I absolutely love what the car community is doing with EV conversions. So many great ideas of ways to reuse old components instead of ending up in a landfill
@@billybobbob3003there are factory EV cars that do 258 mph top speed, and a simple Plaid will do 2.3 0-60 and a low 9 sec quarter mile. And that’s stock, so modified it would do much better, there are sub 2 second 0-60 cars. I like the K24, but you’re a little heavy on the hyperbole.
@@miragesmack007 might wanna look up k24 doing 1/4 mile in 5 seconds no EV on the planet can touch that modified or not. Not to mention there is naturally aspirated k24s running 8 seconds.
85' Pontiac Fiero SE 2M6 was my first car. Thank you for keeping the integrity and style of this beautiful vehicle. You can tell a lot of love and appreciation went into this build. Enjoy it!
That was one of my best friend’s first cars in high school, too. An 85 SE 2M6 the same color red with a 4-speed. I drove the car many times, it was such a visceral car. The unique sounds of the plastic doors and hatches closing, the unique exhaust sound, the feel sitting in the seat and the tall, longesh-throw, notchy 4-speed shifter. I’m with you, i am so impressed that they incorporated the original looks and feel of the original Fiero into this, especially the gauges and keeping the exhaust tips. Electric or not. This is one beautiful Fiero in its own right but when you think about how different it is while looking so stock, it’s just amazing. My only somewhat of a concern is that they did this to what was such an extremely well preserved, low-mileage 5-speed GT car but it is so awesome, I guess I can give them a pass on that.
@16:05 - 140hp, 170ft lbs. (for 1985) -- Sounds horrible, but for that time period in a car that weighed ~2700lbs it wasn't bad. Bought my first one in '85. Have had dozens over the years with almost every engine someone could stuff in it. I'm down to ONLY two now! :D
I had an 86 SE with the V6 and it could keep up with the Trans-Ams from the same era especially in the corners. I did it a few times and the Trans-Am guy would always be surprised.
Holy crap that's brilliant. I was going to say set up a speaker system for fake engine noise pumped through the exhaust tips, but I like bubbles more. :)
I had a Honda del dol si in my early twenties and still think about that car. I would love a converted one. A modernized 200 hp rwd with a 40-50kwh battery pack would be awesome. Exciting times ahead.
@@ClassicEVConversions No worries. I wouldn't have bothered commenting if I didn't enjoy the video. 🙂 I used to drive past the Fiero plant every day on my way to school. It's too bad they killed off that car in '88 right after spending millions on the suspension redesign. It was an awesome car after that.
Very good job. Love the philosophy & the final result. A lot of classic cars are classic because of their design but their engines were garbage. Keeping them alive and kicking with modern guts is a good thing. Subscribed.
12:00 get some addressable LEDs in those vestigial tail pipes stat! hahaha make them light up or change colour with speed or some other condition... charge? IDK
I was going to add a similar comment, but you beat me to it. They could either function as additional running-lights, or could change color or pattern (I'm thinking concentric rings) with throttle position/load. 😀
I’m planning on an 85 GT EV swap myself, notch back for less weight. I’m obsessed with the weight, where did you all end up compared to stock, of total if you know, plus f/r bias as well. I’m not going for 100% stock appearance like you, so have reduction options that you don’t. Still sorting out the powertrain direction, but would love to know the weight gain you have alluded to. Very nice work, looks great.
Really cool. A good looking car (if you like 80s cars) which was way underpowered. Now it has the power it deserves and more. It makes sense and it looks cool in my opinion.
It's great that converted EVs are so much better built than EVs from the 80s, 90s, and 2000s. So many of those cars didn't even put the batteries in an enclosure. I still have reservations about putting the batteries in crumple zones though. Still probably safer than 90% of classic cars...
It probably has more range now than it did on the tiny fuel tank it originally came with 😃. I had a red 86GT notchback for my first car. This looks awesome! Great job guys.
I've never heard of a Fiero blowing-up. The 4-cyl leaking hot oil past it's original rocker cover gasket, causing a fire... yeah. And the V-6: Praise only...! But blowing-up? No... that's a misnomer, brought on by lack of information, much like with the safety of Pintos--especially the wagon-style bodied ones--built AFTER the model-year of the one that had such poor safety test results. Be smart, people... know your stuff!😡
Tesla chargers are DC Fast which we don't currently have this car configured for (AC charging only). We are using the Tesla onboard charger, but had to utilize an aftermarket board to make it work.
Yes the American mr2 answer and very fun little cars to drive! I had a 86gt v6 5-speed once upon a time lowered on gold 17s with a killer home made sound system, dynomatted the whole interior, had a ps2 in it with wireless controllers, flip down screen etc. Imo though it's better suited to a small pack with a tesla 3 du especially one from a new 2024 m3p with 408hp. 👍🏻😀
Check out Ron Grosinger's 88 GT conversion, I can only find one video on it. For others interested in Tim's car, also check out "The hottest Pontiac Fiero in the world" - Gas N Go with Snow
I’m planning one myself, but you would be wrong about folks being upset. The Fiero community as a whole doesn’t like them. They prefer the super charge six conversion, or the LS conversions, some of which have 800+ HP. I’m doing an EV swap just to say I did. I’m not a huge EV fan, but I can’t complain about something I know little of, the only problem is the cost, they are a lot of money for all the issues they present. As a diy guy I’m speaking.
Electric Fiero EV... there was one in the Naked Gun movies... had solar panels on it. The same car was also feature in a drama TV series... I do not know the name but one episode it was featured as "The Solar" and the executives were corrupt, they couldn't figure out how to recharge the batteries and did not want the investors to know.
Tail pipes could be turned into turbine generators via simple fairings and duct work and also act as a cooling system for the battery and motor.😐*chews potato chip*
@@ClassicEVConversions - Not bad! The stock cast iron V6 IS (was) a heavy pig for what it was. You're a little light on the nose now if you ever get the chance to move stuff forward. They get kind of 'dancy' at high speeds from front end lift.
It won’t be much less expensive, and take a while to do it as a diy guy. I’m hoping it’s 2-3 years max once I start. I’m seeing used Teslas in the $15,000 range, a little more for better examples. They have horrible resale, so it’s cheaper to get into one now.
I have a Lamborghini bodied Fiero with a blown engine. Would an electric conversion work on my kitcar. If so, where would I purchase a tesla EV conversion kit for a Fiero based car. I would not need more than 250 mile battery range and top speed of at least 125 miles an hour.
And the Tesla when it was brand new I think that was only good for about 275 mi range with a small motor. You don't know how much charging capacity the battery has lost. Also I feel like the fierros probably less aerodynamic. I think most of the 85 KW batteries had actually about 77.5 kilowatts. Even if it's fiero could push 4 MI per kilowatt that would barely get it over 300 MI. The thing that surprises me more is that it takes 5 seconds to get to 60.
Always wanted an 88 GT (best year due to the redesigned suspension) and engine swap it with an LT swap, or even an L67 SII. But this, this EV swap, is *sick!*
That was in our initial thinking too, but the area is not as big as you think. They just don't fit. Remember, they only fit about 9-gallons of gas in that tunnel! We utilized the tunnel for low-voltage electronics and BMS.
Wow electric is sure moving slowly, I thought by now there would be several decent aftermarket conversion electric motor companies so this would be pretty simple, having to use Tesla donors is ridiculous this makes wrecked Teslas worth as much as new ones. The cost makes this process just a novelty for the wealthy or for really smart guys like you all.
@@ClassicEVConversions Conversion looks pretty good. There is definitely alot of work and engineering involved. If I had the money to burn I would even consider a Fiero Plaid Set Up for extra cost HA HA
I had an 88 Fiero GT. It was way down on power with a measly 140 HP V6, but that wasn't the point. It handled great, it could dart from corner to corner, and it was fun to try to get the most out of it by shifting aggressively. You've ruined that by saddling it with a 1000 pound battery and a one speed transmission. You've missed the point, totally.
We hear you - it was fun to drive with that measly V6 and sounded great from the cockpit during that aggressive shifting. Come visit us and you can drive it - we think you'll like it! 🙂
and im sorry, this is unique but this doesn't OUT DUE a 3800 s2 supercharged fiero but kudos to uniqueness i had a 400hp fiero 2400pds wet with 315 rear tires and heavy duty rear springs, it was quick and fast even in stock but with some headers CAI some msd packs and iridium splugs and tuned it moved averaging over 34mpg at 60mph, sold it for 6300usd best sports care i ever had had 80s synth vibe and seat headrest speakers was the best
Cool project, but violating a practically new 14K miles 88 GT is a travesty. You shouldn't have sacrificed a mint, collectible and rare survivor like this.
Did anyone hear what the effective operating range of it is? Because I sure didn't... and if it's not terribly "acceptably" big--as high or higher than the car it's components were sourced from--then what's the point other than just essentially making an inner-city car with "Look... we made it electric!" bragging rights?😕
It was bland when it was new. Chevy Chevette suspension and all that stuff...it was designed as a economical, 4-cylinder, two-seat commuter car. It wasn't much of a sports car back i the '80s. I would imagine that a new EV would have more accelerative capability that this, but this EV conversion can likely out-accelerate one of those Fieros with the Cadillac V8 swaps (those are cool). Least a car company couldn't spy on it, and it won't have access to the driver's phone through the car's infotainment system.
This car is now MUCH better than it was when it was new.
I agree
I absolutely love what the car community is doing with EV conversions. So many great ideas of ways to reuse old components instead of ending up in a landfill
turbo honda k24 would of been a far better swap. k24's beat the fastest ev's on the planet.
@@billybobbob3003there are factory EV cars that do 258 mph top speed, and a simple Plaid will do 2.3 0-60 and a low 9 sec quarter mile. And that’s stock, so modified it would do much better, there are sub 2 second 0-60 cars. I like the K24, but you’re a little heavy on the hyperbole.
@@miragesmack007 might wanna look up k24 doing 1/4 mile in 5 seconds no EV on the planet can touch that modified or not. Not to mention there is naturally aspirated k24s running 8 seconds.
Beautiful job!
Will done
Me, staring at the fiero in the driveway, hmm....
Do it! For me! Always wanted one but we dont have them here
This is what a Fiero was always meant to be!
Wow this reminds me of my 88 Fiero GT, best car ever.
Would be nice to get back into a Fiero with the EV bits
85' Pontiac Fiero SE 2M6 was my first car. Thank you for keeping the integrity and style of this beautiful vehicle. You can tell a lot of love and appreciation went into this build. Enjoy it!
That was one of my best friend’s first cars in high school, too. An 85 SE 2M6 the same color red with a 4-speed.
I drove the car many times, it was such a visceral car. The unique sounds of the plastic doors and hatches closing, the unique exhaust sound, the feel sitting in the seat and the tall, longesh-throw, notchy 4-speed shifter.
I’m with you, i am so impressed that they incorporated the original looks and feel of the original Fiero into this, especially the gauges and keeping the exhaust tips.
Electric or not. This is one beautiful Fiero in its own right but when you think about how different it is while looking so stock, it’s just amazing.
My only somewhat of a concern is that they did this to what was such an extremely well preserved, low-mileage 5-speed GT car but it is so awesome, I guess I can give them a pass on that.
@16:05 - 140hp, 170ft lbs. (for 1985) -- Sounds horrible, but for that time period in a car that weighed ~2700lbs it wasn't bad. Bought my first one in '85. Have had dozens over the years with almost every engine someone could stuff in it. I'm down to ONLY two now! :D
I had an 86 SE with the V6 and it could keep up with the Trans-Ams from the same era especially in the corners. I did it a few times and the Trans-Am guy would always be surprised.
I had a GT.... It felt quite quick at the time. It was definitely more about the Twisties though.
You know what must happen with the exhaust tips now... you must put a bubble machine in each side.
fact
😂
Holy crap that's brilliant. I was going to say set up a speaker system for fake engine noise pumped through the exhaust tips, but I like bubbles more. :)
Something would be good. Light, bubbles, both, misc.
Factory 0-60 on the 1988 GT was 8.0s - not fast but not a slouch, especially for the time. But 5 seconds is quick by any yardstick.
I had a Honda del dol si in my early twenties and still think about that car. I would love a converted one. A modernized 200 hp rwd with a 40-50kwh battery pack would be awesome. Exciting times ahead.
18:08 No, it's a *steel* chassis with a (fiberglass reinforced) plastic body.
Indeed. Just misspoke, sorry.
@@ClassicEVConversions No worries. I wouldn't have bothered commenting if I didn't enjoy the video. 🙂
I used to drive past the Fiero plant every day on my way to school. It's too bad they killed off that car in '88 right after spending millions on the suspension redesign. It was an awesome car after that.
My college car back in 2007 all the way to 2014, was a 1988 Fiero GT. Loved that car! I drive a Tesla Model 3 Performance these days.
Damn it, I miss my Fiero. This looks amazing!
You guys have wicked mad skills. Looks awesome. Your attention to detail is amazing
11:27 Purple Rain: Prince, Journey?, Peter Gabriel: Plays Live, and Fleetwood Mac: Rumours - nice! Oh and pretty awesome ⚡Fiero too!
Very good job. Love the philosophy & the final result. A lot of classic cars are classic because of their design but their engines were garbage.
Keeping them alive and kicking with modern guts is a good thing. Subscribed.
Thanks, ;-)
I love, love, love the analog gauges.
This is incredible! Well done guys. Now do a hover conversion.
I had 2 Fieros in the 1990’s, SE and 2M4. Loved them. This is a really cool project!
Amazing job on this build. So slean :D WOuld love to see a 1985 Firebird build
Great idea. This is what I want to do to a Fiero ❤❤
12:00 get some addressable LEDs in those vestigial tail pipes stat! hahaha make them light up or change colour with speed or some other condition... charge? IDK
I was going to add a similar comment, but you beat me to it. They could either function as additional running-lights, or could change color or pattern (I'm thinking concentric rings) with throttle position/load. 😀
I’m planning on an 85 GT EV swap myself, notch back for less weight. I’m obsessed with the weight, where did you all end up compared to stock, of total if you know, plus f/r bias as well. I’m not going for 100% stock appearance like you, so have reduction options that you don’t. Still sorting out the powertrain direction, but would love to know the weight gain you have alluded to. Very nice work, looks great.
3500 pounds.
Very professional installation.
Really cool. A good looking car (if you like 80s cars) which was way underpowered. Now it has the power it deserves and more. It makes sense and it looks cool in my opinion.
It's great that converted EVs are so much better built than EVs from the 80s, 90s, and 2000s. So many of those cars didn't even put the batteries in an enclosure. I still have reservations about putting the batteries in crumple zones though. Still probably safer than 90% of classic cars...
I want to do this to my daily driver 1st gen Chevy S10 blazer!!!!
We have a "91 S10 in the shop now - getting a RWD 600HP Tesla conversion. Another S10 (but 4wd) scheduled for a conversion in the fall.
@@ClassicEVConversions Awesome! Cant wait to see it!!! 600? Is that motors from the PLAID?
It probably has more range now than it did on the tiny fuel tank it originally came with 😃. I had a red 86GT notchback for my first car. This looks awesome! Great job guys.
It does! A full tank would get me about 215 miles. A full charge takes me to 250.
nothing like fieros. a very fun car to drive anyway u like. I currently own an 86 gt auto. so fun. excellent on the ev conversion.
Fantastic looking car, and now faster then originally
Loved the Fiero. Loved the Buick Regal. This show is fantastic.
I don’t know if anyone has asked but what is the approximate cost of the conversion excluding donor car price. Awesome work
" if you have to ask ......."
I'm in the same boat as I have to ask as well lol 😂.
that car is begging for led lights
This car was at this year's Denver Auto Show. I regret not asking how they remade the taillights to say 'electric' as they look brand new.
Ok now that is a cool idea!
Very cool! It's looks a Matchbox car but XXL size 🤣
Absolutely gorgeous conversation 😎⚡️ Funny side node is that even guys who do EV conversations mix up Power (kW) end energy (kWh) 😉
Yes, we incorrectly shorten this when speaking sometimes...
Suspension rework and comma ai self driving, you would be there. Awesome
Can't fix terrible, the suspension
Should put speakers in the exhaust pipes for sound. You can pick any car sound.
I've never heard of a Fiero blowing-up. The 4-cyl leaking hot oil past it's original rocker cover gasket, causing a fire... yeah. And the V-6: Praise only...! But blowing-up? No... that's a misnomer, brought on by lack of information, much like with the safety of Pintos--especially the wagon-style bodied ones--built AFTER the model-year of the one that had such poor safety test results. Be smart, people... know your stuff!😡
Could you explain why you couldn’t use the Tesla onboard charge controller and even go to Tesla chargers? I didn’t understand that. Thanks
Tesla chargers are DC Fast which we don't currently have this car configured for (AC charging only). We are using the Tesla onboard charger, but had to utilize an aftermarket board to make it work.
There's a guy in Toney, Alabama with a bunch of Fieros. A few years ago he had over 100 but I think he only has 25ish now. I expect you may know him?
Super cool! 💯
Yes the American mr2 answer and very fun little cars to drive! I had a 86gt v6 5-speed once upon a time lowered on gold 17s with a killer home made sound system, dynomatted the whole interior, had a ps2 in it with wireless controllers, flip down screen etc.
Imo though it's better suited to a small pack with a tesla 3 du especially one from a new 2024 m3p with 408hp. 👍🏻😀
Always loved the looks of the Fiero, but the performance was lacking. Looked into V8 swaps. May have to do a Tesla swap!
Solid!! And another Colorado shop, Nice.
dont worry there's more coming!!!
Check out Ron Grosinger's 88 GT conversion, I can only find one video on it.
For others interested in Tim's car, also check out "The hottest Pontiac Fiero in the world" - Gas N Go with Snow
Bring the self driving trans am. The actual Fiero when released as an electrified version will be great.
The perfect conversion platform ... Not a single petrolhead will feel bad about it.
I’m planning one myself, but you would be wrong about folks being upset. The Fiero community as a whole doesn’t like them. They prefer the super charge six conversion, or the LS conversions, some of which have 800+ HP. I’m doing an EV swap just to say I did. I’m not a huge EV fan, but I can’t complain about something I know little of, the only problem is the cost, they are a lot of money for all the issues they present. As a diy guy I’m speaking.
I love that car
This is what the EV1 should have been.
I want a conversion that uses the old exhaust for cooling or something 12:30
An EV should look like this. And it would sell fast.
Any car you can get a full tank at home is got to be great.
Infinitely better than an exotic replica Fiero.
Electric Fiero EV... there was one in the Naked Gun movies... had solar panels on it. The same car was also feature in a drama TV series... I do not know the name but one episode it was featured as "The Solar" and the executives were corrupt, they couldn't figure out how to recharge the batteries and did not want the investors to know.
I love ev so much keep on the pressure ev revolution is the best revolution
That’s effin cool
I still want to get a 13b into mine.
That's a beautiful Fiero
Tail pipes could be turned into turbine generators via simple fairings and duct work and also act as a cooling system for the battery and motor.😐*chews potato chip*
Curious what the total weight, and what the bias is?
It's up to 3500 pounds with about 45%F, 55%R.
@@ClassicEVConversions - Not bad! The stock cast iron V6 IS (was) a heavy pig for what it was. You're a little light on the nose now if you ever get the chance to move stuff forward. They get kind of 'dancy' at high speeds from front end lift.
A possible good, and less expensive alternative to purchasing a new EV. I’ll go for it.
It won’t be much less expensive, and take a while to do it as a diy guy. I’m hoping it’s 2-3 years max once I start. I’m seeing used Teslas in the $15,000 range, a little more for better examples. They have horrible resale, so it’s cheaper to get into one now.
Mine just sits after I found that the insulation makes me break out in rashes. I wish I could swap mine out for a decent price.
How about the VW pickup pacing alongside hahahaha
That's our shop truck. Also electric!
and we'll see more of it soon... ;-)
This is great. But why keep halogen lights? It's kind of past the point of a retro-mod.
We've been talking about changing them for over a year but just haven't prioritized. Flip-ups really become "out of sight out of mind"!
I have a Lamborghini bodied Fiero with a blown engine. Would an electric conversion work on my kitcar. If so, where would I purchase a tesla EV conversion kit for a Fiero based car. I would not need more than 250 mile battery range and top speed of at least 125 miles an hour.
85kwh in a Fiero should have 300+ miles of range!
250.
And the Tesla when it was brand new I think that was only good for about 275 mi range with a small motor. You don't know how much charging capacity the battery has lost. Also I feel like the fierros probably less aerodynamic. I think most of the 85 KW batteries had actually about 77.5 kilowatts. Even if it's fiero could push 4 MI per kilowatt that would barely get it over 300 MI.
The thing that surprises me more is that it takes 5 seconds to get to 60.
Always wanted an 88 GT (best year due to the redesigned suspension) and engine swap it with an LT swap, or even an L67 SII. But this, this EV swap, is *sick!*
Maybe put engine sounds through tail pipes?
Why didn't you put the battery packs in the tunnel? You'd have more weight in the center of mass.
That was in our initial thinking too, but the area is not as big as you think. They just don't fit. Remember, they only fit about 9-gallons of gas in that tunnel! We utilized the tunnel for low-voltage electronics and BMS.
Wow electric is sure moving slowly, I thought by now there would be several decent aftermarket conversion electric motor companies so this would be pretty simple, having to use Tesla donors is ridiculous this makes wrecked Teslas worth as much as new ones. The cost makes this process just a novelty for the wealthy or for really smart guys like you all.
Way too cool!
Totally put batteries right into the front crumple zone.
Now this is a pretty great idea for an EV swap. The originals having pretty bad cooling and air flow and all. NICE.
Pretty cool I have a 1987 Fiero GT
How much would you guys charge for a conversion
A Fiero build like this one is going through the shop right now for a little more than $90K. Yes, it is not a cheap build.
@@ClassicEVConversions Conversion looks pretty good. There is definitely alot of work and engineering involved. If I had the money to burn I would even consider a Fiero Plaid Set Up for extra cost HA HA
I had an 88 Fiero GT. It was way down on power with a measly 140 HP V6, but that wasn't the point. It handled great, it could dart from corner to corner, and it was fun to try to get the most out of it by shifting aggressively. You've ruined that by saddling it with a 1000 pound battery and a one speed transmission. You've missed the point, totally.
We hear you - it was fun to drive with that measly V6 and sounded great from the cockpit during that aggressive shifting. Come visit us and you can drive it - we think you'll like it! 🙂
Does having all the battery weight ahead of the front axles and high over the rear hurt the balance? How would this fare in autocross?
Where can i get those gauges?
and im sorry, this is unique but this doesn't OUT DUE a 3800 s2 supercharged fiero but kudos to uniqueness i had a 400hp fiero 2400pds wet with 315 rear tires and heavy duty rear springs, it was quick and fast even in stock but with some headers CAI some msd packs and iridium splugs and tuned it moved averaging over 34mpg at 60mph, sold it for 6300usd best sports care i ever had had 80s synth vibe and seat headrest speakers was the best
I want one, how much?
I love it! And actually a lot less likely to catch fire than the ICE Fiero! That is the better body style too!
Did they say what the range was?
About 240-250 miles, if you can keep out of full send!
It's such an awesome car! With such awesome range. Better off putting in a supercharged 3800. Bolts right in easier than this bullshit.
Does it still have the mid engine weight balance and handling or is it more front heavy ?
it's still balanced as it was (over 2/3 of the modules are in the back)
What is your typical range?
250 miles
Add a capacitor bank to the regen system.No?UA-cam one for an E bike.You're welcome.*chews potatao chip*😐
i just started the video i bet my 2 left nuts the price range of that fiero won't be told via conversion rough estimate
Sacralige! You dare make the Fiero EV
Cool but if I cut your wire no go huH
I'd be more interested in a fiero with a GT2rs engine or a McLaren 765lt engine.
I waited for him to get on it……. Waiting……..
Cool project, but violating a practically new 14K miles 88 GT is a travesty. You shouldn't have sacrificed a mint, collectible and rare survivor like this.
Where are all parts that came off? I still prefer gasoline
Did anyone hear what the effective operating range of it is? Because I sure didn't... and if it's not terribly "acceptably" big--as high or higher than the car it's components were sourced from--then what's the point other than just essentially making an inner-city car with "Look... we made it electric!" bragging rights?😕
About 240-250 miles, if you can keep out of full send!
Being a fiero owner of several cars.. I was happy till I saw the Tesla symbol on the fiero... 😢.. hate it.. its garbage to me..
You ruined it.
Junk.....looks like it rides like a hardtail Harley ffs....you guys did a nice build but the guy that designed race suspension failed big time
Cool, now it's just as bland as a new EV
It was bland when it was new. Chevy Chevette suspension and all that stuff...it was designed as a economical, 4-cylinder, two-seat commuter car. It wasn't much of a sports car back i the '80s.
I would imagine that a new EV would have more accelerative capability that this, but this EV conversion can likely out-accelerate one of those Fieros with the Cadillac V8 swaps (those are cool).
Least a car company couldn't spy on it, and it won't have access to the driver's phone through the car's infotainment system.
Dumbest idea ever