Very impressive! Sealed the deal for me. We're looking for a tow vehicle to tow a small travel trailer, and do some off roading at our destinations. This has the best of both on and off roading qualities I think!
Good day!! You have very hardy and reliable SUVs for traveling in Russia in our difficult climatic conditions We have two jeep grand cherokee wk2 first overland 2013 of release engine 3.6 mileage at the moment 500,000 miles! Only scheduled maintenance from major breakdowns of the automatic transmission and that's it. I would like to note a very hardy chassis and generally high off-road durability!
Seriously looking at the GC as the ideal mix of off-road and on road capability. This video clinched it for me- if only they would include a selectable rear locker like they have in the Cherokee! Looking forward to see what the Trailhawk looks like in the new GC and if they release an more off-road version of the Wagoneer as well.
The Grand Cherokee Trailhawk has a rear locker. I've used it many times. Works amazing. My dad has footage of me going up obstacles and my front tire won't even do a full turn before dying and all power going to the other wheel
It's true that the GC doesn't have a rear locker, however, the electronic limited slip works exactly as one since it'll fully lock the rear axle. That means you're actually never going to be needing a selectable one since the software will have done it for you even before you need it - just make sure you're in Rock or Mud/Sand mode. What it *does* need is an ELSD in the front too (or locker) - here the traction control just isn't good enough. And, oh boy, does it need better articulation - but hey, the lack thereof makes for some interesting driving at times...
The locker was my only hesitation to get a gc. I ended up with a 17 overland so I can tow a smaller camper. I really wanted a trailhawk cherokee because they have rear locker, but end up with a gc overland because I found one for a good price and has a way higher tow rating.
This is such a treat to watch 😁👍 love the car , the driving and spotting .. all done right 👍 Just ordered sets of 5100 bilistons shocks , and new wheels .. hopefully will have then installed soon on my grand cherokee..
Same with a road called Stagecoach in my town in Texas. And I currently drive an 03 mustang 😅 been looking at hatchbacks that can go off roads for when it’s time to trade in
Can't beat the Wrangler for off-road capability. Unfortunately I am to tall, the roll bar is right behind my head. Would not be good in an accident, so I'm looking into one of these. They drive nice on the road. Did a test drive this morning
Wow! I had no idea a GC was capable of defeating such extreme moguls and other difficult off-road trails. This GC beats other off road vehicles on videos showing the 4Runner and Land Cruiser. Thanks for sharing your videos. Just wish Jeeps were more reliable and easier for mechanics to work on like Toyotas. Well...guess everything in life has trade-off, doesn't it?
From someone who managed a tire shop for seven years. Those Goodyear's received a lot of complaints about poor performance. I strongly feel that If they were in something of a better quality, like BFgoodrich KO2. We wouldn't be seeing as much tire spinning that we are.
BFgoodrich are definetly better tyres off road .. but I reckon they would be too noisy on the road .. I'm about to buy ones but can't see myself buying BFgoodrich coz I do plenty of highway driving ..
Not sure y jeep got rid of qd2 with front and rear lockers. Best system they made. Nothing got stuck and never end up like some of these scenes where the front meeded it bad to get him through
I love your Channel...I've been watching more and MORE! I'm in the PA / Philadelphia area, If I ever get out of my Muscle Car phase and get into the Off-Road Toys, I will be in touch! Hopefully do a nice collaboration :) - More importantly find out where this trail is :)
Your not far from Wharton state forest and the southern pine Barrens in cape may County. Lots of good trails and deep holes, the high line trails get nasty up in Cumberland County also. There are some decent trails in Estelle manor . ✌🦆
They are very good. The 4x4 traction control system is very fast at figuring things out. Stock tires are great for sand as they won't dig down as fast as a more aggressive tire will.
With some more armor, lift/tires, and a winch I could see this tackling some decent trails. Just wouldn't want to pay for fixing what you break oh these and trail repairs would be a challenge. Overlanding in a trailhawk would be interesting though.
Just ordered 5100 bilistons for my grand cherokee .. that should give me about 1.75 inch lift .. and got the 17 inch wheels ... I just need to pick the right tyres and I'm all sat 😁
A little bit of wheel spacer would give you a little better flex because it will lower the wheel rate due to the change in motion ratio. As long as you don't rub and you don't get any vibrations from the spacer it's a good thing.
Ya I agree with you.. mine is 2015 and don't flex 😅 I just ordered a set of 5100 bilistons shocks .. and hopefully I can see a little bit of flex lol ... but I gotta tell you ,, getting the car on 3 or 2 wheels are kinda fun too 😁
In such situation will help to turn on “off-road cruise control”,which activates in 4Low mode only. In that mode your front axle will have high-active anti-slip braking so it will help you to get out slowly in such situation)
@@volodymyrprosov6134 Jeeps 4x4 system should be sending power to the other wheel though, thats the whole point of this system. To send power where its needed.
@@volodymyrprosov6134 The issue using that type of system in these scenario (0:34) is how uneven the ground is, you need to stop and switching weight, where as that system will just maintain a constant speed. Its a reactive system, but definitely has its place. I use mine on my RRS in certain slick situations and it works wonders.
@@DrivenHard it doesn’t send in one wheel, it does only between front and rear axle from 100-0% to 0-100% or&and between left front and rear tires and right front and rear tires. So from side to side, from 2 wheels to another 2 wheels,but never to only single wheel. Except quadra drive 2,because of his rear electronic limited slip differential,so it has 2 clutches and may disconnect any rear single axle to send up to 100% of power to another rear axle. In case of front differential and front cv axle, it always weaker than rear differential,and to save and front differential and front left and right cv axles, it works just as open differential, so i mean if the system or computer will send 100% power to only front differential, and one wheel will be in air or unloaded, the car won’t move because front free differential will send the power to the unloaded wheel or wheel in the air, and in front axle and in rear axle quadra drive 2 doesn’t use active anti slip brake control or traction control,because quadra drive 2 has limited rear slip differential and it is enough to pull up and active braking traction control may destroy it,so the only way to get it is 4low mode and turn on off road cruise control button . Quadra trak 2 yes it has active anti-slip brake control assist and it has really high sensitivity even in front axle ,because the system doesn’t have rear limited slip differential.
This generation of grand cherokee wk2 on a solid frame, the new wl is no longer available, the dealer in Australia sent me with regards to the welded frame in wk2: Monocoque Body with Built-in Ladder Frame They say that superior off-road handling capability could only come at the expense of on-road smoothness. They have obviously never driven grand cherokee . By incorporating a lightweight and highly rigid monocoque body with a built-in ladder frame that provides added resistance to torsion and flexing and fixing them atop a dynamic independent suspension, Grand cherokee achieves an unprecedented combination of all-terrain control and luxury-sedan comfort. For added durability, grand cherokee now makes more extensive use of galvanized steel body panels, while the new aluminum hood panel reduces weight for better handling. very durable relieble suv strong
2011 To 2021 has a stupid front open diff. Wk 2010 has a front LSD. If there is a way to add E-locker to the front Diff, then the whole WK2 off-road experience will be changed totally. Thank you anyway.
If anything this video shows how poor this vehicle, and any vehicle with independent front suspension, can be on off camper trails and trails that require felx and articulation. But I guess with ultra proper wheel placement you can swing it by, but a solid axle vehicle with the ability to disconnect the sway bar is more manageable!
Vehicles without any traction control and open differentials seem to really struggle compared to the newer vehicles with traction control such as ATRAC from Toyota. If the driver is familiar with their vehicle they can compete with full locker vehicles in all but the most extreme situations.
@@4x4OffRoadChannel Good day!! You have very hardy and reliable SUVs for traveling in Russia in our difficult climatic conditions We have two jeep grand cherokee wk2 first overland 2013 of release engine 3.6 mileage at the moment 500,000 miles! Only scheduled maintenance from major breakdowns of the automatic transmission and that's it. I would like to note a very hardy chassis and generally high off-road durability!
It's too bad Jeeps and Fiat/Chrysler vehicles in general are so unreliable. They have a lot great ideas and functionality, but too many problems and do not last without spending a fortune in repairs.
The rear wheels can lock sending power 50/50 due to the electric LSD the front wheels have a very good torq vectoring system. This jeep is extremely good off road. Quadra drive is very capable trust me.
@@ecentballer1 It's only sending power to 2 wheels at a time. 1 front, 1 rear. Real 4X4 would send it to all all 4 at the same time. There's a UA-cam channel that tests awd and 4x4 vehicles by putting all the different combinations of wheels on rollers to test the vehicles drive system. This Cherokee is an awd vehicle.
@@Pendragon501 brother the E lsd system can LOCK the rear wheels so both in the rear spin at the same time. It's electronically pushes the clutch pack together which LOCKS THE REAR WHEELS. you are correct about the front wheels. Only one will spin at a time left or right. But you will have a combination or three wheels spinning total at a time. Two in the rear and one up front. But as I stated the tq vectorING system for the front diff is very good system
Although the Jeep Grand Cherokee doesn't have great articulation its 4wd system is very aggressive allowing it to keep moving even with a wheel off the ground.
@@4x4OffRoadChannel I do agree that it never stopped moving, that I can agree with you on, I’ve heard that the air suspension makes the ride fairly rough when cracked up on rock mode or whatever
This generation of grand cherokee wk2 on a solid frame, the new wl is no longer available, the dealer in Australia sent me with regards to the welded frame in wk2: Monocoque Body with Built-in Ladder Frame They say that superior off-road handling capability could only come at the expense of on-road smoothness. They have obviously never driven grand cherokee . By incorporating a lightweight and highly rigid monocoque body with a built-in ladder frame that provides added resistance to torsion and flexing and fixing them atop a dynamic independent suspension, Grand cherokee achieves an unprecedented combination of all-terrain control and luxury-sedan comfort. For added durability, grand cherokee now makes more extensive use of galvanized steel body panels, while the new aluminum hood panel reduces weight for better handling. very durable relieble suv strong
That jeep is literally defying the laws of gravity
Very impressive! Sealed the deal for me. We're looking for a tow vehicle to tow a small travel trailer, and do some off roading at our destinations. This has the best of both on and off roading qualities I think!
Nice to see one of these off road!! Good stuff!
I have one my self and I think they are very under rated! They are great off road vehicles!
Good day!! You have very hardy and reliable SUVs for traveling in Russia in our difficult climatic conditions
We have two jeep grand cherokee wk2 first overland 2013 of release engine 3.6 mileage at the moment 500,000 miles! Only scheduled maintenance from major breakdowns of the automatic transmission and that's it.
I would like to note a very hardy chassis and generally high off-road durability!
impressive what the GC can do damn it !
Seriously looking at the GC as the ideal mix of off-road and on road capability. This video clinched it for me- if only they would include a selectable rear locker like they have in the Cherokee! Looking forward to see what the Trailhawk looks like in the new GC and if they release an more off-road version of the Wagoneer as well.
The Grand Cherokee Trailhawk has a rear locker. I've used it many times. Works amazing. My dad has footage of me going up obstacles and my front tire won't even do a full turn before dying and all power going to the other wheel
It's true that the GC doesn't have a rear locker, however, the electronic limited slip works exactly as one since it'll fully lock the rear axle. That means you're actually never going to be needing a selectable one since the software will have done it for you even before you need it - just make sure you're in Rock or Mud/Sand mode.
What it *does* need is an ELSD in the front too (or locker) - here the traction control just isn't good enough. And, oh boy, does it need better articulation - but hey, the lack thereof makes for some interesting driving at times...
@@kga1978 the older models had front and rear elsd, a shame they stopped that
The locker was my only hesitation to get a gc. I ended up with a 17 overland so I can tow a smaller camper. I really wanted a trailhawk cherokee because they have rear locker, but end up with a gc overland because I found one for a good price and has a way higher tow rating.
@@onawhimadventures7672 It's not selectable though is it?
Extremely impressive 👏
Love it! What roof rack is that?
This is such a treat to watch 😁👍 love the car , the driving and spotting .. all done right 👍
Just ordered sets of 5100 bilistons shocks , and new wheels .. hopefully will have then installed soon on my grand cherokee..
Good spotting at 9:09. He can spot for me anyday.
John, your videos are awesome, thanks so much!
Wk2 owner here! Love this
Great choice and its an extremely capable vehicle.
Jeep TrailHawk is a beast!!!! I love it
Just ordered mine in black with a hemi
I can do this in New York on roads with potholes 🤓
Yo facts, Manhattan, Atlantic ave in queens, Fordham rd in bx, etc... thats the fucking off road jungle and its with asphalt not dirt!
Wait, this isnt new york? Lol
Same with a road called Stagecoach in my town in Texas. And I currently drive an 03 mustang 😅 been looking at hatchbacks that can go off roads for when it’s time to trade in
The ride from Newark to NYC is pretty much this . But sir you won the internet
So torn between getting a grand Cherokee trailhawk or the wrangler rubicon 😩
Wrangler for the articulation. You’ll save yourself from a near rollover experience
You get the best of both with the trail hawk,just ordered mine in black with the hemi,trading in a 19 moab
Can't beat the Wrangler for off-road capability. Unfortunately I am to tall, the roll bar is right behind my head. Would not be good in an accident, so I'm looking into one of these. They drive nice on the road. Did a test drive this morning
For comfort on the road GC for off road capability right out of dealer rubicon
@@abazdarhon I have both, love them to death. But I enjoy the challenge of finding the right lines in the WK2 vs driving over everything in the JL
Great video and even better driving. Do you mind posting which trails these were?
I will check the map and get back to you. We have a group called Northeast 4x4 Off Road Club on FB if your on it.
What are these tires & the specs on your tires? They look fantastic.....
Wow! I had no idea a GC was capable of defeating such extreme moguls and other difficult off-road trails. This GC beats other off road vehicles on videos showing the 4Runner and Land Cruiser. Thanks for sharing your videos. Just wish Jeeps were more reliable and easier for mechanics to work on like Toyotas. Well...guess everything in life has trade-off, doesn't it?
My wife traded me for a bbc best decision ever
From someone who managed a tire shop for seven years. Those Goodyear's received a lot of complaints about poor performance. I strongly feel that If they were in something of a better quality, like BFgoodrich KO2. We wouldn't be seeing as much tire spinning that we are.
BFgoodrich are definetly better tyres off road .. but I reckon they would be too noisy on the road .. I'm about to buy ones but can't see myself buying BFgoodrich coz I do plenty of highway driving ..
Aftr year of Goodyear went back to bfg for my wrangler
I looked at one of these beasts, Lexus isf350, ultimately went for the Nissan armada platinum that can keep up with this off trail for about 10 feet.
Awesome video awesome right out of the box vehicle.👍
Not sure y jeep got rid of qd2 with front and rear lockers. Best system they made. Nothing got stuck and never end up like some of these scenes where the front meeded it bad to get him through
They still make it. Just an extra option that cost more
I love your Channel...I've been watching more and MORE! I'm in the PA / Philadelphia area, If I ever get out of my Muscle Car phase and get into the Off-Road Toys, I will be in touch! Hopefully do a nice collaboration :) - More importantly find out where this trail is :)
Your always welcome to join us. This trail is at Rausch Creek Off Road Park in PA. We have a group on FB called Northeast 4x4 Off Road Club.
@@4x4OffRoadChannel Will do!
Your not far from Wharton state forest and the southern pine Barrens in cape may County. Lots of good trails and deep holes, the high line trails get nasty up in Cumberland County also. There are some decent trails in Estelle manor . ✌🦆
@@timkincade9763 Thanks for that! Appreciate it!
Whether there is a factory 4x4 system in this machine?
Would my 2021 Laredo do that ?
With Quadradrive II yes and lift but not recommended without some underbody protection, certainly not the rock part (crawlers ridge)
You don’t need QDII to do this. Any 4wd WK2 can handle this type of off roading with ease. The truck is to not have 17 spotters like this guy has
I love my Jeep
How are these on loose sand? with stock tires lowered psi?
They are very good. The 4x4 traction control system is very fast at figuring things out. Stock tires are great for sand as they won't dig down as fast as a more aggressive tire will.
What type/size tires are running here? 265/65-18?
The Jeep will put all four on the ground when its good and ready
With some more armor, lift/tires, and a winch I could see this tackling some decent trails. Just wouldn't want to pay for fixing what you break oh these and trail repairs would be a challenge. Overlanding in a trailhawk would be interesting though.
Just ordered 5100 bilistons for my grand cherokee .. that should give me about 1.75 inch lift .. and got the 17 inch wheels ... I just need to pick the right tyres and I'm all sat 😁
A little bit of wheel spacer would give you a little better flex because it will lower the wheel rate due to the change in motion ratio. As long as you don't rub and you don't get any vibrations from the spacer it's a good thing.
Does anyone know how reliable the turbo diesel version is??
Great video
Beast
great driving, well done!
I am impressed and a driver who is not dumb surely helps. But Jeep did not think of the word FLEX when they built that.
Ya I agree with you.. mine is 2015 and don't flex 😅 I just ordered a set of 5100 bilistons shocks .. and hopefully I can see a little bit of flex lol ... but I gotta tell you ,, getting the car on 3 or 2 wheels are kinda fun too 😁
Try doing that with a Highlander
Try going 300k in that Grand Cherokee though
Or a Subaru
He needed to turn right not left in the beginning. The right tire had more traction and the front left was in a little hole.
Классная проходимость, тачка-огонь!!!
impressive!
Який двигун на цьому автомобілі?
Конкретно на этом 3 или 3,6 литра Pentastar
@ Я думав 5.7
Was he even in low range?? Why wasn't it shifting power to the front driver side at the times he needed it too
Because front axle has open differential without active braking to save cv axle
In such situation will help to turn on “off-road cruise control”,which activates in 4Low mode only. In that mode your front axle will have high-active anti-slip braking so it will help you to get out slowly in such situation)
@@volodymyrprosov6134 Jeeps 4x4 system should be sending power to the other wheel though, thats the whole point of this system. To send power where its needed.
@@volodymyrprosov6134 The issue using that type of system in these scenario (0:34) is how uneven the ground is, you need to stop and switching weight, where as that system will just maintain a constant speed. Its a reactive system, but definitely has its place. I use mine on my RRS in certain slick situations and it works wonders.
@@DrivenHard it doesn’t send in one wheel, it does only between front and rear axle from 100-0% to 0-100% or&and between left front and rear tires and right front and rear tires. So from side to side, from 2 wheels to another 2 wheels,but never to only single wheel. Except quadra drive 2,because of his rear electronic limited slip differential,so it has 2 clutches and may disconnect any rear single axle to send up to 100% of power to another rear axle. In case of front differential and front cv axle, it always weaker than rear differential,and to save and front differential and front left and right cv axles, it works just as open differential, so i mean if the system or computer will send 100% power to only front differential, and one wheel will be in air or unloaded, the car won’t move because front free differential will send the power to the unloaded wheel or wheel in the air, and in front axle and in rear axle quadra drive 2 doesn’t use active anti slip brake control or traction control,because quadra drive 2 has limited rear slip differential and it is enough to pull up and active braking traction control may destroy it,so the only way to get it is 4low mode and turn on off road cruise control button . Quadra trak 2 yes it has active anti-slip brake control assist and it has really high sensitivity even in front axle ,because the system doesn’t have rear limited slip differential.
What kind of roof rack is that ?
Cheif
This generation of grand cherokee wk2 on a solid frame, the new wl is no longer available, the dealer in Australia sent me with regards to the welded frame in wk2:
Monocoque Body with Built-in Ladder Frame
They say that superior off-road handling capability could only come at the expense of on-road smoothness. They have obviously never driven grand cherokee . By incorporating a lightweight and highly rigid monocoque body with a built-in ladder frame that provides added resistance to torsion and flexing and fixing them atop a dynamic independent suspension, Grand cherokee achieves an unprecedented combination of all-terrain control and luxury-sedan comfort. For added durability, grand cherokee now makes more extensive use of galvanized steel body panels, while the new aluminum hood panel reduces weight for better handling.
very durable relieble suv strong
what? my jeep can do this?? the other day i was worried about if i might get stuck on the medium or not...
no trailhawk badging? is that a trailhawk? says grand cherokee. I have a trailhawk and mine says just trailhawk and jeep no cherokee anywhere on it
2011 To 2021 has a stupid front open diff.
Wk 2010 has a front LSD.
If there is a way to add E-locker to the front Diff, then the whole WK2 off-road experience will be changed totally.
Thank you anyway.
Neat.
Nice video man. What modes have used? Rock mode?
Mix of Rock and Mud, 4 low only on crawlers ridge
Has about as much flex as a piece of wood
I wouldn't do this to mine cuz I'm in a lease 🙋♂️
For sure a Hemi
Nice but with the current prices a Mojave jeep is cheaper .
Those rims look like they took some abuse.
👍👍
If anything this video shows how poor this vehicle, and any vehicle with independent front suspension, can be on off camper trails and trails that require felx and articulation. But I guess with ultra proper wheel placement you can swing it by, but a solid axle vehicle with the ability to disconnect the sway bar is more manageable!
Vehicles without any traction control and open differentials seem to really struggle compared to the newer vehicles with traction control such as ATRAC from Toyota. If the driver is familiar with their vehicle they can compete with full locker vehicles in all but the most extreme situations.
@@4x4OffRoadChannel Good day!! You have very hardy and reliable SUVs for traveling in Russia in our difficult climatic conditions
We have two jeep grand cherokee wk2 first overland 2013 of release engine 3.6 mileage at the moment 500,000 miles! Only scheduled maintenance from major breakdowns of the automatic transmission and that's it.
I would like to note a very hardy chassis and generally high off-road durability!
Jeeps are now fiats. Keep that in mind when you buy your new car with slots in the grill
El sistema de tracción es poco agresivo y ni actúa cuando solo la rueda delantera izda puede traccionar.
It's too bad Jeeps and Fiat/Chrysler vehicles in general are so unreliable. They have a lot great ideas and functionality, but too many problems and do not last without spending a fortune in repairs.
U know not every European country drives on the right side of the road right?
Zero Flex.
Not a Land Rover
No locking diffs... Not a real 4x4. This is an all wheel drive vehicle. If it were a real 4x4, everything would have been much easier.
The rear wheels can lock sending power 50/50 due to the electric LSD the front wheels have a very good torq vectoring system. This jeep is extremely good off road. Quadra drive is very capable trust me.
@@ecentballer1 It's only sending power to 2 wheels at a time. 1 front, 1 rear. Real 4X4 would send it to all all 4 at the same time. There's a UA-cam channel that tests awd and 4x4 vehicles by putting all the different combinations of wheels on rollers to test the vehicles drive system. This Cherokee is an awd vehicle.
@@Pendragon501 brother the E lsd system can LOCK the rear wheels so both in the rear spin at the same time. It's electronically pushes the clutch pack together which LOCKS THE REAR WHEELS. you are correct about the front wheels. Only one will spin at a time left or right. But you will have a combination or three wheels spinning total at a time. Two in the rear and one up front. But as I stated the tq vectorING system for the front diff is very good system
@@Pendragon501you don't know the difference between 4H , 4L and awd? You must have some kind of Subaru shit
Put someone in the jeep that knows how to drive off-road. I own a trail hawk and that jeep should not be spinning the tires like that
The Down-travel is so miserable, so disappointing. So easily the wheels come off the ground. Terrible offroad car.
Although the Jeep Grand Cherokee doesn't have great articulation its 4wd system is very aggressive allowing it to keep moving even with a wheel off the ground.
@@4x4OffRoadChannel I do agree that it never stopped moving, that I can agree with you on, I’ve heard that the air suspension makes the ride fairly rough when cracked up on rock mode or whatever
This generation of grand cherokee wk2 on a solid frame, the new wl is no longer available, the dealer in Australia sent me with regards to the welded frame in wk2:
Monocoque Body with Built-in Ladder Frame
They say that superior off-road handling capability could only come at the expense of on-road smoothness. They have obviously never driven grand cherokee . By incorporating a lightweight and highly rigid monocoque body with a built-in ladder frame that provides added resistance to torsion and flexing and fixing them atop a dynamic independent suspension, Grand cherokee achieves an unprecedented combination of all-terrain control and luxury-sedan comfort. For added durability, grand cherokee now makes more extensive use of galvanized steel body panels, while the new aluminum hood panel reduces weight for better handling.
very durable relieble suv strong