The Trad Wife Trend Is Getting Extremely Dark
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2024
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"Influencers tied to institutional right-wing media have are clashing with “tradwife” influencers in a battle for clicks over extreme misogyny and regressive gender politics.
In recent months, Turning Point USA’s Alex Clark, BlazeTV podcaster Allie Beth Stuckey, influencer Mikhaila Peterson, and other right wing media figures have taken aim at two insurgent communities that - like Clark et al. - speak to or about young women. They have claimed that creators in the so-called tradwife and manosphere communities are “narcissists,” grifters, and perhaps worst of all, “not Christian.""
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My mother was a house wife in the 50s. I was born in the 50s. I remember when she and my father decided they were going on birth control after 5 kids. (7 pregnancies). It was a difficult decision for them being devout catholics. I clearly remember my father's saying unless the pope Was going to come to his house and help with the children he was done having kids. My Mother then went back to college. All through my high school years she was going to night school and graduated with her BA at age 50. She couldn't wait to become a contributing part of society. I will always be grateful for her example. I was on birth control at age 15 & Was able to finish my college without any unwanted pregnancies. A grandmother myself now I couldn't imagine a world where women were not allowed to contribute their gifts & pursue their dreams.
I love your story. It is really what I was trying to say. In your short story you made my point so clear. I am a 76 year old women
I have seen both sides. Thank you for telling it like it sides.
Wait.. so her having 5 kids wasn't contributing to society to you? But going to college is... lmao 🤣 no wonder we have the "society" we have today in "America" times are a changing your way.. you can have it.
@@jdahighroller9389 Making 5 kids is not contributing to society. Raising them could be considered a contribution.
@@jdahighroller9389your intellectual dishonesty is staggering. Even the Coran says that an educated woman is better for her progeny, so college should be a minimum BEFORE having a child.
You’re a lucky woman my devout Catholic mother believes my devout Catholic brother has the right to molest. She had five kids to.
If she thinks women are not competent enough to be able to vote, then how does she assume that she is competent enough to decide if women should be able to vote?
lmao
So what is the Tradhusband? Breadwinner, faithful, loving, good father and respectful husband? No cheating, no vices, no abuses, no risky behavior, no mid-life-crisis? No extremes?
Exactly! These right-wing dude bros want a June Cleaver without having to do Ward Cleaver stuff.
Are you trying to say a man who is faithful, loving, no cheating, no abuses, etc. is a bad thing??
@@georgecrumb8442 no they’re asking if there’s a trad husband for the females. Like men want this perfect woman, do we have that option as well? Can we expect nothing but the best from males or it’s just us that have to be in servitude for the rest of our lives?
@@gildamartinez4604 The OP said a "trad husband" is a man that is "faithful, loving, respectful, no cheating, no vices, no abuses". Yes, you should expect that from men, including "trad" husbands -- seems like a pretty easy bar to achieve.
@@georgecrumb8442 in 46 years, I have yet to see any man that meets that mark. Not even my own husband who passed away 5 years ago
I am 64 years old. When I was a young student nurse I had an experience that stuck with me. An older gentleman came to the hospital with severe abdominal pain and a high fever. Doctors quickly diagnosed him with a rupturing gallbladder. By this time his temperature was plummeting and he was in shock. The doctor asked his wife and grown daughter to send him to emergency surgery. And they said no, daddy always went to old Doc Weaver from macungie and we can’t do a thing without his permission. The doctor said do you understand your father will die if we don’t do something right now? With that the man began to vomit and had to be suctioned to keep from choking. It was very difficult because he was disoriented and combative. Well no, we’re sorry. Finally the doctor said I’m calling this doctor weaver. He explained the problem and the elderly physician said ohGod are they there? He got the wife and daughter on the phone and said for Gods sake send him to surgery NOW! Then he said I’m coming over. The patient died during surgery due to the delay. Dr weaver told me “I have known this family all their lives. The father was extremely overbearing and the wife and daughter extremely submissive. Only he could adjust the window shades or change channels on TV. He decided which neighbors they were allowed to talk to. The daughter never married or worked outside the home. He never allowed them to make decisions for themselves. Now that he needs them to, they can’t “. I never forgot that. Different families divide up responsibilities different ways. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with being a stay at home mom but handing over decision making about major areas of your life is not realistic or healthy for anyone in the family. Wendi RN
I was born in 1959. I’m old enough to remember when most of our moms were stay at home mothers. And my grandmother was an old fashioned housewife. And somehow they managed to have family values without being this extreme
My grandmother was old fashioned about everything. If there weren’t old fashioned housewives she’d have had to invent them
That's a really extreme situation. It actually sounds like the wife and daughter had special needs. If not, then the husband/father was just completely abusive. I don't think anyone condones this sort of arrangement. Just like working wife's and mothers don't hate their children and never see them. Right?
A traditional wife has no power. The second her husband dumps her for a newer model she will suffer financial consequences .If she has no credentials and her husband dies then she’s screwed big time. Women need to be employable for the sake of their kids.
Men who push the trad Wonderbread Sharia want total female enslavement. They want men to be able to discard women and leave them with nothing. They see women as useless and disposable. They hate women.
what financia consequence? to this day divorce rullings heavily favour women
Meanwhile, liberal arts majors have no "credentials," no skills, no money, but a ton of debt. A divorced wife at least gets alimony. A "modern" woman gets nothing.
Stay at home wives has always been a privilege. Women of lower socioeconomic status have always worked. They were servants, factory workers, farm workers, and even miners.
This!!!!
They would have laughed so hard to hear a woman say she wanted to work! 🤣
I’m an old man with an economics degree. I was extremely fortunate that I had a good job in the 70’s and didn’t need any additional income so I encouraged my wife to do what she wanted to do. She chose to stay at home and take care of the kids. When they went to school, she took a job as a teacher. She chose her path every step along the way.
Spouses who stay home with kids when they're babies is respectable. But once the kids go to school the stay at home spouse needs to find a job. No matter how rich I was, I would never allow a spouse to sit home all day while I bust my hump.
And that's the right way to treat a woman...the mother of your children. You're a good man.
@@dennismsanquini83 So when you come home after a day of both of you working, who is cooking, cleaning, doing laundry, making sure the homework gets done, the kids do their chores, brush their teeth etc? As long as you're doing your fair share ....
@dennismsanquini83 I left teaching to stay home, forced to retire early by the system because i expect to be out more than 5 years. I'll be homeschooling, instead. This is the best job I could've ever imagined for myself. So grateful there are still men willing to make it a choice.
would it have made financial sense for her to work while the kids were young?
It'd be nice if women who wanted to be tradwives could be tradwives and women who didn't want to, didn't have to.
I’m sure there’s women who want to who can’t afford to, and I’m sure there’s women who don’t want to who don’t have many other options. It’s unfortunate, but thankfully, most Western women have some degree of choice in how their future looks.
Actually that's completely accessible, as a lifestyle , not necessarily to not work though, to anyone who wants to, as long as they want to and aren't coerced and she can leave when enough is enough
Trad wives in the 50s were frequently put in mental hospitals for mental (nervous) breakdowns, and yes alcoholism.
And suffered from “hysteria.” Or was that previous decades?
@@crystalw8050 being called hysterical was still common then, yes.
It's sad to think of the degree to which a woman who stepped out of line was in danger of being institutionalized.
@@crystalw8050oh god, female hysteria was some weird times back then for doctors treating women, one of the treatments for women with the condition was giving women orgasms by massage to the point the electric vibrator was invented because doctors were having problems with tired hands, true story 😂
You realize that women (and people in general) are the most mentally ill generation in history? You realize that suicide and depression among girls/women are at all time high? You realize that women are less happy now then ever? You realize that the therapy industry and drug industry are raking in money off of the mental health of women right now?
Back in the 50's, if a man beat his wife, the neighbors would take the attitude that it's none of their business. Even the cops would stay out of it.
Cops still dont care
This is false and propagandistic. You have no understanding of the 50s, but I'm glad your little bogeyman -- or bogey era -- helps you sleep at night. In fact, even judges/courts condemned men for beating their wives, because it was supposed to be his duty to protect women. Meanwhile, in 2023, LIBERAL men send death and rape threats to women when they say they don't want to be called menstruators. I'm sure grifter Ana knows all about it.
which has nothing to do with a woman playing a more natural role in the home.
@@jodiebasye9798this has everything to do with women choosing this path and their safety 🤔
As a southerner now living in California, I tell you the fact that beautiful rural southern states are hell bent on making life harder for working people of every sort is maddening.
Yet, those limited, brainwashed supporters of the right are just too stupid to see what's being done....yet they think that THE LEFT are the stupid, and evil, ones. It's true Twilight Zone shit, yet comic at the same time, and they say the idiocy they spew with such cockiness and arrogance, thinking "they're truly in the know" when they're nothing but marks CONSTANTLY lied to by their pols and pundits. Republican pols and pundits primed them wonderfully for the likes of Dumb Don the Con for decades. Look at their states and how piss poor in NUMEROUS categories they tend to be, overall. Smmfh.
Why on earth would you ever make that move? You poor soul.
@@RealCarringtonInstitute
Probably got tired of living in a poor, republikkkan controlled welfare state.
With its lack of education, socal mobility, jobs that pay 7.50 hr., lack of medical care and representation like Majorie Green, that makes you look like a ignorant hillbilly hayseed.
There are lots of reasons for leaving those backwards impoverished Southern States.
After all, you can't eat beautiful scenery or earn a nickel if poverty and squalor is all around you.
@@RealCarringtonInstitutebecause she's intelligent and has a good heart which is what's missing with trumptards🤡👈
💙California #1 Always and Forever 🇺🇲
@@RealCarringtonInstituteWhy would you ever stay in the south? Only the suckers and grifters stay.
My mother was quite young when she married my dad. This meant she would have gone straight from living at home to being married. It was Dad that suggested that she get a job during their engagement, just so she could get a taste of working outside of the home. This was in 1936. She worked on and off during their marriage, and even was their sole support for a while as dad was trying to get hired to work on the Grand Coulee dam construction project. During the war, she even spent some time as a shipyard welder. And while she could cook, sew and knit with the best of them, she was no stranger to a hammer and nail. When Dad was laid up with blood clots in his legs, and could only supervise from a lawn chair, it was her and I that finished the garage addition he and I had started. Here's to my "Non-Trad" Mom.
Sounds like your parents were more than husband and wife. They were life long partners.
never said different situations were bad??
I think the general favorable attribute to trad wives is that someone is home doing the "caring". Loneliness is being an epidemic. People feel isolated and alone (yes, even after covid) and trad wives and mothers are tending to their families. Not to say that working moms are bad. It can work. But our society is lacking those who truly care. Wives who are kind and loving to their husband's instead of badhjg them constantly in the modern feminist fashion. OF COURSE this goes without saying that men need to be there for their wife as well, but if she is doing all the caring as her full time job, then he provides financially. Someone has to do it. It's not really rocket science.
My mother was a “traditional” wife. She stayed at home until my dad lost his job in the 70’s. Once she got a job, dad got tired of driving her to work and she was “allowed” to get her license. She worked a difficult job and worked long hours. She maintained our house and made sure our meals were cooked and clothes clean. She could have quit her job once dad was back in the job force, but guess what? She liked not being controlled, having some freedom, making her own money (to put in their joint account) and getting to drive herself to the grocery store without having to ask dad to take her…ohhh and driving herself to church because my dad wouldn’t take her…
My grandma was the same. My dad and my mom took her out, taught her how to drive so she could get her license
@@bonbonvegabon people never really think about the rural women. They were utterly trapped at home. Mom couldn’t even take us to the doctor without asking dad to take a day off…needless to say, we suffered through illnesses many times that could have been less miserable with a trip to the doctor…
@@darlenegillispie6823 Most of the world's population are "traditional" wives. They work on the farm or work at some factory, etc. At no point in human history did women just at home and do nothing -- unless you're so privileged, you didn't have to do anything. And oh, all research says that conservative women are more happy than liberal women -- and liberal white women are the most unhappy group in the US.
My mother was also a "traditional" wife. Part of her life, she raised kids, and part of her life she worked. Which is what traditional women have been doing for thousands of years.
You want to be a trad wife, go ahead. You don't get to decide for the rest of us. Same goes for religion. Same goes for pro choice/anti-abortion.
I agree with your sentiments, as long as you accept that the children coming out of those traditional marriages will be everyone's problem and we all agree to clean up the aftermath. I'm cool with that.
@@pixpusha That’s who typically takes the best care of their children.
And you continue to have empty and unfulfilling relationships. Good Luck!
@@martinmillard5776 The "Best care" ?
By who's standards?
Please, don't even start with me.
My son was raised by my partner and me. Two women. He's honest, compassionate, giving, charitable, strong, and caring.
He also played football, basketball, went fishing and learned to hunt.
He respects authority, questions stupidity, has little patience for ignorance (because that's a CHOICE), and 100% supports a WOMAN's bodily autonomy!
Hmm...sounds like my son was taken care of pretty damned well, if I do say so myself!
@@justinekingmaker493 The care that they get from a two parent household.
The wierd thing is that men are complaining about women working, when Wages are so low and rent is so high that most one wage earners could be easily homeless. They pretend that most men are able to earn enough by themselves, but most households HAVE to have 2 wage earners to exist. Yall stop tweakin ,and make it make it make sense.
To be clear, I don't agree with that position, but eliminating half the work force would mean companies have a much tighter labor market to draw from increasing the value of each worker. Wages would go up overnight as the demand for workers far exceeds it's supply.
@@LazyboyReclinerwages would go up for men, they’d be nonexistent for women. What you smoking?
If a woman wants that kind of life for herself, that's fine. That's what feminism is all about. However, they have no business telling other families how to conduct their business, if it isn't hurting them.
But JESUS.
Feminists aren't the ones doing that. It's the trad wives and the manosphere.
@@RationalMan87 “It’s hurting the children [church] men are molesting”. There, I fixed it for you.
@@michaelbeavis2632 😆
So, you think those trad women should shut up because you don't like their lifestyle? Is that feminism for you? In fact, they have every right to express and tell other woman the lifestyle she values. If you don't like it, too bad.
All these trad wives have their own UA-cam channels, that are monetised, so they are earning an income separate from their husbands. I’m not sure if they are anti feminists or grifters.
GRIFTERS!
the answer is always duality. duplicitous of them. they're working! They don't want YOU working! Ask yourself why...
If you want to be a homemaker, that's awesome if you want to be a mom with a career that's awesome. If you want to be a woman who chooses not to he a mom, that's awesome. That's what makes America great is the choice to choose how you spend your life.
Thanks for packaging that in a nice little box with a bow on top😊✌💜
I am the breadwinner for my household, and I have a househusband. If I was no longer allowed to work, we'd be homeless.
Yes, I'm liberal. And I love having a househusband. Call me a man, call him a woman, neither of us are bothered - we love our lives together.
How about we call you menstruator? That's what being a "modern" woman is all about.
The idea that women didn't earn outside of the home is a false narrative. The only women who wore pearls while vaccuuming the home were families that could afford pearls. All of my grandmothers who were wives and mothers worked jobs or careers outside of the home because it was economically necessary. My great grandmother was a widow and supported her household as a registered nurse. My grandmothers were married to blue collar men and so worked to earn enough money to buy homes and achieve a middle class lifestyle.
These people thinking women just started working is beyond ridiculously stupid.
Congratulations on the Matriarchs of your family having the skills, sense, and ability to care for family and themselves ❤
The idea that women always stayed at home is a lie. In the past, only the privileged women could afford it. Most work-class women (and their children) had to work. It was a dream for them to be able to be stay-at-home moms. The fun fact is also that the privileged women didn't really take care of their children - they had people who did it for them.
It was kind of the same for farmers. Women didn't just stay inside and take care of children. They had their own brand of chores around the farm. That's why a farmer needed a wife.
Now suddenly people think that we always had the privilege of being able to stay at home.
And how is 'privileged white US women of the 50s' the gold standard of Christian role model for women around the world and through all times, cultures and religions? Ohhhh, I completely forgot: it's the centre of the world.....!
@@buschhuhn9197 I don't know if you are being sarcastic or if your comment is an attempt at a rebuttal. I can't read your tone through your text.
Thank you. I made a similar comment. And yes the nannies were WOMEN, who worked outside the home. Ironically many of these super conservative white men who claim that women should raise the kids and stay at home, did not themselves have a mother who raised them, even if the mother was at home. It was the nanny who raised them.
@@danscruz7353 bingo!
ANYONE willing to stay at home is a true modern hero
The funny thing is the whole "1950s housewife" only really applies to America, and even then, certain parts of America. My grandparents were immigrants that ended up in NYC. Most women worked because they needed the money. Both of my grandmothers had jobs, and one grandmother made more money than my grandfather. In most of Europe, a lot of women had to work at that time as well because, well, you know--their homes and neighborhoods were destroyed by war and the economy was in the toilet.
Exactly. Good parenting is way more than just does a woman work outside the home or not. You can look the perfect family and the mom can be trad as she wants wear dresses and high heels around the house and meet hubby at the with his robe and slippers when he comes home but if the parents are just playing a roll so they will seem acceptable in their bubble of friends how is that better? There's no one right way. Every couple gets to choose how they run their own house as long as the children feel love and connection, are safe, and are getting their needs met, then who cares. There's no one size fits all.
Both of my dads parents were teachers. But once my nan started having kids in the 50s, my pop made her quit working
The traditional woman is non existent nowadays. Men didn't do that.
This only applies to rich white women. It makes no sense to all others.
If women were not allowed to work, who would do nursing, work in restaurants, hairdressing, retail and fast food restaurants ?
Troll
Not to mention the DOCTORING, LAWYERING, RESEARCHING, TEACHING, MENTORING, BUILDING, DEVELOPING, and MOTHERING.
Women are the drivers of Civilization. If it weren't for women, men would be unbathed, stinking, uneducated brawlers who spent most of their time killing one another. And the Earth would be facing utter depopulation to boot. Don't believe me? Name one single war that was started by a woman.
@@edevos3108 Catherine the great makes your argument kind of hollow. She spent most of her rule declaring war. Real data doesn't track with your opinion
Good point. Women do often have the sucky low paid work this country depends on. Looks like the US is going down because we’re all going to be trad wives. Maybe these conservatives are really anarchists. 😮😮😮
Who said anything about not being allowed?
The hypocracy of a woman who has a career saying "women shouldn't be working"!!! Okay, let's increase all men's salaries so the little wife can stay home with the kids & cook nutritious meals.
they can't see it babes! It's like they are impervious to any conflicting ideas, they just stay in denial that it's all BS. Those women are banking off of desperate women who are trying to be and do everything not realizing they're NOT the problem! You do enough! You work on call 24/7 ain't no break and no appreciation, just expectations bc he works and you "don't." Ughh it's just really, really sad to me. A life largely left unlived. Man, at 39, I wish I had invested that time in myself. But I thought I was doing the right thing. I hope this younger generation blocks out that static and focus bc you only get one shot at this! And hell yeah on raising wages for everyone and more grocery co ops and programs that help kids/ people eat. Foodstamps is just one way. We have got to get to a place where kids aren't going hungry in school. 😭
@@liz090833 Straight out of 1984. Their bible.
If there are truly people who want to go back to "traditional", single income households, they should be united with progressives for a better economy & living wage incomes.
Exactly. Instead of helping corporations get way more money than they will ever need or even use.
Oh right because it makes so much sense to unite with the people who caused this problem in the first place.
Feminism is why wages are so low. If you double the supply of workers you halve their wages. Economy 101.
@yarpenzigrin1893 no its not lol it's obvious corporate greed, are you serious? You're so blind 🤦🏻♂️
Do you mean they should NOT be united with progressives? Because I’d NEVER ally with anyone wanting to bring back the “traditional” route! Yes we should increase wages and productivity wages, but why should it HAVE to be only single-income? That’s not progressive, that is REgressive!
@@yarpenzigrin1893 Feminism caused Neoliberal and Neoconservative economics and deunionization? Do tell us how Feminism caused Americans to leave labor unions, how it caused jobs to be shipped overseas, how Feminism created tax cuts for the rich and tax hikes on the poor and middle class, and how Feminism got rid of social welfare programs and middle-class home ownership grants. It's blatantly obvious you don't know anything about American history and your whole life revolves around you being an angry virgin who can't get laid.
I was married for 23 years. I was a trad wife (didn’t have a name then). It was hell. Financial abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse. I will never do that crap again what happens to these trad wives when their husbands walk out, die, or become disabled? They have no work experience many more lack education, and they will go to work for minimum wage. I had to do that at 40 took me nine years to make decent money and that is still debatable. The man is not gonna like her better, because she submits he’s just going to see her as inferior.
And then dump her for a more interesting one.
I don't have a problem with a woman being a traditional housewife, as long as it's her OWN choice.
My ex used to tell me everything has gone down hill since women got the vote. Asking for a divorce was the best gift he ever gave me. I love that the kids aren’t having any of that garbage. I see so many of them rejecting the binary. They’ve lost the kids. They haven’t figured out yet, but they’ve lost. We’re not going backwards.
Things went downhill for controlling petulant pathetic men. They've gotten better for women and real adult men.
The more they push female enslavement, the more young girls will rush to “transition”.
I was listening to Ana and I didn't hear my situation to being a Trad wife. My husband decided he wanted to marry his mistress, forced me into divorce, and subsequently poverty. The worst was when the judge decided I was responsible for maintaining 50% my previous lifestyle. Obviously my Trad wife skills didn't transfer to the workforce.
That sounds very typical of our situation. Those women who are waving their flag to say we should be home bare footed and pregnant are living under a rock. It's unbelievable these women don't realize how close they might be the next
So sorry that happened to you 😢.
Men pretend this never happens. That’s because they see nothing “wrong” with discarding women and leaving them with nothing.
One man away from a homeless shelter
@@wendiwonderly1419 exactly. And who wants that dark cloud hanging over their head?
I go further with this- tech moguls want to replace us women with robots and artificial wombs. Why completely depend on a man if he will possibly discard you for a robot in ten years? There is no logical reason to put oneself in that situation. Many men already prefer their screens to actual women who ARE available and willing!
My mother was a 1950s wife. Through her I met many women, who, later in life, usually after their husbands had died, revealed a level of despair they felt in their marriage, or the affairs their husbands had, or that they cried each time they were pregnant after the 3rd child. Many of them drank heavily. These were all women who attended church every Sunday, who wondered why their kids weren't married with kids yet, who said they got through the day with scotch. My own mother would have made a great attorney or accountant but it wasn't acceptable for a woman to have that sort of job. She lived a life of disappointment as a result. My 89 yo Granma said to me "Remember, you don't have to have kids if you don't want them. You're lucky."
Mental illness existed then and now.
Women have ALWAYS worked. The nuclear family with a stay at home mother is a modern invention. In older times, only rich women didn't work, but they often "pursued interests" that we'd consider work today, such as running charities. Middle class women helped out in the family business. Poor women did things like laundry and sewing to help make ends meet. "Trad wives" are a ridiculous fiction. The difference is that women are now legally allowed to control their own finances, when in many points of history all their earnings went to their father or their husband.
This is mostly correct. It's often overlooked that women have always been working. However, the "trad wife" is not fiction or ahistoric -- there have been (and continue to exist) women who uphold traditional gender roles in that manner. The "trad wife" movement may exaggerate some aspects, but generally, there is a historical precedent for that lifestyle.
Women worked and were great managers during WWII, while they managed the home and children. This was all SOLO, without a spouse. My mother-in-law once confided in me that she was the most content in her life, when her husband was away during the war. She worked, managed the home, and had friends. There was hardship, but she was freed from submission to her husband and had authority over her own life. She was respected and valued at work.
Totally understandable. A lot of women are not satisfied being housewives and mothers. Fortunately thanks to courageous women in the 1950's and subsequent decades we have near-equality now and as much freedom as ever.
My Dad was a WWII veteran who returned home in 1946 to a tough post-war economy. He married my mom in 1950 and she was a stay-at-home Mom for about the next 16 years, while my dad worked 2 jobs. They struggled to make ends meet and pay the Church Tighe and taxes until my mom went back to work in the school system as a secretary. Once she went back to work our family slowly pulled out of just making it to feeling a bit more financially secure. As a family, we were happier to have some time to spend with our dad. Their three children attended college and got decent professional jobs thanks in part to financial aid and our parent's savings habits. Dual income was about the only way out of poverty for many families. I'm 66 and I can attest to what Ana and Cenk are saying is accurate.
I get it. Your story is awesome, and what was what most families have experienced in those times. We women are still fighting for better pay. I wish this ladies would get there heads out of their Butts. Thank you for your input
@@susanrodriguez2926 Loved my dad, a poor student with a heart of gold, and my mom, who was top of her class. When she graduated her dad refused to help her attend college as he thought it was a waste of money. She became a CEO's secretary. My sisters were also at the top of their classes and went on to become RN's with master's degrees because in the early 70"s nursing or secretaries were the options available to them. Getting a practical degree helped them tremendously.
I think for this generation, when the stories of women's struggles to join the work force (and to be taken seriously outside the home) feel so far away, it's easy to forget how difficult it was when women's roles were necessarily confined like that. Your story is a poignant reminder that people (and their families) suffer when not offered the freedom to pursue the paths they feel are the best fit for themselves and their lives.
1950’s?? My grandmother was an early computer programmer and real estate baron. Their view of what women did in the 50’s is bizarre. It’s almost like they’ve never met a woman who was an adult in the 1950’s. And yea-drugs and booze 🥃. Lucy Ricardo may have submitted to Ricky on screen ( some of the time) but Lucille Ball was a rainmaker and kingmaker, a genius comedian and a giant in Hollywood. She made Startrek possible.
Oh man, ‘I Love Lucy’ was appropriately named considering how Lucy was so good at show business back then, she even had her own television studio, Desilu Productions was named after Lucy and Desi (her husband), and ahead of her time she was, even with seeing the future of Star Trek and Mission Impossible on TV👍😊
1950's "ideals" were mostly marketing ads. That time was an utterly artificial, unheard of lifestyle.
Absolutely, people forget that it was a time of nearly unrestrained advertisement. It started with listerine/DeBeers in the 1930s onward (maybe earlier than that), and reached a peak with the 50s homemaker ads for clothing, appliances, cars, jewelry, cigarettes and so much more. Most of "Americana" was corporate advertising to convince people they needed "things" or they weren't "good enough". It was basically the "No True Scotsman" fallacy on hard core mode. The REAL 1950s (for women in particular) was a life without much choice, little power (personal, financial, or civic), and even less guaranteed rights.
"Tradwives" only existed in early tv sitcom scripts. It was not the reality of the world.
Except most of the world outside the “West” has and practices traditional male and female roles.
So she’s going to stay at home, do everything for him and when she’s getting a few wrinkles, he’s trade her in for his TRAD SECRETARY!
Lol fr.
This
You can't talk about having families rely on a single family member's income until the default is for a single income to be enough to raise a family. At this point, people can't afford rent, health care, or most other costs on their income. Let's fix those problems first.
AND unemployment is miniscule and short term
If you want to be a trad wife, go ahead. I'm just telling you, as a man, that deliberately making yourself subservient looks absolutely miserable, they've done plenty of studies to show it's not really the best for your mental health, and I personally would never ask a woman to act like that.
It was THE BEST YEARS OF MY LIFE❣️❣️ Stay at home wife & mother 37 yrs.
What works for one person may not work for another. I have had to be an independent person all my life. I am happy I didn't have to stay with a controlling and abusive husband. I got an education and career and was able to take care of myself and my child on my own. I was fortunate enough not to have to stay in the situation I was in. I feel sorry for the women who had to stay with an abuser because they didn't have the financial or emotional ability to make it on their own. Don't judge people for their choices. It is best to keep strong and remember you can't always count on your partner to look after you.
Cause you're a real man 😊
What if it makes them happy though? I share some "trad wife" lifestyles. My absolute disgust for anything related to finances and my refusal to even look at it. Like I hate it. I would pay someone to deal with everything so I would never even have to look at my bank account, but instead, my husband takes care of it. And before you give yourself an aneurysm over it, the court of law is very favorable to stay at home Moms. She gets half of everything including child support and spousal support since she wasn't working. I'm happy. I'm super happy not having a panic attack over it since I have some financial trauma related to my childhood. Basically my parents went from wealthy to dirt poor overnight. I just can't handle any of it (I can be, but I get too stressed) and luckily my husband is.
@@t.8936 go back and read literally the first line I wrote.
Women have ALWAYS worked! They just haven't been paid appropriately.
Yes!
Every few years they print how much it would cost to hire people to do all all the jobs the average woman does. It's something like $150,000 I forget the exact number.
They want to be paid double for less work you mean ??
Being a woman in the US is just terrible right now
Then don't sit with any American children in their bullet ridden American classrooms then lady!!!
When wasn't it?
@@AlBundyOzWhat? Both things can be true at the same time. It can be not great to be a woman and not great to be a child. Neither of them are mutually exclusive. Calm down. Maybe go outside and get some fresh air and get off UA-cam if it makes you so mad.
@sdrisd it has nothing to do with getting off UA-cam and going outside. It is proven that misogny went up during the Trump Administration. Especially with the likes of Andrew Tate and The Alpha Male. Eight years of progress and funding for programmes countering sexual violence against women are about to be undone. (ALL undone during The Trump Administration.) The Trump administration has issued dozens of regulations that have threatened women’s progress and cost them billions-revealing a fundamental disregard for women.. Please tell me how going outside and being violated every day by men and I volunteer and still get violated. How is it better? Whu wouldn't any woman be worried or mad? Are rights are being taken away. I am pissed and I am not UA-cam every day.
Seriously; the right wing in the EU isn’t nearly as extreme. The RW in the US wants sharia law. The left has gone insane, too, but at least they’re not pushing for us to lose the vote.
I always said it was stagnant wages that caused women to come out the house and work. Nobody is trying to fix the corporate greed issue but attack the opposite sex.
Exactly, meanwhile certain woman love to blame Black men for not keeping up with them. Then they double down on that by saying a) I have a degree and there's no way I can relate to a man who doesn't have one b) having said that they are flocking to sperm banks and complain that men that match them socially and educationally are overlooking them for younger women. You really can't make this crap up. The so called gender war is being fought by the middle class and below, never the rich and ultra rich.
You're kinda wrong. The divorce rate made women become more engaged in the workforce.
@@somchai272he was talking about married women, not divorced ones. Nice try, though.
@barbiedahl OK, let's make a new thing to bitch about. Women that were married in the 1950's. Great!
@somchai272 name one good reason why the divorce rate increased. This may be a strawman but women feeling like they live in bondage and their spouse is too dumb to realize that they will all starve due to inflation but the husband's ego is so high, he can't see his wife making her own money (which is for the benefit of them both financially).
Wanting to go back 70 years isn't conservative, it's regressive.
And wanting to sling-shot us 70 years forward into some dystopian, alternative universe clown nightmare isn’t progressive, it’s regressive.
The Feminine Mystique by Betty Friedan published in 1963 blew the front doors off of suburban homes. So many women were miserable, i.e. clinically depressed and suicidal, living the trad wife life. Great read. Highly recommend.
I think of my great grandma who did the absolutely unthinkable back then and divorced her abusive first husband. Her whole family shunned her, but she did it. Met my great grandpa and they adopted my grandpa. They tried so hard to have a child but she just couldn't carry a baby to term and I've always wondered if the damage her first husband did to her made it to where she couldn't have kids. He was apparently terrible and her family knew, but cared more that she left him and it "made them look bad".
That's an amazing book. It changed my entire view of the world.
So...minus the tradwife status, the women then were roughly as happy as the women of today is what you're saying? Rising alcoholism among women, clinical depression even more prevalent than before....etc..
@@yankaptewy well we still have tons of misogyny out there, and besides , women tend to get help for problems. So more women being counted as having problems means more women brave enough to get help and not suffer in silence.
I'm going to read that book at your suggestion
The idea that pearl thinks 16 year olds are hotter than 26 year olds kills me. Like has she ever met a 16 year old?
Has she ever slept with a 26 yr old?
😂 good point
Paedophilia and obsessions with very young females are rampant in certain conservative/traditional circles. Such as, *coughs*, the Bri***h Royal Family...
Women were also not allowed to have credit cards, loans, leases or bank accounts in their own name effectively trapping them in their home.
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krazy old cat lady, that ended in 1960 with Kennedy's initiatives. Ridiculous looking back at how women weren't allowed to have checking accounts. And back then, credit cards were rare.
@@cubiczirconiabeard5366 yes I know that it ended in the 60s, but these trad couples reference the 50s when it was in place. 😊
@@krazyoldkatlady192 I know of house husband couples from work. Both the man and the woman seemed to be happy and functional. However, rights have swung so far to the extreme for the woman, and the man is so despised, it is ridiculous today. A woman just has to make up an allegation, and the man is arrested. And if it is dis proven via electronic recording evidence, there are no repercussions on the woman.
@@cubiczirconiabeard5366 it's ridiculous to look back on something that happened less than a century ago? Since when is discussing history ridiculous?
I've been on both sides of the equation, stay-at-home wife/mother. Once kids became school age and or teens what the hell is a women to do? I went to work! More money for the whole family while I utilized my education & skills. I'm not being totally dependent upon anyone.
The crazy thing is that women have ALWAYS worked, especially if they were poor and working class. The type of work might have been different, but people in general need money to survive. The whole housewife ideal came after World War II.
I was about to say the same thing!!
Women were working as nurses, teachers, and secretaries, even then.
This is why so many women are not seeking marriage now, because this is crazy. Women have always worked outside of the house. Society would/has never have functioned without women working.
If the far right had their way women wouldn’t have the right to earn or spend money. They would remove our freewill at birth if they could.
BINGO!!!!
as a gen xer i know women not planning to marry until their 50s
Whole families in the old days worked in factories , textile Mills, sharecroppers, migrant workers,etc.Women who are divorced or whose spouse died have no choice but to work.
My grandmother worked through the great depression until she retired. My other grandmother worked three jobs for years when my grandfather died. What is perceived to be the traditional wife and mother depends on the circumstances into which you were born.
Heh, this reminds me of my grandma, her reply to a question about the Great Depression was “there was a Great Depression?” Because she was always worried about paying bills as a young and middle aged woman, not just that time period😂jk
The problem is that there is little to no acceptance for everyone wanting to live their lives the way they want to. There is nothing wrong with women who want to submit to their husbands, stay at home and be a home maker. There's also nothing wrong with women wanting a career and not wanting to have children or even a relationship. Live your life the way you want to but don't force anyone else to fit into your preconceived mold.
You hit the nail on the head 👏
“Having a career turn women into men”.
Sorry I thought those same people say that’s impossible.
It is impossible.
@@dewilew2137 well then why are you lot saying that having a career turns a woman into a man then?
Wow you really got us dude.
@@Tom-iv3nd Show me where I Said that. I will wait right here…
@@dewilew2137 right well why did you bother commenting. I was saying that because the right wing people who say that “a career turns women into men” also say that’s impossible. You don’t think that’s possible and you don’t go round saying that “careers turn women into men” ok at least your consistent, but others aren’t.
Anna is right…” Momma's little helper” was the drug of choice. Today it’s day drinking just enough Chardonnay before the kids get home from school.
Having to drug yourself in order to interact with your children. What a sad existence, for the kids
Umm, all of my stay at home Mom friends don't drink. It's the working Moms who do that!
So glad I left the conservative side, imagine being told by people who you thought were supporting "everyone" that you're not a true woman because I don't want children.
Used to be pro-life too until I realized it's just pro-birth not about the life of the mother or the baby
You are so right. I guess what bothers me most about these women are trying to push the suggestion that if a women does not want to ha e children, She is not a real woman. That is really sick. The wo.en who spout their values are hurting our women who are struggling to keep their families together, including their husband's
The female members of the face eating leopard party are shocked the leopard is eating their face.
They always conveniently leave out the mistress part of the trad nuclear family myth. Like, either leaving the tradwife broke with kids for a younger naive girl, or the tradwife forgiving the man and sometimes even the mistress letting the affair go on as long as they don't speak about it. I've spoken to enough older couples to know the real tea lmao.
I wish jobs across the board were more flexible so that both parents (mother and father) could spend more time with their children.
I agree.
When I was little, all the housewifes were on "Mama's little helper" pills.
many still are.
Those trad wives will be sorry they have no work skills when their husbands trade them in for younger models.
Worried about women working outside of the home? The right wing doesn't seem to have any issues with children working outside the home. From the Economics Policy Institute: "Already in 2023, seven bills to weaken child labor protections have been introduced in six Midwestern states (Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Ohio, and South Dakota) and in Arkansas, where a bill repealing restrictions on work for 14- and 15-year-olds has now been signed into law".
My mom had her own business, it was an in home daycare but she ran it, later on my dad quit his job to help her and work with her.
That's because they can hire children and pay them even less
if she isn't married can her father still trade her for a goat and 3 chickens?
All these online trad wives are working by growing their channels😂
exactly! Walking, talking contradictions.
Same with girls who take off their clothes for strangers via OnlyFans, so… what is your point?
My father was the sole provider and my Mother stayed home to raise seven kids. My wife with a college degree, has to work full time as an accountant, and I full time as a contractor to provide for our two children. The US tax structure demands both of us to work full time, otherwise our standard of living will be less than middle class.
Women have been "working" since the beginning of time. And not just as prostitutes. If the farmer went to war, who tended the crops and ran the household? Tradesmen plied their craft, their wives often ran the shop and dealt with customers. The women that did not work were upper class women. We can't all be upper class.
Precisely, my comment was going to be that women in the workforce en masse started in World War I. In the 1950s when women were forced to work in factories making widgets for US Military tanks and defense equipment. Not only did this financially take care of their families, but it also supported the patriotic war effort over seas.
And don't forget that we work all the time without pay in the home. If they want us in the home then they need to pay us to be in the home! And the idea actually came from Nancy Reagan oh my gosh of Republican.
ROFL, made me half choke/laugh (not just as prostitutes)! I definitely don't think that as the first thing thought when thinking womens history, for most of us I hope, but it was just contextually funny. Thanks for that quick laugh in a serious and sensitive discussion though 🤣
@supermushroomariojenkins1717 lol, I try. But I was referencing the concept that prostitution is known as "the oldest profession". When in reality women often did the same jobs as men, right along side them. Women went to war too. An army ran on its stomach, and women were often with the troops, staying in the camps preparing food, providing care to the wounded, and in some cultures actually fighting. The idea that women can't be on the front lines is also relatively modern.
She is 100% right. The Rolling Stone made a song about how women got along with the abuse they suffered back in those times called "Mommy's Little Helper." That magic yellow little pill.
The Rolling Stone is a woke pile of garbage.
Cenk and Ana please do more segments on this topic because there needs to be more attention brought to this topic. We can't keep fighting each other over nonsense that distracts us from real issues.
Some have “ issues” with the issues “you” want to get back too. Women just like Men Can and Should live in any lifestyle they choose. Never be Afraid to move and change your life!
It’s not a distraction if things like this has actually happened in history many times-Afghanistan, for one
If some woman wants to be a slave to some guy, more power to em. Do it and then shut up about it.
Do it and stay the hell away from me. Women like that set us back 50 years. I'm better than any man I've ever met...why would I want to be a man.
I am feminist and don't care if other women choose to stay at home as long as they don't expect me to the same. I think this is a risky choice but this is me and I believe everyone should make own choices. To my graven I will be grateful for my life without husband and kids. What is most annoying about tradwives is not that they submit to their husband and decide to dedicate themselves to please men but they want to force other to make the same choices.
That's not actually true! Like Estee Williams for example supports women who work. She says it's their choice. It's just her choice to be a trad wife. And a trad wife doesn't dedicate herself to please men. She is at home, tending to the household which is her favourite hobby or job, and caring for her husband who she loves. Nothing to do with "men".
@@t.8936 She is at home to cook, clean and do all her husband. For me this serving a men and submission. If this is what she likes and by miracle her men appreciate her good for her. For me this is nothing but servitude but this is my view for others it can be caring for beloved person. All I am saying dream of one is a nightmare for other. Having certain set of reproductive organs do not deprive us from individual traits. I will be forever grateful feminist movement than I was able to get STEM degree and job that pay my bills and are not forced into traditional lifestyle and this was clear for me since I was six years old there is no place for kid in my life and I am not inferior or superior to men.
@@t.8936in Muslim countries the sole focus of a woman should be pleasing her husband so she can make him happy and go to paradise her happiness is never discussed . In christanity too woman are told by some misogynistic circles that her whole focus is to take care of her husband and children that’s her whole personality while the husband just paying the bills only is deemed sufficient as taking care of her
@@Erintiiyeah! Of course. I'm proud of you 😊 Neither choice is inferior. As a Mom, my daughters I have noticed are naturally very caring. The world needs more people like this. The babies need to be born, cuddled, cherished, the men do need a loving wife to make him a hot tea after working in the freezing cold for 10 hours. The world needs these things. And as a tradition woman I feel I am the lucky one. I get to be in a warm home all day and play with my children, go for walks in the forest, have picnics in the park, we go to the beach in the middle of the day on a work day! It's a dream. I hated working! (A lot of women do). But I am proud of your accomplishments. We keep an open mind for our daughters. Someone's we think we might ve paying for med school! But maybe it's just their desire to care for others which may make them decide to be a traditional wife! Who knows. But the world does need more women who tend to the finer details. ❤
@@rowenaravenclaw3483well that's not always the experience. Im a traditional wife and my husband takes very good care of me. What more could I want! I have nutritious food to eat, a great vehicle to drive, i buy all the makrup and clothing I want (I keep it frugal in this regard). He gifted me with the dyson air wrap so I look like I have a blow out every day. He works hard so I can homeschool out kids and I live in perfect bliss!! I worked before I had kids and we built out life togetber but for some couples the man has built it all himself. There are too many jaded men and women out there.
I’m an atheist so I don’t place any stock in the Bible whatsoever, but in looking at the text it seems pretty clear- god created man and then realized that he was incompetent and then had to create a woman to take care of him. And so it was and has ever been. 🤷🏻♀️
Actually, I think if you read it correctly, you'll see that God created man in his image. Apparently he's a lazy god because men (myself included) don't want to do mundane stuff like clean the house or iron shirts. Men just want do fun things like kill stuff, eat it, and then bang. God decided that man needed someone to cook all the stuff he killed so he invented woman. The banging was just a side benefit. 😁
But really that's Judaism. In Christianity the women aren't even allowed in the church if we follow Scripture of the New testament.
Yup I always said that. Women are the glue of the family. We work.outside the home and make sure the household runs smoothly. We plan the meals, we do the groceries, we clean, we make sure the kids have all they need, we organize everything. Our ability to multitask is bar none. This is evident when we get sick, everything starts to fall apart, so much that we can't even afford to be sick. Women are goddesses and deserve respect. Go back to the 50s F..that. I earn my respect. My endgame is and will always be to have a happy home but not at the expense of my soul.
My husband died so what am I supposed to do for money? It’s not like they support social security either.
I gladly be “manly” in their eyes because women are not secondary nor should they be subservient to men!
Basically yes, they used to call it genteel poverty for widows back in the Victorian era and earlier. They actually has to pass laws for women to keep their dead husband’s property which normally went to a male family members who had no obligation to provide for the widow or the children.
Let women be whatever they want to be. Even if you disagree with it. That goes for both sides.
When comes to the, "Wife must submit to the husband", They leave out the other half that implys, both husband and wife should submit to each other.
The fact is that all that women do at home IS WORK! ALSO this must be about rich white women because all the Black, Indigenous, and Hispanic women have never stopped working.
My mother and sister are both Stay-at-home Moms, and I respect their choice to do so, but I have always been annoyed at those who think homemaking is not work. Mum and my sister worked their butts off at home. Homemaking is very hard work.
Who said it isn’t work?
Women should have the choice if they can afford it to be either a stay at home wife or a career women without being perjured and marginalized for it.
A university student once told me, in the rural area he came from, a farm where the husband of the owning couple died was able to survive, but if the wife died and the man didn't manage to find another wife, the farm would likely perish. So, who is the competent one?
I've seen that happen first hand with my own family!
My grandfather was one of 12 children on a farm in S. Texas, born in 1882. His parents were German immigrants, and everyone worked very hard to make the farm a success, especially his mother.
When my great-grandparents died, the farm was inherited by their grandson who was born there and knew how to keep it running. He married a very capable, smart woman who did most of the work taking care of the farm's business, but also the cattle, using the tractor (and fixing and maintaining the tractor herself) while he got a job in town selling insurance to supplement their income. Both of their children went to college and earned PhDs, paid by that farm's profits.
He died @ 2000 but she lived much longer and died at age 98, five years ago. In her 80's she was still out operating the tractor, shredding hay to feed her Angus cattle with very little help from anyone. She was my shero growing up, and still is.
When people complain about immigrants coming to the USA looking for "free stuff", I always think of my great grandparents. They came to Texas @ 1870 because they hated the oppressive German government, but mostly because of the opportunity offered. Texas was giving away free land to educated white men (GGranddad was an architect/builder with a degree from Heidelberg Univ.) who were willing to create farms in dangerous, uncivilized wilderness. 300 acres for a single man, but 600 acres if he's married. My great-grandparents met on the ship that brought them to Galveston, and got married asap before applying for their land grant. They got that 600 acres, paid nothing but lots of sweat equity! The farm is still in our family, still raising prized Angus cattle.
Hmmm... there's still a lot of empty land in the Southwest that could be turned into farmland. Too bad there aren't any people today with farming skills, good work ethics, who are family-oriented and able to work outdoors in extreme heat and just want an opportunity to build a new life in a place where they can escape violence and political strife... Oh, wait.
IMO, that land should have also been given to the emancipated former slaves. They never got the 40 acres and a mule they were promised, and in Texas they didn't even know they were free until more than 2 years after the Emancipation Proclamation went into effect.
1950s women were high? Lol! Housewives in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, were spiking their tea, coffee, and hiding bottles all over the house , pulled them out when the other ladies, visiting nurses, Avon lady would come over for brunch, tea....coffee and soap operas.
On a serious note, I did see the dv with my friends parents , back then fathers would walk away from their families to start another one. Black, white or whatever, they all did this and the police did nothing, courts would suggest a marriage counselor/ another man.
Don't forget, back then diet pills had speed in them. Women of this era went from "Don't make your father angry." to "Don't make Daddy angry." It's sad.
Yep. Back in the “old days” men could just run off, and if they wanted the kids, they could just take the kids away completely.
The mother of my child would smack me in the face (rightly so) for trying to suggest any of this trad wife BS. She is a highly capable badass who does not need me dictating the terms of her life. Also shes a great mom who cares deeply for our child, these are not mutually exclusive
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She sounds amazing and you obviously love her the way she is. You're a good partner to her and could teach the trad husbands a thing or two.
So she's abusive? Sounds like you're the "trad wife" you have envisioned actually.
So, are unemployed men... women?
Nothing will turn off a woman more than this kind of sick treatment.
You said that right
Which is why more and more women are choosing to enjoy the peace and quiet of singlehood 🥰
@@crystalw8050 that is so right!
Hey, slavery isn't just for Black folk. And think of all the skills you'll acquire.
As a feminist, I'd love to be a submissive tradwife for a hot rich guy. But that desire to be taken care of has to do with my burn-out and fantasies. In that situation I'd want proper respect and the autonomy to make my own choices lol. What Conservatives believe is just dreadful.
And as soon as you got older, he'd put you in the street and trade you in for an 18-year-old. That is how Trad Wives get treated.
you can be a traditional wife with a husband who sees you as an equal and respects you. go for it girl! just find a good guy with wholesome hobbies and no addictions whose parents are together and in love.
Women have always worked unless their families had enough money.
Not true
@pennywynn8716 • Only in the house. They marched and fought for the so-called privilege to work outside of it.
When people have options they don’t stick around in abusive relationships. Conservatives want to remove those options because who would stay with them when they have options??
Mental illness is very common among liberals. There's a lot of data around that.
Right on the nose double entendre intended
You would think that logic would hold, but not all would leave.
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Liberals ADMIT when they need help with mental health, and self report. Many, many right wingers are completely nuts but think they're fine.
They. Believe. In. Actual. Lizard. People.😬
Women have always been working. Trad women confuse the modern housewife with what our grandmother's did which was homesteading. Homesteading was a huge amount of work.
Great point! What was being a wife before so many modern conveniences? Sewing, growing food, canning, washing manually, it all was a full time job and one with dignity
Totally. Pig rearing, chicken rearing and butchering were also considered women's work. There were fallow periods in farming when men were at home more. When they were they did stuff around the home.
Identitarian politics are definitely a HUGE distraction in the national discussion about economics! BTW, traditional wives worked their a$$e$ off prior to the 1950's...they just didn't get paid for their work. There was a little tiny sliver of time in the overall history of WHITE humanity where "trad wives" in the sense of the current fad even existed. And it wasn't very healthy for the women...the saying "mother's little helper" to describe the drugs like valium many were using is proof of how detrimental it was to their psychological welfare.
The women in my family always had jobs. Since they earned less than the men, their money was considered the 'fun' money. It was pocket change in comparison to what the husbands were earning. Nothing has changed, except now we're expected to survive on that pocket change, without healthcare access.
Trying to follow your logic. If nothing has changed why are you now forced to live off pocket change?
@@shoeshane6494 The wages haven't changed, but what was once family fun money, the little extra, is expected to stretch across all expenses. Our wages have improved slowly, but last I checked, women still are paid about 80% of what men are. I believe we have more divorced women now than in the 70s and 80s. Given how abusive the men were encouraged to get since then, it makes perfect sense why.
@theanonymoushousewife886 ...that twenty percent difference make your pay pocket change? Still not following you. Not to mention there is no way that is even true in the first place. If women were typically paid twenty percent for the same exact position, employers would hire women exclusively as it would instantly save them twenty percent on labor cost. It's laughable that you think jobs that offer no wage negotiation have a wage set for women applicants that is lower than the male applicants.
@@shoeshane6494 You've managed to convince me you're interested in pushing a point rather than discussing one, and that you can't do math or understand my point.
Black women always worked. Most men cannot afford traditional wives today regardless of race, so this is fascinating to me.
But that is stupid, I don't care what wages look like. I am a woman, and I want to work. I don't want to sit at home and wait for my master to come home
Your master? Good grief. Having fun being alone? 🙄
@jonpopa1908 actually yes, first time freedom
@@jonpopa1908 I don't need a man to validate my life
Freedom? If you think you’re free, you’re dumb.
Look at all the bros chiming in … all the alpha mutts lapping that sh*t up.
People focus on “wives should submit to their husbands” and forget, or don’t know, that husbands are commanded to know and (sacrificially) serve the needs of their wives (who are equal to them).
FUN FACT: 43 years of Reaganomics has transferred all of America's productivity gains, approx. 50 trillion dollars, to the top one percent.
What happened to term limits? I'm pretty sure there have been at least a few years w/o even a Republican in the White House. In fact, since Regan, 18 of the last 34 years have had a Democrat in the White House.
Over half of the last 34 years 🤔 (but it's still a Republican's fault, whatever the issue is). Okay, that's reasonable. 🙄
That image of trad/ traditional wives is often spoken about as though it was the way American families have always been. But that’s not correct. That image represented a small slice of the nation and certainly not for a very long time.
A tiny fraction of Americans experienced the “Leave it to Beaver” ideal, which is apparently what people want to get back to (1957). News flash: we were never really there….
I like women to pursue their dreams, whatever they may be. They don't need permission from men to go there. My Mom pursued a college degree in her 30s even though dad whined about it and acted the Drama King. When she got her counseling business going and treated the whole family to a Hawaiian vacation, he sure wasn't complaining! He ultimately came around.
Counselling is a sham.
I was born in 1950 and both of my parents worked full time because that was the only way to pay the bills.
Ana is too gentle on this. The whole thing IS MENTAL.
Cenk's idea that 50's husbands commonly beat their wives is as ridiculous as the idea it was the "Leave it to Beaver" world. During the 90's and 2000's my wife kept house and raised the children - it was what we both wanted and we accepted a lower standard of living than a two income household but we got by. Today, with stagnant wages and high inflation that might not be possible, and many young couples are deciding to not have children because they feel they can't afford them. If the "Right" wants to bring back "Traditional Families" they should fight for higher wages and benefits for the average working stiff.
How about don’t “bring back traditional family”. Most of us millennials and gen-z, love our freedom. We don’t want to have kids. The right’s agenda is simply to control people to have kids and more kids, and control society (especially women) to become inferior.
They did beat their wives
Anna is right. During the late 70's, I had a professor who pointed out, that the middle class households needed two bread winners to afford a mortgage payment. He emphasized that Ronald Reagan had scolded Americans who complained of fa!long wages telling people that both partners just need to work harder to afford a home.
1971, Nixon took us off the gold standard.
Yeah! Requiring women to *Submit-to-Misogynist-Husbands,* what horrible lives these woment lead (I know, I was one for five long, hellish years)! Yep! horrific!!!!!!!!
When my ex said to me during an "domestic-abuse-situation," "If you'd just submit a little more, our marriage would be great!"
And, I thought to myself, which really was the beginning of the end, "Yeah, and, if I submit even the slightest bit more, *I-will-disappear* !"
That's what these men want!!!!!
Most of these trad wives are internet grifters. The more time they spend online promoting the trad lifestyle the less time they have to be trad wives
Isn't making money from internet content more like work from home, making them no longer stay at home wives?
It reminds me of mika stauffer who spent more time online monetizing her picture perfect family than she did taking care of her special needs adopted son
I was raised by alcoholics, mom married 5 times, married 3 times, numerous half and step siblings. Abuse was the only constant, I’m a middle child born in 1962, married at 17, divorced by 19 with 2 children.
The first time was abused I was ready to leave, it was the longest two years of my life.
I’ve never married again.
So, did your father or male family members vet your husband?
and whos fault is your loins get moist by ''bad boiz''?,i swear some women have serious mental issues,i had an ex break up with me to get back with her physicaly abusive criminal of an ex bf...i wasnt even mad,i was just amazed at the sheer stupidity,she even had a kid who he also abused,but i guess the extra cash he had over me as a literal criminal was more apealing,either that or the abuse fetish,some chicks are weird
deenman23 yep that is something a lot of women don't want to talk about. They know the man is no good but still want to be with him. And a lot of times, the guy wasn't toxic, but the woman was.
I keep hearing women say there are no good men out here. As I looked deeper into it, the crazy thing is they all dated one or two of the same men. So, 2 men dating 10 women while getting some pregnant means all men are bad. So 10 dumb women dating and banging the same 2 dudes is the whole population of men. Even when there were 8 good, ok descent men that couldn't get their attention. So now these men get older having to pick to loose used old women.
@@NoFreedoms-f1d as we the siblings it was a survival measure, only two graduated exited from the house less than a month by demand. Some married, or ran away. I was kicked out, for defending my stepmom, I did love my husband, my son was born 17 months after marriage while I was on the pill. Trying to survive doesn’t make you perfect.
@@deenman23 alcoholics raising children only have moments of parenting, the older we got the less parenting we got. I did take the good parenting with. I never received child support, my ex moved out of state. We both had “moist loins”. We were young and poor guidance, the American Dream was supposed to start when we married. You’re quick to judgment may need therapy for happiness.
My wife of 30 years had an MBA and I have no degree, (some collage) and she maintained our home. She knew how to pay our bills and invest our money. I always gave my paycheck to Judy and I am better off now. Judy passed away a year ago and I have no worries about money. I really miss my wife!
My Judy kept my sex life more than I could have fantasized. I did the same for her. No violence, just mutual pleasure and love.
You were lucky to have Judy ~
@@jeanneganrude8549 Lucky ain't the word! Not blessed either. You are correct, lucky, very lucky and all the rest. I cannot find the verbage for how my life was/is changed by my wife. I miss my JuJuBee