Somebody very recently pointed out that we are twenty years on from the 2005 relaunch now, and pointed out the contrast between 1963-1983, and all those different Producers, script editors, different styles and tones brought into the series, and that contrast between the original BBC in-house television culture, and what we have had since 2005, certainly does make you think a lot. If you were to pinpoint the success and appeal of the original BBC series one clear reason is that regular turnover in Producers and backroom staff. Each Producer had a different attitude, a different experience, and were often being influenced by what was going on around them in the television world. Since 2005 by contrast the style and treatment has been more uniform, there isn't a lot of difference between the style of 2005 and what we see today. And it does all feel stale today as a result. It does need a completely fresh Production team I agree. Somebody fresh and keen with ideas. But maybe as well the series needs to become ignorant of its past again, just exist in the moment instead. I wonder if today, the BBC have allowed it to become too commercial, and have been allowing all 13-plus Doctors to 'exist', when really it needs to be _one_ - the Doctor of today.
You do have to wonder at how much Studio-space costs in real terms... if the BBC/Disney partnership paid for Doctor Who's relaunch then that money paid for the studio and for the Tardis set. But in a situation where that budget has now been spent, and the partnership ended, who then pays for the Studio-space, and maintenance of the set and Props? If the show is in a Limbo at the moment, with no set agreement as yet on what the future of it will be, then it may be that maintaining a set that was a symbol of the Disney/BBC relaunch isn't going to be desireable. Disney exiting means the end of that era effectively. So with no Budget agreed for any third series, no shooting commission agreed as yet, and no idea whatsoever on where the series stands with the BBC, you can see why Badwolf's bottom-line would come into play, and they are focusing on other potential productions instead. I am not sure what the BBC's attitude is to the show, it might be they like the style and the content, but the audience reception and financial demands are attracting the attention of the money-men. And in all of this is Russell Davies, with his ego dented by the lack of clear success with the series, and I just wonder if he will see the signs and choose to walk away at this point. His reputation and his pride come before his fandom...
RTD2 has made his feelings clear when it comes to the fans. Especially those who dare to point out his failings, something no one in the Industry has the backbone to do
@@type40doctorwho to dare critique RTD? It's high time someone deflated his over inflated ego and brought him back down to Earth. His return has tanked the show. Was this intentional?? After all, he brought the show back in 2005 maybe he thinks it's his duty to bring it to an end?? May explain why he was in such a hurry to write and film two seasons back to back?? I think he knew it wouldn't be welcomed but he just had to have a platform for voicing his Activism. He admitted in an interview recently and I'm paraphrasing here but he said something along the lines saying, that no Executive would dare criticise him. But as with writing any script, the Writer not only tells the story through a central character for example, but may inject something that underpins the story - perhaps it's something the Writer feels strongly about and wants to share by skillfully interweaving this message, subtly and tastefully through out the script so long as it doesn't overpower or distract from the central story. No one wants to watch a TV series or a Film, where the focal point is a "message" swamping and masking the main story. People want to be entertained first and foremost as a form of escapism and not a lecture.
It’s great that your doing another livestream. I think with the state of Doctor Who I liked the new season even though it was a bit hit and miss with some eps. I think certainly it’s still a success in the top 5 at Christmas, it makes a lot of money for the BBC, and the audience appreciation figures were between 77-81 and that’s not to bad for a reboot of a show that’s been going for 20 years but creatively there’s still nothing like it on British TV but I feel like there’s something lacking and I don’t know what it is. Dan have you got the steelbook of Ncuti’s first series If so what’s it like?
RTD himself doesn't have one with "Doctor Who". He's an Executive on Whoniverse with Bad Wolf Studios. it's open ended. but Bad Wolf has DW for another 18 months.
It is in third place in my top 3 my least favourite seasons, from the origina ru l. It has two fantastic stories, but my goodness it has some right clunkers. 2nd is Season 21. 1st is Season 24.
Somebody very recently pointed out that we are twenty years on from the 2005 relaunch now, and pointed out the contrast between 1963-1983, and all those different Producers, script editors, different styles and tones brought into the series, and that contrast between the original BBC in-house television culture, and what we have had since 2005, certainly does make you think a lot.
If you were to pinpoint the success and appeal of the original BBC series one clear reason is that regular turnover in Producers and backroom staff. Each Producer had a different attitude, a different experience, and were often being influenced by what was going on around them in the television world. Since 2005 by contrast the style and treatment has been more uniform, there isn't a lot of difference between the style of 2005 and what we see today. And it does all feel stale today as a result.
It does need a completely fresh Production team I agree. Somebody fresh and keen with ideas. But maybe as well the series needs to become ignorant of its past again, just exist in the moment instead. I wonder if today, the BBC have allowed it to become too commercial, and have been allowing all 13-plus Doctors to 'exist', when really it needs to be _one_ - the Doctor of today.
You're correct - I think it was me that pointed that out. I find it quite depressing to see the LACK of change over the past 20 years.
I keep coming back to think on this point, since you brought it up Simon.
Curiouser and curiouser...
There's clearly lots that's gone on!
that's what I was thinking!
You do have to wonder at how much Studio-space costs in real terms... if the BBC/Disney partnership paid for Doctor Who's relaunch then that money paid for the studio and for the Tardis set. But in a situation where that budget has now been spent, and the partnership ended, who then pays for the Studio-space, and maintenance of the set and Props?
If the show is in a Limbo at the moment, with no set agreement as yet on what the future of it will be, then it may be that maintaining a set that was a symbol of the Disney/BBC relaunch isn't going to be desireable. Disney exiting means the end of that era effectively. So with no Budget agreed for any third series, no shooting commission agreed as yet, and no idea whatsoever on where the series stands with the BBC, you can see why Badwolf's bottom-line would come into play, and they are focusing on other potential productions instead.
I am not sure what the BBC's attitude is to the show, it might be they like the style and the content, but the audience reception and financial demands are attracting the attention of the money-men. And in all of this is Russell Davies, with his ego dented by the lack of clear success with the series, and I just wonder if he will see the signs and choose to walk away at this point. His reputation and his pride come before his fandom...
RTD2 has made his feelings clear when it comes to the fans. Especially those who dare to point out his failings, something no one in the Industry has the backbone to do
"back bone"... or brass neck and blind stupidity?
@@type40doctorwho to dare critique RTD? It's high time someone deflated his over inflated ego and brought him back down to Earth.
His return has tanked the show. Was this intentional?? After all, he brought the show back in 2005 maybe he thinks it's his duty to bring it to an end?? May explain why he was in such a hurry to write and film two seasons back to back??
I think he knew it wouldn't be welcomed but he just had to have a platform for voicing his Activism.
He admitted in an interview recently and I'm paraphrasing here but he said something along the lines saying, that no Executive would dare criticise him.
But as with writing any script, the Writer not only tells the story through a central character for example, but may inject something that underpins the story - perhaps it's something the Writer feels strongly about and wants to share by skillfully interweaving this message, subtly and tastefully through out the script so long as it doesn't overpower or distract from the central story.
No one wants to watch a TV series or a Film, where the focal point is a "message" swamping and masking the main story. People want to be entertained first and foremost as a form of escapism and not a lecture.
It’s great that your doing another livestream. I think with the state of Doctor Who I liked the new season even though it was a bit hit and miss with some eps. I think certainly it’s still a success in the top 5 at Christmas, it makes a lot of money for the BBC, and the audience appreciation figures were between 77-81 and that’s not to bad for a reboot of a show that’s been going for 20 years but creatively there’s still nothing like it on British TV but I feel like there’s something lacking and I don’t know what it is. Dan have you got the steelbook of Ncuti’s first series If so what’s it like?
No, I'm not really a steel book guy at the best of times. I haven't bought any edition of the Gatwa era.
If anyone reading this has bought the steelbook? Come and tell us about it or head over to the Type 40 facebook group and share there?
QUESTION: How much longer is RTD's contract for Doctor Who ?
RTD himself doesn't have one with "Doctor Who". He's an Executive on Whoniverse with Bad Wolf Studios. it's open ended. but Bad Wolf has DW for another 18 months.
You're right, Dan - Season 17. Some great stories, but the worst overall. No doubt.
That question really put me on the spot Simon! And I hated saying it, as I am very fond of the season.
It is in third place in my top 3 my least favourite seasons, from the origina ru l. It has two fantastic stories, but my goodness it has some right clunkers.
2nd is Season 21.
1st is Season 24.
@@David_Milling I agree about Season 24 - shocking. But Season 21 is in my top 10 favourites!
@@simonhorton7276 I meant season 22. Fat finger syndrome. I love seasons 21
@@David_Milling Yep, I'd agree on S22!