F-One ML board review (90L)
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- the demo month continues...
I'm stoked to review this new F-One midlength board that I've spent many hours on in the past few weeks. I chose the 90L so I could get maximum water time with all this demo gear, but I wasn't sure how much I'd like something so big. as it turns out, this thing got me pleasantly surprised with everything I've thrown at it so far. as I write this, it hasn't been officially released on their website yet. so these are my thoughts and opinions going off of all these recent sessions on F-One gear, and overall I'm stoked on this board.
UPDATE: F-One is officially releasing these August 19th!
Also UPDATE: F-One said if they are looking to FoilDrive on their boards, reach out to bayareakitesurf.com and they can send you files to 3d print shims, both for their ML and DW pro boards. They also sent me the files so feel free to email me and I can provide as well!
FOne gear ridden in this video:
90L F-One ML board (5'10" x 20")
Eagle X 1000 foil 145 dw stab
Skate 1150 foil 200 carve stab
Eagle 1190 foil 170 dw stab & 210 stab
7Seas 1300 foil 170 dw stab
6m CWC Strike wing
5m Swing wing
Just completed my first 2 sessions on the new 100L Armstrong Mid, I'm about 90kg and I love it, turns great, doesn't feel big and it has a handle!
It has handles!!!! Oh dude I’m so jealous. Sounds awesome. I’d be a sweet size for me to have. I def think I could have even gone for the 85. I like easy. Enjoy bud! I wish you an awesome week!
Last weekend I tested the F-0ne 5’8” 78 liter ML.rocket wing board. My experience with this board is that I had better speed and performance than with my current 50 liter carbon wing board. This board is suitable to race with and turns are positive. Getting on foil is easy with this board and it rides very fast and perfect for me.
Awesome bud! I'd def consider the 78L for myself, but was so pleasantly surprised on the feel of the 90L. you are right on, def a great design and choice for racing. stoked to hear you dig it, and stoked the 78L seems to line up with the 90L I wanna try one now!
thanks bud, I wish you an awesome weekend!
Waiting for the review Army 75L vs Rocket ML 78L 🎉…😊
The Army ML is a completely different design concept not very comparable to me. The F-one ML is a knock off of the Amos Sultan Wing specially narrow with straight line vertical rails for ease getting up in the lightest wind.
Exelent review nice and detailed. F9ne has some great kit out for sure . The bulb nose is a big win in my eyes and the deck pad is 100% same as gong in a different colour way I love the slight slip as its great for shuffling feet and footswaps after a few weeks you get used to it
Looking forward to more on the sk8 and its glide potential compared to Eagle I'm still convinced aspect 8.5 is sweet spot for waves glide and turns .
Rocking T-shirt as well .have an awesome weekend . Still not a wave in sight here,roll on winter, later bud 😊
thanks so much as always bro! I was riding the sk8 1150 this past week and I can't believe how fast I can get it to go. Maybe I've just been so used to smaller foils, but the thing is so nice. I'd agree, the 8-ish AR is def a sweet spot. but smaller high aspects that have near the same lift are pretty rad too. and good to know about that deck pad. I'm gonna say I've become more used to it in the last few sessions. but one of my early sessions I had to take my booties off cause it was way too slick, I think it's actually gotten better. I hope all is well bud! I wish you an awesome week ahead!!
Great review Jeremy. Nailed it
woot woot! thanks Tucker(?)!!
Awesome review Jeremy, board looks amazing deffo a one quiver board. So far I am finding my Fantic Sky Stle 85l is doing everything I want at the moment. I have seen a lot of people on similair Gong boards as the ML F-One, and they are having a fun time, even 1.5 wing size less than normal. Hmmmm I think if my board broke or something then yes I would be in for this, but to have two boards I cant justify that yet 😁
thanks bud! appreciated!! yeah I'm trying to get by with my ML as my main board this year, I think it's gonna work fine. I still have a sinker that I just don't ride much anymore... I don't have the urge to be on super small stuff at this point in my progression. but if I could do it all again, this ML seems to suit my style a little more than the Armie board. And I'd prolly stay with the 90L. It's a good size for me at 77kg and the Jeremy from a year ago totally can't believe future Jeremy just said that!
lol, thanks again bud, I wish you an awesome weekend!
I was using Duotone Style 4'11 - 75 l a lot lately , very nice board, and I just bought F One midlenght 5'8 - 78 l for lighter winds. I have 3 sessions on midlenght and it feels great. If I had to choose one it would be midlenght. It accelerate faster, has better low end, and feels like shorter and wider board. My local spot has lots of light winds so I will have more winging days on midlenght.
I bought the 90L last week - going to try and have a one board quiver for travel
I hope you dig it bud! I’ve been thinking hard about the 78L in the past week. LMK what you think!
@@OCEANBOUND1 Especially interested in the sport v max batteries fitting on the stepped tail - please let us know any progress with a shim design your friend mentioned.
Thanks
@@vikingkitesurf hey FOne sent me a file for 3D printing of a shim. Either send me an email and I can share it reach out to them directly and they can help you. Bay Area Kitesurf is the North American distributor.
looking forward to the sk8 1150 test!
dude I did ride it once it waves, it's sooo nice. and speed testing with that and the 200 tail blew my mind. I've gotten it to 27.2mph. granted, I got the 850 to go to 29mph ripping down a big wave, but to get the 1150 going that fast on the flat! woot woot! really impressive that it can do that and turn so nicely too. I'm stoked on the sk8s. more on those soon... I'm still trying to figure out how to cover the foils in a video. thanks bud, I wish you an awesome day!
Hi from France Jeremy !
Again, thanks for your videos ;)
I'm considering to change my AFS Blackbird (first mid length in the market since 1 year ?) to this board or the Duotone Skybrid.
Do you have any info about construction of the Mid Length ? FOne still doesn't give info in the website, shops seems to don't know much, and all i can earn is the fact there is bamboo, but no info about renforcements on the deck and foil box.
A one board quiver is a great idea, but if the Fone ML does not have good renforcements at least in strategic places, it will make it unsuitable for little jump, especially for big guys like me (+100kg)
Regards
Greg
Sup bud! Sorry to leave you hanging. Big hello to you and your wingbuds in France!
I don’t know much about the construction. You can see carbon both on the underside and deck through the paint, although it doesn’t go all the way to the nose. I don’t know about what kind of carbon it is, or how thick or how they applied it. I can say that I have an Armstrong ML and it’s already cracked on the rail. So it’s a reminder to me how fragile it all can be. My last FG board I’ve repaired over a dozen cracks over 2 years of use, so I’m not the lightest user. I figure with my luck I’ll break anything I ride, the question is how bad.
I’ve seen my friends Blackbird and im sure I’d break that thing too 😂👊👊
I’m prolly not helping. But I guess I can’t really say anything that would help you out. I’m considering getting a 78L if that helps! I like the dimensions of it. Good luck and I wish you an awesome day!!
Hello jeremy, I share yours observations the armstrong ml vs the fone ml , i dont think you could prone the ml due to the recess in the deck and the bulb at least that what prevented me to do it with my rocket wing-s bord to much arch in the back and reduced arm length prevent you to paddle efficiently on your belly. I think you can swap foil between armstrong board and fone board tho they seem to have the same tail rocker, it’s to be confirmed, you noticed the apf foil worked well on the fone board, maybe you could try smaller foil to see... and the other way around fone foil on armstrong board 🤙 have a good week buddy.
sup bud! glad you share some of the same observations! yeah, the 90L is prolly too big for prone. I feel like I could prone my 75L Armie board, but it's def a thinner design and I suck at prone so I could be wildy off. I tried paddling all the FOne stuff and my skills just aren't' there, although I did feel close on the 1000 and 1150. I kinda wanna try the FOne stuff on my dw board. my Armie ML is in the shop, the rail kinda failed and it's being fixed under warranty :( but it's been a good month to be without it! I jumped with the 90L the last session or two and it was really nice landing and then taking off again. didn't feel too big, but was a little more awkward in raleys but my footstraps were a little loose. thanks bud, I wish you an awesome week!
I'm an early intermediate 75 kg just beginning to successfully complete jibes and foot switches, and looking at midlength boards to graduate from my 110L 29" wide board. I'm looking at 80-90L boards because my local Great Lake can have iffy winds and I always want to be able to schlog back. The only aspect I am nervous about is launching these narrow boards in the occasional heavy chop we get on strong wind days. The various brands of midlengths vary from 19-22 wide. Within this range do you think they are at all different in terms of ease of stabilizing yourself and the board to stand up, or would they all pretty much be the same? Or do the other design features come into play (as you noted for the wide fat tail of this board)?
sup bud! IMO all those factors add up. I have a 75L and it's def tippy when not moving. I fall off a good deal when getting on lately, but getting more of a hang of it every day. the 90L F-One was surprising how much smaller it felt but just floated better than my 75L Armstrong. the width is a huge factor in the tippyness, but I really think the flat tail of the FOne design helps the stability. I felt more stable. as soon as you get some forward motion, it gets a lot more stable. so if you go with the 90, I think that's your best bet for stability. you could make the 78L work too. it will sink more but not totally, sometimes that helps keep things stable. that's a big jump for you, but possible. not sure if I helped or not, LMK what you end up doing! I wish you an awesome day!
Hey Jeremy awesome review once again!! Just for comparison what’s your weight?!Also can’t wait for the sk8 1150 review I’m looking forward to it.
Thanks bud! 🙏 I’m 77kg or a little under 170 dry. And yeah I have a wave sesh with the 1150 and loved it. I really wanna compare that to the eagle X in the same session with some waves… working on that…
Yeah dude!! Great job ur doing!! I’ve used SS 1000&1400 but looking for something in between @90-95kg😅😅😂 To SUP foil and wing.
Great review thanks, v informative!
Out of interest, if you had to pick between your Armstrong and the Fone, which one would you keep?? I was all set on the 75lt Armstrong (im 72 dry) i can't decide! Cheers 🤙
ahhhhh man that's a tough one. I'm considering the 78L F-one. the rail on my ML cracked so I have a little bit of a bad taste in my mouth on it, but they are fixing under warranty. the Armstrong is light, but a little longer than the FOne. the FOne is 100% designed for winging, the armstrong more of a crossover with surfing, but I dont really prone so that's kinda moot point. the Armstrong feels a little faster to get up to speed, but the FOne design is really good and it rides like a high performance wing board. can't decide yet! I just got my ML back so I'll be riding that and thinking hard in teh next few weeks!
thanks bud, I wish you an awesome weekend!
Great value! Thanks! Will help in my decision process for mid length! Can you also comment short on seven seas 1100/1400 when testing the other foils? I am currently using seven seas…. Thanks!
sup bud! stoked you dug it. I only have the 1300 seven seas right now, and I've only ridden it twice under wing power and tried to paddle it with the ML but I just don't have those skills. I hope I can get out and paddle with it on my dw board before I cover the foils. it's a great foil for sure. but my style is gravitating to the sk8 and eagle x. so I'll see how much more time I can get on it. thanks, I wish you an awesome week!!
Definitely looks like more wingboard DNA. Interesting point about the Armstrong looking prone oriented. That can be a nice perk if / when a winger decides to try an occasional prone session - but I've been unrealistic about that in the past.
I'm looking to update my higher volume board one day. Between 12-18 mph I like my 85L (Older F-One Rocket) over my downwind board. Above that I've got a 60L (Naish Hoverboard) and 34L (Armstrong FG).
Would love to ride that downwind board less in the light winds here and midlengths look like the ticket there.
Curious if you think this 90L is close to as "nimble" as your Armstrong 75L ML?
yeah def a wing board. I've since read some of the FOne marketing about the ML and it's def not designed for anything but winging. the Armstrong stuff, they are def going for multiple genres. but I'm not sure if I'll ever prone it, but the possibility is there for a wind-less day I'm super bored. as for being nimble... they both feel nimble to me. there are a lot of parts of the 90 that feel like the 75. so it's been weird. unfortunately my Armie ML is getting repaired so I haven't had it compare. they are both longer than what I'm used to, but you can crank harder turns than my older board that was pretty wide, that's where I'm feeling the difference. the swing weight doesn't really feel like an issue to me.
Thanks Jeremy for the review.
Im about 86kg and use the new rocket s 70 litre (think its like 5'2 x 24) as my do it all board, along with the 1150 and 850 sk8s.
Have been wondering about adding the ML 105...i am surprised you can sup surf it as i dont think i could go below my 113 litre JP surf pro (8'6 x 29 inch) at 86kg (190 lbs), so assumed I would need the fone down wind board but don't really fancy something 7'5. You must have super good sup skills?
Questions
1. Did you try a fone down wind board by comparison?
2. Any thoughts on this ML versus the rocket s model?
2. Will you do a comparison of the eagle x and sk8? I keep hearing you can go smaller with the eagle?
Cheers buddy and good winds!
PS the deck pad on my 2024 70 litre also can feel a little slippery...lovely for feet swaps but occasionally you can slip when getting up (i guess could add some surf wax)
sorry bud I lost track of this comment!
for your weight, you could def do either the 90 or the 105... if you were thinking about paddling, then the 105 is probably the way to go. I personally don't consider myself a good SUP'r. but I've had a few dozen session on foil SUPs and I'm not terrible. if you have waves that are big enough, like 3.5ft, then paddling this onto them shouldn't be hard. the dw board in the past year has helped my paddle skills, so I can pretty much paddle straight without having to think of it. but you can def practice that on flatwater and be ready for waves. the guys at FOne were surprised I SUP'd it, it's def wing-oriented design--wise.
I have not tried one of their dw boards. just Armie boards and some KTs.
not a ton of thoughts on the rocket. I have a 48L Rocket and it's so different size-wise (like half) so it's not comparable. I haven't been on bigger Rockets.
I have 4 foils they sent me, and I think what I'm gonna do is talk mostly about the ones I really like, which is the Eagle X and the SK8 1150. I have only just started thinking about next weeks video, but that's the current plan. so you are in luck!
and good to know about the deck pad! I don't hate it at all, but one set of booties was super slick to the point I took them off.
anyway, thanks so much for the comment, I wish you an awesome weekend!
Excuse me，may I ask u aquestion ？How much do you weigh，you can use 90L boards? I am now intermediate level, weight 80kg, how much is appropriate
sup bud! I weigh 77kg. I own a 75L Armstrong ML and it's enough to float me, but this 90L felt small (in a good way) and totally normal. it' didn't feel too big for winging, the extra float was nice. you could probably go either way but if I owned one, I think it'd be the 90L FOne.
Hi Jeremy, thanks for the review.
I am really struggling choosing the right size of me. I am 82kg and I' d like to use the board in a very wide range of occasions from 12 to 20+ knots mainly with a sk8 950. Would you recommend the 9o L or the 105 L ? thanks!
sup bud! I think that 90L would work. I'm considering getting an 78L at this point for myself, I'm 77kg. I don't mind if it mostly floats, cause as soon as you get going it will ride higher in the water and be more efficient. it depends on how easy you want it to be. if you really want the BEST lightwind, the bigger will probably be better. but the 90L would be a good mix for everything.
def personal preference, but LMK what you end up getting! thanks for the comment bud I wish you an awesome day!
Hi Jeremy,
I was thinking about getting one as well. Mainly for winging flatwater and some waves. But no paddling so far. I’m not sure about the size though. I’m 70kg dry. It’s not supposed to be a light wind board only but more of a one board quiver for traveling and some straight jumps as well. Do you think the 78l could be enough when it comes to the advantages of the shape at my weight? There seem to be two opinions about the volume/body weight ratio and f-one says plus 15l for the advanced rider.
Highly appreciate your opinion since the Armie 75l would be my other option. Thanks a lot buddy!
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sup bud! always great seeing your comments :)
I'm 77kg, so the 75L Armie is on the top of the water, but most of it is slightly under the surface until you get some forward motion. so I assume the 78L would be close to the same for me, but the fact it's more condensed, it probably floats a little better. that said, the Armie has potential to get up to speed quicker. I think the 78L was like 2 inches shorter than the 90L, and 19 inches wide vs 20. the 78L is 5 inches shorter than the Armie 75L, so for an all arounder, it may be nice to have a little less length. but less width will make it a little more tippy.
I would have loved to compare the two back-to-back. I love my Armie board, but it's currently getting repaired (under warranty) cause the CF on the rail randomly cracked. I love their designs but I'm a little bummed that it cracked on it's 4th session. that's my usual luck though.
I personally think the 78L would be enough for your weight. I haven't seen the F-One's volume recommendations before, but I guess this 90L is right on the money for that +15. for you it could really go either way. I think if I had to buy one, I'd go with this 90L cause it's easy. I see my friends struggle half the time with their 50-60L boards and I'm not really into that extra effort.
Let me know what you end up with! I wish you an awesome weekend!
@@OCEANBOUND1hey man. I always appreciate your stoke being expressed in the videos! It always feels like I wanna jump over and get in the water!
I will keep you posted on my decision. There will be another review beginning of next week about the f-one ML. I guess as you said the armie is more the surfy style. The F-one the jump-once-in-a-while-do-it-all. I might really go just 8l above my weight. 90l would be the safe option but I m concerned about getting the board in the car as well. I’ll see. All the best!
@@OCEANBOUND1ah. Btw: do you think the 19” width could be too small?
20in stable for SUPfoil?
Did you ride it in choppy conditions?.
I have an AFS Whitebird 6.8 x 23 and it throws me off all the time on bumpy days, might be my (lowish) skill level of course.
Do you have a lot of SUP wave experience?
sup bud! yeah I rode in all different conditions. I think it's really stable, as long as you are moving forward a little bit. it's made for winging. the 90L has a good amount of float for my 77kg which just makes it easy in general. and I have decent foil SUP experience, I wouldn't consider myself THAT good but I've been doing it for a few years when the conditions align. that said, I've paddled this thing on two separate sessions, and those were def more challenging to balance on cause I was standing on something that didn't have a lot of volume or length compared to my DW board. but it's not made for SUP. I think for winging it's stable.
This is so weird. There is no info still on official page and i see shops already selling it 🤷♂
Yeah that’s weird! I only checked their website and figured if it was not there it was not out yet. They did give me the OK to post.
short question,
I just ordered an armstrong ml 75 l to use it with miy sk8 1050 on a 85 carbon mast. Can I use the f one screws and plates in the armstrong foil box?
Thanks for helping me out
Ulf
Sup bud! Yeah, from what I can tell they are compatible. The only thing, the FOne T nuts I’ve been using lately are kind of jagged where they press into the track, the Armstrong T nuts are flat. That may not be a big deal, but just pointing it out.
@@OCEANBOUND1 Thanks for your reply, just wanted to make sure they fit into the box. Thanks also for your videos, as we have a very similar taste when it comes to gear, they are a great help for me😁
Armstrong versus f one ml: ….which one is more stable in the standing up phase, waiting for standing up/start phase in little waves and flat water? Which is rolling more when not in forward motion? Thanks!
the 75L is partially sinking on me, which is a little more difficult in no wind IMO. so the 90L is better there, but it is taller, so slightly tippy but really not enough to be a noticeable pain. I'd rather be standing on the 90L without moving. it's easy.
FOne ML board in light winds has too much rocker on flat seas - good for getting up with the help of a wave
I can see that, but I was on the 90L which in ways was way bigger than I’d usually ride and it was pretty decent in light winds and at my flatwater spot. If I bought one for myself (heavily thinking about it) I think I’d go for the 78L which I expect would not be as good to get up in lighter winds.