Some things I wanted to talk about: 1. The AT-TE's armor may be all well and good for infantry based energy weapons, but not all weapons in the Star Wars universe are energy based. For example, the majority of the AAT's weapons are either kinetic or chemical, only the auxiliary guns are energy based. 2. I don't think the AT-TE could crouch to the side to allow the mass driver additional gun depression with how the middle leg articulates, but if it could, it would render the AT-TE either near or completely immobile. A much easier solution would be to simply make the mass driver turret bigger to allow the gun to depress more. 3. I noticed in the Clone Wars movie that the AT-TE seemed to dig into the cliff a bit, but I don't buy that as being plausible either. The prongs on the feet are much too smooth and shallow to hold any weight while climbing vertically.
How about reviewing Planetside 2 tanks? There is 4 of them: -Lightning (light tank) -Prowler(Terran Republic MBT) -Vanguard(New Conglomerate MBT) -Magrider( Vanu Sovreignthy MBT) For a game taking place in the 27th century it has pretty conventional design for tanks(execpt the magrider which uses spacemagicwitchcraft...)
Plus u forget to bring up the speed of AAT, it can literally do donuts around the AT-TE, and the rockets are meant for engaging multiple enemies independent of the main gun, as for depression, the main gun is meant for either long range or area that the vehicle is not facing, hence if a armored tank got close, rocket will finish it oof, and anything lighter will be picked of by the twin blasters mounted on the side.
Thank god you commented this 😅 I was about to come in here and flame you. You do have to consider that the armor is probably made out of some advanced material because of how advanced the Star Wars universe is. Other than that, you right.
1:30 "So they could be deployed to planets without atmosphere" Anakin Skywalker, who used them to board an enemy frigate: "I'm four parallel universes ahead of you"
@@DimoB8 I always wondered why there arent ships covered in small walkers to work as more mobile turrets/boarding vehicles, especially based on how they do so much damage to the separatist ships in that episode
John Sanders something like that does get used in episode 3 when you see the Banking clan frigate get 1 shotted it’s actually the laser artillery from episode 2 inside the Venator that does it.
I think the reason why the AAT has droid crew members instead of being a droid itself was because those tanks were in intended for organic crew members. Later in the war we some all droid vehicles like the gunship and the snail tank.
The AT-TE’s “toes” can be articulated into foot spikes like cleats to improve traction on slick terrain like smooth rock, which is what it uses to climb the cliff on Teth
If anything, they had too MANY of them. They had quantity, what they lacked was quality. Imagine if instead of the OOM or B1, the B2 Super Battle Droid or, better yet, BX Commando Droid were the primary infantry used by the CIS.
@@arnowisp6244 That's only true if what you have a lot of is even a bit effective to begin with, and the B1 and OOM, while perfectly sufficient for cowing planetary defense forces into submission like at Naboo, are completely out of their league against a large, professional, well-equipped military force like the GRA, despite enormous numerical superiority (and that's before you factor in the force multiplier provided by Jedi leadership). Of course, it could be accurately said that they were never intended to win in the first place.
@@z3r0_35 True, they weren't intended to win battles. They are cannon fodder meant to support the real victory winners (B2s etc.) And provide logistics support etc.
The cockpit for the ATTE always irked me. Lore wise, the 'glass' in the cockpit is supposed to be just a transparent version of that of the hull but is always depicted as glass in any visual medium. Also the fact that the cockpit sticks out from the hull just made it a bigger target with the window being at 90 degrees in stead of slanted like the hull. To fix it, I would suggest something like the droid tank with a small dome, moving the driver and commander back and removing the front troop compartment. Also never new why the gunner for the mass driver cannon could not just be remote controlled from within the hull of at least give the poor trooper a sliding cover to protect him.
Really just make the front troop compartment the crew compartment from which to control the vehicle - quarters could be quite spacious and comfortable for extremely extended engagements.
Transperisteel, yeah. Which is weird since Mace Windu uses the Force to shatter it easily. Maybe thats just Mace Fucking Windu doing his Mace Fucking Windu thing but...
@@KillerOrca "An individual would view an item through the Force, noting where it came together and also noting weak points in its composition. By allowing the Force to surge through them into the weak point, individuals could effectively "shatter" the object, causing it to break into multiple fragments. Because the Force granted supernatural ability to those who were adept in its use, materials thought to be near-indestructible were easily destroyed. Such was the case with Jedi Knight Jaina Solo, who effortlessly shattered a disc of pure Mandalorian iron while practicing the technique under her uncle, Luke Skywalker."
Fun fact: There are indeed nukes in the Star Wars universe, though the faction that I can think of that actually used them would be the Mandalorians during the Old Republic era
Who would even use such a primitive and barbaric weapon. Not to mention sick low yeld explosive wise.. Side note. Nukes are basically left to blowing up rocks is space mining were no one cares about radiation.
@@sethgilcrist8088 Again, Mandalorians. I dont remember which planet it was but during the Mandalorian Wars, they nuked an occupied Old Republic world to show the rest of the galaxy what just what kind of war they were fighting. Far as I remember, the world is still uninhabited even well past the Yuzon Vong invasion. To give some context Taris, a city planet similar to Coruscant, experienced total orbital bombardment by Darth Malicks fleet a few short years later during the Jedi Civil War. It was already a bustling and fairly prosperous by the time of the Galactic Civil War
@@sethgilcrist8088 True enough though Trais is also considered either outer rim outer mid rim. But even then, places like Tatooine keep getting resettled... for some reason
So, some counterpoints 1) The AAT does have a good amount of gun depression, as could be seen in Innocents Of Ryloth of Star Wars The Clone Wars Season 1, though to do this required angling the hull so the gun had space to do so. 2) The AAT in The Phantom Menace that Jar Jar hangs from had a "Booma" dropped into it, which seems to be able to stick to targets in addition to an EMP, potentially disabling more electronics that touch it. It's likely that the stuck Commander Droid touched some controls on his way down, and forced the anti gravity to angle to the side. Recoil is shown in TPM to cause the AAT to back up, but it can counteract the force to return to its original position. Overall this makes imbalance a moot issue, since we see it ably resolving it without fail. 3) The AT-RT's height is greatly justified by its top speed of 75kmh, which is only achieved because of those long legs. Wheels would be more stable, but sacrifice a lot of mobility, and especially a lot of ground clearance (they are shown to be able to jump over obstacles) which is a major advantage to have for the AT-RT as... 4) The AT-RT functions more closely to a self propelled gun than a motorcycle. We see the firepower of an AT-RT can destroy an AAT (Liberty on Ryloth) or light AFVs (Darkness on Umbara). It is very flexible in that role, similar to a jeep towed 37mm of WW2 when the guns were still effective. Finally, just a small nitpick, 5) the AT-RTs do have advanced AI that makes them handle like animals. This is a bit of deep lore though, so if you didn't know then that's fine. Overall though, I did enjoy this video. I hope you could do a video on Droid Fighters, Vultures are my personal favorite vehicles. I also hope you enjoyed making this video, since Star Wars has a rich universe to explore.
tbh a lot of his cons are explained away just through the lore. and also the aat does have a commander and gunner with two droids. if you look through the cut out you will see two different pairs of droids legs, how he didnt see it but 11 year old me did, i have no fucking clue. then again this seems to be a constant issue with him.
@@Thekilleroftanks That's basically starwars for you, making a cool looking design and then explaining all the problems away. Still, it's an effective way to both have cool vehicles and deepen the lore, so I don't mind.
@@DrSabot-A but even then, the AAT does have the two anti-personnel laser cannons if anyone tries to get in front of it. And if that doesn’t work then it could probably just straight up run through them and cook em with the repulsorlifts.
Im pretty sure in Star Wars Lore, the 'glass' canopy on the Walker is actually a form of clear steel. It's the same as they use on the windows of Starships.
The ATTE’s armor isn’t weak, it uses STAR WARS MAGIC™ Energy Dispersing technology, meaning that the energy from blasts is dispersed throughout its hull and the damage is significantly reduced, allowing for thinner armor which reduces stress on its legs and the vehicles that transport it into battle. Also the ATTE isn’t the main battle tank, that goes to the TX-130T fighter tank.
@@KrisHandsome flaws of Mammoth? Suprisingly few. 1)They're comically oversized and overweighted, BUT still air transportable and have no trouble moving on normal roads and over bridges. So they're size is actually acceptable withing universe. 2)they're a big target and very expensive to produce, BUT they have repeatedly shown themselves as both cheaper and more durable option then just building several tanks to get the same number of guns on the target. They're too tanky. Plus inuniverse industry have no problem pumping out thousands of them in short order. 3)they're a big slow target for aviation, BUT ingame we see that they have modest speed compared to other vehicles, good maneuverability, they have their own AA missiles and they can take much more beating then expected. Not to mention all weapons used by aviation in games are high precision so smaller targets aren't saved by neither size, nor speed. 4) _it with its gramps Apocalypse tank had popularized quad track drive that Scorpion stole. Suprisingly it allows it to lose a track or even two and still be able to reverse back behind cover._ If I recall right its tracks also aren't single sviwel and have hydraulics to control their position so there's that. 5)twin cannon. Unlike all IRL example it had separate autoloader for both. Drawbacks: -It has good ammo options as it is shown being effective against infantry too even with railgun version and secondary missiles, it lacks even something as basic as dedicated machinegun though. Ugly Overlord says hello. - No active protection system. It's very durable, but that one would have helped. Paladin says hello. Not to mention all the possible design fuckups as most detailed version we've seen was in Renegade. I don't recall if Tiberium had one. There's also one in Renegade X, but it's fanmade. Versions in RTS games is too small to easily notice details and it's comically boxy to make it easy to tell apart from other units.
@@razortheonethelight7303 yes, and he even states that it would be more effective with an advanced AI allowing it to move and balance like an animal, which it does.
Also B1-Battle droids aren’t the AAT commander/gunner that role was dedicated to the smarter 00M commander droid, which also piloted the tank as well. Also those two turrets on the sides of the AAT are manned by those two droid gunners at either side of the tank. The pilot has two small front anti infantry blasters fixed to the hull at the very front. The AAT isn’t made exclusively for the CIS like most of the CIS’s early forces, it wasn’t until the Middle of the Clone Wars when the CIS deployed its deadly droid machines such as the Buzz-Droids, Tri-fighters, and HMP gunships. The AAT wasn’t exclusively made for the Trade Federation, as they were also sold to private defense forces and planetary militaries.
You've got it the other way around, the OOMs were the older, dumber model that required remote control from a mainframe to operate efficiently (or even at all in some cases, like at Naboo). The B1 was an upgrade to the OOM that gave it a degree of autonomy, the problem being that Baktoid cheaped out on the hardware to the point where any sudden change to their operational instructions was too much for them to handle (this along with the OOM's reliance on a central mainframe were also deliberate decisions because the Trade Federation was wary of letting their droids think too much and potentially mutiny). Doing this often enough resulted in each droid developing different behavioral quirks as well.
Z3r0_ The 00M battledroids were better at multitasking than the B1 due to their more specialized nature as the B1 was a generic droid with lots of different programming quirks that arose from their independence from a main computer.
@@MDPToaster B1s don't shut down if cut off from their control signal though. OOMs do...which doesn't make sense unless it's a failsafe (which is probably the case - the Nemoidians running the Trade Federation were VERY worried about the possibility of losing control of their droids), otherwise they'd just follow whatever their last set of programmed instructions are, then stop.
@@z3r0_35 youre missing his point. yes oom did have to connect to a mainframe, but we arent talking about the basic troops but the commander units which didnt have that flaw and as such continued to be used well past the clone wars after the vast majority of mainframes were shutdown because again, didnt connect to a mainframe to receive commands. they themselves were the commanders.
@@z3r0_35 I'm a bit late to the party but there is only a single source in canon that states that the OOM was the predecessor to the B1. Most others say the OOM was a variant of the B1 that had more autonomy and a better processor to allow it to function in specialized roles such as officer or security. So in all likelyhood your information about the B1 and OOM is incorrect.
I imagine the AT-TE functions more like an APC to the clones than an actual tank. Something like the Saber would be more akin to a MBT. The Juggernaut would probably more resemble a type of mobile assault platform like the scarab from halo.
Ya forgot to mention the ATTE could hold enough rations and air to last the whole crew and troops for up to 3 weeks. And the armor was very strong and good at dispersing energy when struck. Some flaws to the armor were the belly of the tank and the joints.
@@SerinaDeMadrigal their suits takes care of those issues. literally like wearing a dipper, just shit and piss anywhere you like the suit will take care of it all. kinda fucked up but then again, the republic thought of the clones as lesser than human, and some alien species....
@@MistahFox fun fact, the turret is remote controlled, just not well so they have a manual gunner for most instances, because the thing isnt a front line tank its a support tank. and the front cockpit has effectually more armour than any other bits of the tank. hence why its very bold in its design, they kinda want the thing to be hit. and adding coverage to the bottom would be both A) pointless because again not an mbt, and B) stupid because the thing is already slow youre now doubling the armour for the ability to not get destroyed by stepping on mines which mind you almost never used.
@@MistahFox He mentioned the legs as weaknesses but it's quite the opposite. Thoose legs can climb up vertical cliffs and stick to the hull of spaceships. You can't achieve that with tracks or wheels.
Actually yes, AT-RT has some kind of system to ride through rough terrain, because that is its usage: high speed scout for rough terrain that speeders can't pass.
They really so dumb, devs of those droids were afraid of AI uprisings (as did IG-88), so they made them stupid for reason. But i really dont understand why you need a such stupid AI then
@@Paciat Yeah but they're usually supported by massive logistics networks with multiple replacement components available. Their ATTE was looked after by nothing more than a handful of PTSD suffering clones holding it together with string and duct tape.
@@nicholaswalsh4462 Also technically the ones in naboo were the oom series, wich were conected to a mainframe and thus far more efficient than the clankers in comanding and coordinating vehicles.
@@rocket_sensha4337 yes and from what I've gathered in looking at the lore, the Clone Wars really put the kibosh on using automation. There was also the Katana Fleet but Disney made that non-canon so I don't know how useful that might be.
@@nicholaswalsh4462 the cis didn't say no to ready avaliable manned vehicles they could cram a b1 inside. But were they really pushed their money and shinned was automated vehicles. The hyena bombers , vulture fighter, tri fighters and the HMP gunships all were scary on how could effective they were. Then there was also the manta and squid droids (forgot name) wich also served their purpose well. And then the magna walker , spider , crab droids and even droidekas were pretty impresive aswell.
@@valhalanguardsman2588 in said scene the clones are using grappling hooks on their rifles to scale the cliff. Why wouldn't using a harpoon and a winch not work for the walker? The entire point of a winch is to pull a vehicle out or over difficult terrain.
@@rays5073 well thats the point, its easy for clones to use harpones, but like how much harder it would be to connect a strong enough winch to carry the WHOLE at te?
benjamin1359870 nope. But unlike repulsor lift technology they can't be jammed/disrupted remotely. They also make relatively stable observation posts if you want to sit at a little elevation and watch a road through a pair of binoculars for hours. And the gun is more accurate and powerful than that on your average speeder bike. I'm not saying they are great. But they are being sold a little short here.
@@AlanGChenery If you want elevation take a bloody drone to watch the terrain they could build droid that fit the purpose. A camera on a pole is a stable observation post for hours, tha't an over engineered solution for something that is hardly a problem. And tracks and wheels can't be jammed either. and even if you keep the leg i think there is a lot of improvment that can be made to reduce the leg size and the profile. And the gun is small and could be fitted on a speeder bike so that's not an argument for the vehicule.
@@benjamin1359870 I can't quite remember what they are, but there's several areas/types of terrain that repulsorlift tech actually can't handle. That'd be a pretty good reason to not have it on a recon vehicle.
The planet in the clone wars movie was said to have high metal content in the rock. If it was all iron ore and the feet magnets we're really strong the at-te could climb it.
4:20 The droid's are capable of commanding and gunning at the same time due to their processors being able to handle it. Said processor is only just able to handle it, however, so they do have comedic (and often idiotic) personalities.
actually the lore reason for idiotic-ness is poor maintenance by some organics. the talking is the overworked processor. and this only applies to B1s. the AAT is crewed by the similar but more advanced OOM-series droids which are as smart as tactical droids (or slightly less smart, depending on sources. the T-series being made mostly for extra durability and as a scam to make more money off the seps)
3:20 You must not have paid attention to the clone wars movie, as the AT-TE begins to move again after almost being blasted off the cliff we can clearly see the walker inbedding the small 'toes' around the walkers feet into the cliff thus allowing it to climb up. You can see it as Captain Rex responds to Anakin whilst scaling the cliff. Don't believe me, look it up.
I used the magnet theory to give it the benefit of the doubt, because it supposedly climbing up just by embedding its feet into the cliff face makes even less sense. Now way are those tiny toes going to be able to support the entire weight of the AT-TE on a sheet cliff.
@@Spookston it can do this do to the number of legs that would be digging into the surface. An the theory makes less sence than the magnets in the feet being attracted to the metal in the cliff.
Suggestions for things you could review: The Rocket Hog (Halo) The Combine Vehicles (Half-Life) The vehicles from Just Cause (Notably the Barvarium ones)
random imperial guard there was like 4 combine vehicles, the gunship, apc, helicopter and another one I can’t think of. I didn’t explain much in my last reply because I was in a hurry.
5:40 I think that the rockets were placed the way they were because in the original script/concept art for the AAT, it was supposed to be a low-flying gunship and the rocket tubes would be used to clear out zones for advancing ground forces, which would make a lot more sense.
The AAT has very good gun depressions actually In the Clone wars [The 212th Free The Twileks] clip where it aims down at Obi Wan right in front of the tank by aiming slightly off of the side of the hull and using the repulser lift for some additional depression. Also it could be possible that AAT's were designed to be manned with "human crew" instead with droids and having to completely redesign them was probably not worth the effort and cost. I also feel like the AT-TE high CG is countered by the two middle legs being offset to the outside making it pritty much unable to topple. Other than that the AT-RT has some crazy agility and speed another clip from TCW where Mace Windu deploys Lightning squadron to take out some AAT's shows that, so the walker having some sort of AI sounds like a good explanation
it was infact designed to be sold on the civilian market (where battle droids were illegal), the trade federation got past this by officially calling their battle droids security troops. hence why no episode 1 tanks are droids themselves, latter they ignored the ban and build tank droids, but seeing no reason to change the AAT
The flaw of AT-TE mass driver turret were emphasized in one Rebel episode, where an AT-TE was stucked inside a terrible weather alongside 3 hostile AT-AT. Instead of simply control the gun from the inside, it was specifically required to have one of the crew manned the gun outside, exposed to the elements.
well the reason the AAT is like that is due to the seperatist army being originally an amalgamation of different corporate armies and navies. this Tank is literally a prime example of corporate "Design by Committee" and was not designed for the B1 series of droids fun fact. but the OOM series security droids(essentially an army of mall cops) who are nearly identical to B1's but are infact networked through the use of orbital assets, namely a luchrehulk transport converted to it's controlship variation. this way the gunner can be commander at the same time. and the reason they didn't just make it a droid? why my friend that would have cost more money
Ok I'm going to be a nerd here but b1 battle droids with yellow stripes are command droid which also are smarter then regular b1 battle droids same with the pilot with its blue stripes
@@tirpitz177 I mean, Clone Wars shows how brain dead all the other droids (not counting the Tactical Droids, damn RTS AI wannabes) are when compared to the Yellows, especially that one that was "promoted" and had to go against Yoda.
@@kabob0077 the B1s do get smarter in later seasons, and only a reltatively small number are ever idiotic, useually just 1 to 3 in a group of hundreds. in the books it explains that the talking is an overworked processor (due to cheap scate leaders) and the idiotic-ness is poor maintenance (hence only happens to a few of them)
So the AAT has a single man turret with an overburdened commander doing double duty as the gunner and a driver who can't see anything. Sounds like Lucas must have used a WW2 French tank as a blueprint.
I think another issue with the AT-TE is what I like to call 'Bradley Syndrome' (anybody who's familiar with 'Pentagon Wars' will know what I'm talking about). It tries to be both a tank and an APC at the same time. It would've been better to make two different variants, an APC with increased transport capacity, and a dedicated tank with better protection and firepower. That said, I will say that it's a better design than the AT-AT that replaced it in most respects, due to a combination of the lower center of gravity and ground pressure and lacking the AT-AT's blind spots to the side and rear thanks to the turret and rear gun emplacements. The only thing the AT-AT has going for it over the AT-TE from a design perspective (and not related to its mass) is that it being higher off the ground makes the fighting compartment all but immune to mines...though this doesn't do jack shit for the legs that have to hold the damned thing up, and if those things go, it's a long drop to the ground... As for the AAT...oddly enough, concept art for the Phantom Menace shows that it was originally supposed to be capable of flying around more like a VTOL aircraft (this was even incorporated into the vehicle's aesthetics, as it was based on the Mi-24V "Hind-D" helicopter gunship). This would also explain the presence of the rocket launchers, which I disagree with about them being 'unnecessary'. Ray shielding against energy weapons is fairly common in the Star Wars universe, and while particle shielding against solid objects is ubiquitous on spacecraft, this is NOT the case for ground vehicles (some had shields, but they drained so much power that could go towards things like propulsion or weapons that it was generally deemed not worth the trouble - static deflector shields covering an entire area were more common), so targets that the main gun might have a hard time cracking could be dealt with using guided missiles. That being said, it might just be better to replace the main gun with one that could also fire kinetic shells if required (in fact iirc the AAT's gun was shown being able to do exactly that in the Clone Wars TV series) and have a few of those in reserve for that purpose, freeing up space at the base of the AAT that could be used for more powerful repulsors to improve mobility and make it a more stable gun platform, among other things. As for why the AAT had a crew, that's probably because it was originally designed for organic crews, which later proved useful in the early days of the Empire for separatist holdouts that found their droids being shut down by the master code broadcast from Mustafar (and in fact, it was intended that the Empire would have repainted AATs in their service in the Star Wars Battlefront games, but they instead got a reskinned TX-130, the Republic's 'medium tank'). Plus there was the fact that despite the overwheming reliance on droids, the CIS DID have organic troops in their ranks, which were actually considered more formidable opponents by the Republic since, while droids could be deployed in huge numbers they were tactically inflexible and not very bright, whereas the CIS' organic troops were usually well trained, highly motivated, and most importantly of all, were usually fighting a defensive war on their home turf. This is what made campaigns like Umbara such a nightmare for the Republic (before you even consider that the Jedi General leading one of the Clone units present was a traitor). Stick a well-trained and experienced organic crew in an AAT and you have a truly terrifying obstacle to overcome. Oh, and there was one more advantage that was left out in the video: in the Phantom Menace, despite the commander being overworked, the AAT was shown to be accurate enough to be able to engage and shoot down starfighters with the main gun (as an unfortunate N1 pilot found out the hard way shortly after taking off). Lastly, there's the AT-RT...which you have to understand is a patrol vehicle by design (it's in the name: All-Terrain *Reconnaissance* Transport) - it's basically a militarized motorcycle on legs instead of wheels. The high profile could actually work in its favor if you're using it as a perimeter patrol vehicle guarding a FOB or some other piece of critical infrastructure, even if it's a liability on the front lines. The leg design, while poor on rough terrain, works just fine on more stable ground, i.e. in a city, which makes it a potentially useful vehicle for occupation forces...if not for the fact that the exposed driver is easy prey for snipers. If I'd been the one building it, I'd probably just do away with the driver altogether and make it a droid with simple IFF protocols that make it engage non-authorized personnel within its designated AO, and deploy it in rear guard roles where its lack of intelligence isn't as much of a liability since it'd basically be a giant mechanical guard dog; this would also warrant a change in designation - I'd go with AT-PO, for All-Terrain Patrol & Occupation. At the front I'd just have the troops use speeder bikes like the BARC or the Z74 that started showing up later in the war.
@@blurglehus7348 I always view the AT-OT as more of a truck than an APC, as its meant rear-line transport duties rather than transport troops on the battlefield.
@@blurglehus7348 But it was also open-topped, leaving its troop compliment vulnerable to the elements and enemy fire. I'm talking about a version with a closed troop compartment, removing the mass driver, and either reducing or redistributing the laser cannons (most likely removing two of the frontal cannons). As for the dedicated tank variant, I'd get rid of the troop and vehicle carrying capabilities entirely and add either more powerful motors to increase its top speed or a shield generator for added protection, plus I'd move the mass driver gunner into the hull and have that weapon be controlled remotely.
not all sources say the droids are inferior in all ways. for one droids (even B1s and OOMs) are supposed to have faster reaction speeds and reflexes then organics, ideally I would have organic platoon and even individual tank commanders, with droid crews and polites and gunners (an OOM shooting down a star fighter with a battle tank is incredible marksmanship). thus getting the reaction times and reflexes of the droids with the tactical flexibility of organics.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 The problem with droids was their tactical inflexibility. Clones were able to outmaneuver droids through improvisation, acting in ways other than how CIS commanders were expecting. Organic troops don't have this issue, and could actually out-think clones because the GAR's troops were bred for compliance (plus they had those inhibitor chips, the significance of which never seemed to dawn on anybody until it was too late), which came at the cost of initiative and imagination (with a few exceptions like the ARCs and Clone Commandos).
1. I loves the Video pls make a Sequel. 2. The AT-TE and AT-RTwere designed after animals so the could be used anywhere since Repulsorlifts werent good for Hills or Rocky envirement. 3. The Cis (the bad guys) were always afraid of Hacking attempts or a droid revolution. Thats why it made more sense to them to make their tanks not independent abd fill it up with B1s. 4. It isnt shown in the picture but Tank Droid B1s also Existed. They had Green Markings
-30% chance to spontaneously combust at any given time (the IS-7s were prone to engine fires) -Due to extremely low production numbers, only one may be deployed per match. -Transmission breaks down if you sneeze in its direction -Can't deploy at all till ten minutes into the match because Soviet infrastructure couldn't support such a heavy vehicle and move it around efficiently (THIS was the main reason it got cancelled, along with most other Russian vehicles weighing more than about 55 tons: weight)
Tbh I can see both clones and droids use those at the start of the war with all those flaws for 2 reasons: - kaminoans are good at cloning but thats it, they were also tasked with arming clones with their weapons, armor and designing/ordering their vehicles(we can see for example that most clones who didn't like phase 1 armor did it because it was cumbersome) - trade federation were using their civilian level technology for military use, with exemption of destroyers (but the were relegated to heavy guard duty in episode 1 and weren't that numerous as in later stages of the war). Their B1 droids original purpose was to be simple (in comparison to C-3PO for exaple) protocol droid. Their main ship was just giant container ship retrofitted to be starcraft carrier. So it's no surprise that their vehicles required crew because originally they probably were designed with organics in mind, federation just bought them for their droids and didn't bother with retrofitting because that cost MONEY.
If you doubt the wonders automation can do concerning the balance of a 2 (and 6) legged robot, go check bostondynamics. They do crazy stuff, no advanced AI recquired.
The reason why B1 droids are piloting AATs is because, before the Clone Wars, the Trade Federation was producing weapons (AAT included) to sell to private military in the galaxy. Often, private military wanted only the weapons but not the droids to use in battle. This is also why B1s don't have weapons integrated to the base model and they have to carry guns manually.
While more or less correct, manufacturer of AAT wasn't Trade Federation but Baktoid Workshops, Trade Federation possibly originally crewed them with organic troops, but possibly due to constant shortage of trained crewman and abundance of (mostly) security droids, some of those droids were reprogrammed to fill that role
Ironically the "droid blaster" couldn't really be used by organics. Yes they were briefly in various scenes, but they were utterly horrible to use. Unlike almost any other blaster, regular use made the foregrip (the barrel itself) overheated. Droids couldn't care less. Organics on the other hand got burned FAST.
@@sargesacker2599 Guess they figured that they obscurred vision too much in first person (in some cases this was indeed true - try flying the Vulture Droid/Droid Starfighter in first-person).
I wonder if it would be possible for the AAT to use its repulsors to angle its entire hull up or down to improve the gun's traverse. I know there's a few irl tanks that do something similar with hydro-pneumatic suspension
I find it curious how the franchise itself more than once shows why vehicles with legs are ridiculous making AT-ATs to be taken down with only CABLES tied to their legs and the AT-ST being taken down by..... TREE TRUNKS, seriously then why Do these vehicles continue to be used with such large and clear design flaws?
•Star wars tank: -Huge, easy to get hit -Expensive -Not entirely practical •Sherman -High but not too big -Cheap but quality and quantity -Highest survival rate for the crew -Best tank of the war (deal with it)
@__ highest survival rate because it had a practical design. If the tank was hit, it was easy to the crew to jump out and not burn alive. Whereas the British, German, Japanese and Russian tanks were cramped so if they caught fire their crews burned to death
@@Oppen1945 you get my point. Panther, T34, Crusader and all Japanese tanks had pretty cramped interiors, you'd get stuck trying to get out in a rush. Not what you want when the tank is on fire
@__ there are videos on tank ergonomics for the tiger and panther. Panther is the worst. Really cramped and the hatches don't just pop open. They gotta be screwed off EDIT: here you go ua-cam.com/video/q6xvg5iJ4Zk/v-deo.html
I love the Halo 3 song you use in the beginning...where you are gloriously assaulting the control room on the Ark and SGTMAJ Johnson is providing overwatch with the SPARTAN laser.
The Mako was far better than that torture device of a hover "tank." That thing had no turret so had to be treated like a Stug or STRV-103 and getting anywhere meant making jumps that ended with the tank slamming into the ground every time.
One series that has a fairly good tank to review is Mobile Suit Gundam. The Earth Federation uses a massive twin barreled MBT called the M61 before they get their own suits rolling out.
I mean, siege tank has some pros like its literaly an spg that can defend itself from attaks, and deploy mines of thats still canon, and there are cons like its logistics hell, you need TWO diffrent kinds of shells, its piloted by ONE man and it has TOO many moving parts
Actually what's even worse about the AAT is that the hatch is very easy to open, this gets showcased in an episode of clone wars where a band of rebels manage to capture one (while it's trying to kill them mind you) and destroy the local power plant completely stopping the droid garrison from being able to recharge
The best star wars vehicles were always Expanded Universe ones You want to see a REAL tank look into the S-1, 2-M or 1-H series of Imperial repulsortanks Blows any crap they use in 40k out of the water
Алекса́ндр Миха́йлович Василе́вский I searched them up, impressive tanks tbh But no need to bash another franchise, you just made yourself an asshole. No need to overestimate without even knowing the other side. A Baneblade could just destroy any of those tanks like your opinion.
@@nobleman9393 no, most of the time sw fans start it and wh40k fans just counter attack but those sw "fans" that start the shitstorm also usualy have a victim syndrome so the try to make their bullshit look like they were "attacked" by wh40k "fanboys" and it totaly doesnt looks like those "fanboys" tried to argue with common sense and knowledge of the topic like: "wow how dare they have a valid argument against my totaly unbiased opinion" -an actual sw fanboy that i saw once in comment section of an old video
A strong enough magnet can attract or repel anything, but we would be talking about an insanely powerful one for the size of the AT-TE that could be taxing on the power plant, or not, depending on how much space magic it runs on. And the CIS maybe sells AATs to biological races?
Usually the AT-TE doesn’t hold 20 troops. The front compartment usually is converted to a communications center, as shown in the clone wars show. The back compartment can also be converted to hold two at-rt’s. The whole walker is very modular Edit: the ATT has droid systems in it that assist both crew members. Also, it does have a lot of depression (lol). It is shown in the clone wars during the first episode actually, when a gun is pointed way lower than it needs to be to point directly at yoda.
@@crazymantank3315 no, just no, in titanfall titans and pilots have a neural link or something like that, or at least thats what i understood, so pilots basicly see from eyes of their titan plus they have a helmet on at all times and the ones that dont are "robots"
I hate to be that person, but im a star wars nerd so i feel the need to correct you on a couple things. 1. AT-TE The AT-TE has highly sloped armor and energy dispersion technology making it very effective against energy based weapons, and even tsome kinetic weapons You forgot to mention just how powerful the mass driver cannon is, it is seen destroying capital ships in the battle of Geonosis and in the clone wars series The AT-TE is also completely immune to most mines, with its thick padded feet, along with the AT-RT to a lesser degree 2. AAT The AAT in fact does have a droid brain inside of the tan, and can be operated with or without a crew, being more effective with one, my guess being the command droid would spot the enemy and the droid tank brain would rotate the turret and fire, not requiring input from the commander The AAT is also well armored having a dedicated energy shield and very curved slopes as well The repulsors are also an advantage considering it makes this tank almost all terrain 3 AT-RT The AT-RT is incredibly well armed for a scout walker and extremely fast and maneuverable, seen as so in the movies and clone wars tv shows, this dangerous combination allows the AT-RT to glide around enemy tanks and AFVs on any terrain and use its powerful laser cannon and grenade launcher to destroy its targets. All the other flaws that were talked about were correct, with the AAT being a floating bomb thanks to its overheating repulsor lifts and high explosive missiles, the AT-TE has weak spots on the underbelly, an exposed driver, non depress-able gun, and exposed gunner, at-rt is also very exposed, but scout walkers arent meant to take hits from nearly anything.
i wonder if it would be considered out of place to have tanks with tracks in star wars as i feel something like that would be a lot more practical than a hover tank or a walker
2:23 In Star Wars that's supposed to be a kind of transparent armor that is just as good as regular armor but also allows to look through it. Sort of like that "transparent aluminium" shown in Star Trek, maybe.
Fun fact about the AAT, it is so incredibly heavy that if it's lift repulsors go out, it's quite literally dead in the water. You can't even make it budge.
Many armor and armor packages in the star wars universe are mostly meant to counter and disperse blaster bolts so the not so thick armor on the ATTE is mostly meant to disperse blaster bolts
You do have a point but I think from the designers perspective on this is mostly to engage with infantry and/or attack long range targets but I could be wrong
I have a cool idea about the AAT’s gun. What if the gun we see includes the breach (that wat it can move independently). After the gun fires it returns to a resting position and an auto loader reloads (the ammo conveyor). I know it isn’t shown, but I think it’s a good idea.
Eager to hear you talk about the Leman Russ Battle Tank and the Sentinel. Warhammer 40K is a favorite canon of mine, but I love hearing people talk about it from realistic perspectives.
The armor flaw for the atte is not actually a flaw. It actually had great armor for its time. The weapons don't fire live rounds. They fire plasma bursts meaning that the armor doesn't have to be thick. It dispurses the energy.
@@tophatjoe1677 Actually it didn't care about mines that much. It's far enough off the ground that you need a BIG mine to get it. And it's legs are said to be able to handle a blast directly under the foot.
Good job again Spookston! Just a couple of suggestion for further analyses (if you actually read this): LAAT Gunship, Mantis, Pelican, Juggernaut Turbo Tank, the Sicaran Battle Tank and the Dreadnoughts of 40k. Get some rest yo!
When you were talking about the AAT not being a droid in of itself, I really wish I was here earlier to say that it's because the Trade Federation designed them to be operated by organic crews OR B1s, because they could always sell them to planetary security forces that may not want droid crews/tanks.
one issue with at-te is that its clearly supposed to be a combination of a tank and an APC (armoured personnel carrier) which is a terrible idea as both vehicles are going to be attractive targets to the enemies for completely different reasons but by combining them into one you are essentially making it very easy for the enemies to kill two birds with one stone
Interestingly, the AT-RTs in clone wars series do kinda run and maneuver in an almost animal-like way, kinda like an emu. It even strafes and jumps. So I guess it probably has an AI system of sorts for stabilizing and moving around
So you said that 20 Troops is too much, how do you feel about the RL AAV-P7? 21 Marine Infantry + the 3 man crew of the vehicle, for a total of 24 troops on it.
Keep in mind that when the Clone Wars started the trade union could not legally own conventional military equipment only 'security forces' with the excuse of keeping pirates at bay. This is why the AAT has droid pilots. They could legallly own security droids and they could legally own tanks, but not a droid made to be a tank. Having the security droids pilot the tanks was a cheeky loophole on their part.
Fun Fact. NBC has been updated to CBRN. Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear. If i am not mistaken, Radiological differs from Nuclear in that Radiological is less of an explosive danger like typical nukes and is more of a "dirty bomb". Leaking radiation over a large area without people knowing.
2:45 Maybe they could put in extra power generators to strengthen the shields and weapons instead. I know on the ones they used on Ryloth they replaced the rear passenger compartment with one capable of housing 2 scout walkers. I actually think scout walkers is the one thing walkers might do better. Across very rough terrain with lots of obstacles legs are best which is why a few nations that have a lot of that like India and Indonesia still have a cavalry. It's not that they can't afford vehicles but horses are better at traversing hilly and jungle terrain better than tracks can. Of course that cavalry is strictly for scouting and patrol. But a scout walker would basically be that but without the downsides of horses like hygiene, feeding and stress. For a scout across that terrain longer legs are good because it means climbing steeper hills and having a better view.
Some things I wanted to talk about:
1. The AT-TE's armor may be all well and good for infantry based energy weapons, but not all weapons in the Star Wars universe are energy based. For example, the majority of the AAT's weapons are either kinetic or chemical, only the auxiliary guns are energy based.
2. I don't think the AT-TE could crouch to the side to allow the mass driver additional gun depression with how the middle leg articulates, but if it could, it would render the AT-TE either near or completely immobile. A much easier solution would be to simply make the mass driver turret bigger to allow the gun to depress more.
3. I noticed in the Clone Wars movie that the AT-TE seemed to dig into the cliff a bit, but I don't buy that as being plausible either. The prongs on the feet are much too smooth and shallow to hold any weight while climbing vertically.
How about reviewing Planetside 2 tanks? There is 4 of them:
-Lightning (light tank)
-Prowler(Terran Republic MBT)
-Vanguard(New Conglomerate MBT)
-Magrider( Vanu Sovreignthy MBT)
For a game taking place in the 27th century it has pretty conventional design for tanks(execpt the magrider which uses spacemagicwitchcraft...)
Are u going to Tau tanks from 40k, seeing that they are intune with 21st century tank design, such as low profile, depression, atgms and etc
I was going to add that since the AAT levitates and has zero ground-contact, it should in theory not detonate landmines?
Plus u forget to bring up the speed of AAT, it can literally do donuts around the AT-TE, and the rockets are meant for engaging multiple enemies independent of the main gun, as for depression, the main gun is meant for either long range or area that the vehicle is not facing, hence if a armored tank got close, rocket will finish it oof, and anything lighter will be picked of by the twin blasters mounted on the side.
Thank god you commented this 😅 I was about to come in here and flame you. You do have to consider that the armor is probably made out of some advanced material because of how advanced the Star Wars universe is. Other than that, you right.
1:30
"So they could be deployed to planets without atmosphere"
Anakin Skywalker, who used them to board an enemy frigate: "I'm four parallel universes ahead of you"
He fucking used a energy artilerry on venators down hangar to shoot at enemies hes way ahead of everyone
Nobody:
Anakin: “Lets use the walkers as assault craft”
Funfact: The AT-TE was used for attacking a ship of the seperatists in one episode of the Clone Wars.
yeah it was used as a boarding craft and that too.
Yeah, a moving space turret!
@@DimoB8 I always wondered why there arent ships covered in small walkers to work as more mobile turrets/boarding vehicles, especially based on how they do so much damage to the separatist ships in that episode
John Sanders something like that does get used in episode 3 when you see the Banking clan frigate get 1 shotted it’s actually the laser artillery from episode 2 inside the Venator that does it.
remember the admiral didnt like the idea
4:57
"the main gun has no depression"
God i wish that were me.
You don't need depression when the entire tank tilts forward like a fucking helicopter
@@arthurmorgan2418 *swedish noises*
@@GiskardRevenlov swedish boi here. I approve
@@GiskardRevenlov but the hull-aim tonk never raped anyone, so it isn't truly swedish.
@flakpanzer 38t
Ooh, spicy. I wonder if anyone will get it?
Using based classic SWBF2, nice.
We weren’t expecting special forces
Thats the point Sergeant.
And Classic BF1 (Or the mod that brings back the best maps into SWBF2 because BF1 maps were far better than BF2 ones on average)
Why are you here!?
@@nolandewell1102 People who make meme videos about tanks commenting on each other's videos? What a shock.
I think the reason why the AAT has droid crew members instead of being a droid itself was because those tanks were in intended for organic crew members. Later in the war we some all droid vehicles like the gunship and the snail tank.
bingo
For a vehicle meant for organics, it seems extremely unergonomic
@@fulcrum2951 my guess is that it's made that way to cut corners
@digduck exactly all home grown organic crew members
@@fulcrum2951 Aliens come in different shapes and sizes?
The AT-TE’s “toes” can be articulated into foot spikes like cleats to improve traction on slick terrain like smooth rock, which is what it uses to climb the cliff on Teth
megastarsport it’s even shown in the clip he uses for that when the AT-TE falls
Still wouldn't be able to hold its own weight.
@@bencehorvath6094 but it dose
@@bencehorvath6094
It was literally been shown that it was able to climb a cliff
@@nobleman9393 Many incredible things are shown in movies and cartoons. I feel that physics and reality would not allow the AT-TE to climb the wall.
“More droids for the infantry”
Bro they had literal quadrillions of em they are FINE
If anything, they had too MANY of them. They had quantity, what they lacked was quality. Imagine if instead of the OOM or B1, the B2 Super Battle Droid or, better yet, BX Commando Droid were the primary infantry used by the CIS.
@@z3r0_35 Kind of the point with them being too many. B1 are cheap to make. They are cannon fodder.
Quantity has a quality all on it's own.
@@arnowisp6244 That's only true if what you have a lot of is even a bit effective to begin with, and the B1 and OOM, while perfectly sufficient for cowing planetary defense forces into submission like at Naboo, are completely out of their league against a large, professional, well-equipped military force like the GRA, despite enormous numerical superiority (and that's before you factor in the force multiplier provided by Jedi leadership).
Of course, it could be accurately said that they were never intended to win in the first place.
@@z3r0_35 True, they weren't intended to win battles. They are cannon fodder meant to support the real victory winners (B2s etc.) And provide logistics support etc.
@@arnowisp6244 Not what I meant. The CIS was never supposed to win the Clone Wars.
The cockpit for the ATTE always irked me. Lore wise, the 'glass' in the cockpit is supposed to be just a transparent version of that of the hull but is always depicted as glass in any visual medium. Also the fact that the cockpit sticks out from the hull just made it a bigger target with the window being at 90 degrees in stead of slanted like the hull.
To fix it, I would suggest something like the droid tank with a small dome, moving the driver and commander back and removing the front troop compartment. Also never new why the gunner for the mass driver cannon could not just be remote controlled from within the hull of at least give the poor trooper a sliding cover to protect him.
Really just make the front troop compartment the crew compartment from which to control the vehicle - quarters could be quite spacious and comfortable for extremely extended engagements.
Transperisteel, yeah.
Which is weird since Mace Windu uses the Force to shatter it easily. Maybe thats just Mace Fucking Windu doing his Mace Fucking Windu thing but...
@@KillerOrca "An individual would view an item through the Force, noting where it came together and also noting weak points in its composition. By allowing the Force to surge through them into the weak point, individuals could effectively "shatter" the object, causing it to break into multiple fragments. Because the Force granted supernatural ability to those who were adept in its use, materials thought to be near-indestructible were easily destroyed. Such was the case with Jedi Knight Jaina Solo, who effortlessly shattered a disc of pure Mandalorian iron while practicing the technique under her uncle, Luke Skywalker."
Just a quick question, how is he getting first person view; is it a mod?
@@KillerOrca one time mace destroy an army of super battle droid with just his hands
Fun fact: There are indeed nukes in the Star Wars universe, though the faction that I can think of that actually used them would be the Mandalorians during the Old Republic era
Who would even use such a primitive and barbaric weapon.
Not to mention sick low yeld explosive wise..
Side note. Nukes are basically left to blowing up rocks is space mining were no one cares about radiation.
@@sethgilcrist8088 Again, Mandalorians. I dont remember which planet it was but during the Mandalorian Wars, they nuked an occupied Old Republic world to show the rest of the galaxy what just what kind of war they were fighting. Far as I remember, the world is still uninhabited even well past the Yuzon Vong invasion. To give some context Taris, a city planet similar to Coruscant, experienced total orbital bombardment by Darth Malicks fleet a few short years later during the Jedi Civil War. It was already a bustling and fairly prosperous by the time of the Galactic Civil War
@@patchmoulton5438 if I remember correctly it was an outer rim world so it not being cleaned up and repopulated is not really surprising
@@sethgilcrist8088 True enough though Trais is also considered either outer rim outer mid rim. But even then, places like Tatooine keep getting resettled... for some reason
@@patchmoulton5438 crime Lord's and hyperdrive routes.
After all not every one can do it in less then 16 parcets
So, some counterpoints
1) The AAT does have a good amount of gun depression, as could be seen in Innocents Of Ryloth of Star Wars The Clone Wars Season 1, though to do this required angling the hull so the gun had space to do so.
2) The AAT in The Phantom Menace that Jar Jar hangs from had a "Booma" dropped into it, which seems to be able to stick to targets in addition to an EMP, potentially disabling more electronics that touch it. It's likely that the stuck Commander Droid touched some controls on his way down, and forced the anti gravity to angle to the side. Recoil is shown in TPM to cause the AAT to back up, but it can counteract the force to return to its original position. Overall this makes imbalance a moot issue, since we see it ably resolving it without fail.
3) The AT-RT's height is greatly justified by its top speed of 75kmh, which is only achieved because of those long legs. Wheels would be more stable, but sacrifice a lot of mobility, and especially a lot of ground clearance (they are shown to be able to jump over obstacles) which is a major advantage to have for the AT-RT as...
4) The AT-RT functions more closely to a self propelled gun than a motorcycle. We see the firepower of an AT-RT can destroy an AAT (Liberty on Ryloth) or light AFVs (Darkness on Umbara). It is very flexible in that role, similar to a jeep towed 37mm of WW2 when the guns were still effective.
Finally, just a small nitpick, 5) the AT-RTs do have advanced AI that makes them handle like animals. This is a bit of deep lore though, so if you didn't know then that's fine.
Overall though, I did enjoy this video. I hope you could do a video on Droid Fighters, Vultures are my personal favorite vehicles. I also hope you enjoyed making this video, since Star Wars has a rich universe to explore.
tbh a lot of his cons are explained away just through the lore.
and also the aat does have a commander and gunner with two droids. if you look through the cut out you will see two different pairs of droids legs, how he didnt see it but 11 year old me did, i have no fucking clue.
then again this seems to be a constant issue with him.
AND the AAT was made to sell to other specidz
@@Thekilleroftanks That's basically starwars for you, making a cool looking design and then explaining all the problems away. Still, it's an effective way to both have cool vehicles and deepen the lore, so I don't mind.
"The AATs turret doesnt have any depression"
Shows game footage of the gun aiming down.
To be fair though, that was because of the hilly terrain.
If its looking to its right or left but not front or behind
Seems like the hull is what's blocking their depression, because in the Clone Wars they seem to be able to depress just fine while angling the hull
@@DrSabot-A but even then, the AAT does have the two anti-personnel laser cannons if anyone tries to get in front of it. And if that doesn’t work then it could probably just straight up run through them and cook em with the repulsorlifts.
@@gabrielherman8229 I thought it was a total of 6 with 4 infront and 2 in the rear?
Im pretty sure in Star Wars Lore, the 'glass' canopy on the Walker is actually a form of clear steel. It's the same as they use on the windows of Starships.
The ATTE’s armor isn’t weak, it uses STAR WARS MAGIC™ Energy Dispersing technology, meaning that the energy from blasts is dispersed throughout its hull and the damage is significantly reduced, allowing for thinner armor which reduces stress on its legs and the vehicles that transport it into battle.
Also the ATTE isn’t the main battle tank, that goes to the TX-130T fighter tank.
Which is weirdly more designed like a CVR(T) is several ways.
Good thing “no one” in Star Wars uses kinetic penetrators or that thing would be dead in seconds.
@@Gravemind2073
"Cough Cough Tyber Zann Cough Cough"
"Mass Drivers Cough Cough"
@@IRONLORDMINK don't forget all those rockets.
@@IRONLORDMINK Fuck the Canderous tank, fuck the mass driver turrets, and fuck the Vengeance frigate.
Command & Conquer would be great for this series.
I’d love that but I don’t want him to talk about the flaws of my beloved Mammoth tanks and Titans.
But we know that they are absolutely ridiculous.
@@KrisHandsome flaws of Mammoth? Suprisingly few.
1)They're comically oversized and overweighted, BUT still air transportable and have no trouble moving on normal roads and over bridges. So they're size is actually acceptable withing universe.
2)they're a big target and very expensive to produce, BUT they have repeatedly shown themselves as both cheaper and more durable option then just building several tanks to get the same number of guns on the target. They're too tanky. Plus inuniverse industry have no problem pumping out thousands of them in short order.
3)they're a big slow target for aviation, BUT ingame we see that they have modest speed compared to other vehicles, good maneuverability, they have their own AA missiles and they can take much more beating then expected. Not to mention all weapons used by aviation in games are high precision so smaller targets aren't saved by neither size, nor speed.
4) _it with its gramps Apocalypse tank had popularized quad track drive that Scorpion stole. Suprisingly it allows it to lose a track or even two and still be able to reverse back behind cover._ If I recall right its tracks also aren't single sviwel and have hydraulics to control their position so there's that.
5)twin cannon. Unlike all IRL example it had separate autoloader for both.
Drawbacks:
-It has good ammo options as it is shown being effective against infantry too even with railgun version and secondary missiles, it lacks even something as basic as dedicated machinegun though. Ugly Overlord says hello.
- No active protection system. It's very durable, but that one would have helped. Paladin says hello.
Not to mention all the possible design fuckups as most detailed version we've seen was in Renegade. I don't recall if Tiberium had one. There's also one in Renegade X, but it's fanmade. Versions in RTS games is too small to easily notice details and it's comically boxy to make it easy to tell apart from other units.
Yeah but lore is sparse
@@alientitimilk9073 Not for RA3 and Tiberium Wars vehicles though, which do have lore.
About one of the flaws for the AT-TE, it has infantry turrets on the front and back
And of varying firepower too.
+French Soldier how is this a flaw?
Actually this is one of the few cases where it works in its favor, since the main gun can't depress far enough to cover the rear from attack.
@@forgottouseincognito808 I was saying that the fact the main cannon not being able to depress isn't as much of a flaw
+@@frenchsoldier8485 you worded it weird
"Why couldn't he be in an armoured compartment?"
Congratulations, you just reinvented the AT-ST.
And even then the atst has some really thin armour
In cannon, the AT-RT can crouch and jump pretty well.
yeah. Windu's scouts in Ryloth was awesome.
@nikolai 1939 and those pesky umbaran artillery too
There is likely already complex AI at work balancing it constantly
Spook looks at the vicales from a realistic perspective.
@@razortheonethelight7303 yes, and he even states that it would be more effective with an advanced AI allowing it to move and balance like an animal, which it does.
Also B1-Battle droids aren’t the AAT commander/gunner that role was dedicated to the smarter 00M commander droid, which also piloted the tank as well.
Also those two turrets on the sides of the AAT are manned by those two droid gunners at either side of the tank. The pilot has two small front anti infantry blasters fixed to the hull at the very front.
The AAT isn’t made exclusively for the CIS like most of the CIS’s early forces, it wasn’t until the Middle of the Clone Wars when the CIS deployed its deadly droid machines such as the Buzz-Droids, Tri-fighters, and HMP gunships.
The AAT wasn’t exclusively made for the Trade Federation, as they were also sold to private defense forces and planetary militaries.
You've got it the other way around, the OOMs were the older, dumber model that required remote control from a mainframe to operate efficiently (or even at all in some cases, like at Naboo). The B1 was an upgrade to the OOM that gave it a degree of autonomy, the problem being that Baktoid cheaped out on the hardware to the point where any sudden change to their operational instructions was too much for them to handle (this along with the OOM's reliance on a central mainframe were also deliberate decisions because the Trade Federation was wary of letting their droids think too much and potentially mutiny). Doing this often enough resulted in each droid developing different behavioral quirks as well.
Z3r0_
The 00M battledroids were better at multitasking than the B1 due to their more specialized nature as the B1 was a generic droid with lots of different programming quirks that arose from their independence from a main computer.
@@MDPToaster B1s don't shut down if cut off from their control signal though. OOMs do...which doesn't make sense unless it's a failsafe (which is probably the case - the Nemoidians running the Trade Federation were VERY worried about the possibility of losing control of their droids), otherwise they'd just follow whatever their last set of programmed instructions are, then stop.
@@z3r0_35 youre missing his point.
yes oom did have to connect to a mainframe, but we arent talking about the basic troops but the commander units which didnt have that flaw and as such continued to be used well past the clone wars after the vast majority of mainframes were shutdown because again, didnt connect to a mainframe to receive commands. they themselves were the commanders.
@@z3r0_35 I'm a bit late to the party but there is only a single source in canon that states that the OOM was the predecessor to the B1. Most others say the OOM was a variant of the B1 that had more autonomy and a better processor to allow it to function in specialized roles such as officer or security. So in all likelyhood your information about the B1 and OOM is incorrect.
I imagine the AT-TE functions more like an APC to the clones than an actual tank. Something like the Saber would be more akin to a MBT. The Juggernaut would probably more resemble a type of mobile assault platform like the scarab from halo.
The Saber is basically a one-man light tank. Fast but not well armored.
Ya forgot to mention the ATTE could hold enough rations and air to last the whole crew and troops for up to 3 weeks. And the armor was very strong and good at dispersing energy when struck. Some flaws to the armor were the belly of the tank and the joints.
Honestly if the top turret was remote controlled, the front cockpit was removed and the bottom was covered the AT-TE would have very few weaknesses.
@@MistahFox it's really one of the better star wars designs.
@@SerinaDeMadrigal their suits takes care of those issues.
literally like wearing a dipper, just shit and piss anywhere you like the suit will take care of it all. kinda fucked up but then again, the republic thought of the clones as lesser than human, and some alien species....
@@MistahFox fun fact, the turret is remote controlled, just not well so they have a manual gunner for most instances, because the thing isnt a front line tank its a support tank.
and the front cockpit has effectually more armour than any other bits of the tank. hence why its very bold in its design, they kinda want the thing to be hit. and adding coverage to the bottom would be both A) pointless because again not an mbt, and B) stupid because the thing is already slow youre now doubling the armour for the ability to not get destroyed by stepping on mines which mind you almost never used.
@@MistahFox He mentioned the legs as weaknesses but it's quite the opposite. Thoose legs can climb up vertical cliffs and stick to the hull of spaceships. You can't achieve that with tracks or wheels.
Actually yes, AT-RT has some kind of system to ride through rough terrain, because that is its usage: high speed scout for rough terrain that speeders can't pass.
year speeders have troup with spongy ground (for some reason) hence they are not used in the swamps
@@matthiuskoenig3378 I think their repulsors just kinda throw all the mud around and speeder sinks.
You can easily make a sequel with how many vehicles that are in the clone wars.
Especially the AT-AP, which is a giant artillery Cannon that would fall on it's back every time it fires.
You mean series? There are at lest 10 main vehicles.
If you think the Clone wars vehicles had flaws just look at the Empire's they are even worse.
@@davidty2006 Oh god Empireal vehicles. Literally made for propaganda and big dick contests, much less for actual head-on combat
@@DrSabot-A Thrawn be like: "Disregard Tarkin, look at this practical stuff!"
About 4:20: stupid Battle droids in TCW was a comic relifief for kids.
And the movies and the cartoon. B1s were always dumb, they're canonically dumb, even the B2s are pretty dumb.
They really so dumb, devs of those droids were afraid of AI uprisings (as did IG-88), so they made them stupid for reason. But i really dont understand why you need a such stupid AI then
@@The_Crimson_Fucker the thing is that the aat commander is not a b1 they are 00M droid
They are dumb to stretch the war
No that's pretty much a common thing in the lore. B1s are not very competent, they're so cheaply produced because they aren't good pieces of machine
Hey they shown AT max speed in Rebels tv series when they were fighting Imperial walkers.
I think that one was modified
I don't think that one was modified.
@@R.Lennartz c mon that thing is almost twenty year old walker with additional stuff welded onto it and this bastard is still packs a punch.
@@Tanblch Most modern tanks today are +20 years old hulls with some addons.
@@Paciat Yeah but they're usually supported by massive logistics networks with multiple replacement components available. Their ATTE was looked after by nothing more than a handful of PTSD suffering clones holding it together with string and duct tape.
it's not just magnets that hold the AT-TE to surfaces, the flanges on the feet can rotate and dig into the ground.
A big issue in Star Wars (which is never really discussed) is a lack of trust in regards to automation.
To my understanding, the AAT was designed while the Trade Federation was using organics. Droids were brought in closer to the Battle of Naboo.
@@nicholaswalsh4462 Also technically the ones in naboo were the oom series, wich were conected to a mainframe and thus far more efficient than the clankers in comanding and coordinating vehicles.
@@rocket_sensha4337 yes and from what I've gathered in looking at the lore, the Clone Wars really put the kibosh on using automation.
There was also the Katana Fleet but Disney made that non-canon so I don't know how useful that might be.
@@nicholaswalsh4462 the cis didn't say no to ready avaliable manned vehicles they could cram a b1 inside. But were they really pushed their money and shinned was automated vehicles. The hyena bombers , vulture fighter, tri fighters and the HMP gunships all were scary on how could effective they were. Then there was also the manta and squid droids (forgot name) wich also served their purpose well. And then the magna walker , spider , crab droids and even droidekas were pretty impresive aswell.
TO be fair, they did have droid uprisings
IIRC that cliff on Teth was scalable because Teth has more metal rich soil than most planets or something, though using a winch wouldn't hurt...
How would you even use a winch there? I feel that there is so much wrong in just this sentence that i dont even know where to start
@@valhalanguardsman2588 in said scene the clones are using grappling hooks on their rifles to scale the cliff. Why wouldn't using a harpoon and a winch not work for the walker? The entire point of a winch is to pull a vehicle out or over difficult terrain.
@@rays5073 well thats the point, its easy for clones to use harpones, but like how much harder it would be to connect a strong enough winch to carry the WHOLE at te?
@@valhalanguardsman2588 But what if you used multiple winches?
@@emil4156 where would you connect them?
In The Clone Wars, the rear troop compartment of the AT-TE often carries 2 AT-RTs which have their legs collapsed.
They can also move around with their legs collapsed allowing them to lower their profile. down to speeder levels.
@@AlanGChenery But can they move at speeder speed while having their leg collapse ?
benjamin1359870 nope. But unlike repulsor lift technology they can't be jammed/disrupted remotely.
They also make relatively stable observation posts if you want to sit at a little elevation and watch a road through a pair of binoculars for hours.
And the gun is more accurate and powerful than that on your average speeder bike.
I'm not saying they are great. But they are being sold a little short here.
@@AlanGChenery If you want elevation take a bloody drone to watch the terrain they could build droid that fit the purpose. A camera on a pole is a stable observation post for hours, tha't an over engineered solution for something that is hardly a problem.
And tracks and wheels can't be jammed either. and even if you keep the leg i think there is a lot of improvment that can be made to reduce the leg size and the profile.
And the gun is small and could be fitted on a speeder bike so that's not an argument for the vehicule.
@@benjamin1359870 I can't quite remember what they are, but there's several areas/types of terrain that repulsorlift tech actually can't handle. That'd be a pretty good reason to not have it on a recon vehicle.
The planet in the clone wars movie was said to have high metal content in the rock. If it was all iron ore and the feet magnets we're really strong the at-te could climb it.
4:20
The droid's are capable of commanding and gunning at the same time due to their processors being able to handle it. Said processor is only just able to handle it, however, so they do have comedic (and often idiotic) personalities.
actually the lore reason for idiotic-ness is poor maintenance by some organics. the talking is the overworked processor. and this only applies to B1s. the AAT is crewed by the similar but more advanced OOM-series droids which are as smart as tactical droids (or slightly less smart, depending on sources. the T-series being made mostly for extra durability and as a scam to make more money off the seps)
Can you do an “everything wrong with” the titanfall 2 tank design?
ONE_SHOT_REKER 9000 there’s tanks in Titanfall 2?
Complicatrix Prime, yeah there are tanks in some of the maps
Complicatrix Prime the titans are that universes version of tanks
It's a T-90 with two guns on side mounts, the ones in Apex Legends are literally just Merkavas with two guns in the old Mark 3 style turret.
The Crimson Fucker lol
3:20 You must not have paid attention to the clone wars movie, as the AT-TE begins to move again after almost being blasted off the cliff we can clearly see the walker inbedding the small 'toes' around the walkers feet into the cliff thus allowing it to climb up. You can see it as Captain Rex responds to Anakin whilst scaling the cliff. Don't believe me, look it up.
I used the magnet theory to give it the benefit of the doubt, because it supposedly climbing up just by embedding its feet into the cliff face makes even less sense. Now way are those tiny toes going to be able to support the entire weight of the AT-TE on a sheet cliff.
@@Spookston it can do this do to the number of legs that would be digging into the surface. An the theory makes less sence than the magnets in the feet being attracted to the metal in the cliff.
Suggestions for things you could review:
The Rocket Hog (Halo)
The Combine Vehicles (Half-Life)
The vehicles from Just Cause (Notably the Barvarium ones)
There were two types of vehicles in half life 2, the apc and helicopter, both make 0 sense to me tho
random imperial guard do yourself a favor and google “half life vehicles.”
@@CatAdvantage 50% chance abrams, bradley and apache will show up
random imperial guard there was like 4 combine vehicles, the gunship, apc, helicopter and another one I can’t think of. I didn’t explain much in my last reply because I was in a hurry.
Rocket hog? I didnt know such a thing existed
My most favourite vehicle's in star wars :
1. AT-TE
2. AT-RT
3. LAAT
4. Venator
LAAT and Venator are just perfect for what they are. A Space worthy Crossbreed of a huey and a hind. And a space aircraft carrier.
@@rocket_sensha4337 that can carry 30 clone troopers witch for a troop transport is really good.
Replace the AT-RT with the AT-AP and you got my favorite republic vehicle.
@@danielchew8739 yeah i forgot the AT-AP to i like that vehicle too
@@DyzelisLTU I like the AT-AP because its essentially a Star Wars version of a STUG III.
5:40 I think that the rockets were placed the way they were because in the original script/concept art for the AAT, it was supposed to be a low-flying gunship and the rocket tubes would be used to clear out zones for advancing ground forces, which would make a lot more sense.
The AAT has very good gun depressions actually In the Clone wars [The 212th Free The Twileks] clip where it aims down at Obi Wan right in front of the tank by aiming slightly off of the side of the hull and using the repulser lift for some additional depression.
Also it could be possible that AAT's were designed to be manned with "human crew" instead with droids and having to completely redesign them was probably not worth the effort and cost.
I also feel like the AT-TE high CG is countered by the two middle legs being offset to the outside making it pritty much unable to topple.
Other than that the AT-RT has some crazy agility and speed another clip from TCW where Mace Windu deploys Lightning squadron to take out some AAT's shows that, so the walker having some sort of AI sounds like a good explanation
it was infact designed to be sold on the civilian market (where battle droids were illegal), the trade federation got past this by officially calling their battle droids security troops. hence why no episode 1 tanks are droids themselves, latter they ignored the ban and build tank droids, but seeing no reason to change the AAT
The flaw of AT-TE mass driver turret were emphasized in one Rebel episode, where an AT-TE was stucked inside a terrible weather alongside 3 hostile AT-AT. Instead of simply control the gun from the inside, it was specifically required to have one of the crew manned the gun outside, exposed to the elements.
The AT-TE shaking up and down as if it's breathing makes me uncomfortable in those shots.
One of the cons of the atte is the fact that it's f*cking breathing
@@a27cromwell34 back at nostalgia old utopian house have ending
well the reason the AAT is like that is due to the seperatist army being originally an amalgamation of different corporate armies and navies. this Tank is literally a prime example of corporate "Design by Committee" and was not designed for the B1 series of droids fun fact. but the OOM series security droids(essentially an army of mall cops) who are nearly identical to B1's but are infact networked through the use of orbital assets, namely a luchrehulk transport converted to it's controlship variation. this way the gunner can be commander at the same time. and the reason they didn't just make it a droid? why my friend that would have cost more money
7:24 yeah I bet you would know a lot about “animal-like” things lol
Wish he still made videos about fictional war machines
Ok I'm going to be a nerd here but b1 battle droids with yellow stripes are command droid which also are smarter then regular b1 battle droids same with the pilot with its blue stripes
I pity those Yellow bastards...
@@kabob0077 Same
@@tirpitz177 I mean, Clone Wars shows how brain dead all the other droids (not counting the Tactical Droids, damn RTS AI wannabes) are when compared to the Yellows, especially that one that was "promoted" and had to go against Yoda.
@@kabob0077 Yeah, I remember that, I also feel sorry for those that were actually smarter than the other normal B1's
@@kabob0077 the B1s do get smarter in later seasons, and only a reltatively small number are ever idiotic, useually just 1 to 3 in a group of hundreds. in the books it explains that the talking is an overworked processor (due to cheap scate leaders) and the idiotic-ness is poor maintenance (hence only happens to a few of them)
So the AAT has a single man turret with an overburdened commander doing double duty as the gunner and a driver who can't see anything. Sounds like Lucas must have used a WW2 French tank as a blueprint.
I think another issue with the AT-TE is what I like to call 'Bradley Syndrome' (anybody who's familiar with 'Pentagon Wars' will know what I'm talking about). It tries to be both a tank and an APC at the same time. It would've been better to make two different variants, an APC with increased transport capacity, and a dedicated tank with better protection and firepower. That said, I will say that it's a better design than the AT-AT that replaced it in most respects, due to a combination of the lower center of gravity and ground pressure and lacking the AT-AT's blind spots to the side and rear thanks to the turret and rear gun emplacements. The only thing the AT-AT has going for it over the AT-TE from a design perspective (and not related to its mass) is that it being higher off the ground makes the fighting compartment all but immune to mines...though this doesn't do jack shit for the legs that have to hold the damned thing up, and if those things go, it's a long drop to the ground...
As for the AAT...oddly enough, concept art for the Phantom Menace shows that it was originally supposed to be capable of flying around more like a VTOL aircraft (this was even incorporated into the vehicle's aesthetics, as it was based on the Mi-24V "Hind-D" helicopter gunship). This would also explain the presence of the rocket launchers, which I disagree with about them being 'unnecessary'. Ray shielding against energy weapons is fairly common in the Star Wars universe, and while particle shielding against solid objects is ubiquitous on spacecraft, this is NOT the case for ground vehicles (some had shields, but they drained so much power that could go towards things like propulsion or weapons that it was generally deemed not worth the trouble - static deflector shields covering an entire area were more common), so targets that the main gun might have a hard time cracking could be dealt with using guided missiles. That being said, it might just be better to replace the main gun with one that could also fire kinetic shells if required (in fact iirc the AAT's gun was shown being able to do exactly that in the Clone Wars TV series) and have a few of those in reserve for that purpose, freeing up space at the base of the AAT that could be used for more powerful repulsors to improve mobility and make it a more stable gun platform, among other things. As for why the AAT had a crew, that's probably because it was originally designed for organic crews, which later proved useful in the early days of the Empire for separatist holdouts that found their droids being shut down by the master code broadcast from Mustafar (and in fact, it was intended that the Empire would have repainted AATs in their service in the Star Wars Battlefront games, but they instead got a reskinned TX-130, the Republic's 'medium tank'). Plus there was the fact that despite the overwheming reliance on droids, the CIS DID have organic troops in their ranks, which were actually considered more formidable opponents by the Republic since, while droids could be deployed in huge numbers they were tactically inflexible and not very bright, whereas the CIS' organic troops were usually well trained, highly motivated, and most importantly of all, were usually fighting a defensive war on their home turf. This is what made campaigns like Umbara such a nightmare for the Republic (before you even consider that the Jedi General leading one of the Clone units present was a traitor). Stick a well-trained and experienced organic crew in an AAT and you have a truly terrifying obstacle to overcome. Oh, and there was one more advantage that was left out in the video: in the Phantom Menace, despite the commander being overworked, the AAT was shown to be accurate enough to be able to engage and shoot down starfighters with the main gun (as an unfortunate N1 pilot found out the hard way shortly after taking off).
Lastly, there's the AT-RT...which you have to understand is a patrol vehicle by design (it's in the name: All-Terrain *Reconnaissance* Transport) - it's basically a militarized motorcycle on legs instead of wheels. The high profile could actually work in its favor if you're using it as a perimeter patrol vehicle guarding a FOB or some other piece of critical infrastructure, even if it's a liability on the front lines. The leg design, while poor on rough terrain, works just fine on more stable ground, i.e. in a city, which makes it a potentially useful vehicle for occupation forces...if not for the fact that the exposed driver is easy prey for snipers. If I'd been the one building it, I'd probably just do away with the driver altogether and make it a droid with simple IFF protocols that make it engage non-authorized personnel within its designated AO, and deploy it in rear guard roles where its lack of intelligence isn't as much of a liability since it'd basically be a giant mechanical guard dog; this would also warrant a change in designation - I'd go with AT-PO, for All-Terrain Patrol & Occupation. At the front I'd just have the troops use speeder bikes like the BARC or the Z74 that started showing up later in the war.
Well the AT-OT was like an apc version it held more troops
@@blurglehus7348 I always view the AT-OT as more of a truck than an APC, as its meant rear-line transport duties rather than transport troops on the battlefield.
@@blurglehus7348 But it was also open-topped, leaving its troop compliment vulnerable to the elements and enemy fire. I'm talking about a version with a closed troop compartment, removing the mass driver, and either reducing or redistributing the laser cannons (most likely removing two of the frontal cannons). As for the dedicated tank variant, I'd get rid of the troop and vehicle carrying capabilities entirely and add either more powerful motors to increase its top speed or a shield generator for added protection, plus I'd move the mass driver gunner into the hull and have that weapon be controlled remotely.
not all sources say the droids are inferior in all ways. for one droids (even B1s and OOMs) are supposed to have faster reaction speeds and reflexes then organics, ideally I would have organic platoon and even individual tank commanders, with droid crews and polites and gunners (an OOM shooting down a star fighter with a battle tank is incredible marksmanship). thus getting the reaction times and reflexes of the droids with the tactical flexibility of organics.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 The problem with droids was their tactical inflexibility. Clones were able to outmaneuver droids through improvisation, acting in ways other than how CIS commanders were expecting. Organic troops don't have this issue, and could actually out-think clones because the GAR's troops were bred for compliance (plus they had those inhibitor chips, the significance of which never seemed to dawn on anybody until it was too late), which came at the cost of initiative and imagination (with a few exceptions like the ARCs and Clone Commandos).
1. I loves the Video pls make a Sequel.
2. The AT-TE and AT-RTwere designed after animals so the could be used anywhere since Repulsorlifts werent good for Hills or Rocky envirement.
3. The Cis (the bad guys) were always afraid of Hacking attempts or a droid revolution. Thats why it made more sense to them to make their tanks not independent abd fill it up with B1s.
4. It isnt shown in the picture but Tank Droid B1s also Existed. They had Green Markings
Would you do "if the war thunder IS-7 was historically accurate"?
-30% chance to spontaneously combust at any given time (the IS-7s were prone to engine fires)
-Due to extremely low production numbers, only one may be deployed per match.
-Transmission breaks down if you sneeze in its direction
-Can't deploy at all till ten minutes into the match because Soviet infrastructure couldn't support such a heavy vehicle and move it around efficiently (THIS was the main reason it got cancelled, along with most other Russian vehicles weighing more than about 55 tons: weight)
Tbh I can see both clones and droids use those at the start of the war with all those flaws for 2 reasons:
- kaminoans are good at cloning but thats it, they were also tasked with arming clones with their weapons, armor and designing/ordering their vehicles(we can see for example that most clones who didn't like phase 1 armor did it because it was cumbersome)
- trade federation were using their civilian level technology for military use, with exemption of destroyers (but the were relegated to heavy guard duty in episode 1 and weren't that numerous as in later stages of the war).
Their B1 droids original purpose was to be simple (in comparison to C-3PO for exaple) protocol droid.
Their main ship was just giant container ship retrofitted to be starcraft carrier.
So it's no surprise that their vehicles required crew because originally they probably were designed with organics in mind, federation just bought them for their droids and didn't bother with retrofitting because that cost MONEY.
Clone vehicles are made by Rothana Heavy Eneneering, which is conected with Kuat Drive Yards.
@@tomaskops7119 is not a dumb and is a astromech cannot drive that
If you doubt the wonders automation can do concerning the balance of a 2 (and 6) legged robot, go check bostondynamics. They do crazy stuff, no advanced AI recquired.
And that's in a world where we don't have things like commando droids that can literally do flips and jump wall to wall avoiding fire.
@@epion660 some reason all cpu looking old
The reason why B1 droids are piloting AATs is because, before the Clone Wars, the Trade Federation was producing weapons (AAT included) to sell to private military in the galaxy.
Often, private military wanted only the weapons but not the droids to use in battle.
This is also why B1s don't have weapons integrated to the base model and they have to carry guns manually.
While more or less correct, manufacturer of AAT wasn't Trade Federation but Baktoid Workshops, Trade Federation possibly originally crewed them with organic troops, but possibly due to constant shortage of trained crewman and abundance of (mostly) security droids, some of those droids were reprogrammed to fill that role
@@Jfk2Mr Right, right.
I'll admit, I'm kinda rusty with my pre Clone Wars lore. :P
Thanks for corrections!
Ironically the "droid blaster" couldn't really be used by organics. Yes they were briefly in various scenes, but they were utterly horrible to use. Unlike almost any other blaster, regular use made the foregrip (the barrel itself) overheated. Droids couldn't care less. Organics on the other hand got burned FAST.
I appreciate the OG Battlefront gameplay
(Battlefront > battlefront II)
First person cockpits is what I miss. Don't know why they missed that in the sequel.
@@sargesacker2599 Guess they figured that they obscurred vision too much in first person (in some cases this was indeed true - try flying the Vulture Droid/Droid Starfighter in first-person).
@@sargesacker2599 they also dumped air support and prone. I really missed that in the sequel.
AT-TE has multiple guns...
WoT light tanks: Just what we practiced, circle them like a tank destroyer.
Should have talked about the saber class or juggernaut instead of the at-rt
The commander/gunner on the AAT is a commander droid which are far better in terms of intelligence than regular B1 battledroids
I wonder if it would be possible for the AAT to use its repulsors to angle its entire hull up or down to improve the gun's traverse. I know there's a few irl tanks that do something similar with hydro-pneumatic suspension
it does do that in the clone wars TV show
They were Swedish Stridsvagn 103
I find it curious how the franchise itself more than once shows why vehicles with legs are ridiculous making AT-ATs to be taken down with only CABLES tied to their legs and the AT-ST being taken down by..... TREE TRUNKS, seriously then why Do these vehicles continue to be used with such large and clear design flaws?
SpookSton please do everything wrong with BattleTech tanks
'if AAT triggered a mine...'
Me looking at the floating AAT: ...
Maybe a magnetic mine or proximity mine. For some mines, you don't have to actually touch the mine to detonate it. These are how naval mines work.
•Star wars tank:
-Huge, easy to get hit
-Expensive
-Not entirely practical
•Sherman
-High but not too big
-Cheap but quality and quantity
-Highest survival rate for the crew
-Best tank of the war (deal with it)
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@__ highest survival rate because it had a practical design. If the tank was hit, it was easy to the crew to jump out and not burn alive. Whereas the British, German, Japanese and Russian tanks were cramped so if they caught fire their crews burned to death
@@Oppen1945 you get my point. Panther, T34, Crusader and all Japanese tanks had pretty cramped interiors, you'd get stuck trying to get out in a rush. Not what you want when the tank is on fire
@__ there are videos on tank ergonomics for the tiger and panther. Panther is the worst. Really cramped and the hatches don't just pop open. They gotta be screwed off
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I love the Halo 3 song you use in the beginning...where you are gloriously assaulting the control room on the Ark and SGTMAJ Johnson is providing overwatch with the SPARTAN laser.
Can you make “everything wrong with” Mass Effect tanks design? M35 Mako, M29 Grizzly, etc. There lots of them
The Mako was far better than that torture device of a hover "tank." That thing had no turret so had to be treated like a Stug or STRV-103 and getting anywhere meant making jumps that ended with the tank slamming into the ground every time.
One series that has a fairly good tank to review is Mobile Suit Gundam. The Earth Federation uses a massive twin barreled MBT called the M61 before they get their own suits rolling out.
Could you do a Everything wrong with Starcraft 1/2 Vehicle Design ?
I mean, siege tank has some pros like its literaly an spg that can defend itself from attaks, and deploy mines of thats still canon, and there are cons like its logistics hell, you need TWO diffrent kinds of shells, its piloted by ONE man and it has TOO many moving parts
Actually what's even worse about the AAT is that the hatch is very easy to open, this gets showcased in an episode of clone wars where a band of rebels manage to capture one (while it's trying to kill them mind you) and destroy the local power plant completely stopping the droid garrison from being able to recharge
The best star wars vehicles were always Expanded Universe ones
You want to see a REAL tank look into the S-1, 2-M or 1-H series of Imperial repulsortanks
Blows any crap they use in 40k out of the water
Алекса́ндр Миха́йлович Василе́вский Doesn’t have nuff dakka. Any Leman Russ would ammo rack that tank, since shields don’t work on planets anymore.
@@klutzspecter3470 Convincing Argument lol
Алекса́ндр Миха́йлович Василе́вский
I searched them up, impressive tanks tbh
But no need to bash another franchise, you just made yourself an asshole.
No need to overestimate without even knowing the other side. A Baneblade could just destroy any of those tanks like your opinion.
@@jnb_110 "But no need to bash another franchise" Well, Warhammer fans do the same thing all the time.
@@nobleman9393 no, most of the time sw fans start it and wh40k fans just counter attack but those sw "fans" that start the shitstorm also usualy have a victim syndrome so the try to make their bullshit look like they were "attacked" by wh40k "fanboys" and it totaly doesnt looks like those "fanboys" tried to argue with common sense and knowledge of the topic like: "wow how dare they have a valid argument against my totaly unbiased opinion" -an actual sw fanboy that i saw once in comment section of an old video
A strong enough magnet can attract or repel anything, but we would be talking about an insanely powerful one for the size of the AT-TE that could be taxing on the power plant, or not, depending on how much space magic it runs on.
And the CIS maybe sells AATs to biological races?
Id do comand and conquer
Usually the AT-TE doesn’t hold 20 troops. The front compartment usually is converted to a communications center, as shown in the clone wars show. The back compartment can also be converted to hold two at-rt’s. The whole walker is very modular
Edit: the ATT has droid systems in it that assist both crew members. Also, it does have a lot of depression (lol). It is shown in the clone wars during the first episode actually, when a gun is pointed way lower than it needs to be to point directly at yoda.
AT-TE has strong armor, separatist tanks must aim at weak points to destroy AT-TE.
Aim for the pilot
@@jeremy9416 as some of the people have already pointed out, the "glass" is not really glass. It's transparent armor like in titan fall.
Yeah, and the ATTE weak spots might as well be painted in Neon. You can't miss them
@@crazymantank3315 no, just no, in titanfall titans and pilots have a neural link or something like that, or at least thats what i understood, so pilots basicly see from eyes of their titan plus they have a helmet on at all times and the ones that dont are "robots"
@@crazymantank3315 it's glass but it's not glass....so it's an "anti laser glass" ?
So the AAT passes the "oh bugger, the tank is on fire!" test :D
I hate to be that person, but im a star wars nerd so i feel the need to correct you on a couple things.
1. AT-TE
The AT-TE has highly sloped armor and energy dispersion technology making it very effective against energy based weapons, and even tsome kinetic weapons
You forgot to mention just how powerful the mass driver cannon is, it is seen destroying capital ships in the battle of Geonosis and in the clone wars series
The AT-TE is also completely immune to most mines, with its thick padded feet, along with the AT-RT to a lesser degree
2. AAT
The AAT in fact does have a droid brain inside of the tan, and can be operated with or without a crew, being more effective with one, my guess being the command droid would spot the enemy and the droid tank brain would rotate the turret and fire, not requiring input from the commander
The AAT is also well armored having a dedicated energy shield and very curved slopes as well
The repulsors are also an advantage considering it makes this tank almost all terrain
3 AT-RT
The AT-RT is incredibly well armed for a scout walker and extremely fast and maneuverable, seen as so in the movies and clone wars tv shows, this dangerous combination allows the AT-RT to glide around enemy tanks and AFVs on any terrain and use its powerful laser cannon and grenade launcher to destroy its targets.
All the other flaws that were talked about were correct, with the AAT being a floating bomb thanks to its overheating repulsor lifts and high explosive missiles, the AT-TE has weak spots on the underbelly, an exposed driver, non depress-able gun, and exposed gunner, at-rt is also very exposed, but scout walkers arent meant to take hits from nearly anything.
where does it say the AAT has shields or a droid brain? i have never read this before. but the AAT does have heavy frontal armour
i wonder if it would be considered out of place to have tanks with tracks in star wars as i feel something like that would be a lot more practical than a hover tank or a walker
2:23 In Star Wars that's supposed to be a kind of transparent armor that is just as good as regular armor but also allows to look through it. Sort of like that "transparent aluminium" shown in Star Trek, maybe.
Fun fact about the AAT, it is so incredibly heavy that if it's lift repulsors go out, it's quite literally dead in the water. You can't even make it budge.
So the AAT is basically a science fiction version of the strv103
Nobody:
Turbo Tanks: You can hit me with an airstrike from space without software
The parts about AAT and AT-TE- *laughs in Leman Russ*
*Laughs in leman russ incinerator*
Many armor and armor packages in the star wars universe are mostly meant to counter and disperse blaster bolts so the not so thick armor on the ATTE is mostly meant to disperse blaster bolts
yeah it's not like rocket are commonly use in star wars especially as antitank weapon for infantry.
You do have a point but I think from the designers perspective on this is mostly to engage with infantry and/or attack long range targets but I could be wrong
I have a cool idea about the AAT’s gun. What if the gun we see includes the breach (that wat it can move independently). After the gun fires it returns to a resting position and an auto loader reloads (the ammo conveyor). I know it isn’t shown, but I think it’s a good idea.
“20 clone troopers down the drain” they were made to be disposable, they have billions of them
Eager to hear you talk about the Leman Russ Battle Tank and the Sentinel. Warhammer 40K is a favorite canon of mine, but I love hearing people talk about it from realistic perspectives.
The armor flaw for the atte is not actually a flaw. It actually had great armor for its time. The weapons don't fire live rounds. They fire plasma bursts meaning that the armor doesn't have to be thick. It dispurses the energy.
Yeah it's not like rocket are commonly used by the clone and the CIS.
@@benjamin1359870 rockets are like the only thing that can kill it. And a minefield.
@@tophatjoe1677 Actually it didn't care about mines that much. It's far enough off the ground that you need a BIG mine to get it. And it's legs are said to be able to handle a blast directly under the foot.
@@epion660 well that just adds more to my point of how good it is.
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Good job again Spookston! Just a couple of suggestion for further analyses (if you actually read this): LAAT Gunship, Mantis, Pelican, Juggernaut Turbo Tank, the Sicaran Battle Tank and the Dreadnoughts of 40k. Get some rest yo!
I could watch like you taking about this stuff for like an hour
When you were talking about the AAT not being a droid in of itself, I really wish I was here earlier to say that it's because the Trade Federation designed them to be operated by organic crews OR B1s, because they could always sell them to planetary security forces that may not want droid crews/tanks.
The AT-TE climbs the mountain using the claws on the feet, not the magnets.
one issue with at-te is that its clearly supposed to be a combination of a tank and an APC (armoured personnel carrier) which is a terrible idea as both vehicles are going to be attractive targets to the enemies for completely different reasons but by combining them into one you are essentially making it very easy for the enemies to kill two birds with one stone
Interestingly, the AT-RTs in clone wars series do kinda run and maneuver in an almost animal-like way, kinda like an emu. It even strafes and jumps. So I guess it probably has an AI system of sorts for stabilizing and moving around
So you said that 20 Troops is too much, how do you feel about the RL AAV-P7? 21 Marine Infantry + the 3 man crew of the vehicle, for a total of 24 troops on it.
I remember playing the classic battlefront games, back then the graphics seemed to be much more advanced than I see them now
love the use of DK diagrams. always checked those books out from the library
Keep in mind that when the Clone Wars started the trade union could not legally own conventional military equipment only 'security forces' with the excuse of keeping pirates at bay. This is why the AAT has droid pilots. They could legallly own security droids and they could legally own tanks, but not a droid made to be a tank. Having the security droids pilot the tanks was a cheeky loophole on their part.
5:39 You could also argue that the positioning of the rockets would make them unusable in a tactically advantageous hull-down position.
"Why not just make the entire thing a droid?"
People forget that the Trade Federation stuff is meant to be sold to humanoids
Pros has massive hatches that allows vre to escape.
Cons has massive hatches that clone troops can throw explosive into
your problems with the last one were also noted by imperial engineers and fixed with its next interaction, the chicken walker
Fun Fact. NBC has been updated to CBRN. Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear. If i am not mistaken, Radiological differs from Nuclear in that Radiological is less of an explosive danger like typical nukes and is more of a "dirty bomb". Leaking radiation over a large area without people knowing.
The real issue with the AAT is that they didn’t use plot composite armor. That stuff in Star Wars makes things indestructible.
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Maybe they could put in extra power generators to strengthen the shields and weapons instead. I know on the ones they used on Ryloth they replaced the rear passenger compartment with one capable of housing 2 scout walkers.
I actually think scout walkers is the one thing walkers might do better. Across very rough terrain with lots of obstacles legs are best which is why a few nations that have a lot of that like India and Indonesia still have a cavalry. It's not that they can't afford vehicles but horses are better at traversing hilly and jungle terrain better than tracks can. Of course that cavalry is strictly for scouting and patrol. But a scout walker would basically be that but without the downsides of horses like hygiene, feeding and stress.
For a scout across that terrain longer legs are good because it means climbing steeper hills and having a better view.