@@rageleague188 and with that, the shadow needed some time to get into her nerves, at some point that KANJI! The most stupid in the group, have time to think how he can hold Naoto to say the magical boss words, but have even more time to think how she will live worried if he do so, meanwhile the others are like Shadow: *mean thing* Anyone: YOU ARE NOT ME!
Naoto's shadow is unique from other shadows in the way that it is almost entirely reasonable. Besides the fact that the shadow is brutally confrontational, they speak as equals. "There's no avoiding first principles. Admit that you're a child, and admit that there's nothing you can do about it." ...thats not unreasonable. Naoto is 15. The shadow very pointedly tells her what she needs to change, and is fair about it. "They made you cry, didnt they? Yet here you are, mimicking those same men. What exactly are you trying to justify?" She's right. Mimicking the jerks that marginalised her wont give her what she wants: Acceptance. The body-modification idea and taunting her because of her own childish tendencies to justify isolation are a bit extreme, but otherwise, even Naoto's most negative aspect is looking for solutions, as opposed to solely validation like the other shadows.
+Gibus Edgeless Shirogane's shadow was always my favourite. All members of the investigation team have multiple, deeply rooted problems, but only shadow Shirogane truly displayed this in my opinion, cleverly behaving less like one and more like two to capture more of Shirogane. It switches between who she perceives herself to be to who she desires to be, helping to capture exactly who she is and how she feels. The secret base themed area also helps a great deal, not only capturing the whole "You're only a child," thing but also in a way symbolising how secretive she is about this whole thing, and that's brilliant in my opinion. I'm sure the others did a good job too, but this is the best I've seen so far.
Fun fact: naoto was planned to be a guy who was mistaken a lot for being a girl but was changed to a girl but the fact that people mistook her for the opposite gender still remained
Thanks, I didn't know that. It makes the beginning of the confrontation really interesting then: like the 1st draft was for the revelation to be: "Naoto has a childish view of what it means to work in/alongside law enforcement and the motivations of the people who do," and then the final draft was: "Most of that is still true, which is within Naoto's ability to control, but it's compounded by the 'just-barely-unspoken' sexism in law enforcement generally and Japan in particular, which is outside of Naoto's control." It's hard to say which is ultimately more apropos to the story's central theme of "How People View Themselves is Influence by How Their Society Views Them, Even When They Factually Know Better," as the Male Naoto could have turned into a brutal takedown of the shota stories that make up the bulk of Pop Japanese Fiction. On the other hand, Female Naoto addresses the more subtle nuances of sexism that have no easy resolutions. Laws and oversight don't necessarily correct people's preconceived biases, especially when they're reinforced by such thorough idolization of certain archetypes. Naoto's shadow even tells her that none of her personal heroes, at least within her desired profession, are women.
man, out of all the shadows, naoto's has to be my favorite. the way she speaks, and the fact that everything about the situation was well-written enough, not appearing as half-assed or overly cutesy and squishy. i like that a lot
I also like how this scene sort of confirms that to an extent, somebody doesn't have to specifically say "You're not me" in order for a Shadow to take it's true form. Chie calls out to try to prevent Naoto from saying that, but even then she already believes it fully and that's enough for Naoto's Shadow to fully take form.
Interesting that Naoto apparently had no trouble at all putting up with her Shadow when alone, but the moment other people enter the room to witness this scene, Shadow Naoto suddenly goes hard mode on her.
It probably realised “There are others in here? If they interfere I cannot commence the operation. No more fooling about: I must resort to the cold hard truth.”
I feel like that's because Naoto herself is probably quite aware of her shadow, probably a good long while before this encounter. Therefore, she's probably quite used to it and knows how to at the very least get it to shut up. But when a bunch of people that are strangers to you, are suddenly exposed to that side of you, it would freak anyone out.
I liked how up until 4:08 Naoto was trying to keep up her facade of being a male by continuing to deepen her voice until she was pushed too far by her shadow self she just throws it all to the wind.
actually, he's on air in p4 arena again, before that, dojima still visited him in prison many times, he is not in a bad relationship with dojima family including yu, he was just the true culprit and he had to be caught
I love the fact Kanji was the one trying to help Naoto progress the most. Not saying the others didn't want it but he certainly knew that it would only get better if she just dealt with the shadow on her own. And then at the end, as he said just kick the shadow's ass.
+-discontinued- Not those words specifically, note what Kanji said to his Shadow 'There's no way in hell that you're me!'. it's not the words, just the action of denying the Shadow.
"You know the problems it could cause if something happened, right? *Like, if it happened you were mixed up in it,* we'd be real worried" Gives me chills every time.
when I saw the first scene of this boss, the fact that Naoto is lonely and wants company and yet rejects giving company to her shadow and even talks badly of her shadow(ie herself) just fucked with my heart so bad. I wasn't expecting the childish sounding shadow either so that doubled down on my heart strings.
At 18:28 Adachi puts strange emphasis on "if you were mixed up in it"--I don't know if that was a conscious decisions by JYB, but looking back on it now it sounds a little suspicious in a delicious way.
supre977 I think it’s correct If you liked her when you perceived her as a “boy” and still like her when you now know she is a girl, you are bi. -or pansexual-
I love the small detail that all the character portraits on the status bar on the right side of the screen are looking upwards in Persona 4, but look downwards in Persona 3.
@@franconunez925 In an ideal world yeah, but these are all people who have a lot of issues with themselves. Also, if your deepest issues were just revealed in front of a group of strangers, would you not be uncomfortable and deny it? Sure with Yukiko for instance, Chie was there, but even then, having a secret that you didn't want to tell someone just suddenly being told to that person would cause anyone to react like that.
Shadow Naoto is Persona’s definition of a smart video game boss, not only when it comes to knowledgeability (since the real deal has her fair share of smarts), but also when it comes to adapting to the player’s fighting style.
I still love that unlike in past dungeons where the victim is begging their shadow to stop by the time you get to them, naoto is just like "ah, took you long enough"
Just as Kanji represents ambiguous sexuality/bisexuality, Naoto represents ambiguous gender. The thing about both of them is that it doesn’t matter what box you put them in or label them, they are what they are. Does Kanji’s sexuality change whether Naoto is male or female? No...because she’s ambiguous. It just means Kanji likes people who look and act like Naoto does lol which is both male and female at the same time. It’s very complex...and very compelling
While I agree with Kanji's sexuality being ambiguous, you do realize that Naoto's whole deal wasn't that she wants to be a man, or identifies as one. But rather, that she pretends to be one because that's the only way she is able to succeed in her workplace. Therefore, making Naoto an actual man would change her entire arc.
@@bluebird1914 Maybe I didn't make that clear, but yes, that's what I was trying to say. Naoto's story arc is about the physical expression of gender, a different discussion from Kanji's, but their stories influence each other. Naoto's arc was not about sexual attraction or inner confusion, but rather about being seen for her keen mind, and, to that end, floats between the binaries of male and female (which makes her ambiguous, because on first glance you would accept her as either male or female). Kanji represented sexual ambiguity (attraction) and Naoto represented ambiguous gender (which is entirely about outer appearance and presentation, not the inner self). TLDR I think we're on the same page :D
I like how the group was like "nooo don't say you're not me" when Naoto literally started the convo with "You wear the same face as me... It's as if you're implying we're implying we're one and the same. But the difference between me and you is..." like it's so funny that the fight didn't start right then and there
This game hits the hardest topics with it's main theme, and even though I never played the game, the anime gave me a good idea of the things this game talks about
Interesting how Naoto had such an inferiority complex over being a female in a male-oriented occupation, yet Chie is easily able to decide she wants to join the same field by becoming a police officer. Could it be because of Naoto that she doesn't see her gender as an obstacle? Man...it's a good thing Naoto was never on Tumblr...the SJWs there would have her convinced that being a female detective is a hopeless cause.
Tristan Wong be happy that you don’t know about either them or their counterparts and the childish war between both of them. No matter what you watch, one side will always feel offended and so the bullshit war keeps going on
I was waiting for this confrontation. I wanted to see how a highly intelligent person talks to their shadow. It's great the shadow is just as intelligent as Naoto herself. I thought that Naoto wouldn't immediately fall for emotional manipulation, and she doesn't at first. But the shadow, having equal intellect, knows how to build a case, how to build an argument and use that to tear down Naoto's logic so that she can get to the heart of the matter and get Naoto to reject her.
The anime had a better voice. Here its debatable whether Naoto is male or not. In the anime she has a deeper voice making a bit more believable that she is a guy.
I remember introducing my friend to persona 4 then when he sent me a picture of Naoto saying he looks cool I was like "Yeah, HE is pretty cool I guess"
Hey, I'm surprised you went with the full team. Naoto is the only boss with Kunino-Sagiri that I did with only Yu and a reflecting Persona(phys reflect for Naoto(Rangda) and lots of elemental repels for Kunino-Sagiri). Doing it with the whole team felt like more of a hassle to me. But I was playing P4, not P4G. Is the fight different here?
@@KTam853 Well, we can still use her as the model for that hypothetical scenario (although, it certainly helped that the repressed thoughts that formed Shadow Futaba were positive.)
I remember when I first played through this game with my friend. He kept insisting Naoto was a guy even when I was sure she wasn’t. After Mitsuo’s dungeon, he mentioned something about doing HER dungeon. I got him to clarify that he was talking about Naoto, then told him his mistake. He was pretty mad at himself, but I was already sure that was the case
A shame, such a good scene. Never really put it all together when I was a kid but when I played the PC re-release I was able to grasp the themes the game has
2:16 Ummm... ever read Miss Marple Naoto? Then again she's probably only grew up with Japanese detective novels which are obviously lacking in female ace detectives so it wouldn't be out of possibility.
Damn if only Naoto knew about Miss Marple. But even then, Poirot is the more famous one, and I've not seen many people that aren't big fans of crime mysteries talking about Marple's stories, so I guess not much changes at the end of the day
@@joaoassumpcao3347 It has come to my attention that there is an anime based on Poirot and Marple tales and it ran between 2003 and 2004, it is also apparently quite accurate to the source material...
The anime version was better. The voice sounded a lot more like a guy and it was a lot more sinister. This one really sounds like a girl and sound very dramatic rather than scary.
For any of those who have trouble identifying themselves in modern day society, just remember, you don't have to go through surgery or hormone treatment to change who you biologically are. Just follow Naoto's example and face yourself, accept it, and move forward.
The reason why people go through hormones and sex reassignment is to alieviate gender dysphoria though. The whole reason why trans people exist is because their brain developed one way, and their body developed another way in the womb. and frankly, it's easier to change your body than to change your brain's entire wiring and chemical composition. Being transgender is not a choice, simply put, and transgender people are alieviated from the side effects of being developed wrong in the womb through transitioning. Women and men are treated differently, and identifying as the opposite gender, while being treated as your birth gender fucks you up big time mentally. People perceive you as someone that you aren't, and it's awful. Simply put, no. Do not condone the writing of naoto. It's piss poor writing on trans people. Albiet that this game was made in the early 2000s, and trans related information was not available as readily as it is now, but that doesn't excuse the fact that it's mismanagement of a transgender character. If this were a real situation, none of naoto's issues would be solved. In fact, they would be worsened. Accepting the fact you are born female is one thing, but denying yourself a means to feel at ease with both your body and society is a complete different thing, and his shadow probably would have went haywire and killed him.
@@syliic934 It is not at all mismanagement of a transgender character, especially as Naoto is not transgender. The issues she faces are readily apparent-and none of the issues have to do with gender dysphoria or transgenderism. It is tragic that you write, "none of Naoto's issues would be solved" and that "they [her issues] would be worsened" if she accepted herself when _acceptance of herself would be (and indeed was) the _*_only_*_ detail that eliminated all of these issues_ . Please do not write "him" in reference to Naoto; she is female.
SYLIIC I think Naoto's issue is a bit different from that. This isn't about Naoto being a man in a woman's body. Naoto simply wants to be seen as man so she won't be belittled by those around her for being a woman. She also believes that she can never truly be the detective she wants to be as a woman. She is a woman at heart but it's pressure from others and herself that's making her not want to be one. These issues, while similar, don't fall under the same umbrella. Especially as Naoto is not transgender. "You were never male to begin with." The operation, while alluding to transgender procedures, actually refers to Naoto's 'disguise'. She wears male clothing and compresses her chest. She hasn't actually become a man. Further evidence exists in the Dancing games that this is what Naoto wants, as she's wearing clothing that makes her feminine figure more pronounced than before. She is now very comfortable in her own body. That's not to say if you truly feel that are a man or a woman and you are not that you shouldn't go through such a procedure or that pressure should prevent you from doing what you believe is right for you. It's just this is not Naoto's issue. In a way, it's the reverse. Pressure isn't making Naoto remain a woman, it's making her want to be seen as a man in spite of what she might really want.
Parker Peters Naoto didn’t suffer from gender dysphoria, she was just influenced by media into thinking good detectives have to be men. Do not compare her issue with transgenderism.
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Kanji on the outside: "He's not a guy?"
Kanji on the inside: "I'M NOT GAY, WOOOOOO!"
Everyone else: ...We're still gonna assume you are anyway.
Kanji: Aw man.
Satan Maizono 😂😂😂
oml your profile pic tho
Rambler lol 😂😂😂
I thought the director confirmed Kanji is Bi.
Naoto is a detective, both her parent's were killed, and she was raised by an elderly man
Naoto is female Batman
So batgirl
That's Barbara Gordon.
Very happy bat man (bro bat man is super sad and depresive you can have a asshole live but you still happyer than bat man )
she is batwoman
joker from persona: (・-・;)
Naoto: Don't worry I won't let her bother me
*Literally 2 minutes later*
Naoto: KHDLHXHLLYDDLDS YOU AREN'T ME
Jim Phoenix in every dungeon the victim always have a low iq
Can you imagine Kanji crying in his bed for what Naoto's shadow told
her
I don't think she ever said that. She only said "That's not true" but didn't finish the boss fight ritual.
@@rageleague188 and with that, the shadow needed some time to get into her nerves, at some point that KANJI! The most stupid in the group, have time to think how he can hold Naoto to say the magical boss words, but have even more time to think how she will live worried if he do so, meanwhile the others are like
Shadow: *mean thing*
Anyone: YOU ARE NOT ME!
Naoto's shadow is unique from other shadows in the way that it is almost entirely reasonable. Besides the fact that the shadow is brutally confrontational, they speak as equals.
"There's no avoiding first principles. Admit that you're a child, and admit that there's nothing you can do about it."
...thats not unreasonable. Naoto is 15. The shadow very pointedly tells her what she needs to change, and is fair about it.
"They made you cry, didnt they? Yet here you are, mimicking those same men. What exactly are you trying to justify?"
She's right. Mimicking the jerks that marginalised her wont give her what she wants: Acceptance.
The body-modification idea and taunting her because of her own childish tendencies to justify isolation are a bit extreme, but otherwise, even Naoto's most negative aspect is looking for solutions, as opposed to solely validation like the other shadows.
+Gibus Edgeless Shirogane's shadow was always my favourite. All members of the investigation team have multiple, deeply rooted problems, but only shadow Shirogane truly displayed this in my opinion, cleverly behaving less like one and more like two to capture more of Shirogane. It switches between who she perceives herself to be to who she desires to be, helping to capture exactly who she is and how she feels. The secret base themed area also helps a great deal, not only capturing the whole "You're only a child," thing but also in a way symbolising how secretive she is about this whole thing, and that's brilliant in my opinion. I'm sure the others did a good job too, but this is the best I've seen so far.
you can also tie it to the fact she specializes in both light and darkness(with a touch of almighty and stat buffing)
This sounds incrediblystupid to ask, but does body modification mean sex change?
Nich White Yes. It’s not explicitly stated as such, but “body modification surgery” to “cross the barrier between sexes” makes it pretty damn obvious.
Shadow Naoto is the most intelligent Shadow, what with the ACTUAL STRATEGY!!
4:52 it’s confirmed Naoto isn’t a guy or a girl she’s buzz lightyear
so it's a guy then
unless buzz lightyear is an attack helicopter or something
Thomas Strohl yes he is.
he is an attack helicopter
he is a toy
TheLazyAlien “ *she’s* buzz light year “
Y O U A R E A T O Y ! ! !
Fun fact: naoto was planned to be a guy who was mistaken a lot for being a girl but was changed to a girl but the fact that people mistook her for the opposite gender still remained
Cesar Vera, that’s why I like her character design, she looks cool in boys clothing, and she looks cute when she wears female clothing
Thanks, I didn't know that. It makes the beginning of the confrontation really interesting then: like the 1st draft was for the revelation to be: "Naoto has a childish view of what it means to work in/alongside law enforcement and the motivations of the people who do," and then the final draft was: "Most of that is still true, which is within Naoto's ability to control, but it's compounded by the 'just-barely-unspoken' sexism in law enforcement generally and Japan in particular, which is outside of Naoto's control." It's hard to say which is ultimately more apropos to the story's central theme of "How People View Themselves is Influence by How Their Society Views Them, Even When They Factually Know Better," as the Male Naoto could have turned into a brutal takedown of the shota stories that make up the bulk of Pop Japanese Fiction. On the other hand, Female Naoto addresses the more subtle nuances of sexism that have no easy resolutions. Laws and oversight don't necessarily correct people's preconceived biases, especially when they're reinforced by such thorough idolization of certain archetypes. Naoto's shadow even tells her that none of her personal heroes, at least within her desired profession, are women.
it was the reverse with Teddie.
Stop talking about me
Naoto Shirogane lmao
Lol, I always kinda giggle when I see how extremely small Naoto's initial persona is.
zelpyzelp like a tiny insect
@@KTam853 thats actually the design theme it has a moth or butterfly theme to it
Ikr but it would be even funnier if her persona was huge
@@estheriooo Dancing All Night got you covered.
But the weapon is long and thick.
Kanji - He's not a guy?
Yosuke - SO KANJI'S DUNGEON DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE!
Ren Yuzu it has to do with him liking cute things
@@Eduardo-mz6cr and of the fact that his hobbies are really feminine, which partly made him question his sexuality too.
His dungeon exists because he thinks no one accept him because of what people think of him or what he does, he just want to be accepted for who he is.
Um...Kanji’s isn’t exactly about homosexuality, but rather, expectations on men and definition of masculinity.
Kanji: looks at Yosuke then slaps him in the back of the neck
man, out of all the shadows, naoto's has to be my favorite. the way she speaks, and the fact that everything about the situation was well-written enough, not appearing as half-assed or overly cutesy and squishy. i like that a lot
also at 12:31 for some reason, it was chie moving her hand as if she was talking when it was yukiko who actually talked
it's epic
The childish gestures are no mere affectation, they're the TROOTH!
Majestic Chris tooth :D
I am a shadow, the TROO self!
Kiki-0 TR🅾️🅾️TH
Bruh
You can't handle the twooth
every time teddie says Bearsona I automatically think: “🅱️ERSONA”
damn you.
Now I'm gonna think that.
ლ(ಥ Д ಥ )
🅱️e🅰️rs🅾️n🅰️
🅱️🅴🆁🇸🅾️🇳🅰️
🅱️🅴🅴🆁🇸⭕🇳🅰️
🅱️Ⓔ🅰︎🇷 ᔕㄖክ🅰️
I also like how this scene sort of confirms that to an extent, somebody doesn't have to specifically say "You're not me" in order for a Shadow to take it's true form. Chie calls out to try to prevent Naoto from saying that, but even then she already believes it fully and that's enough for Naoto's Shadow to fully take form.
Same goes for Mitsuo
also teddie didn't directly accept his did he
Interesting that Naoto apparently had no trouble at all putting up with her Shadow when alone, but the moment other people enter the room to witness this scene, Shadow Naoto suddenly goes hard mode on her.
It probably realised “There are others in here? If they interfere I cannot commence the operation. No more fooling about: I must resort to the cold hard truth.”
I feel like that's because Naoto herself is probably quite aware of her shadow, probably a good long while before this encounter. Therefore, she's probably quite used to it and knows how to at the very least get it to shut up. But when a bunch of people that are strangers to you, are suddenly exposed to that side of you, it would freak anyone out.
@@bluebird1914 agreed. She's self-aware at most of her problems, she's just not ready for others to see that part of her
It actually kinda confuses me that she still dies if you miss the deadline but shsushshs
because shadow naoto reading some strobg energy on the investigation team
I liked how up until 4:08 Naoto was trying to keep up her facade of being a male by continuing to deepen her voice until she was pushed too far by her shadow self she just throws it all to the wind.
18:32 man adachi is such a nice man. He really cares for yu and his family. I hope he doesn’t get hurt at the end
This didn't age well lol, too bad nanakos the killer
actually, he's on air in p4 arena again, before that, dojima still visited him in prison many times, he is not in a bad relationship with dojima family including yu, he was just the true culprit and he had to be caught
@@Embenefet I thought yumi was the killer
it was so sad when Nanako killed him 😢
Yu and the Dojima's probably the only people Adachi actually cares about, even if he'd try to deny it if pressed.
I love that Kanji already got the idea of how this is going to go and just says to get on with it. I can never stop loving that guy. XD
Naoto's Shadow: "After all, I am Yu"
Yu: No you're not
cringy, but excellent pun. you have my respect
Who are you?
@@mikhohardiman1916 Jack Frost
Yu is blind!
I thought about that, but didn't piece it together 😂
Shadow Naoto: *Where did I leave my operation equipment?!*
Yukiko: 7:26
Shadow Naoto: Kthx.
Princess Lucina ii
trash on the enternet
She summons her persona "It's over"
She attacks "There"
Lol
?
I love the fact Kanji was the one trying to help Naoto progress the most. Not saying the others didn't want it but he certainly knew that it would only get better if she just dealt with the shadow on her own. And then at the end, as he said just kick the shadow's ass.
Considering Sae from Persona 5 had to deal with sexism like Naoto mentioned. Kinda see why she had issues.
I was like..."and then Sae came..."
gaming
gaming
gaming
gaming
i like how you made the characters looks like agents from the FBI
FBI OPEN UP
@@mannehysisay1789 You just have to make that joke.... 😑 (I'm LiTeRaLlY LaUgHiNg RiGhT nOw, SeNd HeLp 😂)
Casual Username, why does your profile pic look like a Phalinks from Pokemon Sword and Shield?
FBI ?? what ? they look more like agent of the MIB even the glasses were on !
They Are TIB
Teen
In
Black
Naoto: *Tells everyone her back story*
Yu: You impress me, your parents must be so proud of you
....
Naoto didnt say "YOU ARE NOT ME"
But Shadow Naoto doesn't like Kanji. XD
+Thomas Strohl But shadows need to hear the host say "YOU ARE NOT ME" to gain the power to transform and become individual.
+-discontinued-
Not those words specifically, note what Kanji said to his Shadow 'There's no way in hell that you're me!'. it's not the words, just the action of denying the Shadow.
HOLY SHIT
Yeah the shadow said YOU ARE ME or something like that
and then naoto said THATS NOT TRUE
That's basically the same as YOURE NOT ME XD
Shadow Naoto: To infinity, and beyond!
Ooh! Awesome idea!
Adachi would be Zerg. XD
Kanji: Finally I defeated Zerg!
I'm honestly surprised that the crew didn't figure out initially that Naoto was a woman. That was what I thought when I first saw her.
ShadowStar1997 me too but then i was like”no way it must be the voice”
ShadowStar1997 the voice gave it away but in the animation it’s kinda not obvious
When you watch/play subbed , the jp va does a lot better job at hiding it since her voice work both way , in dub it just too obvious
Its weird but I can't remember what I thought
@@islemtrabelsi8369 But then you play dancing all night and naoto has very womanly curves and then you're confused.
"You know the problems it could cause if something happened, right? *Like, if it happened you were mixed up in it,* we'd be real worried" Gives me chills every time.
If you completed the game, u know that comment it means a lot.
18:15 ...That's not the only thing you killed Adachi
DeepSeaLugia SHHHHhHHHHHH
Fuck you
Thanks for the spoiler
DoN't WoRrY nAnAkO
@@diogenes26 game came out around fucking 2010 how do you not know
I love how out of everyone in the room, Kanji is the most level-headed in the situation, especially out of personal experience.
when I saw the first scene of this boss, the fact that Naoto is lonely and wants company and yet rejects giving company to her shadow and even talks badly of her shadow(ie herself) just fucked with my heart so bad. I wasn't expecting the childish sounding shadow either so that doubled down on my heart strings.
At 18:28 Adachi puts strange emphasis on "if you were mixed up in it"--I don't know if that was a conscious decisions by JYB, but looking back on it now it sounds a little suspicious in a delicious way.
It's a way to foreshadow his status as the killer. They gave him subtle dialogues
She’s the culprit and he’s onto her
"He's not a guy? So I'm not gay?"
Kanji, if you are still attracted to Naoto, then you're bi. If you're not anymore, you're gay.
@@demi-femme4821 false
supre977 I think it’s correct
If you liked her when you perceived her as a “boy” and still like her when you now know she is a girl, you are bi.
-or pansexual-
@@demi-femme4821 Think more pansexual since he liked Naoto regardless of knowing her gender.
He's not guy? So I'm lesbian
I love the small detail that all the character portraits on the status bar on the right side of the screen are looking upwards in Persona 4, but look downwards in Persona 3.
Oh, that's good
Everyone With Their Shadow : NOOOOOOOOOOO
Naoto with her shadow : Let's Talk For A While
I mean, we could evade the bossfight if the crew could have some tea and cookies for a formal talk.
@@franconunez925 In an ideal world yeah, but these are all people who have a lot of issues with themselves. Also, if your deepest issues were just revealed in front of a group of strangers, would you not be uncomfortable and deny it? Sure with Yukiko for instance, Chie was there, but even then, having a secret that you didn't want to tell someone just suddenly being told to that person would cause anyone to react like that.
I love how her voice gets higher through the dialogue!
4:31 The most badass line from a shadow before transforming into a boss
M.I.P. Men in Persona. Cause...their costume.
yeah like they are the FBI
M.I.B. 2.0 now known as Men in Persona
MIB - Men In Bearsuits
THAT_GERBIL_KID lol
to me, it's like Kingsman: Izanami's Awakening
Shadow Naoto is Persona’s definition of a smart video game boss, not only when it comes to knowledgeability (since the real deal has her fair share of smarts), but also when it comes to adapting to the player’s fighting style.
I still love that unlike in past dungeons where the victim is begging their shadow to stop by the time you get to them, naoto is just like "ah, took you long enough"
Just as Kanji represents ambiguous sexuality/bisexuality, Naoto represents ambiguous gender. The thing about both of them is that it doesn’t matter what box you put them in or label them, they are what they are. Does Kanji’s sexuality change whether Naoto is male or female? No...because she’s ambiguous. It just means Kanji likes people who look and act like Naoto does lol which is both male and female at the same time. It’s very complex...and very compelling
In truth, Kanji just wanted some acceptance from others, while Naoto was a case study on self-acceptance.
While I agree with Kanji's sexuality being ambiguous, you do realize that Naoto's whole deal wasn't that she wants to be a man, or identifies as one. But rather, that she pretends to be one because that's the only way she is able to succeed in her workplace. Therefore, making Naoto an actual man would change her entire arc.
@@bluebird1914 Maybe I didn't make that clear, but yes, that's what I was trying to say. Naoto's story arc is about the physical expression of gender, a different discussion from Kanji's, but their stories influence each other. Naoto's arc was not about sexual attraction or inner confusion, but rather about being seen for her keen mind, and, to that end, floats between the binaries of male and female (which makes her ambiguous, because on first glance you would accept her as either male or female). Kanji represented sexual ambiguity (attraction) and Naoto represented ambiguous gender (which is entirely about outer appearance and presentation, not the inner self). TLDR I think we're on the same page :D
That damn cry, I mean shit, even her shadow makes me want to protect her, best girl confirmed
I like how the group was like "nooo don't say you're not me" when Naoto literally started the convo with "You wear the same face as me... It's as if you're implying we're implying we're one and the same. But the difference between me and you is..." like it's so funny that the fight didn't start right then and there
I love the way Naoto says "Iiiiii am a shadowwww."
4:09 Naoto's true voice coming through.
11:54 *Shadow Yukiko crying in the background*
Also HUGE sick burn on societal prejudice there. That one hit way closer to home than I would've liked.
Andrew Smith also 11:03 *Shadow Kanji crying in the background*
+Dragon Ball Gap what does it mean???
+Dragon Ball Gap ooh, so "crying in the background" is some kind of proverb..
Yosua Nabara Shadow Yukiko "Cried on the background" because Naoto wanted to do EXACTLY what she opposed to with all her strength
+Mr. TeM yeah i get that, its just at first i thought the shadow is literaly crying..
I like Naoto's story here.
This game hits the hardest topics with it's main theme, and even though I never played the game, the anime gave me a good idea of the things this game talks about
Shadow naoto : you’re a girl !
Kanji : I’m not gay...*I’M NOT GAY GUYS !*
Reading this with their voices in mind has made this comment even funnier.
Clap, clap. Give a round of applause for this is a moment of celebration.
SOUND THE HORN
The shadow sounds like the mom from my life as a teenage robot
The Magic Blade XJ9 with that weird but funny accent
The Magic Blade Fuck, I miss that show.
Naoto Shirogane is not just my Favourite Persona Character, but also one of my favourite Video Game characters.
"Are you sick of yourselves too?"
I'd rather not go through any procedures if you're the one conducting it.
Here comes the men in black
Interesting how Naoto had such an inferiority complex over being a female in a male-oriented occupation, yet Chie is easily able to decide she wants to join the same field by becoming a police officer. Could it be because of Naoto that she doesn't see her gender as an obstacle?
Man...it's a good thing Naoto was never on Tumblr...the SJWs there would have her convinced that being a female detective is a hopeless cause.
What's an SJW?
@@chaos_blue1089 Social Justice Warrior
I don't really know what it means tbh
@@kleinn7659 oh ok thx
FireMinstrel I think it has to do more with her age sence that was brought up more than gender
Tristan Wong be happy that you don’t know about either them or their counterparts and the childish war between both of them. No matter what you watch, one side will always feel offended and so the bullshit war keeps going on
3:08 Everybody's reaction, "WHAT THE FUUUU...?!?!?"
4:30 - Kanji may have a crush on you, but never insult a man who can punch his own Shadow 😂
I was waiting for this confrontation. I wanted to see how a highly intelligent person talks to their shadow. It's great the shadow is just as intelligent as Naoto herself. I thought that Naoto wouldn't immediately fall for emotional manipulation, and she doesn't at first. But the shadow, having equal intellect, knows how to build a case, how to build an argument and use that to tear down Naoto's logic so that she can get to the heart of the matter and get Naoto to reject her.
I love her so much. And kanji so in love with her
Lisa Oppa *shipping intensifies*
better than guy that simping with a robot
lol Chie's persona is a sith
firepokemon2014 you should see her ultimate persona, she looks like Chie's original persona but has a black and white colour scheme
Red Kyber crystals are conduits for the Dark Side...
Well she did accept her true self, even the dark side (;
I wish every boss fight ended with them hugging their shadows. I just think that'd be really sweet.
I'm glad that the original P4 anime gone the extra mile and give us one with Yukiko's Shadow.
The anime had a better voice. Here its debatable whether Naoto is male or not. In the anime she has a deeper voice making a bit more believable that she is a guy.
Shaney Zamora and in the anime I had nightmares from shadow Naoto :)
yeah
She turned into Dr N Gin!!!
OH MY GOD lol
OMG XD
Or Buzz Lightyear with guns
Crash Bandicoot Reference? Crash Bandicoot reference.
N Gine.
EngiaaaAAAAAARRRRGGGHHHH
I remember introducing my friend to persona 4 then when he sent me a picture of Naoto saying he looks cool I was like
"Yeah, HE is pretty cool I guess"
16:33 the way yu sits straight down lmao
Easily one of the better fights in the game simply because she doesn’t take forever to defeat.
Am I the only one who thinks it's slightly amusing how Chie keeps bouncing around during battle?
If she doesn’t keep limber, she can’t Galactic Punt Golden Hands into the sun in battle now, can she?
her beta Battle idle animation is showed in game intro of p4 Vannila
yep i guess thats her beta Combat idle animation
"We caught the bad man" - The bad man
that dude went out without his shoes on...
Shoes are arranged near the door, when you enter, you take them off and put them by the door. When you leave, you slip them on and keep walking
yeah
Nanako's tension is so high at the end of this video it's almost heart stopping.
I just realized naoto never says the "You're not me!" line
*12:58** , NAOTO ISN'T TRANS.*
FACTS
Correct
Das fax
Tell that to those pushing that she is.
Fuck what da game said
18:19 The mood isn't the only thing you've killed, Adachi.
Hey, I'm surprised you went with the full team.
Naoto is the only boss with Kunino-Sagiri that I did with only Yu and a reflecting Persona(phys reflect for Naoto(Rangda) and lots of elemental repels for Kunino-Sagiri).
Doing it with the whole team felt like more of a hassle to me. But I was playing P4, not P4G. Is the fight different here?
its a lot easier in p4 golden
I'm curious as to what would happen if a person just up and accepted their shadow. Would the boss fight never happen?
Probably, yeah
Thomas Martinez yes
Kuro shii but Futaba is in persona 5 so it doesn’t work the same
@@KTam853 Well, we can still use her as the model for that hypothetical scenario (although, it certainly helped that the repressed thoughts that formed Shadow Futaba were positive.)
Doesn’t yu accept himself right away? Or he had nothing to hid to start with?
14:08 I am thou, thou art I. Thou have accepted thy true self. I am Sukuna-Hikona, god of medicine.
Teddie's summon attacks are so cute!!!
Naoto and Kanji's shadow hits hard for me really
Coming here just to see chie in her non-stop-moving battle animation
and cute naoto-
I remember when I first played through this game with my friend. He kept insisting Naoto was a guy even when I was sure she wasn’t. After Mitsuo’s dungeon, he mentioned something about doing HER dungeon. I got him to clarify that he was talking about Naoto, then told him his mistake. He was pretty mad at himself, but I was already sure that was the case
Liked the video for the costumes they re wearing! Men In Black
I was thinking Turks but that works too lol.
+-discontinued- Final fantasy 7 reference? They're the secret service either way
+-discontinued- I'm going to say none of the above. I was asking if it was a reference to final fantasy 7.
Shadow Naoto - serious and killer INSPECTOR GADGET !!!
Look at all these poor zoomers who completely misinterpreted Kanji and Naoto’s characters
17:52 Dojima is clearly on the wrong side of the tracks
When Kanji realized he wasn't gay,
He didn't realize that there are now girls who might be.
2:55
Imagine the controversy this would have been if the game was released nowadays.
Yeah because it fucking sucks
A shame, such a good scene. Never really put it all together when I was a kid but when I played the PC re-release I was able to grasp the themes the game has
Gender doesn’t matter it never has and it never will.
The only way to ever be happy is to learn to accept yourself.
This game has the right idea.
Everybody gangsta till the Men in Black fight Shadow Naoto
Man astro boy sure looks different from how l remember him
I KNEW IT HIS VOICE SOUNDED TOO FEMININE
*Pastel Pastries* her*
Her voice.
I already spoiled it for myself before even playing the boss. 😛.
Shadow Naoto: female Inspector Gadget...
No way. Gadget is a moron(even though that's why the show is so funny). If anything, Shadow Naoto is more like an evil Penny.
Shadow naoto is such a child
That's... kinda the point
Just furthers the point!
Man Naoto’s shadow really has to work for it.
Here come the mib
Sukona hikona: smol
Sukona hikona's sword: bigger than the chance Yu is a chad
2:16 Ummm... ever read Miss Marple Naoto?
Then again she's probably only grew up with Japanese detective novels which are obviously lacking in female ace detectives so it wouldn't be out of possibility.
they were classic novels, novels where female detectives were rare.
@@lily_the_bird Ummm could you reread your sentence please? It is way to vague for me to give a proper answer.
Damn if only Naoto knew about Miss Marple. But even then, Poirot is the more famous one, and I've not seen many people that aren't big fans of crime mysteries talking about Marple's stories, so I guess not much changes at the end of the day
@@joaoassumpcao3347 It has come to my attention that there is an anime based on Poirot and Marple tales and it ran between 2003 and 2004, it is also apparently quite accurate to the source material...
The anime version was better. The voice sounded a lot more like a guy and it was a lot more sinister. This one really sounds like a girl and sound very dramatic rather than scary.
Shaney Zamora I think her sounding like a girl really proves the point though since the shadow is trying to get Naoto to accept that she is a girl.
I hated her anime voice.
The anime was better simply because the entire bloody thing went up in nuclear fire. Everything else is secondary.
In the Anime Narukami is op. He summoned Beelzebub (a lvl +70 persona) not at the finish of the game.
Cant believe she wears full on riot gear in the anime
Why is this the most relatable shadow in the game fuck being alone
a love the music in this game 😸
Who doesn't?
I do like how shadow naoto looks like a toy,playing again into the whole child wanting to grow up thing
Although her shadow still got the best of naoto, i like the fact that naoto was the one who had been more composture with all that conversation
For any of those who have trouble identifying themselves in modern day society, just remember, you don't have to go through surgery or hormone treatment to change who you biologically are. Just follow Naoto's example and face yourself, accept it, and move forward.
The reason why people go through hormones and sex reassignment is to alieviate gender dysphoria though. The whole reason why trans people exist is because their brain developed one way, and their body developed another way in the womb. and frankly, it's easier to change your body than to change your brain's entire wiring and chemical composition. Being transgender is not a choice, simply put, and transgender people are alieviated from the side effects of being developed wrong in the womb through transitioning. Women and men are treated differently, and identifying as the opposite gender, while being treated as your birth gender fucks you up big time mentally. People perceive you as someone that you aren't, and it's awful. Simply put, no. Do not condone the writing of naoto. It's piss poor writing on trans people. Albiet that this game was made in the early 2000s, and trans related information was not available as readily as it is now, but that doesn't excuse the fact that it's mismanagement of a transgender character. If this were a real situation, none of naoto's issues would be solved. In fact, they would be worsened. Accepting the fact you are born female is one thing, but denying yourself a means to feel at ease with both your body and society is a complete different thing, and his shadow probably would have went haywire and killed him.
@@syliic934 It is not at all mismanagement of a transgender character, especially as Naoto is not transgender. The issues she faces are readily apparent-and none of the issues have to do with gender dysphoria or transgenderism.
It is tragic that you write, "none of Naoto's issues would be solved" and that "they [her issues] would be worsened" if she accepted herself when _acceptance of herself would be (and indeed was) the _*_only_*_ detail that eliminated all of these issues_ .
Please do not write "him" in reference to Naoto; she is female.
Please do not act like you care, Parker Peters.
SYLIIC
I think Naoto's issue is a bit different from that.
This isn't about Naoto being a man in a woman's body. Naoto simply wants to be seen as man so she won't be belittled by those around her for being a woman. She also believes that she can never truly be the detective she wants to be as a woman. She is a woman at heart but it's pressure from others and herself that's making her not want to be one.
These issues, while similar, don't fall under the same umbrella. Especially as Naoto is not transgender. "You were never male to begin with."
The operation, while alluding to transgender procedures, actually refers to Naoto's 'disguise'. She wears male clothing and compresses her chest. She hasn't actually become a man.
Further evidence exists in the Dancing games that this is what Naoto wants, as she's wearing clothing that makes her feminine figure more pronounced than before. She is now very comfortable in her own body.
That's not to say if you truly feel that are a man or a woman and you are not that you shouldn't go through such a procedure or that pressure should prevent you from doing what you believe is right for you.
It's just this is not Naoto's issue. In a way, it's the reverse. Pressure isn't making Naoto remain a woman, it's making her want to be seen as a man in spite of what she might really want.
Parker Peters Naoto didn’t suffer from gender dysphoria, she was just influenced by media into thinking good detectives have to be men. Do not compare her issue with transgenderism.
Shadow Naoto keeps making Joker Robot noises.
how can you be an ideal man when you are not a male to begin with?