It seems to me the “hostile architecture” is only kicking the can down the road- if you notice they are not solving their homeless crisis - just keeping people out of certain areas
I don’t think anyone would say that it’s solving the issue. But I think everyone would agree that they don’t want to walk down the streets with their children and see drugged out people laying around. Not even saying I necessarily support hostile architecture, but sleeping on the streets isn’t the answer for anything
It helps. NY has a right to shelter law. These push people into programs where they have better resources. If huge tax sums go to housing any and all homeless then I'd prefer these setups that make public spaces more enjoyable. Most homeless are an eye-sore, get them homed!
Spending more on being horrible than being helpful. Vote out anyone who builds this garbage. It's like having a water stand with free water and realizing homeless people are drinking it, so you add poison.
What are you doing to personally stop all problems in the world? If you're not solving all problems, then you can't lock your doors since thats cruel to people who need your stuff.
Benches are not made for sleeping they are made for a quick rest in the city. I do think they should make the seats more comfortable but keep the middle armrest so you can’t lay down
as an engineer I was trained to optimise things, how do you optimise a bench@@bassentertainmentstudios1 ? If you place middle armrests you are saying everyone fits a single build, their arms rest at X height, they are Y wide. It's bad enough already that leg length can't be be handled efficiently, without making the rest of the variables of* them either too generous or useless. The simple fact is that no middle arm rests is the most optimised bench, it's self optimising. Hence why they used to be like that back when people cared more about good products and not some BS. *the edit
I hope the architect that makes things like this, someday has to experience what it feels like to not be wanted through a circumstance that may not have been their fault!
I wish the homeless that consider sleeping on streets and in public places would consider the others around them. Ya know like the typical tax payer who doesn’t want to step over homeless people when they’re on their way to work. Or the tourist who doesn’t want to spend money at your store or business because of the bums asking for money. Ya can’t act Iike homeless means helpless . ALOT are actually totally victims of their own making.
I think park benches that are comfortable to sit on but uncomfortable to sleep on are a very practical way to make them most useful to the most people. And people sleeping on the sidewalk are tripping hazards so dissuading that is also advantageous to most people. What's not to like?
@@scottmiller4585 You would rather not have to pay attention to where you're walking and sometimes trip on a dude than for another human being to have a good place to keep them warm in the winter? And why do you think making benches uncomfortable to sleep on is more useful to more people? You're fucking taking away functions from them
Keep in mind that private residential property owners can be sued for even a slip and fall on their own land in the US. Yet government can add spikes to curbs and you cannot sue them.
I don’t know how you got this misinformed but you can absolutely sue the government. If someone fell and got injured by a spike they can definitely win a lawsuit. That makes using spikes a very bad idea for multiple reasons.
@@shaka2tu It is possible that if you sued the city they would settle out of court, not admitting guilt, and requiring the plaintiff to sign an NDA. The city just has to weigh the costs of lawsuits and settlements vs the deterrent factor.
Cities/people think homeless people will just go away with things like this. Unless you've been homeless (I have) you don't understand the desperation, fear, and embarrassment of it. Whether due to poor choices or not (and it's NOT always, even in America), no one deserves this.
I have been homeless a few times and am now a 1 percenter. I earned my way out by being PRODUCTIVE and RESPONSIBLE instead of a burden. I do not shed ONE little tear for them. How can they be "embarrassed" to defecate in front of others on a public sidewalk? Like animals?
My investments were poor choices so I ended up homeless a few times. I had no problems working to have more freedom from debt and government overreach. I found that unless you are an insider stay out of the US stock markets. I did save lots of money on rent and eating expenses while homeless. Free meals everywhere.
Just go camp in the middle of nowhere. The you will have no one telling you what to do or where to sit, you don't have to get a job or rent a place or live like a human being. Of course you won't get the handouts that get taken off MY paycheck either. Wonder why it's not a more popular option.
As someone with a disability that makes it very painful for me to stand for long periods, that train station would be absolute hell. So not only is this affecting the homeless population, it affects the many, many people like me with disabilities. I don’t like having to take my wheelchair places if I can help it, but places like that would force me to.
Yeah, or someone like me, who's just disabled for a couple of months because I hurt my knee. A lot of people need places to sit at some point in their lives. I have never, ever had a problem with "homeless occupying my benches"... Maybe one bench is occupied and I go to the next one.
I was in New York over Christmas and New Year and was appalled at how few seating options there are in this city. This also applies to garbage cans and toilets. After walking through the city for hours and there were no seats in the Oculus either, we sat down exhausted on the huge staircase leading to the PATH station. 1 minute later, an officer appeared and told us to get up
I seriously don't know how people can live there let alone look forward to moving there. Too overcrowded, too much going on, etc. A visit here and there but nope
No Longer is this Nation "The Land of the Free, and Home of the Brave" We are now being welcomed into the New Age "Land of the FEE, Home of the (tax) Slave". Better buckle up, lookin to be a hell of a ride.
This is like shutting off the water to the entire house to stop a dripping faucet instead of simply fixing the faucet. But hey, governments are not known for their problem- solving abilities.
Where and how do they get away from city owned property open to the public and not make accommodations for the public. Especially the elderly, pregnant women, and the disabled people. ADA VIOLATIONS out the gazooooo !!!!!! Vary sad and brings liability onto the city. If anyone disabled falls down because they can't stand any longer due to their disabilities it's the cities fault. Or the elderly by age can't sustain and collapse to the ground and breaks a hip or back or dies. Or a pregnant woman gives out and falls and loses her baby and sustains injuries It's going to cost millions upon millions of dollars time after time and have to use tax payer funds to settle or go to court and a judge is going to order them to put in normal benches and other seating. So that will cost money and to take out the old seating cost money plus all the suites The Mayor and city council need to be replaced because of misuse of public trust funds out of the public trust accounts. It's a known violence in advance.
I flew into JFK airport for the first time not that long ago. Looked for somewhere to sit down and send a bunch of texts...walked through the *entire airport end to end*. No public seats. I walked outside the airport to the pickup area. No seats. It was kind of unreal. It's an airport, homeless people can't even get inside without paying, but still, no seats.
Some say it's to make you remember to get on the plane on time. Good seat will make you relax and forget the time runs out. I think it maybe a little bit makes sense, but just dont overdo it.
To be fair, you were in arrivals. Is departures the same? In bad weather people can be legitimately stuck there for s long time. Are there benches in the areas that are off limits unless you have a ticket?
Where are disabled or injured people supposed to sit if there's no seats in the train station. He said security would make you stand up, but what if you literally can't stand up? Is there no mercy for basic needs?
Do you find it ironic that the guy making this video is making money from the homeless peoples plight to pay for a home they don't have.😢And how much do you think he's given homeless charities from his revenue😢😢0 dollars😢😢😢
Homeless people don’t need a comfortable bench to live or sleep on. They just need a home. They might need help with addictions and mental health problems first. People out and about with or without health problems need comfortable benches when they are forced to wait or just get tired from walking.
@@nyastalgiakitten They are. We need more shelters and increased capacity and resources so all of them can get clean. If they're not interested after that then I why should I care? Consequences of your actions and all that. They're adults not children, they can make choices.
@@randomdude1191 they're pests? Being a victim of circumstances outside of your control makes you a pest? I hope you never face financial struggle because you'll finally have to understand what the horror of our outlook causes to other human beings
I remember when I was young and first learned about how we started building curb ramps. Like we decided to start designing things to be better for people in wheelchairs, and in the process we learned that these "accessibility features" made things better for pretty much anyone, including groups that we hadn't thought of like workers rolling around heavy boxes on a dollie. Glad to see we've finally learned our mistake and are now doing the exact opposite, designing specifically to punish the needy and making things worse for literally everyone else in the process.
That 150 billion dollars of US taxpayer money could have solved the homeless problem. Instead they spend more taxpayers money on stuff to deter homeless from sleeping around the city. It's like putting a bandaid on a stab wound🤣
Florida its off the rails, people that thought they were going to retire in Florida can't make ends meet. Its disgusting seeing their governor run for president. Everyone talks about people moving to Florida, but I live in Atlanta, which is full of people leaving Florida. I'm also from Florida though, left that dumpster fire decades ago.
People with disabilities, the elderly, and expectant mothers are some of the biggest victims of benches and such being "repurposed" to homeless campsites. This video shows places with no homeless people, and doesn't consider that, when those places have nice benches, those benches are constantly filled with homeless people. It's not like those benches become available for anyone else. He sort of mentions how "loitering" caused problems a few years ago, but just dismisses it.
@@MyUtubeScott - Well lets see.... hmmm... how about NOT spending billions on the rest of the world's homeless people while simultaneously ignoring our own? Time to send a lot of folks home.
@MyUtubeScott There is no answer because most homeless are on drugs, and even if we built facilities for them, tons of buildings just for the homeless, they still wouldn't be allowed in. Thus, just circling back to the start of the problem. The drug epidemic.
Hostile architecture is literally the definition of "If we can't see the problem, the problem doesnt exist", just sweep the homelessness problem under the rug and it's all fine
That's not entirely it though, is it. Where I grew up there were a bunch of public seating areas on a beachfront esplanade that homeless people basically commandeered as their own, which meant that elderly people walking along that area had nowhere they could sit down to rest. The homeless people could easily have moved themselves to somewhere more sheltered where it wasn't stopping others from resting, whereas the old people walking along that main pedestrian route didn't have any other options for sitting down if they were tired. So in situations like that, which are probably not so common in cities but definitely so in towns, architecture on benches etc. which is 'anti-sleeping' and 'anti-deciding that you now own this particular area stopping others from being able to use it' makes sense. Spikes on buildings is messed up, though.
Well, would you like to see homeless people everywhere, especially in the center of the city? You sure have seen neighborhoods with streets literally conquered by homeless people, and they come with litter, drugs and violence. Those benches and air vents are not meant to solve the problem of homelessness, just keeping them away
It’s not mta responsibility to take care of the homeless. It is the responsibility of the homeless to take care of themselves. I’m not understanding how you guys are mad about the mta cleaning up their business. Those homeless people commit crimes and make the trains unbearable with their smell.
@@russellhank You misspelled Democrat. The exact ones that pushed these bills. Do your homework and go look at the bills presented and see all those politicians on them.
I spent several hours waiting for a 3 a.m. flight in Tel Aviv. It was quite apparent by the nature of the benches that they didn't want people hanging around. They, however, underestimated my ability to snooze anywhere.
Putting a band-aid on an infected wound covers it up effectively, but does nothing to treat the infection. This council have become experts at band-aiding their problems!
kinda hard to cure the problem completely tho, China "completely cured" the problem by building a ton of sh*t housing that they gave out to the homeless, but that costs a lot to build and maintain (they do give out money to the homeless for basic survival, and as there is no drug problem in China, they usually use it on something useful). I guess they can improve the problem by giving out subsidies to businesses and so businesses create more jobs, but that don't completely "cure" the problem either. But still, it is not right to just hide the problem either.
Yeah, let's spray money at lazy bums who will waste it all the next minute It's not Afghanistan, Iran or Russia. In America you get a job and live a decent life
Middle class jobs matter too and those private companies help people not be homeless. Helping both is totally possible. This is a result of decades of nonsense policy, not the existence of private companies. You'll also learn (one day) that ≥30% of the government bureaucrats who are responsible for resolving this are just busy gaming out their benefits and perks and don't fucking care about any of this at all. No position in society is inherently moral or immoral.
Hostile architecture is a thing in most big cities, like in mine they shut down most of the homeles shelters & mental health services while also doing stuff like this. You aren't fixing the homeless issue, just moving them around the city and making it someone elses problem.
Everybody deserves a a place to sit , everybody . Those benches are comfortable to sit if you’re sitting. I applaud you , please create a homeless shelter,open your home and pay the bills associated with it . Imagine how wonderful you will feel when you turn your apartment into a shelter. .
There should be at least a tiny seat to rest for few minutes!!! A foot by foot spot? It’s an outright cruelty for the TAX PAYERS. Also for the visitors and travellers.We like to enjoy the city by sitting down for a few minutes. It’s a shame on the city.
@@lemonadelemon1960Yes everyone knows when you buy a ticket your train will immediately manifest when you go down to get on, also for preventing loitering, no one would loiter unless they felt they had to but let’s instead spend money on making everyone’s lives miserable and making disabled people more uncomfortable
Okay, that bench isn't just anti-homeless, it's anti-butt. I feel like my butt would hurt sitting on what's literally an ARRAY of metal plates. Also, it feels like a lot of money and effort being spent addressing the symptom and not the root cause.
Root cause: lose some weight, get a job, or move away from the most expensive city w/ horrible politics, no jobs, and doesn’t care about its citizens..
For a school trip I went on once, we went to NYC. It was my first time going there, and I was blown away by the skyscrapers. However, at one point in the trip we were at the grand central terminal and we were told to look around and meet back up at a certain time so that we could get on our bus. I didn't have any money to spend at the stores and felt tired from walking a lot, so I spent most of my time searching for a bench, and eventually settling to sitting on the ground with my heavy bags. I never realized how strange it was that I couldn't find a bench until I watched this video. Great video! They really need to install some benches.
@@Wolfsheim23even if they will be homeless sleeping on it it best to have benches or they make all the benches like the one in the video that you can only sit but you can’t lay on it
@@renad2649 True they should have those. I first noticed this same thing in train station in Rome back around 2011. They put spikes on the low walls too or anything you could normally sit on. Just a few benches around people fought over.
@@Wolfsheim23 if they did like the benches in nyc best then putting spikes on the spots that people sit on it , some of the benches in nyc you can sit on it but don’t feel comfortable sitting on it for a long time and also not all the people get the message of designing those benches the reason behind it not allowing homeless to sleep on it but the spikes is direct message to not allowing people to sit and be comfortable
FYI, Wendy's Restaurant hired ergonomics experts to make they're chairs dig into your back so that you would not stay any longer than it takes to eat your burger.
Places like New York once had boarding houses where people could rent a room and share a bathroom for cheap.Then countries bought in the better town planning idea and the so called slums or older buildings were classified as health and fire hazards etc. In this sweeping away of the ugly, they displaced so many people into more expensive housing that was impossible to keep up with because of uncertain work, casual work and poverty. Now there is a terrible problem with homelessness that they have failed to address. It now seems they are becoming ruthlessly heartless.
Watch old movies, they show how low income people lived in NY. I remember the scene in which a train came by an apartment shook and the noise was so loud. People must have tolerated such nonsense all the time but at least they had a place to live.
all of what was in the video (especially the one where the security guards will come and find you if you sit on the GROUND?!) and what you mentioned seems more and more like dystopian society. No wonder God Y'hovah lets the society slip into depravity of wokeness and what not, we have forsaken Him and His justice.
Yes, NYC had what they called "Flop Houses" all along the Bowery, I remember them as a Teen in 1966-1976 they were $1.00 per Week, dorm room style and housed only Men. Most of the dudes were WWII Veterans who had succumbed to Alcohol and were in their 50's. Coffee Shops in NYC at that time charged Ten CENTS for a cup of coffee. Average Rent in the East Village was $35 dollars per month. Gentrification and developers changed the city to what it is today.
A pod that was literally a temperature controlled bed that cost a few dollars a night would be a great idea. Too bad there are laws about how big a rental unit has to be and the like.
Being a disabled person, i have to sit down frequently. I was upset when the local Walmart removed their benches. My only option was stop going to Walmart. I guess thats what they wanted. I haven't been inside Walmart for about 5 years. I feel sorry for cities that do this. They want to sweep everyone under the rug rather than help them. If your not one of the "Beautiful people " they don't want to even see you. Such self centered people will face judgement someday. I wonder how they will explain themselves.
you made the right decision but you should've made it before the inconvenience...I haven't shopped at Walmart for years because the second I do, I always regret it and I'm not disabled.
I’m a neighborhood association president in a neighborhood in Baltimore, Maryland and I’m sorry, but I need all of this in my neighborhood! It’s not fair to inconvenience the majority for the homeless that I can personally say we have tried to help over and over and over over and over again! It’s time for tuff love!
Also their spelling haha. But seriously I don't care if there are homeless people around if it means I can get to and from work without being in pain because of hostile seats causing pain because I have ruptured discs.
I feel bad for people who're actually injured and have hip/leg (more and any related) injuries, who actually just need to sit down comfortably for a couple of minutes
There are a lot of homeless people who have disabilities and problems like that too ya know. And if you can't sit down next to someone's who's homeless maybe you should just go home and use your chairs at home.. because they cant.
I was sitting on a bus terminal seat in Atlantic City waiting for my bus. I was just sitting there with my ticket for about 2 minutes minding my own business. I never been there previously, never loitered, not dressed like a bum, etc. One of the workers there complained to me that I had my eyes closed too much like I was going to sleep. I couldn't believe it. I argued with him and wanted to complain to management, but my bus arrived shortly. It just wasn't worth it. Unbelievable.
Again a violation of the ADA. Wear sunglasses. I sometimes have to close my eyes to limit overstimulation. Sunglasses make it more difficult for people to see you're closing your eyes.
how would you feel if when you went to sit down all the benches were filled with homeless people that were fast asleep sitting there now you're paying customer there and you can't even sit down for a minute waiting for your boss because there's homeless people sleeping in all the chairs
I lived in NYC on and off for 10 years. I remember coming to the city when there would be homeless people LIVING in the subway, Times Square was a major shit hole ... it wasn't pleasant at all. I've had homeless follow me, harrass me, etc. It was scary to be in the subway waiting for a train. I have empathy for people, but who wants to go into a city where there is filth, feces and the stench of piss? No one.
homeless people dont have a choice city is shitty its not poor peoples fault. what do u wanna do genocide homeless people to make the city nice enough for u?
i was only there for two days and couldn't wait to leave. lunatics and homeless people everywhere, spit on one of my friends because he wouldn't, and i can't make this up, buy his lipstick. It's all because we won't get to the root of homelessness and that's drug addiction and mental disorders.
Cash's virtue signalling is on level 10. Homeless people need more help than flat subway grates. If someone camped in front of his building I'm sure he wouldn't enjoy it
I think I've heard a city manager from a US major city saying a few years ago "Homeless people are not our problem. If people made bad life choices the consequences should be theirs only." This is a complete anti-social way of thinking. These technocrats and bureaucrats are transforming State and Government in money collecting machines (via taxes and other sources) leaving defenseless people behind. Tax payers money is for financing State, Government and big corporations and that's pretty it. The fact that the US doesn't have a National Health Care System till this day speaks volumes. It's the only country from the top 50 major economies that doesn't care about their citizens'healthcare, which should be a constitutional right. I don't see what could be more important than health and people's lifes. I'm noticing that the motto "I'm my sister's keeper. I'm my brother's keeper." means almost nothing in the US nowadays. In Europe we also have homeless people, but we don't treat misfortuned people like garbage, waiting for them to die in hopes the problem disappears with it. That's inhumane to say the least. The way you treat elders and defenseless people shows your true values as a Nation.
Remember, the United States is not a Christian nation, nor is it a secular nation. Our God is the almighty dollar, the banks are our churches, and the bankers are the priests. The Federal Reserve and the Treasury are the Vatican in this case.
So heres what irks me: If a private property owner has hostile architecture in their yard, and someone gets hurt, the owner gets sued. In many places, its illegal to booby trap your property. For safety reasons. So why is a government entity allowed to do the same thing with immunity. If private citizens are subject to litigation due to related injuries, so too should the government. Otherwise private property owners should have the same immunity. It should not be a one way street
I tried to help someone who had become homeless about twenty years ago, the experience was shocking, what I believed would be humble but sufficient services were instead badly short of being able to meet the needs. Things look worse now.
not everyone can be helped not everyone wants to be helped. I've been homeless twice due to fire and covid costing me a place to live and bouncing back is not easy at all especially when the services to help you get out are not designed to keep you out but set you up to pay as much as you can before falling right back into the rabbit hole.
Maybe someone did already mention this, but the actual cost for these projects is absolutely insane, people can check the total budget for these kind of stuff, since it's open to public
I'll just say the solution... it'll never be done though. By contract agreement have homeless go to closed off rehabilitation communities where apartments are provided and utilities, food, supplies are rationed.. guranteed contract UNPAID work which these companies instead put income towards paying rent, food, supplies, etc. and essentially pays off the program.
and turns a profit... the idea to build centers off tax dollars is awful.. people will choose to become homeless just to get scooped into a comfy center where they dont work and get everything...
@@Vuldin7that’s an idealistic proposal. Yes, it may help some but what about the people who choose not to move to your ideal community? The homeless population with mental health issues and drug problems won’t want to abide by the rules that will make your community successful- how do you propose helping them?
Up until the 1980’s the chronic homeless were locked up in psychiatric hospitals. The hospitals were horrible, so they were shut down. Now the homeless, most of whom are mentally ill, addicts, or alcoholics, wander the streets. I’m not sure which situation is worse.
@@hittingdasaucetheir will always be people with mental problems..... The problem is that we are a Nation that no longer cares for the Vulnerable.... Even the Grown Adults abandon their Parents..... It's when you get old or mentally unstable that you realize how Inhumane our Society has become.....
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There are also a lot of people who are just dysfunctional, physically ill, can't make enough money, and the prices are always going up, etc...i've always been borderline homeless even though i've worked very hard, as well as being dysfunctional...i'm so glad he made this video...!
When I was a cello student at Juilliard in NYC in the late 70's my friend (who commuted a lot during rush hour) always carry with him an ingenious light weight walking stick/cane which converted easily into a little seat! It might be time to bring that idea back!
My first time in NYC my step dad, who’s a bigger guy with knee problems who is also not used to walking all day, got yelled at for sitting down on the floor in some plaza. At the time we didn’t know why it was such a big deal and were kinda confused why there was no where to sit. Now that I know why it’s just sad that instead of fixing the issue they rather just try to hide it. :/
Do they offer wheel chairs like some airports do ? How do handicap folks get around? My husband gets dizzy and needs to sit down,he fell yesterday cuz of it,I'm not able to stand for long periods of time and would be sitting on the floor,I'm not able to sit long either,and while at the ER, I had to go lay down in the handicap dirty bathroom stall floor.
@@moladhdodhia164 Prohibiting people from sleeping in squares and parks is questionable... Now, prohibiting people from sitting... it's inhumane, it's wrong, man!
@@alexandermoriarty9167 , I understand so many folks are in a rough place in their life, Chicago and Washington State have a lot of folks in need of housing, especially Washington and Portland.
really appalling about the train station...re: High Line..the tree is red, unless I am color blind and also, there are plenty of places to sit and rest for a bit. It is not a park, really...it's more like an installation so I get it being closed by 10pm especially given the residences all around it.
I remember trying to get through all of these places as a disabled person, hobbling around with my cane. I had a ticket, but it was in the middle of the night and I was lost. My plane had been delayed due to snow, so I was taking the train to Albany just so I could get home. MY uber driver didn't speak English and dropped me off at the wrong station. I wasn't dressed for snow, I'd fallen in a puddle and my socks were soaked through. I looked awful, I am sure. I was freezing. I must have looked desperate because I was getting haggled right and left. All the security did was scold me for hurrying, and told me not to run. I had 4 minutes to spare when I finally took my seat. It was a miracle I made it home at all. Had I missed it, I would have been stuck in New York overnight with nowhere to stay. I can't imagine, I really can't. The cruelty of people is unreal.
genuinely sorry for you. Give yourself more time. So important. Get to places early. These things happen when you cut your time short. THINK IT OUT STEP BY STEP. Iuse to be a caregiver.
It's the Genuine New York experience! This is the BEST of what progressive left policies have to offer! Hope you enjoyed it because this X10 is the future!
I'd like to mention, not only is "Hostile architecture" for the homeless, but the population of disabled people who need to rest. Depending on the seat, a five minute rest can turn into fifteen. Not to mention that those that struggle or can't get up from a low seating position can't even use the edge of the sidewalk. This doesn't even take into consideration if one is to over-exert themselves.
Yep this has definitely put me off ever visiting NYC. I don't feel like I should have to use a wheelchair against my will just because my pain and disability can't be accommodated if I choose to walk around, however slowly.
Yes! I'm mildly disabled and neurodivergent, and I think about people who are more disabled than myself often. I can just imagine that on a day when my body is not doing well, I could end up having a meltdown if I sat on some of those, especially the granite. Sure, sitting is good, but then the pain of hard, cold surfaces would trigger other pain/sensory responses.
Not to mention pregnant people and people with children, as well as people who acutely experience a temporary disability (e.g., someone who gets injured, develops a headache, or contracts an illness).
Yes, can confirm. I am disabled and city design like this hurts me...physically. People really are just shafting disabled and elderly people as hard as possible in order to get to homeless people. It's disgusting.
@@Jason-sh2xc why would I get a wheelchair? I can walk but I can’t stand more than 40 minutes maybe I need to sit down to give my body a break if I got into a wheelchair or use electric scooter all the time my health would decline, but it is cruel what New York City is doing, and other cities like it sanctuary cities that put up illegals in hotels while leaving Americans out in the street and can’t even sit down anywhere now it’s on the news that they are going to pay two years rent for these people while New Yorkers struggle to keep a roof over their heads
I live in a city with huge populations of unhoused (L.A.), and the opposite is far worse. Piles of trash and human waste, used needles, tents. The answer is to build more shelters & provide housing/assistance, not make it easier to sleep on the streets.
This guy gets it. I noticed the video was all "wah wah the homeless can't sleep on benches" and barely touches on the much worse issue of the results of letting those public spaces be used as an open sewer. I live in South Africa, we have a huge homeless problem here. And it's not as bad as what I have seen in Democrat run places like NY and LA. You know it's bad when they had to create a turd app to track all the human crap on the ground. And yes, I get it, there isn't any other option for mose of these people. As others have mentioned, sometimes this is their choice to live like this. It's not an easy issue to solve. Throwing more money at it in the form of shelters only serves to exacerbate the issue in the long run. As long as there are handouts, there is little impetus for them to change their situation, if it can even be changed. What makes this even worse is the fact that Biden's Border Buddies that are being bussed up to NY get all the service industry jobs or get put up in hotels for extended stays. Why aren't the homeless getting the same love?
I used to work at a store where a homeless guy started sleeping on the bench outside under the awning. Everyone was cool with it for about a week until he started pissing and shitting all over the entrance to the store over night and I had to clean it up. It was so rancid you could smell it all the way from the road at the other end of the parking lot. Then we were told to start bringing the bench inside to lock up and told him we didn't want him there anymore. I absolutely understand this stuff. Yeah, not all homeless are like that, but a lot of them are. They're largely methheads or crackheads with no care in the world for being decent to others. Some people are unlucky, but some are completely responsible for their own situations and those people are the ones causing this type of stuff.
You try to help in the beginning but then find out the issue is far larger than you can handle. I been there done that long ago and done. Mental hospitals should be the solution for some not all. There are different types of homeless. Homeless vets, homeless families, addicted homeless, homeless aged out foster children, homeless, sexually abused children. In my city we have a small newspaper which list monthly the names of the homeless who passed away on the streets.
I've been to Moynihan Hall when i had to travel to NYC for work, and I sat on the floor while waiting for my train because there were no seats, but within 5 seconds a security guard came over and told me "NO SITTING ALLOWED!" and made me stand up. Literally insane. -_-
Literally so crazy there is nowhere to even rest. There are people who get there early to wait for they train so they don't miss it, otherwise they might have to wait a few hours for the next one. They could be holding so much luggage or coming from somewhere else it's exhausting having to stand there after what might be a tiring trip, besides the small food court if you find a seat. Every time I have to take it I call it close just so I don't have to wait for long while holding all my belongings.
Honestly those train stations that force you to stand are terrible for EVERYONE. I'm a 19 year old who is relatively fit but I struggle to stand for long periods of time and not being allowed to even sit on the floor sounds like actual torture for my legs. I can't imagine how someone with a full on disability would navigate that place, or what about people with cardiac problems that have to sit/lay down if their heart rate gets too high?
As a former homeless vet, i have to say that the hardest part about being homeless is filling your day and having no where to go. But i dont think they should be crowding sidewalks.
"former homeless vet" that is inspiring and you should be doubly proud. I have a question, for people in dense populated areas, (because you said filling the day and having nowhere to go) do you think it would be beneficial to maybe knock on doors and offer services like lawn care or heavy lifting or something?
The problem is the politicians and there idiotic ways of running a city. Now they are trying to fix a problem they created. Keep voting these idiots into office
The no-seat or almost no-seat train stations are actually kinda common in Europe (but we don't have such a big homeless crysis here). However, you CAN sit on the floor or your luggage. The fact that the security will kick you out for sitting on the floor is probably the most disgusting part of all of this to me.
It's a safety thing rather than a "kick the homeless out" kind of thing. Benches were removed or changed to standing benches to accommodate the overcrowding during rush hours times (so when it is PACKED, nobody accidently gets pushed onto the track, or in the case of sitting, nobody trips over you). I've lived in NYC for about 7 years, and use the subway lines ALL the time. I have never once seen security tell someone to stand up unless it was during rush hour.
@@o_s-24 That could be a good fix for the subway, though it likely costs the city way more than just removing benches (our city is suuuuper in debt so they are verrrrry money conscious), but If it were a cheaper option I am sure they would have gone with it to avoid the controversy.
This is eerily similar to what LA is trying to do in terms of benches and park designs. I always wondered why it looks weird and used to think it was just modern city design, but now I get it.
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My question is.. Why do all of you people want the homeless to have to endure a miserable life on the streets? Do you really think that a comfortable bench (meant for city folk to use) will give them a quality of life you'd personally find acceptable? Why aren't you donating all your spare cash to build them proper shelter? Instead you come to YT to complain about subway benches being too uncomfortable? Doesn't seem like a good solution to me.
@@3rett115 Most people aren't very financially well off themselves and cannot really afford to help the homeless. It doesn't mean they don't have a heart. I don't think they "came to UA-cam to complain" I think they saw a UA-cam video pop up, and they clicked on it and joined the discussion... Also, lots of the people in this comment section do donate.
Don’t forget hostile sonic architecture as well. There’s a local authority here in Australia that loudly blares out continuous banal music over a PA in an effort to stop homeless people congregating in a particular public space.
I live in Chicago and near a wallgreens nearby they play clown and circus music it’s really creepy in the empty streets at night homeless people tend to stick around during the day but at night they don’t stick around
Not only is terrible for homeless folks, but also for people like me. I’m 64 year old woman with chronic body pain who needs to be able to sit down! It sure does not make me feel like going to visit New York City anytime soon. 😢
I can only imagine that there was no bench space before they were removed, as they were probably occupied by people d sleeping on the benches. Sounds like they have the sitting benches a renewed purpose for, um… sitting?
Wow if they can throw money, time and efforts, building materials for all this to hurt the homeless, then just imagine what they could do to put effort into helping homelessness. It is not “their” problem, it is a societal problem that is not going anywhere because they have no where else to go. Everyone should be concerned. And society could definitely be set up with better supports.
Theyre forcing homelessness and then torturing people cia archetecture until they leave into where we live. Where i live there is 0 hostile archetecture because only a criminal designs a bench to be uncomfortable
Radio talk show hosts ridicule, mock, dehumanize, stigmatize and attack the homeless as 'scum". Until they lose their jobs and become homeless. It really is that simple. Our nation of hypocrites are all a few pay checks from being homeless. So - instead of talking about real core problems and solutions - we attack the victims. America is sick as a dog.
I am disabled with 2 crushed discs. I can stand for VERY short amounts of time without pain and stamding upright for any period of time is going to cause pain. Having no benches or places to support my back is awful. It doesn't just hurt people with nothing, it hurts everyone.
Isn't it fortunate then that there are laws in all 1st world countries requiring by law that certain standards are maintained for people with a handicap. Because my tax dollars pay for your 3rd grade education as well. @@RangaInHD
Agreed. Every plan that includes excluding one group of people will also exclude other groups too. Why spend money on these type of projects instead of solving houselessness by funding housing and resources for those who need it.
if you are in sooo much pain wtf are you looking for in NEW YORK DOWNTOWN IN A DAYLIGHT? You need to go to the hospital, plenty seats there. If you are old, you driving your car you being drove around by daily care or using taxi. For ordinary productive citizens these are almost obsolete. On the other hands, hobos likes to loitering and from loitering crime is born. Boredom, sun, welfare checks and healthy amounts of alcohol altogether with underfinanced police will really make you think twice about shit you have wrote
I mean yeah, society basically encourages people to be homeless. This wasn't necessary in the good old days because people were actually willing to work. It sucks but it's easier to keep the riff raff out through architecture than it is to change our culture.
As a kid, New York had sort of a fairy tale appeal, especially with the help of media and movies. I’ve been to manhattan and there are parts of the city that are still beautiful. But I’d never live there, because the general attitude is hostile and appalling. You could get arrested for sitting down somewhere without paying, and everyone around would just pass you by as you got tased.
That's the attitude in the entire country. As a young European kid of only 20 years old I was on my way to the Caribbean. During a stop over in Miami I was looking for a phone booth near the transit area. Then out of nowhere this frantic police officer appears yelling at me i shouldn't be out there and told me I was this close to getting arrested. I was 20 years old and not used to this kind of authority. We don't have that in Europe. I've never set foot on US soil ever since.
I have been a tourist in NY city this last three summers, and I have met some very rude person, persons who I asked for indications and they just passed by, honestly I was a little upset and incredulous about the lack of humanity and manners some ot them had towards me, but I did also find 2 persons who were like angels with me, I guess I couldn't generalize.
I've been homeless, but not in NY. As a short person, I still managed to sleep on the "anti-honeless) furniture and structures. Taller people would struggle. Sad part is, often homelessness is just plain bad timing, bad luck and you're fighting endlessly to get free AND to maintain your humanity. Once you start saying "F" the world, your chances of getting help while making efforts, become slimmer. I'm no longer homeless as of almost 10 years now, but I do not forget those times. The people helped me, the near "misses" and then eventual foothold out.
@@ibnuhajarulinnuha6288drug use and mental illness caused by dopamine/serotonin dependent society who have lived in luxury too long. The weaker parts of the gene pool tend to enlarge in comfortable societies. Europe is lucky they have the American taxpayer footing their defense bills.
I am a truck driver over the road and see examples of this in truck stops and travel centers too. The idea is to stand and keep moving thru the store or sit at a restaurant where there is pressure to buy a meal. It really is more comfortable, and the staff is more accommodating if you come and buy and go. They are training us to be good little consumers.
You're supposed to buy food at restaurants, that's how society works. If you go to a restaurant to just hang out and not buy anything, that's what we call loitering, which is illegal for many valid reasons.
He said the travel centers are putting hostile Architecture which are to make ppl instead go inside the restaurants and buy something and go.. ur counter argument is stupid
Me and my wife stopped going into the city and shopping malls. We are older and finding somewhere to sit is not so easy. An aging population and nowhere to rest, unless you pay a fortune to sit down for a cup of coffee, but you can't keep having cups of coffee to have a sit down, as you walk around the mall/city.
@@ryan7864 How the fck is sitting considered loitering around?? It is like they assume we are vehicles or something I wonder what is next removing seats in the train??
Absolutely! Another poster pointed out that it's like shutting off the water to a building to fix a leaking faucet or like amputating a foot to cure a hangnail. Victimising people who have been marginalised by that same system.
remember in 2020 when a certain something was happening and thousands of homeless went something something missing from large cities? I wonder what happened to them
Shame on any place in any country that is doing this kind of nonsense..... Why don't they take that money that they're using to keep them away and put up some housing or even tents that they can go camping in a safe area and be safe I literally am outraged at this where's the humanity gone
As an older man with severe mobility issues this hurts me. I don't mind sitting next to a homeless person who has nowhere else to go. I've had many interesting conversations with people who have a different perspective on life.
I think thats kind of the point with this. Its slightly inconvenient for people like yourself that need it, but it allows it to be available to be used for its intended purpose. I also dont think civil engineers and city officials are intentionally displacing homeless people. It may be a design to keep them in certain parts of the city where services are available to them.
i went to america and new york with my class back in like 2018, so much of our waiting around at tube stations accompanied by asks of "where are all the benches?" "where can we sit?" and it was such a pain for our massive group of young students to manage to meet up and stay anywhere for a talk by our teachers.
The first thing you learn when you become homeless (and it doesn’t take long); That it’s true, people really don’t give a toss if you live or die and the thing they do want is to not be able to see you!
@@silly_emoji_useri can only assume they did it because alot of homeless people became homeless because of poor life decisions. Drugs, gambling, poor management. There's always outliers but that's typically the case. Where im at, I've given a hundred $ to a single homeless person a few times, hoping they'd use it to get a bit better. Instead what I noticed is that they're gone for maybe a week then back to where they are, except they look more drugged/emaciated than before. I feel bad for them but they just do it to themselves. And since they don't help themselves, it's not much you can do to help them.
I mean nobody wants other people's problems. At the end of the day the best way to help homelessness is to provide a way out of it, charity only helps in small increments. Look at California now, the homeless industrial complex is F***ed up to the point where donations to the homeless pay for the workers salaries helping the homeless more than helping out actual homeless people.
What the homeless people need to do is get a ride to the border and come back across illegally. NYC will put them up in hotels, all expenses paid. free healthcare, meals, everything.
They did this in the UK years ago. All the bus shelters were knocked down and a replacement canopy was put up instead, over the top of benches which slant downwards so you can't sleep on them. In some areas they've actually made sleeping rough a criminal act, which you get fined for (as a homeless person) and they collect all your stuff up while you're down at the station and dispose of it in a garbage truck. How any of that is supposed to _help_ anyone is beyond me 🤷♂
Helping people should be their goal, not just pushing them away. Those people have to go *somewhere*, preferably somewhere comfortable and safe. I want to know how much is spent on these hostile designs, vs how much it costs to actually address homelessness and try to help those people.
This “hostile architecture” serves multiple purposes. One is like you pointed out anti-homeless. But in the case of the very last part you showed those also almost definitely were put in as skate stops. That park is a perfect street spot and they knew that
Exactly. As i mentioned to someone else here. It Isn't just used to discourage the homeless from sleeping on things. It's also used to keep people from lingering and being in the way of others in high foot traffic areas, such as subway stations and airport concourse hallways. Some workplaces have adopted a type of hostile architecture in the form of a toilet with a slanted seat, to keep employees and sometimes customers from spending too much time in the restrooms, likely in these day in ages diddle daddleing on their phones. Then there the one you pointed out, to keep kids from skateboarding in areas where they shouldn't be. Hostile architecture in the basics, has been for the longest time used in controlling vehicle traffic in certain places, such as speed bumps to keep people from speeding through parking lots, residential streets.
I’m disabled and I was in Las Vegas for the first time over Halloween and I was forced to stand in quite a bit of pain because all of the potential sitting areas around had the spikes on them. Sitting on the ground isn’t a great option because it’s really hard to get up and also it’s gross and dirty.
But if you had "non-hostile" benches in NY you would have a homeless stinky person laying on it and then you would be standing instead of sitting on a little less comfortable bench...
@@dusanrepanovic6128 yes but its more likely for then to find an empty bench to sit on if they were non-hostile, benches were originally made for a reason
Take a cheap and mobile sitting solution with you. A foldable chair. There are plenty of solutions for us to be comfortable in our environment. However, cities and municipalities have no other option to make these environments safe and healthy.
Just for reference. Those last granite seatings had grind blockers. They’re used so bmx riders and skaters don’t wax and grind the ledge. I used to skate the city and places that were popular with skating redid their buildings and put up the grind blockers so we couldn’t use it. Great video just wanted to put that out there
and the point is largely to prevent the damage that 'grinding' causes - plus when skaters in particular let their boards go flying into things. i volunteered at a historic public marble park feature, and it was on its way to ruin due to everything from excess wear and gouges to actual chips out of the stone. i think there's a lack of consideration of what unintended uses of public spaces and features does to our infrastructure, and general public use -- and what the long-term impacts of that are, with a few feeling entitled to do things that are disrupting to others. like some skaters will even put wax on things, that then harms the material and gets in the way of normal use.
@@reynemayer2942 yeah I’m 25 now and don’t skate or bmx really at all anymore, this was when I was like 12-17 and I agree I wouldn’t mess up anymore ledges. I waxed and destroyed many. I wouldn’t want it done to my business but it’s hard for me to get mad at kids just tryna have fun, I was once that.
@@Googlywinker yeah no shit I already said that. And kids get into things in the city or wherever they are. We’re you allowed out of the house as a child ?
I live in Canada and used to work in a mall. When the mall was first built, 30 years ago, they had lots of seating. Over the years they removed much of the seating except for the food court. They also removed most of the garbage bins because they don't want to pay for the garbage removal. I don't work there now, and I barely ever go there any more.
Late stage capitalism. God forbid we build some comfortable seating and people actually have a moment to chill and compress. Nope! They are literally trying to tell us that EVERYTHING is transactional. If they could commodify air they would. Very sad time.
@@shieldgenerator7 Honestly while trying to enjoy the Mall with your Family, your toddlers get tired and want to take a break... wait a second there is a person laying there during the day...rotting away. Why help them...? we got to get the Migrants what they need before we deal with American Born Humans
I worked in a big box retailer. We had a trash can out in front of the store. It was filled almost every day with garbage unrelated to the store. People would pull up and empty all their car trash. Dirty diapers, food containers. I finally talked the manager into removing it completely. Let people empty the garbage somewhere else…like their house.
There is no better exemplar of Government/Bureaucratic problem solving.... this right here is essentially what they do with literally any ptoblem they are tasked with "solving".
I've seen a lot of this in my city. Often in the form of small areas that are just big enough to fit a person, which had previously been used by homeless people to stay out of the wind in the winter so they don't die, getting fenced off, or even having fully functioning doors built to protect them. It blows my mind that we seem to think it's irresponsible to use public money to give homeless people better places to sleep without dying, but it's not irresponsible to spend public money to give homeless people fewer places to sleep without dying.
The successful culture is that of the sociopath culture. If you want to make it in life you need to be able to sacrifice your fellow humans. If you don't believe me then look no further then the bench's outside. Only a sociopath can bamboozle your city council to approve of a design that features spike like concepts to stop people who have nothing from sleeping on a bench overnight.
Because the government can't account for everyone's mistakes. There may need to be programs, if there's not already, and if there is, it probably needs an update. But the government can't be a safety net for everyone who decides to get off this hamster wheel.
In the early 90’s Penn Station and Grand Central station were taken over by homeless people. Ridership plummeted, crime skyrocketed and they were considering discontinuing night time service. Instead they removed the homeless camps and made it difficult for that to reoccur.
Everybody seems to conveniently forget that part of it or all the complaining that was happening because of that. Imagine, considering what our "Law & Order policies" have turned into, what Penn, GCT etc. would look like.
Everyone complains about getting randomly attacked by homeless people in specific areas. But when the City tries to mediate the problem by removing them from those hotspots, people also complain.
@@LeeeroyJenkins whoever complains about such measures is a child. No, really. If you make it easier for them, then more of them will come and make the situation worse. Just like when you give money away on the street, you're thinking you're helping them, but you're dragging them further into their crisis. Knowing they will aquire money every time they're there they will come back. That's not the way.
I live in Los Angeles and I started noticing this years ago when all fast food places eliminated outdoor seating and now they have signs inside that say you can only stay there for 30 minutes. You also can't use the bathroom unless you're a paying customer. They tore the bathrooms down at some of the smaller city parks because homeless junkies were camping out in there, shooting up and sleeping.
@@AmandathePandaBooks As a matter of fact they do. Or where ever. We have a major homeless problem. The other day I saw a guy whip it out on one of the busiest street corners in the San Fernando Valley and pee on the little corner of grass in front of the gas station.
I was in Sacramento in March with pops and man let me tell you how fucked that town is it was cool cause I got to see my pops hated that shit junkies everywhere!
How revolutionary would it be to provide the homeless, mentally ill and even junkies a place to urinate, deficate, wash their hands and dispose of their garbage? Is that such an insurmountable problem? Is it just too much to ask of an affluent, technologically advanced civilization?
I wasn’t aware of hostile architecture, I am know and it’s a truly horrid way of controlling everybody in so called public spaces. A very thought provoking video…thank you.
When COVID hit the city I live in, they removed all benches OUTSIDE of buildings, but not inside the Malls or other buildings. I found it really awkward to have nowhere to sit with bags of groceries while waiting for a taxi, or needing to rest the odd time while walking home. Some people actually walk to places. This permanent solution NYC has implements is not fair to anyone who lives there.
@@facundocesa4931Well then that's why you create good homeless shelters instead. Besides there's not going to be a homeless person on every bench, I've never seen a single homeless person sleeping on any bench, and I've been to cities with homeless people.
@@volkova6209 I live in a city with a rampant homeless issue and let me tell you how full of hot air you are to make that assertion. They do take up and sleep on EVERY available surface to the point that whole entire parks are homeless camps with tents lining the side of the road and people wandering strung out and half naked into a busy street. Not just benches, they sleep on EVERY available surface. I say sleep, but let's be real about it, they're not sleeping, you don't even walk through forested regions around the city due to needlestick hazard. Everything is tagged, everyone gets harassed on the streets. Just stop acting like I don't half to walk through the scenario you think doesn't exist just because you visited a place with 3 homeless people and think you've got it figured out.
I was homeless because of Covid. The amount of homeless people was scary. They got funding to help the homeless but it’s hard. In P.A Philly they have homeless shelters in place but it’s hard to come by if your trying to find a place that is going to keep you. First come first serve ordeal. Problem is it’s a mess. I got help and now on my own in my own place. You have to know the right places to help you. In Montgomery county pa they got rid of their shelters. If they find out your homeless they will have cops or someone to pick you up and drop you in norristown pa. Problem is there’s no shelter so no one can get help. They are in the woods just chillin. But they have the same motto with the homeless in p.a. In Philly they have these benches. They have had cops escort people off certain places in Philly. It’s awful. You can’t even use a public restroom anymore they put locks on the doors. It’s a real problem. Sad thing is if you try to get help they will either put you in a residential that steals your money so it makes it harder for you to leave. The system is so broken and greedy that no one is getting help. You really have to be your own advocate.
@@CollaborativeDataAccounts wtf, a LOT of people were suddenly out of work bc of it, and because of wages not keeping up with inflation, many live paycheck to paycheck 🤷 what a bizarre place to put you BS.
New York City is one of the hardest places as a visitor, to find a place to sit and relax, or to find a clean toilet! Unless you’re from the city, and then you know all the secret spots, and the best nooks and crannies!😊
The fun part is watching the designers of these things react when the homeless adapt. Nothing shows that the people in charge think of the homeless as not human more than seeing them panic when the homeless adapt and overcome. Cardboard over spikes to make them comfortable, constructing cardboard or form entrenchments to keep from slipping, they can make it work, and look a lot worse for the designers.
and who was at the disadvantage? no not homeless or designers, but us general peoples both US citizen and overseas tourist who hapen to explore the world
I like how you act like the people this is targeted at the drug addicts who refuse to get clean, thus stay homeless. Every person in NYC can get a bed indoors at any time, it is literally the law. They just don't like said bed comes with a requirement to behave and not be intoxicated.
@@vayne7556 So.... You are going to say that there needs to be government programs, but when people point to the existence of those programs, that doesn't count? A bed is a bed. Food pantries across the US have plenty of supply and financial assistance for food is easy to get on if you actually apply correctly. There is no reason to be hungry in the US unless you are lazy. Every person in NYC gets a bed at a shelter if requested BY LAW.
It seems to me the “hostile architecture” is only kicking the can down the road- if you notice they are not solving their homeless crisis - just keeping people out of certain areas
ur the most sane person in this entire comment section❤
I don’t think anyone would say that it’s solving the issue. But I think everyone would agree that they don’t want to walk down the streets with their children and see drugged out people laying around. Not even saying I necessarily support hostile architecture, but sleeping on the streets isn’t the answer for anything
no, they are just spending your tax money on useless shit
Exactly!
It helps. NY has a right to shelter law. These push people into programs where they have better resources. If huge tax sums go to housing any and all homeless then I'd prefer these setups that make public spaces more enjoyable. Most homeless are an eye-sore, get them homed!
The perfect definition of “ignoring a problem believing it will disappear”
How are they ignoring it? This is a pretty effective tactic for keeping the downtown clear of vagrants.
@@Elladrilit's not.
Spending more on being horrible than being helpful. Vote out anyone who builds this garbage. It's like having a water stand with free water and realizing homeless people are drinking it, so you add poison.
It’s the liberal way of life.
What are you doing to personally stop all problems in the world? If you're not solving all problems, then you can't lock your doors since thats cruel to people who need your stuff.
Brings a whole new meaning to the city that never sleeps
haha
Benches are not made for sleeping they are made for a quick rest in the city. I do think they should make the seats more comfortable but keep the middle armrest so you can’t lay down
HAHAHHA this comment is underrated.
as an engineer I was trained to optimise things, how do you optimise a bench@@bassentertainmentstudios1 ? If you place middle armrests you are saying everyone fits a single build, their arms rest at X height, they are Y wide. It's bad enough already that leg length can't be be handled efficiently, without making the rest of the variables of* them either too generous or useless. The simple fact is that no middle arm rests is the most optimised bench, it's self optimising. Hence why they used to be like that back when people cared more about good products and not some BS.
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@@bassentertainmentstudios1 Baseball bats aren't made to fight intruders, but when your life is on the line, it is whatever you need it to be.
I hope the architect that makes things like this, someday has to experience what it feels like to not be wanted through a circumstance that may not have been their fault!
Then you are just as evil as they are.
exactly, well said ty
As someone who has been Homeless, i would not wish than on them.
@@screamingtima1318 Stop it. He is bettering it. Take some homeless to your house.
I wish the homeless that consider sleeping on streets and in public places would consider the others around them. Ya know like the typical tax payer who doesn’t want to step over homeless people when they’re on their way to work. Or the tourist who doesn’t want to spend money at your store or business because of the bums asking for money. Ya can’t act Iike homeless means helpless . ALOT are actually totally victims of their own making.
Imagine being the architect who imagines how to make the world uncomfortable.
@@kayakfishin966 passive recreation is a thing. But then again I don't live in NYC.
It's an architectural dystopia - Dr. Eve Edelstein
@@AkanshaGupta2009 don't have to
I think park benches that are comfortable to sit on but uncomfortable to sleep on are a very practical way to make them most useful to the most people. And people sleeping on the sidewalk are tripping hazards so dissuading that is also advantageous to most people. What's not to like?
@@scottmiller4585 You would rather not have to pay attention to where you're walking and sometimes trip on a dude than for another human being to have a good place to keep them warm in the winter? And why do you think making benches uncomfortable to sleep on is more useful to more people? You're fucking taking away functions from them
Keep in mind that private residential property owners can be sued for even a slip and fall on their own land in the US. Yet government can add spikes to curbs and you cannot sue them.
I don’t know how you got this misinformed but you can absolutely sue the government. If someone fell and got injured by a spike they can definitely win a lawsuit. That makes using spikes a very bad idea for multiple reasons.
@@MaskOfCinder yet people injured and the spike still there.
@@shaka2tuThats because they never sued the government.
@@shaka2tu It is possible that if you sued the city they would settle out of court, not admitting guilt, and requiring the plaintiff to sign an NDA.
The city just has to weigh the costs of lawsuits and settlements vs the deterrent factor.
No, you can sue the government. It's just that it's almost impossible to win.
Cities/people think homeless people will just go away with things like this. Unless you've been homeless (I have) you don't understand the desperation, fear, and embarrassment of it. Whether due to poor choices or not (and it's NOT always, even in America), no one deserves this.
I have been homeless a few times and am now a 1 percenter. I earned my way out by being PRODUCTIVE and RESPONSIBLE instead of a burden. I do not shed ONE little tear for them. How can they be "embarrassed" to defecate in front of others on a public sidewalk? Like animals?
@@crimestoppers1877you just made that judgemental ish up nice lie
My investments were poor choices so I ended up homeless a few times. I had no problems working to have more freedom from debt and government overreach. I found that unless you are an insider stay out of the US stock markets. I did save lots of money on rent and eating expenses while homeless. Free meals everywhere.
Just go camp in the middle of nowhere. The you will have no one telling you what to do or where to sit, you don't have to get a job or rent a place or live like a human being. Of course you won't get the handouts that get taken off MY paycheck either. Wonder why it's not a more popular option.
Skill issue
The removal of the benches in waiting areas like train stations has got to be a violation of the ADA
As someone with a disability that makes it very painful for me to stand for long periods, that train station would be absolute hell. So not only is this affecting the homeless population, it affects the many, many people like me with disabilities. I don’t like having to take my wheelchair places if I can help it, but places like that would force me to.
Most are designed to make laying down either impossible or uncomfortable.
You aren't getting a seat anyway since a homeless person will be laying there preventing 4 disabled people from using that bench.
@@akba666 We don't think about it that much.
@akba666 both need a place to sit, so both can have it.
Yeah, or someone like me, who's just disabled for a couple of months because I hurt my knee. A lot of people need places to sit at some point in their lives. I have never, ever had a problem with "homeless occupying my benches"... Maybe one bench is occupied and I go to the next one.
I was in New York over Christmas and New Year and was appalled at how few seating options there are in this city. This also applies to garbage cans and toilets.
After walking through the city for hours and there were no seats in the Oculus either, we sat down exhausted on the huge staircase leading to the PATH station. 1 minute later, an officer appeared and told us to get up
I seriously don't know how people can live there let alone look forward to moving there. Too overcrowded, too much going on, etc. A visit here and there but nope
No Longer is this Nation "The Land of the Free, and Home of the Brave" We are now being welcomed into the New Age "Land of the FEE, Home of the (tax) Slave". Better buckle up, lookin to be a hell of a ride.
What ever happened to WE THE PEOPLE?
places for resting and socializing are illegal now
@matthewboyd8689 the darker colored ppl ruined that sort of thing by starting gangs and being violent
@@matthewboyd8689build back better
This is like shutting off the water to the entire house to stop a dripping faucet instead of simply fixing the faucet. But hey, governments are not known for their problem- solving abilities.
the government emulates the attitudes of the people and ignores the possibly larger groups who oppose it because they wont fight back adequately.
Because they don't have them.
Right they literally caused all of these problems 😂
Homelessness is a bit worse than a leaky faucet
- someone who doesn't understand the root of the issue
Where and how do they get away from city owned property open to the public and not make accommodations for the public.
Especially the elderly, pregnant women, and the disabled people.
ADA VIOLATIONS out the gazooooo !!!!!!
Vary sad and brings liability onto the city.
If anyone disabled falls down because they can't stand any longer due to their disabilities it's the cities fault.
Or the elderly by age can't sustain and collapse to the ground and breaks a hip or back or dies.
Or a pregnant woman gives out and falls and loses her baby and sustains injuries
It's going to cost millions upon millions of dollars time after time and have to use tax payer funds to settle or go to court and a judge is going to order them to put in normal benches and other seating.
So that will cost money and to take out the old seating cost money plus all the suites
The Mayor and city council need to be replaced because of misuse of public trust funds out of the public trust accounts.
It's a known violence in advance.
I flew into JFK airport for the first time not that long ago. Looked for somewhere to sit down and send a bunch of texts...walked through the *entire airport end to end*. No public seats. I walked outside the airport to the pickup area. No seats. It was kind of unreal. It's an airport, homeless people can't even get inside without paying, but still, no seats.
what airport do you pay to get into?
@@uncledeadhead3674 All of them, since I'm obviously talking about debarkation.
Some say it's to make you remember to get on the plane on time. Good seat will make you relax and forget the time runs out. I think it maybe a little bit makes sense, but just dont overdo it.
To be fair, you were in arrivals.
Is departures the same? In bad weather people can be legitimately stuck there for s long time. Are there benches in the areas that are off limits unless you have a ticket?
Where are disabled or injured people supposed to sit if there's no seats in the train station. He said security would make you stand up, but what if you literally can't stand up? Is there no mercy for basic needs?
It's also not illegal to sit down so... Like to see them try to arrest me for sitting down.
they lean on their bags/ luggage's i think
Do you find it ironic that the guy making this video is making money from the homeless peoples plight to pay for a home they don't have.😢And how much do you think he's given homeless charities from his revenue😢😢0 dollars😢😢😢
Who gives a shit? Noooobody.
lmao imagine if ppl just started bringing chairs and leaving em there to send a message
Homeless people don’t need a comfortable bench to live or sleep on. They just need a home. They might need help with addictions and mental health problems first. People out and about with or without health problems need comfortable benches when they are forced to wait or just get tired from walking.
That's not stopping people from being homelesss, that's just making everyone uncomfortable.
Need wood palletes and lots of cardboard to be comfortable for damn sure
You will see less homeless on these streets. So win for me
@@deathhunter1029homeless people remain the only group that is "acceptable" to talk about like this, you people act like they're pests
@@nyastalgiakitten They are.
We need more shelters and increased capacity and resources so all of them can get clean. If they're not interested after that then I why should I care? Consequences of your actions and all that. They're adults not children, they can make choices.
@@randomdude1191 they're pests? Being a victim of circumstances outside of your control makes you a pest? I hope you never face financial struggle because you'll finally have to understand what the horror of our outlook causes to other human beings
I remember when I was young and first learned about how we started building curb ramps. Like we decided to start designing things to be better for people in wheelchairs, and in the process we learned that these "accessibility features" made things better for pretty much anyone, including groups that we hadn't thought of like workers rolling around heavy boxes on a dollie.
Glad to see we've finally learned our mistake and are now doing the exact opposite, designing specifically to punish the needy and making things worse for literally everyone else in the process.
The “needy” hahaha keep your thoughts and politics away from cities that are doing it right. Stay in la or ny
That 150 billion dollars of US taxpayer money could have solved the homeless problem. Instead they spend more taxpayers money on stuff to deter homeless from sleeping around the city. It's like putting a bandaid on a stab wound🤣
@@TheeAppleName your favorite city and I'll tell you why you're stupid for liking it.
@@TheeApple I think you missed the sarcasm
@@TheeApple Homeless folk are not in need of something? That what you are saying?
A home, for example?
Don’t forget our vets , thank you for acknowledging people with disabilities and elderly and expectant mothers .
The way we treat vets in this country is disgusting.
Florida its off the rails, people that thought they were going to retire in Florida can't make ends meet. Its disgusting seeing their governor run for president. Everyone talks about people moving to Florida, but I live in Atlanta, which is full of people leaving Florida. I'm also from Florida though, left that dumpster fire decades ago.
People with disabilities, the elderly, and expectant mothers are some of the biggest victims of benches and such being "repurposed" to homeless campsites. This video shows places with no homeless people, and doesn't consider that, when those places have nice benches, those benches are constantly filled with homeless people. It's not like those benches become available for anyone else. He sort of mentions how "loitering" caused problems a few years ago, but just dismisses it.
@@Gee-xb7rtFlorida is the #1 state for both domestic and international immigration
@@Gee-xb7rti was in florida in 2016, 2 bucks for a gallon of gas or a pitcher of Yuengling.
It's been like that in Los Angeles for years. There are areas with benches designed so you can't lay down etc.
It’s art that perfectly encapsulates modern New York: don’t solve the problem, solve the perception.
OK, let's hear your solution.
@@MyUtubeScott - Well lets see.... hmmm... how about NOT spending billions on the rest of the world's homeless people while simultaneously ignoring our own? Time to send a lot of folks home.
@@Mr.Ekshin ya ya ya, ok, WHATS YOUR SOLUTION THOUGH. That’s not a real answer
@@ITrade-r3cYes it is.
@MyUtubeScott There is no answer because most homeless are on drugs, and even if we built facilities for them, tons of buildings just for the homeless, they still wouldn't be allowed in. Thus, just circling back to the start of the problem.
The drug epidemic.
Hostile architecture is literally the definition of "If we can't see the problem, the problem doesnt exist", just sweep the homelessness problem under the rug and it's all fine
That's not entirely it though, is it. Where I grew up there were a bunch of public seating areas on a beachfront esplanade that homeless people basically commandeered as their own, which meant that elderly people walking along that area had nowhere they could sit down to rest. The homeless people could easily have moved themselves to somewhere more sheltered where it wasn't stopping others from resting, whereas the old people walking along that main pedestrian route didn't have any other options for sitting down if they were tired. So in situations like that, which are probably not so common in cities but definitely so in towns, architecture on benches etc. which is 'anti-sleeping' and 'anti-deciding that you now own this particular area stopping others from being able to use it' makes sense.
Spikes on buildings is messed up, though.
Well, would you like to see homeless people everywhere, especially in the center of the city? You sure have seen neighborhoods with streets literally conquered by homeless people, and they come with litter, drugs and violence. Those benches and air vents are not meant to solve the problem of homelessness, just keeping them away
Homeless is a choise, they can go to shelters, but they doesn't want to give up on drugs, so they choose drugs over a better life
It’s not mta responsibility to take care of the homeless. It is the responsibility of the homeless to take care of themselves. I’m not understanding how you guys are mad about the mta cleaning up their business. Those homeless people commit crimes and make the trains unbearable with their smell.
@@russellhank You misspelled Democrat. The exact ones that pushed these bills. Do your homework and go look at the bills presented and see all those politicians on them.
I spent several hours waiting for a 3 a.m. flight in Tel Aviv. It was quite apparent by the nature of the benches that they didn't want people hanging around. They, however, underestimated my ability to snooze anywhere.
:D :D
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no they didn't.
U got me LMFAO sir!👏🤲🎄
@@AssNuggett they did
yeah. thats great. the rest of us dont want people laying all over the place.
Fascinating how much a council is willing to spend on treating symptoms rather than curing the problem.
Putting a band-aid on an infected wound covers it up effectively, but does nothing to treat the infection. This council have become experts at band-aiding their problems!
Hiding, not treating
kinda hard to cure the problem completely tho, China "completely cured" the problem by building a ton of sh*t housing that they gave out to the homeless, but that costs a lot to build and maintain (they do give out money to the homeless for basic survival, and as there is no drug problem in China, they usually use it on something useful). I guess they can improve the problem by giving out subsidies to businesses and so businesses create more jobs, but that don't completely "cure" the problem either. But still, it is not right to just hide the problem either.
That's the business model driving Big Pharma.
You can't cure the problem. that is the issue. People who criticize treating the symptoms keep voting for the problem over and over again.
Worst thing is they are probably pouring a lot of money into private companies to design this stuff, instead of using the money to help the needy
Companies owned by friends of politicians
Yeah, let's spray money at lazy bums who will waste it all the next minute
It's not Afghanistan, Iran or Russia.
In America you get a job and live a decent life
So you have better idea to rid city of these beggars, transients, and druggies we are all ears? No one can help these that they don’t want to help
Netherlands has a good program to help homeless, check it if you are curious.
Middle class jobs matter too and those private companies help people not be homeless. Helping both is totally possible. This is a result of decades of nonsense policy, not the existence of private companies. You'll also learn (one day) that ≥30% of the government bureaucrats who are responsible for resolving this are just busy gaming out their benefits and perks and don't fucking care about any of this at all. No position in society is inherently moral or immoral.
Hostile architecture is a thing in most big cities, like in mine they shut down most of the homeles shelters & mental health services while also doing stuff like this. You aren't fixing the homeless issue, just moving them around the city and making it someone elses problem.
*Most big cities in America
@LennyMill Thats fair, but in my case I don't live in America.
@@Moetastic Fair enough. I just saw "shut down most of the homeless shelter and mental health services" and assumed. Sorry
Yes sir!!
@@LennyMillyou apologized so nicely, God bless and Jesus loves you ❤️
Everybody deserves a a place to sit , everybody . Those benches are comfortable to sit if you’re sitting. I applaud you , please create a homeless shelter,open your home and pay the bills associated with it . Imagine how wonderful you will feel when you turn your apartment into a shelter. .
As someone who has issues standing in one place for extended periods, that train station sounds like a nightmare
There should be at least a tiny seat to rest for few minutes!!! A foot by foot spot? It’s an outright cruelty for the TAX PAYERS. Also for the visitors and travellers.We like to enjoy the city by sitting down for a few minutes.
It’s a shame on the city.
If you’re not buying a ticket, leave. The point was to stop people from loitering and people from trying to make the train station their home.
@lemonadelemon1960 bro people need to wait for the train.
You are free to walk around.
@@lemonadelemon1960Yes everyone knows when you buy a ticket your train will immediately manifest when you go down to get on, also for preventing loitering, no one would loiter unless they felt they had to but let’s instead spend money on making everyone’s lives miserable and making disabled people more uncomfortable
Okay, that bench isn't just anti-homeless, it's anti-butt. I feel like my butt would hurt sitting on what's literally an ARRAY of metal plates. Also, it feels like a lot of money and effort being spent addressing the symptom and not the root cause.
Root cause: lose some weight, get a job, or move away from the most expensive city w/ horrible politics, no jobs, and doesn’t care about its citizens..
@@nicholass2099 Just wait until you find out there's actually homeless people everywhere.
Inflation In 2023: I'm gonna stop you right there buddy.@@nicholass2099
Pretty much
thats not a bench, proly a vent for the subway
For a school trip I went on once, we went to NYC. It was my first time going there, and I was blown away by the skyscrapers. However, at one point in the trip we were at the grand central terminal and we were told to look around and meet back up at a certain time so that we could get on our bus. I didn't have any money to spend at the stores and felt tired from walking a lot, so I spent most of my time searching for a bench, and eventually settling to sitting on the ground with my heavy bags.
I never realized how strange it was that I couldn't find a bench until I watched this video. Great video! They really need to install some benches.
They benches would probably all be full of homeless people sleeping on them, so you still wouldn't be able to sit.
@@Wolfsheim23even if they will be homeless sleeping on it it best to have benches or they make all the benches like the one in the video that you can only sit but you can’t lay on it
@@renad2649 True they should have those. I first noticed this same thing in train station in Rome back around 2011. They put spikes on the low walls too or anything you could normally sit on. Just a few benches around people fought over.
@@Wolfsheim23 if they did like the benches in nyc best then putting spikes on the spots that people sit on it , some of the benches in nyc you can sit on it but don’t feel comfortable sitting on it for a long time and also not all the people get the message of designing those benches the reason behind it not allowing homeless to sleep on it but the spikes is direct message to not allowing people to sit and be comfortable
@@renad2649 No the spikes are on things you would be able to sit on, but they aren't benches. Like on low walls, edges of fountains, etc.
FYI, Wendy's Restaurant hired ergonomics experts to make they're chairs dig into your back so that you would not stay any longer than it takes to eat your burger.
and that's the american way..
no wonder they elected that sad sadistic clown.
Places like New York once had boarding houses where people could rent a room and share a bathroom for cheap.Then countries bought in the better town planning idea and the so called slums or older buildings were classified as health and fire hazards etc. In this sweeping away of the ugly, they displaced so many people into more expensive housing that was impossible to keep up with because of uncertain work, casual work and poverty. Now there is a terrible problem with homelessness that they have failed to address. It now seems they are becoming ruthlessly heartless.
Watch old movies, they show how low income people lived in NY. I remember the scene in which a train came by an apartment shook and the noise was so loud. People must have tolerated such nonsense all the time but at least they had a place to live.
all of what was in the video (especially the one where the security guards will come and find you if you sit on the GROUND?!) and what you mentioned seems more and more like dystopian society. No wonder God Y'hovah lets the society slip into depravity of wokeness and what not, we have forsaken Him and His justice.
@dmwp NY would rather take care of illegal immigrants than their homeless population
Yes, NYC had what they called "Flop Houses" all along the Bowery, I remember them as a Teen in 1966-1976 they were $1.00 per Week, dorm room style and housed only Men. Most of the dudes were WWII Veterans who had succumbed to Alcohol and were in their 50's. Coffee Shops in NYC at that time charged Ten CENTS for a cup of coffee. Average Rent in the East Village was $35 dollars per month. Gentrification and developers changed the city to what it is today.
Spiderman 2 Playstation5 < Where is spiderman or Batman when you need them?
I’m honestly astonished that they don’t have ‘pay per sleep’ pods, or ‘pay per sit’ benches.
Pay per seat is called Starbucks
Yeah…that will probably be something they try next. SMH 🤦🏼♀️
@@colemichae More like the subway.
A pod that was literally a temperature controlled bed that cost a few dollars a night would be a great idea. Too bad there are laws about how big a rental unit has to be and the like.
Million dollar idea bro
Being a disabled person, i have to sit down frequently. I was upset when the local Walmart removed their benches. My only option was stop going to Walmart. I guess thats what they wanted. I haven't been inside Walmart for about 5 years. I feel sorry for cities that do this. They want to sweep everyone under the rug rather than help them. If your not one of the "Beautiful people " they don't want to even see you. Such self centered people will face judgement someday. I wonder how they will explain themselves.
You wouldn't be able to sit down either way with a homeless bum camped out on the bench doing drugs.
Wait, isn’t that kind of a dystopia?? Its gonna be one soon enough.
@@jameslydon3314people like u are what's wrong with society
They don't need. Many people agree with them, they just don't say it. This is really sad.
you made the right decision but you should've made it before the inconvenience...I haven't shopped at Walmart for years because the second I do, I always regret it and I'm not disabled.
I’m a neighborhood association president in a neighborhood in Baltimore, Maryland and I’m sorry, but I need all of this in my neighborhood! It’s not fair to inconvenience the majority for the homeless that I can personally say we have tried to help over and over and over over and over again! It’s time for tuff love!
Sounds like your "help" is garbage.
Also their spelling haha.
But seriously I don't care if there are homeless people around if it means I can get to and from work without being in pain because of hostile seats causing pain because I have ruptured discs.
How did you try to help? Offer food? Or build them a shelter?
Not being allowed to sit on the floor when there are no seats is outrageous.
But there are seats. You just have to be using the train station for its intended purpose (waiting for a train) to use them.
Dang it could add a lot more culture shocks for foreign tourists who live in the country without those strict rules
They are meant not to encourage antisocial behaviour and promote safety .
@@jasonwhitley3751 This is still a major issue.
@@kaninma7237 no it isn't it is done to protect the public from homeless people, most of whom have a long criminal record.
I feel bad for people who're actually injured and have hip/leg (more and any related) injuries, who actually just need to sit down comfortably for a couple of minutes
They wouldn't be able to rest there anyway. There would be a homeless person monopolizing the rest station.
That's who the city is trying to hurt.
You're probably poor too, because there ARE benches in which anyone can sit, but due to the arm rest , homeless people can't sleep there
@@Falconer17777nah, you didn't watch the video properly
There are a lot of homeless people who have disabilities and problems like that too ya know. And if you can't sit down next to someone's who's homeless maybe you should just go home and use your chairs at home.. because they cant.
I was in Moynihan and I wasn't even allowed to sit on the floor. They told me I had to sit on my suitcase or stand.
It's literally criminal.
Where in the City’s code of ordinances is that prohibited?!? Can’t imagine being told I can’t sit in the ground. Wow
Its not a park, its a train station.@@TexasFire_Cross
@@dougtaylor2803 what an a-hole you are you should be proud 👏
@@TexasFire_Cross like 200 people should go in and just staty sitting all over the place for a few months everyday.
Send all the illegals there! @@davidu8688
The designs are also to prevent skateboarders from skating on top of everything.
gives new meaning to "the city that never sleeps"
rofl. underrated comment. :D
The city that never have a seat
Might be outrage from the calorie challenged front those are very narrow seats 🤔 hmmmmmm
I was sitting on a bus terminal seat in Atlantic City waiting for my bus. I was just sitting there with my ticket for about 2 minutes minding my own business. I never been there previously, never loitered, not dressed like a bum, etc. One of the workers there complained to me that I had my eyes closed too much like I was going to sleep. I couldn't believe it. I argued with him and wanted to complain to management, but my bus arrived shortly. It just wasn't worth it. Unbelievable.
Again a violation of the ADA. Wear sunglasses. I sometimes have to close my eyes to limit overstimulation. Sunglasses make it more difficult for people to see you're closing your eyes.
how would you feel if when you went to sit down all the benches were filled with homeless people that were fast asleep sitting there now you're paying customer there and you can't even sit down for a minute waiting for your boss because there's homeless people sleeping in all the chairs
@@DrBeastMcCoy I'd say you're doing a lousy job of understanding the differences.
@@DrBeastMcCoy I would think they needed it more than myself & be grateful I had a home. Ya Jergoff!
@@phenomenalwoman6111Wow, so you believe in private property ownership? Why don’t you just give them your home since they need it more than you
I lived in NYC on and off for 10 years. I remember coming to the city when there would be homeless people LIVING in the subway, Times Square was a major shit hole ... it wasn't pleasant at all. I've had homeless follow me, harrass me, etc. It was scary to be in the subway waiting for a train. I have empathy for people, but who wants to go into a city where there is filth, feces and the stench of piss? No one.
homeless people dont have a choice city is shitty its not poor peoples fault. what do u wanna do genocide homeless people to make the city nice enough for u?
i was only there for two days and couldn't wait to leave. lunatics and homeless people everywhere, spit on one of my friends because he wouldn't, and i can't make this up, buy his lipstick. It's all because we won't get to the root of homelessness and that's drug addiction and mental disorders.
Cash's virtue signalling is on level 10. Homeless people need more help than flat subway grates. If someone camped in front of his building I'm sure he wouldn't enjoy it
my town has a large homeless population too. I feel you. people that criticize this have never had to deal with this I think
Yeah because what NYC is doing is fixing the homeless problem.
I think I've heard a city manager from a US major city saying a few years ago "Homeless people are not our problem. If people made bad life choices the consequences should be theirs only." This is a complete anti-social way of thinking. These technocrats and bureaucrats are transforming State and Government in money collecting machines (via taxes and other sources) leaving defenseless people behind. Tax payers money is for financing State, Government and big corporations and that's pretty it. The fact that the US doesn't have a National Health Care System till this day speaks volumes. It's the only country from the top 50 major economies that doesn't care about their citizens'healthcare, which should be a constitutional right. I don't see what could be more important than health and people's lifes. I'm noticing that the motto "I'm my sister's keeper. I'm my brother's keeper." means almost nothing in the US nowadays. In Europe we also have homeless people, but we don't treat misfortuned people like garbage, waiting for them to die in hopes the problem disappears with it. That's inhumane to say the least. The way you treat elders and defenseless people shows your true values as a Nation.
Remember, the United States is not a Christian nation, nor is it a secular nation. Our God is the almighty dollar, the banks are our churches, and the bankers are the priests. The Federal Reserve and the Treasury are the Vatican in this case.
So heres what irks me:
If a private property owner has hostile architecture in their yard, and someone gets hurt, the owner gets sued. In many places, its illegal to booby trap your property. For safety reasons.
So why is a government entity allowed to do the same thing with immunity.
If private citizens are subject to litigation due to related injuries, so too should the government. Otherwise private property owners should have the same immunity. It should not be a one way street
well what defines hostile architecture on private property could mean a lot more things than whatever the government is doing as shown in the video
Because government duh, when you own the country you do what you wanna do
as a private citizen, I'm suing them for stepping foot on my property in the first place.
For the same reason murder is illegal, except if you organize it and call it a war
@@gadriver so the point I made still stands: rules for thee, not for me
I tried to help someone who had become homeless about twenty years ago, the experience was shocking, what I believed would be humble but sufficient services were instead badly short of being able to meet the needs. Things look worse now.
not everyone can be helped not everyone wants to be helped. I've been homeless twice due to fire and covid costing me a place to live and bouncing back is not easy at all especially when the services to help you get out are not designed to keep you out but set you up to pay as much as you can before falling right back into the rabbit hole.
If you don’t have a home you don’t have an address, if you don’t have an address you can’t get a job. It’s a huge trap.
U tried to help him by simply showing him where he can get help? Does that even count?😀
@@lukazupie7220literally yes. The system is designed to be confusing, someone helping you through it is a godsend.
@@lukazupie7220should he have done nothing instead? Is that better?
Maybe someone did already mention this, but the actual cost for these projects is absolutely insane, people can check the total budget for these kind of stuff, since it's open to public
A budget that could be used to help the homeless situation instead.
They dont want to solve the problem
I'll just say the solution... it'll never be done though.
By contract agreement have homeless go to closed off rehabilitation communities where apartments are provided and utilities, food, supplies are rationed.. guranteed contract UNPAID work which these companies instead put income towards paying rent, food, supplies, etc. and essentially pays off the program.
and turns a profit... the idea to build centers off tax dollars is awful.. people will choose to become homeless just to get scooped into a comfy center where they dont work and get everything...
@@Vuldin7that’s an idealistic proposal. Yes, it may help some but what about the people who choose not to move to your ideal community? The homeless population with mental health issues and drug problems won’t want to abide by the rules that will make your community successful- how do you propose helping them?
Awesome! We need these city planners in my city! What did you expect in the subway, beds and showers?!
Up until the 1980’s the chronic homeless were locked up in psychiatric hospitals. The hospitals were horrible, so they were shut down. Now the homeless, most of whom are mentally ill, addicts, or alcoholics, wander the streets. I’m not sure which situation is worse.
Better they were in the facilities.
Most of those ppl are probably die now, but man the 90s n the 00s must have been filled with those crazy homeless ppl
@@hittingdasaucetheir will always be people with mental problems..... The problem is that we are a Nation that no longer cares for the Vulnerable.... Even the Grown Adults abandon their Parents..... It's when you get old or mentally unstable that you realize how Inhumane our Society has become.....
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There are also a lot of people who are just dysfunctional, physically ill, can't make enough money, and the prices are always going up, etc...i've always been borderline homeless even though i've worked very hard, as well as being dysfunctional...i'm so glad he made this video...!
When I was a cello student at Juilliard in NYC in the late 70's my friend (who commuted a lot during rush hour) always carry with him an ingenious light weight walking stick/cane which converted easily into a little seat! It might be time to bring that idea back!
Yes I was thinking that too. Amazon has a good selection of similar seats.
They sell those walking stick/pull-out seats at my local Dick's Sporting Goods.
Exactly
The cello student at Juiliard was so integral to the story. I would have taken you to be a brass player as you like toot your own horn. Smh
funny !@@andrewhite4431
My first time in NYC my step dad, who’s a bigger guy with knee problems who is also not used to walking all day, got yelled at for sitting down on the floor in some plaza. At the time we didn’t know why it was such a big deal and were kinda confused why there was no where to sit. Now that I know why it’s just sad that instead of fixing the issue they rather just try to hide it. :/
The Dems have gone full-scale center-right. We no longer have even center-left representation in our politics anymore.
Do they offer wheel chairs like some airports do ? How do handicap folks get around? My husband gets dizzy and needs to sit down,he fell yesterday cuz of it,I'm not able to stand for long periods of time and would be sitting on the floor,I'm not able to sit long either,and while at the ER, I had to go lay down in the handicap dirty bathroom stall floor.
Prohibiting people from sleeping in squares and parks is questionable... Now, prohibiting people from sitting... it's inhumane, it's wrong, man!
@@moladhdodhia164 Prohibiting people from sleeping in squares and parks is questionable... Now, prohibiting people from sitting... it's inhumane, it's wrong, man!
@@alexandermoriarty9167 , I understand so many folks are in a rough place in their life, Chicago and Washington State have a lot of folks in need of housing, especially Washington and Portland.
really appalling about the train station...re: High Line..the tree is red, unless I am color blind and also, there are plenty of places to sit and rest for a bit. It is not a park, really...it's more like an installation so I get it being closed by 10pm especially given the residences all around it.
I remember trying to get through all of these places as a disabled person, hobbling around with my cane. I had a ticket, but it was in the middle of the night and I was lost. My plane had been delayed due to snow, so I was taking the train to Albany just so I could get home. MY uber driver didn't speak English and dropped me off at the wrong station. I wasn't dressed for snow, I'd fallen in a puddle and my socks were soaked through. I looked awful, I am sure. I was freezing. I must have looked desperate because I was getting haggled right and left. All the security did was scold me for hurrying, and told me not to run. I had 4 minutes to spare when I finally took my seat. It was a miracle I made it home at all. Had I missed it, I would have been stuck in New York overnight with nowhere to stay. I can't imagine, I really can't. The cruelty of people is unreal.
genuinely sorry for you. Give yourself more time. So important. Get to places early. These things happen when you cut your time short. THINK IT OUT STEP BY STEP. Iuse to be a caregiver.
It's the Genuine New York experience!
This is the BEST of what progressive left policies have to offer!
Hope you enjoyed it because this X10 is the future!
I'm a very empathetic person and I almost cried. Keep it together. You are strong.
@@tiffanyohara6364give yourself more time when your plane has been delayed?... Sometimes things don't go to plan.
@@CainXVII Nothing, absolutely nothing ever goes to plan. That is why you should never cut time short..
I'd like to mention, not only is "Hostile architecture" for the homeless, but the population of disabled people who need to rest. Depending on the seat, a five minute rest can turn into fifteen. Not to mention that those that struggle or can't get up from a low seating position can't even use the edge of the sidewalk. This doesn't even take into consideration if one is to over-exert themselves.
Yep this has definitely put me off ever visiting NYC. I don't feel like I should have to use a wheelchair against my will just because my pain and disability can't be accommodated if I choose to walk around, however slowly.
Yes! I'm mildly disabled and neurodivergent, and I think about people who are more disabled than myself often. I can just imagine that on a day when my body is not doing well, I could end up having a meltdown if I sat on some of those, especially the granite. Sure, sitting is good, but then the pain of hard, cold surfaces would trigger other pain/sensory responses.
Es contra los Inmigrantes!!!
Not to mention pregnant people and people with children, as well as people who acutely experience a temporary disability (e.g., someone who gets injured, develops a headache, or contracts an illness).
Yes, can confirm. I am disabled and city design like this hurts me...physically. People really are just shafting disabled and elderly people as hard as possible in order to get to homeless people. It's disgusting.
I am not homeless, but I can’t walk that much due to a disability. I wouldn’t even be able to sit down to take a break. These people are so cruel.
The cruelty is the point. People walk around holding their noses up disgusted that they even have to look at human beings they think are beneath them.
get a wheelchair?
@@Jason-sh2xc why would I get a wheelchair? I can walk but I can’t stand more than 40 minutes maybe I need to sit down to give my body a break if I got into a wheelchair or use electric scooter all the time my health would decline, but it is cruel what New York City is doing, and other cities like it sanctuary cities that put up illegals in hotels while leaving Americans out in the street and can’t even sit down anywhere now it’s on the news that they are going to pay two years rent for these people while New Yorkers struggle to keep a roof over their heads
@@laurasorrell9713 no no, you misunderstood me. I meant for you to push a wheelchair around and sit down whenever you need to
Get a wheelchair.
Is this the reason TP dispensers are always placed RIGHT where your knee should be forcing you to sit at a 45 degree angle on the shitter ?
I live in a city with huge populations of unhoused (L.A.), and the opposite is far worse. Piles of trash and human waste, used needles, tents. The answer is to build more shelters & provide housing/assistance, not make it easier to sleep on the streets.
This guy gets it. I noticed the video was all "wah wah the homeless can't sleep on benches" and barely touches on the much worse issue of the results of letting those public spaces be used as an open sewer.
I live in South Africa, we have a huge homeless problem here. And it's not as bad as what I have seen in Democrat run places like NY and LA. You know it's bad when they had to create a turd app to track all the human crap on the ground.
And yes, I get it, there isn't any other option for mose of these people. As others have mentioned, sometimes this is their choice to live like this. It's not an easy issue to solve. Throwing more money at it in the form of shelters only serves to exacerbate the issue in the long run. As long as there are handouts, there is little impetus for them to change their situation, if it can even be changed.
What makes this even worse is the fact that Biden's Border Buddies that are being bussed up to NY get all the service industry jobs or get put up in hotels for extended stays. Why aren't the homeless getting the same love?
for nyc they need to build even just better shelters since the current ones are garbage and even being closed by the state
All this right here. I am ONE HUNDRED percent in favor of "hostile architecture"
Imagine living in probably the worst city for homeless and whining about it haha.
The guy doing this video is a perfect example of what causes the problems in cities like NYC and LA.
I used to work at a store where a homeless guy started sleeping on the bench outside under the awning. Everyone was cool with it for about a week until he started pissing and shitting all over the entrance to the store over night and I had to clean it up. It was so rancid you could smell it all the way from the road at the other end of the parking lot. Then we were told to start bringing the bench inside to lock up and told him we didn't want him there anymore. I absolutely understand this stuff. Yeah, not all homeless are like that, but a lot of them are. They're largely methheads or crackheads with no care in the world for being decent to others. Some people are unlucky, but some are completely responsible for their own situations and those people are the ones causing this type of stuff.
so then why the fuck attack the homeless when you yourself say that the problem is hard drugs? Maybe look into that instead? Its not that hard
You try to help in the beginning but then find out the issue is far larger than you can handle. I been there done that long ago and done.
Mental hospitals should be the solution for some not all. There are different types of homeless.
Homeless vets, homeless families, addicted homeless, homeless aged out foster children, homeless, sexually abused children.
In my city we have a small newspaper which list monthly the names of the homeless who passed away on the streets.
That was me you kicked out.... Good times
Wait thats why you got mad? I thought u were cool with it
@@aditiram1837 ofc not
I've been to Moynihan Hall when i had to travel to NYC for work, and I sat on the floor while waiting for my train because there were no seats, but within 5 seconds a security guard came over and told me "NO SITTING ALLOWED!" and made me stand up. Literally insane. -_-
That's wild and doesn't sound like they would have any legal grounds to order people around like that in a public facility.
Literally so crazy there is nowhere to even rest. There are people who get there early to wait for they train so they don't miss it, otherwise they might have to wait a few hours for the next one. They could be holding so much luggage or coming from somewhere else it's exhausting having to stand there after what might be a tiring trip, besides the small food court if you find a seat. Every time I have to take it I call it close just so I don't have to wait for long while holding all my belongings.
Call them nazis
Learn to squat like true Slav 😆😁
@@whale-psychiatristagreed I would love someone to fight that and see what legal precedence they have to actively enforce that rule.
As senior, benches in subway stations are not a luxury. Why are we being so unkind to eachother?
Absolutely! So well said! 😢
Honestly those train stations that force you to stand are terrible for EVERYONE. I'm a 19 year old who is relatively fit but I struggle to stand for long periods of time and not being allowed to even sit on the floor sounds like actual torture for my legs. I can't imagine how someone with a full on disability would navigate that place, or what about people with cardiac problems that have to sit/lay down if their heart rate gets too high?
Wow, this generation is soft.
@@hec53 And stupid.
@Ayran_Gentleman_ How exhausting is it, putting on all that greasepaint and that big red clown nose every morning?
19 and have a hard time standing. It’s not you it’s your entire sissy generation.
you think that only this generation has people with impaired mobility@@hec53
As a former homeless vet, i have to say that the hardest part about being homeless is filling your day and having no where to go. But i dont think they should be crowding sidewalks.
I'm homeless too
how did you end up homeless?
"former homeless vet" that is inspiring and you should be doubly proud. I have a question, for people in dense populated areas, (because you said filling the day and having nowhere to go) do you think it would be beneficial to maybe knock on doors and offer services like lawn care or heavy lifting or something?
Everyone and anyone can work during the day...!!!
The problem is the politicians and there idiotic ways of running a city. Now they are trying to fix a problem they created. Keep voting these idiots into office
The no-seat or almost no-seat train stations are actually kinda common in Europe (but we don't have such a big homeless crysis here). However, you CAN sit on the floor or your luggage. The fact that the security will kick you out for sitting on the floor is probably the most disgusting part of all of this to me.
It's a safety thing rather than a "kick the homeless out" kind of thing. Benches were removed or changed to standing benches to accommodate the overcrowding during rush hours times (so when it is PACKED, nobody accidently gets pushed onto the track, or in the case of sitting, nobody trips over you). I've lived in NYC for about 7 years, and use the subway lines ALL the time. I have never once seen security tell someone to stand up unless it was during rush hour.
@@Turtle-.-ever heard of platform-screen doors...
@@o_s-24 That could be a good fix for the subway, though it likely costs the city way more than just removing benches (our city is suuuuper in debt so they are verrrrry money conscious), but If it were a cheaper option I am sure they would have gone with it to avoid the controversy.
@@Turtle-.-spent a billion dollars on a station is what the video said
@@Turtle-.- Lmao, you're delusional.
Excellent journalism! ❤
This is eerily similar to what LA is trying to do in terms of benches and park designs. I always wondered why it looks weird and used to think it was just modern city design, but now I get it.
usa have lots of money usa funds that money to support terrorism spread misinformation propaganda against india also regime change operation in india bangladesh and many other countries which usa dont like
I don't understand how New York and California are supposed to be liberal and progressive and yet they treat the homeless like they are rats.
My question is.. Why do all of you people want the homeless to have to endure a miserable life on the streets? Do you really think that a comfortable bench (meant for city folk to use) will give them a quality of life you'd personally find acceptable? Why aren't you donating all your spare cash to build them proper shelter? Instead you come to YT to complain about subway benches being too uncomfortable? Doesn't seem like a good solution to me.
@@3rett115 Most people aren't very financially well off themselves and cannot really afford to help the homeless. It doesn't mean they don't have a heart.
I don't think they "came to UA-cam to complain" I think they saw a UA-cam video pop up, and they clicked on it and joined the discussion...
Also, lots of the people in this comment section do donate.
Good, they should do it, the bums are sticking up everything.
Don’t forget hostile sonic architecture as well. There’s a local authority here in Australia that loudly blares out continuous banal music over a PA in an effort to stop homeless people congregating in a particular public space.
Low mood crap
When you are extremely exhausted, music and noise won't stop you from sleeping. You will still sleep even sitting upright
I live in Chicago and near a wallgreens nearby they play clown and circus music it’s really creepy in the empty streets at night homeless people tend to stick around during the day but at night they don’t stick around
You can break it tho... but that may being you to jail
good
Not only is terrible for homeless folks, but also for people like me. I’m 64 year old woman with chronic body pain who needs to be able to sit down! It sure does not make me feel like going to visit New York City anytime soon. 😢
I agree what stupid city. Don’t care to visit New York I’ll just stay in my little town of minnesota😊
@Nan-59
Time to go to the gym and improve the quality of your life. Or stay home.
@@hyena13164, chronic body pain. You can’t fix age or chronic pain with exercise
Don't vote for democrat then......
Well, good luck sitting on a bench that a homeless person who has pissed themselves is sleeping on in the middle of the day
I can only imagine that there was no bench space before they were removed, as they were probably occupied by people d sleeping on the benches. Sounds like they have the sitting benches a renewed purpose for, um… sitting?
Wow if they can throw money, time and efforts, building materials for all this to hurt the homeless, then just imagine what they could do to put effort into helping homelessness. It is not “their” problem, it is a societal problem that is not going anywhere because they have no where else to go. Everyone should be concerned. And society could definitely be set up with better supports.
Theyre forcing homelessness and then torturing people cia archetecture until they leave into where we live. Where i live there is 0 hostile archetecture because only a criminal designs a bench to be uncomfortable
Majority is not homeless problem is drug problem its been going on 30 years now
Radio talk show hosts ridicule, mock, dehumanize, stigmatize and attack the homeless as 'scum". Until they lose their jobs and become homeless. It really is that simple. Our nation of hypocrites are all a few pay checks from being homeless. So - instead of talking about real core problems and solutions - we attack the victims. America is sick as a dog.
I don't have to imagine, I just have to look at California to see how the government would go about it.
Don't be naive, the government sucks.
they should help homeless people by giving them jobs
I am disabled with 2 crushed discs. I can stand for VERY short amounts of time without pain and stamding upright for any period of time is going to cause pain. Having no benches or places to support my back is awful. It doesn't just hurt people with nothing, it hurts everyone.
U can get a walker with a seat. In fact, with ur condition, u should already have been given one. I'd ask ur dr about getting one for u
sounds like a YOU problem
Isn't it fortunate then that there are laws in all 1st world countries requiring by law that certain standards are maintained for people with a handicap. Because my tax dollars pay for your 3rd grade education as well. @@RangaInHD
@@shannapowers4346 I do training many hours a week explicitly to prevent myself from having to use a walking aid.
Goodluck brother in the same position the state try everything to not help people like us, i'm fucked just like you back problems
This is horrible for anyone with a disability or old. Shit even just has any type of pain
I hate having an old.
Agreed. Every plan that includes excluding one group of people will also exclude other groups too. Why spend money on these type of projects instead of solving houselessness by funding housing and resources for those who need it.
Even to someone who just want to sit as a normal person.
I know politicians likes it, but not everybody feels good when sitting on spikes.
Stop lying
if you are in sooo much pain wtf are you looking for in NEW YORK DOWNTOWN IN A DAYLIGHT? You need to go to the hospital, plenty seats there. If you are old, you driving your car you being drove around by daily care or using taxi. For ordinary productive citizens these are almost obsolete. On the other hands, hobos likes to loitering and from loitering crime is born. Boredom, sun, welfare checks and healthy amounts of alcohol altogether with underfinanced police will really make you think twice about shit you have wrote
I mean yeah, society basically encourages people to be homeless. This wasn't necessary in the good old days because people were actually willing to work. It sucks but it's easier to keep the riff raff out through architecture than it is to change our culture.
As a kid, New York had sort of a fairy tale appeal, especially with the help of media and movies. I’ve been to manhattan and there are parts of the city that are still beautiful.
But I’d never live there, because the general attitude is hostile and appalling. You could get arrested for sitting down somewhere without paying, and everyone around would just pass you by as you got tased.
When was that? 1950?
That's the attitude in the entire country. As a young European kid of only 20 years old I was on my way to the Caribbean. During a stop over in Miami I was looking for a phone booth near the transit area. Then out of nowhere this frantic police officer appears yelling at me i shouldn't be out there and told me I was this close to getting arrested. I was 20 years old and not used to this kind of authority. We don't have that in Europe. I've never set foot on US soil ever since.
I have been a tourist in NY city this last three summers, and I have met some very rude person, persons who I asked for indications and they just passed by, honestly I was a little upset and incredulous about the lack of humanity and manners some ot them had towards me, but I did also find 2 persons who were like angels with me, I guess I couldn't generalize.
I feel the same way and I’m from Chicago . NYC use to seem cool but nothing compares to home
@@moladiver6817 it’s pretty much every urban area in the United States
I've been homeless, but not in NY. As a short person, I still managed to sleep on the "anti-honeless) furniture and structures. Taller people would struggle.
Sad part is, often homelessness is just plain bad timing, bad luck and you're fighting endlessly to get free AND to maintain your humanity. Once you start saying "F" the world, your chances of getting help while making efforts, become slimmer.
I'm no longer homeless as of almost 10 years now, but I do not forget those times. The people helped me, the near "misses" and then eventual foothold out.
I’m happy everything worked out for you 🙂
may i ask what causes homelessness in the US ? was it lack of jobs, or simply a choice ? (going homeless in a city, but have homes in the suburban).
Glad you got over your drug problem and managed to leave that out of your comment.
@@ibnuhajarulinnuha6288drug use and mental illness caused by dopamine/serotonin dependent society who have lived in luxury too long. The weaker parts of the gene pool tend to enlarge in comfortable societies. Europe is lucky they have the American taxpayer footing their defense bills.
@@bendover9021 Yeah and you certainly included your colorful personality in your comment. What an assumption to make of someone, wow.
I am a truck driver over the road and see examples of this in truck stops and travel centers too. The idea is to stand and keep moving thru the store or sit at a restaurant where there is pressure to buy a meal. It really is more comfortable, and the staff is more accommodating if you come and buy and go. They are training us to be good little consumers.
On point!
restaurants are for eating... not hanging out for hours, taking up a seat where someone who wants to eat could.sit. Poor argument on your part.
yeah but who forced these homeless people into this pointless death trap insane asylum slavery horror show existence in the first place ?
You're supposed to buy food at restaurants, that's how society works. If you go to a restaurant to just hang out and not buy anything, that's what we call loitering, which is illegal for many valid reasons.
He said the travel centers are putting hostile Architecture which are to make ppl instead go inside the restaurants and buy something and go.. ur counter argument is stupid
Really great video thank you for your excellent work❤
Me and my wife stopped going into the city and shopping malls. We are older and finding somewhere to sit is not so easy. An aging population and nowhere to rest, unless you pay a fortune to sit down for a cup of coffee, but you can't keep having cups of coffee to have a sit down, as you walk around the mall/city.
Defensive architecture would still allow you to sit for a bit. As you're probably not going to camp there, this won't impact you at all.
@@personnesenki4521 It is all dependent on how you define "a bit."
Five minutes? 10 minutes? 15 -- you get the idea.
@@queenswillrule These designs don't stop people from sitting. It prevents them from sleeping overnight.
@@queenswillrule it's temporary. It's not supposed to be a place where someone can camp out every night.
@@queenswillrule You can sit all you want you cant comfortably sleep on it. If the cops did their jobs this would not even be an issue.
The fact that security will FORCE you to stand up in a place with nowhere to sit is fucking insane and authoritarian.
@@Cardioid2035It's time to get back to licking your master's boot.
You shouldn't be loitering in train stations or subways anyway.
@@ryan7864 ..By loitering do you mean.. waiting for your fucking train?
Yup nazis EU is taking over
@@ryan7864 How the fck is sitting considered loitering around?? It is like they assume we are vehicles or something I wonder what is next removing seats in the train??
It's not just about homelessness, it's about getting people to accept being treated like criminals.
My back is killing me because I just stayed in a motel that wouldnt give me a chair to sit in maybe theyve been studying under these assholes
Exactly I want someone to do something about this it should be illegal to harm people
Absolutely! Another poster pointed out that it's like shutting off the water to a building to fix a leaking faucet or like amputating a foot to cure a hangnail. Victimising people who have been marginalised by that same system.
They marginalized themselves by being lazy, drug users or drunks. @@koriw1701
remember in 2020 when a certain something was happening and thousands of homeless went something something missing from large cities? I wonder what happened to them
Shame on any place in any country that is doing this kind of nonsense..... Why don't they take that money that they're using to keep them away and put up some housing or even tents that they can go camping in a safe area and be safe I literally am outraged at this where's the humanity gone
As an older man with severe mobility issues this hurts me. I don't mind sitting next to a homeless person who has nowhere else to go. I've had many interesting conversations with people who have a different perspective on life.
As a younger man that doesn’t live in the city, I see all this as an absolute win
I think thats kind of the point with this. Its slightly inconvenient for people like yourself that need it, but it allows it to be available to be used for its intended purpose. I also dont think civil engineers and city officials are intentionally displacing homeless people. It may be a design to keep them in certain parts of the city where services are available to them.
Im all for it tbh but thats my opinion
I would never ! I live in LA nuh uh …
@@Radbot776HOMELESS PEOPLE BAD.
i went to america and new york with my class back in like 2018, so much of our waiting around at tube stations accompanied by asks of "where are all the benches?" "where can we sit?" and it was such a pain for our massive group of young students to manage to meet up and stay anywhere for a talk by our teachers.
The first thing you learn when you become homeless (and it doesn’t take long); That it’s true, people really don’t give a toss if you live or die and the thing they do want is to not be able to see you!
True... be homeless all you want don't ruin my day please
NY and the left CAUSE homelessness.
I really don't like how these things presented as some kind of innovation, they treat homeless people like rats
@@silly_emoji_useri can only assume they did it because alot of homeless people became homeless because of poor life decisions. Drugs, gambling, poor management. There's always outliers but that's typically the case.
Where im at, I've given a hundred $ to a single homeless person a few times, hoping they'd use it to get a bit better. Instead what I noticed is that they're gone for maybe a week then back to where they are, except they look more drugged/emaciated than before. I feel bad for them but they just do it to themselves. And since they don't help themselves, it's not much you can do to help them.
I mean nobody wants other people's problems.
At the end of the day the best way to help homelessness is to provide a way out of it, charity only helps in small increments.
Look at California now, the homeless industrial complex is F***ed up to the point where donations to the homeless pay for the workers salaries helping the homeless more than helping out actual homeless people.
What the homeless people need to do is get a ride to the border and come back across illegally. NYC will put them up in hotels, all expenses paid. free healthcare, meals, everything.
When i was homeless, i slept on the rocks anyways. There's not much you can do to stop a person from sleeping if theyre desperately tired
"... if theyre desperately tired."
Or sh1tfaced drunk, like 98.7995378 percent of the vagrants and bums in the city where I live.
@@userer4579 You just sound like a bitter person who hates homeless people.
@@userer4579I was probably one of them
@@brianjones9780 The key word in both of your comments is "was".
@@userer4579gotta stay warm
Some how
They did this in the UK years ago. All the bus shelters were knocked down and a replacement canopy was put up instead, over the top of benches which slant downwards so you can't sleep on them. In some areas they've actually made sleeping rough a criminal act, which you get fined for (as a homeless person) and they collect all your stuff up while you're down at the station and dispose of it in a garbage truck. How any of that is supposed to _help_ anyone is beyond me 🤷♂
Do people not realize that homeless shelters exist?? Sure it's not very stable but it's better than begging for change on the street.
It's pure evil
its obviously not, its supposed to make the cities more beautiful
Until they have forced drug rehab or mental health treatment, this is not even a bandaid for the problem. Arrest and treat.
Helping people should be their goal, not just pushing them away. Those people have to go *somewhere*, preferably somewhere comfortable and safe. I want to know how much is spent on these hostile designs, vs how much it costs to actually address homelessness and try to help those people.
This “hostile architecture” serves multiple purposes. One is like you pointed out anti-homeless. But in the case of the very last part you showed those also almost definitely were put in as skate stops. That park is a perfect street spot and they knew that
I came here to say this too. I can see how it might not seem so to the average person. Definitely skate-stoppers though.
Take a 5 lb maul and a pry bar. No more skate stoppers. They don’t realize most skaters are also blue collar workers.
I immediately thought the same. Never skated in my life, but I used to develop and manage real estate, and it seemed pretty obvious.
Exactly. As i mentioned to someone else here. It Isn't just used to discourage the homeless from sleeping on things. It's also used to keep people from lingering and being in the way of others in high foot traffic areas, such as subway stations and airport concourse hallways. Some workplaces have adopted a type of hostile architecture in the form of a toilet with a slanted seat, to keep employees and sometimes customers from spending too much time in the restrooms, likely in these day in ages diddle daddleing on their phones. Then there the one you pointed out, to keep kids from skateboarding in areas where they shouldn't be. Hostile architecture in the basics, has been for the longest time used in controlling vehicle traffic in certain places, such as speed bumps to keep people from speeding through parking lots, residential streets.
@@smelltheglove2038little Angle grinder here and there
If The government can tell an employer what they have to pay their employees why can't they tell a renter what they have to charge for rent for
I’m disabled and I was in Las Vegas for the first time over Halloween and I was forced to stand in quite a bit of pain because all of the potential sitting areas around had the spikes on them. Sitting on the ground isn’t a great option because it’s really hard to get up and also it’s gross and dirty.
But if you had "non-hostile" benches in NY you would have a homeless stinky person laying on it and then you would be standing instead of sitting on a little less comfortable bench...
@@dusanrepanovic6128 yes but its more likely for then to find an empty bench to sit on if they were non-hostile, benches were originally made for a reason
Those "potential sitting areas" weren't there for you to sit. That's the point. They don't want you to sit there.
Take a cheap and mobile sitting solution with you. A foldable chair. There are plenty of solutions for us to be comfortable in our environment. However, cities and municipalities have no other option to make these environments safe and healthy.
If you are that disabled then why not use a wheelchair?
Just for reference. Those last granite seatings had grind blockers. They’re used so bmx riders and skaters don’t wax and grind the ledge. I used to skate the city and places that were popular with skating redid their buildings and put up the grind blockers so we couldn’t use it.
Great video just wanted to put that out there
and the point is largely to prevent the damage that 'grinding' causes - plus when skaters in particular let their boards go flying into things. i volunteered at a historic public marble park feature, and it was on its way to ruin due to everything from excess wear and gouges to actual chips out of the stone.
i think there's a lack of consideration of what unintended uses of public spaces and features does to our infrastructure, and general public use -- and what the long-term impacts of that are, with a few feeling entitled to do things that are disrupting to others. like some skaters will even put wax on things, that then harms the material and gets in the way of normal use.
@@reynemayer2942 yeah I’m 25 now and don’t skate or bmx really at all anymore, this was when I was like 12-17 and I agree I wouldn’t mess up anymore ledges. I waxed and destroyed many. I wouldn’t want it done to my business but it’s hard for me to get mad at kids just tryna have fun, I was once that.
Because it destroys the architecture that the taxpayers spent money on. Go to a skate park.
@@Googlywinker yeah no shit I already said that. And kids get into things in the city or wherever they are. We’re you allowed out of the house as a child ?
Bummer braa
I live in Canada and used to work in a mall. When the mall was first built, 30 years ago, they had lots of seating. Over the years they removed much of the seating except for the food court. They also removed most of the garbage bins because they don't want to pay for the garbage removal. I don't work there now, and I barely ever go there any more.
Late stage capitalism. God forbid we build some comfortable seating and people actually have a moment to chill and compress. Nope! They are literally trying to tell us that EVERYTHING is transactional. If they could commodify air they would. Very sad time.
malls are a symptom of car-dependent infrastructure anyway, so that doesnt surprise me
@@shieldgenerator7 Honestly while trying to enjoy the Mall with your Family, your toddlers get tired and want to take a break... wait a second there is a person laying there during the day...rotting away. Why help them...? we got to get the Migrants what they need before we deal with American Born Humans
I worked in a big box retailer. We had a trash can out in front of the store. It was filled almost every day with garbage unrelated to the store. People would pull up and empty all their car trash. Dirty diapers, food containers. I finally talked the manager into removing it completely. Let people empty the garbage somewhere else…like their house.
@@shieldgenerator7 why would Americans want to use public transportation. Maybe u don’t have kids .
There is no better exemplar of Government/Bureaucratic problem solving.... this right here is essentially what they do with literally any ptoblem they are tasked with "solving".
I've seen a lot of this in my city. Often in the form of small areas that are just big enough to fit a person, which had previously been used by homeless people to stay out of the wind in the winter so they don't die, getting fenced off, or even having fully functioning doors built to protect them.
It blows my mind that we seem to think it's irresponsible to use public money to give homeless people better places to sleep without dying, but it's not irresponsible to spend public money to give homeless people fewer places to sleep without dying.
The successful culture is that of the sociopath culture. If you want to make it in life you need to be able to sacrifice your fellow humans. If you don't believe me then look no further then the bench's outside. Only a sociopath can bamboozle your city council to approve of a design that features spike like concepts to stop people who have nothing from sleeping on a bench overnight.
Because the government can't account for everyone's mistakes. There may need to be programs, if there's not already, and if there is, it probably needs an update. But the government can't be a safety net for everyone who decides to get off this hamster wheel.
Poor people are public enemy number 1 and the rich is our friend in need
@@sh0tgUn_sYko Yes it can
yk homeless shelters exist right
In the early 90’s Penn Station and Grand Central station were taken over by homeless people. Ridership plummeted, crime skyrocketed and they were considering discontinuing night time service.
Instead they removed the homeless camps and made it difficult for that to reoccur.
Everybody seems to conveniently forget that part of it or all the complaining that was happening because of that. Imagine, considering what our "Law & Order policies" have turned into, what Penn, GCT etc. would look like.
Libs don’t care about crime. They think people are stealing Gucci because they need to eat
Everyone complains about getting randomly attacked by homeless people in specific areas. But when the City tries to mediate the problem by removing them from those hotspots, people also complain.
@@LeeeroyJenkins whoever complains about such measures is a child. No, really. If you make it easier for them, then more of them will come and make the situation worse. Just like when you give money away on the street, you're thinking you're helping them, but you're dragging them further into their crisis. Knowing they will aquire money every time they're there they will come back. That's not the way.
@@sLim88CPCso whats "the way"?
I live in Los Angeles and I started noticing this years ago when all fast food places eliminated outdoor seating and now they have signs inside that say you can only stay there for 30 minutes. You also can't use the bathroom unless you're a paying customer. They tore the bathrooms down at some of the smaller city parks because homeless junkies were camping out in there, shooting up and sleeping.
So ppl and children now relieve themselves in the park in public???
@@AmandathePandaBooks As a matter of fact they do. Or where ever. We have a major homeless problem. The other day I saw a guy whip it out on one of the busiest street corners in the San Fernando Valley and pee on the little corner of grass in front of the gas station.
I was in Sacramento in March with pops and man let me tell you how fucked that town is it was cool cause I got to see my pops hated that shit junkies everywhere!
In my city, fast food restaurants never had outdoor seating in the first place. Lol!
How revolutionary would it be to provide the homeless, mentally ill and even junkies a place to urinate, deficate, wash their hands and dispose of their garbage? Is that such an insurmountable problem? Is it just too much to ask of an affluent, technologically advanced civilization?
I wasn’t aware of hostile architecture, I am know and it’s a truly horrid way of controlling everybody in so called public spaces. A very thought provoking video…thank you.
When COVID hit the city I live in, they removed all benches OUTSIDE of buildings, but not inside the Malls or other buildings. I found it really awkward to have nowhere to sit with bags of groceries while waiting for a taxi, or needing to rest the odd time while walking home. Some people actually walk to places. This permanent solution NYC has implements is not fair to anyone who lives there.
If when you're going to sit down you find a homeless person sleeping, then it didn't benefit you.
@@facundocesa4931Well then that's why you create good homeless shelters instead.
Besides there's not going to be a homeless person on every bench, I've never seen a single homeless person sleeping on any bench, and I've been to cities with homeless people.
@@volkova6209 exactly
And yet, they continue to take citizens taxes...
@@volkova6209 I live in a city with a rampant homeless issue and let me tell you how full of hot air you are to make that assertion.
They do take up and sleep on EVERY available surface to the point that whole entire parks are homeless camps with tents lining the side of the road and people wandering strung out and half naked into a busy street. Not just benches, they sleep on EVERY available surface.
I say sleep, but let's be real about it, they're not sleeping, you don't even walk through forested regions around the city due to needlestick hazard. Everything is tagged, everyone gets harassed on the streets.
Just stop acting like I don't half to walk through the scenario you think doesn't exist just because you visited a place with 3 homeless people and think you've got it figured out.
I was homeless because of Covid. The amount of homeless people was scary. They got funding to help the homeless but it’s hard. In P.A Philly they have homeless shelters in place but it’s hard to come by if your trying to find a place that is going to keep you. First come first serve ordeal. Problem is it’s a mess. I got help and now on my own in my own place. You have to know the right places to help you. In Montgomery county pa they got rid of their shelters. If they find out your homeless they will have cops or someone to pick you up and drop you in norristown pa. Problem is there’s no shelter so no one can get help. They are in the woods just chillin. But they have the same motto with the homeless in p.a. In Philly they have these benches. They have had cops escort people off certain places in Philly. It’s awful. You can’t even use a public restroom anymore they put locks on the doors. It’s a real problem. Sad thing is if you try to get help they will either put you in a residential that steals your money so it makes it harder for you to leave. The system is so broken and greedy that no one is getting help. You really have to be your own advocate.
Congrats on getting yourself out of that situation
@@Dragon228833 agreed. It's a minor miracle and they were lucky. Not that one should have to be lucky or that the support should be inadequate.
congrats, friend, that's an amazing hardship to overcome.
If you were homeless, it wasn't cuz of COVID, it's cuz you live beyond your means. Not COVID.
@@CollaborativeDataAccounts wtf, a LOT of people were suddenly out of work bc of it, and because of wages not keeping up with inflation, many live paycheck to paycheck 🤷 what a bizarre place to put you BS.
New York City is one of the hardest places as a visitor, to find a place to sit and relax, or to find a clean toilet! Unless you’re from the city, and then you know all the secret spots, and the best nooks and crannies!😊
Private business aren’t on the hook for homelessness. Fk anyone that thinks they need to deal with a problem the government created.
The fun part is watching the designers of these things react when the homeless adapt. Nothing shows that the people in charge think of the homeless as not human more than seeing them panic when the homeless adapt and overcome. Cardboard over spikes to make them comfortable, constructing cardboard or form entrenchments to keep from slipping, they can make it work, and look a lot worse for the designers.
and who was at the disadvantage?
no not homeless or designers, but us general peoples both US citizen and overseas tourist who hapen to explore the world
I like how you act like the people this is targeted at the drug addicts who refuse to get clean, thus stay homeless. Every person in NYC can get a bed indoors at any time, it is literally the law. They just don't like said bed comes with a requirement to behave and not be intoxicated.
@@ShaggyRogers1 if the rules were not as strict as the other side of globe, ofc this hapens
@@ShaggyRogers1 Except most shelters are run by nepo babies with ties to government personnel and have a history of money embezzlement.
@@vayne7556 So.... You are going to say that there needs to be government programs, but when people point to the existence of those programs, that doesn't count? A bed is a bed. Food pantries across the US have plenty of supply and financial assistance for food is easy to get on if you actually apply correctly. There is no reason to be hungry in the US unless you are lazy. Every person in NYC gets a bed at a shelter if requested BY LAW.