@@MaestroWenarto What are you talking about? Every review you can find that mentions the Air's regen brakes says that it has some of the strongest regen brakes you can get
@@MaestroWenarto Total balderdash, fanboy. We traded our 2015 Model S P90D for a 2021 Model S Plaid, and we also own a 2022 Lucid Air Dream Edition Performance. While the first Tesla was not capable of true one-pedal driving, the Plaid is . . . and its regen is virtually indistinguishable from the Air's. Both cars handle one-pedal driving smoothly and linearly and have absolutely seamless transitions from regenerative to friction braking when necessary. If you want to sample abysmal regen braking, try a Mercedes EQS with that ridiculous system that moves the brake pedal on its own while in regenerative braking.
Overall not a bad review, in fact quite fair. I have a Lucid Air GT, and I guarantee you I'm taller at 6'9" and don't have an issue what so ever with it. IMO everyone is stuck on the one trick pony of the Tesla which is...."I'm fast". Big deal. I've been driving EV's since 2012 and Range and Comfort are king for me. And Lucid dominates Tesla in both these areas. The ride of the Lucid is where it is at, where as not so much in a Tesla. Granted you were testing the Air Pure, and at the bottom of the line for Lucid, I'm in full agreement with you that more bells and whistles should be included for that price point. Bottom line: Luxury, Comfort, Ride, Range and Exclusiveness is what I seek. In my section of town there must be 2 to 3 thousand Tesla's, but there are only 4 Lucid's, 3 GT's and 1 Dream Edition. I like that my Lucid turns heads, where as the Tesla is just another car on the road. Good Luck and Nice Video.
I saw a Lucid Air the other day. It looks like a hypercar class luxury vehicle with the already iconic design and super cool lights unlike any other. .
I'm not sure this review was "quite fair." In demonstrating rear seat room, the reviewer ran the front seat all the way back in the Lucid but all the way forward in the Tesla, thus creating the false impression that the back seat room was roughly equal between the two cars. Why would any even-handed reviewer do that? We own a 2021 Model S Plaid and a 2022 Lucid Air Dream Performance. The back seat of the Air is vastly roomier. With the driver seat in each car set to my preferred driving position, there is 9.5 inches more fore/aft legroom in the Air. When carrying adults in the rear, we invariably take the Air instead of the Tesla.
@@blakespringpasturemortimer9168 If I latched onto one thing on the review, then yeah, quite unfair. However, I looked at the overall review. Agreed, at 6'9", I still have a lot of leg room in the back seat of my Lucid, and if my guests knees are tilted up in the are a bit because I want greater range, then they shouldn't mind. And even if they do mind, tough! ;) I want that extra range.
@@terrytexas8257 Agreed it was just one thing in the review. However, running one seat all the way forward and one all the way back to do a rear seat comparison was not inadvertent. It was a deliberate effort to favor one car over the other . . . and that calls the reviewer's motives and objectivity into question. And, given how obvious it was, it's also an insult to the intelligence of the viewer.
It's interesting that you tried out the rear seat of the Lucid with the front seat run all the way back, but you ran the front seat all the way forward to check out the Model S rear seat. We have a 2021 Model S Plaid and a 2022 Lucid Air Dream Performance. With the driver seat set to my preferred driving position in each car, there is 9.5" more fore/aft legroom in the rear seat of the Lucid than in the Tesla. In terms of car interiors, that is a vast difference. In fact, if we're carrying adult friends with us, we invariably take the Air because of its much roomier interior. (I would also note that our Air has the larger battery pack, which does jack the knees up for rear seat passengers just as in the Model S. However, the Air Pure has the smaller battery pack which lowers the rear floorboard 3.15", further advancing the Air's rear seat comfort over the Model S.) I really have to question why you would have positioned the front seats in the Tesla and the Lucid so differently in order to create the false impression that both cars have equal rear seat room and comfort. Owning both cars, I can assure you they do not.
Agreed. Pretty massive oversight and could be read as less-than-subtle bias. Hopefully that was not the intention, as there are many merits to both cars which make a comparison like this a completely fair fight. In the case of the Lucid, rear cabin space and legroom is considered one of its objective class-leading (industry-leading even) benefits. Don't believe me? Go to your local mall if you happen to live near one with both a Tesla and Lucid showroom and see for yourself. No further explanation required.
To measure rear legroom, you need to set the front seats in both cars to 40 inches and leave the seats fully upright. If you don't do that, the result is random nonsense. The Lucid unquestionably has more legroom than the Model S. It also has substantially more headroom in the rear. When I got a Model S in 2014, Tesla still made a metal roof. I went with the glass roof since it had more rear headroom, not specifically for the sunroof. Lucid has more room with the glass roof, and supposedly even more with the metal one. So Lucid is going to give more comfort even with the seats all the way back. In normal use with my seat in my normal setting, rear passengers get far more legroom in my Lucid. I still have the Tesla and I'm not hear to knock Tesla. It's still a good car, and still has a few features that Lucid needs to catch up on. But overall, I concur with all the others who own both (or who own a Lucid and owned a Model S in the past) that the Lucid is nicer overall. The best way for anybody to decide is to test drive both. It was more dramatic for me since I own a Model S, and that meant ending my test drive in the Lucid and immediately getting back into my Model S to go home. But I'll still say that for practical purposes my Model S is far better than when it was new. That's thanks to hardware and software upgrades. Lucid already has the hardware to do what I see as missing in the software, but only time will tell. I'll have a better idea in five years, as I do with the Tesla. I don't regret buying the Tesla one bit. The same is true with the Lucid, but I haven't had it long term.
@@The._.Truth-.- Maybe, but both the Lucid and the Tesla have an easy entry/exit feature with the ability to deactivate it. To have it turned off in the Tesla and turned on in the Lucid when comparing legroom behind their front seats is sloppy reviewing at best and deliberate bias at worst.
It is super weird to see that the front seats in the Lucid were pushed all the way back and the Tesla seats were pushed forward. After re-watching that part of the video it's either 1 of 2 things - bias or a mistake. I think it's probably time for Everyday Chris to comment on it if he cares about his integrity. When there's 9 inches more legroom in one car than the other and a video says they are the same it either means that the reviewer is incapable of making an objective observation out of incompetence or they're incapable of making an objective observation.
With the EV used market depreciating, one could also pick up a 2021 Tesla Model S Plaid for around $70,000. Mind blowing that the car was around $140,000 just a few years ago.
@@kpboix99 I think mass production of batteries and other components will make the EVs on par with ICE counterparts soon. Whoever jumped early, paid the premium for the bragging rights.
@@carlosnorris352 yes that and also because these cars are more of tech devices than cars. Kind of like how the new iPhones come out better and better. Time makes them feel outdated with hardware that keeps getting better.
Lucid is a great company! My reasons for investing in Lucid are as follows: Their innovative designs and high-performance electric vehicles have already begun shaking up the industry. Secondly, they’ve demonstrated a commitment to advancing battery research and development. Their goal to become a global leader in electric transportation is a vision I truly believe in. A long time ago, I missed the opportunity to invest in Tesla, and now I regret it. The beginning for Lucid may be difficult, but the future looks bright.
Great video! You mentioned putting golf clubs through the pass-through. In fact, a full set of clubs fits perfectly sideways in the trunk without having to use the pass-through.
Great review Chris. I'm in for the Tesla S, primarily for (in order) charging system and infrastucture, software (including FSD), versatility (hatchback for stowing a bike), overall power and the classic styling. I like the Lucids efficiency but the styling reminds be of what a Buick EV would look like. Way to mature for me. BTW planning to order an S next month and hope it will have a front bumper camera like the Cybertruck.
A good review. The Lucid is better looking than the Tesla. So, if you are tall, a sedan is not good for you? Well, I drive large sedans without difficulty fitting in them comfortably.
Lucid is a much prettier car IMO. I own a Tesla (which I love) but sat in a Lucid and was really impressed with the luxury feel compared to Tesla. I hope Lucid makes it, they have the only battery and EV motor tech as good or better than Tesla.
Definitely prefer the Model S and it's not even close! For all the leg room in the Lucid, I kept bumping ny head getting into the driver's seat. The stereo also absolutely sucks while the one in the Model S is pretty stellar. Does the Lucid's Nav work properly now?
The Lucid looks awesome, but I own a Tesla Model YLR and would go for the S over the Lucid. I don't like the fact that the back of the Lucid severely limits how many suitcases you can store in it (although the frunk is super large) and most importantly, the charging network. I'm sorry, Tesla got that right and I couldn't see myself doing any long distance driving and then having to rely on Electrify America or EVGo. Imagine having 12 miles of range left, you're at an EA charger and the next nearest charger is 50 miles away? I'd be praying to the charging gods to make it work!
We own a 2022 Lucid Air Dream Performance and a 2021 Model S Plaid (our second Tesla, replacing our 2015 P90D). There is nothing "severely limited" about how many suitcases you can put in the Lucid. There is a height restriction in the trunk of the Lucid, but that is not relevant for suitcases. Between its trunk and the enormous frunk (much larger than Tesla's), the Lucid has plenty of luggage space. Also, if you ever carry adults in the rear seat, the Lucid absolutely trounces the Model S. With the driver seat set to my preferred driving position in both cars, there is 9.5" more fore/aft legroom in our Lucid than in our Tesla. In terms of car interiors, that is a vast difference. And our Dream Edition has the larger battery pack. With the smaller pack in the Pure, the footwells are 3.15" deeper than in the Dream Edition, making the back seat even more comfortable. Also, at almost 30,000 miles our Lucid is still rock solid. By 10,000 miles our Model S Plaid had developed squeaks and groans in the rear. Beyond this, the Lucid rides and handles much better and is quieter. While the Plaid is a tick quicker to 60 than the Air Dream (1,111 hp) due to its lighter weight, you cannot make full use of the Plaid's acceleration as the front end goes loose very quickly under hard acceleration. The Lucid stays much better planted, allowing you to use more of its prodigious power.
If you own a Model Y, I'm curious why you end up getting down to 12 miles of range left. I've gone that low in a Tesla, but generally because I knew that when I'd get home, I'd be able to charge. Also, there are enough Supercharger stations that if I calculated wrong, had a detour or anything else, there was a backup plan. In the earlier days, it might have been because there weren't enough Supercharger stations. In that situation, I made sure to find out where there were J1772 and destination chargers in the area where I'd be just in case. In the early years of Tesla, I made sure to have more than enough range that I wouldn't end up with so little range unless there was no alternative. These days that's no longer a problem, and with the Lucid, there's so much range that I won't run that risk on road trips either. The longest I've driven in the past decade in a single day in a Tesla could be done in my Lucid on a single charge. I unquestionably agree that Tesla has a better charging network. There are actually far more CCS stations, but they tend to have few chargers. If a station has four chargers in total, only two are 350kW, and one is out of service, there's a good chance that I'd be stuck waiting. In real life, I've never been stuck because I look at the apps, find a station that has working chargers available, and seeing broken ones in the same lot doesn't hurt me. The down side would be that if a navigator tells me where to stop on a 400 mile trip, information about how many chargers are available at a station 100 miles away is useless. Also, the limitations I've seen have been with EA. My Tesla has free supercharging. I had a Model 3 that did not, and if I had bought a newer Tesla instead of the Lucid, it wouldn't have free Supercharging either. If I'm willing to pay for charging, I don't have to stick with EA just because it's free. If you seriously want to compare the Lucid to a Model S, I'd suggest trying them both.
@@blakespringpasturemortimer9168 The P90D had less frunk space than the pre-D version, but in terms of the number of suitcases, that's different from the number of cubic feet. The extra space will hold specific sized objects, a typical suitcase not being one of them. I never hit a limitation with the Model S or with the Lucid in actual use. The new Model S has a lot less space than the P90D frunk. It does have the HEPA filter though. I've yet to drive through an area where that was a problem in the Lucid, but time will tell. You are right about the backseat of the Lucid. And if people don't have rear passengers, it's a moot point since on both cars, the seats will fold down, giving more space for storage than I'd ever need. As for acceleration, the Model S could beat a similarly priced Lucid in theory, but in practice on actual roads it won't matter. My wife drives the Model S now, and if you swapped out a P90 for a 90 or vice versa, she'd never notice the difference. What I liked most about Tesla's 0-60 time wasn't that I had a practical need, but that since modern EVs were relatively new, Tesla needed to show that it could trounce the competition. Prior to that, EVs had a reputation of being slow, with limited storage space due to a trunk full of batteries, quirky, with very limited range and not for the average driver. Now it's a non-issue for me. I don't need to do 0-60 in under 3 seconds. The one time I tried launch mode in the Lucid, I eased up long before I got up to speed.
We just went to the Lucid showroom near us last Sunday for a test drive and presentation. We're more interested in the Gravity but we really like the Air Touring as well. Gonna be a hard decision when we order next spring.
😂😂 "Hey waddup, im in a Lucid Air!." I think thats what anyone in an expensive luxury car is thinking whenever they are behind the wheel and have eye contact with anyone. 😅😊
Great review and a fair comparison! I have a Lucid Air touring and the storage space is incredible. I didn't see you using the sub trunk for the bags. I think it depends on your bags since the net capacity of the lucid is bigger you can fit more luggage but you might need to use different bags. So I think this point should go to the Air or at least be a tie.
What people don’t realize is when you buy a Tesla, you’re not just getting the car, you’re getting a whole ecosystem which also includes the massive network of reliable superchargers.
Ehhh,, ill never see the tail lights of that model, cuz my model s will be so far ahead of it.. then i can count my 3grand while i wait for him 2 catch up. Lol. honestly it looks like a Buick.. plain outside..Model S is still sexy. I mean its all opinion based but still I think it looks a bit boring
I like both cars except the lack of color. As an older purchaser I am extremely bored with black, silver, white, charcoal, dark red, and dark blue. I'm also tired of black an gray interiors. A white interior is a deal breaker because of dust and grime. I know I'm dating myself, but in decades past we had not only many colors on exteriors, we also had colors on interiors that complimented the exteriors. Car companies used to offer all sorts of greens, blues, browns, gold, oranges, yellows, etc. Today it's all blah and boring.
When I got a Model S in 2014, I wanted to get a color that didn't make my car look like every other Tesla, not that there were so many back then. I went with green. I don't know if Tesla made more than 1000 of them before they discontinued the color. People who see the actual car like the color and I've gotten nothing but praise. It wasn't my initial choice though, and I changed it after the order was placed. Had Tesla sold cars off the lot the way other companies do, the color probably would have sold well. People will buy a car if they like the color. But if they get to order the car, they will pick a specific color, not an available one from the ones they like. So it was easier for Tesla to stick with the ones that people were most likely to order. These days they have a pretty boring color offering. Back then, they also had brown. It's not something that sounds like an appealing color to me, or something that I considered buying. But when I see Teslas in that color, which is very rare, they actually look very nice. I was in the rare position of having seen a green Tesla in the lot at the showroom. Most people who ordered a car never would have seen one. Lucid gave me a better array of interior and exterior choices than Tesla. I had never bought a red car before but I like Lucid's red. It's not that the other colors look bad, but it's the lack of choice that bothers me.
love the video Chris! Do you ever plan on making an ultimate guide as to which model is best where you compare all of them? (3, S, X, Y) I am wondering which model is the best of the best, keep up the great work!
Oh I'm sure haha, definitely not an easy topic to compress into a video, maybe just a broad not as detailed overview of each model, size, range, performance, comfort, enjoyability, etc. and rating that for each model, just an idea though!@@EverydayChris
I found the Model S to be slow and numb compared to my Corvette Grand Sport; also the Lucid you can adjust the 1-pedal firmness, the Tesla you cannot (it's hard regen only).
Model S no question. It’s reliable, much better looking, faster, more room, has the charging infrastructure, better tech, safe, cost less and Tesla is a smart, thriving business that will continue to lead the EV revolution and eventually be the wealthiest company in human history. Nuff said. 💯💯🎤
We took delivery of a Model S Plaid in August 2021 (replacing our 2015 Model S P90D). We took delivery of a Lucid Air Dream Performance in December 2021. It was production number 154. The Tesla arrived with more quality issues than the Lucid. The yoke column squeaked in the Tesla and required repair. The driver side outside rearview mirror vibrated at speed and had to be replaced. Rubber covers fell off the trunk studs. The PPF applied ahead of the rear wheel wells was noticeably yellow on our white car (never addressed). Several chrome interior trim pieces were misaligned (never addressed). In fact, the 2021 Model S had more quality issues at delivery and in the first few months following than our 2015 Model S, which was actually pretty well built. Right now we're waiting to have the yoke on the Tesla replaced on March 18, as dime-sized plugs of the cover are peeling away and breaking off -- 3 so far. (We've had to wait for this replacement since late fall, as Tesla had to develop a different cover to deal with this widespread problem.) Most importantly, at almost 30,000 miles, our Lucid remains quiet and rock solid. By 10,000 miles the Plaid developed squeaks and groans in the rear quarters. We're getting a Lucid Gravity SUV Dream Edition as soon as they become available to replace our Honda Odyssey minivan. We will be getting rid of the Tesla at that point but keeping the Air.
I've owned a Tesla S, and while I loved driving the car, I was always disappointed in the build quality. I'm having a Lucid Touring (Black Stealth) delivered next week. I think the build quality is vastly superior and I'm excited about the potential extra range. I was an early adopter of Tesla, but not it doesn't now feel as distinctive for me. In fact, it seems Tesla has become the car of choice for many Uber drivers, which is great, but I don't think that's conducive for a luxury brand.
When I got my Model S, it had more than its share of problems on paper, if you count up the number of issues that needed service. But they all got taken care of under warranty and I had no issues after that. With the Lucid, I had a lengthy list of issues in the first couple of months, but I was able to get them taken care of in a single service visit. Tesla's service used to be top notch. I'd get a Model S loaner, and Tesla would bring my car to my house and pick up the loaner after things were fixed. So there was far less inconvenience than with previous cars that had fewer issues on paper. That's especially true if you count service visits for oil changes, brake jobs, etc. Lucid gave me a Grand Touring loaner, so it didn't much matter to me how long it took, since there was no extra inconvenience. But with both cars, the bottom line is that it's a handful of days over the life of the car. It's the day in and day out experience that counts. I think that Tesla's reputation for build quality issues is overblown. You look old enough to remember the days when unreliable cars were the ones that stalled out regularly at intersections, broke down too often, might not start and needed lots of service. By that standard, buying an unreliable car was a problem compared to a reliable one of the era. By today's standards, "reliability" has little to do with day to day driving.
Great information! I would prefer Lucid but choice is always a positive! Tesla was the original and they serve two different markets, but I am rooting for Lucid to prosper not because I want tesla to fail, I want both to win!
When the Lucid Air was announced, I definitely saw it as geared toward a different market. At the time, whenever any company came out with an EV, somebody wrote an article about the next "Tesla killer." I was glad to see Lucid not going in that direction, and targeting premium cars as the competition. At the time, even though I thought that Lucid would make a nice car, I couldn't see myself not getting another Tesla. What surprised me is how many Tesla owners and former Tesla owners are now getting Lucids, myself included. I still agree with the part about two different markets. Tesla doesn't have anything that competes with the Air. I still have a Model S and it's still a nice car, but it comes down to what a buyer wants.
Tesla doesn't have any v4 superchargers in the US, and they don't seem to be making much progress there, so it's actually better to have CCS for cars that run higher voltages like the lucid, since they won't be able to efficiently use tesla's charging network even with NACS. All of tesla's v3 superchargers are too slow to fully capitalize on lucid's charging speed potential so there won't be much reason to use them unless you absolutely have to.
The most expensive tesla you can buy would be the fully equipped model x at 115k (minus FSD), the cheapest lucid goes for 80k, lucid focuses on luxary while tesla focuses on speed, the lucid air sapphire which is 1/10th of a second faster than the model s plaid on paper is more than 2x the price, so they are in totally different price brackets
I think Lucid will wind up being a technology development and licensing company that also happens to make some cars. Their tech is really impressive and I think they'll have trouble scaling past 100k cars/year. Meanwhile I read they have a deal with Hyundai to supply motors. I currently have a Model S but it would be nice to own a car not made by someone who rage fires his best employees and then craps on the state that made him rich.
The rear passenger space in the Lucid is orders of magnitude more comfortable and spacious than the Model S. You had the S front seats moved all the way forward, and the Air seats moved all the way backward. Not a particularly fair comparison. The Air is positively cavernous.
The Pure needs to have DreamDrive PRO to actually keep the car centered in the lane. That is a 10k upgrade. Also it costs 115k over here (NL). It does come standard with Autopark, however due to EU legislation it might not work that good (can't confirm). A Model S currently goes for 95K. The Model S is significantly faster. Lucid looks a bit more luxury, but no glass roof???
I like the effort that both Lucid and Rivian put into their vehicles. I wonder if there are any opportunities for them to share some of their best tech & features with each other, as well as combine certain manufacturing processes/R&D to benefit from economies of scale in order to better compete with the likes of Tesla and BYD. Partnerships can be difficult at the best of times, but the difficult road ahead could be eased with some level of cooperation that stops short of a full merger so their unique offerings & identities continue to exist.
OTHER CARS WITH CCS PORTS ON TESLAS NETWORK IS NOT GOING TO BE ALL IT IS CRACKED UP TO BE. Others non teslas will not be able to charge at all supercharger stations. They have mentioned the number which is about half. That is because the protocall for ccs is different and the gen previous gen superchargers gen 2? (150kw) can not support the protocall differences. Only the newer stalls gen 3 (250kw) stall can support ccs equipped cars. That may be different if you buy a newer car once they put the nacs plug and hardware in but for the older ccs cars, no. Plus the ccs cars with an adapter may also be limited (will be probably) by the adapter and will not be able to charge and higher rates. If you buy a ccs car once you can use teslas network, it may be dissapointing. Unless tesla replaces equipment on the older superchargers which they will probably not do. the other cars will just have to suffer. Also Tesla may not make all stalls available to other cars versus teslas.
Lol timelessly dull and boring I've never been in a tesla and felt like I was in something special or expensive. Plus the lucid actually looks futurstic and head turning
those futuristic things inside that lucid will look old 10 yrs from now. My old ice car is experiencing the same, has a lot of fancy stuff inside than a Tesla, 80% I don’t even touch. But it’s subjective.
Lucid will have the NAS electrical connection for charging next year, but unless Tesla retrofits many of its 500 volt superchargers with the 1000 volt type 4 superchargers, then the NAS plug is kinda pointless. The Lucid’s built in voltage booster will increase the existing Supercharger’s 500 volts up to around 1000 volts for charging , but the Lucid built in electronics will limit the maximum charging kilowatts to approximately 50 kWh’s. I’m not aware of any plans for Lucid to modify their cars to allow for higher speed DC charging when connected to less than 1000 volt chargers…. Pity
Fun and entertaining video on two interesting cars. The biggest drawback for both is price, Ouch! But if someone left me a few million dollars, I would choose the Tesla, with reservations only about one thing, the driver's interface with the car. No stalks, no steering wheel, you have to shift direction with a flick of a finger on the screen? However the main thing about the Tesla Model S that bugs me is the Yoke steering wheel, I can put up with the other control omissions. I noticed that you had to grab the corner of the wheel while making a turn into a side road. I know people can adapt to something different and new, but why Mr. Musk? Why reinvent the wheel? Anyway, I would go with the Tesla product, minus the Yoke. I think that the software and the power train of the Tesla has proven its worth compared with all other car manufacturers that still have their training wheels on concerning EVs.
You can get the Tesla without the yoke. I don't like the idea of the lack of stalks, and my Model S has stalks, but I've learned not to prejudge without firsthand experience. I still like my Lucid better.
Before the Model 3 came out, there were people who posted that it would cannibalize sales of the Model S. In a sense, that was true. The S/X sold over 100,000 in 2017. The numbers are way down. But since coming out with newer models put total production in the millions per year, it was still the right choice. Had Tesla stuck with the S and X as their entire lineup, they might have improved both tremendously by now. But they'd be worse off overall.
nice review... But 4.5-5.0 inches of ground clearance for both of these vehicles is miniscule and absurd for any BEV maker: it places the battery pack too close to the ground, and such clearance will ensure lots of scraping the ground (driveway dips, speedbumps, etc.) almost everywhere, potentially damaging the support around the battery pack. I would not consider a BEV with less than 7 inches of ground clearance.
It's fairly standard ground clearance and places with speed bumps would be in trouble if they didn't account for it. Unlike an ICEV, with a differential or exhaust system hanging lower than most of the vehicle, I never had that problem in an EV.
Great review Chris. I have to say that for me the awkward Trunk and charging issues with the Lucid take it off the table for me. I want the Model S performance and space and Tesla charging network. Maybe when the Lucid has built in NACS, Thx
Oh, the driver profile change on the lucid air is soooooo slow shown by out of spec dave. Took 15 seconds. What a joke. Their software is old school and out of date. Could not give me a lucid. I would sell it for cash to buy a tesla.
It is slower than with the Tesla. But for me, it's a non issue. It's not 15 seconds, but most people don't constantly change profiles. I have a car that I drive primarily and so does my wife. If I drive her Model S, the profile switch is fast. With the Lucid, it should recognize my fob or phone as I approach and shouldn't be an issue.
I will take the Lucid over the Tesla. Besides, this is Lucid’s first production car, and we know they will get even better as they update their range of cars. And they have better efficiency and better quality than the Tesla in my opinion. The Tesla model S is the only good looking car they have.
In the Model S your knees are much higher above the bum, right? In the Pure there are no batteries under the rear footwell to improve seating comfort which fitting the "smaller" battery version that STILL goes further than Model S in highest range spec.
Lucid is nicer imo but still both are nice. I did however hear a lot about Tesla fit and finish quality. The lucid just looks like a better car overall but it's more expensive. I will say this though ,I wouldn't buy a lucid just because of the visibility issues. I can't stand feeling crammed in a car
I find the visibility better in the Lucid. Also, the visibility with the side cameras is far better than I'd get in any car with a side mirror or looking over my shoulder. And Lucid did a better job of putting the camera displays in the right place. I wouldn't feel comfortable in a Model S without a rear view camera, and Tesla left out basic things like blind spot indicators on the side view mirrors. The Model 3 is far worse. The Lucid is also far more roomy than the Tesla. That's especially true in the rear. Standard comparisons are done with the front seats of cars set at 40 inches. This shows the Lucid with the seat all the way back rather than with the same front room as in the Tesla at the time of the measurement.
Although given its similar in price with this model...its really cool and not bad. But aside from the lights it got nothing on tesla. Give me the model S or X all day everyday
It's got a better ride, a quieter cabin, and better ergonomics for the most part. It still has its share of annoyances that Lucid will need to address. Tesla went through the same thing. I watched those issues go away on a Tesla over the course of a decade. Hopefully, Lucid can do better, but they weren't show stoppers for me.
I've never driven the Pure but have driven the other models and they drive & feel so much better than Tesla models. I could be wrong but you seem like a huge Tesla fanboy.
Overpriced copycat? Talk about moronic. The are both EVs. Is that what Lucid copied? Cause otherwise, the exterior, interior, and battery tech are all completely different
Did you not even incorporate the rear cargo well of the Lucid for the cargo test? Seemed to maybe get an extra bag then. It really needs to be a wagon though, why would BEV buyers not want what is so popular with VW Passat, BMW 5, Skoda Superb, Ford Focus and Mondeo, Volvo 90 and Mercedes E-Class buyers? Is the BEV sedan to be everyones's 2nd or 3rd car? Nice and green. People with wagons often have no second car. They have a life and a family and needs more than status and virtues to signal.
People with spouses often have second cars. A sedan makes more sense as my primary car. And in real life, I've never hit a limitation for baggage space, either in the Model S or in the Lucid. That's even more true now that my kids are grown and long out of the house (except for my son, who lives and works overseas but whose SUV is parked in my driveway.) If I needed something else, I'd have something aside from a sedan as a second car. I've done that in the past when I had young children. Sedans still ride and handle better and made the most sense for companies like Lucid and Tesla to start out with as a premium vehicle. That's not to say that something like the Gravity won't be a better choice for many buyers. It will be and I expect it to outsell the Air by a huge margin.
I like things about the both, but having seen the Lucid in person, before knowing what it was my very first thought was "oh wow, Buick made an EV?" It's a very mature look, boring color palette, and while a nice stately sedan just isn't for me.
Lucid has had software problems. Do they have sentry, dashcam? Video watching? Games? updates? I would never buy a lucid. Their design of the sunshades with the puck in the middle of the windshield is stupid and a poor design versus the model X. Out of spec dave got rid of his lucid air which he was disappointed with and got a plaid x. He is much happier with it.
I'm pretty sure he said he loved the Lucid but was disappointed with the charging network. Important point of course, but a big difference. But I'm happy he's satisfied with "Plaidington"
We have a 2021 Model S Plaid and a 2022 Lucid Air Dream Performance. The software of the Lucid vastly improved with the October 2022 UX 2.0 changeover and subsequent updates (which are OTA, just as in the Tesla). Software features our Lucid has that our Tesla doesn't: Apple CarPlay support with Android on the way; birds-eye-view parking displays; accurate front camera distancing for parking; the ability to play a USB music stick when you're out of cell phone service areas; dual satellite map displays so that you can see different zoom levels simultaneously as you're homing in on a destination in a densely built-up area, or so that you can see both compass views and direction-of-travel views simultaneously; blind spot displays on the driver's binnacle closer to your line of sight than the center screen. Besides that, the turn signal stalks, the A/C toggle switches, and the manual HVAC vent adjustments are far easier to use in the Lucid than the Tesla, especially when the car is moving. We've driving Model S's since our first 2015 P90D. At this point, I actually prefer the total control suite of the Lucid over the Tesla.
Lucid’s lighting is fresh
super fresh
I've had my Air GT for almost 2 years now. Love the car, handling with the 21s is fantastic. Has never needed service.
the regen is awful, the worst regen of all EV
@@MaestroWenarto How so?
@@MaestroWenarto What are you talking about? Every review you can find that mentions the Air's regen brakes says that it has some of the strongest regen brakes you can get
@@MaestroWenarto Total balderdash, fanboy. We traded our 2015 Model S P90D for a 2021 Model S Plaid, and we also own a 2022 Lucid Air Dream Edition Performance. While the first Tesla was not capable of true one-pedal driving, the Plaid is . . . and its regen is virtually indistinguishable from the Air's. Both cars handle one-pedal driving smoothly and linearly and have absolutely seamless transitions from regenerative to friction braking when necessary.
If you want to sample abysmal regen braking, try a Mercedes EQS with that ridiculous system that moves the brake pedal on its own while in regenerative braking.
Great comparison! This gave me new insights into what Lucid has to offer. A very fair comparison, well done, Chris!
thanks bro!!! love your channel as well!
I have not owned any EV before so no attachment to brand, but having ridden on both, I would go for the Lucid.
Overall not a bad review, in fact quite fair. I have a Lucid Air GT, and I guarantee you I'm taller at 6'9" and don't have an issue what so ever with it. IMO everyone is stuck on the one trick pony of the Tesla which is...."I'm fast". Big deal. I've been driving EV's since 2012 and Range and Comfort are king for me. And Lucid dominates Tesla in both these areas. The ride of the Lucid is where it is at, where as not so much in a Tesla. Granted you were testing the Air Pure, and at the bottom of the line for Lucid, I'm in full agreement with you that more bells and whistles should be included for that price point.
Bottom line: Luxury, Comfort, Ride, Range and Exclusiveness is what I seek. In my section of town there must be 2 to 3 thousand Tesla's, but there are only 4 Lucid's, 3 GT's and 1 Dream Edition. I like that my Lucid turns heads, where as the Tesla is just another car on the road.
Good Luck and Nice Video.
I saw a Lucid Air the other day. It looks like a hypercar class luxury vehicle with the already iconic design and super cool lights unlike any other. .
@georgephillips3294 - I think it looks like a old Buick.
I'm not sure this review was "quite fair." In demonstrating rear seat room, the reviewer ran the front seat all the way back in the Lucid but all the way forward in the Tesla, thus creating the false impression that the back seat room was roughly equal between the two cars. Why would any even-handed reviewer do that? We own a 2021 Model S Plaid and a 2022 Lucid Air Dream Performance. The back seat of the Air is vastly roomier. With the driver seat in each car set to my preferred driving position, there is 9.5 inches more fore/aft legroom in the Air. When carrying adults in the rear, we invariably take the Air instead of the Tesla.
@@blakespringpasturemortimer9168 If I latched onto one thing on the review, then yeah, quite unfair. However, I looked at the overall review. Agreed, at 6'9", I still have a lot of leg room in the back seat of my Lucid, and if my guests knees are tilted up in the are a bit because I want greater range, then they shouldn't mind. And even if they do mind, tough! ;) I want that extra range.
@@terrytexas8257 Agreed it was just one thing in the review. However, running one seat all the way forward and one all the way back to do a rear seat comparison was not inadvertent. It was a deliberate effort to favor one car over the other . . . and that calls the reviewer's motives and objectivity into question. And, given how obvious it was, it's also an insult to the intelligence of the viewer.
i would choose the lucid air.
You have lack of intelligence
It's interesting that you tried out the rear seat of the Lucid with the front seat run all the way back, but you ran the front seat all the way forward to check out the Model S rear seat.
We have a 2021 Model S Plaid and a 2022 Lucid Air Dream Performance. With the driver seat set to my preferred driving position in each car, there is 9.5" more fore/aft legroom in the rear seat of the Lucid than in the Tesla. In terms of car interiors, that is a vast difference. In fact, if we're carrying adult friends with us, we invariably take the Air because of its much roomier interior. (I would also note that our Air has the larger battery pack, which does jack the knees up for rear seat passengers just as in the Model S. However, the Air Pure has the smaller battery pack which lowers the rear floorboard 3.15", further advancing the Air's rear seat comfort over the Model S.)
I really have to question why you would have positioned the front seats in the Tesla and the Lucid so differently in order to create the false impression that both cars have equal rear seat room and comfort. Owning both cars, I can assure you they do not.
Agreed. Pretty massive oversight and could be read as less-than-subtle bias. Hopefully that was not the intention, as there are many merits to both cars which make a comparison like this a completely fair fight. In the case of the Lucid, rear cabin space and legroom is considered one of its objective class-leading (industry-leading even) benefits. Don't believe me? Go to your local mall if you happen to live near one with both a Tesla and Lucid showroom and see for yourself. No further explanation required.
To measure rear legroom, you need to set the front seats in both cars to 40 inches and leave the seats fully upright. If you don't do that, the result is random nonsense. The Lucid unquestionably has more legroom than the Model S. It also has substantially more headroom in the rear.
When I got a Model S in 2014, Tesla still made a metal roof. I went with the glass roof since it had more rear headroom, not specifically for the sunroof. Lucid has more room with the glass roof, and supposedly even more with the metal one. So Lucid is going to give more comfort even with the seats all the way back.
In normal use with my seat in my normal setting, rear passengers get far more legroom in my Lucid. I still have the Tesla and I'm not hear to knock Tesla. It's still a good car, and still has a few features that Lucid needs to catch up on. But overall, I concur with all the others who own both (or who own a Lucid and owned a Model S in the past) that the Lucid is nicer overall.
The best way for anybody to decide is to test drive both. It was more dramatic for me since I own a Model S, and that meant ending my test drive in the Lucid and immediately getting back into my Model S to go home. But I'll still say that for practical purposes my Model S is far better than when it was new. That's thanks to hardware and software upgrades. Lucid already has the hardware to do what I see as missing in the software, but only time will tell.
I'll have a better idea in five years, as I do with the Tesla. I don't regret buying the Tesla one bit. The same is true with the Lucid, but I haven't had it long term.
Easy entry?
@@The._.Truth-.- Maybe, but both the Lucid and the Tesla have an easy entry/exit feature with the ability to deactivate it. To have it turned off in the Tesla and turned on in the Lucid when comparing legroom behind their front seats is sloppy reviewing at best and deliberate bias at worst.
It is super weird to see that the front seats in the Lucid were pushed all the way back and the Tesla seats were pushed forward. After re-watching that part of the video it's either 1 of 2 things - bias or a mistake. I think it's probably time for Everyday Chris to comment on it if he cares about his integrity. When there's 9 inches more legroom in one car than the other and a video says they are the same it either means that the reviewer is incapable of making an objective observation out of incompetence or they're incapable of making an objective observation.
I went with Lucid and got Air Touring. It's an amazing car.
Air Pure is also a great value for that insane range all Lucid Air models offer.
With the EV used market depreciating, one could also pick up a 2021 Tesla Model S Plaid for around $70,000. Mind blowing that the car was around $140,000 just a few years ago.
Imagine how those who bought it a few years ago feel like today
@@carlosnorris352 Probably pissed and driving it till the wheels fall off. The cars depreciated faster than most used cars.
@@kpboix99 I think mass production of batteries and other components will make the EVs on par with ICE counterparts soon. Whoever jumped early, paid the premium for the bragging rights.
@@carlosnorris352 yes that and also because these cars are more of tech devices than cars. Kind of like how the new iPhones come out better and better. Time makes them feel outdated with hardware that keeps getting better.
The plaid is still the fastest accelerating car in the world- insane value for $85,000
Lucid is a great company! My reasons for investing in Lucid are as follows: Their innovative designs and high-performance electric vehicles have already begun shaking up the industry. Secondly, they’ve demonstrated a commitment to advancing battery research and development. Their goal to become a global leader in electric transportation is a vision I truly believe in. A long time ago, I missed the opportunity to invest in Tesla, and now I regret it. The beginning for Lucid may be difficult, but the future looks bright.
Lucid is lucky to sell 9k cars per year.
Lucid air definitely
Great video! You mentioned putting golf clubs through the pass-through. In fact, a full set of clubs fits perfectly sideways in the trunk without having to use the pass-through.
Great review Chris. I'm in for the Tesla S, primarily for (in order) charging system and infrastucture, software (including FSD), versatility (hatchback for stowing a bike), overall power and the classic styling. I like the Lucids efficiency but the styling reminds be of what a Buick EV would look like. Way to mature for me. BTW planning to order an S next month and hope it will have a front bumper camera like the Cybertruck.
The lucid gravity also looks like a great competitor to the model x, if they actually produce them
Gravity will be a 2024 launch made it in Arizona!!!!!
Had a Tesla and now drive a Lucid. Liked the Tesla but love the Lucid.
Air for this old man!
lucid is beautiful !
Lucid looks great. I saw a two tone white one with the gray roof on the highway...looking awesome.
I'd get the Lucid.
Lucid, every day, all day.
Nope it’s too expensive
A good review. The Lucid is better looking than the Tesla.
So, if you are tall, a sedan is not good for you? Well, I drive large sedans without difficulty fitting in them comfortably.
Lucid is a much prettier car IMO. I own a Tesla (which I love) but sat in a Lucid and was really impressed with the luxury feel compared to Tesla. I hope Lucid makes it, they have the only battery and EV motor tech as good or better than Tesla.
Lets be honest, a glass roof in the summer means your head is getting cooked🔥 ... not a fan
Tesla now have the red on the screen for blind spots when switching lane which I definitely need 😅
Definitely prefer the Model S and it's not even close!
For all the leg room in the Lucid, I kept bumping ny head getting into the driver's seat. The stereo also absolutely sucks while the one in the Model S is pretty stellar. Does the Lucid's Nav work properly now?
The Lucid looks awesome, but I own a Tesla Model YLR and would go for the S over the Lucid. I don't like the fact that the back of the Lucid severely limits how many suitcases you can store in it (although the frunk is super large) and most importantly, the charging network. I'm sorry, Tesla got that right and I couldn't see myself doing any long distance driving and then having to rely on Electrify America or EVGo. Imagine having 12 miles of range left, you're at an EA charger and the next nearest charger is 50 miles away? I'd be praying to the charging gods to make it work!
We own a 2022 Lucid Air Dream Performance and a 2021 Model S Plaid (our second Tesla, replacing our 2015 P90D). There is nothing "severely limited" about how many suitcases you can put in the Lucid. There is a height restriction in the trunk of the Lucid, but that is not relevant for suitcases. Between its trunk and the enormous frunk (much larger than Tesla's), the Lucid has plenty of luggage space. Also, if you ever carry adults in the rear seat, the Lucid absolutely trounces the Model S. With the driver seat set to my preferred driving position in both cars, there is 9.5" more fore/aft legroom in our Lucid than in our Tesla. In terms of car interiors, that is a vast difference. And our Dream Edition has the larger battery pack. With the smaller pack in the Pure, the footwells are 3.15" deeper than in the Dream Edition, making the back seat even more comfortable.
Also, at almost 30,000 miles our Lucid is still rock solid. By 10,000 miles our Model S Plaid had developed squeaks and groans in the rear. Beyond this, the Lucid rides and handles much better and is quieter. While the Plaid is a tick quicker to 60 than the Air Dream (1,111 hp) due to its lighter weight, you cannot make full use of the Plaid's acceleration as the front end goes loose very quickly under hard acceleration. The Lucid stays much better planted, allowing you to use more of its prodigious power.
If you own a Model Y, I'm curious why you end up getting down to 12 miles of range left. I've gone that low in a Tesla, but generally because I knew that when I'd get home, I'd be able to charge. Also, there are enough Supercharger stations that if I calculated wrong, had a detour or anything else, there was a backup plan. In the earlier days, it might have been because there weren't enough Supercharger stations. In that situation, I made sure to find out where there were J1772 and destination chargers in the area where I'd be just in case.
In the early years of Tesla, I made sure to have more than enough range that I wouldn't end up with so little range unless there was no alternative. These days that's no longer a problem, and with the Lucid, there's so much range that I won't run that risk on road trips either. The longest I've driven in the past decade in a single day in a Tesla could be done in my Lucid on a single charge.
I unquestionably agree that Tesla has a better charging network. There are actually far more CCS stations, but they tend to have few chargers. If a station has four chargers in total, only two are 350kW, and one is out of service, there's a good chance that I'd be stuck waiting. In real life, I've never been stuck because I look at the apps, find a station that has working chargers available, and seeing broken ones in the same lot doesn't hurt me. The down side would be that if a navigator tells me where to stop on a 400 mile trip, information about how many chargers are available at a station 100 miles away is useless.
Also, the limitations I've seen have been with EA. My Tesla has free supercharging. I had a Model 3 that did not, and if I had bought a newer Tesla instead of the Lucid, it wouldn't have free Supercharging either. If I'm willing to pay for charging, I don't have to stick with EA just because it's free.
If you seriously want to compare the Lucid to a Model S, I'd suggest trying them both.
@@blakespringpasturemortimer9168 The P90D had less frunk space than the pre-D version, but in terms of the number of suitcases, that's different from the number of cubic feet. The extra space will hold specific sized objects, a typical suitcase not being one of them. I never hit a limitation with the Model S or with the Lucid in actual use. The new Model S has a lot less space than the P90D frunk. It does have the HEPA filter though. I've yet to drive through an area where that was a problem in the Lucid, but time will tell.
You are right about the backseat of the Lucid. And if people don't have rear passengers, it's a moot point since on both cars, the seats will fold down, giving more space for storage than I'd ever need.
As for acceleration, the Model S could beat a similarly priced Lucid in theory, but in practice on actual roads it won't matter. My wife drives the Model S now, and if you swapped out a P90 for a 90 or vice versa, she'd never notice the difference.
What I liked most about Tesla's 0-60 time wasn't that I had a practical need, but that since modern EVs were relatively new, Tesla needed to show that it could trounce the competition. Prior to that, EVs had a reputation of being slow, with limited storage space due to a trunk full of batteries, quirky, with very limited range and not for the average driver. Now it's a non-issue for me. I don't need to do 0-60 in under 3 seconds. The one time I tried launch mode in the Lucid, I eased up long before I got up to speed.
We just went to the Lucid showroom near us last Sunday for a test drive and presentation. We're more interested in the Gravity but we really like the Air Touring as well. Gonna be a hard decision when we order next spring.
Hmmm... there is more storage under the trunk space. There is a panel that opens up that would fit that bag.
Lucid >
Lucid is my new dream car. Can't wait.
the Lucid Air for the W
would choose the lucid air, way better car
😂😂 "Hey waddup, im in a Lucid Air!."
I think thats what anyone in an expensive luxury car is thinking whenever they are behind the wheel and have eye contact with anyone. 😅😊
Great review, Chris! I picked up a Model Y a few months back and absolutely lovei it. The Lucid looks cool but I still rather have a Tesla.
Lucid is luxurious, Tesla is a ev Honda civic 😂, don’t try and change my mind I worked at a lucid motors factor for about 6 months
Great review and a fair comparison! I have a Lucid Air touring and the storage space is incredible. I didn't see you using the sub trunk for the bags. I think it depends on your bags since the net capacity of the lucid is bigger you can fit more luggage but you might need to use different bags. So I think this point should go to the Air or at least be a tie.
You definitely missed the rear sub trunk in the lucid.
I chose the Lucid Air Grand Touring.
Lucid won the storage if you use the frunk and do not block the rear window
Lucid Sapphire stands alone. The quality is unmatched compared to any Tesla.
What people don’t realize is when you buy a Tesla, you’re not just getting the car, you’re getting a whole ecosystem which also includes the massive network of reliable superchargers.
Ehhh,, ill never see the tail lights of that model, cuz my model s will be so far ahead of it.. then i can count my 3grand while i wait for him 2 catch up. Lol. honestly it looks like a Buick.. plain outside..Model S is still sexy. I mean its all opinion based but still I think it looks a bit boring
I like both cars except the lack of color. As an older purchaser I am extremely bored with black, silver, white, charcoal, dark red, and dark blue. I'm also tired of black an gray interiors. A white interior is a deal breaker because of dust and grime. I know I'm dating myself, but in decades past we had not only many colors on exteriors, we also had colors on interiors that complimented the exteriors. Car companies used to offer all sorts of greens, blues, browns, gold, oranges, yellows, etc. Today it's all blah and boring.
When I got a Model S in 2014, I wanted to get a color that didn't make my car look like every other Tesla, not that there were so many back then. I went with green. I don't know if Tesla made more than 1000 of them before they discontinued the color. People who see the actual car like the color and I've gotten nothing but praise. It wasn't my initial choice though, and I changed it after the order was placed. Had Tesla sold cars off the lot the way other companies do, the color probably would have sold well. People will buy a car if they like the color. But if they get to order the car, they will pick a specific color, not an available one from the ones they like. So it was easier for Tesla to stick with the ones that people were most likely to order. These days they have a pretty boring color offering. Back then, they also had brown. It's not something that sounds like an appealing color to me, or something that I considered buying. But when I see Teslas in that color, which is very rare, they actually look very nice. I was in the rare position of having seen a green Tesla in the lot at the showroom. Most people who ordered a car never would have seen one.
Lucid gave me a better array of interior and exterior choices than Tesla. I had never bought a red car before but I like Lucid's red. It's not that the other colors look bad, but it's the lack of choice that bothers me.
love the video Chris! Do you ever plan on making an ultimate guide as to which model is best where you compare all of them? (3, S, X, Y) I am wondering which model is the best of the best, keep up the great work!
Thanks man! Thats tough because it’s different segments! But a great idea
Oh I'm sure haha, definitely not an easy topic to compress into a video, maybe just a broad not as detailed overview of each model, size, range, performance, comfort, enjoyability, etc. and rating that for each model, just an idea though!@@EverydayChris
I found the Model S to be slow and numb compared to my Corvette Grand Sport; also the Lucid you can adjust the 1-pedal firmness, the Tesla you cannot (it's hard regen only).
Model S no question. It’s reliable, much better looking, faster, more room, has the charging infrastructure, better tech, safe, cost less and Tesla is a smart, thriving business that will continue to lead the EV revolution and eventually be the wealthiest company in human history. Nuff said. 💯💯🎤
The lucid build quality is horrible. Was gonna get one. Got the 2023 Tesla model S the build quality is way better
So was Tesla at first. Still have issues.
😂 Wrong general conclusion. Bias!
We took delivery of a Model S Plaid in August 2021 (replacing our 2015 Model S P90D). We took delivery of a Lucid Air Dream Performance in December 2021. It was production number 154. The Tesla arrived with more quality issues than the Lucid. The yoke column squeaked in the Tesla and required repair. The driver side outside rearview mirror vibrated at speed and had to be replaced. Rubber covers fell off the trunk studs. The PPF applied ahead of the rear wheel wells was noticeably yellow on our white car (never addressed). Several chrome interior trim pieces were misaligned (never addressed). In fact, the 2021 Model S had more quality issues at delivery and in the first few months following than our 2015 Model S, which was actually pretty well built. Right now we're waiting to have the yoke on the Tesla replaced on March 18, as dime-sized plugs of the cover are peeling away and breaking off -- 3 so far. (We've had to wait for this replacement since late fall, as Tesla had to develop a different cover to deal with this widespread problem.)
Most importantly, at almost 30,000 miles, our Lucid remains quiet and rock solid. By 10,000 miles the Plaid developed squeaks and groans in the rear quarters.
We're getting a Lucid Gravity SUV Dream Edition as soon as they become available to replace our Honda Odyssey minivan. We will be getting rid of the Tesla at that point but keeping the Air.
You're delusional.
Lucid❤
I've owned a Tesla S, and while I loved driving the car, I was always disappointed in the build quality. I'm having a Lucid Touring (Black Stealth) delivered next week. I think the build quality is vastly superior and I'm excited about the potential extra range. I was an early adopter of Tesla, but not it doesn't now feel as distinctive for me. In fact, it seems Tesla has become the car of choice for many Uber drivers, which is great, but I don't think that's conducive for a luxury brand.
When I got my Model S, it had more than its share of problems on paper, if you count up the number of issues that needed service. But they all got taken care of under warranty and I had no issues after that. With the Lucid, I had a lengthy list of issues in the first couple of months, but I was able to get them taken care of in a single service visit.
Tesla's service used to be top notch. I'd get a Model S loaner, and Tesla would bring my car to my house and pick up the loaner after things were fixed. So there was far less inconvenience than with previous cars that had fewer issues on paper. That's especially true if you count service visits for oil changes, brake jobs, etc.
Lucid gave me a Grand Touring loaner, so it didn't much matter to me how long it took, since there was no extra inconvenience. But with both cars, the bottom line is that it's a handful of days over the life of the car. It's the day in and day out experience that counts. I think that Tesla's reputation for build quality issues is overblown.
You look old enough to remember the days when unreliable cars were the ones that stalled out regularly at intersections, broke down too often, might not start and needed lots of service. By that standard, buying an unreliable car was a problem compared to a reliable one of the era. By today's standards, "reliability" has little to do with day to day driving.
Great information! I would prefer Lucid but choice is always a positive! Tesla was the original and they serve two different markets, but I am rooting for Lucid to prosper not because I want tesla to fail, I want both to win!
When the Lucid Air was announced, I definitely saw it as geared toward a different market. At the time, whenever any company came out with an EV, somebody wrote an article about the next "Tesla killer." I was glad to see Lucid not going in that direction, and targeting premium cars as the competition. At the time, even though I thought that Lucid would make a nice car, I couldn't see myself not getting another Tesla.
What surprised me is how many Tesla owners and former Tesla owners are now getting Lucids, myself included. I still agree with the part about two different markets. Tesla doesn't have anything that competes with the Air. I still have a Model S and it's still a nice car, but it comes down to what a buyer wants.
I do like the Lucid, but until it has NACS, wouldn’t consider. A sapphire though, yes.
haha we'd all love the sapphire
Tesla doesn't have any v4 superchargers in the US, and they don't seem to be making much progress there, so it's actually better to have CCS for cars that run higher voltages like the lucid, since they won't be able to efficiently use tesla's charging network even with NACS. All of tesla's v3 superchargers are too slow to fully capitalize on lucid's charging speed potential so there won't be much reason to use them unless you absolutely have to.
Lucid much better. Miles,power and luxury
It depends on the driving habits that depicts the mileage though.
With a way way higher price. So what you expect then?. 🤔🙄🚶♂️🚶♂️
And yet how many do you see on the road vs tesla's?
More money, more quality. What you expect? 🤔
@@joebrdr 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡 how many years tesla been on the roads 🤡🤭
the lucid infotainment is a deal breaker though. what am I supposed to do while charging?
The most expensive tesla you can buy would be the fully equipped model x at 115k (minus FSD), the cheapest lucid goes for 80k, lucid focuses on luxary while tesla focuses on speed, the lucid air sapphire which is 1/10th of a second faster than the model s plaid on paper is more than 2x the price, so they are in totally different price brackets
you can get the cheapest lucid for 69k now
Pure is now 70k.
Loaded Grand Touring (after rebates) is now 110k.
So very much the same price point if yiu exclude the Sapphire
I think Lucid will wind up being a technology development and licensing company that also happens to make some cars. Their tech is really impressive and I think they'll have trouble scaling past 100k cars/year. Meanwhile I read they have a deal with Hyundai to supply motors. I currently have a Model S but it would be nice to own a car not made by someone who rage fires his best employees and then craps on the state that made him rich.
Very good coverage of the important things I'd want to know as a buyer
The rear passenger space in the Lucid is orders of magnitude more comfortable and spacious than the Model S. You had the S front seats moved all the way forward, and the Air seats moved all the way backward. Not a particularly fair comparison.
The Air is positively cavernous.
Who rides in their back seat?
The Pure needs to have DreamDrive PRO to actually keep the car centered in the lane. That is a 10k upgrade. Also it costs 115k over here (NL). It does come standard with Autopark, however due to EU legislation it might not work that good (can't confirm). A Model S currently goes for 95K. The Model S is significantly faster. Lucid looks a bit more luxury, but no glass roof???
I regret buying my Tesla as much as I love it. Lucid is just better quality.
Lucid Airs dont come with EA charging anymore as of June.
Spectrum is like the busiest charging station in SoCal lol..
Lucid all the way🎉
Tesla's engineer left Tesla and started his on company Lucid
I like the effort that both Lucid and Rivian put into their vehicles. I wonder if there are any opportunities for them to share some of their best tech & features with each other, as well as combine certain manufacturing processes/R&D to benefit from economies of scale in order to better compete with the likes of Tesla and BYD. Partnerships can be difficult at the best of times, but the difficult road ahead could be eased with some level of cooperation that stops short of a full merger so their unique offerings & identities continue to exist.
OTHER CARS WITH CCS PORTS ON TESLAS NETWORK IS NOT GOING TO BE ALL IT IS CRACKED UP TO BE. Others non teslas will not be able to charge at all supercharger stations. They have mentioned the number which is about half. That is because the protocall for ccs is different and the gen previous gen superchargers gen 2? (150kw) can not support the protocall differences. Only the newer stalls gen 3 (250kw) stall can support ccs equipped cars. That may be different if you buy a newer car once they put the nacs plug and hardware in but for the older ccs cars, no. Plus the ccs cars with an adapter may also be limited (will be probably) by the adapter and will not be able to charge and higher rates. If you buy a ccs car once you can use teslas network, it may be dissapointing. Unless tesla replaces equipment on the older superchargers which they will probably not do. the other cars will just have to suffer. Also Tesla may not make all stalls available to other cars versus teslas.
Tesla’s simple interior is timeless.
Lol timelessly dull and boring I've never been in a tesla and felt like I was in something special or expensive. Plus the lucid actually looks futurstic and head turning
Ahh, no, not timeless at all. I have a performance Model 3. Steering wheel and an iPad thingee. OK, but not to exciting.
@@ethnographic1 And now look at any other car from 2016 in comparison today...
@ethnographic1 look at the old model 3s, the average person would never know the difference
those futuristic things inside that lucid will look old 10 yrs from now. My old ice car is experiencing the same, has a lot of fancy stuff inside than a Tesla, 80% I don’t even touch. But it’s subjective.
Thank you for the great reviews of items I can't afford. Sub!
Lucid!
Lucid will have the NAS electrical connection for charging next year, but unless Tesla retrofits many of its 500 volt superchargers with the 1000 volt type 4 superchargers, then the NAS plug is kinda pointless. The Lucid’s built in voltage booster will increase the existing Supercharger’s 500 volts up to around 1000 volts for charging , but the Lucid built in electronics will limit the maximum charging kilowatts to approximately 50 kWh’s. I’m not aware of any plans for Lucid to modify their cars to allow for higher speed DC charging when connected to less than 1000 volt chargers…. Pity
Great in-depth comparison video between them. Well done! Hope you can do video on the Lucid Gravity, looks cool!
Aren't you comparing two vehicles with substantial price difference?
Nope! Same exact price almost
If pure value choice it's a no brainer for Model S.
Depends on what you value. Just cash? Yes, the Model S is cheaper. But, so is a Civic.
For the luggage test, just wondering, could you have fit three by turning two sideway and one straight in the trunk?
Nice comparison 👍🏽
Lucid definitely more luxurious
Fun and entertaining video on two interesting cars. The biggest drawback for both is price, Ouch! But if someone left me a few million dollars, I would choose the Tesla, with reservations only about one thing, the driver's interface with the car. No stalks, no steering wheel, you have to shift direction with a flick of a finger on the screen?
However the main thing about the Tesla Model S that bugs me is the Yoke steering wheel, I can put up with the other control omissions. I noticed that you had to grab the corner of the wheel while making a turn into a side road. I know people can adapt to something different and new, but why Mr. Musk? Why reinvent the wheel? Anyway, I would go with the Tesla product, minus the Yoke. I think that the software and the power train of the Tesla has proven its worth compared with all other car manufacturers that still have their training wheels on concerning EVs.
You can get the Tesla without the yoke. I don't like the idea of the lack of stalks, and my Model S has stalks, but I've learned not to prejudge without firsthand experience. I still like my Lucid better.
Model S and Model X is the forgotten child of Telsa:)
Elaborate..plz
Before the Model 3 came out, there were people who posted that it would cannibalize sales of the Model S. In a sense, that was true. The S/X sold over 100,000 in 2017. The numbers are way down. But since coming out with newer models put total production in the millions per year, it was still the right choice. Had Tesla stuck with the S and X as their entire lineup, they might have improved both tremendously by now. But they'd be worse off overall.
nice review... But 4.5-5.0 inches of ground clearance for both of these vehicles is miniscule and absurd for any BEV maker: it places the battery pack too close to the ground, and such clearance will ensure lots of scraping the ground (driveway dips, speedbumps, etc.) almost everywhere, potentially damaging the support around the battery pack. I would not consider a BEV with less than 7 inches of ground clearance.
You can raise the suspension on the Tesla.
It's fairly standard ground clearance and places with speed bumps would be in trouble if they didn't account for it. Unlike an ICEV, with a differential or exhaust system hanging lower than most of the vehicle, I never had that problem in an EV.
Great review Chris. I have to say that for me the awkward Trunk and charging issues with the Lucid take it off the table for me. I want the Model S performance and space and Tesla charging network. Maybe when the Lucid has built in NACS, Thx
Yeah soon!
Oh, the driver profile change on the lucid air is soooooo slow shown by out of spec dave. Took 15 seconds. What a joke. Their software is old school and out of date. Could not give me a lucid. I would sell it for cash to buy a tesla.
You still stuck in the past you saw old videos of old software
ok tesla boy
@stalin1489 - He's right though. Tesla's software and architecture is much better than Lucid's.
It is slower than with the Tesla. But for me, it's a non issue. It's not 15 seconds, but most people don't constantly change profiles. I have a car that I drive primarily and so does my wife. If I drive her Model S, the profile switch is fast. With the Lucid, it should recognize my fob or phone as I approach and shouldn't be an issue.
@@ronin7645 i know teslas software is better and more smooth. I'm just mocking his smugness. the way he said "could not give him lucid" lol
I will take the Lucid over the Tesla. Besides, this is Lucid’s first production car, and we know they will get even better as they update their range of cars. And they have better efficiency and better quality than the Tesla in my opinion. The Tesla model S is the only good looking car they have.
The Lucid is Sexy , beautiful lights
In the Model S your knees are much higher above the bum, right? In the Pure there are no batteries under the rear footwell to improve seating comfort which fitting the "smaller" battery version that STILL goes further than Model S in highest range spec.
woah ur getting a cybertruck? noiceeeee
Good luck! 🤪
Lucid👍, but I'm missing Tesla model S trunk hatchback space. If Lucid change it to hatchback it would Be perfect
Lucid is nicer imo but still both are nice. I did however hear a lot about Tesla fit and finish quality. The lucid just looks like a better car overall but it's more expensive. I will say this though
,I wouldn't buy a lucid just because of the visibility issues. I can't stand feeling crammed in a car
I find the visibility better in the Lucid. Also, the visibility with the side cameras is far better than I'd get in any car with a side mirror or looking over my shoulder. And Lucid did a better job of putting the camera displays in the right place. I wouldn't feel comfortable in a Model S without a rear view camera, and Tesla left out basic things like blind spot indicators on the side view mirrors. The Model 3 is far worse. The Lucid is also far more roomy than the Tesla. That's especially true in the rear. Standard comparisons are done with the front seats of cars set at 40 inches. This shows the Lucid with the seat all the way back rather than with the same front room as in the Tesla at the time of the measurement.
LUCID❕👍
I build lucids everyday🫡✅ quality control on top! Best quality EV EVER!💪 here in casa grande az
Checks signed by MBS?
all I care about is a lot of Headroom I'm going to need it lol
My vote -- Tesla all the way.
If only the for-fathers of the early cars could see how far they've come...
Although given its similar in price with this model...its really cool and not bad. But aside from the lights it got nothing on tesla. Give me the model S or X all day everyday
It's got a better ride, a quieter cabin, and better ergonomics for the most part. It still has its share of annoyances that Lucid will need to address. Tesla went through the same thing. I watched those issues go away on a Tesla over the course of a decade. Hopefully, Lucid can do better, but they weren't show stoppers for me.
Tesla Baby !!
I've never driven the Pure but have driven the other models and they drive & feel so much better than Tesla models. I could be wrong but you seem like a huge Tesla fanboy.
Lucid makes great vehicles, but we dont’ really know if the company is financially viable in the long run. As such, I would not buy one.
Lucid All Day
They are on an other level
i have a tesla but yes that lucid is on another level
Nope
I own 2 Tesla cars.. will never buy or recommend overpriced copy cat Lucid cars.. management is terrible too
Overpriced copycat? Talk about moronic. The are both EVs. Is that what Lucid copied? Cause otherwise, the exterior, interior, and battery tech are all completely different
I expect Polestar to be better because it is cheaper, efficient, has high quality, longer range, and modern design
Tesla is only opening up 12,000 superchargers to other companies, the rest of their chargers will be Tesla only.
So what happens when the SA money stops?
Did you not even incorporate the rear cargo well of the Lucid for the cargo test? Seemed to maybe get an extra bag then.
It really needs to be a wagon though, why would BEV buyers not want what is so popular with VW Passat, BMW 5, Skoda Superb, Ford Focus and Mondeo, Volvo 90 and Mercedes E-Class buyers? Is the BEV sedan to be everyones's 2nd or 3rd car? Nice and green. People with wagons often have no second car. They have a life and a family and needs more than status and virtues to signal.
People with spouses often have second cars. A sedan makes more sense as my primary car. And in real life, I've never hit a limitation for baggage space, either in the Model S or in the Lucid. That's even more true now that my kids are grown and long out of the house (except for my son, who lives and works overseas but whose SUV is parked in my driveway.) If I needed something else, I'd have something aside from a sedan as a second car. I've done that in the past when I had young children.
Sedans still ride and handle better and made the most sense for companies like Lucid and Tesla to start out with as a premium vehicle. That's not to say that something like the Gravity won't be a better choice for many buyers. It will be and I expect it to outsell the Air by a huge margin.
I like things about the both, but having seen the Lucid in person, before knowing what it was my very first thought was "oh wow, Buick made an EV?" It's a very mature look, boring color palette, and while a nice stately sedan just isn't for me.
I’m still love Tesla
Lucid has had software problems. Do they have sentry, dashcam? Video watching? Games? updates? I would never buy a lucid. Their design of the sunshades with the puck in the middle of the windshield is stupid and a poor design versus the model X. Out of spec dave got rid of his lucid air which he was disappointed with and got a plaid x. He is much happier with it.
I'm pretty sure he said he loved the Lucid but was disappointed with the charging network. Important point of course, but a big difference. But I'm happy he's satisfied with "Plaidington"
We have a 2021 Model S Plaid and a 2022 Lucid Air Dream Performance. The software of the Lucid vastly improved with the October 2022 UX 2.0 changeover and subsequent updates (which are OTA, just as in the Tesla). Software features our Lucid has that our Tesla doesn't: Apple CarPlay support with Android on the way; birds-eye-view parking displays; accurate front camera distancing for parking; the ability to play a USB music stick when you're out of cell phone service areas; dual satellite map displays so that you can see different zoom levels simultaneously as you're homing in on a destination in a densely built-up area, or so that you can see both compass views and direction-of-travel views simultaneously; blind spot displays on the driver's binnacle closer to your line of sight than the center screen. Besides that, the turn signal stalks, the A/C toggle switches, and the manual HVAC vent adjustments are far easier to use in the Lucid than the Tesla, especially when the car is moving. We've driving Model S's since our first 2015 P90D. At this point, I actually prefer the total control suite of the Lucid over the Tesla.