Hi Sam, great review! You might enjoy our little trip we’re currently on in a Grenadier. It's a 5-year trip in an across the world in a Grenadier towing a Patriot X3, which we live in. We set off from London in mid-July 2023 with our two young kids and we’re approaching 50000km. At least 70% of our journey has been off-road...
Tony can say what he wants, but this is what the Defender should have been and the defender is what the disco should have been. Finally a tank for the road!
More important is to have loadspace without wheelarches getting in the way. Unfortunately that is not the case so you loose a lot of usable loadspace now.
Not understanding why they put they tie down rails in the cargo zone though. Like, engineer the hooks into the pockets either side of the wheel arches. And, being recessed, those rails are going to collect all the crud.
Really did not expect to like this video so much, as the normal ones. Sooo, never miss a chance for videos like these! Especially from not so common brands.
As a Land Rover man, I'm still intrigued by this car. It combines both the long travel coil springs of the previous Defender as well as the tall progressive bump stops of the early G Wagon. This means it should have quite a ride.
Your review is superb with perfect Queens English thank you very much you make me very proud to be English it’s a pity that many people in our country don’t speak with your accent old bean! Thank you
The whole video was superb and this British 🇬🇧breed off-roader is a 10/10 in its off-road league eventhough a bit pricey but with big capabilities. Your presenting skills Sam were on point and i coudnt even have done it any better. As always so articulate with some good sense of humor.
It’s no wonder why you have the best car channel on UA-cam. Not many people could make a Defender type vehicle video super engaging. Some of those film shots Sam were just sublime.
Dream vehicle right there! I struggle to spot flaws with it... Sure, its expensive, but it offers something we dont have today anymore! This feels exactly like my fathers old Land Cruiser from the 80's..! If I bought a new car today it would be electric... BUT... if I really needed anything like this, I'd go for this instantly! Its just perfection! And I believe an electric variant is coming of this as well!
People say this is what the new Defender should have been, but the new Defender after three years is still selling all that Land Rover can make, and it's their best selling vehicle. So Land Rover would say that the new Defender is a success. Most owners would not cope with the compromises that a more focused off road vehicle has. Which means we have a choice, which is great. Grenadier, an off road focused vehicle that's still fairly competent on road. Defender, on road focused vehicle that's still competent off road. Not that most Defenders will go any further off road than the local horse show.
Absolutely love these things. Like myself a bit old school but brimming with character. Down side.. The price, possibly a little hard to justify, but I'd love one!!
Finally the PERFECT REVIEW ! On road .. it has out the icing and cherry on the cake for me. Can’t wait to see it in person ! Thank you for a great overview and great honest commentary. We know it’s most likely awesome off road, it was the on road I’ve been itching to see .. super happy today .. 😉👍
Really interesting seeing this review by someone who by their own admission does not drive off road but who made it absolutely clear that the small sections that were off road in the countryside were the day's highlight. Driving so many miles and to say he felt bonded with the vehicle is a big positive tick. The great driving position and clearly comfort being recognised. Nice one!
Thank you Sam! Finally a more practical/typical review. I still have my deposit on a USA rig even though no price announced. My only (minor) disappointment so far is no analog gauge set for oil pressures, temps, volts. I hate screens with an irrational passion.
I always thought this would fill the gap left by the old Defender, in that it'd be a cheaper more robust workhorse than the new Defender. As much as I like the Grenadier I think the fact that it's pretty much price matched with the new Defender may be an issue
Agreed. The market has spoken. The old generation defender was a poor seller worldwide. Land Rover obviously know this and hence why we have the new defender, which has been very successful in terms of sales number. Where does it leave this offspring of an old defender and a g-wagon? I am not sure. I think it’s pretty cool, but not £70,000 cool.
@@theseb1979 The old Defender wouldn't have stuck around for decades if it was a poor seller. Production only ended because it couldn't meet newer safety requirements. No space for curtain air bags or thicker doors to make them better for side impacts, pedestrian protection at the front or any space up there for radar and all the other rubbish they put in cars to 'make them safer'. The previous Defender had a major part in the commercial market alongside the Chelsea tractor group. There were several companies dedicated to modifying Defenders with luxury interiors if they were such poor sellers. Army, police, electrical companies that needed a compact chassis based offroader to mount more specalised equipment on, farms, the lot all used the Defender too. The electrical companies now use Isusu D-Maxs and the like, same with farmers, the army is using their Defenders/Counties then I don't know what, and I don't know what NI's armoured Landy's are going to be replaced by. There are touring industries in various countries with fleets of Land Rover Defenders too, so plenty of other markets with continued demand for them when they stopped building them. The new Defender only replaced the Chelsea tractor crew to sit around London and the like with their G-wagon and other Land Rover stablemates. I've forgotten what channel I watched it on, but they mentioned seeing a farmer measuring the back of one of these for transporting sheep with lambs. They would be replacing a Ford Ranger, but one of them only lasts them around 5 years. The Grenadier has an anti-corrosion guarantee on the chassis for 12 years, so for that farmer the higher price is justified as it's effectively replacing their next 2 Rangers, at least, so being up to twice the price as a Ranger doesn't concern them for that reason, especially if they depreciate less per year during that ownership. If it's designed to last that long, it could easily go another 3 or more and replace a third Ranger, by which point they're saving a lot of money. The Euro pallet fitting being a marketing line should show who they're aiming for, something everything but the 70 Series Land Cruiser in Australia misses completely. Look at the mk1 Transit. They specifically designed that to fit a common building material while being able to deal with the higher speeds possible on the new motorway network, and look how successful that was. This could be seen as an updated proper Defender platform capable of motorway speeds. This isn't quite bursting into a new market, but it's still filling a gap that has opened up as greed poured everyone else into the easy money of the faux-by-four market where all they want is a several thousand pound body kit on a hatchback platform. Just because the commercial market isn't stupid like the general population who is happy to throw money away on appearance lacking any function doesn't mean there isn't still a steady source of income to be had there. It won't make you the richest person on the planet, but you should be able to make a living off it if you stick with a good basic product. Industry that doesn't deal with the public doesn't change the looks of their products every 3 years or less just to invent the next fashion. If INEOS stick with this design for a decade or two, they'll get a consistent group of returning customers who just want something that works, and by not face-lifting it constantly they will eventually get their money back and be in steady profit. Anyway, the person who put it into production just wanted a capable vehicle on the market again, and had the money from their other businesses to do so, so I don't think they did it for any huge profit, unlike Land Rover, etc.
Saw one of these at the Dorset county show in September. I promptly got in and caused a stir, since it turns out nobody was meant to get inside and check out the pre-production interior too closely, so the dudes there all came running. 😂
I hated the new Defender at first but after a few years and a couple of my neighbors having them I absolutely love them and prefer it over the old one. I don't think I would get this over a new Defender.
I think that you said some things that other reviews have been reluctant to mention. Firstly, it wasn't the manufacturers who made their vehicles 'school run cars' but the consumer. The new Defender, Land Cruiser 300 and Prado and the G-Wagon are all still very capable off-road vehicles. I think that people tend to forget two developments in automotive history that has lessened the need in most of the developed world for an off-road vehicle. One being the expansive network of paved roads and the other the quad bike and its variants. I grew up on a Welsh sheep hill farm and yes, when I was a child many, many moons ago, the Defender was the go to vehicle. These days, a farmer will more likely use a quad bike to get a sick/troubled sheep out of a field and not a 4x4 that churns up the ground and leaves a mess on a muddy field. The truth of the matter is, that the school run crowd are the ones that keep the development of these models on roads whether we like it or lump it. Ineos are going to find out pretty quickly that they will need to cater for this consumer too or the Grenadier will not become a viable going concern. In any case, the SUV price point of the Grenadier and its rugged looks is possibly going to appeal to the celebrity crowd as the Defender has here in Japan and it too will end up being a school run vehicle. The off-road/overlanding market is small. That alone will not generate enough sales. It is also a high-tech vehicle unlike the Land Cruiser 70 series still sold in some markets and getting parts/fixing it for it are going to be less challenging than the new Defender but more difficult than a LC 70 in many parts of the world. On top of all that, the Grenadier is unproven, has no reputation and so far, no sales - only pre-orders!
I absolutely love these. I’m going to be watching these like a hawk on the second hand market. If the market doesn’t take too kindly to the Grenadier, then these could be a bargain in 3-4yrs.
Mines on order , AD said to me yesterday it’s about 6-8 months wait in the uk , so hopefully mine will be here by Christmas , if it is all well and good if not I’ll just wait, I’m confident in this will be a top vehicle but time will tell 👌😊
I just love this channel, It is always great fun. I love the getting coffee and all the chatting- best channel as far as film quality. I have watched so many of these videos 2 and 3 times, The whole drive the world 2 time - fun
I LOVE the Saddle Brown Leather steering wheel option. Gives it just a touch of richness and depth of pedigree in an otherwise industrial utilitarian vehicle. However, I wonder if this option has been eliminated? as I can not find it on configuration website.
I think Ineos nailed it with the Grenadier. It’s an old school 4WD SUV with a proven drivetrain. Hell, it even uses an old school steel ignition key. Try finding that feature on another new vehicle. When the apocalypse hits this is the vehicle you want to own.
I daily drive a classic Range Rover so a car like this in theory should appeal to me. But I’m with Tony on this it just does nothing for me even with the negative connotations to Ineos and it’s owner aside
I saw them in Silverdale a couple of weeks ago crossing Morecambe Bay. Love one and would swap my L322 Range Rover for one….if they were about 40k. I think there’s a market for a basic utilitarian motor with modern running gear that would rival the pickups. At north of £50k starting price, £0 pm on my old L322 V8 is very attractive in comparison. Shame as I think they’ve missed a trick here as did the new Defender.
Great review, Sam! You capture the unease around what is a pretty exciting new vechile perfectly. At the price, the offroad ability isn't enough. In the UK, most people (even enthusiasts and people who genuinely need it) will be on the black stuff a significant amount of the time. Therefore, the 'cool factor' or use case needs to be significant to want one and live with the quirks as a daily
There is a huge world out there. The tiny UK cannot ever be a benchmark. Having said that, even the W463 Geländewagen can and do go places here in Africa. I think the Grenadier is closer to that than an old Defender.
Finally, a replacement for the discovery 4; tried the new defender twice - first one Land Rover took back. The second one still had too many faults, so was sold.
Driven the 3L petrol on road.....very sluggish take-off from stand-still. Quiet, smooth, comfortable. The footrest that intrudes into the footwell isn't noticeable on short runs but might be annoying on longer ones....the solution would be to make the accelerator and brake pedals longer and move seat back a bit. Speedo position not a problem. Visibility is good....even out of rear window with the split and tyre....wing mirrors give good vision. There is a lack of feel from the steering but there's no problem actually turning...but you only know you're turning when you actually see the front going round. The 'play' isn't a problem, can't say it was really noticeable and the slow return to centre isn't either as personally I don't leave it to the vehicle to do that. Price is comparable to other vehicles of similar nature...it has very good build quality and judging by reviews excellent off-road capability...with the benefit that having far less electronics more fixable in the field compared to the new Defender for example. 10 month+ wait though unless get a cancelled order....spec and price as is of course.
Land Rover missed a trick.. big time.. the new LR Defender is not an evolution of the original Defender .. yes, I know it's more capable... but like you say Sam, the Grenadier is focussed.. in the same way the old Defender was.. Had I not modified my own 110 Defender to the same spec as mr JWW's, but without the jacked up suspension and big wheels, I could've easily seen myself ordering a Grenadier in a heartbeat. The Ineos Grenadier shares something else quite unique with the old Defender... It's a classless car.. You can't pigeon hole anyone who drives one. The only point I don't agree on is price.. having looked at one closely in the flesh last Friday in Edinburgh, I think it's an absolute bargain for what you get. All personal of course! Great video!!
Been following this for a while. The main caveat I have is the front appears a bit pinched to my eyes, don't know how else to describe it. Servicing doesn't bother me as I used to drive to another country for my previous car and can easily fix multiple issues myself.
Looks fantastic, but for me this is very much a bespoke option. This has to be a specific purchase. A tool that's needed. Much the same way as a farmer buys a plough. I've always wanted a big enough lawn to justify a ride on mower. Now I want a property with a long unmade drive.
Nice vid, Sam. Being a new manufacturer, at £70k the only chance it has is, if at least a 7 year warranty offered. If so, buy it for farm or adventure, and keep it 10 years plus. Presumably, part of their initial brief was to beat Land Rover build quality?
They offer 12 years warranty against corrosion... but of course the mechanical warranty would be more interesting. The utility version starts at 58k and for commercial use you can get the taxes off... I think it could make sense if they can build a dealer network with maintenance service. But cooperations will be difficult since the mechanics are such a mixture of different brands.
These are gona take off, this is what the defender should have been but that’s now to polished. Cheaper too if you get into a base. 60k gets you nothing nowadays anyway
@@sweetfreedomGBI’m about 6ft tall and got to sit in one here in Australia. I can confirm that the RHD driving position is ergonomically a disaster for me! My left leg was jacked up and pinned between the wheel and centre dash due to the “foot rest”. Brake pedal and accelerator are skewed to the right with an awkward stretch to the accelerator pedal. This would be a tiresome and painful position for long trips - like we do so often here is Australia. I had one on order but cancelled.
Hi Sam, great review! You might enjoy our little trip we’re currently on in a Grenadier. It's a 5-year trip in an across the world in a Grenadier towing a Patriot X3, which we live in. We set off from London in mid-July 2023 with our two young kids and we’re approaching 50000km. At least 70% of our journey has been off-road...
The folks at INEOS are doing Gods work keeping another *real* utility rig alive.
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Why should God get the blame for anything Defender-ish?
Tony can say what he wants, but this is what the Defender should have been and the defender is what the disco should have been. Finally a tank for the road!
I tend to ignore Tony 90% of the time haha
It's an alternative to a transit etc, British Gas/Rail company's/Electric company's will love them (ignoring the price)
Yes it's what enthusiasts would love but would a genral customer have the same thoughts 🤔
@@seenthroughglass😂😂😂😂
I agree with Tony
The fact it can take a Euro pallet is so underrated 👌
Yup just like my old E91.
Agreed!
More important is to have loadspace without wheelarches getting in the way. Unfortunately that is not the case so you loose a lot of usable loadspace now.
Not understanding why they put they tie down rails in the cargo zone though. Like, engineer the hooks into the pockets either side of the wheel arches. And, being recessed, those rails are going to collect all the crud.
So does an amarok and a ranger.
Really did not expect to like this video so much, as the normal ones. Sooo, never miss a chance for videos like these! Especially from not so common brands.
Great to hear! Was a bit of a challenge but a fun car to film with
As a Land Rover man, I'm still intrigued by this car. It combines both the long travel coil springs of the previous Defender as well as the tall progressive bump stops of the early G Wagon. This means it should have quite a ride.
Your review is superb with perfect Queens English thank you very much you make me very proud to be English it’s a pity that many people in our country don’t speak with your accent old bean! Thank you
The whole video was superb and this British 🇬🇧breed off-roader is a 10/10 in its off-road league eventhough a bit pricey but with big capabilities. Your presenting skills Sam were on point and i coudnt even have done it any better. As always so articulate with some good sense of humor.
It’s no wonder why you have the best car channel on UA-cam. Not many people could make a Defender type vehicle video super engaging. Some of those film shots Sam were just sublime.
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Dream vehicle right there! I struggle to spot flaws with it... Sure, its expensive, but it offers something we dont have today anymore! This feels exactly like my fathers old Land Cruiser from the 80's..! If I bought a new car today it would be electric... BUT... if I really needed anything like this, I'd go for this instantly! Its just perfection! And I believe an electric variant is coming of this as well!
Obsessed with this car tbh, awesome old school style, no nonsense
I love every video you make, but I enjoyed this one a little extra today. Great job as always Sam.
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I seriously enjoyed this video. A real version of what the new defender should of been. Seriously cool
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People say this is what the new Defender should have been, but the new Defender after three years is still selling all that Land Rover can make, and it's their best selling vehicle.
So Land Rover would say that the new Defender is a success. Most owners would not cope
with the compromises that a more focused off road vehicle has.
Which means we have a choice, which is great.
Grenadier, an off road focused vehicle that's still fairly competent on road.
Defender, on road focused vehicle that's still competent off road. Not that most Defenders will go any further off road than the local horse show.
Absolutely love these things. Like myself a bit old school but brimming with character. Down side.. The price, possibly a little hard to justify, but I'd love one!!
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I have one on order... so excited I occasionally pass wind
Finally the PERFECT REVIEW ! On road .. it has out the icing and cherry on the cake for me. Can’t wait to see it in person ! Thank you for a great overview and great honest commentary. We know it’s most likely awesome off road, it was the on road I’ve been itching to see .. super happy today .. 😉👍
Seems to have been built for a purpose rather than a marketing / lifestyle department…no squishy soft touch plastics 🤦♂️😂..good job 👍
Which is even more impressive considering they are a new company
Really interesting seeing this review by someone who by their own admission does not drive off road but who made it absolutely clear that the small sections that were off road in the countryside were the day's highlight. Driving so many miles and to say he felt bonded with the vehicle is a big positive tick. The great driving position and clearly comfort being recognised. Nice one!
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I would review it right now if they gave me one
Thank you Sam! Finally a more practical/typical review. I still have my deposit on a USA rig even though no price announced. My only (minor) disappointment so far is no analog gauge set for oil pressures, temps, volts. I hate screens with an irrational passion.
It’s going to be 100 k plus bro. Get your money back
I’ve been looking forward to this video after hearing it was coming out today after listening to the Podcast.
Thanks for tuning in
Just got to drive one of these offroad and it is quite impressive
Clarkson's farm is there, also the farm of the former founder of Evo magazine, Harry Metcalfe .Harry tests his cars at a crossroads A361 and B4437
Always wondered where Harry’s crossroads was.
Another great video from the nicest guy on UA-cam. Thanks, Sam!
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You gotta admire Jim Ratcliffe how many people come up with an idea to start a car company in the pub..then actually make it happen 👏👏
Most people aren't multi billionaires
The company has already existed 25 years and turns over billions a year it’s just another branch to it
@@thedownshiftchannel & he started it all after being bought up in a Council house 🤷♂️
@@oneeleven9832 I don’t think he’s someone to aspire to personally with some of his business decisions and actions but his success can’t be denied
Great content as always 🤟. The commercial version would make a great platform for a 4x4 campervan conversion
I’m not an SUV guy, don’t think I ever will be.
But this thing is REALLY cool. I hope it does end up in the US
This isn’t an SUV
I believe it’s available in US
@@gregmayled Which is why I called it a thing.
I always thought this would fill the gap left by the old Defender, in that it'd be a cheaper more robust workhorse than the new Defender. As much as I like the Grenadier I think the fact that it's pretty much price matched with the new Defender may be an issue
Agreed. The market has spoken. The old generation defender was a poor seller worldwide. Land Rover obviously know this and hence why we have the new defender, which has been very successful in terms of sales number. Where does it leave this offspring of an old defender and a g-wagon? I am not sure. I think it’s pretty cool, but not £70,000 cool.
Considering how many new defenders are around, there's not much hope for this car. Worse inside and no better offroad, for the same money
@@theseb1979 The old Defender wouldn't have stuck around for decades if it was a poor seller. Production only ended because it couldn't meet newer safety requirements. No space for curtain air bags or thicker doors to make them better for side impacts, pedestrian protection at the front or any space up there for radar and all the other rubbish they put in cars to 'make them safer'. The previous Defender had a major part in the commercial market alongside the Chelsea tractor group. There were several companies dedicated to modifying Defenders with luxury interiors if they were such poor sellers. Army, police, electrical companies that needed a compact chassis based offroader to mount more specalised equipment on, farms, the lot all used the Defender too. The electrical companies now use Isusu D-Maxs and the like, same with farmers, the army is using their Defenders/Counties then I don't know what, and I don't know what NI's armoured Landy's are going to be replaced by. There are touring industries in various countries with fleets of Land Rover Defenders too, so plenty of other markets with continued demand for them when they stopped building them. The new Defender only replaced the Chelsea tractor crew to sit around London and the like with their G-wagon and other Land Rover stablemates.
I've forgotten what channel I watched it on, but they mentioned seeing a farmer measuring the back of one of these for transporting sheep with lambs. They would be replacing a Ford Ranger, but one of them only lasts them around 5 years. The Grenadier has an anti-corrosion guarantee on the chassis for 12 years, so for that farmer the higher price is justified as it's effectively replacing their next 2 Rangers, at least, so being up to twice the price as a Ranger doesn't concern them for that reason, especially if they depreciate less per year during that ownership. If it's designed to last that long, it could easily go another 3 or more and replace a third Ranger, by which point they're saving a lot of money. The Euro pallet fitting being a marketing line should show who they're aiming for, something everything but the 70 Series Land Cruiser in Australia misses completely. Look at the mk1 Transit. They specifically designed that to fit a common building material while being able to deal with the higher speeds possible on the new motorway network, and look how successful that was. This could be seen as an updated proper Defender platform capable of motorway speeds. This isn't quite bursting into a new market, but it's still filling a gap that has opened up as greed poured everyone else into the easy money of the faux-by-four market where all they want is a several thousand pound body kit on a hatchback platform. Just because the commercial market isn't stupid like the general population who is happy to throw money away on appearance lacking any function doesn't mean there isn't still a steady source of income to be had there. It won't make you the richest person on the planet, but you should be able to make a living off it if you stick with a good basic product. Industry that doesn't deal with the public doesn't change the looks of their products every 3 years or less just to invent the next fashion. If INEOS stick with this design for a decade or two, they'll get a consistent group of returning customers who just want something that works, and by not face-lifting it constantly they will eventually get their money back and be in steady profit. Anyway, the person who put it into production just wanted a capable vehicle on the market again, and had the money from their other businesses to do so, so I don't think they did it for any huge profit, unlike Land Rover, etc.
Major issue
It doesnt have near as much style as a defender. Range Rover has peak car aesthetics.
Very fair review Sam, I'm a farmer and I'd have a billy basic diesel one tomorrow. BTW, I thought you were old money 😉😀
Nice review! You were the first one to mention the Euro pallet, nice fact!
I do like these, i hope Inios do well with these.
Saw one of these at the Dorset county show in September. I promptly got in and caused a stir, since it turns out nobody was meant to get inside and check out the pre-production interior too closely, so the dudes there all came running. 😂
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Best videos are driving the porche Dakar and this video your crushing it
Much appreciated
I hated the new Defender at first but after a few years and a couple of my neighbors having them I absolutely love them and prefer it over the old one. I don't think I would get this over a new Defender.
It was nice to see the GT3 briefly again, near the start - that color continues to grow on me.
I think that you said some things that other reviews have been reluctant to mention. Firstly, it wasn't the manufacturers who made their vehicles 'school run cars' but the consumer. The new Defender, Land Cruiser 300 and Prado and the G-Wagon are all still very capable off-road vehicles. I think that people tend to forget two developments in automotive history that has lessened the need in most of the developed world for an off-road vehicle. One being the expansive network of paved roads and the other the quad bike and its variants. I grew up on a Welsh sheep hill farm and yes, when I was a child many, many moons ago, the Defender was the go to vehicle. These days, a farmer will more likely use a quad bike to get a sick/troubled sheep out of a field and not a 4x4 that churns up the ground and leaves a mess on a muddy field. The truth of the matter is, that the school run crowd are the ones that keep the development of these models on roads whether we like it or lump it. Ineos are going to find out pretty quickly that they will need to cater for this consumer too or the Grenadier will not become a viable going concern. In any case, the SUV price point of the Grenadier and its rugged looks is possibly going to appeal to the celebrity crowd as the Defender has here in Japan and it too will end up being a school run vehicle. The off-road/overlanding market is small. That alone will not generate enough sales. It is also a high-tech vehicle unlike the Land Cruiser 70 series still sold in some markets and getting parts/fixing it for it are going to be less challenging than the new Defender but more difficult than a LC 70 in many parts of the world. On top of all that, the Grenadier is unproven, has no reputation and so far, no sales - only pre-orders!
Enjoyed your work, classy 4X4. Thank you.
He starts driving at 5:30.
Just sat down for breakfast! Great timing, Sam
Glad to be of service :)
Oh man. I’m a huge plane nerd and so I’d buy this just for the buttons and that altimeter alone!
ʜɪᴛ ᴍᴇ ᴜᴘ ᴏɴ ᴛᴇʟᴇɢʀᴀᴍ ɪ ɢᴏᴛ sᴏᴍᴇᴛʜɪɴɢ sᴘᴇᴄɪᴀʟ ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜ🎁🎁
I absolutely love these. I’m going to be watching these like a hawk on the second hand market. If the market doesn’t take too kindly to the Grenadier, then these could be a bargain in 3-4yrs.
Totally agree, will be worth watching. Although my guess is they’ll hold their value pretty well.
Don’t hold your breath.
Mines on order , AD said to me yesterday it’s about 6-8 months wait in the uk , so hopefully mine will be here by Christmas , if it is all well and good if not I’ll just wait, I’m confident in this will be a top vehicle but time will tell 👌😊
Is basically the jeep commander all over again! And that makes me happy
Superb content Sam. Cannot wait for mine to arrive. Literally it has been built and awaits software flashes and some reworking.
I just love this channel,
It is always great fun. I love the getting coffee and all the chatting- best channel as far as film quality. I have watched so many of these videos 2 and 3 times,
The whole drive the world 2 time - fun
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gM FROM JAMAICA YOU ARE A REAL REVIEWER THAT DOOR SOUNDS LIKE G WAGON I LIKE HOW U TEST THE DOOR SOUND SIR KOOOOOL
Great production. Need a behind the scenes of a typical day filming.
Nice idea for a future video
@@seenthroughglass e
Equipment that you use would be cool too!
@@seenthroughglass yeah would be interesting for us production geeks.
Great video, yet again! Superb!
I LOVE the Saddle Brown Leather steering wheel option. Gives it just a touch of richness and depth of pedigree in an otherwise industrial utilitarian vehicle. However, I wonder if this option has been eliminated? as I can not find it on configuration website.
found it
A beautiful car, very well made, solid and exactly what the Land Rover Defender should have evolved into. Bravo, an excellent review.
ʜɪᴛ ᴍᴇ ᴜᴘ ᴏɴ ᴛᴇʟᴇɢʀᴀᴍ ɪ ɢᴏᴛ sᴏᴍᴇᴛʜɪɴɢ sᴘᴇᴄɪᴀʟ ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜ🎁🎁🎊
Very well done Sam, excellent commentary!
Thanks so much
@@seenthroughglass Broncos are starting to pop up everywhere here in New Hampshire, USA. This seems like a rougher, more exotic option. Pretty cool!
Love the video Sam, well shot. Like the Grenadier, but it’s £20k too much.
Great vehicle. A 2 door commercial rated version at £50k would definitely be a winner. At £70k it seems OK for what it is.
Great review, thanks for posting, regards the ineos forum.
ʜɪᴛ ᴍᴇ ᴜᴘ ᴏɴ ᴛᴇʟᴇɢʀᴀᴍ ɪ ɢᴏᴛ sᴏᴍᴇᴛʜɪɴɢ sᴘᴇᴄɪᴀʟ ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜ🎁🎁.
100 k us for a bare bone suv come on really
Really enjoyed this video Sam
ʜɪᴛ ᴍᴇ ᴜᴘ ᴏɴ ᴛᴇʟᴇɢʀᴀᴍ ɪ ɢᴏᴛ sᴏᴍᴇᴛʜɪɴɢ sᴘᴇᴄɪᴀʟ ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜ🎁🎁🎊
I think these are going to be a massive seller, there really good.
ʜɪᴛ ᴍᴇ ᴜᴘ ᴏɴ ᴛᴇʟᴇɢʀᴀᴍ ɪ ɢᴏᴛ sᴏᴍᴇᴛʜɪɴɢ sᴘᴇᴄɪᴀʟ ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜ🎁🎁🎊🎊.
Really good informative video. Love your unconventional reviews
ʜɪᴛ ᴍᴇ ᴜᴘ ᴏɴ ᴛᴇʟᴇɢʀᴀᴍ ɪ ɢᴏᴛ sᴏᴍᴇᴛʜɪɴɢ sᴘᴇᴄɪᴀʟ ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜ🎁🎁🎊🎊.
Nice video Sam. When it was announced I wasn't really a fan, but seeing this, it has won me back. I like the fact that its old school :)
Awesome to hear!
The French take over the 4x4 market!
Looks like a more sensible and better value option than the G Wagen
I think Ineos nailed it with the Grenadier. It’s an old school 4WD SUV with a proven drivetrain. Hell, it even uses an old school steel ignition key. Try finding that feature on another new vehicle. When the apocalypse hits this is the vehicle you want to own.
I love the Grenadier, if it was in the budget I'd say this is the off-road vehicle to have!
ʜɪᴛ ᴍᴇ ᴜᴘ ᴏɴ ᴛᴇʟᴇɢʀᴀᴍ ɪ ɢᴏᴛ sᴏᴍᴇᴛʜɪɴɢ sᴘᴇᴄɪᴀʟ ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜ🎁🎁🎊.
I daily drive a classic Range Rover so a car like this in theory should appeal to me. But I’m with Tony on this it just does nothing for me even with the negative connotations to Ineos and it’s owner aside
I saw them in Silverdale a couple of weeks ago crossing Morecambe Bay. Love one and would swap my L322 Range Rover for one….if they were about 40k. I think there’s a market for a basic utilitarian motor with modern running gear that would rival the pickups. At north of £50k starting price, £0 pm on my old L322 V8 is very attractive in comparison.
Shame as I think they’ve missed a trick here as did the new Defender.
There are more basic versions of the Ineos which start at the same price as pickups etc. They are the ones that appeal to farmers etc.
I absolutely want and love this vehicle. Just need it in the US
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Great review, Sam! You capture the unease around what is a pretty exciting new vechile perfectly. At the price, the offroad ability isn't enough. In the UK, most people (even enthusiasts and people who genuinely need it) will be on the black stuff a significant amount of the time. Therefore, the 'cool factor' or use case needs to be significant to want one and live with the quirks as a daily
There is a huge world out there. The tiny UK cannot ever be a benchmark. Having said that, even the W463 Geländewagen can and do go places here in Africa. I think the Grenadier is closer to that than an old Defender.
Great vid, great vehicle. I’d love one of those to handle the snow and country roads around here.
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Fantastic video STG keep up the great work love your coffee thank you so much
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love the ineos, what should have been the new Defender
I’ve been super excited to experience it
Finally, a replacement for the discovery 4; tried the new defender twice - first one Land Rover took back. The second one still had too many faults, so was sold.
6:58
FINALLY got to hear the toot button! 😁
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Just so you all know, this is one of around 100 prototype vehicles made in Austria, serial production im Hambach still has not started yet.
Love the buttons and look of interior. I’m not an off road I g farm going driver but I would want to be if I had this
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Driven the 3L petrol on road.....very sluggish take-off from stand-still. Quiet, smooth, comfortable. The footrest that intrudes into the footwell isn't noticeable on short runs but might be annoying on longer ones....the solution would be to make the accelerator and brake pedals longer and move seat back a bit. Speedo position not a problem. Visibility is good....even out of rear window with the split and tyre....wing mirrors give good vision. There is a lack of feel from the steering but there's no problem actually turning...but you only know you're turning when you actually see the front going round. The 'play' isn't a problem, can't say it was really noticeable and the slow return to centre isn't either as personally I don't leave it to the vehicle to do that.
Price is comparable to other vehicles of similar nature...it has very good build quality and judging by reviews excellent off-road capability...with the benefit that having far less electronics more fixable in the field compared to the new Defender for example.
10 month+ wait though unless get a cancelled order....spec and price as is of course.
Finally!!!! Someone pressed that bl**dy toot bottom... Very entertaining review, thanks a lot!
Look wise, I think it looks like the offspring of Defender mother and G-Wagon father, raised in France by French mistress? Lol
Wish it wasn't so BMW, great video regardless
Land Rover missed a trick.. big time.. the new LR Defender is not an evolution of the original Defender .. yes, I know it's more capable... but like you say Sam, the Grenadier is focussed.. in the same way the old Defender was.. Had I not modified my own 110 Defender to the same spec as mr JWW's, but without the jacked up suspension and big wheels, I could've easily seen myself ordering a Grenadier in a heartbeat. The Ineos Grenadier shares something else quite unique with the old Defender... It's a classless car.. You can't pigeon hole anyone who drives one. The only point I don't agree on is price.. having looked at one closely in the flesh last Friday in Edinburgh, I think it's an absolute bargain for what you get. All personal of course! Great video!!
Love the video and was originally commenting to say you should’ve popped into diddly squat but I think it is still closed.
Been following this for a while. The main caveat I have is the front appears a bit pinched to my eyes, don't know how else to describe it. Servicing doesn't bother me as I used to drive to another country for my previous car and can easily fix multiple issues myself.
3:53 Utalitarian? Nice.
Looks fantastic, but for me this is very much a bespoke option. This has to be a specific purchase. A tool that's needed. Much the same way as a farmer buys a plough. I've always wanted a big enough lawn to justify a ride on mower. Now I want a property with a long unmade drive.
Nice vid, Sam. Being a new manufacturer, at £70k the only chance it has is, if at least a 7 year warranty offered. If so, buy it for farm or adventure, and keep it 10 years plus. Presumably, part of their initial brief was to beat Land Rover build quality?
Durability is one of their key objectives ;)
They offer 12 years warranty against corrosion... but of course the mechanical warranty would be more interesting.
The utility version starts at 58k and for commercial use you can get the taxes off... I think it could make sense if they can build a dealer network with maintenance service. But cooperations will be difficult since the mechanics are such a mixture of different brands.
Should Last 30 years for the money they want for it
These are gona take off, this is what the defender should have been but that’s now to polished. Cheaper too if you get into a base. 60k gets you nothing nowadays anyway
It going to be nice when have Big tyres.
Loved it
HOW IS THE WIND NOISE WHILE YOU ON YOUR 250 MILES TRIP ALSO HOW IS THE BRAKING
Nice video
No mention of the driver's foot well issues some others have highlighted.
I genuinely didn’t find it an issue
@@seenthroughglass that's very interesting Sam, it was Johnny (late brake show channel) that highlighted it. I will look forward to trying one myself.
@@sweetfreedomGBI’m about 6ft tall and got to sit in one here in Australia. I can confirm that the RHD driving position is ergonomically a disaster for me! My left leg was jacked up and pinned between the wheel and centre dash due to the “foot rest”. Brake pedal and accelerator are skewed to the right with an awkward stretch to the accelerator pedal. This would be a tiresome and painful position for long trips - like we do so often here is Australia. I had one on order but cancelled.
@@johncanalese588 such a shame
I love it. I want one
Good review as many others.......guess I am going to check it out at the dealer, that comes from a 110 driver 😀
I have a feeling these will hold their value better than other £70k utility vehicles. Time will tell..
Like it how it's presented from u to us... Nice vehicle for that staff and practical. Love it!!
Hi Sam, great video! Could you pleaase let us know what your Father thinks of the Ineos Grenadier? It maked me curiuos.
Like it, looks very cool and has niche appeal, but just can’t see there being enough of a market for it to be worth making long term.
Yeah it is pretty cool.
It's the fusion of a G wagon and Defender
I absolutely would love to own one and put it to use but the pricetag is a bit just a bit high:(
Was really hoping for the off-road bit.