WATCH LIVE: Oxford School Shooter’s Dad on Trial - MI v. James Crumbley - Day Three
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- James Crumbley, the father of Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley, is being charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter after his son killed four of his classmates and injured several others in the tragic 2021 school shooting. A jury has found Crumbley’s wife, Jennifer Crumbley, guilty of the same charges. Their son, Ethan Crumbley, faces life behind bars.
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Mom said they were so cash strapped that there was not enough money to put her son, the murderer, on her health plan. Yet money for targets, boxes of ammo, multiple guns, visits to a shooting range. That’s just Jennifer putting her priorities in order.
You forget the monies spent on the horses!
Their priorities: Anything & everything except their son.
And vet visits for the horses!
Everything but their son mattered!
And $2000 a month on her horses.
The Crumbleys KNEW Ethan was a problem.
Picture the moment after the school sends out that active emergency alert. EVERY parent is immediately on their way to the school....except the Crumbleys. You know where James Crumbley headed? Home. To check on the gun.
They knew. But they were busy with their own lives, & they'd spent a lifetime ignoring Ethan anyway. Neglectful parents mostly get away with it. The issue for the Crumbleys is that the teenage boy they were ignoring was a sociopath.
I believe they bought him the gun and left it accessible to him because they were actually secretly hoping he would unalive himself. I do think they were not expecting him to harm others. But they really had no interest in actually spending their time on parenting, so it would have been convenient for their priorities to have him out of the way.
Who would have thought giving a troubled young man a gun, help train the boy to use the gun, ignore signs of a violent person and teacher reports of his troubling thoughts and behavior, would ever hurt anyone?
Most shooters cases don’t have a dad who trained him in shooting and had a mom who told him “not to get caught” while looking up the types of bullets he wanted during class.
WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO BUY A GUN FOR A KNOWINGLY DEPRESSED KID.
His parents gave him the bullets and the gun which would be much harder to obtain as a 15 year old if he just tried to get them with out because of the legal age to buy a 22.
Hopefully this case will stop parents from buying guns for their kids thus keeping kids from killing there peers with legally obtained guns
The gun could have been obtained illegally even if his dad didn’t buy him the 22. However it would be harder and risker than the legal way.
The shooter waited for his dad to buy him one. It is possible that if his parents didn’t buy the gun he wouldnt be able to kill someone as he waited until he was allowed by a parent
@@karishaase4800 Good point...They bought the gun over the Thanksgiving holiday, and he shot up the school on the first day back to class. in the police interview, James claimed that the gun was stored separately from the empty magazines, and the bullets were in a third location. IF that is even true, I think it sounds even worse. It couldn't be very well hidden if the kid found all 3 items supposedly in different places.
How upsetting and triggering it must've been for the victims and families to see and hear the shooter at the gun range 💔
The father should be punished as well just like the mother and the shooter were. The parents are just as guilty as the shooter. Remember the scenario of the bank robber and the person driving the getaway car? In that case both are guilty of robbing the bank. And if the robber shoots and kills, the driver is also guilty of homicide. So, I have no pity for the Crumbley family. Only sorrow and sadness for the victims.😢
Your analogy is awful!
I hope James Crumbley is found innocent. Jennifer Crumbley was the adulterer, liar , cheater, abuser. James and Ethan were her victims.
@@sirvilhelmofyonderland Agreed!
They both shouldn't of gotten charged for manslaughter maybe child neglect but not manslaughter that kid would of found a way unfortunately it was 2 late for him but RIP to the innocent kids who lost their lives he is serving life and that's worse than a death sentence in my books
@@sirvilhelmofyonderland Agree completely.
Um. The counselor is not on trial ma’am…..
Why is she screaming every question? Sweet baby J. Her client has headphones on, so that’s not it.
Not yet. He was named in the lawsuits against the school.
The counselor did his job. He was not responsible for discipline.
@@lorigreen4134 The counselor did NOT do his job. And it seems the defense and the prosecution are both tippy-toeing around him so the counselor won't get in trouble. Why didn't the counselor ask the ONE OBVIOUS QUESTION he should have asked? Why didn't the counselor ask Ethan if he had a gun on school premises? Ethan was sad and broken down, and he was telling the truth to the counselor. Why didn't the counselor even attempt to ask this obvious question? The counselor should be fired, and the Vice Principal should be fired for having no real duties at the school.
@@BradJames878 Maybe he should’ve asked Ethan if he had access to a gun, but as soon as the parents were called to the school and saw his drawings of a handgun and a dead body, they absolutely should’ve told the counselor that they purchased him a similar handgun for a Christmas just four days earlier. Jennifer took him shooting on Saturday with his present and on Tuesday they see that math worksheet and don’t make a connection that it looks just like the gun they have at home. Even without guns in the home any decent parent who saw that paper would’ve taken their kid out of school immediately to get them help. Why on earth would the school have thought it was possible for this disturbed kid to have access to a gun? Yes, they should’ve searched his bag, they should’ve insisted the parents take him out of school instead of giving them a choice. At least they recognized that Ethan needed and wanted help instead of laughing at him. They had no way to know that these parents were neglectful and wildly irresponsible with a deadly weapon.
It's amazing how everybody's so trusting around him with the loaded gun at the gun range...Can't believe it. Shocking. The nutbag could have pulled the gun on anybody there, including his mother......geeeezeeee, just crazy.
Man, if your job is to help young people make good choices that is a HARD JOB.
That’s an understatement. I couldn’t even imagine.
Does the female prosecutor always speak this way, as she did in the questioning of the special agent?
I was wondering if anyone noticed it too….she seems off, not like she was during his wife’s trial
I was wondering the same thing about the female prosecutor she seems off for sure.
Kind of odd. She IS the County Prosecutor!
I think the whole gun laws needs a huge overhaul!!!😢
We have plenty of gun laws. Most crimes are committed with stolen guns. Hinder the rights of law abiding citizens and you won't be able to defend yourself if needed. This is clearly the parents fault. And a new precedent was set with Jennifer Crumbly. One that I believe was needed. More parents need to be held accountable. Especially with one's that have kids in gangs that are underage. Where they know their kids are committing crimes. And if there wasn't a gun they would find another way to mass kill. Homemade bombs, setting fires etc. No, we don't need more gun laws that will keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens, while criminals will still have theirs.
What law would have prevented this without violating the constitution?
@travispratt6327 then you can't say he's guilty if that's how u feel... I honestly think the shooter would of found a way I don't think the parents are guilty at first I did. Ut really he was gonna so it one way or another
Absolutely agree. The constitution guarantees the right to bear arms, every state has a right to regulate how you bear and treat those guns!!!
Why was the first part of what the second guy had to say cut out? What incompetence from the school are they hiding? And why does everyone interject when the defense attorney starts asking about a possible gun in the backpack? Why didn't the counselors ask the kid if he had a gun? Why didn't they check the backpack? For days, teachers have been emailing their concerns to the counselors about the kid and pictures/videos of guns? The school should be sued into oblivion for the deaths of these 4 people, and the two people on the stand in this video should be imprisoned for their incompetence.
I can’t help thinking that his parents coming to the school that day and seeing his drawings, and hearing what the counselor had to say, and already knowing he was in distress BUT still being “too busy” to help him then and there was the final straw for this kid. It was like they absolutely couldn’t be bothered with any of it. 😢
“Making wise choices.” Adults first please. Then maybe kids will follow. 🤦♀️
Its time that the courts start holding parents responsible for their children. I knew the day I had my first child that I was responsible for them and what they did till they were 18. Now days parents are held responsible for NOTHING their children do. Some people deserve kids and some dont. These parents, thank God only had one. They knew how much he needed help, they just didnt care. Mom wanted her horses and another man, Dad just wanted to go to his job to get away from everything. I hope they find him as guilty as they found his wife and WHY does he use headphones?
We need better responsibility with guns and young children
Anyone else catch Crumbley giving the ATF agent the finger at the end? He deliberately put his middle finger on his earphones!! OBVIOUS! He did switch to his index finger for a second...
In my humble opinion, I think he was giving everybody the finger on the other side of the room
I noticed his middle finger.
Why is she yelllling???
Because she thinks her thoughts and opinions will make a difference in how the jury decides the case
@@florenceglenn4627 if I was on the jury I would receive that very differently than she’d like to. It seems like she attacks every witness so far…
Accountability Huh….. Proper Justice for everyone…
Prosecutor Karen Mcdonald is awful. I’d leave it to Mr Keast though this trial he’s being too pushy imo.
She is the DA. I think she’s excellent.
@@lorigreen4134 I don’t.
@@lorigreen4134I know she’s the DA I live here.
clearly prosecutors been watching the Rust trial with suddenly including “ this gun has been made safe” “how do we ensure the gun is handled properly to ensure it’s safe”
Same questions they asked during Mom’s trial, a few weeks before “rust”. Mom’s trial went so far as to bring the gun and the UNOPENED trigger lock that came with the handgun parents bought him at age 15.
Who is on trial? The counselor/ social worker or the dad?
Exactly!
The guy who bought a 15 year old a gun and failed to lock it up. That guy.
I feel like the school counselor didn’t take this serious until Ms Vine was involved
1:32:03 Sir, I am SO sorry for your trauma!!! You are a victim. Sending you love, light, and healing energy!!! 🙏😇💫
But the teacher said she was a “ little worried.” So why didn’t the school counselor, take her serious? He assumed everything was alright. That teacher at least tried.
So 3 handguns, none stored properly. If this def attorney the prosecution? Good gosh!
All parents with weapon at home. Be afraid.
You don’t have to be afraid if you keep them properly locked up
Just curious what it would have taken for mr ejak to be alarmed
Me ejak could have asked Ethan to open his backpack
Or if you're scared like the OP seems to be.
Be a better parent!
I think it’s relevant that the parents had guns in their home well before the shooting. The gun itself was not the issue. It was a culmination of factors. Depression is not correlated to shootings. The parents are guilty of neglect but I’ve not seen proof of involuntary manslaughter. Unpopular opinion but I feel sorry for Ethan as well as all the families affected.
unpopular opinion. JC doesn't seem necessarily bright. I think he was pretty clueless. Mom seemed to be much more involved. I'm not sure as thought I'd find him guilty simply because of that.
It’s pretty clear Jennifer was the decision maker in the family. I suspect her narcissism broke the whole family down.
After telling his son to "suck it up" when he wanted some mental health help and plied him Xanax and booze and bought a gun for him. Cared more with the police about his parched throat instead of being more concerned about his killing son.
@@kenlang1070 You're aware he had never killed anyone or had any of the red flags of a mass shooter beforehand correct? Decent grades, didn't get in trouble, almost perfect attendance... you may be in a tizzy about the way he decided to handle the mental health issue, but that doesn't mean he should have known this was likely or even a serious threat, as even the trained professionals testified to.
@@travispratt6327 You are aware that he'll be found guilty, right? He has zero chance because the judge and prosecutor want to get reelected
@@lauramclaren3 oh 100%. She's guilty AF. He's just not real bright.
Who did the Judge ask if they wanted to be excluded from the courtroom?
She asked if the Families and survivors of the shooting would like to leave rather than watch.
Did they find him guilty
It just occurred to me today that they didn’t use the cable lock or safety features or hiding things very well because they knew their son was proficient at firearms (more so than them) and would never accidentally discharge a firearm. They never imagined he would shoot up the school… but they should have. That’s what they’re guilty of. Who else would be responsible for their teenagers actions but the parents. At the sacrifice of the victims: Lesson learned. 😢 The school also has a responsibility here. Js
This James Crumbley kid might've stood against fire and do something to further escalate the whole situation.
Hi Barbie this is Ken
I wish the prosecutor would object to repetitive questions with "asked and answered." I get what the defense is going for but it's too much
This is wrong the mom and dad going to jail for something their kid did wtf michigan like I said before the public wants someone to pay because a kid start shooting well that is life for you
Did the shooter ever tell the school that his parents bought him a gun for Christmas present?
There’s no evidence that the school knew that
No and neither did the parents when they were called into the office just hours before he started his shooting rampage.
Why didn't the school look at his social media and see it? Why didn't the counselor talk to him about his Thanksgiving break and maybe hear about how he went to a gun range? Maybe hit the jackpot and get him to talk about his new gun, maybe ask about the gun in the picture. Very basic detective stuff. Oh yeah, we are the student advocate. I wish I had one of those growing up.
@@kenlang1070 Because everyone involved, including the trained professionals, had no reason to think he was going to do what he did, as they testified to. You guys look after the fact and try and project your hindsight onto all these little "clues" the prosecution has put together, but they all happen very frequently and don't result in mass shootings.
@@kenlang1070 I agree with you 100% it just seemed like the guy on the stand was a bit inexperienced. He knew he went to the gun range with his dad. He could have started talking about that. what kind of gun did you draw, you know pretend like you don't know much about guns and get them to talk. What a complete failure in my opinion.
I feel sorry for everyone, that is including the parents of the killer.
I can’t feel sorry for the mother. The texts from Ethan when he much younger begging his mother to come home because he was scared and begging her to respond to him broke my heart. I think she was a narcissist bully to the father and largely ignored Ethan and he was crying out for help and for someone to love him. I do feel sorry for all the families and Ethan as well. I haven’t decided about the father just yet.
@@lauramclaren3 I don’t feel sorry for E’s parents a bit. E even tried to talk to his Dad. Even today Dad said you have people to talk to, or write in your journal. Parents never peeked in at his journal. Parents (Dad specifically) bought his FIFTEEN year old a handgun a few days before. And parents left it unsecure, unlocked. Accountability by parents needs to happen in todays world, IMO.
Defense move along from this topic 1:30:48
This states attorney voice sounds very shaky and says um a lot
I’m in the uk so not clued up with us gun laws, how is the dad up if the son was trailed as an adult ? I remember visiting my aunt in the states and she showed me her gun 😮 that’s the only gun I’ve ever seen/come into contact with ,
Is that much evidence against the dad?
If this school was that concerned then, it's even more awful they didn't seclude him until the end of the day!
I think it's shameful for this school to act as if they did everything they could & it was all the Crumbley's fault especially, when the school had knowledge about EC prior gun drawings, when his parents didn't.
They never asked, "hey what is this gun you drew on you math worksheet"?
I disagree completely. The school did all they could given the information they had. It was the parents who knew the entire situation.
@@lorigreen4134 and I completely disagree with you
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Care, people. Just frickin CARE. This young man needed help. Adults shrugged it off or rationalized it. Yes the parents are most responsible for their kid. But there is negligence on the school’s part too. I hope that will be addressed