Nice work Jordan. Initially, I was a little disappointed at all the nitpicking. But then I realized that it was a good thing. It meant that there were no serious issues to discuss. Plus, if the Lucid software engineers see this video, they might incorporate some of your nitpicks/suggestions in future upgrades.
If you hear all the nitpicks you understand the worst case scenario for how you're going to perceive the car. Personally, none of that stuff matters to me, but if you're that type of person it's nice to know what you're getting into ahead of time. You're not going to pick all this up on the test drive.
Thanks for the in-depth review and I wish more reviewers would follow this example. I do own a 2024 Lucid Air Pure and it has been a great road car. I have owned a 2015 Tesla Model S and 2022 Model Y. The 2015 Model S definitely had some minor software issues and I had to reboot it fairly often. The Model Y was outstanding. I would agree that The Lucid software is not as mature as the latest Tesla software but I do get OTS updates regularly. So fa I am happy with the software but I do know Mr. Rawlinson has also recently stated that the software is not where it should be and has revealed many updates they plan to bring forward this year. I do not have the Dream Drive Pro but the Premium works well and I love the true 3D view when backing up or parking. I feel that the Adaptive Cruise is smoother than with the Model Y and accelerates and brakes more smoothly. I also love the UI in the Lucid. It is simple but intuitive and does not force you to always go to the screen; for example it has kept the turn signal & drive stalk, and has separate volume & climate controls. I also agree that simple hand adjustable air vents are great. Sometimes a true tactile feel is just better. The sound system is very good but not great but then again I listen to a lot of books on tape & podcasts as well as music so a super premium system is not my highest priority. Best of all it has a quiet ride and super efficient. It has a smaller battery (84 kWh) than the Y but with 420 miles of EPA range. The App can be slow at times but certainly not a deal breaker for those considering the Lucid. Over time, I feel that the App and software will catch up to the rest of the car and make for a truly outstanding EV...perhaps the new Gravity out this year will showcase how everything has improved. Considering that the Lucid Air is only about 3 full years old, I think they have done a remarkable job. For those interested in the latest from Lucid, I would suggest seeing the latest Technology & Manufacturing event that is now on Lucid's UA-cam channel. Their passion for the product really comes through. Thanks again for the review.
Yes, the app is too slow and far more limited than Tesla's. As far as the screens, some of it's a lot better than Tesla's and some needs catching up. They addressed a few pet peeves with this update, such as Homelink when backing out of the garage. But that's also one that Tesla took the better part of a decade to get right. I haven't had much need to reboot the Lucid, or any Tesla all that often, with the exception of the Model 3 in 2017. The big difference I see in software is approach. Tesla does things bit by bit, getting things working somewhat and then refining them. I've seen Tesla's lane change go from not existing to working awkwardly in HW1 to not being there in HW2 to working awkwardly to working well with Autopilot, to working awkwardly with FSD to working well. Lucid got it right the first time with this release in terms of smoothness, and is already smoother than Tesla. They are hesitant to change lanes in close gaps so far. I saw Tesla's adaptive cruise control go from choppy, dangerous and unreliable to the point that even in HW1 it works better than in most new cars on the road. Lucid's wasn't perfect when first released, but quite good. At some point around the end of last year (I don't remember which update) it became excellent, and made me glad that I didn't have to relive Tesia's growing process from "it works, but drives like a teenager" on up. Ironically, when Tesla first released TACC, it was not called beta. FSD lost the beta tag, but Autopilot on HW1 is still called beta, despite outperforming what a lot of new car makers call production software.
Don’t worry about the video length. I would’ve watched more. I’m glad there’s at least one outlet that provides time-no-object, all-encompassing coverage of cars.
In either the Morgan Stanley investor call or the Tech & Manufacturing presentation (I can't remember which one as they were just days apart) Peter admitted that their software was behind the curve and that it needed to be a key strength of the Lucid experience. He also said that they put new leaders in place for the software team, so we'll have to see what comes out of that. They are designing for Gravity and then back-porting some features to Air, so I have high expectations for Gravity when it finally cones out. They screen layout and design are improved in Gravity so some of these screen real estate issues should go away. 🤞 Thanks for the deep dive.
Thank you for the review. Been waiting for an extensive review of the software. I’m one of the many current Tesla Model S owners considering a switch to Lucid and really wanted to know how much had improved with the updated MCU. Audio is really important to me and was not happy to hear it hasn’t really improved. Lucid seems to be going for more of a neutral sound. Wouldn’t be surprised if there’s no integrated sub at all which would explain the lack of low end. Regarding the “single” option settings menu, it’s likely they will add additional settings functionality in the future which is why they chose to keep it separate. Not surprised at the lack of native Apple Music app but could see that coming in a future update. Slow wake times could be explained if they’re not taking advantage of BT LE capability in modern smart phones but that also can be updated OTA. Overall it’s easy to see where Lucid acknowledge some missteps with interior design by looking at what is changing in the Gravity, landscape vs portrait screen for example. Definitely looking forward to deep dive of its UI once the SUV hits the market.
Very good catch about the multi-tiuch not working on certain things! I never would have caught that, but for those who often have a passenger, that could be a very annoying thing. Hopefully a software update will address that.
I just confirmed with my local service guy that older Lucid Air sedans can be upgraded to the new faster system board. He's looking up the details for me and I hope to get it soon. Not that there is anything really wrong with the older board, but I want to be sure to be compatible with future updates. I agree that they need charge derating option. That is especially useful when using Lucid's EVSE to harvest power from a potentially sketchy outlet, a dryer plug (using adapter), or a non-dedicated 115V outlet when travelling in a remote location (insert pic of an Ozark cabin here). Key does frunk and trunk. Lucid works to avoid clutter on displays. Most functions have several ways to reach. They want you to be able to get in the car and drive w/o menu diving. Basic seat controls are on the seat, mirror and glovebox on the home page. You can set the air w/o any menu at all. Screens let you deep dive when you're ready. Consider the target market, premium Euro ICE drivers.
Early Air GT owner. F-ing love this car. Best part is how it drives. Lucid has w/o a doubt the best "behind the curtain" technology (drive units, drive calibration, efficiency, suspension tuning, TC/SC/ABS. Regen blending & brake feel. The screens/infotainment are nice, but just trinkets. The ride and drive are what these cars are all about.
Great video - love the detail. In the mobile app I was particularly impressed with the “range finder” capability. Would love to see that come to Tesla as well.
Support for next-generation CarPlay to take over all of the screens in the car (it's possible now without losing any functionality), Phone Key support for the Wallet app, proper interactive home screen widgets support, iOS 18 control center toggle support. There are so many things that Lucid can improve on the smartphone side alone that would make this experience better.
yes, also an Air Touring owner. On the back of the key fob, there is a 'morse code' menu of how long to click/press to perform different options (i.e. dot = short click; dash = long click). The fob shows: unlock (dot), lock (dot dot), and open the trunk (dash). While not printed on the fob, try "dot dash"... One thing I haven't seen anyone review are the 'hidden' items, such as swiping the cabin lights to turn on/off. Also several warnings or functions that happen in unique situation (such as leaving the trunk or frunk open for too long), or waking up the car by pressing the door handles.
Trip: it would be great to see time! | When you get the Pure please test it under heat conditions, my compressor is so loud all the time during the summer even when not fast charging. The app needs to be overhauled, opening the app shouldn't wake the vehicle automatically it sometimes works and sometimes does not and sometimes I am just wanting to look at some information and don't need the car awake for. These wishes being mentioned the car is solid and fantastic to drive.
Well done Jordan. The four screen setup is somewhat intimidating. Lucid has made some great cars. This vehicle really looks so good. I understand your review is that the software is not industry leading. The question is whether it is good enough now or you believe Lucid will improve it substantially with OTA updates? Keep up the good work.
Software control vent control is so much batter than the manual as you can program them to turn on if the car detects a person in any one seat. Advantages are less energy used to blow air improving energy overall efficiency and more air for the fewer passengers. Thoughts?
Lucid is growing just as The Model S was when it first came on the market, go back in look at the first Model S features and see where they came from to the point they are today. I'm banking on Lucid to get way better as time moves on.
I had that happen with Alexa a lot, largely because you can't talk about Alexa without Alexa wanting to answer you. It's too early to say whether I'll have that problem with "Hey Lucid." Hopefully I won't, but it's not likely to have to listen to me talk for 50 minutes straight. Not that there's anything wrong with doing that in a video of course.
I really hope to be able to afford one some day. But NOT being able to lower charging speed is shocking. How could such expensive car not have this feature? Hopefully they will add it over OTA soon.
Do you meal lower the amp draw? The Lucid home charger which is only $200 after the promotion does this. You can set the dip switches to whatever current draw your supply can handle
@@davidditzler2704 So the charger your saying Is 1,200 dollars????? And yes we know you can set your breaker amperage on the charger just like Tesla but with a Tesla you can change amps the car draws In the app and the car
@@blessguy5330 there is a $1,000 charging credit which makes it $200. Or if you have referral credit you can buy it from the Lucid store with that and it will cost you nothing.
@@davidditzler2704 almost all chargers have these function in them - but it's very cumbersome to use. With Tesla you can change it on the fly - i use it DAILY. Countless times I've been slow charing and suddenly I get phonecall/decide I must go. Literally 3 clicks away from cracking up from 3kW to 11kW. If memory serves me right - Lucid has 22kW onboard AC. It would be AMAZING to be able charge that fast at home.
Does it have Apple shortcuts support? (Like tesla) Does apple maps or google maps show state of charge? (Like mach-e) how reliable is the phone as a key? Does it use Apple wallet (like rivian or hyundai) another example of lane keeping off of mapped highways is Hyundai and ford ( and Hyundai does not require cruise control) Does the app work off cellular network (WiFi only) it’s important for when the cell tech eventually goes away ( see what happened to teslas when edge went away) Would rather these be longer and more detailed. Thanks for giving us the tour!
You love the air and you are critical of it, but would you buy it? I own a 2004 Lexus 460 and I would like to modernize. In many ways this car seems like a good replacement, but I love the luxury and comfort of my old car, so I’m a bit hesitant. Should I jump in and buy a lucid air?
You're being silly 😜. The problem is technical... if two touches are registered as one gesture the screen cannot then also register it as two separate touches -- it just doesn't work that way -- unless they have really, really specialized touch screen software and hardware.
It's not upside down. It's with the button facing toward the hand, which is the normal way. The face flips so that it can be worn on either wrist. Apple put the button off center so it looks wrong, but that's on Apple. Sometimes, right handed people don't think things through and that's probably why Apple screwed up.
It works as a key, both in terms of locking and unlocking without taking it out of the pocket, and in terms of being able to lock or unlock remotely. It doesn't let people remote enable driving. It also doesn't work with NFC on the car pillar the way the Tesla app does (I think it's Android only) but Lucid also has card keys for backup use.
That’s on the ABnB host, the installer should have configured the Tesla Wall Connector to operate at 24A. That signals to the car the maximum power available
The Alexa Skill for Echo Devices is now useless, not that those things worked well in the past. Since it's under a menu item called VOICE ASSISTANTS, Lucid could add Hey Lucid to that menu, leave Alexa for cars that still haven't had the update and not have to worry about a different app version for different software levels. Somebody could have a Lucid with the upgrade and one without it. For now, there's way too little documented about Hey Lucid, and it would be nice to see that in the app.
Having multi touch support doesn't mean the screen is capable of being operated by 2 people at once. It would need to detect that the finger touch points be belonging to 2 different hands of 2 different people 🙂
It's the "passive lock temporarily unavailable" message that he was talking about. I never saw it until the 2.4 update and don't know why I did. Once the app woke the car up, the message went away.
alright Jordan. I'm 15mins and 30secs in and all I heard are annoying nit picks from you. But I'll keep watching because you are actually a good and fair reviewer, just incredibly whiny. letting you know because you asked for it. edit: I finished the vid and I forgive you for being incredibly nit picky. We all want Lucid to be better and the best. Thanks for the vid!
A wonderful car made unaffordable on LI, New York. I wanted to buy a Touring. Presently pay $1860/yr for my 20 Model 3 Performance. My insurance company wouldn’t insure the Lucid. Got estimates between $6000/yr from GEICO to $11,000 from others. I cancelled my order.
Mine is more than for a Tesla, but nowhere near where your quotes are. I have no idea why it's so expensive where you are, what your driving record is or anything else, but that's not what I've been seeing in general.
Yes, and that's a good thing. It used to be that all cars were a work in progress in a sense, but it meant trading in for a later model year to get new features. Tesla changed that, but did so by releasing features before they were ready for prime time, and then refining them over time. So far, Lucid has been more cautious with updates, but has things work better off the bat when added with an update, such as lane changes in this new release. Regardless, having a car that does more now than when I got it is nice. And having the hardware there so that future updates can fix some of these issues is key. Some of the things that Tesla got wrong (IMO) can't be fixed with just software updates.
Im surprised they would create their own system i would think there is a company that supplies automakers. How many do they roll out these days? Just checked the stock price... sh .. i bought at 20. Just good that it was only $500
It's getting to the point where EV Drivers want eveerrything soooo convenient and easy. 😂 Next you know they will Want a porta potty under the driver seat to make taking a DUMP easier!
Lucid GT owner here. Some nitpicking on complete non issues. Many are literally just made up problems. I mean the derate thing is so dumb. The car is so good they’re just making up crap at this point. I’ve never de rated my Tesla while charging. The OTA’s have been incredible and there are a ton more coming by the end of the year. This company really has an early Tesla feel right now. Just getting things done and no politics. It’s the best EV on the market. When you own one you’ll know.
I de-rate AC charging all the time, many hotel charges have idle fees so I slow the charging a bit so I don’t get crazy high overnight fees. Also de-rate charging to avoid stressing components, many outlets are not properly rated for high continuous loads or just output more power than it should so I’ll slow it down to avoid unnecessary ware or failure I wouldn’t call this a dealbreaker but I’d really miss it if I moved over
I plan to switch from Tesla to Licid in the next year. I derate all the time when charging at home so my energy pull uses what my solar is producing so I don’t pull from the grid. Really a great feature. He does say that a lot of the time he is being very nitpicky. I actually was pretty impressed with his comments and might even be tempted if I were lucid to pay him to do an in depth review and just to give them some more feedback.
Oh you don't do something so of course that means no one does and he is just "making up crap". Only thing I'm getting form your bitching is that Lucid owners apparently are douchebags.
Agree on this. The "big miss" statement on Apple Car Play/Music and Android Auto is pretty dumb. Having used Android Auto, and Apple car play, it's not a deal breaker like this makes it out to be.
This video makes me want to wait for a Gravity since they clearly will be incorporating all their lessons learned into that vehicle. The Air UI is just a bit too gen 1 clunky in spite of the software updates. And 💯 screen vents are STUPID. I will never buy a car that doesn't have physical vents. Good job on that, Lucid
We are about to replace our Model S and such a shame the Lucid Air only comes with a black interior for the seats up front. Not sure what they are thinking to design such an amazing vehicle but not offer a light interior up front. We can't stand dark interiors, and I hope they offer a white or light-colored interior up front. Such an arrogant design choice to only offer a dark interior for a car that costs this much.
I had a similar concern. I actually even cancelled my initial order because of it, but in the end after driving it I decided to place a new order and I'm glad I did. In the end it didn't matter and any concern about the seat color for comfort has been a non issue.
Doesn’t matter how awesome some features are or nit picks there may be. The opening portion says it all… getting in and out of the car is only for young, skinny, not too tall people. Pass
@@OfficialPhdPepper He's right. That's the problem that my 90 year old father has. He had the same issue with the Model S. He's not the same as when he was 80. It's not nice to blame old people for being old. I'm old enough for Medicare, above average height for a man, and no longer skinny. I have no problem. But people with problems should test drive different things to see what works.
How can a 150k in 2024 have such a laggy ui and dated feel already? I feel like an EV in this era should have a tech forward approach like Tesla and not only be a battery on wheels.
The best sound systems cost more than the car itself, and won't work in cars. What they have in common is that they strive for accuracy, and don't have things like tone controls because the less you put in the signal path the less you lose in fidelity. People who complain about needing more equalizer bars aren't the types who want the best sound. Ideally, a sound engineer will get things right in the first place, and design the system so that it sounds right with everything at neutral. If it really sounded better with the bass pushed, for example, that would be the default position. I'm not saying that Lucid's is the best out there, because I've never heard a truly great car sound system. Whether or not people want to say that Tesla's is better, the sound upgrade on my first Tesla was slightly less (or a lot more if you factor in inflation) than what Lucid charges for their premium system, and it was a disappointment. The biggest obstacles to good sound in a car are outside noise, which Lucid does a pretty good job of taking care of, and listener position. The latter can't really be achieved in a car in an optimal way.
Nobody *really* wants EVs like that I think there are some good appliances, but they need to be forced to compete on merit with petrol/diesel cars. Then you'll see a better quality of EV. Taking nothing away from the appliance in the video; it looks good
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This type of video is great for someone actually buying the vehicle, not picking and all. Gives an idea of what you have to live with every day.
Nice work Jordan. Initially, I was a little disappointed at all the nitpicking. But then I realized that it was a good thing. It meant that there were no serious issues to discuss. Plus, if the Lucid software engineers see this video, they might incorporate some of your nitpicks/suggestions in future upgrades.
If you hear all the nitpicks you understand the worst case scenario for how you're going to perceive the car. Personally, none of that stuff matters to me, but if you're that type of person it's nice to know what you're getting into ahead of time. You're not going to pick all this up on the test drive.
This dude is a great real estate photograher but an even better car reviewer!
I’m so glad Jordan came back. Great job.
Thanks for the in-depth review and I wish more reviewers would follow this example. I do own a 2024 Lucid Air Pure and it has been a great road car. I have owned a 2015 Tesla Model S and 2022 Model Y. The 2015 Model S definitely had some minor software issues and I had to reboot it fairly often. The Model Y was outstanding. I would agree that The Lucid software is not as mature as the latest Tesla software but I do get OTS updates regularly. So fa I am happy with the software but I do know Mr. Rawlinson has also recently stated that the software is not where it should be and has revealed many updates they plan to bring forward this year. I do not have the Dream Drive Pro but the Premium works well and I love the true 3D view when backing up or parking. I feel that the Adaptive Cruise is smoother than with the Model Y and accelerates and brakes more smoothly. I also love the UI in the Lucid. It is simple but intuitive and does not force you to always go to the screen; for example it has kept the turn signal & drive stalk, and has separate volume & climate controls. I also agree that simple hand adjustable air vents are great. Sometimes a true tactile feel is just better. The sound system is very good but not great but then again I listen to a lot of books on tape & podcasts as well as music so a super premium system is not my highest priority. Best of all it has a quiet ride and super efficient. It has a smaller battery (84 kWh) than the Y but with 420 miles of EPA range. The App can be slow at times but certainly not a deal breaker for those considering the Lucid. Over time, I feel that the App and software will catch up to the rest of the car and make for a truly outstanding EV...perhaps the new Gravity out this year will showcase how everything has improved. Considering that the Lucid Air is only about 3 full years old, I think they have done a remarkable job. For those interested in the latest from Lucid, I would suggest seeing the latest Technology & Manufacturing event that is now on Lucid's UA-cam channel. Their passion for the product really comes through. Thanks again for the review.
Yes, the app is too slow and far more limited than Tesla's. As far as the screens, some of it's a lot better than Tesla's and some needs catching up. They addressed a few pet peeves with this update, such as Homelink when backing out of the garage. But that's also one that Tesla took the better part of a decade to get right. I haven't had much need to reboot the Lucid, or any Tesla all that often, with the exception of the Model 3 in 2017. The big difference I see in software is approach. Tesla does things bit by bit, getting things working somewhat and then refining them. I've seen Tesla's lane change go from not existing to working awkwardly in HW1 to not being there in HW2 to working awkwardly to working well with Autopilot, to working awkwardly with FSD to working well. Lucid got it right the first time with this release in terms of smoothness, and is already smoother than Tesla. They are hesitant to change lanes in close gaps so far.
I saw Tesla's adaptive cruise control go from choppy, dangerous and unreliable to the point that even in HW1 it works better than in most new cars on the road. Lucid's wasn't perfect when first released, but quite good. At some point around the end of last year (I don't remember which update) it became excellent, and made me glad that I didn't have to relive Tesia's growing process from "it works, but drives like a teenager" on up. Ironically, when Tesla first released TACC, it was not called beta. FSD lost the beta tag, but Autopilot on HW1 is still called beta, despite outperforming what a lot of new car makers call production software.
Excellent work, Jordan. Very informative yet conversational 😊
Don’t worry about the video length. I would’ve watched more. I’m glad there’s at least one outlet that provides time-no-object, all-encompassing coverage of cars.
Lucid is awesome. Quality over quantity!!
Great video! I’d really love to see software deep dive videos like this on as many other vehicles as possible
Any special requests? Planning on it!
In either the Morgan Stanley investor call or the Tech & Manufacturing presentation (I can't remember which one as they were just days apart) Peter admitted that their software was behind the curve and that it needed to be a key strength of the Lucid experience. He also said that they put new leaders in place for the software team, so we'll have to see what comes out of that. They are designing for Gravity and then back-porting some features to Air, so I have high expectations for Gravity when it finally cones out. They screen layout and design are improved in Gravity so some of these screen real estate issues should go away. 🤞 Thanks for the deep dive.
Thank you for the review. Been waiting for an extensive review of the software. I’m one of the many current Tesla Model S owners considering a switch to Lucid and really wanted to know how much had improved with the updated MCU. Audio is really important to me and was not happy to hear it hasn’t really improved. Lucid seems to be going for more of a neutral sound. Wouldn’t be surprised if there’s no integrated sub at all which would explain the lack of low end. Regarding the “single” option settings menu, it’s likely they will add additional settings functionality in the future which is why they chose to keep it separate. Not surprised at the lack of native Apple Music app but could see that coming in a future update. Slow wake times could be explained if they’re not taking advantage of BT LE capability in modern smart phones but that also can be updated OTA. Overall it’s easy to see where Lucid acknowledge some missteps with interior design by looking at what is changing in the Gravity, landscape vs portrait screen for example. Definitely looking forward to deep dive of its UI once the SUV hits the market.
Very good catch about the multi-tiuch not working on certain things! I never would have caught that, but for those who often have a passenger, that could be a very annoying thing. Hopefully a software update will address that.
Agree on charging derating, it is not a minor thing.
I just confirmed with my local service guy that older Lucid Air sedans can be upgraded to the new faster system board. He's looking up the details for me and I hope to get it soon. Not that there is anything really wrong with the older board, but I want to be sure to be compatible with future updates. I agree that they need charge derating option. That is especially useful when using Lucid's EVSE to harvest power from a potentially sketchy outlet, a dryer plug (using adapter), or a non-dedicated 115V outlet when travelling in a remote location (insert pic of an Ozark cabin here). Key does frunk and trunk. Lucid works to avoid clutter on displays. Most functions have several ways to reach. They want you to be able to get in the car and drive w/o menu diving. Basic seat controls are on the seat, mirror and glovebox on the home page. You can set the air w/o any menu at all. Screens let you deep dive when you're ready. Consider the target market, premium Euro ICE drivers.
Early Air GT owner. F-ing love this car. Best part is how it drives. Lucid has w/o a doubt the best "behind the curtain" technology (drive units, drive calibration, efficiency, suspension tuning, TC/SC/ABS. Regen blending & brake feel. The screens/infotainment are nice, but just trinkets. The ride and drive are what these cars are all about.
Be sure to post back if you hear more about the upgrade.
Great video - love the detail. In the mobile app I was particularly impressed with the “range finder” capability. Would love to see that come to Tesla as well.
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The software integration with the two screens especially with climate is kind of clunky. Needs a lot of love IMO
Support for next-generation CarPlay to take over all of the screens in the car (it's possible now without losing any functionality), Phone Key support for the Wallet app, proper interactive home screen widgets support, iOS 18 control center toggle support. There are so many things that Lucid can improve on the smartphone side alone that would make this experience better.
Air Touring owner here. The key controls the doors, trunk and the frunk. Agreed it's odd there's no trunk button along side the frunk button.
yes, also an Air Touring owner. On the back of the key fob, there is a 'morse code' menu of how long to click/press to perform different options (i.e. dot = short click; dash = long click). The fob shows: unlock (dot), lock (dot dot), and open the trunk (dash). While not printed on the fob, try "dot dash"...
One thing I haven't seen anyone review are the 'hidden' items, such as swiping the cabin lights to turn on/off. Also several warnings or functions that happen in unique situation (such as leaving the trunk or frunk open for too long), or waking up the car by pressing the door handles.
Trip: it would be great to see time! | When you get the Pure please test it under heat conditions, my compressor is so loud all the time during the summer even when not fast charging. The app needs to be overhauled, opening the app shouldn't wake the vehicle automatically it sometimes works and sometimes does not and sometimes I am just wanting to look at some information and don't need the car awake for. These wishes being mentioned the car is solid and fantastic to drive.
I love how you can download offline maps. Tesla nav does not do well when starting in an area with poor cellular service.
Probably no OLed screens bc of the potential of burn in especially with the static displays of a car.
If the screen has storage space in the back like Cadillac that's a great place for pistol carry
Great video. I’d like to see software and route planning comparisons across the different manufacturers. Again, great job!1
Well done Jordan. The four screen setup is somewhat intimidating. Lucid has made some great cars. This vehicle really looks so good. I understand your review is that the software is not industry leading. The question is whether it is good enough now or you believe Lucid will improve it substantially with OTA updates? Keep up the good work.
Double tap and hold to open/close trunk with fob
I like the Dolby Atmos tracks much better than stereo tracks and used the phone app to make a playlist.
Can also make playlists from your PC.
Ambient lightning dependent on the song album art is a neat idea !
Software control vent control is so much batter than the manual as you can program them to turn on if the car detects a person in any one seat. Advantages are less energy used to blow air improving energy overall efficiency and more air for the fewer passengers. Thoughts?
I can turn off all the vents sans the drivers in my IONIQ6. I wish I could turn just the backs off but I've heard it's best to just leave them on.
Lucid is growing just as The Model S was when it first came on the market, go back in look at the first Model S features and see where they came from to the point they are today. I'm banking on Lucid to get way better as time moves on.
ok I must say that software would drive me nuts. If the voice assistant turns on that easy.
You can just turn it off completely
I had that happen with Alexa a lot, largely because you can't talk about Alexa without Alexa wanting to answer you. It's too early to say whether I'll have that problem with "Hey Lucid." Hopefully I won't, but it's not likely to have to listen to me talk for 50 minutes straight. Not that there's anything wrong with doing that in a video of course.
I really hope to be able to afford one some day. But NOT being able to lower charging speed is shocking. How could such expensive car not have this feature? Hopefully they will add it over OTA soon.
Do you meal lower the amp draw? The Lucid home charger which is only $200 after the promotion does this. You can set the dip switches to whatever current draw your supply can handle
@@davidditzler2704 So the charger your saying Is 1,200 dollars????? And yes we know you can set your breaker amperage on the charger just like Tesla but with a Tesla you can change amps the car draws In the app and the car
@@blessguy5330 there is a $1,000 charging credit which makes it $200. Or if you have referral credit you can buy it from the Lucid store with that and it will cost you nothing.
@@davidditzler2704 almost all chargers have these function in them - but it's very cumbersome to use. With Tesla you can change it on the fly - i use it DAILY. Countless times I've been slow charing and suddenly I get phonecall/decide I must go. Literally 3 clicks away from cracking up from 3kW to 11kW.
If memory serves me right - Lucid has 22kW onboard AC. It would be AMAZING to be able charge that fast at home.
Great review. Very informative.
Does it have Apple shortcuts support? (Like tesla) Does apple maps or google maps show state of charge? (Like mach-e) how reliable is the phone as a key? Does it use Apple wallet (like rivian or hyundai) another example of lane keeping off of mapped highways is Hyundai and ford ( and Hyundai does not require cruise control) Does the app work off cellular network (WiFi only) it’s important for when the cell tech eventually goes away ( see what happened to teslas when edge went away)
Would rather these be longer and more detailed. Thanks for giving us the tour!
What SOC are they using ? You didn't mention ? Nvidia? AMD?
You love the air and you are critical of it, but would you buy it? I own a 2004 Lexus 460 and I would like to modernize. In many ways this car seems like a good replacement, but I love the luxury and comfort of my old car, so I’m a bit hesitant. Should I jump in and buy a lucid air?
Not being able to lower the ac charging is a big deal
OLED screens would suffer from ‘burn in’ pretty badly in this application, so I understand why they didn’t go down that path.
The frunk can be opened with the key fob. You need to press the fob once, and then press and hold after that.
You're being silly 😜. The problem is technical... if two touches are registered as one gesture the screen cannot then also register it as two separate touches -- it just doesn't work that way -- unless they have really, really specialized touch screen software and hardware.
Did they indicate what SOC they are using in the new models?
Damn, I have a Tesla model Y and I love it but this looks pretty damn cool
Did you put your Apple Watch on upside down?
It's not upside down. It's with the button facing toward the hand, which is the normal way. The face flips so that it can be worn on either wrist. Apple put the button off center so it looks wrong, but that's on Apple. Sometimes, right handed people don't think things through and that's probably why Apple screwed up.
I am curious , how does the ADAS system compare to the full system in the Kia EV9?
is there a widget that has functional direct buttons?
Does the app work as a key?? Nice to see decent features but this is important
Yes
It works as a key, both in terms of locking and unlocking without taking it out of the pocket, and in terms of being able to lock or unlock remotely. It doesn't let people remote enable driving. It also doesn't work with NFC on the car pillar the way the Tesla app does (I think it's Android only) but Lucid also has card keys for backup use.
Fun fact - Hyundai designed and produced the seats for the Air, along for Rivian
Lucid really needs to derate charging! I just stayed at an AirBnB with a Tesla home charger and the Lucid blew the 30amp circuit breaker.
That’s on the ABnB host, the installer should have configured the Tesla Wall Connector to operate at 24A. That signals to the car the maximum power available
Does it still have the slow charging issue at certain types of CCS?
The Alexa settings in the app are for the skill to integrate to your home Echo devices, not for the voice assistant inside the car.
The Alexa Skill for Echo Devices is now useless, not that those things worked well in the past. Since it's under a menu item called VOICE ASSISTANTS, Lucid could add Hey Lucid to that menu, leave Alexa for cars that still haven't had the update and not have to worry about a different app version for different software levels. Somebody could have a Lucid with the upgrade and one without it. For now, there's way too little documented about Hey Lucid, and it would be nice to see that in the app.
Having multi touch support doesn't mean the screen is capable of being operated by 2 people at once. It would need to detect that the finger touch points be belonging to 2 different hands of 2 different people 🙂
Great video!
No OBD port to use with ABRP
Passive lock means the doors have been locked and unlocked without the doors being opened. It's a security feature.
It's the "passive lock temporarily unavailable" message that he was talking about. I never saw it until the 2.4 update and don't know why I did. Once the app woke the car up, the message went away.
So what soc is it?
State of charge
@@Gregoryml21 I am not asking what Soc stands for. I am asking what is System on Chip, meaning the chip that the infotainment system runs on.
When is the next podcast from Francie?
alright Jordan. I'm 15mins and 30secs in and all I heard are annoying nit picks from you. But I'll keep watching because you are actually a good and fair reviewer, just incredibly whiny. letting you know because you asked for it.
edit: I finished the vid and I forgive you for being incredibly nit picky. We all want Lucid to be better and the best. Thanks for the vid!
Send any Lucid software glinch to them so they can correct it ✔️
A wonderful car made unaffordable on LI, New York. I wanted to buy a Touring. Presently pay $1860/yr for my 20 Model 3 Performance. My insurance company wouldn’t insure the Lucid. Got estimates between $6000/yr from GEICO to $11,000 from others. I cancelled my order.
I have a 24 Lucid Grand Touring and live in Detroit, MI, My rate is $1,980.00/yr thru AAA. I dunno, your quotes are crazy.
Mine is more than for a Tesla, but nowhere near where your quotes are. I have no idea why it's so expensive where you are, what your driving record is or anything else, but that's not what I've been seeing in general.
Still very much a work in progress.
Yes, and that's a good thing. It used to be that all cars were a work in progress in a sense, but it meant trading in for a later model year to get new features. Tesla changed that, but did so by releasing features before they were ready for prime time, and then refining them over time. So far, Lucid has been more cautious with updates, but has things work better off the bat when added with an update, such as lane changes in this new release. Regardless, having a car that does more now than when I got it is nice. And having the hardware there so that future updates can fix some of these issues is key. Some of the things that Tesla got wrong (IMO) can't be fixed with just software updates.
Lucid add Pandora Music..... Please !!!!
This software looks like the ones on legacy cars.
oled not good for static screens
Im surprised they would create their own system i would think there is a company that supplies automakers.
How many do they roll out these days?
Just checked the stock price... sh .. i bought at 20.
Just good that it was only $500
Not feeling those wheels. Especially with them being mismatched in this video.
It's getting to the point where EV Drivers want eveerrything soooo convenient and easy. 😂 Next you know they will Want a porta potty under the driver seat to make taking a DUMP easier!
Lucid GT owner here. Some nitpicking on complete non issues. Many are literally just made up problems. I mean the derate thing is so dumb. The car is so good they’re just making up crap at this point. I’ve never de rated my Tesla while charging. The OTA’s have been incredible and there are a ton more coming by the end of the year. This company really has an early Tesla feel right now. Just getting things done and no politics. It’s the best EV on the market. When you own one you’ll know.
I de-rate AC charging all the time, many hotel charges have idle fees so I slow the charging a bit so I don’t get crazy high overnight fees.
Also de-rate charging to avoid stressing components, many outlets are not properly rated for high continuous loads or just output more power than it should so I’ll slow it down to avoid unnecessary ware or failure
I wouldn’t call this a dealbreaker but I’d really miss it if I moved over
I plan to switch from Tesla to Licid in the next year.
I derate all the time when charging at home so my energy pull uses what my solar is producing so I don’t pull from the grid. Really a great feature.
He does say that a lot of the time he is being very nitpicky. I actually was pretty impressed with his comments and might even be tempted if I were lucid to pay him to do an in depth review and just to give them some more feedback.
Oh you don't do something so of course that means no one does and he is just "making up crap". Only thing I'm getting form your bitching is that Lucid owners apparently are douchebags.
Agree on this. The "big miss" statement on Apple Car Play/Music and Android Auto is pretty dumb. Having used Android Auto, and Apple car play, it's not a deal breaker like this makes it out to be.
Speak for yourself. I de-rate our Tesla very often to match to solar panel production.
Way too nit picky with the music system. You're very negative - apple music, heard you the first time.
Good car of it cost 50k at most cheap for anything more
This video makes me want to wait for a Gravity since they clearly will be incorporating all their lessons learned into that vehicle. The Air UI is just a bit too gen 1 clunky in spite of the software updates. And 💯 screen vents are STUPID. I will never buy a car that doesn't have physical vents. Good job on that, Lucid
Gravity will be my first Lucid too, then probably the following year for an Air
There is a lot of anticipation for the gravity, hopefully availability won’t be an issue. I am looking forward to getting a gravity as well.
We are about to replace our Model S and such a shame the Lucid Air only comes with a black interior for the seats up front. Not sure what they are thinking to design such an amazing vehicle but not offer a light interior up front. We can't stand dark interiors, and I hope they offer a white or light-colored interior up front. Such an arrogant design choice to only offer a dark interior for a car that costs this much.
My "white" Model S seats aren't so white anymore 😅. My bright red GSF seats aren't that bright anymore. Lesson? Darker seats for the win.
No sorry this lucid is cheap for 100k or 70 k
I had a similar concern. I actually even cancelled my initial order because of it, but in the end after driving it I decided to place a new order and I'm glad I did. In the end it didn't matter and any concern about the seat color for comfort has been a non issue.
Imagine not buying a vehicle ONLY because the front seats are black...
I agree that the two-tone seat setup is very weird.
So it's a silly car
Doesn’t matter how awesome some features are or nit picks there may be. The opening portion says it all… getting in and out of the car is only for young, skinny, not too tall people.
Pass
lol what a well informed comment 😂
@@OfficialPhdPepper He's right. That's the problem that my 90 year old father has. He had the same issue with the Model S. He's not the same as when he was 80. It's not nice to blame old people for being old. I'm old enough for Medicare, above average height for a man, and no longer skinny. I have no problem. But people with problems should test drive different things to see what works.
Boo apple music! I will never buy in to to their ecosystem 😏. Tidal is pretty good. I like it.
At least it isn’t Android Automotive.
You have to press two buttons on two different screens just to enter a nav destination? That is absolute garbage.
No, you can simply tell the car where to go without pressing any buttons.
@@bW9taeH4 reliance on voice commands should be optional, not a workaround for poor UX design.
@@greg_289 It is optional.
Who cares about the back seat passengers!😆
How can a 150k in 2024 have such a laggy ui and dated feel already? I feel like an EV in this era should have a tech forward approach like Tesla and not only be a battery on wheels.
Good car bad review
100% disagree with the sound review. The Atmos tracks are excellent, but unfortunately there aren't a huge amount of them.
The best sound systems cost more than the car itself, and won't work in cars. What they have in common is that they strive for accuracy, and don't have things like tone controls because the less you put in the signal path the less you lose in fidelity. People who complain about needing more equalizer bars aren't the types who want the best sound. Ideally, a sound engineer will get things right in the first place, and design the system so that it sounds right with everything at neutral. If it really sounded better with the bass pushed, for example, that would be the default position. I'm not saying that Lucid's is the best out there, because I've never heard a truly great car sound system. Whether or not people want to say that Tesla's is better, the sound upgrade on my first Tesla was slightly less (or a lot more if you factor in inflation) than what Lucid charges for their premium system, and it was a disappointment.
The biggest obstacles to good sound in a car are outside noise, which Lucid does a pretty good job of taking care of, and listener position. The latter can't really be achieved in a car in an optimal way.
I like screen controlled vents. Physical controls are clunky and hard to clean.
Nobody *really* wants EVs like that
I think there are some good appliances, but they need to be forced to compete on merit with petrol/diesel cars.
Then you'll see a better quality of EV. Taking nothing away from the appliance in the video; it looks good
This will interest all five people who bought a Saudi Lucid
Lucid interface design in general is a mess.
I'm waiting for the Porsche taycan speed run I couldn't care less of this failure of a car
So much hate lol
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