Pakistan at 77: A Time for Course Correction
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
- » As Pakistan marks 77 years of independence, it’s time to critically examine the path we’ve taken. What went wrong, and how can we correct our course? Join us for an engaging discussion as we explore the challenges that have plagued our nation and suggest actionable solutions for a brighter future.
● Moderator:
» Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy
Author and Physicist
● Discussants:
» Dr. Kaiser Bengali
Academic, Economist
» Dr. Tariq Banuri
Former Chairperson, HEC
"Enormous congratulations to the phenomenal Arshad Nadeem on making history by winning Pakistan's first-ever Olympic gold medal in an individual sport! Your remarkable achievement in the javelin throw event has brought immense pride and joy to your nation. Your dedication, perseverance, and passion have paid off, and you've inspired a generation of athletes and citizens alike.
To the people of Pakistan, celebrate this glorious moment! Arshad Nadeem's triumph. Well done, Pakistan!"🎉🎉🎉
I don't know what's the future of Pakistan, but we free now. I extend warmest wishes to Pakistan🇵🇰❤
When people are raised with the idea that they are superior because they are born in a certain religion then there's no scope for improvement or self reflection
Thank You Jinnah - Bharati
We lost 23% of our motherland Bharat and the cradle of Hindu Civilisation the Indus Valley due to Partition. What the hell are you thanking about.
Happy DEPENDENCE (on IMF, China, Saudi, UAE, Amreeka etc etc etc) Day...!!
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Every year, SAME discussion in Pakistan🇵🇰🇵🇰 😂😂😂
Pakistan and Pakistanis suffer from NATO (No Action Talk Only) syndrome.
Just jawboning . All talk
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Dream of every Pakistani is mic 🎤
Annual mourning session in pakistan😂
I beg to disagree. This is a quality discussion.
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Will hear the same quality discussion with the same crib, and your country degrades further 😅
Most people in this forum look like intelligents, but they are unable to point out the reason for the debacle of Pakistan! No doubt Pakistan's Govt is inefficient, but what is responsible for its failure, the root cause lies in the formation of Pakistan itself! Its formed based on a religion which gives backward thinking and does not encourage Science and Technology. It asks for submission instead of love & affection! In India Hindus worship thousands of Gods and non-believers are also encouraged whereas in Pakistan laws like blasphemy law, this is there to punish non-muslims. There must be criticism allowed on everything including existance of so called god or messenger. There is nothing wrong in it & all religions allow its people to do so, except islamic countries.
As a Pakistani, I agree with you 100%. Separation was a mistake. Our leaders told us lies because they did not want to share power and wanted it for themselves.
We were one people. Separated first by Arab invaders. And then again by power hungry conmen.
One day we’ll unite again. Like East and west Germany. And we’ll be stronger for it.
Buddy your so wrong its not even a joke. I know your a Hindu so you probably hate islam which is pretty common in India so i ain't gonna bash you for it. But the real reason is that people have forgotten the actual religion of Islam. Religious fanatics have handpicked what they like from the Quranic book without any context of what it actually means and the real reason for it. For example, the reason why the Quran tells women to wear pardah and cover up with proper clothing is to avoid lustful eyes of them. And because this is not abided by we see so many rape cases in India and not just there, but all around the world. Coming to science and technology, again the fanatics say it's not allowed to make progress in science is absolutely false. I am a Muslim and i am telling you that. If you don't believe me that's up to you. Islam urges man to discover the secrets of the cosmos and to ponder and think about God's creation, but what Islam doesn't allow is Man not recognizing that all this creation is created by God solely alone. Which is why Islam is a monotheistic religion. You really should use logic and common sense, to understand that 90% of the population of Pakistan has no access to education, which includes high-quality Islamic education. Hence the root lies in education and accessibility to it, Not islam.
I say the Reason why Pakistan created is because of the mind set of some who believe 'In a minority Muslim community they will not be able to survive'......
"बड़े लोगों की छोटी सोच"😅
If only Pakistani were honest about religion and keep it personal
Like Pakistan send afgani to afganistan similarly India also need to send 24 crore Muslims to Pakistan than India can sell 24 crore peoples food to world and earn billions
Sir ,! Mai India se Ganesh apko pranam (salam) karta hu .you are Guru (real ustad).your activities are pro world peace & development of not only Pakistan but entire WORLD. SIR .MAY GOD BLESS YOU WITH LONG LIFE. MY HEART LEAPS WITH JOY. WHEN I SEE YOUR PROGRAMME IT WORTH OF WATCHING. THANKS A LOT.
it was not independent day, but was day of separation for pakistan, you people did not struggle for independence
True. No leader of Muslim League ever went to jail. The League decided to support the British war efforts with manpower. The Congress did not. In return for the loyalty of the League, the British gave them territory. This territory (after 1971 split) is now called Pakistan.
@@rakadus Perfectly explained!! The league was an organization of Muslim elites concerned about their future in independent India. And by licking British boots, they got what they wanted.
I'm from India we also have a long way to go but we are on the right path. Just glad the partition happened or we would have been saddled with this mindset. Best wishes to you all hope the situation improves.
This is what jinnah wanted who represented elite, this is true when jinnah proclaimed that our constitution was written 1400 years ago, now do not hesitate to enjoy fruits of same
It's interesting how use of word Ideology is carefully used as a synonym for religion.
You hit the nail on the head.
😂😂 Pakistani knows the problem but can't say it openly.
1:11:27 CPEC is not investment or aid but commercial loans.
It is instrument to buy Pakistan.
The lady mentioned that our country lacks pride unlike what Germany stands for. Pakistan prides itself in being champion of "Islam".
At the end they will say inshallah and everything will be buried under the religion.
Thank you Jinnah bhaiya... Every Indiawala is grateful 🙏! One economy soon to be the 3rd largest in the world, the other enjoys a stellar 46th ranked position. Well done Pakistan, what tremendous success 👏🇮🇳
I am happy to note that the attendance has improved very much. Kindly keep it up. Very good discussion.
قیصر بنگالی صاحب اپ کا علم تجزیہ اور تجاویز۔ بہت اچھا اور اور زمینی حقاءق کے مطابق مثبت ۔ بجلی اور IPP کے مساءل کا حل کیا ہے شکر ہے حکومت کو ہوش اگیا کہ ریل سٹیٹ میں سرمایہ کاری پیداواری نہیں ہے
Jinnah did a great job.. dividing muslims into 3 countries.. great blessings for the hindus to prosper.. he should actually be quaid e azam for India than for Pakistan!!
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True.... I also believe Jinnah is the biggest freedom fighter of India
You are wrong my friend. Jinnah gave them 2 pure Islamic states where Hindus were finished and one semi-Islamic IND where Hindus are disappearing (Kashmir, WB, Kerala etc) slowly.
Everyone is knowing problems and having solutions too, BUT ......
Spot on
Thank you Prof Hoodhboy for your concluding remarks about the need of unity among our communities.
When guest speaker started to speak about army expenditure... organizer immediately changed the topic.
otherwise Blackhole ko Paj Army blackhole may gayab kar degi.
India vs Pakistan infrastructure is not comparable
Pakistan railways have 100 daily trains for 25 Cr population.
Indian Railway runs daily:
Freight Trains: 7,650
Passenger Trains: 13,350
India is Planning to Invest 40 trillion dollar on Infrastructure by 2050 to achieve a GDP of 40 trillion dollar 💰
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The Railways example is pertinent.
In 14 days, there are 8 derailment lol😅
@@rakadus take whatever example you need Pakistan is atleast 20 years behind at their best thing and 50yrs behind at their worst.
We should feel ashamed even to think of competing with Pakistan. Our competition is with China , Japan, Germany , France , UK and USA.
You are our real hero my dear Dr.Pervaiz Hoodbhoy I slute you that you have etablished such a nice forum "The Black Hole"
Dr Pervez hoodbhoy can you explain who made pakistan slave from which they took Independence? 🤔 🙄 Was there any pakistan before 1947 if not how you can have a independence day? 🤔 🙄
Pakistan should stop worrying about all things, and should leave everything in Allah's hands and pray 5 times a day for miracles.
1. Pervez is the only one who commented the obsession on annexing Kashmir, no one else 🤷🏻♂️
Pakistan has 2 choices:
2. A 1947 choice, despite being created with a weak sense of identity except, cannot live with Hindus/Congress/India, economy and prosperity BOOMED till ….
3. 1971 and later choice: obsession with being ‘Paak’, religious fervor, terrorism, dismembering brother-land, and TANKing economy.
Pakistan will be Balkanized. It’s not the question of If but the question of when.
As always very enlightened discussion with the two greats of their fields and thanks a lot for bringing back Dr.Tariq Banori 👍
Hope pakistan will not reach 80
Inshallaha it will not happen .
At the end of this program please give names of some anti depressants for Pakistanis
Gulam qoum ko aadat hai,Vo bijli bill ka antidepressant le Chuke hai 80% qoum behosh ho Chuki hai bijli bill Se.
ھم اپنے مقروض ھونے پر مغرور ھیں۔۔اور غرور ھمیشہ زوال میں ھوتا ھے۔۔۔۔لیکن اپ نے کھڑے پانی میں پتھر پھینکا ھے۔۔جزاک اللہ۔۔۔۔۔۔
What a fantastic discussion.
We must lament Musharraf's era who initiated the university degree factories.
Sadly, none of the panel was bold enough to mention the Mullah driven hijacking of our politics and social life and our reliance on the "InshAllah" mindset.
Economic development is directly proportional to population i.e productivity & resources are the keys to a robust economic progress. Innovation, industry and technological changes are mandatory in the process of economic progress of Pakistan.
To sum this video up! 🎉❤
The time for course correction has been there for long. An important question to be asked is, WHO will do the course correction?
Great subject .Appreciated from India.
Not a single question asked related to the Topic.
Wao what a hypocrisy. Congratulations on Arshad Nadeem for Olympics gold medal but did not even recognize minorities who won gold in Olympics for Pakistan.
Good discussion.But nobody wants to utter a single word about the real problem.And they will never utter in future also.Even these scholars know this. Women empowerment.Controlling Birth rate.Is it possible in your Society deeply engulfed in Religious Extremism.
For past 77 years pakistan could not do course correction. Now they are day dreaming of course correction. Good luck for dependance on IMF,China, Saudi Arabia, U.S.A. , etc .
The people like you who ruin this country having no hopes
Kudos to TBH for choosing a very relevant topic . We the people of this part of Asia are inherently talented & thinkers. We are good with both our hands( artisans , weavers, builders, jewellers etc) and brains ( mathematicians, astronomers, philosophers, businesses etc) . If we discard our present colonial education system & replace it with “skill development oriented education “ ( like electricians, carpentry, welding, nursing, hospitality, plumbing etc) to be imparted to our young population , then there will be a great demand for them anywhere in the world
1.38.19 A German is defined by their language, food, clothing in short there way of living, can woman define what is the definition of Pakistan, and how different it is different from other country specially HINDU 🕉️ STAN.?🤔 🙄 Please remember a country is defined by its people and it's culture which people follow.
This platform leads pakistan's core problems and spread enlightening youth ❤
Pervez sahab always makes everyone to think and realize where we are . He is on a mission to distribute vision , a great and daunting job indeed, considering the conditions in Pakistan. Looking at India , institutions, teaching communities, students, teachers and parents have done so well ., we can really feel proud of our successive governments irrespective of political parties heading it . Yes builders and real estate people are don’t enjoy high reputation but some of the corporate houses in this sector have done a marvellous contributions to economy . Unlike Pakistan it hasn’t killed other industries . Private educational institute did earned a fortune but at least 30 to 40 % of them acquired a reputed status and academic excellence , contributing in the process greatly to national economy. Freedom and fair opportunities to all is the most important precondition for equitable development, unfortunately it doesn’t exist in Pakistan . i
In the initial period people were discouraged to go abroad by restricting availability of foreign exchange. People could take at the rate of $8 per day only which was quite unworkable. On the other hand individuals were encouraged to abroad for education. Today they have become a great asset for the nation. Modi ji takes pride in participating in activities without acknowledging the contribution of Pt Nehru / Indira Gandhi who created institutions like BARC and ISRO.
Happy independence day to all my friends in Pakistan.....
1. The Chinese power plants are more expensive than equivalent plants built elsewhere
2. "As of January 31, 2024, Pakistan's total installed power generation capacity was 46,035 megawatts (MW)" (i.e., 46 GW).
Wiki says: "As of 30 September 2024, the installed capacity is around 453 GW. Gujarat (55 GW) leads in power generation capacity, followed by Maharashtra (48 GW) and Rajasthan (43 GW)."
Pakistan's population is at least 238 million. Gujarat is 61 million, Maharashtra 127 million, Rajasthan 82 million.
So it would seem the industrial use of electricity in Pakistan is relatively low, assuming that household and agricultural consumption of electricity per capita is about the same.
❤❤bohat khoob
The time for course correction was 45 years ago, when it became obvious to have a secular scientific society that would lead to wealth, health and success. However, better late than never.
First driver for the economic growth in developing countries like India, Bangladesh and Pakistan must be conversion of labor into money. this is especially so for export growth. If countries build infrastructure too early without economic growth, then the cost of infrastructure can not be serviced. This is what has happened in Pakistan. When your productive age labor is uneducated and unskilled (except in jihad), you can not grow economy just because you have infrastructure. In fact the infrastructure ends up becoming a white elephant. India started investing in infrastructure after many years of sustained growth above 7%.
Good discussion. Received so many informative information... It is must in Pakistan to implement the 'Family Planning'....
This Pervez is saying a lot but without any substance. A great scientist indeed.
How can we know before that what is the topic at black hole. And can anyone attend or are there any prerequisites for joining the discussion in Islamabad
Aaj bhi aapke retired/serving senior diplomates, senior officers, bureacrats, lawyers professors, political leaders and padhe-likhe old people, common pakistani ko America/kafir/ yahudi/hindu/India hate ka churan youtube and road mai chalte-chalte roj de rahe hai. Enko ye lagta hai ki society mai apni importance ya space banane ke liye ye jaroori hai.
This is why Pakistan is standing at this stage today.
Course corrections? Where is the course to correct in the first place?
Same diagnosis of economy and same list of steps to rectify the same for the LAST SOO MANY YEARS !!
Viva intolerance , you can’t have a negative heart and mind and expect a positive result
Sub Kuch ha lekin musalman Nahi ha, it doesn't matter as it is his choice,. He is a very learned person..
4:09 ❤❤❤ absolutely right
Nation is created on the basis of people’s sacrifice and we must appreciate the efforts put in by the governments in the beginning at the cost of popular sentiments. Not sure if people remember the two and a half years of emergency, Indira Gandhi introduced many reforms including forced population control, she was supported by great social workers including Vinoba Bhave.
NÒBODY TALKS ABOUT OVER POPULATION.
Actually India kept a very high rate of tax in the first thirty years of independence. On higher incomes the rate was as high as 90%. Though BJP continue to criticise Nehru and Indira Gandhi but that was necessary to put the country on the road to growth. India introduced land reforms was another important reform that Congress introduced otherwise country could not have grown at the rate it is doing now.
ظفر صاحب نے بہت اچھی نشاندہی کی ہے۔
Setting up free education was the first step Congress took and refused to demand weapons from west though there was always a risk from the neighbors including Pakistan and China.
अल्लाह रहम करे ।
Good Analysis
Same questions and sae answers. Doing video and expecting Pakistan develpw😍
Pakistan derailed from secular line.i appreciate the intellectuals in the meeting. No need 1000 debates. Re union with Bharat is only solution to all ills being faced by pak.
A serving army General should have been invited. Nothing happens without their permission. All the participants are wasting their time and the audience time.
Population control in Pakistan is certainly a global problem and need be allocated significant resources by the UNO and their other bodies.
1.Population will be 45 cr by 2050.
2. Pakistan’s literacy rate is only around 62 % and going down.
3. Total outstanding public debt is Rs 225 Billion+
4. Defense spending is high 2% of GDP.
5. Elite rarely pays taxes.
6. Sham democracy
7. 20% inflation
No actions... Only discussions in Pakistan... 78 years passed 😂 how many more years?
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Time has passed nobody can resolve the issues resultantly lost our sovereign
Every Pakistani speck and follows the truth
Super vlog
Even current regime of BJP has gone through unpopular decisions when Modi Ji introduced many unpopular reforms. Society could grow only when the government takes unpopular decisions.
You will progress when you come out from the spell of religion and stop hating India / Hindus.
Hate does not bring progress but regress.
Such discussions however they may be useful are not going to work till soch , niyat of pak people aur rulers is changed. Besides lawlessness , blasphemy laws , jahil and kattar ideology , rampant corruption , siphoning of state funds and no accountability and poor legal system coupled with military dominance and lack of seriousness in welfare state are the factors which create hurdles in economic development.
Kindly call Mr. Nazam Sethi in black hole stage.....
بلیک ہول ایک عمدہ فورم جہاں پر مغز گفتگو ہوتی ہے، آج کی گفتگو کے میزبان اور مہمان بہت ہی معتمد سمجھے جانے والے افراد ہیں، لیکن آج کی گفتگو بہت سطحی سے محسوس ہوئی کوئ بنیادی وجوہات کی نشاندہی کہ شدید کمی محسوس ہوئ، عام فہم افراد کی گفتگو کا احساس ہوا، یہاں یہ سوال پیدا ہوتا ہے کہ کیا ہمارے دانشور بھی انحطاط کا شکار ہیں؟
Watching from India.
پرویز صاحب اپ کی اچھاءی ہے ہے لہ اپ خوش ہوکر بات کرتے ہیں
Both experts do not understand the basic issues or do not talk about it deliberately. Nehru deliberately took the risk of not spending much on the defence despite the war we started with Pakistan. On the other hand he extended the hand of friendship to Pakistan by helping sign a supportive water sharing agreement with Pakistan. Vinoba Bhave worked without any personal gains and made land owners to part with their lands and finally Indira Gandhi brought land ceiling act to ensure land distribution more equitable.
No comments and discussions on basic cause of problems
1 social justice
2 modern mon religious education
3 radical society
3 radical education
5 mulla military alliance
And so on
Well Try Professors...
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You need to seed your thoughts to Pakistani Policy Makers.
You know that
Germination of such efforts are NOT Guaranteed.
Still You Must Try...
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Good luck.
The fact that 90% of comments are coming from Indians speaks volume of how much obsessed Indians are with Pakistan,
First Independence for Pakistani Muslims was also from the British and also from Hindu Majority India since in Hindu majority Muslims right could never have been protected. We now see that a ruling party in India is impaired by Savarkar's extremist Hindu Idealogy.
Second yes Pakistan has fair share of problems but it does not mean that partition was a wrong decision, the reason is that within India, there are chants of Hindutva ideology to be prevailed all across India
the reason 90% traffic coming from India is because almost everyone has access to Internet here, and let me tell you India population is 141.75 crore and 46% i.e 46% of 141.72 i.e 651.79 crores people are having internet here.
now compare that to the number of view and comments, its soo tiny, so your point that Indian are obsessed with Pakistan, no baby, only people who are affected with partition talks about Pakistan , because it was once their homeland
It is also fact that you people can't look at anything without the lens of religion there is no mass killings of minorites and their population decrease in India infact it is the opposite. India is prospering while Pakistan is in drawn
We indians are infact happy that you fucked up people are not in our country. Better learn from your mistake and improve your self. Your obssession with religion is the root cause of all your problems
Still the number of Muslims is more in India than in Pakistan and that % is on a increase since 1947 in India. How do you explain that? Come for yourself and see what Muslims rights are not protected in India. Waqf board is the 2nd largest land holder in India. Mosques are not controlled by Govt, while most Hindu religious places of worship are controlled by Govt (I personally know Muslims in the Endowments department (department that controls temples). Muslims have a personal civil law and they don't have to follow the Indian law. Where on earth do they have these privileges.
I agree, partition is definitely not a wrong decision. We are happy about it. Thanks for Jinnah. Hindus would have been overpowered if another 500 million Muslims were living together with Hindus. It's a known fact that the religious minorities are diminishing by an exponential rate in both Pakistan and Bangladesh. Forget Hindus, your own Muslim brethren of Shia and Ahmadi sect do not feel safe in Pakistan.
Or how indifferent Pakistanis about their own problems. !
Yes Bangladeshis also freed themselves from hindutva 😂
Pakistan has to help both Kashmir and Palestine get freedom from tyrants . Inshallah Pakistan will endure
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If wishes were horses, beggars would ride!!
Kashmir banega Pakistan😂aur Pakistan banega Madina ki Riyasat🤔.Where Allaha rule will be established.God Bless Us all.🎉🎉
I have seen videos on the trucks modifications, fans production, autos fabrication in Pakistan, it has got great talent. But it is not channelled correctly. Poor governance is the reason. At least Pak can import skds and assemble automobiles like bikes etc.
Why Pakistan have same kind of discussion every year??
A depressing tale, once again! Some thoughts on Pakistan Creation Day -- A doctrine for de-linking
De-link religion from Pakistan Constitution
De-link foreign policy from ummah -- and Ghazwa-e-Hind
De-link religion from education: madrasas perpetuates a medieval world view not fit for today’s purpose De link foreign policy of hate, murderous mischief and greed towards India
De-link borrowing from consumption: Borrowing for Development
De-link the Army from state politics - and Army’s voracious appetite for nation’s resources
De-link Judiciary independent from the Army and Blasphemy laws
De-link Endemic corruption as a way of life
Massive programme of upskilling - enterprise, creativity
De-link too much Islam from daily public (not private) lives. Does Allah need us to interrupt productive engagement with work/enterprise/creativity - five times every day?
Pakistan & her aawaam seem to be sliding deeper and deeper into a hole of miseries, sufferings, international indignities - and above all in to heart-breaking hopelessness.
Ignorance among the masses is frightening
Calibrating the right dosage & mix of Islam for the challenges of the modern world: 1947 was trapped in different millennia and is a fading memory.
Good scholars but bad debate without data chart or facts to make it Historical time line for future reference
Pak need to stop aggressive measures against india
Pakistan has been correcting courses every 10 years more or less with the Faujis real arbiters of power.
So one more course correction!
77th founders day
1:42:22 same goes for Japan
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Bhutto critic speaks again nationalisation saved the Pakistan from defaulting as it facilitated enormous increase in revenue utitility revenues and wage and lanor relationship boosting production cawasjee rip and cm lateef were zias main argument against Bhutto so mr hoodbhai if you want to argue against nationalisation pls bring some factual data for shipping and beco before and after yes Pakistan was progressed with 22 families but it brpught unrest among the working classes non changing wages these 22 families laundered money abroad squeezed sweat and blood of workers intelectuals midle class had to migrate brain drain happened these pirate enterprenuers have flourished in every dictator pre bhutto and after bhutto now the control every string of governance
great
Yes Pakistan has not achieved that much in 77 yrs when we compare india and Pakistan and india and china then india has achieved nothing when it comes to china. Given the liberalisation congress has given the perfect path to bjp to tread smoothly otherwise it would've been very difficult for bjp