The Delancey Street Trolley Terminal | Tales From the Subway
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2022
- The Delancey Street Trolley Terminal has sat abandoned for over 70 years, and recently, there have been attempts to possibly reactivate it, or turn it into something greater. In this video, we go over the history and the future of the Underground Delancey St Trolley Terminal.
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It would be interesting if the old trolley terminal can build tracks to rebuild a new island platform with buffers for Terminating M trains so that M can terminate there in weekends and late nights instead of cutting farther to Myrtle, also there will be less delays as sometimes in Delancy an M train may have to wait between the tunnel and the bridge to wait for an M train to go to the other side, or go with you plan to make the station like Penn station but one additional track on the left will run slightly left and end as a terminating track, much like Manchester Oxford Road in the UK
I do feel like just the middle track isn't enough for Terminating M trains. Sometimes I cross Williamsburg and I see one M train waiting just near the tunnel for another one to come by, on my younger years I questioned myself why did that M train have to wait there. Over the years, I started to realise it could be M trains waiting for other M trains returning to service to go back to metropolitan Av
Yea that is good
To be honest, that isn't a horrible idea. I'm all for converting it back into something train-related.
That's a great idea, as the station should NEVER have been abandoned, but this one would rather serve its initial purpose. The trolleys deserve a comeback, & to make way for them would require restoring & rebuilding various infrastructure that supported them.
@@m34tgaming16 What if the (J) & (Z) used it instead?
They should build a transit museum in that space.
Hmm that's not a bad idea.
Move the current museum from Brooklyn
Agreed, that wouldn't be a horrible idea, but I think the BK Transit Museum should stay. This would be too small of a space for a Transit Museum.
I think a transit museum is nice, but its original purpose fits best.
@@bennythepenny5831Which would mean returning the trolleys to service once again!
As somebody who drives over the Williamsburg Bridge every weekend, I finally understand why the “two-lane” outer roads are so frustratingly narrow, and why you can’t pass another car in the “left lane”.
Yes glad I'm not the only one who feels it's too narrow. I always say to myself why don't they make it into a one way lane two cars can barely fit
Why only on the weekends?
because I go to work over it every Sunday@@Snowy-oq4ur
My dad sees this from Delancey Street station every day during his commute. I believe I was one of the folks who suggested this video a while back. Great job 👍
This historical show has been excellent. As another railroad buff, I must admit that I will not stop learning.
I love this guy's feud with the Z train
The Underground Park would be Cool for Railfaning. Ofc they would have to cover up the Open Section where the Trains Pass.
You would think that they would cover it up, but you never know...
@@MysticTransit Maybe a glass window for rail buffs, but it doesn't seem that MTA is treating us very nice. The front & caboose windows are blocked in many cars sadly, as MTA won't give up their fight against us.
@@bennythepenny5831 It is 100x safer for the conductor and easier for the operator.
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Mystic: The Nonexistent Line
Also Mystic: *Fans that Nonexistent Line*
Nice video, I’ve since knew this was a trolley when I was at my research of abandoned stations.
I feel like this only trolly terminal can be used for train storage or a seprate platform for terminating M trains or Terminating J trains for Short Turn rush hour service, Simular to WTC and Chambers Street on 8th av and the station could be used to not cause delays at bowery when M trains turn from Bway-Laff to Essex St Infront of a J train or a nonexistant Z train.
I think the (Z) should end skip-stop service & get de-interlined. I believe every line should have their own southern northern terminal, so de-interlining is big for me. That would also require building many new subway lines for them to serve, along with additional vast expansion of the network's reaching point.
You can’t delay a train that is nonexistent.
If it’s going to be turned into a park, one might think that there would be thick concrete walls and cinder glass blocks to separate so people won’t wander onto the tracks….
"Cinder glass"; that's a new one....
That’s fascinating!! Never knew of this existence!!
That space should be a train yard
Not a horrible idea. We do need more storage capacity in the system.
they could have a mini yard over there for J M and Z trains because the yard that the J L And Z train Uses Gets Over Filled Quite Offen. leading full tagged graffiti trains.
This is perfect timing, I was just reading into this after seeing it for the upteenth time last weekend
Interesting video I just thought that side was a result of more train platforms and it became abandoned. The space should be used for passengers who have late night commutes or a small little resteraunt/food space. That's why I always feel that the Williamsburg bridge is very unique. I just hate the ugly red coloring for the walkways.
I wish NYC bought out the streetcar lines tbh, would have the biggest system in America
omg crazy how i never noticed this considering i'm at delancey & essex almost every day! these vids are always so informative
The rails are still in place, too. They felt there was no need to pull them up since they were out of harm's way.
Awesome video, I love Tales From the Subway.
Great facts and history about the Delancey Street Trolley Terminal. Also, I heard that Centre Street is located from the Canal Street subway station from the J and Z trains along with the N and Q trains.
I didn't know NYC had a trolley system
Yeah me neither.
Every City Used to have a trolley system
Every borough had an extensive street railway network. Manhattan's last streetcars came off in 1946. The Bronx had them until 1952 and Brooklyn had them until October 31, 1956.
most of NYC bus routes are based off the trolley system routes, too
DC used to have a similar underground trolley hub in Dupont Circle. The former entrances can still be seen blocked off around the circle, but a portion of the tunnel is used as a small contemporary art museum called Dupont Underground. It closed in the 60s to make way for the then-proposed Washington Metro.
That space would make a great transit museum or maybe a flea market or farmer's market.
The terminal tracks seem straight into the bridge without much of a curve like the current tracks in use. Would be nice if we can make the trains in and out of the station faster. Currently it’s a major delay point.
I had no idea about the Brooklyn Street Car terminal on Essex!!!
Same with Hoyt-Schrmerhorn. I think they rent it out to film production agencies. Wasn't aware of this one though.
The underground park is a fabulous idea, especially since NYC already has two of the most unique parks in the USA, with the park by Chelsea piers, and the converded elevated train park.
Possible to use this old station as another rebuilding of bringing back streets cars but as like 3 car rolling stock
NYC needs trolleys again to compliment the subway and bus lines.
My thoughts exactly! A surface local last mile solution to relieve the subways below!
Environmental concerns being what they are, I'm surprised MTA doesn't have the time of day
for TROLLEY BUSES.
And not just in Brooklyn.
mythic Z train jump scare 3:09
That's why it is called Delancey-Essex Street as a subway stop for all four lines.
At this point I'm wondering if I can just ask the MTA for permission to explore ALL of their abandoned installations.
Great video. It would be interesting to learn about where the trolley terminal was on the other side of the bridge. I’m guessing the bus port at Washington square.
Makes sense, as buses were their replacement.
That's where it was. In the late 50's and into 1960 there were trackless trolley lines in Brooklyn that used the area, too. The wires stayed up until 1962, as I recollect.
They definitely really need to do something with the big open space
Holy shit! Did y'all see that unicorn called the Z train in the B-roll?
That park would be a safety hazard in more ways than what you laid out…. Given the subway’s ancient history they’re essentially playing with fire….. no puns intended.
I have never heard about the Delancey Street Trolley Terminal on the Lower East Side, but I want to hear more about this, and if TMC joins in to talk about the Delancey Street Trolley, that will be great for the both of you. Also, Delancey Street is the lower level of the "F" train, and Essex Street is the upper level for the "J," "M," and "Z" trains.
Awesome video! You should do video of Chambers St Station. I believe that station has a hidden platform as well, no?
Uh I think you forgot Hoyt-Schermerhorn station in Brooklyn with the abandoned platform.
@@M34T_DaPotato_Boi Thank you but to your surprise I already knew that for a fact.
@@M34T_DaPotato_Boi it’s used for the one train transfer
@@ajawalker2290 Technically it's not abandoned, it leads to the NYTM. It is still used to transfer trains into the NYTM and for nostalgia rides
@@iNevaan Duly noted and fair enough then.
Take your cameras and tour the trolley terminal, show the trolley wire troughs for the trolley wire and the tracks lets see this place dammit.
"Nonexistant" Z line I love.
Not you throwing in the odd NoLa street car. LOL
I love this guy's feud with the Z train
The Low Line would put floor to ceiling fences to block people from going onto the tracks
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Very interesting to know
Totally agree with you.
There is a station on Brooklyn bridge that’s hidden. It’s not the loop. Where the walls are where it says “BROOKLYN BRIDGE” There is a station inside the walls. Inside those walls are stations which used to be a local train stations and where the trains are now is express.
Those are just PLATFORMS, and not entire stations....
I don't know but seems like a path to take the 2nd Ave subway or LIRR down to Kings Plaza. Over the Willie Bridge, then underground to Utica Ave, back above ground around Empire Blvd pass Kings Plaza to Floyd Bennett Field.
It wouldn’t be wise for the SAS to entirely bypass Lower Manhattan via the Williamsburg Bridge. Serving Lower Manhattan via Water Street would be better for easing congestion on the Lexington Avenue Line.
@@TheRailLeaguer There is a connection w/ the J and Z, plus 2, 3, 4, 5 is in Wall St area. NO need for SAS done there in my opinion
@@neiljamesreel Those are not enough and they are in no way a substitute for the Second Avenue Subway. When the MTA analysis of the plan was done in 2004, it was found that having the line come down there will result in greater congestion relief for the Lexington Avenue Line, and adequate service to Brooklyn and Lower East Side, something that still holds true today. In contrast, other plans don’t offer the same benefits, especially as demand for a SAS line to Williamsburg does not even exist.
@@TheRailLeaguer Every train into Brooklyn is in the Wall St area. Have you ever taken a Bus going North to South into Brooklyn? There is a demand in Brooklyn.There is a Bus terminal on the Brooklyn side of the Willie B. Turning SAS into Brooklyn on or under the Williamsburg Bridge is an excellent route. If the Utica Ave train is going to be extended, I don't see why this route is not a good one. SAS-125th Street to Kings Plaza will serve far move people than the few stops SAS would make continuing South pass Delancey St IMO.
@@neiljamesreel That still doesn’t mean that SAS shouldn’t head to Lower Manhattan. Besides, Hanover Square is in the Wall Street area and with existing lines already at capacity, bringing the SAS into there would add in an additional set of trains. This also sets up future service into Brooklyn via a new tunnel to the Fulton Street Line.
In addition, Utica Avenue would be better served as an IRT line branching off from Eastern Pkwy. Most bus passengers on the Utica Avenue bus route make the transfer at Eastern Pkwy rather than continue all the way to Williamsburg. The Jamaica Line is also not at capacity either. Therefore, there is no need for the SAS to go through Williamsburg, which would serve less people than the Water Street alignment.
In all actuality, it would be better for the Second Avenue Subway to be expanded to four tracks south of 63rd, and have the other set of tracks head via the Manhattan Bridge into Brooklyn. With some new construction, B and D trains would replace current train service into Williamsburg. This would be a lot more effective compared to sending SAS trains to a location where it is not warranted (Williamsburg), allowing for SAS to focus on easing congestion on the Lexington Avenue Line via the alignments on Water Street and the Manhattan Bridge
Bring back low floor trams using battery electric or ground-based power!
So… what’s the deal with the Z train. I’ve NEVER seen it operate.
Internally that line is part of the J train as supplemental service, so they’re one and the same.
Dude what happened to your discord server?
I think TMC took over
can you do the high line?
I'll definitely consider that for a video.
Wanted to ask this too lol.
@@michaelmorales1475 yeah lol
@@MysticTransit yea thanks
Has he ever gotten on a train with that camera?
they could have a mini yard over there for J M and Z trains because the yard that the J L And Z train Uses Gets Over Filled Quite Offen. leading full tagged graffiti trains.
Agreed. I wouldn't mind seeing it turned into a subway yard.
1:08 You forgot the M.
Nice video tho.
He didnt
@@CrazyPlayss Oof, stupid me. I need to check my ears.
I have another video idea:
The Lost 76th Street Station On The IND Fulton Street Line
"Lost"
It's not even a thing. The station was an April Fools Joke lol.
@@MysticTransit I know you're skeptical, but I'm a critical thinker. Anything is up for debate & I won't stop changing the story, as long as I can be able to make myself clear about what I'm seeing or hearing. Please don't jump to conclusions, there is so much to learn! At least debating the evidence to see if it makes sense would satisfy me, as I would love to see different views of the argument. I believe your opinion matters, but I would never be hesitant to accept new findings regardless of how I like it. I like it more if it makes sense, which is why I believe there could be many secrets hiding in the subway system.
I made the line on brand new subway
@@nicholasstanton9575 Do you have a link?
I like the comments.
3:08 IT'S A Z TRAIN!!!!!
"James Ramsay (who is not related to Gordon Ramsay)" lol
Ngl I thought it was a old rail yard
1:09 Nonexistent? Is that a joke, to say it nearly runs during the day?
The Z is really just alternate J trains making stops the regular J doesn’t.
Z = j in an alternative Universe
Park? Are you serious? De Blasio had a plan to put light rail in Brooklyn..this could be a storage yard and service for people using the light rail.
That light rail line was not a good idea tbh. It basically ran parallel to the (G) the entire route.
@@MysticTransit Not exactly. It ran close to the shore. The G line gets farther as it leaves Greenpoint. Than it eventually comes back towards the shore going towards downtown Brooklyn.
indoor playground for kids? just build a sturdy wall separating it from the subway station.
1. The noise would be… not good, especially if it’s only a few feet from an active subway track
2. This may be me, but I don’t think should rely on playgrounds which don’t have access to fresh sunlight.
It would be better to just build a small train yard there.
Uh wait...the Z still exists...
Yeah he was just making a joke
@@black_bandit1084 oh then r/whoosh to me
@@ilanlattke6092 nahh your good I ain’t no redditor
lol
Those darkened stations creep me out
I wouldn’t want a park underground with all those rodents down rhere.
footage of a Z train... deepfake
LOL NONEXISTENT
First dnt mind QQWERTY Railfan he dnt count
That's not how that works.
stop this “first”
@@vibe1582 can y’all like relax now cuz mystic knw it’s a joke smh 💀
@@zayxyrn It's a terrible "joke"
First
I wanted to be first
You always first
@@sexytransitman6193 that’s the point
The comment section isn't a competition.
@@Xpninjadan we know we just play around like this
I’d
Love to ride the subway but it’s way to dangerous.
While there is some crime in the system, I wouldn't say it is too dangerous. I ride the subway on a daily basis, and its fine.