Genuine trivia : They had to recreate Stonehenge as Marvel couldn't get permission to film there. Stonehenge is a prehistoric monument on Salisbury Plain in Wiltshire, England. It consists of an outer ring of standing stones, each around 13 feet high and weighing around 25 tons. Whilst we still don't know WHY it was built we do know for certain that it was originally called "Blue Harvest".
Want to know the real reason for Christopher Eccleston's tour of the States after Doctor Who? Series 1 of Who was a nightmare to film, particularly during the first filming block. This put heavy strain on the cast and crew, and Eccleston ultimately left on principle because he felt the Executives (Russell T Davies included) had not done enough to try and sort things out. However, he did agree with RTD to keep his departure a secret until after the finale had aired, and vowed to protect the show by not talking about its production issues. Unfortunately, his leaving was leaked early in Series 1's run. In a bid to beat the press, the BBC released a hastily-written statement announcing his departure, citing Eccleston's alleged fear of being typecast. Eccleston was NOT consulted on this statement, and feared he wouldn't be hired for other projects because of the presumption that he wouldn't stick around for more than one series. He attempted to sue the BBC for the false statement attributed to him, but this only resulted in him being blacklisted by the corporation, after being effectively blacklisted by everybody else due to said statement. So the series of US films and shows Eccleston hated being a part of was down to not being able to work in his own country, all because the BBC used him as a scapegoat for his own departure from Doctor Who. In the years since, Eccleston has come clean about it as the show isn't in any danger from him talking now, and what evidence there is seems to support his version of events.
I get what James means about the Chris Evans cameo being a much bigger deal in 2013 than it would be today, but also he was probably filming The Winter Soldier like... next door and just came over for a cup of coffee
He is rocking the Avengers 1 era costume and wig tho, so they at least had to put him through hair and wardrobe specifically for the cameo. Probably more like an entire day. But yeah, you're not wrong
Pretty much the only thing I enjoyed from this movie was the interactions between Loki and Thor. Hell I'd go so far as to say this movie is the biggest reason why Loki was popular enough to get his own show.
I can agree with this, if this movie didn't exist he'd go from a straight villain to the anti-hero everyone loves in the newer films. A very important film.
@@Adamdidit Not that one, the movie The Seeker: The Dark Is Rising. Which was also a book adaptation, funnily enough. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seeker_(film)
I'm always baffled by the apparent hours of skill/prosthetics/makeup that turned Eccleston into albino Eccleston with Spock ears. Anyway, the film is fine.
*This movie was by far the best when it came to Loki's character.* We see his father be an asshole, his insecurities, his bond with his mother, his ways of coping, the events that lead him to actually growing as a person, and the result of such growth in the very end. Say you want about this film, but (especially including the deleted scenes) it's the most psychologically adult of the Thor films. People don't praise it enough for basically single-handedly carrying all the character development that will then be somewhat stifled in Ragnarok. And being the absolute best Loki film.
Loki's character development in this is great, but it's a side plot. Meanwhile the main plot, the dark elves being awoken by the revealing of the long lost Aether, they decided the best way to have that happen was to have Jane Foster literally just wander into it in the most random and nonsensically contrived way possible. I wish the Loki stuff was attached to a better movie.
On the contrary, I think Loki's "good guy turn" in Ragnarok was made possible by the resolution of Dark World. Because it's kind of the moment that the two brothers first come to a genuine understanding/affection for each other, instead of hating each others' guts. Ragnarok sort of continues Loki's character evolution from "Villain" to "Mischievous Scamp." An evolution that unfortunately pays off with Loki's untimely death by the hands of Thanos, in Endgame.
@@jacob4920 I agree that Loki becomes a fully "good guy" character in Ragnarok, and it's pretty decently done, but he does seem to regress at some points of the movie for no meaningful reason, and his growth isn't half as significant or taken half as seriously as it is in the Dark World. I do *love* the other parts of Ragnarok, but when it came to Loki's character the Dark World wins by a mile.
Loki pretty much saves this movie. This was before Thor was an interesting character. Ragnarok, IW and Endgame made his character a lot better and interesting.
Having re-watched the MCU movies this year (just finished Endgame) I can confidently say that Thor: Dark World doesn't get the love it deserves. There are clearly better films, for sure, but I think it gets way too much hate than it needs
@@okamiwolf250 For me personally, it's a tough call. The two that come to mind the most is Iron Man 3 & Captain Marvel. Things is both have great ideas/concepts, just execution is lacking. Marvel moreso because of the amensia part. How am I supposed to care about a character if SHE doesn't even know who she is? With Iron Man 3, there was some good ideas, just the "false face Mandarin" seemed a bit off combined with Tony's character growth (both ok by themselves, but not great together)
There's definitely worse MCU films. Incredible Hulk, Captain Marvel, both of the Ant Man films. The design of Asgard and the Dark Elves is pretty neat. But it is a very boring film.
@@jimjam7928 Agreed. Hulk I didn't mind too much, but is also a VERY different movie compared to the others. With those you listed, I don't hate them, but I do have different reasons for not liking them. I have a weird soft spot for AntMan mainly because I like Paul Rudd lol
The plot literally only happens because Jane bumps into a group of kids and follows them into an abandoned building and finds a magical load-bearing concrete pillar with the plot inside. People should like what they like, but how is nobody commenting on how bad this is as the central plot for a movie? Like, the dark elves entire plan was "meh, I guess it will show up sometime".
Two things everybody misses about this movie: 1) when they complain about Malekith , they don't realize he's the villain, but not the antagonist. He is a threat, but not the challenge. *Odin* is the antagonist. It is Odin's willingness as king to do whatever is necessary to win, whether it's sacrificing soldiers or imprisoning Jane. His actions show Thor what being king requires, and Thor has to face that in himself as heir to the throne. 2) Thor's character does grow and change. Thor has a really interesting development arc in the movies. In the 1st movie, we see him working toward being king, but he lacks humility and compassion. He learns this on earth and grows because of it. By the end of the 2nd film, he's seen what he'd have to do to be a king, and he backs away. He would rather keep his honor and not rule. In Ragnarok, he learns that there is more than one way to sacrifice yourself to protect your people. He accepts the mantle of king even though he personally doesn't want it. Infinity War and Endgame show him that sometimes it's not enough and even when he takes revenge on Thanos, he finds himself without purpose.
The blood tornado thing reminds me of the rejected plan for the final fight in the first Blade movie, where Deacon Frost was going to turn into a blood tornado with Stephen Dorff's head sticking out of it or whatever, but the CGI looked terrible (it being 1998), so they went with what we got.
I think they actually did a test showing and found that the audience didn't like the villain being replaced with a CGI blood tornado for the big fight.
The first "Blade" film was utter trash. So much so that I was actually astonished when "Blade II" turned out to be actually a decent flick, that I still enjoy watching from time to time. I actually consider "Blade II" to be the "Blade I" that we should have originally gotten.
This weeks bit of “changing the timeline” works as a good way of just throwing whatever year or false release date for anything every at the wall and it working in context with the video
You know what doesn't get discussed enough in this movie? At the end, Thor needs to use his giant hammer to hammer giant nails into the Earth to save the day. Whether intentional or not, the shape of those... weather rods or whatever they were will always make them look like giant nails and that, is funny.
I really like the creative hammer flight move where he catches it on the way past the balcony and does a little twirling jump, James should change the timeline so there's more stuff like that instead of just doing a real fast hammer spin and then flying away
I remember loving this movie after coming out of the theater. I still do. But not as much. It’s watchable now at most. But seeing Chris Evans when Loki does his trick made my theater go nuts. It was just cool to see how the universe was going after the first avengers film. Honestly the main concern to me was the villain problem. But even that wasn’t that crazy. Dude, that monster was and still is intimidating as hell. And also the fact that even though I’m 2 minutes into the video, But a lot of things that occur in this movie really do set up the future.
I have seen films far, far worse than this Thor sequel. Even in the MCU, I would rather watch this than a second watch of The Eternals. I also didn't rate Black Panther film as highly as the media did 🤔
@@andys8483 there were so many stupid plot points in black panther it's insane how some people just can't hear a word against it. It came out at a time where having a majority black cast won them awards. I found the movie barely watchable when I heard they win awards I just had to shake my head in despair
@@himynameis3664 Eh, I disagree. When it initially dropped there was definitely a lot of hype. Now that the dust is settled most people regard it as a decent marvel movie. Nowadays people go out of their way to tell you just how much they don’t like it. Which is where I feel like most arguments around that movie start now.
No lies. You two are such a terrific comedy duo. I laugh more at this podcast than probably anything all week. The Kevin Feige light beam bit KILLED me. You two should go on the road.
Thor the dark Thor is one of my favourite MCU movies. Tom Hiddleston and the Loki scenes really elevate it but I also love the other Asgardian bits and most of the earth bits.
this movie is camp. it is my most rewatched marvel movie. my friends and I can quote it perfectly. it's an under-appreciated masterpiece. what other marvel movie has natalie portman saying seabass seabass seabass seabass seabass...SEA...bass
I think the comedy in general was bad and even if some was good it didn't mix well with all the dark schemes in the movie. I Feel like they were trying to make a serous film with kid humor lol.
@@ThreadBomb I mean yea most MCU movies humor is bad but at least it match with the color scheme and the feel of the movie. This has bad humor and bad settings lol.
I always think positively back on it for some reason. I loved seeing more of Asgard as opposed to Thor 1 where most of it was on earth and not fantasy.
There’s a lot to love in this movie, I like Thor’s and Janes relationship, the dark elves, the lore established, the Viking funeral scene, and of course Loki.
To be fair, one thing the first two Thors did better than Ragnarok was making Asgard seem large and grand. By the end of Ragnarok, it seemed like Asgard was a few hundred people in a big empty city. Maybe Hela slaughtered people by the thousands offscreen but the scale never seemed right to me.
I’m sorry but if Ragnarok tried to portray Loki as unpredictable and threatening for the THIRD film in a row, I think we all collectively would of rolled our eyes
@@owlcircus6811 fair point, but by the end of Dark World he very clearly had killed Odin as he still had resentment for him. Taiki toned down his unpredictability and made for a far less interesting and intimidating character, at least, y'know, in my opinion.
Luckily for Christopher Eccleston, he didn't give up on his US tour and finally was in something great with his role in The Leftovers the following year.
I watched Phase 2 last week, after watching Phase 1, and I was presently surprised that I enjoyed The Dark World. It was only the 3rd time I tried to watch it, and the 2nd time, I fell asleep. The first 2 Thor movies are pretty fun.
One thing this movie is good for in terms of Thor's development is contrasting the first story, wherein his arrogance leads him to disobey Odin and it's bad, with a story wherein Odin's blindness leads Thor to disobey him and it's good.
The release of this movie was actually when I starting listening to The Weekly Planet and watching videos on this channel, so it has a special place in my heart. I think I need to see a cardiologist.
“Is Korg little?” Korg: ya see man, It’s a pituitary thing but made of rocks cuz I’m made of rocks. I was a bullied by others whenI was little but I’ve since moved past that
@@mullaoslo The odd thing is that I didn't find it boring, I was really enjoying until the end. Then as most Marvel movies do, it shits the bed in the third act. But Eternals takes the further step of setting the soiled bed on fire, puts it out with a big fee, and has the gall to invite you to have another sleepover.
@@spartanB0292 is the ending so bad i have to see it? I remember when Fan4stick came out and I was thinking people where exaggerating how bad it was.. Watched it and 10 minutes in i was like "I get it" 😂
I actually enjoyed this movie when it came out. I liked that it took place away from earth and had more comic elements. It doesn't hold up now but back then, it was aight.
@@mk6rfc1 I'm not sure, but Guardians of the galaxy 2? I don't think that one had a scene in earth, I might be wrong though it's been a while. Or Thor Ragnarok
@@himynameis3664 opening with ego and Meredith quill was in Missouri (they showed a section near the Dairy Queen when ego’s expansion is happening as well). Ragnarok had the sequence with doctor strange in New York, then Odin in Norway
@@mk6rfc1 ah, my bad. It's been a while since I watched a marvel movie. There seems to be so much marvel everywhere I'm just trying clear my head of it 😂 Thanks for the correction though
One of my biggest problems upon seeing this in the cinema was the fact the villains speaking their elvish language. There was a young kid who's mother had to read all the subtitles to him for the whole movie. That didn't bother me at all, but the fact the main villain literally does not translate to young child viewers was a big miss
"Thor: The Dark World"-- MCU's most hated movie for damn near a decade. Kevin Feige-- "It's been almost ten years. We need to make something that sucks worse than TDW." Chloe Zhao-- "Oh, Mr. Feige... Have I got a surefire contender for you...!"
The first Thor film was great, but one thing which never sits right with me about the sequel is the way its messaging on othering (via the Dark Elves and Malekith) feels so contrary to the themes of Thor 1. Remember this film came out on 2013 - it feels like TDW is telling us 'you're right to worry about the aliens, they DO all want to sneak through your borders and blow up your cities'. Compare this to the wayy more nuanced treatment of Frost Giants in Thor 1 and it's a big step backwards.
Yeah Eternals was packed with too much exposition that has to setup the whole Phase 4/5 whatever were on. It needed to be split into 2 movies with more action added
The thing about Malekith is that in the comics, he’s usually depicted as charismatic and witty who revels in what ever evil plan he’s putting Thor through, almost always smiling in every panel he’s in. But the problem with that is, he’s too close to Loki in both stature and demeanour. My guess is, this is why they changed his character to be the silent, intimidating type, as to not conflict with Loki. However, by doing that, they got rid of a core aspect that makes him entertaining. Malekith is one of Thors most interesting characters and the movie didn’t do him justice. His animated version in earths mightiest hero’s is a better rendition.
After rewatching this movie in anticipation of this video coming out, it wasn’t as bad as I remembered it being. It’s mid, but it’s not actually BAD tbh
I can’t believe you guys used a clip from one of my favourite comedy sketch shows BRUISER! The cast was amazing as was the writing with an up-and-coming comedy performer working on the scripts called …Ricky Gervais.
I loved this film when it came out because I was a teenager with a massive crush on loki, and then I realised it wasn't that great a few years later. I rewatched it yesterday and it really isn't as bad as people say, the villains motivations was lacking but the film was entertaining enough.
The editing was as usual TOP NOTCH! Probably the reason why many are visiting these videos, the jokes are just better. "We're changing the timeline" but at least half of it was right. Also, Elsa Pataky HAS BEEN in a COMMERCIAL Star leading mainstream movie you definitely heard of: It's the horror movie Snakes on a Plane (2006)! But it's easy to forget because she plays 1 of 3 blonde women all having decent screen time so yeah...
I don't get the hate for incredible hulk at all lol. For me it's 5. avengers age of Ultron 4. Iron man 3 3. Iron man 2 2. Thor Dark world 1. Eternals Incredible hulk is somewhat bad but his hulk is way more intimidating then the MCU hulk and was used better then the MCU hulk. I also like his design more as hulk with the darker green and the hair but cgi was meh. All in all for me the incredible hulk was a ok movie.
Kevin Fiege 2013: this is the Empire Strikes Back of Thor movies, the dark chapter. 2017: Odin dies, most of Thor's mates die, Asgard is utterly destroyed, and only a few hundred of his people escape alive. Then they are immediately overtaken by Thanos' ship.
The weirdest thing about this movie is the fact that it is called Thor: The Dark Kingdom in Germany. And mind you -- not in German. It has the English name: Thor: The Dark Kingdom as opposed to Thor: The Dark World. Madness.
A bit of Thor 2 trivia you missed: When they were filming Fellowship, in one scene Viggo Mortensen kicked a prop skull so hard, he broke his toe. His scream from the resultant pain was kept in the film as it added emotional weight to the scene.
This movie did something positive for the MCU though. First, it showed us the first instance of really gory deaths with those dark gravity grenades. Second, it officially kicked off the Infinity Stone naming game by name dropping them in the post credits
I watched this at the theatres. I genuinely can't remember a single thing from this movie apart from Stellan Skarsgard's character going insane and running butt naked in public.
The reason the films came out so fast is due to a lot of legal holdings, and the Disney acquisition. Marvel was literally making all the films at the same time, so a lot of issues were solved there in the moment or left open enough for a later film to correct. A prime example is Brie Larson technically filmed Endgame BEFORE Captain Marvel. The source is... "The Story of Marvel" Book, it was very very insightful on many potential "issues" and missing pieces.
Eternals has really cool characters and an unexpected twist. I watched this movie twice and still can't remember anything about it...to be fair I fell asleep on the rewatch.
I always had a soft spot for this one. Malekith is a pretty weak villain and the earth stuff drags, but other than that, there is a lot to enjoy. This is my favorite Asgard movie, the design is just gorgeous, the dark elf raid is an amazing action scene, probably the best movie for Loki, and I know Hemsworth isn't to proud of his performance here, but I quite enjoy his more somber Thor.
I got all excited at the beginning of this movie when Natalie Portman absorbed the aether goop cuz i thought she was gon get corrupted and be the bad guy. And then the movie happened. And i was sad.
Blue Harvest was Return of The Jedi's working title. It was to try to keep the local area from knowing they were making a Star Wars movie, because they were getting price gouged when people found out.
Are you guys gay? Not a diss, I just wish I had a best friend that I had such a fun time hanging out with? You guys are hilarious and the back and forth always cracks me up. I don't know any couples married or not that are as fun to hang out with.
This is the movie I went took my first date on, she showed up late, kicked over my popcorn when she arrived and then left the building the second the movie was over. Still a better experience than actually just watching Thor: The Dark World.
I had a girlfriend use me just to get into a Yankees ballgame once. She was hitting on me right up until the ninth inning, and then she just suddenly turned cold, as soon as the last out was recorded, and left me by simply saying: "You know... this isn't working... sorry." And then she walked away without even a glance back at me. I still take that memory very personally. If I ever see that woman again, I swear I will have some kind of vengeance! lol
You’ve got to love Christopher Eccleston’s absolute hatred of 70% of everything he’s ever been in
The check has to motivate a lot of your actions lol.
EDIT: @Burn I'm right :)
His hatred of the monarchy is amazing.
Thor 2, Dr.Who and Gone in 60 seconds are just a couple off the top of my head, there’s probably more
@@SnakeBitten He also hated filming Star Wars because he said he was lied to by George Lucas who told him the movie was called "Blue Harvest"
Don’t think he has ever hated on Heroes (even if it was only a few episodes he was on)
Genuine trivia : They had to recreate Stonehenge as Marvel couldn't get permission to film there. Stonehenge is a prehistoric monument on Salisbury Plain in Wiltshire, England. It consists of an outer ring of standing stones, each around 13 feet high and weighing around 25 tons. Whilst we still don't know WHY it was built we do know for certain that it was originally called "Blue Harvest".
Wow Ross you’re amusing
great job ross
Omg you're amazing, fair play.
What is this blue harvest gag I swear I’m missing a callback or something
"Genuine" trivia? You misspelled "green".
Want to know the real reason for Christopher Eccleston's tour of the States after Doctor Who?
Series 1 of Who was a nightmare to film, particularly during the first filming block. This put heavy strain on the cast and crew, and Eccleston ultimately left on principle because he felt the Executives (Russell T Davies included) had not done enough to try and sort things out. However, he did agree with RTD to keep his departure a secret until after the finale had aired, and vowed to protect the show by not talking about its production issues.
Unfortunately, his leaving was leaked early in Series 1's run. In a bid to beat the press, the BBC released a hastily-written statement announcing his departure, citing Eccleston's alleged fear of being typecast. Eccleston was NOT consulted on this statement, and feared he wouldn't be hired for other projects because of the presumption that he wouldn't stick around for more than one series. He attempted to sue the BBC for the false statement attributed to him, but this only resulted in him being blacklisted by the corporation, after being effectively blacklisted by everybody else due to said statement.
So the series of US films and shows Eccleston hated being a part of was down to not being able to work in his own country, all because the BBC used him as a scapegoat for his own departure from Doctor Who. In the years since, Eccleston has come clean about it as the show isn't in any danger from him talking now, and what evidence there is seems to support his version of events.
Also with all the articles coming out about Mickey and Captain Jack probably didn't help...
I never knew the whole story. Thanks for sharing.
@@michaelm5542 what are these articles?
Didn't ask
Weren’t forced to read it either, smooth brain.
I get what James means about the Chris Evans cameo being a much bigger deal in 2013 than it would be today, but also he was probably filming The Winter Soldier like... next door and just came over for a cup of coffee
He is rocking the Avengers 1 era costume and wig tho, so they at least had to put him through hair and wardrobe specifically for the cameo. Probably more like an entire day. But yeah, you're not wrong
Pretty much the only thing I enjoyed from this movie was the interactions between Loki and Thor. Hell I'd go so far as to say this movie is the biggest reason why Loki was popular enough to get his own show.
youd go as far to be wildly, absurdly wrong
I can agree with this, if this movie didn't exist he'd go from a straight villain to the anti-hero everyone loves in the newer films. A very important film.
The last time Loki was an unpredictable and genuine threat. Ho hum.
This movie sent tumblr girlies feral at the time so I 100% agree
It's the only thing I even remember about the movie
The problem with blood tornados is that it encourages people to ice skate up hill
I understood that reference
Deep cuts
Mothafuckas*
Lol
There’s always some mother f**ker!
Loving the second instalment of the “Christopher Eccleston's tour of Hollywood stuff that he hates” saga.
“The Seeker” when?
Ahh the Seeker. A Terrible TV show that can say "hey..have you read the books? This isn't our fault."
@@Adamdidit Not that one, the movie The Seeker: The Dark Is Rising. Which was also a book adaptation, funnily enough.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seeker_(film)
I'm always baffled by the apparent hours of skill/prosthetics/makeup that turned Eccleston into albino Eccleston with Spock ears.
Anyway, the film is fine.
*This movie was by far the best when it came to Loki's character.*
We see his father be an asshole, his insecurities, his bond with his mother, his ways of coping, the events that lead him to actually growing as a person, and the result of such growth in the very end. Say you want about this film, but (especially including the deleted scenes) it's the most psychologically adult of the Thor films. People don't praise it enough for basically single-handedly carrying all the character development that will then be somewhat stifled in Ragnarok. And being the absolute best Loki film.
Loki's character development in this is great, but it's a side plot. Meanwhile the main plot, the dark elves being awoken by the revealing of the long lost Aether, they decided the best way to have that happen was to have Jane Foster literally just wander into it in the most random and nonsensically contrived way possible. I wish the Loki stuff was attached to a better movie.
On the contrary, I think Loki's "good guy turn" in Ragnarok was made possible by the resolution of Dark World. Because it's kind of the moment that the two brothers first come to a genuine understanding/affection for each other, instead of hating each others' guts. Ragnarok sort of continues Loki's character evolution from "Villain" to "Mischievous Scamp." An evolution that unfortunately pays off with Loki's untimely death by the hands of Thanos, in Endgame.
@@jacob4920 I agree that Loki becomes a fully "good guy" character in Ragnarok, and it's pretty decently done, but he does seem to regress at some points of the movie for no meaningful reason, and his growth isn't half as significant or taken half as seriously as it is in the Dark World. I do *love* the other parts of Ragnarok, but when it came to Loki's character the Dark World wins by a mile.
I agree. I don't understand all the hate this movie gets.
Loki pretty much saves this movie. This was before Thor was an interesting character. Ragnarok, IW and Endgame made his character a lot better and interesting.
I like how there is constantly the clip of Tony playing with the morbius strip whenever you forget some trivial info. Great editing as always!
The Möbius strip... But I like yours better!
So nevermind.
@@Kfoglarsson IT'S MORBIN' TIME! 😂
The Morbius Strip; a twist in the fabric of space, where movies become poop.
Having re-watched the MCU movies this year (just finished Endgame) I can confidently say that Thor: Dark World doesn't get the love it deserves. There are clearly better films, for sure, but I think it gets way too much hate than it needs
What do you think is the worst/most lackluster?
@@okamiwolf250 For me personally, it's a tough call. The two that come to mind the most is Iron Man 3 & Captain Marvel. Things is both have great ideas/concepts, just execution is lacking. Marvel moreso because of the amensia part. How am I supposed to care about a character if SHE doesn't even know who she is? With Iron Man 3, there was some good ideas, just the "false face Mandarin" seemed a bit off combined with Tony's character growth (both ok by themselves, but not great together)
There's definitely worse MCU films. Incredible Hulk, Captain Marvel, both of the Ant Man films.
The design of Asgard and the Dark Elves is pretty neat.
But it is a very boring film.
@@jimjam7928 Agreed. Hulk I didn't mind too much, but is also a VERY different movie compared to the others. With those you listed, I don't hate them, but I do have different reasons for not liking them. I have a weird soft spot for AntMan mainly because I like Paul Rudd lol
The plot literally only happens because Jane bumps into a group of kids and follows them into an abandoned building and finds a magical load-bearing concrete pillar with the plot inside. People should like what they like, but how is nobody commenting on how bad this is as the central plot for a movie? Like, the dark elves entire plan was "meh, I guess it will show up sometime".
Two things everybody misses about this movie: 1) when they complain about Malekith , they don't realize he's the villain, but not the antagonist. He is a threat, but not the challenge. *Odin* is the antagonist. It is Odin's willingness as king to do whatever is necessary to win, whether it's sacrificing soldiers or imprisoning Jane. His actions show Thor what being king requires, and Thor has to face that in himself as heir to the throne. 2) Thor's character does grow and change. Thor has a really interesting development arc in the movies. In the 1st movie, we see him working toward being king, but he lacks humility and compassion. He learns this on earth and grows because of it. By the end of the 2nd film, he's seen what he'd have to do to be a king, and he backs away. He would rather keep his honor and not rule. In Ragnarok, he learns that there is more than one way to sacrifice yourself to protect your people. He accepts the mantle of king even though he personally doesn't want it. Infinity War and Endgame show him that sometimes it's not enough and even when he takes revenge on Thanos, he finds himself without purpose.
Solid points, but I was really expecting to get Blue Harvested the entire time I was reading this.
The blood tornado thing reminds me of the rejected plan for the final fight in the first Blade movie, where Deacon Frost was going to turn into a blood tornado with Stephen Dorff's head sticking out of it or whatever, but the CGI looked terrible (it being 1998), so they went with what we got.
I think they actually did a test showing and found that the audience didn't like the villain being replaced with a CGI blood tornado for the big fight.
That's cool, but did you know that while they were figuring out the CGI, the original working title for Blade was Blue Harvest?
The first "Blade" film was utter trash. So much so that I was actually astonished when "Blade II" turned out to be actually a decent flick, that I still enjoy watching from time to time. I actually consider "Blade II" to be the "Blade I" that we should have originally gotten.
@@jacob4920 Unpopular opinion: I preferred the first one.
This weeks bit of “changing the timeline” works as a good way of just throwing whatever year or false release date for anything every at the wall and it working in context with the video
Ah, Thor: The Dark Thor
They’ve come full circle
You know what doesn't get discussed enough in this movie? At the end, Thor needs to use his giant hammer to hammer giant nails into the Earth to save the day. Whether intentional or not, the shape of those... weather rods or whatever they were will always make them look like giant nails and that, is funny.
I really like the creative hammer flight move where he catches it on the way past the balcony and does a little twirling jump, James should change the timeline so there's more stuff like that instead of just doing a real fast hammer spin and then flying away
I remember loving this movie after coming out of the theater. I still do. But not as much. It’s watchable now at most. But seeing Chris Evans when Loki does his trick made my theater go nuts. It was just cool to see how the universe was going after the first avengers film. Honestly the main concern to me was the villain problem. But even that wasn’t that crazy. Dude, that monster was and still is intimidating as hell. And also the fact that even though I’m 2 minutes into the video, But a lot of things that occur in this movie really do set up the future.
I have seen films far, far worse than this Thor sequel. Even in the MCU, I would rather watch this than a second watch of The Eternals. I also didn't rate Black Panther film as highly as the media did 🤔
@@andys8483 there were so many stupid plot points in black panther it's insane how some people just can't hear a word against it. It came out at a time where having a majority black cast won them awards. I found the movie barely watchable when I heard they win awards I just had to shake my head in despair
@@andys8483 Eternals is my favourite MCU 🤷
@@andrewquick4176 Same, it may drag a bit but it felt like a breath of fresh air as far as Marvel movies go.
@@himynameis3664 Eh, I disagree. When it initially dropped there was definitely a lot of hype. Now that the dust is settled most people regard it as a decent marvel movie. Nowadays people go out of their way to tell you just how much they don’t like it. Which is where I feel like most arguments around that movie start now.
No lies. You two are such a terrific comedy duo. I laugh more at this podcast than probably anything all week. The Kevin Feige light beam bit KILLED me. You two should go on the road.
agreed, there is always a good bit in their videos. Shoutout to the editors as well!!
Literally funnier than half the movies they review
I’m pretty sure I remember Villeneuve stating that Skarsgard’s Stonehenge scene is what earned him the role as Baron Vlad Harkonnen in Dune
Yeah there’s one scene of each member of the Skarsgard that always pop in your head when you watch them in a very Super sad serious role
That blue harvest fact was really good! Please, include more tid bits like that in your videos.
Thor the dark Thor is one of my favourite MCU movies. Tom Hiddleston and the Loki scenes really elevate it but I also love the other Asgardian bits and most of the earth bits.
My favourite part's when Loki says "Do you wanna know how I got this Skarsgård?"
this movie is camp. it is my most rewatched marvel movie. my friends and I can quote it perfectly. it's an under-appreciated masterpiece. what other marvel movie has natalie portman saying seabass seabass seabass seabass seabass...SEA...bass
Thank you for being brave and speaking your truth. I too think it's a fun romp. I genuinely don't understand all the hate lol
@@2014wolfy people hate FUN, they don't want to have fun, naive camp is the most fun you can have with a movie
@@princessjellyfish98 hence why Twilight is probably, unironically, my favorite cinematic saga
@@2014wolfy so true, avengers endgame could never give you "you nicknamed my daughter after the Loch Ness monster?!!!!"
@@princessjellyfish98 YESSS. Or Bella, bleeding from the head after chucking herself off a motorbike, "You're sort of beautiful."
I like Thor and Loki banter and Dark World definitely delivers on that front. Loki and Frigga's scene is also quite poignant.
I'm a long time Thor: The Dark Thor defender, and I think there's a lot of good little comedy bits for Hemsworth in this too
I think the comedy in general was bad and even if some was good it didn't mix well with all the dark schemes in the movie. I
Feel like they were trying to make a serous film with kid humor lol.
@@cngotham4111 That sounds like most MCU movies.
@@ThreadBomb I mean yea most MCU movies humor is bad but at least it match with the color scheme and the feel of the movie. This has bad humor and bad settings lol.
Wish we had more Thor putting Mjolnir on a coatrack than some of the silly humour in Ragnarok
I always think positively back on it for some reason. I loved seeing more of Asgard as opposed to Thor 1 where most of it was on earth and not fantasy.
There’s a lot to love in this movie, I like Thor’s and Janes relationship, the dark elves, the lore established, the Viking funeral scene, and of course Loki.
This was the first movie y'all covered when I decided to listen to the podcast, keep up the good work, it feels like forever ago.
To be fair, one thing the first two Thors did better than Ragnarok was making Asgard seem large and grand. By the end of Ragnarok, it seemed like Asgard was a few hundred people in a big empty city. Maybe Hela slaughtered people by the thousands offscreen but the scale never seemed right to me.
It's these twos fault I instinctively call this movie Thor: The Dark Thor
I respect this movie. It's easy to make Thor a joke character, harder to treat him seriously.
Serious thor is boring thor
@@SimiCantStandYaBits True -- that's my point. It's harder to make that work. That said, I just got out of Love and Thunder and I loved it.
I missed the "Thor: the dark thor" bit so much and don't know why
@@tsw6277 I feel like you misunderstood OPs comment lmao
The crashed Alien ship was real. Amazing that they would crash an alien ship for this movie but wouldn't even bother to dye Hemsworths eyebrows.
Apparently, aliens just crashed into the set and then they decided to keep it in.
@@eastvandb Amazing green trivia!
@@Kfoglarsson
I should really change my name to David Green!
I like this film purely because it's the last time Loki is an unpredictable and genuine threat, before turning him into a walking meme.
Ok
I’m sorry but if Ragnarok tried to portray Loki as unpredictable and threatening for the THIRD film in a row, I think we all collectively would of rolled our eyes
@@owlcircus6811 fair point, but by the end of Dark World he very clearly had killed Odin as he still had resentment for him. Taiki toned down his unpredictability and made for a far less interesting and intimidating character, at least, y'know, in my opinion.
@@owlcircus6811 He's the trickster God? Imagine watching Batman and saying "Jeez the Joker is the embodiment of chaos again?"
So many timeline changes, you're starting to make Primer look easy to understand by comparison.
Luckily for Christopher Eccleston, he didn't give up on his US tour and finally was in something great with his role in The Leftovers the following year.
I knew Clive Revill was the emperor too. I also know that glass is frozen air. I’m a font of interesting trivia.
But did you know that Empire Strikes Back was originally called Blue Harvest?
I had no idea Tom Hiddleston did the Captain America cameo beforehand. Very insightful.
Enjoy that break, Jimmy and Nicky
I think my takeaway of this CoG is that Thor: The Dark World was most certainly a movie that was released in the MCU.
Don't forget that the working title for the original Star Wars was Blue Harvest
I watched Phase 2 last week, after watching Phase 1, and I was presently surprised that I enjoyed The Dark World. It was only the 3rd time I tried to watch it, and the 2nd time, I fell asleep. The first 2 Thor movies are pretty fun.
I will standby this movie for the sole fact that it solidified Loki as a main character in the MCU, no Dark World no Disney+ show babyyy
Avengers already did that tho
Yes this definitely fleshed him out more!
One thing this movie is good for in terms of Thor's development is contrasting the first story, wherein his arrogance leads him to disobey Odin and it's bad, with a story wherein Odin's blindness leads Thor to disobey him and it's good.
This video has more timeline shenanigans than the entirety of the MCU. I had no idea James and Mason were so powerful.
The release of this movie was actually when I starting listening to The Weekly Planet and watching videos on this channel, so it has a special place in my heart. I think I need to see a cardiologist.
“Is Korg little?”
Korg: ya see man, It’s a pituitary thing but made of rocks cuz I’m made of rocks. I was a bullied by others whenI was little but I’ve since moved past that
I actually liked this movie, watched it a lot as a young teen
I didn't see the Blue Harvest piece of trivia coming this time, I laughed my ass off.
I was convinced they weren’t doing it🤣🤣
@@heelmoxley365 How else are we supposed to know that if they don't do it in every single video??
Someone needs to piece together a complication of everytime James brings up the Blue Harvest trivia
New Year's compilation maybe?
The best one was last week , he said it so dismissively 😭
Please no.
I actually really like Thor: The Dark World. It has always been high on my list
4:17 hits different after she hulk 😭😂
Yeah I thought this one was fine. Would absolutely watch it again over some other MCU films (such as Eternals of course).
Why of course? I loved eternals
I'm scared to even watch externals it looks so fucking boring
@@mullaoslo The odd thing is that I didn't find it boring, I was really enjoying until the end.
Then as most Marvel movies do, it shits the bed in the third act. But Eternals takes the further step of setting the soiled bed on fire, puts it out with a big fee, and has the gall to invite you to have another sleepover.
@@spartanB0292 is the ending so bad i have to see it? I remember when Fan4stick came out and I was thinking people where exaggerating how bad it was.. Watched it and 10 minutes in i was like "I get it" 😂
@@mullaoslo Nah it's not hilariously bad. At least I think. It's just the usual CGI fest with added awful writing.
I actually enjoyed this movie when it came out. I liked that it took place away from earth and had more comic elements. It doesn't hold up now but back then, it was aight.
It's nice when Marvel goes properly fantasy for a change.
It’s the only marvel studios production that doesn’t have a single scene in america
@@mk6rfc1 I'm not sure, but Guardians of the galaxy 2? I don't think that one had a scene in earth, I might be wrong though it's been a while. Or Thor Ragnarok
@@himynameis3664 opening with ego and Meredith quill was in Missouri (they showed a section near the Dairy Queen when ego’s expansion is happening as well).
Ragnarok had the sequence with doctor strange in New York, then Odin in Norway
@@mk6rfc1 ah, my bad. It's been a while since I watched a marvel movie. There seems to be so much marvel everywhere I'm just trying clear my head of it 😂 Thanks for the correction though
I never expected the Red Dwarf reference a few weeks ago, and I really didn't expect the System Shock clip this week. I love this channel!
Man, great to see how far blood tornadoes have come since Blade. Can't wait to see where they take this technology next!
Ice skating uphill.
One of my biggest problems upon seeing this in the cinema was the fact the villains speaking their elvish language. There was a young kid who's mother had to read all the subtitles to him for the whole movie. That didn't bother me at all, but the fact the main villain literally does not translate to young child viewers was a big miss
"Just the fact we can say 'elf spaceship' elevates this a bit"
The Eldar are crying rn
Still more love than they ever get from Games Workshop
No one cares about Warhammer
FOUL XENOS!
PUUUUURGE!!!!
@@finlay9616 You may not, but your brain did.
@@Sue_Me_Too you may have thought you made sense, but your brain didn't
"Thor: The Dark World"-- MCU's most hated movie for damn near a decade.
Kevin Feige-- "It's been almost ten years. We need to make something that sucks worse than TDW."
Chloe Zhao-- "Oh, Mr. Feige... Have I got a surefire contender for you...!"
The first Thor film was great, but one thing which never sits right with me about the sequel is the way its messaging on othering (via the Dark Elves and Malekith) feels so contrary to the themes of Thor 1. Remember this film came out on 2013 - it feels like TDW is telling us 'you're right to worry about the aliens, they DO all want to sneak through your borders and blow up your cities'. Compare this to the wayy more nuanced treatment of Frost Giants in Thor 1 and it's a big step backwards.
Well that's a reach of course there's evil aliens that want to blow up your building just as there's good ones. Doesn't need to be political.
The Byron Bay reference was so accurate it’s crazy
Look man, I'm not a huge fan of The Eternals, but lets be real, if the tv shows are apart of the list, then The Inhumans is by far the worst.
Pretty sure they were talking about the Disney plus stuff only
Yeah Eternals was packed with too much exposition that has to setup the whole Phase 4/5 whatever were on. It needed to be split into 2 movies with more action added
@@mk6rfc1 Don't be such a snob, stuck in the 2010's. Get with the now.
The thing about Malekith is that in the comics, he’s usually depicted as charismatic and witty who revels in what ever evil plan he’s putting Thor through, almost always smiling in every panel he’s in. But the problem with that is, he’s too close to Loki in both stature and demeanour. My guess is, this is why they changed his character to be the silent, intimidating type, as to not conflict with Loki. However, by doing that, they got rid of a core aspect that makes him entertaining. Malekith is one of Thors most interesting characters and the movie didn’t do him justice. His animated version in earths mightiest hero’s is a better rendition.
You guys thought of K.E.V.I.N. first!
Best Blue Harvest appearance thus far, IMO. These videos are so fab.
After rewatching this movie in anticipation of this video coming out, it wasn’t as bad as I remembered it being. It’s mid, but it’s not actually BAD tbh
I can’t believe you guys used a clip from one of my favourite comedy sketch shows BRUISER!
The cast was amazing as was the writing with an up-and-coming comedy performer working on the scripts called …Ricky Gervais.
I really liked the ending, but they never did anything with it.
The same can be true of 90% of Marvel Studios' output - nice ending, shame they didn't do anything with it.
5:20 i am a tall guy (1,93 m or 6 ft 5” if I’m correct on the freedom units). Being tall can really ruin your day aswell
Nice vid btw
I've always said this is the best He-Man movie ever made.
i'm so here for the blue harvest joke, please continue this on every COG
*I don't give a damn what anyone says, I love this movie.*
That's cool
Same. You don't always need big changes. Sometimes you just want to see your hero kick some righteous ass.
Oh yeah? Well I don't give a HELL what anyone says, I hate this movie.
@@TheMightofDab *Imagine being that salty over a movie lmfao. Incel.*
Thank you Lawrence & Ben
I loved this film when it came out because I was a teenager with a massive crush on loki, and then I realised it wasn't that great a few years later. I rewatched it yesterday and it really isn't as bad as people say, the villains motivations was lacking but the film was entertaining enough.
The editing was as usual TOP NOTCH! Probably the reason why many are visiting these videos, the jokes are just better. "We're changing the timeline" but at least half of it was right. Also,
Elsa Pataky HAS BEEN in a COMMERCIAL Star leading mainstream movie you definitely heard of: It's the horror movie Snakes on a Plane (2006)! But it's easy to forget because she plays 1 of 3 blonde women all having decent screen time so yeah...
I mean she’s also part of the F&F family
Maybe I’m in the minority but I actually really like this film…
Yeah! I like all the Thors
"Maybe" ??
My MCU Worst of...
5: Shang-Chi
4: The Eternals
3: Iron Man 3
2: Thor: The Dark World
1: The Incredible Hulk
I don't get the hate for incredible hulk at all lol. For me it's
5. avengers age of Ultron
4. Iron man 3
3. Iron man 2
2. Thor Dark world
1. Eternals
Incredible hulk is somewhat bad but his hulk is way more intimidating then the MCU hulk and was used better then the MCU hulk. I also like his design more as hulk with the darker green and the hair but cgi was meh. All in all for me the incredible hulk was a ok movie.
Id put iron man 3 as one of the best
@@cngotham4111 5.Eternals 4.Hulk 3.Ultron 2.CaptainAmerica 1.Iron Man 2
Its better then Thor Love and Thunder...by a mile
Facts
That Spyro music during Green Trivia though
Thank you for the informative Green Trivia! I had forgotten that information from last weeks video!
Kevin Fiege 2013: this is the Empire Strikes Back of Thor movies, the dark chapter.
2017: Odin dies, most of Thor's mates die, Asgard is utterly destroyed, and only a few hundred of his people escape alive. Then they are immediately overtaken by Thanos' ship.
The weirdest thing about this movie is the fact that it is called Thor: The Dark Kingdom in Germany.
And mind you -- not in German. It has the English name: Thor: The Dark Kingdom as opposed to Thor: The Dark World.
Madness.
Thor: The Mad Kingdom
Movie titles translations are weird. In France, The hangover is called Very bad trip
How is that weird?
@@ThreadBomb Why call it The Dark Kingdom? Why not The Dark World? It seems weird...
A bit of Thor 2 trivia you missed:
When they were filming Fellowship, in one scene Viggo Mortensen kicked a prop skull so hard, he broke his toe. His scream from the resultant pain was kept in the film as it added emotional weight to the scene.
This movie did something positive for the MCU though.
First, it showed us the first instance of really gory deaths with those dark gravity grenades.
Second, it officially kicked off the Infinity Stone naming game by name dropping them in the post credits
I watched this at the theatres. I genuinely can't remember a single thing from this movie apart from Stellan Skarsgard's character going insane and running butt naked in public.
The reason the films came out so fast is due to a lot of legal holdings, and the Disney acquisition. Marvel was literally making all the films at the same time, so a lot of issues were solved there in the moment or left open enough for a later film to correct. A prime example is Brie Larson technically filmed Endgame BEFORE Captain Marvel. The source is... "The Story of Marvel" Book, it was very very insightful on many potential "issues" and missing pieces.
Please never stop reminding us about Blue Harvest.
"Oh, he's in one of those 'my wife got murdered' dramas" 😂😂😂😂 hillarious
When Thor tries to destroy it, it literally shattered like a gem.
Eternals has really cool characters and an unexpected twist.
I watched this movie twice and still can't remember anything about it...to be fair I fell asleep on the rewatch.
13:50 I mean, yea, but only in Thor’s Age of Ultron foreshadowing bath.
I love how the editor included the Spyro theme for green trivia
sounds recreated too. probably did the cover themselves
@@mrfeelmenow54 Nah it's from the reignited trilogy
I always had a soft spot for this one. Malekith is a pretty weak villain and the earth stuff drags, but other than that, there is a lot to enjoy. This is my favorite Asgard movie, the design is just gorgeous, the dark elf raid is an amazing action scene, probably the best movie for Loki, and I know Hemsworth isn't to proud of his performance here, but I quite enjoy his more somber Thor.
Ben once again proving he is a king by including a System Shock 2 reference.
I'm here for it and I love it.
Malaketh was one of the villains of all time
Hahahaha omg the Spyro the Dragon them song during Green Trivia! That's awesome, nice touch
I knew I recognised it but I couldn't place it, thanks bud
I got all excited at the beginning of this movie when Natalie Portman absorbed the aether goop cuz i thought she was gon get corrupted and be the bad guy.
And then the movie happened. And i was sad.
Blue Harvest was Return of The Jedi's working title. It was to try to keep the local area from knowing they were making a Star Wars movie, because they were getting price gouged when people found out.
Revenge Of The Jedi as well.
Are you guys gay? Not a diss, I just wish I had a best friend that I had such a fun time hanging out with? You guys are hilarious and the back and forth always cracks me up. I don't know any couples married or not that are as fun to hang out with.
This is the movie I went took my first date on, she showed up late, kicked over my popcorn when she arrived and then left the building the second the movie was over. Still a better experience than actually just watching Thor: The Dark World.
Lol great story
I had a girlfriend use me just to get into a Yankees ballgame once. She was hitting on me right up until the ninth inning, and then she just suddenly turned cold, as soon as the last out was recorded, and left me by simply saying: "You know... this isn't working... sorry." And then she walked away without even a glance back at me.
I still take that memory very personally. If I ever see that woman again, I swear I will have some kind of vengeance! lol
I hope your love life has improved since then.
I loved the chuck joke, thank you James 😂