Tony can say what he wants, but this is what the Defender should have been and the defender is what the disco should have been. Finally a tank for the road!
More important is to have loadspace without wheelarches getting in the way. Unfortunately that is not the case so you loose a lot of usable loadspace now.
Not understanding why they put they tie down rails in the cargo zone though. Like, engineer the hooks into the pockets either side of the wheel arches. And, being recessed, those rails are going to collect all the crud.
As a Land Rover man, I'm still intrigued by this car. It combines both the long travel coil springs of the previous Defender as well as the tall progressive bump stops of the early G Wagon. This means it should have quite a ride.
Really did not expect to like this video so much, as the normal ones. Sooo, never miss a chance for videos like these! Especially from not so common brands.
It’s no wonder why you have the best car channel on UA-cam. Not many people could make a Defender type vehicle video super engaging. Some of those film shots Sam were just sublime.
Dream vehicle right there! I struggle to spot flaws with it... Sure, its expensive, but it offers something we dont have today anymore! This feels exactly like my fathers old Land Cruiser from the 80's..! If I bought a new car today it would be electric... BUT... if I really needed anything like this, I'd go for this instantly! Its just perfection! And I believe an electric variant is coming of this as well!
Your review is superb with perfect Queens English thank you very much you make me very proud to be English it’s a pity that many people in our country don’t speak with your accent old bean! Thank you
The whole video was superb and this British 🇬🇧breed off-roader is a 10/10 in its off-road league eventhough a bit pricey but with big capabilities. Your presenting skills Sam were on point and i coudnt even have done it any better. As always so articulate with some good sense of humor.
I always thought this would fill the gap left by the old Defender, in that it'd be a cheaper more robust workhorse than the new Defender. As much as I like the Grenadier I think the fact that it's pretty much price matched with the new Defender may be an issue
Agreed. The market has spoken. The old generation defender was a poor seller worldwide. Land Rover obviously know this and hence why we have the new defender, which has been very successful in terms of sales number. Where does it leave this offspring of an old defender and a g-wagon? I am not sure. I think it’s pretty cool, but not £70,000 cool.
@@theseb1979 The old Defender wouldn't have stuck around for decades if it was a poor seller. Production only ended because it couldn't meet newer safety requirements. No space for curtain air bags or thicker doors to make them better for side impacts, pedestrian protection at the front or any space up there for radar and all the other rubbish they put in cars to 'make them safer'. The previous Defender had a major part in the commercial market alongside the Chelsea tractor group. There were several companies dedicated to modifying Defenders with luxury interiors if they were such poor sellers. Army, police, electrical companies that needed a compact chassis based offroader to mount more specalised equipment on, farms, the lot all used the Defender too. The electrical companies now use Isusu D-Maxs and the like, same with farmers, the army is using their Defenders/Counties then I don't know what, and I don't know what NI's armoured Landy's are going to be replaced by. There are touring industries in various countries with fleets of Land Rover Defenders too, so plenty of other markets with continued demand for them when they stopped building them. The new Defender only replaced the Chelsea tractor crew to sit around London and the like with their G-wagon and other Land Rover stablemates. I've forgotten what channel I watched it on, but they mentioned seeing a farmer measuring the back of one of these for transporting sheep with lambs. They would be replacing a Ford Ranger, but one of them only lasts them around 5 years. The Grenadier has an anti-corrosion guarantee on the chassis for 12 years, so for that farmer the higher price is justified as it's effectively replacing their next 2 Rangers, at least, so being up to twice the price as a Ranger doesn't concern them for that reason, especially if they depreciate less per year during that ownership. If it's designed to last that long, it could easily go another 3 or more and replace a third Ranger, by which point they're saving a lot of money. The Euro pallet fitting being a marketing line should show who they're aiming for, something everything but the 70 Series Land Cruiser in Australia misses completely. Look at the mk1 Transit. They specifically designed that to fit a common building material while being able to deal with the higher speeds possible on the new motorway network, and look how successful that was. This could be seen as an updated proper Defender platform capable of motorway speeds. This isn't quite bursting into a new market, but it's still filling a gap that has opened up as greed poured everyone else into the easy money of the faux-by-four market where all they want is a several thousand pound body kit on a hatchback platform. Just because the commercial market isn't stupid like the general population who is happy to throw money away on appearance lacking any function doesn't mean there isn't still a steady source of income to be had there. It won't make you the richest person on the planet, but you should be able to make a living off it if you stick with a good basic product. Industry that doesn't deal with the public doesn't change the looks of their products every 3 years or less just to invent the next fashion. If INEOS stick with this design for a decade or two, they'll get a consistent group of returning customers who just want something that works, and by not face-lifting it constantly they will eventually get their money back and be in steady profit. Anyway, the person who put it into production just wanted a capable vehicle on the market again, and had the money from their other businesses to do so, so I don't think they did it for any huge profit, unlike Land Rover, etc.
Thank you Sam! Finally a more practical/typical review. I still have my deposit on a USA rig even though no price announced. My only (minor) disappointment so far is no analog gauge set for oil pressures, temps, volts. I hate screens with an irrational passion.
People say this is what the new Defender should have been, but the new Defender after three years is still selling all that Land Rover can make, and it's their best selling vehicle. So Land Rover would say that the new Defender is a success. Most owners would not cope with the compromises that a more focused off road vehicle has. Which means we have a choice, which is great. Grenadier, an off road focused vehicle that's still fairly competent on road. Defender, on road focused vehicle that's still competent off road. Not that most Defenders will go any further off road than the local horse show.
Really interesting seeing this review by someone who by their own admission does not drive off road but who made it absolutely clear that the small sections that were off road in the countryside were the day's highlight. Driving so many miles and to say he felt bonded with the vehicle is a big positive tick. The great driving position and clearly comfort being recognised. Nice one!
Finally the PERFECT REVIEW ! On road .. it has out the icing and cherry on the cake for me. Can’t wait to see it in person ! Thank you for a great overview and great honest commentary. We know it’s most likely awesome off road, it was the on road I’ve been itching to see .. super happy today .. 😉👍
Absolutely love these things. Like myself a bit old school but brimming with character. Down side.. The price, possibly a little hard to justify, but I'd love one!!
I absolutely love these. I’m going to be watching these like a hawk on the second hand market. If the market doesn’t take too kindly to the Grenadier, then these could be a bargain in 3-4yrs.
I hated the new Defender at first but after a few years and a couple of my neighbors having them I absolutely love them and prefer it over the old one. I don't think I would get this over a new Defender.
Saw one of these at the Dorset county show in September. I promptly got in and caused a stir, since it turns out nobody was meant to get inside and check out the pre-production interior too closely, so the dudes there all came running. 😂
I think that you said some things that other reviews have been reluctant to mention. Firstly, it wasn't the manufacturers who made their vehicles 'school run cars' but the consumer. The new Defender, Land Cruiser 300 and Prado and the G-Wagon are all still very capable off-road vehicles. I think that people tend to forget two developments in automotive history that has lessened the need in most of the developed world for an off-road vehicle. One being the expansive network of paved roads and the other the quad bike and its variants. I grew up on a Welsh sheep hill farm and yes, when I was a child many, many moons ago, the Defender was the go to vehicle. These days, a farmer will more likely use a quad bike to get a sick/troubled sheep out of a field and not a 4x4 that churns up the ground and leaves a mess on a muddy field. The truth of the matter is, that the school run crowd are the ones that keep the development of these models on roads whether we like it or lump it. Ineos are going to find out pretty quickly that they will need to cater for this consumer too or the Grenadier will not become a viable going concern. In any case, the SUV price point of the Grenadier and its rugged looks is possibly going to appeal to the celebrity crowd as the Defender has here in Japan and it too will end up being a school run vehicle. The off-road/overlanding market is small. That alone will not generate enough sales. It is also a high-tech vehicle unlike the Land Cruiser 70 series still sold in some markets and getting parts/fixing it for it are going to be less challenging than the new Defender but more difficult than a LC 70 in many parts of the world. On top of all that, the Grenadier is unproven, has no reputation and so far, no sales - only pre-orders!
I daily drive a classic Range Rover so a car like this in theory should appeal to me. But I’m with Tony on this it just does nothing for me even with the negative connotations to Ineos and it’s owner aside
Mines on order , AD said to me yesterday it’s about 6-8 months wait in the uk , so hopefully mine will be here by Christmas , if it is all well and good if not I’ll just wait, I’m confident in this will be a top vehicle but time will tell 👌😊
I saw them in Silverdale a couple of weeks ago crossing Morecambe Bay. Love one and would swap my L322 Range Rover for one….if they were about 40k. I think there’s a market for a basic utilitarian motor with modern running gear that would rival the pickups. At north of £50k starting price, £0 pm on my old L322 V8 is very attractive in comparison. Shame as I think they’ve missed a trick here as did the new Defender.
Great review, Sam! You capture the unease around what is a pretty exciting new vechile perfectly. At the price, the offroad ability isn't enough. In the UK, most people (even enthusiasts and people who genuinely need it) will be on the black stuff a significant amount of the time. Therefore, the 'cool factor' or use case needs to be significant to want one and live with the quirks as a daily
There is a huge world out there. The tiny UK cannot ever be a benchmark. Having said that, even the W463 Geländewagen can and do go places here in Africa. I think the Grenadier is closer to that than an old Defender.
I think Ineos nailed it with the Grenadier. It’s an old school 4WD SUV with a proven drivetrain. Hell, it even uses an old school steel ignition key. Try finding that feature on another new vehicle. When the apocalypse hits this is the vehicle you want to own.
Driven the 3L petrol on road.....very sluggish take-off from stand-still. Quiet, smooth, comfortable. The footrest that intrudes into the footwell isn't noticeable on short runs but might be annoying on longer ones....the solution would be to make the accelerator and brake pedals longer and move seat back a bit. Speedo position not a problem. Visibility is good....even out of rear window with the split and tyre....wing mirrors give good vision. There is a lack of feel from the steering but there's no problem actually turning...but you only know you're turning when you actually see the front going round. The 'play' isn't a problem, can't say it was really noticeable and the slow return to centre isn't either as personally I don't leave it to the vehicle to do that. Price is comparable to other vehicles of similar nature...it has very good build quality and judging by reviews excellent off-road capability...with the benefit that having far less electronics more fixable in the field compared to the new Defender for example. 10 month+ wait though unless get a cancelled order....spec and price as is of course.
I LOVE the Saddle Brown Leather steering wheel option. Gives it just a touch of richness and depth of pedigree in an otherwise industrial utilitarian vehicle. However, I wonder if this option has been eliminated? as I can not find it on configuration website.
I just love this channel, It is always great fun. I love the getting coffee and all the chatting- best channel as far as film quality. I have watched so many of these videos 2 and 3 times, The whole drive the world 2 time - fun
Land Rover missed a trick.. big time.. the new LR Defender is not an evolution of the original Defender .. yes, I know it's more capable... but like you say Sam, the Grenadier is focussed.. in the same way the old Defender was.. Had I not modified my own 110 Defender to the same spec as mr JWW's, but without the jacked up suspension and big wheels, I could've easily seen myself ordering a Grenadier in a heartbeat. The Ineos Grenadier shares something else quite unique with the old Defender... It's a classless car.. You can't pigeon hole anyone who drives one. The only point I don't agree on is price.. having looked at one closely in the flesh last Friday in Edinburgh, I think it's an absolute bargain for what you get. All personal of course! Great video!!
Looks fantastic, but for me this is very much a bespoke option. This has to be a specific purchase. A tool that's needed. Much the same way as a farmer buys a plough. I've always wanted a big enough lawn to justify a ride on mower. Now I want a property with a long unmade drive.
Nice vid, Sam. Being a new manufacturer, at £70k the only chance it has is, if at least a 7 year warranty offered. If so, buy it for farm or adventure, and keep it 10 years plus. Presumably, part of their initial brief was to beat Land Rover build quality?
They offer 12 years warranty against corrosion... but of course the mechanical warranty would be more interesting. The utility version starts at 58k and for commercial use you can get the taxes off... I think it could make sense if they can build a dealer network with maintenance service. But cooperations will be difficult since the mechanics are such a mixture of different brands.
Finally, a replacement for the discovery 4; tried the new defender twice - first one Land Rover took back. The second one still had too many faults, so was sold.
These are gona take off, this is what the defender should have been but that’s now to polished. Cheaper too if you get into a base. 60k gets you nothing nowadays anyway
Been following this for a while. The main caveat I have is the front appears a bit pinched to my eyes, don't know how else to describe it. Servicing doesn't bother me as I used to drive to another country for my previous car and can easily fix multiple issues myself.
Biggest disappointment is the Instrument cluster, not were you can see it safely, in front of the driver. Perhaps a HUD will be great as a option, aftermarket option.
The Super Stand out stat for the Grenadier is its (Gross Vehicle wait rating) or MAM here in the UK... 3550 kg.... So it can tow any load of any size and is a full commercial vehicle that has huge tax benefits and for work its a game change even the biggest pick-up in the UK has a GVWR of only 3020kg So the Grenadier can out carry and out tow anything out there and that is what really matters for commercial and farming customers The fact its bearable on road and has some comfort is amazing The choice now is between a Land rover product that's just as expensive, can snap its crankshaft at any second is monstrously unreliable and is towing the typical farming load illegally on the UK road... like all farmers are doing right now And the new Grenadier that can legally do the job and every farmer knows the BMW 3.0 diesel and gearbox is the most reliable motor out there right now ... I know what they will do
I am in Australia and this car in theory will be perfect for the conditions. I like the concept that it is developed to bridge the gap where the Defender left. There are two issues I see from my perspective, BMW engines super expensive to work on here in AU and for $AU140k there wont be a mass market for it here. Otherwise great video and review and thank you.
I hear yer but there’s no point to this in Australia at all, certainly when you consider how many 4x4 options already exist here. Especially with more manageable costs. But I get the nostalgia I guess.
This beast looks so cool! Glad that it made its way on the road and having all top notch suppliers is always a good thing. The only gripe is the price… spec’d one up for 85.000€. Well a new Defender isn’t really cheaper but idk what kinda Farmers this is targeted towards
Hi Sam, love your videos. Question: how does the grenadier ride compared to the defender? I remember the defender having an exceedingly rough ride (Bouncy)… Opposite of a Range Rover or a luxury car.
I prefer the looks of the new defender both inside and out, cant see this doing as good as the new defender, to me the Ineos its more like a purpose built vehicle for a mountain rescue team then the average person
The folks at INEOS are doing Gods work keeping another *real* utility rig alive.
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Why should God get the blame for anything Defender-ish?
Tony can say what he wants, but this is what the Defender should have been and the defender is what the disco should have been. Finally a tank for the road!
I tend to ignore Tony 90% of the time haha
It's an alternative to a transit etc, British Gas/Rail company's/Electric company's will love them (ignoring the price)
Yes it's what enthusiasts would love but would a genral customer have the same thoughts 🤔
@@seenthroughglass😂😂😂😂
I agree with Tony
The fact it can take a Euro pallet is so underrated 👌
Yup just like my old E91.
Agreed!
More important is to have loadspace without wheelarches getting in the way. Unfortunately that is not the case so you loose a lot of usable loadspace now.
Not understanding why they put they tie down rails in the cargo zone though. Like, engineer the hooks into the pockets either side of the wheel arches. And, being recessed, those rails are going to collect all the crud.
So does an amarok and a ranger.
As a Land Rover man, I'm still intrigued by this car. It combines both the long travel coil springs of the previous Defender as well as the tall progressive bump stops of the early G Wagon. This means it should have quite a ride.
Really did not expect to like this video so much, as the normal ones. Sooo, never miss a chance for videos like these! Especially from not so common brands.
Great to hear! Was a bit of a challenge but a fun car to film with
It’s no wonder why you have the best car channel on UA-cam. Not many people could make a Defender type vehicle video super engaging. Some of those film shots Sam were just sublime.
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Dream vehicle right there! I struggle to spot flaws with it... Sure, its expensive, but it offers something we dont have today anymore! This feels exactly like my fathers old Land Cruiser from the 80's..! If I bought a new car today it would be electric... BUT... if I really needed anything like this, I'd go for this instantly! Its just perfection! And I believe an electric variant is coming of this as well!
Your review is superb with perfect Queens English thank you very much you make me very proud to be English it’s a pity that many people in our country don’t speak with your accent old bean! Thank you
The whole video was superb and this British 🇬🇧breed off-roader is a 10/10 in its off-road league eventhough a bit pricey but with big capabilities. Your presenting skills Sam were on point and i coudnt even have done it any better. As always so articulate with some good sense of humor.
I always thought this would fill the gap left by the old Defender, in that it'd be a cheaper more robust workhorse than the new Defender. As much as I like the Grenadier I think the fact that it's pretty much price matched with the new Defender may be an issue
Agreed. The market has spoken. The old generation defender was a poor seller worldwide. Land Rover obviously know this and hence why we have the new defender, which has been very successful in terms of sales number. Where does it leave this offspring of an old defender and a g-wagon? I am not sure. I think it’s pretty cool, but not £70,000 cool.
Considering how many new defenders are around, there's not much hope for this car. Worse inside and no better offroad, for the same money
@@theseb1979 The old Defender wouldn't have stuck around for decades if it was a poor seller. Production only ended because it couldn't meet newer safety requirements. No space for curtain air bags or thicker doors to make them better for side impacts, pedestrian protection at the front or any space up there for radar and all the other rubbish they put in cars to 'make them safer'. The previous Defender had a major part in the commercial market alongside the Chelsea tractor group. There were several companies dedicated to modifying Defenders with luxury interiors if they were such poor sellers. Army, police, electrical companies that needed a compact chassis based offroader to mount more specalised equipment on, farms, the lot all used the Defender too. The electrical companies now use Isusu D-Maxs and the like, same with farmers, the army is using their Defenders/Counties then I don't know what, and I don't know what NI's armoured Landy's are going to be replaced by. There are touring industries in various countries with fleets of Land Rover Defenders too, so plenty of other markets with continued demand for them when they stopped building them. The new Defender only replaced the Chelsea tractor crew to sit around London and the like with their G-wagon and other Land Rover stablemates.
I've forgotten what channel I watched it on, but they mentioned seeing a farmer measuring the back of one of these for transporting sheep with lambs. They would be replacing a Ford Ranger, but one of them only lasts them around 5 years. The Grenadier has an anti-corrosion guarantee on the chassis for 12 years, so for that farmer the higher price is justified as it's effectively replacing their next 2 Rangers, at least, so being up to twice the price as a Ranger doesn't concern them for that reason, especially if they depreciate less per year during that ownership. If it's designed to last that long, it could easily go another 3 or more and replace a third Ranger, by which point they're saving a lot of money. The Euro pallet fitting being a marketing line should show who they're aiming for, something everything but the 70 Series Land Cruiser in Australia misses completely. Look at the mk1 Transit. They specifically designed that to fit a common building material while being able to deal with the higher speeds possible on the new motorway network, and look how successful that was. This could be seen as an updated proper Defender platform capable of motorway speeds. This isn't quite bursting into a new market, but it's still filling a gap that has opened up as greed poured everyone else into the easy money of the faux-by-four market where all they want is a several thousand pound body kit on a hatchback platform. Just because the commercial market isn't stupid like the general population who is happy to throw money away on appearance lacking any function doesn't mean there isn't still a steady source of income to be had there. It won't make you the richest person on the planet, but you should be able to make a living off it if you stick with a good basic product. Industry that doesn't deal with the public doesn't change the looks of their products every 3 years or less just to invent the next fashion. If INEOS stick with this design for a decade or two, they'll get a consistent group of returning customers who just want something that works, and by not face-lifting it constantly they will eventually get their money back and be in steady profit. Anyway, the person who put it into production just wanted a capable vehicle on the market again, and had the money from their other businesses to do so, so I don't think they did it for any huge profit, unlike Land Rover, etc.
Major issue
It doesnt have near as much style as a defender. Range Rover has peak car aesthetics.
Clarkson's farm is there, also the farm of the former founder of Evo magazine, Harry Metcalfe .Harry tests his cars at a crossroads A361 and B4437
Always wondered where Harry’s crossroads was.
He starts driving at 5:30.
Seems to have been built for a purpose rather than a marketing / lifestyle department…no squishy soft touch plastics 🤦♂️😂..good job 👍
Which is even more impressive considering they are a new company
Thank you Sam! Finally a more practical/typical review. I still have my deposit on a USA rig even though no price announced. My only (minor) disappointment so far is no analog gauge set for oil pressures, temps, volts. I hate screens with an irrational passion.
It’s going to be 100 k plus bro. Get your money back
I seriously enjoyed this video. A real version of what the new defender should of been. Seriously cool
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People say this is what the new Defender should have been, but the new Defender after three years is still selling all that Land Rover can make, and it's their best selling vehicle.
So Land Rover would say that the new Defender is a success. Most owners would not cope
with the compromises that a more focused off road vehicle has.
Which means we have a choice, which is great.
Grenadier, an off road focused vehicle that's still fairly competent on road.
Defender, on road focused vehicle that's still competent off road. Not that most Defenders will go any further off road than the local horse show.
Really interesting seeing this review by someone who by their own admission does not drive off road but who made it absolutely clear that the small sections that were off road in the countryside were the day's highlight. Driving so many miles and to say he felt bonded with the vehicle is a big positive tick. The great driving position and clearly comfort being recognised. Nice one!
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I would review it right now if they gave me one
Obsessed with this car tbh, awesome old school style, no nonsense
Finally the PERFECT REVIEW ! On road .. it has out the icing and cherry on the cake for me. Can’t wait to see it in person ! Thank you for a great overview and great honest commentary. We know it’s most likely awesome off road, it was the on road I’ve been itching to see .. super happy today .. 😉👍
Absolutely love these things. Like myself a bit old school but brimming with character. Down side.. The price, possibly a little hard to justify, but I'd love one!!
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I love every video you make, but I enjoyed this one a little extra today. Great job as always Sam.
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You gotta admire Jim Ratcliffe how many people come up with an idea to start a car company in the pub..then actually make it happen 👏👏
I’m not an SUV guy, don’t think I ever will be.
But this thing is REALLY cool. I hope it does end up in the US
This isn’t an SUV
I believe it’s available in US
@@gregmayled Which is why I called it a thing.
Great content as always 🤟. The commercial version would make a great platform for a 4x4 campervan conversion
I’ve been looking forward to this video after hearing it was coming out today after listening to the Podcast.
Thanks for tuning in
Great production. Need a behind the scenes of a typical day filming.
Nice idea for a future video
@@seenthroughglass e
Equipment that you use would be cool too!
@@seenthroughglass yeah would be interesting for us production geeks.
Very fair review Sam, I'm a farmer and I'd have a billy basic diesel one tomorrow. BTW, I thought you were old money 😉😀
I absolutely love these. I’m going to be watching these like a hawk on the second hand market. If the market doesn’t take too kindly to the Grenadier, then these could be a bargain in 3-4yrs.
Totally agree, will be worth watching. Although my guess is they’ll hold their value pretty well.
Don’t hold your breath.
Another great video from the nicest guy on UA-cam. Thanks, Sam!
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It was nice to see the GT3 briefly again, near the start - that color continues to grow on me.
I hated the new Defender at first but after a few years and a couple of my neighbors having them I absolutely love them and prefer it over the old one. I don't think I would get this over a new Defender.
Nice review! You were the first one to mention the Euro pallet, nice fact!
I have one on order... so excited I occasionally pass wind
Just got to drive one of these offroad and it is quite impressive
Saw one of these at the Dorset county show in September. I promptly got in and caused a stir, since it turns out nobody was meant to get inside and check out the pre-production interior too closely, so the dudes there all came running. 😂
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Best videos are driving the porche Dakar and this video your crushing it
Much appreciated
I love the Grenadier, if it was in the budget I'd say this is the off-road vehicle to have!
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I think that you said some things that other reviews have been reluctant to mention. Firstly, it wasn't the manufacturers who made their vehicles 'school run cars' but the consumer. The new Defender, Land Cruiser 300 and Prado and the G-Wagon are all still very capable off-road vehicles. I think that people tend to forget two developments in automotive history that has lessened the need in most of the developed world for an off-road vehicle. One being the expansive network of paved roads and the other the quad bike and its variants. I grew up on a Welsh sheep hill farm and yes, when I was a child many, many moons ago, the Defender was the go to vehicle. These days, a farmer will more likely use a quad bike to get a sick/troubled sheep out of a field and not a 4x4 that churns up the ground and leaves a mess on a muddy field. The truth of the matter is, that the school run crowd are the ones that keep the development of these models on roads whether we like it or lump it. Ineos are going to find out pretty quickly that they will need to cater for this consumer too or the Grenadier will not become a viable going concern. In any case, the SUV price point of the Grenadier and its rugged looks is possibly going to appeal to the celebrity crowd as the Defender has here in Japan and it too will end up being a school run vehicle. The off-road/overlanding market is small. That alone will not generate enough sales. It is also a high-tech vehicle unlike the Land Cruiser 70 series still sold in some markets and getting parts/fixing it for it are going to be less challenging than the new Defender but more difficult than a LC 70 in many parts of the world. On top of all that, the Grenadier is unproven, has no reputation and so far, no sales - only pre-orders!
Just sat down for breakfast! Great timing, Sam
Glad to be of service :)
I daily drive a classic Range Rover so a car like this in theory should appeal to me. But I’m with Tony on this it just does nothing for me even with the negative connotations to Ineos and it’s owner aside
Mines on order , AD said to me yesterday it’s about 6-8 months wait in the uk , so hopefully mine will be here by Christmas , if it is all well and good if not I’ll just wait, I’m confident in this will be a top vehicle but time will tell 👌😊
I think these are going to be a massive seller, there really good.
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Enjoyed your work, classy 4X4. Thank you.
I do like these, i hope Inios do well with these.
Love the video Sam, well shot. Like the Grenadier, but it’s £20k too much.
I saw them in Silverdale a couple of weeks ago crossing Morecambe Bay. Love one and would swap my L322 Range Rover for one….if they were about 40k. I think there’s a market for a basic utilitarian motor with modern running gear that would rival the pickups. At north of £50k starting price, £0 pm on my old L322 V8 is very attractive in comparison.
Shame as I think they’ve missed a trick here as did the new Defender.
Great vehicle. A 2 door commercial rated version at £50k would definitely be a winner. At £70k it seems OK for what it is.
Great review, Sam! You capture the unease around what is a pretty exciting new vechile perfectly. At the price, the offroad ability isn't enough. In the UK, most people (even enthusiasts and people who genuinely need it) will be on the black stuff a significant amount of the time. Therefore, the 'cool factor' or use case needs to be significant to want one and live with the quirks as a daily
There is a huge world out there. The tiny UK cannot ever be a benchmark. Having said that, even the W463 Geländewagen can and do go places here in Africa. I think the Grenadier is closer to that than an old Defender.
A beautiful car, very well made, solid and exactly what the Land Rover Defender should have evolved into. Bravo, an excellent review.
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Is basically the jeep commander all over again! And that makes me happy
Superb content Sam. Cannot wait for mine to arrive. Literally it has been built and awaits software flashes and some reworking.
Nice video Sam. When it was announced I wasn't really a fan, but seeing this, it has won me back. I like the fact that its old school :)
Awesome to hear!
Very well done Sam, excellent commentary!
Thanks so much
@@seenthroughglass Broncos are starting to pop up everywhere here in New Hampshire, USA. This seems like a rougher, more exotic option. Pretty cool!
I think Ineos nailed it with the Grenadier. It’s an old school 4WD SUV with a proven drivetrain. Hell, it even uses an old school steel ignition key. Try finding that feature on another new vehicle. When the apocalypse hits this is the vehicle you want to own.
Driven the 3L petrol on road.....very sluggish take-off from stand-still. Quiet, smooth, comfortable. The footrest that intrudes into the footwell isn't noticeable on short runs but might be annoying on longer ones....the solution would be to make the accelerator and brake pedals longer and move seat back a bit. Speedo position not a problem. Visibility is good....even out of rear window with the split and tyre....wing mirrors give good vision. There is a lack of feel from the steering but there's no problem actually turning...but you only know you're turning when you actually see the front going round. The 'play' isn't a problem, can't say it was really noticeable and the slow return to centre isn't either as personally I don't leave it to the vehicle to do that.
Price is comparable to other vehicles of similar nature...it has very good build quality and judging by reviews excellent off-road capability...with the benefit that having far less electronics more fixable in the field compared to the new Defender for example.
10 month+ wait though unless get a cancelled order....spec and price as is of course.
I LOVE the Saddle Brown Leather steering wheel option. Gives it just a touch of richness and depth of pedigree in an otherwise industrial utilitarian vehicle. However, I wonder if this option has been eliminated? as I can not find it on configuration website.
found it
The French take over the 4x4 market!
I just love this channel,
It is always great fun. I love the getting coffee and all the chatting- best channel as far as film quality. I have watched so many of these videos 2 and 3 times,
The whole drive the world 2 time - fun
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gM FROM JAMAICA YOU ARE A REAL REVIEWER THAT DOOR SOUNDS LIKE G WAGON I LIKE HOW U TEST THE DOOR SOUND SIR KOOOOOL
love the ineos, what should have been the new Defender
I’ve been super excited to experience it
There are more basic versions of the Ineos which start at the same price as pickups etc. They are the ones that appeal to farmers etc.
Great review, thanks for posting, regards the ineos forum.
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100 k us for a bare bone suv come on really
Oh man. I’m a huge plane nerd and so I’d buy this just for the buttons and that altimeter alone!
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Land Rover missed a trick.. big time.. the new LR Defender is not an evolution of the original Defender .. yes, I know it's more capable... but like you say Sam, the Grenadier is focussed.. in the same way the old Defender was.. Had I not modified my own 110 Defender to the same spec as mr JWW's, but without the jacked up suspension and big wheels, I could've easily seen myself ordering a Grenadier in a heartbeat. The Ineos Grenadier shares something else quite unique with the old Defender... It's a classless car.. You can't pigeon hole anyone who drives one. The only point I don't agree on is price.. having looked at one closely in the flesh last Friday in Edinburgh, I think it's an absolute bargain for what you get. All personal of course! Great video!!
Looks fantastic, but for me this is very much a bespoke option. This has to be a specific purchase. A tool that's needed. Much the same way as a farmer buys a plough. I've always wanted a big enough lawn to justify a ride on mower. Now I want a property with a long unmade drive.
Looks like a more sensible and better value option than the G Wagen
I absolutely want and love this vehicle. Just need it in the US
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Really enjoyed this video Sam
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Nice vid, Sam. Being a new manufacturer, at £70k the only chance it has is, if at least a 7 year warranty offered. If so, buy it for farm or adventure, and keep it 10 years plus. Presumably, part of their initial brief was to beat Land Rover build quality?
Durability is one of their key objectives ;)
They offer 12 years warranty against corrosion... but of course the mechanical warranty would be more interesting.
The utility version starts at 58k and for commercial use you can get the taxes off... I think it could make sense if they can build a dealer network with maintenance service. But cooperations will be difficult since the mechanics are such a mixture of different brands.
Should Last 30 years for the money they want for it
Really good informative video. Love your unconventional reviews
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Great vid, great vehicle. I’d love one of those to handle the snow and country roads around here.
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Finally, a replacement for the discovery 4; tried the new defender twice - first one Land Rover took back. The second one still had too many faults, so was sold.
Great video, yet again! Superb!
These are gona take off, this is what the defender should have been but that’s now to polished. Cheaper too if you get into a base. 60k gets you nothing nowadays anyway
Just so you all know, this is one of around 100 prototype vehicles made in Austria, serial production im Hambach still has not started yet.
Fantastic video STG keep up the great work love your coffee thank you so much
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FINALLY got to hear the toot button! 😁
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Wish it wasn't so BMW, great video regardless
Been following this for a while. The main caveat I have is the front appears a bit pinched to my eyes, don't know how else to describe it. Servicing doesn't bother me as I used to drive to another country for my previous car and can easily fix multiple issues myself.
Love the buttons and look of interior. I’m not an off road I g farm going driver but I would want to be if I had this
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Finally!!!! Someone pressed that bl**dy toot bottom... Very entertaining review, thanks a lot!
Biggest disappointment is the Instrument cluster, not were you can see it safely, in front of the driver. Perhaps a HUD will be great as a option, aftermarket option.
It's the fusion of a G wagon and Defender
Love the video and was originally commenting to say you should’ve popped into diddly squat but I think it is still closed.
6:58
The Super Stand out stat for the Grenadier is its (Gross Vehicle wait rating) or MAM here in the UK...
3550 kg....
So it can tow any load of any size and is a full commercial vehicle that has huge tax benefits and for work its a game change even the biggest pick-up in the UK has a GVWR of only 3020kg
So the Grenadier can out carry and out tow anything out there and that is what really matters for commercial and farming customers
The fact its bearable on road and has some comfort is amazing
The choice now is between a Land rover product that's just as expensive, can snap its crankshaft at any second is monstrously unreliable and is towing the typical farming load illegally on the UK road... like all farmers are doing right now
And the new Grenadier that can legally do the job and every farmer knows the BMW 3.0 diesel and gearbox is the most reliable motor out there right now ...
I know what they will do
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I am in Australia and this car in theory will be perfect for the conditions.
I like the concept that it is developed to bridge the gap where the Defender left.
There are two issues I see from my perspective, BMW engines super expensive to work on here in AU and for $AU140k there wont be a mass market for it here.
Otherwise great video and review and thank you.
I hear yer but there’s no point to this in Australia at all, certainly when you consider how many 4x4 options already exist here. Especially with more manageable costs.
But I get the nostalgia I guess.
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Yeah it is pretty cool.
HOW IS THE WIND NOISE WHILE YOU ON YOUR 250 MILES TRIP ALSO HOW IS THE BRAKING
Like it how it's presented from u to us... Nice vehicle for that staff and practical. Love it!!
Like it, looks very cool and has niche appeal, but just can’t see there being enough of a market for it to be worth making long term.
This beast looks so cool! Glad that it made its way on the road and having all top notch suppliers is always a good thing. The only gripe is the price… spec’d one up for 85.000€. Well a new Defender isn’t really cheaper but idk what kinda Farmers this is targeted towards
Expensive ones
3:53 Utalitarian? Nice.
Hi Sam, great video! Could you pleaase let us know what your Father thinks of the Ineos Grenadier? It maked me curiuos.
I have a feeling these will hold their value better than other £70k utility vehicles. Time will tell..
I love it. I want one
Good review as many others.......guess I am going to check it out at the dealer, that comes from a 110 driver 😀
Hi Sam, love your videos. Question: how does the grenadier ride compared to the defender? I remember the defender having an exceedingly rough ride (Bouncy)… Opposite of a Range Rover or a luxury car.
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It going to be nice when have Big tyres.
it will be an excellent 2nd hand car
I prefer the looks of the new defender both inside and out, cant see this doing as good as the new defender, to me the Ineos its more like a purpose built vehicle for a mountain rescue team then the average person