The wages of sin is death (not eternal torment)
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- Опубліковано 6 бер 2018
- The traditional view of hell is not Biblical. Listen to what the Bible really says about the punishment of the wicked.
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"There will be no more death, crying and no more pain FOR THESE FORMER THINGS HAVE PASSED AWAY"
That is referring to those that are saved
@@susanpaine1513So those who are saved will be less loving, understanding, and kind than before they were saved?
That referred to the new Jerusalem
@@stevek8318 Good luck not crying while your children are being tortured.
@@susanpaine1513 Matthew 10:28
John 3:16
Exactly! The consequences for unrepentant sinners is death. The consequences are eternal.
This message made me love God even more. His love is perfect. Missing out on that perfect love for eternity is torture enough
Maybe from our perspective, but God has more to say on it then that.
Missing out by ceasing to exist is literally the opposite of torture. The Book of Revelation says the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. And with God having said, "Vengeance is Mine," damnation ultimately proves to be the revenge of a lover spurned (God, being the lover).
I feel the same way that you feel.
V Secret me too! It is just now I can 100% be the proudest Christian
Torture and torment are the same thing. He's not telling the truth about the second death
I know individuals whose belief in eternal torment is like a sacred tenet of their faith. They pretty much WANT the non-saved to be forever tortured.
That's not what Jesus Christ teaches.
How can one love thy neighbor if you want them to be tormented for ever..
Dang, sick line of thought.
@@Romin.777as a Christian, I will say that a lot of other Christians are messed up for wanting that..
@@jacobbrown6552 I agree, how is that following Christ?
Being burned and suffering an eternity for living in sin for a short lifetime in the flesh does seem pretty excessive.
Perhaps. But when you consider what the Lord Jesus Christ went through on Calvary's cross, when He was made the sin offering for God, that sinners like you and me should not have to suffer the Lake of Fire, but have eternal Life in Heaven, it shows how serious God treats sin. If that is what He did to His own Son, think what He will do to you likewise.
The real repulsiveness of this is that it is supposedly done for the mere sake of inflicting pain and nothing more.
Any human being doing such a thing might be classed as criminally insane.
Yes. We should evaluate God with our own moral compass, rather than have His way be our standard and let Him evaluate us, and have His law be our guide. God is little more than an idea we can customize, like a wood carving.
minutes ago edited it is! The Bible doesn’t teach that! The Bible says they will burn up, not root nor branch will be left, they become ashes. Being dead or alive is two different things. The Bible says the dead know not anything, their thoughts perish!
Is it Normal Yet? What!!
Since a small child I was brought up apostolic pentecost holiness until I heard this message. God led me to you brother. I thank you for obeying God and giving this message. I see Gods love more clearly and He made sure to lead me here to your channel. God bless you. Can't wait to meet you!! In this life or the next!!
Did you find a congregation to fellowship with? I am in the same position and I hope I can find like minded people to worship with! 🙏
Really needed to hear this! Have been stuck on this idea of eternal torment for a while now and it had been really getting me down. God bless you brother!
Eternal torment remains real. I mean This is just a weird video
@Mr Sir Naw; 1 Tim. 4:10; Col.1:20.21. Always read the full story my friend.
@@aioniansage6081 that's pretty powerful scripture to use to give argument to universal salvation, but I still don't believe it. There are only a few verses universalists believe in to prove this point. I'm not a believer, and I believe I will be destroyed in the fire of Gehanna. It's like I know it without a doubt within my soul.
@@aioniansage6081 if I say I'm a believer, but I'm not putting my faith in God, then I'm deceiving myself. I used to place my faith in Christ, but I stopped believing a few years ago. I know I've experienced Gods6 grace, I know that I used to have a deep zeal for God's word, and to be led by His Spirit. I still desire this even today, but in order for me to believe God must restore my faith because trying to do it myself is a work and only results in further despair and feeling even further from God.
I didn't get the rest of your message because it cut off, so I can't reply to the rest of it.
@@mount9421 nope
God said death is the punishment of sin not Torture
I HAVE BELIEVED THIS WAY FOR YEARS! IM SO GLAD OTHERS CAN READ THE BIBLE AND SEE THIS TOO!
It's a wrong interpretation.
He selective & leaves out many verses that contradict his errors.
@Gerald Polzin
Which verses in particular? I am interested in knowing the truth on this matter.
@@wesleynunez3825 scroll through the comments, you'll find a couple of mine that go into detail about this.
@@geraldpolzinjr9670 gonont0 ?
@@wesleynunez3825 sorry about that. Total typo. Meant to say into it. Also check out Revelation or a concordance.
After approx. 33 years of believing the eternal torment of those who are not redeemed, I finally came to the same opinion as you have, now for around 7+ years. There are a few verses that still
trouble me but I believe there is abundant scripture that supports the eventual annihilation of the "being" that sins. I do believe that all will appear before the great white throne and the lost will pay for their sins and crimes against humanity and that they will linger in the lake of fire until that debt is satisfied and then their "being" will cease to be forever. No other doctrine causes people to Hate and blame YHWH God than the eternal punishment in the lake of fire. Such a harsh punishment after only such a short lifetime on this earth. It makes YHWH a monster and cruel beyond belief.
The thought of "ceasing to be" is in itself a frightening prospect to consider.
I learned about this in prison through Bible Standard Ministries. So liberating.
I fell from my Christian faith for quite some time because of my belief that God torments the unsaved forever. I should have done more bible reading on my own. Eventually, I did just that and came to the same conclusion you did. Some Christians cite Matthew 25:46 “And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” When I say annihilation IS everlasting punishment, they tell me that in Greek or Hebrew punishment means affliction or torment and that the English translation is wrong. I found out that punishment is also a usage word in Greek. Just as it is written in the English bible. I'm shocked that some people seem to enjoy the idea that God would torment someone FOREVER and twist this verse to support their views. I'll be using this video from now on when the subject of eternal torment comes up again. Great Job!
The lake of fire is the second death not "second life in eternal torment"
Yes Amen
No no no, stop heaping to teachers with itching ears and read the bible and pray for understanding. Its very clear there is eternal punishment
Dude i like alot of your videos but my goodness you got this one all wrong!!!
Daniel 12:2 some will awaken to everlasting life some to everlasting contempt.
Mathew 25
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.
The parable of lazarus also explains eternal torment.
Isaiah 66
And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh
Matthew 18
if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire
Wrong lake of fire
last eternal
@@tiredofthecrap5050 yep why would they be resureccted just to be killed again.
Those who rebel against God and take the mark if the beast will have eternal torment.
@@j-rad2613 Eternal Punishment:
Death Is Eternal, The Sinner's Soul Will Be Dead Forever.
I'd rather not take the chance and just seek righteousness, thank you.
Android3k agreed
@Teflon Don faith without WORKS IS DEAD
If you do not accept Christ, you remain in dead works, the old covenant. Those who are in Christ have this new covenant, having been loosed from the law of Sinning and Dying (sin and death):
“This is the covenant I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord.
I will put My laws in their hearts
and inscribe them on their minds.”b
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”
For in the law righteousness cannot be attained. Instead, the old covenant reminded of sins, but the new covenant is a covenant of grace, and eternal life.
We are no longer bound to the flesh, and so waste away in the grave as those in the old days who did not believe in the hope that was revealed through the prophets. But Today, as long as Today stands, if you listen, you have a high priest greater than those in the old covenant, and have entered the rest which God spoke of in those days.
For a rest from dead works, in ordinances, and fear, and remembrance of sins is now open to those who believe.
And we have a high priest of immortal life, whose perfect eternal sacrifice stands. A sacrifice for the covering of sins, and providing cleansing of conscience, opening the way to God without fear.
And we have a high priest, a mediator, merciful and compassionate, having lived as one of us, and perfected in obedience to death.
It is the Spirit of God who remakes us to actualize the righteousness inferred in the law, and if the seed of God is in us, and as the promises of the new covenant cannot be broken, being established forever, we shall no longer exist as though one with the flesh.
The flesh shall wither, but we shall live towards a better hope.
@Teflon Don John 14:21" he that hath my Commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me, shall be loved of my father, and I will love him and will manifest myself to him."
@Teflon Don p.s dont confuse the SABBATH for sunday ,its the wrong day player
I came to this same conclusion years ago, just by reading the Bible in context and the clincher for me was the famous verse Jn 3:16, which shows clearly 2 options everlasting life or perish. Perish basically means that it will be like you never existed.
I think there will be such regret and sorrow for those without hope waiting in the grave for judgment because they will know it is too late to put anything right and too late to receive Pardon. They will be as prisoners awaiting sentence whereas those who know their Saviour will sleep or wait in peace in the grave until the Judgment. How terrible for the wicked to know from the grave that they will die a second death, never to enjoy life, and that they are nothing but stubble and refuse to be burnt up in the fire, the garbage dump because they had no love of the Truth that they might be saved from this. lex, I only discovered your channel recently but I have been really reading my Bible with new eyes over the last couple of years, taking off the lifetime of man's teaching, and there are amazing truths which have set me free. Thank you brother!
I have believed in the eternal torment for as long as I can remember. Until today, I was skeptical, but I prayed the Lord would allow me to hear what he wanted to say. I see what you're saying, and I agree. While I still have questions, I don't doubt. But why I comment. To me, something about being eternally destroyed, struck from existence into nothingness. That is far more frightening than eternal torment. As horrible as eternal pain would be, it seems equally as terrible, if not more so, to be completely stricken from existence.
it's much more merciful than being eternally tormented. put your finger close to fire for 3 seconds and imagine your whole body being burned for billion billion billion years. you haven't felt anything through thousands of years before you were born, the idea of seizing to exist is frightening because we were created to live forever, unless we chose to live and die with the world
Thank you, this actually makes so much more sense than what I believed, and God is good and just, thank you.
What's the opposite of life? Death (No life). What's the opposite of existence? Non-Existence? What's the opposite of eternal life? Eternal death. That simple.
@@danielblair4413 god gives all life. theres no life apart from god.
Death is not the opposite of life.. its the absence of life.. death cannot exist on its own.
yup
This message would win many more to Chriat. The eternal torment message makes God seem sadistic, and is what made me question Christianity.
I was born Christian. but i discovered that I was not able to love God more than I feared him until I found this truth
Funny enough I actually left the faith due to this topic.. I couldn't wrap my head around the idea of eternal torture, but thankfully I got the answers I wanted and have now come back to the faith.. The hell topic is so important, because it can make or break someone's view of the faith..
Repentance is a free will offering toward GOD. Without repentance, you cannot be a disciple. Without repentance you will never get on the strait and narrow Way. Amen.
But he isn't saying the opposite. So your comment is irrelevant to what he is saying. Do you need a gun pointed at your head to love someone? Of course not. You would see that as being forced and the person doing it as a criminal. So why the double standard? Describing God as being sadistically insane is a very grave sin which if you insist on propagating despite being shown evidence to the contrary, places your eternal destiny in serous jeopardy. There is a limit to God's patience.
Dear Joseph, nobody is saved by offering anything to God. God is almighty what makes you think he wants anything from you ?
You need to start reading scriptures, especially New Testament.
The gospel is what saves us: you must believe in finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary. Salvation is a free gift we receive through faith.
1 Cor. 15 1-4. REPENT means change your mind. Those who think they are serving God but are not saved are the ones who will hear "I never knew you".
blessings from born again Christian
@IMarkovic1995 good deeds are still needed. You have to show your faith with deeds. Just mentioning this as a reminder.
@IMarkovic1995 Whatever you say the REASON for doing good things is is your business and thinking. I just do them. They are needed anyway.
@IMarkovic1995 You are still stuck in that phase. Are you a Christian?
I agree lex people don’t study the meaning of Aeinos/everlasting and they also ignore most of the Bible or try to mold it to fit their life. To modern Christians: you cannot mold the Bible to fit your life, you must mold your life to fit the Bible
Jeff david no they don’t study the Bible. the English meanings of words dont always mean the same thing as the original texts meaning had
Jeff david I also didn’t say anything that showed I was immature or prideful I believe the Bible and only the Bible and the Bible says the second death is eternal destruction any other view is a heresy.
CHRISTIAN TRUTH so very true we must let God mold us into what He wants us to be!!! Praise God always day and night
CHRISTIAN TRUTH Can I ask what your studies of the Greek word aeinos has found about its real definition.
I don't know any modern Greeks who I can ask and if the ancient idiomatic understanding of that word has changed who's to know that it has?
Lizica Dumitru Aeinos in the Bible can mean eternal or everlasting it also means ages or a long time but not eternal the way you know the meaning of the word is in context when it’s talking about God Aeinos literally means eternal same as with those who received the right to eat of the fruit of the tree of life however in any other context it normally means a really long time
Thank you , you saved me time on this topic I agree with this message and reposted. Blessings on you .
Thank you for clarifying this. Your channel is so helpful. Much appreciated.
That is correct. But somehow some people think one can be both dead and alive at the same time. If so, then words have no meaning anymore.
They forget about the second death (spiritual death)
In the bible," death" simply means separation from God, not being destroyed.
@@JMRabil675 I don't think "death" in the Bible means anything other than death.
How about letting the Bible explain to us how in it "death" means something else?
Thank you! I sense that I had been on the edge of realizing this, but held onto the tradition... Thank you for reminding me of the context and the actual meaning of words
19 (AM)And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 (AN)Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and (AO)those who worshiped his image. (AP)These two were cast alive into the lake of fire (AQ)burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest (AR)were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. (AS)And all the birds (AT)were filled with their flesh.
Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, (A)having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of (B)the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and (C)set a seal on him, (D)so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.
The Saints Reign with Christ 1,000 Years
4 And I saw (E)thrones, and they sat on them, and (F)judgment was committed to them. Then I saw (G)the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, (H)who had not worshiped the beast (I)or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they (J)lived and (K)reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such (L)the second death has no power, but they shall be (M)priests of God and of Christ, (N)and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Satanic Rebellion Crushed(O)
7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out (P)to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, (Q)Gog and Magog, (R)to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 (S)They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone (T)where[b] the beast and the false prophet are. And they (U)will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Revelation 19:19-20:10
Note the beast and the false prophet were not destroyed
I've actually a year ago came to this view and it was very freeing in many ways. I always felt like i was bending scripture. Even as kid i was confused why the wages of sin is death meant other than how it reads. I've successfully convinced a number people which is awesome. They too feel set free too.
Every teaching I've heard from you came to me many years ago. It's so good to listen to you holding
out for the true Gospel. God bless you.
LEX I like the way you do your youtube studies, thanks for all the good work you are doing
"You must unlearn what you have learned." Yoda
George lucas
Learn you did, unlearn you must...
It's better than the all consuming existential crisis I've lived with for years. The hell view I've labored under just taught me to fear a sadistic deity that was just waiting for one screw up. I believed even if I did make it into heaven I'd be under the constant strain of policing my behavior so I wouldn't get kicked out. After a while the strain of living up to God's standards and constantly walking on egg shells would be so bad I'd just willingly opt for the lake of eternal torment I was doomed to end up in anyways. I'm glad you've done these series. I feel something akin to hope now.
The Bible does not say that you go to heaven. The "Kingdom of God ---- is not going to heaven."
How are you now?
@@lisalisa6821 I'd say, better. This has toughened me up. When the Covid crisis hit I was one of the few who didn't go into panic mode when friends, family, and coworkers were losing it. I feel as if God let me go through an emotional wringer so I'd stop looking inward and moping. A lot of people have had to lose much more than me in order to gain some understanding.
@@TheProtronic Glad to hear that you doing better, I know exactly what feels like what you discribed in your comment above so it's really good to see that you became stronger
@@lisalisa6821 Thanks. What's your story?
Thank you for these videos
Thank you very much for this. May God bless you for what you’re doing.
The confusion comes from Revelation (imo) when the disobedient angels are cast into the fire and are eternally tormented, because they are immortal.
Exactly.
Yo...
@kevcooper3037 you have a chapter and verse for that?
He missed these scriptures.
I really want to believe what he is saying but!
Mark 9:43-48
[43]And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[44]Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[45]And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[46]Where THEIR WORM DIETH NOT, and the fire is not quenched.
[47]And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
[48]Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Revelation 20:10,14-15
[10]And the devil that deceived them was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented DAY and NIGHT for EVER and EVER.
[14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15]And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE.
@@carriebasso5075 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth-Gog and Magog-and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
It is Satan and the demons who are cast into the eternal fire, humans who follow them are consumed by the fire from the sky.
But what about Revelation 14 : 9-11 ? 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
What does that mean >. Doesn't that mean eternal torment ???
Is 'Apocalyse' suppose to be a book in the bible?
yeah, in some bible it is called ' Revelations '
In what Bible version is it called 'Apocalypse'? And it is 'Revelation' without the 's', the full name is 'The Revelation Of Jesus Christ'
Yeah Sorry, this text have been taken from the King James Bible, Revelation 14 : 9-11.
Thanks for your answer, I know it is a parable, but what does it mean, if not eternal torment. It's my question.
You are good. Please never stop this till the very last breath. Keep the good work and let the world know the truth. God bless you
Hello Lex, I've been following your work for some time now and I've been blessed by it, so thank you and God bless you and your ministry. Regarding this topic, what would be your opinion about people who have had Near Death Experiences (NDE) and what they report? (some christian, some non-believers, some with solid previous testimonies and credibility)...maybe that would be a good topic for a future video)... Thanks again.
I TOO POLITELY ASKED. NEVER GOT AN ANSWER. I GUESS HE WANTS US TO BUY HIS BOOK, AND WATCH HIS VIDEO'S. GO WITH WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT TELLS YOU. BE YE FULL, BROTHER! MAY YAH BLESS YOU.
Have you heard of something called DMT?
Thanks for posting the video and providing a different view on eternal life and death. One question though - when I read through Revelation 14:6-13, it mentions that those that worship the beast and his image and receive his mark will be tormented and that the smoke of their torment ascends for ever and ever, and that they will have no rest day or night. What does this mean with respect to what you've mentioned in your video? Do these people die or will they be tormented for eternity? I ask because I have always found this topic very interesting, and as you noted, there are so many teachings on the matter. Which one can be correct?
Please note that this is not intended to refute what you are saying. I genuinely wish to know what that passage means. Is there another way to look at it?
Read it again. Does it say that their torment will continue forever, or does it say that the SMOKE of their torment rises forever? God will always be aware of those who were destroyed. Also, having no rest day or night does not indicate anything eternal. A person can have a time where they have no rest for a week, or even a month, or even years, and that is still not eternal, even though it’s a long time.
My grandma recently died at age 94. She was the most kind woman you will ever meet and had such a pure heart. She was a nurse for 35 years and was so selfless and put everyone else first. She joyfully served everyone around her and loved everyone. However, she was an atheist. I’ve been taught my whole life that unbelievers are damned to hell and tortured for all eternity. I can’t wrap my head around my sweet old grandma burning in hell for all eternity because she wasn’t religious at all.
I concur, when all scripture is keept in context this is really the only way it can be seen.
Watched debate yesterday...thank you for sharing and keeping the peace. Lex Meyer in my opinion your presentations were clear, concise and short enough for me not to loose focus. Thank you. Yhwh continue to bless you.
But He also left out all the verses that contradicts his inaccurate claims.
@@geraldpolzinjr9670 This person ---- is correct.
I am so glad he posted this, " The Soul that sinnith surely shall Die"!!!
Taken completely out of context.
And you know what happens after the wicked die? They're punished for ever in the lake of fire.
@@geraldpolzinjr9670including babies
@@bruce3242 don't be ridiculous.
God bless you for your work🙏✝️
You are really knowledgeable, you are doing great work!! :)
Second death is what the Lawless will receive, the fire is eternal, the punishment is eternal too.. once our Father destroys the souls they are not coming back, therefore technically it is an everlasting punishment 😉
Damian William No, your punishment will only be finite, after you pass out of existence you can't be punished anymore. I agree his doctrine is contradicting the Bible.
Rocket lawnchair The _punishing_ will be finite but the punishment (results of the judgment that brings the publishing - kind of like a verdict) itself will be eternal.
Damian Williams right, exactly
Lizica Dumitru yes
The consequence is everlasting because the wicked will cease to exist.
Finally...more people are exposing Satan's biggest lie!!!
No, this is a false teaching. Revelation 22:14-15 "Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates in the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murders and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie" So this verse basically explains that those who practice a lie, and practice sin, shall be outside of the kingdom and never enter. You are practicing a lie
@@slarkel506 REPOST THIS AGAIN! THIS GUY HAS BEEN REFUTED AND THINKS HE KNOWS WHO THE ALMIGHTY IS. THERE ARE TOO MANY LETTERS, EPISTLES, BOOK OF ENOCH (WHETHER YOU WANNA CALL IT PSEUDO OR NOT " SAME AS APOCRYPHA") AND I'M SORRY BUT THE COUNT OF THE NUMBER OF NDE'''S AND "DE's?", YOU WON'T GET A RESPONSE FROM HIM THOUGH, AND WE ARE TO CALL OUT THOSE WHO PREACH ANOTHER GOSPEL and false teachings.. REPOST THAT @slarkel !
@Teflon Don I will tell you what I told android3k;
We don't rely on our good works for our salvation. We are saved BY grace, THROUGH faith, and that faith itself is a gift from Yah. After receiving Yeshua Messiah as our Saviour, He baptizes us with His Ruach Ha'Kodesh, which is our Helper who He promised to send to us after He returned to the Father in heaven. It is through the sanctification of God that we are even able to tishuvah (Jewish word for repentance), and work righteousness, AS A RESULT OF SALVATION, NOT TO OBTAIN IT! Please understand this imperative truth.
@max marrero exactly! This evil doctrine of eternal torment doesn't help people to want to go to be with that kind of god forever. The real Father of Eternity is a good God, who is just, perfect, wise, benevolent and cares deeply about His children. For this reason He sent His only begotten Son, Yeshua Messiah, into the world, out of eternity, to Tabernacle amongst us, and pay our full sin debt, but only if we receive it and Trust Him with all of our hearts. What could be better than that?!! Satan was the liar who devised the eternal torture idea.
@Teflon Don sure he did not say salvation is by works
thank you for that perfect Insight of understanding eternal life and eternal death I was confused myself but you had broke it down and made my hopes much more higher into the father yahuwah and his son Yeshua hamashiach thank you God bless you and keep doing what you doing cuz it's working... I'm so grateful thank you for this important lesson LEX!!! love you brother
Thank you so much for this video!!!!!
Thank you. I always read this in the Bible and never understood where eternal punishment came from.
Thank you for your channel.
I too have had many similar epiphanies of the scriptures as you have, evidenced by your videos.
Thank you. Your channel confirms that I didn't go through all that studying, praying, and experiences for nothing. It brought me great comfort. Thank you brother!
I just saw your videos recently and especially appreciate your Christmas videos.
Many people told me I was crazy for thinking Christmas was pagan at its historical roots.
Didn't matter if I told the history and meaning of the stuff, people are deeply indoctrinated.
Yeah that's exactly what the Devil wants you to do is feeling comfortable to sit and listen to this man's Lies.
You will surely die. Gen. 2:17. Satan does the same tactics today.
This helped me!
Excellent job brother! I did a study on this topic a few years back & found the same scriptures that you talked about. It is a fairly simple truth to discover.because the bible is very clear about the matter. This leads me to wonder why every preacher in America teach people the lie of eternal torture. I'm assuming they read the same bible as you & I.
I’m not trying to be contentious, and the following are intended as questions rather than statements. And like most who hope to find Yeshua's true word, I am merely in search of the truth and not attempting to dictate or "preach".
One thing that many like to say is that "Jesus talked about hell more than heaven". But since hell is a Germanic derivative of the name of Loki's daughter and as such has more association with paganism than any faith with Abrahamic roots, such a statement is highly debatable.
But even if Yeshua did talk of "hell" more than heaven, if it's a points-based system where the amount of times something is mentioned in the bible constitutes truth, then "human" death and destruction indisputably triumphs over eternal torment.
Of course, those who preach eternal punishment of hell will stick to their guns, but unless they have absolutely indisputable proof that the doctrine of eternal torment is valid; have they not considered that on the day of judgement God may ask them the question: “Why have you spent your life lying about me”? After all, didn't Yeshua say something along the lines of "On that day, many will say Lord Lord..."?
Yeshua said "do not be deceived". The problem with deception, is by nature of deception you won't know you're being deceived, and the moment you think you're on top of deception, you've probably just been deceived.
As I said, these are questions not statements. The truth will set you free, but the dictation of hell doesn't sound very free to me if people only conform through terror instead of love.
Phil R "why have you spent your life lying about me"
Man that's powerful.
Comment of the year 😌
Wow points to ponder. Well said.
Love your teachings. Please keep them coming!
You are in my prayers...
Thank you so much for your honesty on this issue. 🙏✡
The star of David is not of God, it's scriptural but as a rebuke for adopting the star of remphan of the temple of moloch... It's satanic
Thank you for bringing forth truth.
I really need somebody who went trough something similar to answer me; has anybody else had a full blown existential crisis because of this question?
Yes! I have religious OCD, so very much yes.
@@skinnyrabbit668 Ugh same here, I have religious OCD too
Yes! You are saying the exact same thing that I was telling someone yesterday. Conclusions I came to through my own experience and understanding of who God is, open minded Bible reading and common sense. It is the view that is most in line with scripture as I see it, and I’m so encouraged to hear others argue from the exact same scriptures. It just seems so obvious! No need to reinterpret or anything. Seems plain as day. I have had this view for many years, but been silent about it. The unity of the Church is very important to me, and I wouldn’t want to create controversy or a split, but at the same time, I know what an unnecessary stumbling block the doctrine of eternal torment can be. The ones I have shared my views with have not been able to refute it, but people are afraid of believing heresy, and I don’t want to cause a doubt in what they have been taught, which might lead them to doubt other sound doctrines... And yet, I feel that maybe this is the time to speak up. The doctrine of eternal torment does not cause me to evangelize more, it would rather depress and paralyze me if I was to take it seriously. I still want to save people from the wrath to come, but what motivates me most to reach out to people, is Jesus’ desire for his lost bride. He suffered and died because of his love for her. I want him to get his full reward for his suffering. I’m longing to see people set free and receive eternal life, which is not only immortality, but abundance of life in God.
Thank you so much for all these informative videos! So much to learn! Question: does the Bible speak of cremation? Is it a sin to do this? I have heard different options, but is it biblical? Thanks for sharing 😊
When the people of Jabes found the bodies of king Saul and his sons nailed on the wall by the Filistines they removed the bodies from the wall and burned them. After that the buiried the bones. See 1 Samuel chapter 31.
Great video!!!
So then, why does the bible say that they will be cast into the lake of fire and it will never be quenched.
VdeoMakeR it means you cant put out the fire it will go out after the wicked are destroyed
VdeoMakeR Yes I would like him to explain or reinterpret the 20 bible verses that talk about eternal punishment in hell, the lake of fire, instead of quoting scriptures that talk about physical death. Adam and eve brought physical death into the world by eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, the wages of sin are physical death. He wants to interpret all those Bible verses like it means that you will die in hell. I can't image any church accepting his doctrine about hell, its too flawed and contradictory to the Bible. the concept of hell is apparently too harsh:
2 Timothy 4 verse 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,
Read his book on this topic, I am sure it will answer most of your questions. I am not sure why he doesn't plug it more. It is a really good read, you can read it for free on Kindle I think...
www.amazon.com/Immortal-Truth-about-Heaven-Resurrection/dp/1497594898
Rocket lawnchair doesn’t make sense. So god punished sin by giving Adam and Eve a physical death, but eternal life in heaven through spiritual means? Where is this anywhere in scripture?
John 14
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will *come again* and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Christ has to come again in order for us to be with him. The lake of fire is a place PREPARED for Satan and his angels. He WILL be put there. He isn’t there now. And this is his fate when he comes to his destined place.
Ezekiel 28
18 By the multitude of your iniquities,
in the unrighteousness of your trade
you profaned your sanctuaries;
so I brought fire out from your midst;
it consumed you,
and I turned you to ashes on the earth
in the sight of all who saw you.
19 All who know you among the peoples
are appalled at you;
you have come to a dreadful end
and shall *be no more forever*
Does this sound like an eternal punishment to you? For Satan himself even?
Revelation 21
4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have *passed away*
No more it said. No more doesn’t mean still existing somewhere, and forever and ever doesn’t mean all of eternity. If you can actually show me a verse to prove your view then we can discuss it. But I promise you, I’ve found “forever and ever” and “smoke rises up forever” for things that aren’t even happening anymore.
Isaiah 34
10 Night and day it shall not be quenched;
its smoke shall go up forever.
From generation to generation it shall lie waste;
none shall pass through it forever and ever.
11 But the hawk and the porcupine shall possess it,
the owl and the raven shall dwell in it.
He shall stretch the line of confusionfn over it,
and the plumb line of emptiness.
12 Its nobles--there is no one there to call it a kingdom,
and all its princes shall be nothing.
How are animals going to posses a land covered in fire. Their smoke rising up forever means their end can’t be undone. This kingdom has fallen by God, and it’s obviously not a field of fire forever if animals are able to inhabit it eventually. But their smoke WILL rise up forever, and it won’t be quenched because you can never undo what is done. I don’t think that Satan will be destroyed but the wicked in mankind will suffer forever. I believe their punishment is eternal however, and it can’t be undone. I mean I definitely could be wrong I’m nowhere near a biblical scholar so, I’m definitely open to ideas. But take in mind the following
2 Thessalonians 1
5 ¶ This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering--
6 since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you,
7 and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels
8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
9 They will suffer the punishment of *eternal destruction* away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,
10 when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed
Rocket lawnchair if the wage for sin is physical death, why do those forgiven of sin, believers in Jesus Christ, still physically die? I think it must mean spiritually, not physically.
Good debate yestetday, i feel like this is a serious issue and pushes alot of people away from the Bible. First thing atheists say is, 'im not subscribing to a God that loves you infinitely... But if you dont accept him will torture you in fire forever.. After 80 years of mediocre 'sin' '.
Steven Mactavish non existence is infinite too never ends
Yeah, death is pretty permanent. :D
lukas williams there is no such thing as "mediocre sin". All sin is equallly separating us from God when it is committed. Thats like saying i just sinned a little. Point is.... You sinned!!
But can infinite mercy and infinite punishment co-exist?
Yes it is, it is missing out from experiencing life and love with God forever. It is the opposite of the reconciliation, God's original plan after sin separated us from Hom
Thank you for preaching the truth.
I really enjoy your channel and appreciate your dedication to upholding Scripture. You certainly present some great biblical evidence for your argument.
My one question after watching the video is: how we are we to understand the Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31) parable? Is the rich man's torment then only temporary?
Thank you brother. I have prayed that I will find a way to discern what is the true word and what has been spun by man to keep us far from grace. Praise Yeshua
Discernment is a gift you don't have. Lex is lying to you.
Amen Brother! Just made a video about this going into great depths of the scripture. Over and over again the language in the Bible is "death, destroyed, and perish." I think it's pretty straightforward and clear! However it seems to me that people will hear whatever they want to hear, and disregard anything that doesn't fit in with their current paradigm. In any case, thank you for spreading this message and sharing the truth about God's love and plan for humanity! God bless you!
Have you not read Revelation???
Seriously, it's very straightforward and clear. Rev 15:11 No rest, day or night for ever and ever!
@@geraldpolzinjr9670 I'm looking for Rev15:11. No such thing.
@@timtooker8332 yeah he’s not gonna Reply to you
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In one of the main, most well known Bible verses, this teaching is made pretty clear. John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not PERISH (to die or be destroyed through violence, privation, etc.: to pass away or disappear: to suffer destruction or ruin) but have eternal life." Notice the comparison from the mouth of Jesus: those that don't believe in Him shall PERISH, while those that do believe will LIVE for eternity.
God also does not enjoy destroying the wicked but he has no choice but to because he's also just.
IMarkovic1995 Your problem is we don't know what religion is right. Their is no evidence for it.
Some places in the bible argue different things. Some places eternal tourment. Some all being saved. Some anailation.
Now a God of light love and life would not tourture people for ever.
He would not cause people to be deader than dead.
The bible is full of metaphors. We just don't know which one is meant litteral.
But eternal tourture conflicts with a loving God. No one could argue that a God that loves you will not tourture you for ever.
A God of life will not earase the mind body and soul out of existence.
So my point is its just. Comman sense that with the attributes assigned to the biblical God eternal tourture and anailation are just metaphors.
Shane Strickland did you watch the video
@@sambeshalom879 Yea I watched it why.
@@sambeshalom879 Plus their are some places that can argue different things was my point.
Plus free will does not exist at all.
Plus their are places in the bible that says God fullfiles all his desires.
That God wills all mean to be saved.
That God will reconcile all things in heaven and earth and under the earth rather they be visible and invisible to himself.
Infact a proper translation of the bible does not include eternal torment are eternally being wiped out
Plus anailation has alot of flaws in it.
Plus a proper translation of the bible mentions being anialated for the eon are the age.
But not an eternal enialation.
Point being God is in control of everything Good and bad.
In the book of Romans it says God creat's vessels for honner and dishonner.
Their are places that says faith itself is a gift from God and not by the works of the flesh least any man boast.
It says somewhere in the book of isiah that God creat's evil.
They get the word evil from the Hebrew word Raw.
This includes all forms of evil.
Shane Strickland find the scripture where God creates evil. There is such thing as free will. You just get punished for being rebellious
Dang, the Jehovah's Witnesses may be a heretical group but when it comes to Soul Sleep and The Lake of Fire, they were SHOCKINGLY accurate. God Bless them, may Jehovah's Witnesses come to know Jesus, for he is Jehovah in the flesh! John 1:1-14
Wow! I actually understand for the first time in my life! God bless you for shedding light on the dark and deceitful false teachings SO MAnY of believe in to the condemnation of our lives & souls! The gospel, salvation & all of Yashua's (Jesus) teachings all make sense, and the whole scripture is one wonderous book to guide us to salvation and living a victorious life by pleasing the heavenly father by following His commandnets as a guide book for life.
Great teaching, GOD bless you brother.
it makes sense. i always wondered about Gods mercy enduring forever and yet allowing souls to be tormented forever. makes more sense to blot them out. i have had some family members and friends horribly murdered and i don't want the people who did it to be tormented forever if they remain unrepentant. better that they are justly blotted out.
Kaos 9966 - Sorry, but that cannot happen. You and I are indwelt by a living soul will lives forever. It will endure in Hades then the Lake of Fire if you are not a child of God with sins forgiven through faith in Jesus Christ. If however you have been saved by Grace through faith in Christ's atoning sacrifice to put away sin, then you will be with Christ in Heaven when you die and then you will have your part in the New Jerusalem which comes down out of Heaven from God.
Lawrence Smeaton there is no such thing as an eternal soul on this earth! The soul that sins it shall die! Bible!
Nikao they will be destroyed and will never be again, they will be as though they never were.
This is great! Thank you so much for clearing this up 👍🏼
It's not cleared up, He only told you a couple thing's & left out more that contradicts what he said.
@@geraldpolzinjr9670 so the Bible itself is contradicting?
I love your Chanel thank you
So what do we do with Mark 9 vs 48.
The worm thereof dieth not and the fire is not quenched. Do we take this verse out of the bible
Brother, please listen...
Daniel 12:
"But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt"
(One must be everlasting to experience everlasting contempt.)
Matthew 25:
"... And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
(One who no longer exists can no longer be punished, but this is not so. The damned will be sentenced to "eternal punishment" which means they will be as eternal as their punishment.)
Revelation 20:
"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.... "
(There isn't even any other way to interpret this. "forever and ever" they will be "tormented". How can you be tormented forever if you no longer exist?)
Jude 13:
"[These people are] wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever"
(How can God reserve darkness for someone forever if they no longer exist?)
What more can be said? Souls are not material, so they cannot be "destroyed" in the same way as a physical body. The destruction of the soul that Yeshua mentions is not the same as physical destruction. It is destruction of ability. I get the impression that the lake of fire is both physical and metaphysical. The Word makes clear that fire purifies, but their souls can never be purified. They are left in an eternal "flame" but can never be pure, so they are tormented forever. By the way, the ashes under the feet of the righteous refers to the aftermath of Satan's army who will surround Yeshua's camp, but then be destroyed by fire raining down from Heaven. It has nothing to do with the more metaphysical "Lake of Fire".
There is eternal reward and eternal punishment. Once God gives his breath of life, he doesn't take it back. Souls are final, this is why punishment is nessecary in the first place.
I pray for you discernment, my brother. Do not be satisfied, always be ready and willing to test the Word. Not because the Word is in error, it isn't, but because we are imperfect.
You are loved
Samuel The Fox You are soooo correct. Now dont get me wrong the Brother normally has good teachings BUT on this one he missed the mark. His teaching is of the views of Seven Day Adventist and he also contridicted himself. there was no need to EXPLAIN HELL IN THE BEGINING TO ADAM AND EVE as they were perfect so using biblical references from there can be misleading. There are 2 deaths, one to all man and woman in the physical death ( flesh made mortal from sin) and the soul. The soul of human will be judged which is immortal and house Gods spirit. It must return to God to answer to the statutes of Gods law. As the judgement hasnt taken place All awaits the judgememt for second death. Some however will not experience this first death as they will be "raptured" upon his return... Like Elijah.... Then the tribulation where the toutue of the wicked will happen as explained in the rich man and Lazarus, then Gods eternal Judgement Where those in Hades will with Satan himself be anialiated forever. He is misinformed and has to go a little deeper to get out of his head what he was taught. God did not destroy Lucifer and his legion of fallen angles. He cast them out of heaven just as he did with Adam and Eve. The difference is by Gods love he predestined and created the Tree of Life as a way for man to have access Back into his Kingdom.... These fallen angels are also spirits but demonic in nature as they opposed God. They have no human body but thy to appeal and tempt man to be in defiance to God. This is how Adam and Eve were able to communicate with Satan before sin just as God is. So after sin both Adam and Eve realised they were naked meaning Gods Spirit left them and they were now prisoners to Satan giving him power and dominion over them. God cursed Satan into the form of a snake to now make humans aware of these evil spirits who have no physical body BUT wants to TEMPT AND OR initially dwell within YOUR SOUL. This is why he will destroy the wicked. For some like Jezebel they literally open up their souls to house the demonic spirits giving them a mortal body to operate with.
So he must understand ALL OF THIS BEFORE HE CAN MAKE SUCH CONCLUSIONS. EVEN JOB THINKING WAS NO MATCH FOR GOD.
This dangerous ! I believe Jesus taught us to be aware of eternal separation. He preached more about hell than anything else! Shalom my brothers and sisters in Messiah ❤️
Liz Lopez Yes, souls cannot be destroyed. The metaphysical spirit is immortal, everyone will spend eternity either with reward or punishment!
Christ Soldier Yes, it's unfortunate that he sees this point so wrongly, as it is a pretty critical thing to get right as an evangelist... By the way, be careful of using the word "annihilate" as the word would imply "absolute destruction" rather than "eternal punishment". But I thank you for backing me as a fellow sibling in Christ. ❤️
Samuel The Fox it broke my heart and I am praying this brothers repents and does a video on the Truth about hell ,
God’s word is very clear and eternal.
I stand on the word of the mighty Holy G-d of Israel, and with you my brother in Messiah.
Blessings and help me pray for those being deceived and mislead to astray ! May G-d have mercy and we repent !
Amen blessings
Matthew 25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
exactly. Also Matthew 25:46: And these shall go away into *everlasting punishment* : but the righteous into life eternal.
KrazyKid9000 everlasting punishment means the punishment for sin which is eternal destruction will last forever and the eternal fire is the fire of God - God is the consuming fire...
Not one verse in both of your comments used the word “torment”
@@kidusyohanness8855 How can death be tormented? Revelation 20:14
cease to exist that name
@@kidusyohanness8855eternal is mistranslated in kjv it’s actually eons.
lex i have a question on one of your videos about your book immortal you say there will be people who dont make it to the kingdom of Christ and are wailing and gnashing teeth however Jesus explains in his parable of the wheats and the tares that he shall send forth his angels and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend and do inquity and cast them into a fiery furnace
doesnt this mean all unbelievers will be killed at his coming or will some be spared?
I saw in the Bible two opposite biblical wishes: 1, unbelievers perish 2, believers do not perish but obtain eternal life.
But what kind of life? In flesh or just in spirit?
what about revelation saying they burn with no rest day and night
juan b i think that's just Satan and his angels. Not people.
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Gabriel Talbot
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But what about Revelation 14 : 9-11 ? 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
What does that mean >. Doesn't that mean eternal torment ???
juan b The text specifically says that regarding the people who worship the Beast during the time of its mark, not for all unbelievers through all of time. I don't see this as scriptures talking about the common understanding of hell.
juan b just means for a long time until their souls are destroyed.
juan b Is there day and night in eternity?
So what about the certain rich man and Lazarus; Jesus Illustrated the rich man in torment?
It was a parable.
Barry Hornby it was a story
Being set on fire is torture
Actually it wasn't a story or a parable; He said it was a certain rich man and a man named Lazarus. These are actual people, actual occurrence. This is what separates it from a parable or some random story.
Barry Hornby they were not actual occurrences it was a parable just because he said there was a certain person doesn’t mean it was a real event
Thank you, great video, enlightening.
which bible are you reading from? Thank you and God Bless!
Thank you Lex. That's the interpretation I got on my own so the scriptures from the beginning. It is a shame that myths about eternal torment has been taught for so long by the churches for all the wrong reasons probably. Thanks for speaking out on this.
If you study church history, the invention of eternal torture was not even mentioned by any of the scholars until 500 years after the death of Christ with the introduction of platonic ideas involving the immortality of the soul.
Then maybe the Revelation is a late addition and does not belong to the Bible?
Interesting you said that, I‘ve just read about church history where it says after the fall of the Roman empire, things got chaotic and the theological knowledge started to decrease
My brother Thank-You! So much!
Hey thanks for explaining this, i wanted to point out at the end you said "hoping for another body and another chance at life to live eternally". could you help explain what you said ?
The believers will receive a gloryfied body and will have eternal life.
The good news - gospel is that you can be forgiven your sins AND LIVE FOREVER.
That is only a part ---- of the Gospel.
Makes sense. I've always FELT this cannot be true. Not the One True God I know. Great video, as usual. Thank you for all you do! 😊
You felt wrong! It is absolutely true. Rev 14:11
And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”
@@geraldpolzinjr9670 Read the Bible! The dead are concious of nothing!
@@wkdgrneyes Read Luke 16:19-31 I can assure you, they're plenty conscious.
@@geraldpolzinjr9670 Nah if you can pick and choose, so can I. Good day!
Amen. When we pray for our eyes of understanding to be enlightened. God will send one to open our eyes to the truth. Unlearn lies.
I have a scary question, I feel like a terrible sinner and I keep making the same mistakes over and over but I'm by know means a bad person. I'm 28 but I'm wondering what fate I'm going to receive. In your opinion, what till happen to me when I die???
Kyle Hofmeister If you repented and believed of Jesus, you’re sealed. He died for your sins. Go to BBC International, probably the best channel on UA-cam about salvation and Christianity.
Wow. That really makes sense. It's crazy how many doctrines of the "New Testament Churches" aren't founded in scripture at all, or even the New Testament they claim is still in effect.
Daniel 12 (KJV)
1: And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2: And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Ryan the Raptor Guy It is true that the Bible says, "the wages of sin is death" (Ro. 6:23). By saying what this guy is saying in the video he is gambling the whole of his eternity on the meaning of one word: "death." He assumes it means the "termination of existence," but his assumption is erroneous. as a little reasoning should reveal.
For instance Hitler was responsible for the cruel deaths of six million Jews, many of whom were children. Was his death "the wages" of his unspeakably terrible sins? If death is the end, then God will give you the exact same wages as Hitler. That would mean that God is unjust, which is unthinkable.
The person who believes that our demise is the end is in for the shock of their death. Their physical death (separation from their body) is just the beginning. There is going to be a resurrection of every human being, both "the just and the unjust" (see Acts 24:15). This is not referring to the good and the bad, because the Scriptures tell us that there are no "good" people (see Psa 14:1-3; Mark 10:18). There are only those who have been made "just" before God, by the shed blood of Jesus Christ.
Through the Gospel, God freely justifies all those who come in childlike faith to the Saviour. That means He proclaims us innocent-as though we had never sinned in the first place- and we become part of the "just." However, those who die in their sins, "the unjust," will "fall into the hands of the living God" (Heb. 10:31). That is a very fearful thing, because He will give them justice- their exact wages due to them- and if that happens, there will be no hell to pay. They will be thrown into the lake of fire, "which is the second death" (Rev. 20:14; 21:8).
Nehemías Pedret Anton, stop saying that the man is gambling his eternity. God is not going to throw you in hell for believing in annihilation of the wicked verses eternal torment. Either way, it is separation from God, and each is a punishment.
Furthermore, the Bible is clear on what we must do to be saved.
Repent, believe on Jesus Christ for forgiveness, and confess Jesus (Yeshua) and believe that God has raised Jesus from the dead.
NopFor OpposingForce , I believe the eternal torment you're referencing is talking about satan, the fallen angels, the false prophet and beast, not for the typical unsaved person who will be destroyed to ash.
@@christfollower7315 you also have to hear the gospel, the word of God, you must have faith which causes you to act and yes repent confess Jesus to be the son of God be baptized and live faithfully unto death
I have always wondered about eternal torment doctrine. I know the Roman Catholic church was big on this doctrine.
It is ETERNAL torment. It's written in the bible:
"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" - Matthew 25:41
“Then they will go away to ETERNAL punishment, but the righteous to ETERNAL life.” - Matthew 25:46
Out of this all, people at their last breath will still belive in the torture theories because they are afraid not to. They will think ,"well I will just take no chances and believe the torture teachings right out of fear of the unknown.
What about "the gnashing of teeth" I hear about? I was taught in church that they'll be the gnashing of teeth in "hell" or wherever they are. The people in Abraham's bossom could look over and see people in suffering. In the story of Lazarus, the rich man asked for a drop of water to cool his tongue. If you could put these into context it would help me a lot. I know it's up to me too read my Bible to answer my questions but I've only recently started to do this. I like your videos because they point me in the right direction. May GOD bless you
Timothy Farrand yup
+Timothy Farrand I think many theologians interpret that verse (and that place) as a kind of pre-new testament holding area. (If they believe in multiple locations after death, or a final burning up like this guy.)
Timothy Farrand “there will be weeping and nashing of teeth.”
The dead cannot weep, nor can they nash their teeth, please see my above comment with the Scriptures pertaining to the state of the dead?
Timothy Farrand even IF annihilation is true, there wil stil be punishment, a.k.a teeth gnashing... how long ever it takes, there wil be gnashing.
Timothy Farrand Just because they wicked will be destroyed forever does not mean that there will not be a season of torment before their final destruction.
The unsaved will be resurrected for a second time and in that time it'll be the "great white throne judgement". It could be in this time that the weeping and gnashing of teeth occur and after the second death.
How then do you explain the multiple references to hell and Hades and the "eternal knashing of teeth?" Not arguing, I'm listening. I just can't connect ALL the dots to your theory
Celi Leon I love how he chooses ever so wisely who he responds to and who he ignores in the comment section.
Celi Leon "Eternal gnashing of teeth?" Got scripture for the eternal portion of that?
there is weeping and gnashing of teeth verses but where does it say 'eternal"?
Son of Man It doesn't, the assumption that hell is eternal, linked with weeping and gnashing of teeth equals the assumption that the weeping and gnashing of teeth is also eternal. An incorrect inference in my estimation.
And the word for eternal here is aionios- meaning perpetual / eternal.
Yes. This is a simple truth. Death means death. Not separation nor eternal torment. Be blessed
Couple of things here, and very interesting topic. I'm trying to learn more on it so thank you for making this. 1) Jesus DID refer to us as gods (elohim) in John 10:31-37 (referencing Psalm 82). Also 2) the rich man/poor man issue. Was it a story to get us to understand a point, like the issue of plucking out one's eye/cutting off your right hand, ect?
You're wrong. Hebrews 9:27
27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment.
And what about the story about the rich man and Lazarus ) Luke 16:19-31) where the rich man died and found himself in Hades, in agony?
Does the phrase "..where there will be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth.." ring a bell??
What happens is that when we have been indoctrinated for so many years with a piece of information that is not really based in the Bible is hard to accept. I used to think the same as you before... But, once you discover the truth, it hard to understand how we thought about eternal torment. God said to Adan and Eve when they fall, "you will die" that was the warning, nothing about eternal fire, etc. Also, the apostle Paul NEVER talked about it!!! He said in so many places... payment for sin is death. Sorry for my English. I hope you understand what I am trying to explain to you, and I hope God guides you to understand and accept that what this guy said in this video is 100% the truth. Even...I do not agree with all his videos, but I completely agree with this one.
That's a parable about the intermediate state. 'Gnashing of teeth' is about anger not torment
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Luke 16:23 and in Hades he (the rich man) lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus.