me of an old friend I haven't seen in quite a while. Evil Eddie was his nickname. He loved vampire lore. I image he'd play a vampire illusionist (like he wanted to play in D&D) in Skyrim. I'm not so sure how he'd feel about them being the product of Molag Bal's std though.
There comes a time in every play through where you have to ask yourself: “Do I be a werewolf, or do I be a vampire?”
Yessssssssss I was waiting for this thanks fudgemuppet
Their eyes in TES5 are that way because the Dovahkiin seeks power and senses the power of the vampires.
I feel that the idea of not drinking blood making you stronger could of worked if they really highlighted the downsides. Like how a starving wolf is more dangerous than a well fed one, they should have highlighted how vampires get desperate and gain access to more primal, violent means of feeding. They struggle to think straight and eventually are consumed by their hunger, being only able to think of feeding. And then similar to the starving wolf, eventually they will die. But it is in the moment just before, where they are most desperate, that they are the most dangerous.
Hi guys, great video as always:D I love listening to you guys while playing Skyrim it’s more immersive and fun. Take care now travelers !
I’d love to see a podcast about what magic should be like in es6 big magic fan but Skyrim leaves lots to be desired thank god mods!
I only started to like Vampires when I encountered the Vampire Counts in Warhammer Fantasy. Inspired by their example I set out to make my modded Skyrim Vampire closer to the Vampire Counts than the Elder Scrolls variety. Also took inspiration from some of the quests I read about in ESO about certain vampires experimenting with the curse/disease, to found the backstory for my particular kind of strain. The results have been fantastic, but it stretches the limits of what the Lore would likely allow. I love it.
Man I love this podcast..thank you!
An outstanding start to the new podcast year. Keep it up boys!
Vampires in Underworld is my favorite interpretation of vampirasim, that is why i love Vampirisim in the Elder scrolls universe.
AMEN!
Underworld is underrated
If you liked that ripoff, check out vampire the masquerade by white wolf publishing. Basically the original form of underworld.
@@usern4metak3ns Oh watched a video about it, looks really cool!
Unbelievably based topic. Might fire up the RIM and serve in Lord Harkon’s court while watching.
Could you do a video about conventions for dragon/argonian names so we can come up with names for ourselves something like "How dragon names are formed and how YOU can pick one for yourself" something like that and a big red circle or something idk
Best podcast tbh, i listen or watch a lot of podcasts but yours is just superior, you could say it achieved chim
I’ve been waiting for you guys to do an episode based on vampires! Thank you guys! 🙏🏼
I guess the idea with the no blood / animal blood thing is that it's a bit of "you are what you eat." Vampires lacking in blood grow closer to the divine power that created them, but their physical bodies still hunger for mortal needs, since they aren't truly immortal. But by ingesting human blood, they satisfy their hunger but draw themselves back down to the level of a human. By ingesting animal blood, they satisfy their hunger but draw themselves down to the level of a beast. So vampires in their most powerful state would be a being that takes in nothing of the mortal realm, but that isn't possible since by their nature, they're still cursed mortal vessels.
9:53. Technically Harkon took part in the Ritual also. So did he suffer the same humiliation as Serrana and Her Mother Valerica?
Probably, Molag Bal can turn into a female I presume.
Wasn't it Serana or Valerica that turned Harkon? the 1000 souls was just to get in contact with Molag Bal
@@user-wh8mb7tm2g good question but considering Molag Bal I can imagine him dominating Harkon in a very degrading way!!!!
@@ludicrousfunone5705 yeah its highly possible, it would make his "behold the power!" Speech rather pathetic if he had to go through that🤣
@@user-wh8mb7tm2g LMAO definitely
I just hunt and feed on bandits, deadra worshippers, rogue mages and necromancers and any other villains.
Yup. Raiding the bad guys as a seductive monster is very satisfying
YES! The one I've been waiting for! Just don't do the Werewolf/lycanthrope episode *too* soon, or else I'll have less to look forward to :p
I think they said that is the next ep lol
I want drinking blood to level you up as a vampire simply because I want to BE A VAMPIRE. Like come on, I went through all the trouble of finding a vampire, letting it hit me until I died a few times, and finally caught the disease while avoiding shrines. And I still don't feel like a vampire. I just got a few new spells.
Yay, you guys are finally doing a podcast on my species! It’s good to see vampiric representation.
Damn right
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@@Look_Upon_The_Heart Was my comment not coherent? Why the dots yo?
I love Kruhl Tepes 👍
@@bronzecobra8556 Me too. She’s my favorite vampire.
I always seen vampires becoming stronger when not fed that they are starving and are desperate for the next meal. Much like staving people unlock powers of desperation.
I assert my dominance by joining the dawn guard as a vampire
ied love to see the molagbal vampires added to elderscrols 6 would be an interesting story for em
In my head canon it makes sense they become imortal and will always be around to fight alduin if he comes back
Yessss highlight of my week
alternate vampire origin theory: they began as a race of snake-like creatures who survived the end of the last kalpa by becoming shapeshifting parasites who took on aspects of their prey. they are the origin species of both the vampires and the akaviri snake-folk, some of whom feed on the souls of dragons becoming dragons themselves.
Vampires? Oh hell yes I have been waiting for this one!
Y'all got any of that good skooma? *nervously scratches face* asking for a friend.
My answer to your alls Conundrum over the animal blood drinkers getting weaker in eso is this:
Drinking blood does make both types weaker and more human appearing, but then when they don't drink blood for the buffs they don't achieve the same level of strength they did when they had a human blood diet.
This way the blood does affect how strong they get but also helps them maintain a human appearance.
Furthermore, I thinknit makes sense that going a few days without blood will make them stronger, but if they straight up get blood starved for a very long period of time they could die or go feral. It's simple enough to consolidate gameplay with lore.
The moral thing is to only feed on willing doners and leave them with enough to survive
I literally just finished watching the vampires worth it video
Perhaps the Vampire curse directly cuts the infected mortal Off from the divines?
What species was The Count from Sesame Street?
Truthfully the count is a Lagosi Dracula parody. If he were to be a elder scrolls vampire, my best guess is a cyrodyllic . In tht they blend in with mortals and are cultured ..
Kinda dissapointed they didnt mention anything involving the ravenwatch but still a great episode
I wasn't really a fan of the Ravenwatch storyline. Vampires are supposed to be the scorn of Tamriel, but House Ravenwatch is an open secret that is friends with the King and other nobles because they are the "good" vampires. It is boring.
I love playing as a vampire in skyrim