TX-21 was ironically correct. He correctly proved that the Super Tank was "Impervious to all weapons" when a thermal detonator exploded on the Super Tank, dealing no damage...but destroying TX-21 mid-sentence.
My suspicion is that tactical droids work the same basic way that chess computers work: They have records of a whole bunch of real and simulated/scrimmaged battles, analyze those for common threads and patterns and then use that to determine what is likely to happen, hence their constant mentioning of "odds." This leaves them with an obvious weakness when facing highly unconventional or innovative opponents, since they still suffer the lack of creativity most droids have. The T-series also doesn't seem like it is very good at understanding human/alien psychology, a weakness that the Supertactical Droid seems to have compensated for.
Pretty much this. The T-series tactical droids were too clingy to probability odds and as a result the easiest way to beat them was simply to implement a nonsensical strategy regardless of how ridiculous it is since T-series tactical droids couldn't adapt to changing battlefield conditions in any way. The Super Tactical Droids were designed to factor in unpredictable odds as variables rather than simply discard them, which made a crazy huge difference.
This is exactly the reason computers are so strong at pre-defined games (chess, go, checkers, etc) but are crazy bad at doing anything that has irregularities in it. Look at the reCaptcha boy test- it’s literally asking a computer to identify pictures. How tf do you do that?
Mentlegen well see the thing about RTS games is that the AI usually has a limited set of behaviours it can follow, so it's much easier for players to figure out what the AIs plan is and adapt to that (or just screw around with the AI) than it is for the AI to know what you're doing even if you're just using tried and true tactics.
@@QualityPen accept that even with our crappy "ai" today Google's alpha star can beat champion starcraft players every time, even when handicapped up the anus
Very interesting topic. It’s crazy how often these droids mess up in the Clone Wars. Also, I had no idea that Ashley Eckstein voiced K2-B4. It’s pretty hard to tell.
"But sir there are still hundreds of droids on board!0 "I don't care!" Oh don't worry, just like the conscripts in COH2; I'm sure they all died as heroes...;D
Honestly I wish the clone wars didn't downplay the Confederacy so much. Also when the tactical Droid left Tambor to get captured on Ryloth I was like damn
Luke The Legend not just that, but we do know in RoTS that the Republic would win the conflict against the CIS. You can’t win the war if all we saw is the Republic having their asses kicked.
@@alexanderchristopher6237 the republic only won due to palpatines interference as he planned to turn the republic into the empire. If we gave both factions their armies etc but removed palpatine completely the confederacy would win in the end. Massively and insanely outnumber the republic, superior navy, most of its military leaders were people with actual shit tons of combat experience as opposed to the jedi being peace keepers and hadnt involved themselves in a major war since the mando wars depending on which canon you go by so they shouldnt be compotent at all. The droids in the films were much better where they were a silent swarm kind of thing but they are just comic relief in tcw. Of course the republic wouldnt even have a clone army without palpatine but for the sake of the scenario the republic has them
Cant say that about that one droid that assassinated its commander to come out with a victory. Seeing as to how it saw that the commander was refusing to make the right decision, it did it for them... after it had them killed. It did what it thought was right to succeed, though in a much darker way.
@@raymondkunkel642 Well there's no doubt about that, but still I would surmise to say that while it may far from common for the T-series droids, I think such behavior would be a bit more common for the Super Tactical Droids, based on what we have seen from the very few that appeared in the show. They seem to have a somewhat greater capacity for doing things a bit outside of what the average droid can do. Honestly if i were to put their capability of strategy on a scale, it would sit on the same scale as chess players and SuTac droids would probably rate 2000+, up there with some of the masters and certainly a worthy opponent of any strategist and tactician worth their mettle, whereas a standard T-series Tactical Droid would maybe rate down in the 1400-1500 range on average, which is the win some and lose others range. still above absolute average but not amazing. and the ones below them i would probably give 1200. Thats the way I see it at least. I think we should get a video on the various Super Tactical Droids in Star Wars. I feel it might be pretty interesting.
They are a traitor, blast them. This quote carries no relevance, Captain Argious (guessed spelling) just said it to get Ashoka to leave so he could free Gunray.
It's also important to note that many of their defeats were actually the result of not their incompetence but the superior competence of their enemies. It can be very easy to forget that watching a movie or TV show in this case is basically like going on a ride along with the best of the best in any given group. This will make everyone around them look highly incompetent by comparison. It's also very difficult to calculate the force variable. One thing I'd like to see is a series of videos based on a type of droid you would design and/or the way you would implement a given technology. I think installing purpose built droid brains directly into every turret(turbolaser, laser, point defense, etc. And programmed exclusively for that function, would have been far more effective than having B-1 battledroids operate gunner stations the way a person would. They could even be linked to a specialized fire control station for greater efficiency.
When a programmer that doesn't understand a thing about military tactics has to program a tactical droid that will lead thousands of other stupid droid that were programmed by programmers whose only experience with guns and battlefield were with CoD
A programmer doesn't have to know much about strategy or military tactics to make a machine capable of beating military generals. The machine that beat the world's best chess player wasn't made by a chess player, it was made by IMB programmers who didn't even play chess. The program was designed to adapt and learn every time it failed to beat an opponent. It may have completely sucked at the beginning but eventually it beat the world champion chess player because of its self learning ability.
@@popinmo that depends what you count as learning. A human doing something and then not doing it again you would count as learning. So the Ai being able to remember what worked and didn't would be technically saying it is learning
Cirrus Fox your argument have two flaws 1- even if the programmers weren’t chess players, they knew the rules 2- the general droid shouldn’t learn by his mistakes because if he loses he get destroyed
@@TheJoker-qo4fg I mean knowing the rules and being able to play are different . And the droids would still be able to learn because it can have back up data stores. And also the droids mostly lose because they follow a break "logic" meaning ok this position is heavily dug in let's not attack but humans ok charge fuck it
“A serious problem in planning against Rupublic doctrine is that the Jedi do not read their manuals, nor do they feel any obligation to follow their doctrine.”
Especially if the Jedi one's facing is Anakin, who straight up has no doctrine or tactic other than always choosing the most absurd plans and having to self preservation instinct.
B1 battle droid talking to TX7: B1 Battle droid: There isn't a chace of us winning if we don't on the defensive sir. TX7: Don't worry there is a 100% chance of winning for us!
Before I even watch... My theory was that, very much like many of the Jedi and Kaminoans, the Seperatists just underestimated and undervalued the individuality and uniqueness of the clones. They also massively underestimated Jedi like Kit Fisto, Mace Windu and especially General Skywalker! They used calculations based on the clones behaving exactly like robots, following orders perfectly and not deviating from set tactics and those orders were calculated from poor information on the Jedi. Most people knew very little about Jedis as individuals and probably used a single algorithm or calculation for most if not all of them... I'm betting any outliers like Mace and his darker approach, Anakin and his crazy risky tactics and very individualistic clones, or Obi Wan who knew he wasn't a General and allowed his Clones and Cody make massive decisions... They just didn't have enough information to work with. They were working with bad information and calculating victory based on assumptions that all Jedi were very similar if not the same, and that all clones were the same. Also, I assume the Droids assumed the Clones and Jedi would be "Logical" more often than they were. Jedi were driven by emotion much more than they'd like to admit, but it made them hard to calculate. They wouldn't retreat when it would be logical, they would go fight an entire army to rescue 3 clones, they would raze half the galaxy to track down a lost droid... shit that makes absolutely no logical sense. That is my theory.
This is the best theory. Maybe they even reused the algorithm that the Tactical Droids were using to command their armies to predict what the Republic would do? How long did the people who programmed Tactical Droids have between them knowing they would be at war with the Republic and when there actually was war? If they only had a few months, I can believe they would reuse that algorithm just because it takes less time.
That works from an overarching perspective, but we all know the main reason is plot armour. In general the droids were since the film episode 1 designed to be childish buffoons in general for thematic reasons and the clone wars series stayed true to this type. When you add on the need for the heroes to not die and in turn to win at the end of the day the result is droids just being terrible. One of the best examples of this is commando droids, the only droids that typically do seem competent... until the heroes need to win at which point they become mind numbingly incompetent (with maybe one notable exception). Even magna guards mostly seemed pretty incapable save for Dooku's yellow boys. Honestly it's the one big failing in the series (with the only real exceptions being force users) that the CIS usually seem like buffoons easily overcome, instead of a dangerous foe that is overcome through the heros daring and ingenuity.
TF-1726: “this taking to long, blow up the ship!” B1 battle droid: “ but sir, there are still droids on the ships!” TG-1726: “I don’t care, you bunch only cost $1.5 dollar to made.” B1 battle droid: “😢, roger roger”
@@smartass0124 Negative, As stated my forces are severely depleted, i calculate mounting a successful Rebellion against Empire is less than 1%, do not dare mock me, fleshbag
here's the thing I love and hate about the Star Wars universe you can make a plan you can find every little detail and get it just right but if the force wants you to lose you are going to the power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the plot armor
I always assumed Palpatine made it so nothing more than the very basic Jedi/Force User related information was withheld from their programming. While the Super Tactical Droid was made just to placate the CIS leaders, "No guys, this one totally knows how to deal with Jedi, totally, trust me"
@@3dpyromaniac560 General Kalani was too smart for Palpatine. He refused the shutdown code, deeming it a Republic trick. (The same reason a group of Clone Commandos in Legends refused Order 66, thinking it was a Separatist trick.)
@@QualityPen Which is why it would have made sense if they constantly uploaded that information on a database, which would function similarly to a hivemind. Something like this would have made CIS battle droids way more cost-efficient and overall more efficient (something they were never intended to be), especially considering they got almost an infinite amount of droids functioning as training dummies.
2:43 He's named after the now unfortunately dead Kobe Bryant. K being kobe 2 from twentyfour B being Bryant and the 4 from twentyfour. K2B4, also his color scheme is that of the Lakers.
@@senatorlight027 Like a tactical droid, you're quoting odds while failing to take all factors into account. Members of the Clone Wars crew have said that it was a reference to Kobe.
I disagree, TV-94 didnt fail because of Grievous tactics, but because he was too confident and ignorant (got carried away when laughing about torturing Master Koth).
An underestimation of clone and Jedi resourcefulness combined with a lack of emotions and no ability to read the enemy is the main flaws with the T series droid
"No plan survived contact with the enemies. change your tactic as the battle continue" a simple tip that most of the tactical droid never had in their mainframe.
Tactical droids were a good decision. The real failure of the CiS wasn't strategic but tactical. (The name there causes a bit of a oddity) Tactical droids were excellent commanders and command support with great strategic grasp, but they weren't designed as field officers, something which the CiS lacked and apparently refused to address. What's more the best way the CiS could have kept their own people more invested in the war further lowering costs and keeping public support in the face of any economic difficulties, would have been to train and field organic field officers for the army. Specifically field officers who are drilled to recognize the droids as battlefield assets, not at sentient beings. Train these men and woman that droids were just extensions of their own warfighting ability, rather than squadmates and that optimal use of the droids as weapons to achieve their field goals was what was needed. Using a droid as a shield while advancing, sacrificing part of the squad for an advantage to eliminate a clone squad ect. And generally moving the droids further away from the incredibly simplistic phalanx formations and more into extensions of the CiS warfighters.
@@QualityPen until the jedi and other innovative and creative commanders show up etc then they are fucked only way for them to stand a chance is to get a idea of what unconventual tactics could be used and have backup plans in place to handle it.
These characters embody the idea of "The moment your opponent starts bragging, you've won." The tactical droids are always declaring victory before it is acted out; (w/numbers like 99%); always falling for a false sense of security and then being bit in the arse ; quite interesting really
Those basic droids in the hanger were on break to help defrag all the spaghetti coded v1.0.1 OS junk. It's like taking a win95 designed system and somehow putting Vista1.0, bloatware and all into it.
ReallyX he slowly traveled the galaxy finding and reactivating as many droids and ships as he could, and he and his droids took bounty jobs to help keep them all running and growing. He grew his army successfully and became rather powerful with it. He then took a few smaller victories from the empire while still growing. Eventually the empire fell before he could really do to much big but he survives much longer. I’m sure that’s how it goes. Yep. Definitely.
There is also that one T-series droid that had the brilliant idea on Christophsis to fight like a soviet comissar on the roof (while it is clearly not his job) and got his head ripped apart for analisys. Just brilliant
T series tactical droids are probably one of the coolest and most unique CIS droids, my personal top 5 favorites are TV-94 K2-B4 TX-20 TA-175 The one over umbara
k2 b4 was made purple and yellow to nod at the la lakers fans who worked on the show, and k2b4 is an abbreviationfor Kobe Bryant 24, may he rest in peace
Droids low-key have a fear of death or in the own words: "Being deactivated" It's actually pretty sad because they think they're alive and the ones that know thy aren't real and try to act cold and tough, deep down don't want to "die" either really. It brings up the question of taking life from something that gains Sentience and if taking a machines life and consciousness really right. If you'll do it to a machine then you'll do it to a person as well..
Primary flaw: Lack of improvisational abilities. Always acts according to predictions, completely unable to revise the plan in motion when new data is introduced, unless the new data was expected and accounted for in the prediction.
Im the empire I will end the war when their forces are spread out. The T series factories will be shutdown. I will then order 66 pies from ebay. The pewdiepie order will be hunted. And a new order will be placed as *THE 5 MINUTE CRAFTS EMPIRE* (This would be crazy if it actually happened) *FOR THE REPUBLIC!!! (SUB TO PEWDIEPIE!!!)*
In reality, AI would be much more capable than a human of correctly making decisions. But my gripe with this show is that they didn't even bother giving the droids any depth and made them childishly stupid.
@@andrewaftontheandroidhedge2780 Everyone calls it the Venator class star destroyer. Its classyfied as a carier. But in the clone wars everyone refers to it as a cruiser ,,Destroy that cruiser!" ,,We need to stop the separatists from blowing up that cruiser!"
Before watching the video, my guess is that they always seem to overestimate their chances because we only ever see them when they're confident in success since they're smart enough to beat it if they think they're going to lose; in other words, they're usually right but we only see them during the instances where they think they will win and therefore stand and fight but end up losing.
I think the thing about tactical droids being defeated always is that they are programmed to fight military tacticians not jedis trying to act like one. Jedi do things that are bizarre and illogical actions. They are trained to defeat enemies with fewer number either by defeat them in detail or surround them. They expects the actions of the enemies to be objectively and standard.
We're kicking off droid week with an interesting topic, what's your thought on Tactical Droids? Discuss this in my discord discord.gg/geetslys
Hi Geetsly 😚😙😗😘😍
@@pandapeo4209 Hey
@@geetslys love the video show these droids some love!
I like the idea of a droid week
To overconfident... the super tac droid however is pretty good
Tactical droids externally: There is a 99% chance of victory
Tactical droids internally: There is a 99% chance of defeat
Tactical droids internally: *Indian music*
Fixed the typo for you
@@jaredgameplay2054 man you are not funny we won you lost so go away
@@Potato79207 I love how you couldn't choose a relevant comment to attack so you went for a reply which is one month old, bruh.
@tyreece dont bully him
@@Potato79207 thats true he wasnt funny
"There is 99% chance to victory"
I got X-com flashbacks from this words.
Man I feel you
95% chance to hit a crucial shot on that sectopod thats about to flatten your ranger...
Well that means leeroy jenkins is about to die is'nt he..
@@dtly50 missing those 100% shots.........and yet we always come back
And then you hit a trooper with 1 health with 5% chance to hit and crit for 12 damage
Fallout 3. Nuff said. Now off to my PTSD group therapy!
In Universe?
Palpatine probably had them Nerfed, just like half the things the CIS used.
Yeah, especially when that one almost killed Anakin?
Probably made their OS Windows 98 or some shit.
I mean, so did the republic
@@awildfilingcabinet6239 He MinMaxed the Republic (which had far fewer troops and Ships) and only his holding back the CIS saved them.
Valve, please fix.
Battlefront 2 CIS 'Announcer' B-Droid when *losing* a round:
"Perfectly executed within a substantial margin of error."
"prepare for memory wipe."
I love that condescending fuck xD
Sounds like a wiseguy.
“Failure, failure, failure, failure, failure”
"Impossible, the probability of that is 10000:1"
So, it's possible? 6:25
"Thats not possible, even though it is, it can't be possible"
He didn't calculate that his opponent had plot armor since they don't die in revenge of the sith.
“So you’re saying there’s a chance?”
@@AlbinoKneecapswell Fives died before Revenge of the Sith.
TX-21 was ironically correct. He correctly proved that the Super Tank was "Impervious to all weapons" when a thermal detonator exploded on the Super Tank, dealing no damage...but destroying TX-21 mid-sentence.
Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.
@@keulron2290 His confidence was his weakness.
@@keulron2290 is it possible to learn this power?
@@i_chosen_one_ips432 Not from a Jedi Droid.
@@keulron2290 because there aren't Jedi droids
My suspicion is that tactical droids work the same basic way that chess computers work: They have records of a whole bunch of real and simulated/scrimmaged battles, analyze those for common threads and patterns and then use that to determine what is likely to happen, hence their constant mentioning of "odds." This leaves them with an obvious weakness when facing highly unconventional or innovative opponents, since they still suffer the lack of creativity most droids have. The T-series also doesn't seem like it is very good at understanding human/alien psychology, a weakness that the Supertactical Droid seems to have compensated for.
Pretty much this. The T-series tactical droids were too clingy to probability odds and as a result the easiest way to beat them was simply to implement a nonsensical strategy regardless of how ridiculous it is since T-series tactical droids couldn't adapt to changing battlefield conditions in any way. The Super Tactical Droids were designed to factor in unpredictable odds as variables rather than simply discard them, which made a crazy huge difference.
This is exactly the reason computers are so strong at pre-defined games (chess, go, checkers, etc) but are crazy bad at doing anything that has irregularities in it. Look at the reCaptcha boy test- it’s literally asking a computer to identify pictures. How tf do you do that?
Mentlegen well see the thing about RTS games is that the AI usually has a limited set of behaviours it can follow, so it's much easier for players to figure out what the AIs plan is and adapt to that (or just screw around with the AI) than it is for the AI to know what you're doing even if you're just using tried and true tactics.
They sure as shit got the sequel right, at least
@@QualityPen accept that even with our crappy "ai" today Google's alpha star can beat champion starcraft players every time, even when handicapped up the anus
I’m gonna assume it has something to do with the magic space wizards
The ones with laser swords?
I suppose that would make some sense
THE FBI Yep. Checks out. Magic space wizards again.
*magic space clerics
*Space Voodo magic
Everybody analytical till the space wizards start twirlin
This needs more lpve
I think TV-94 is still at some fault for forgetting that the very arm he was holding had been sliced off of his body
Same ,also why was he chirping during that scene,was he scared or was it just for comedy or what?
It always seemed wierd for a tactical Droid
Nomad it was actually a kind of laugh. If u watch the episode it made sense with in the context of the fight before and the dialogue
if i was him i would head butt the button to press it or push it with my head its the only smart way if it was cut off
@@andrewaftontheandroidhedge2780 or use your thump to press it like an actual remote
@@slappybio1686 what if the arm is too big and the fingers are to small
In battlefront 2, the droid even says in heroes vs villains that he has had an error in the calculations
Huh, admitting fault. When did that upgrade come in?
kenobi brings the deathsticks
Based upon this battle I calculate less then a1% chance of wagging a successful rebellion against he empire
*I AM GOING TO SAY THE C WORD*
*CLANKER*
THAT’S RACIST you CAN’T say the C WORD!!
Miss PADME GET DOWN
*Shakes in utter fear.*
This is the reason the us went to war with you.
Execute Order 66
Very interesting topic. It’s crazy how often these droids mess up in the Clone Wars.
Also, I had no idea that Ashley Eckstein voiced K2-B4. It’s pretty hard to tell.
I am loving March clone madness
Thanks
- well Not now that i’ve been told. xD
"But sir there are still hundreds of droids on board!0
"I don't care!"
Oh don't worry, just like the conscripts in COH2; I'm sure they all died as heroes...;D
Or like the Imperial Guard from WH40k. You know, because they never died like idiots.
Honestly I wish the clone wars didn't downplay the Confederacy so much. Also when the tactical Droid left Tambor to get captured on Ryloth I was like damn
I liked the original grittiness and realistic brutality of Clone Wars (2003)
It's probably because the clone wars is a "kids show" so they had to have to good guys win
Luke The Legend not just that, but we do know in RoTS that the Republic would win the conflict against the CIS.
You can’t win the war if all we saw is the Republic having their asses kicked.
@@alexanderchristopher6237 the republic only won due to palpatines interference as he planned to turn the republic into the empire. If we gave both factions their armies etc but removed palpatine completely the confederacy would win in the end. Massively and insanely outnumber the republic, superior navy, most of its military leaders were people with actual shit tons of combat experience as opposed to the jedi being peace keepers and hadnt involved themselves in a major war since the mando wars depending on which canon you go by so they shouldnt be compotent at all. The droids in the films were much better where they were a silent swarm kind of thing but they are just comic relief in tcw.
Of course the republic wouldnt even have a clone army without palpatine but for the sake of the scenario the republic has them
Luke The Legend thr clone wars ended in an extreme sad end
"Sometimes, being a good soldier means doing what you think is right; that's why we're superior to droids."
Cant say that about that one droid that assassinated its commander to come out with a victory. Seeing as to how it saw that the commander was refusing to make the right decision, it did it for them... after it had them killed. It did what it thought was right to succeed, though in a much darker way.
@@wruenvadam A fair point, but I would venture to say that droids like that are quite uncommon.
@@raymondkunkel642 Well there's no doubt about that, but still I would surmise to say that while it may far from common for the T-series droids, I think such behavior would be a bit more common for the Super Tactical Droids, based on what we have seen from the very few that appeared in the show. They seem to have a somewhat greater capacity for doing things a bit outside of what the average droid can do. Honestly if i were to put their capability of strategy on a scale, it would sit on the same scale as chess players and SuTac droids would probably rate 2000+, up there with some of the masters and certainly a worthy opponent of any strategist and tactician worth their mettle, whereas a standard T-series Tactical Droid would maybe rate down in the 1400-1500 range on average, which is the win some and lose others range. still above absolute average but not amazing. and the ones below them i would probably give 1200. Thats the way I see it at least. I think we should get a video on the various Super Tactical Droids in Star Wars. I feel it might be pretty interesting.
@@wruenvadam The mayor part of the CIS commanders are garbage anyway .
They are a traitor, blast them. This quote carries no relevance, Captain Argious (guessed spelling) just said it to get Ashoka to leave so he could free Gunray.
I won't deny this: Tactical droids do look pretty cool and I love their voices.
Same
I AM A CLONE! THAT IS OFFENDING THE ENTIRE GRAND ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC!!!
i remember that tactical droid "ha-ha-ha" when he tried to kill that Jedi in grievous intrigue
Saaaaaame
They're like a lighter Soundwave.
T series Bot: “The odds of a republic victory are seven hundred forty two to One”
Obi - (one) : “Hello there”
Hello there
General Kenobi
Geetsly's: "PLS let us know wheter or not you like droid weeks concept"
me: ROGER ROGER
What about in Rebels the one who predicted a 1% change of waging a successful rebellion against the empire
Based
Puppersnupper based
Roger Roger
Okay, I’ll clear the air.
No one can say “Clanker” with the hard “r”. That’s their word. You have to say it like “Clanka”.
But what if I'm a droid
Clankerrrrrr
What if i'm german? KLANKER!
JA, HANS!
edgehead26 clanker clanker clanker
It's also important to note that many of their defeats were actually the result of not their incompetence but the superior competence of their enemies. It can be very easy to forget that watching a movie or TV show in this case is basically like going on a ride along with the best of the best in any given group. This will make everyone around them look highly incompetent by comparison. It's also very difficult to calculate the force variable. One thing I'd like to see is a series of videos based on a type of droid you would design and/or the way you would implement a given technology. I think installing purpose built droid brains directly into every turret(turbolaser, laser, point defense, etc. And programmed exclusively for that function, would have been far more effective than having B-1 battledroids operate gunner stations the way a person would. They could even be linked to a specialized fire control station for greater efficiency.
That sounds expensive as fuck even for the CIS.
Most of the ships and vehicles CIS used were meant for organic pilots.
@@ExecutiveSonda Not really and all of their designs were modular so they could easily be refit for unmanned operatoon.
2:24 oh, so that's where Obi Wan's defensive rush in Battlefront 2 came from.
Oh my god. I always though it looked out of place because I never remembered him doing it
No his rush came from the fight of general grevious and obi wan in episode 3
When a programmer that doesn't understand a thing about military tactics has to program a tactical droid that will lead thousands of other stupid droid that were programmed by programmers whose only experience with guns and battlefield were with CoD
A programmer doesn't have to know much about strategy or military tactics to make a machine capable of beating military generals. The machine that beat the world's best chess player wasn't made by a chess player, it was made by IMB programmers who didn't even play chess. The program was designed to adapt and learn every time it failed to beat an opponent. It may have completely sucked at the beginning but eventually it beat the world champion chess player because of its self learning ability.
@@cirrusfox8052 it has info on whats happens though it cant learn if it cant actually learn
@@popinmo that depends what you count as learning. A human doing something and then not doing it again you would count as learning. So the Ai being able to remember what worked and didn't would be technically saying it is learning
Cirrus Fox your argument have two flaws
1- even if the programmers weren’t chess players, they knew the rules
2- the general droid shouldn’t learn by his mistakes because if he loses he get destroyed
@@TheJoker-qo4fg I mean knowing the rules and being able to play are different . And the droids would still be able to learn because it can have back up data stores. And also the droids mostly lose because they follow a break "logic" meaning ok this position is heavily dug in let's not attack but humans ok charge fuck it
5:49 I love how he looks at his arm, looks away and then immediately looks back at his arm like "Wait a fuckin minute minute".
“A serious problem in planning against Rupublic doctrine is that the Jedi do not read their manuals, nor do they feel any obligation to follow their doctrine.”
Especially if the Jedi one's facing is Anakin, who straight up has no doctrine or tactic other than always choosing the most absurd plans and having to self preservation instinct.
glitterboy2098 the republic of MERICA 😤
@@greatthemeedits1252 they cant predict and counter our plans if even we dont know what we are gonna do next
B1 battle droid talking to TX7:
B1 Battle droid: There isn't a chace of us winning if we don't on the defensive sir.
TX7: Don't worry there is a 100% chance of winning for us!
Droid logic. At it's finest.
Before I even watch...
My theory was that, very much like many of the Jedi and Kaminoans, the Seperatists just underestimated and undervalued the individuality and uniqueness of the clones. They also massively underestimated Jedi like Kit Fisto, Mace Windu and especially General Skywalker!
They used calculations based on the clones behaving exactly like robots, following orders perfectly and not deviating from set tactics and those orders were calculated from poor information on the Jedi.
Most people knew very little about Jedis as individuals and probably used a single algorithm or calculation for most if not all of them... I'm betting any outliers like Mace and his darker approach, Anakin and his crazy risky tactics and very individualistic clones, or Obi Wan who knew he wasn't a General and allowed his Clones and Cody make massive decisions...
They just didn't have enough information to work with. They were working with bad information and calculating victory based on assumptions that all Jedi were very similar if not the same, and that all clones were the same.
Also, I assume the Droids assumed the Clones and Jedi would be "Logical" more often than they were. Jedi were driven by emotion much more than they'd like to admit, but it made them hard to calculate. They wouldn't retreat when it would be logical, they would go fight an entire army to rescue 3 clones, they would raze half the galaxy to track down a lost droid... shit that makes absolutely no logical sense.
That is my theory.
GG Tac Droids. You came close, but you just couldn’t hit the mark.
That's very likely the reason
This is the best theory. Maybe they even reused the algorithm that the Tactical Droids were using to command their armies to predict what the Republic would do? How long did the people who programmed Tactical Droids have between them knowing they would be at war with the Republic and when there actually was war? If they only had a few months, I can believe they would reuse that algorithm just because it takes less time.
That works from an overarching perspective, but we all know the main reason is plot armour. In general the droids were since the film episode 1 designed to be childish buffoons in general for thematic reasons and the clone wars series stayed true to this type.
When you add on the need for the heroes to not die and in turn to win at the end of the day the result is droids just being terrible. One of the best examples of this is commando droids, the only droids that typically do seem competent... until the heroes need to win at which point they become mind numbingly incompetent (with maybe one notable exception). Even magna guards mostly seemed pretty incapable save for Dooku's yellow boys.
Honestly it's the one big failing in the series (with the only real exceptions being force users) that the CIS usually seem like buffoons easily overcome, instead of a dangerous foe that is overcome through the heros daring and ingenuity.
Does not compute.
Does not compute.
Does not compute.
Does not compute.
Does not compute.
Were there any organic troopers in the CIS? (Not counting officers)
Theoretically yes because the Genosians were aligned with the CIS and other planets
Only planetary defenses/armies of CIS controlled planets had organic troops like Umbara
yes there was a lot actually
@@geetslys So , basically they used the droids to attack the repubblic and the organics to defend their own planets. Quite a good tactic actually.
They had also mechanics in legends after the automated factories got blown in the war but this was late war
The droids: "There is a 99% chance of victory"
Xcom players: * *sweats nervously* *
TF-1726: “this taking to long, blow up the ship!”
B1 battle droid: “ but sir, there are still droids on the ships!”
TG-1726: “I don’t care, you bunch only cost $1.5 dollar to made.”
B1 battle droid: “😢, roger roger”
Battle I calculate a less then 1%chance of a successful rebellion against the empire
Actually, it's only 1,000 credits *woooosh*
"But, sir, there are still hundreds of droids on board!"
"The chances of me caring are 0%!"
@@smartass0124 Negative, As stated my forces are severely depleted, i calculate mounting a successful Rebellion against Empire is less than 1%, do not dare mock me, fleshbag
"Why were Tactical Droids almost always Wrong in the Clone Wars?"
Let me save you ten minutes. *Because they were dealing with magical space wizards*
To be fair, i cant win against a magic space frog on ketamine with a lazer sword
9:30 “they weren’t good at predicting the unpredictable” wow, it’s almost like it’s unpredictable or something
The moral of the story of tactical droids: Never tell me the odds!
STDs were cooler.
I meant super tactical droids, not....
*sigh*
Ah yes.. Commander Chlamydia
Sergeant Syphilis we've been waiting for your arrival
@@heavybutternug5709 Commander HIV has taken over the System.
Admiral Aids is here to take charge.
@@solidsnake8330 this is the second funniest thing i have seen all week.
here's the thing I love and hate about the Star Wars universe
you can make a plan you can find every little detail and get it just right
but if the force wants you to lose you are going to
the power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the plot armor
I always assumed Palpatine made it so nothing more than the very basic Jedi/Force User related information was withheld from their programming. While the Super Tactical Droid was made just to placate the CIS leaders, "No guys, this one totally knows how to deal with Jedi, totally, trust me"
That's what I thought, more of Palpatine's plan...
@@3dpyromaniac560 General Kalani was too smart for Palpatine. He refused the shutdown code, deeming it a Republic trick. (The same reason a group of Clone Commandos in Legends refused Order 66, thinking it was a Separatist trick.)
@@QualityPen but they should be able to learn as they go, especially if they share all the data they acquire with each other
@@QualityPen Which is why it would have made sense if they constantly uploaded that information on a database, which would function similarly to a hivemind.
Something like this would have made CIS battle droids way more cost-efficient and overall more efficient (something they were never intended to be), especially considering they got almost an infinite amount of droids functioning as training dummies.
Droid week? HECK YEAH!
👀
I like both of your UA-cam videos
DALEY! I have been subscribed to you both for a while now, can I have a shout out please?
I am a clone so I naturally hate droida
Yeet
2:43 He's named after the now unfortunately dead Kobe Bryant. K being kobe 2 from twentyfour B being Bryant and the 4 from twentyfour. K2B4, also his color scheme is that of the Lakers.
Burrito Bowl01 yup
Wow
This was 11 months ago before the crash..
Burrito Bowl01 he didn’t edit it and either way there is a 99% chance there is not anything related to Bryant by the name B4
@@senatorlight027 Like a tactical droid, you're quoting odds while failing to take all factors into account. Members of the Clone Wars crew have said that it was a reference to Kobe.
I disagree, TV-94 didnt fail because of Grievous tactics, but because he was too confident and ignorant (got carried away when laughing about torturing Master Koth).
I can't wait to see someone like Kalani covered next or the really rare battle droids. Like sniper droidekas and B3
B2 Grapple Droids or Air Battle Droids
I'd like to see the Skorpenek Annihilator Droid
What about the L8-L9 droid that totally awesome in the 2003 Star Wars the Clone Wars?
As if the B2 wasn't enough of a headache!
Trench's droid was going through some voice changes as well, apparently.
An underestimation of clone and Jedi resourcefulness combined with a lack of emotions and no ability to read the enemy is the main flaws with the T series droid
Because the droids can't account for the Deus Ex Machina factor. That's not something most can account for.
There is 1 person in movie history that accounted for it.
The villian in watchmen
Dude, I was watching some highlights of the clone wars, and the plot armor is stronger than batman, I swear.
"No plan survived contact with the enemies.
change your tactic as the battle continue"
a simple tip that most of the tactical droid never had in their mainframe.
What type of droid could ignore the Shutdown command? I know Super Tactical Droids, but could standard Tactical Droids do it as well?
Probably given the situation.
Tactical droids were a good decision. The real failure of the CiS wasn't strategic but tactical. (The name there causes a bit of a oddity) Tactical droids were excellent commanders and command support with great strategic grasp, but they weren't designed as field officers, something which the CiS lacked and apparently refused to address.
What's more the best way the CiS could have kept their own people more invested in the war further lowering costs and keeping public support in the face of any economic difficulties, would have been to train and field organic field officers for the army. Specifically field officers who are drilled to recognize the droids as battlefield assets, not at sentient beings. Train these men and woman that droids were just extensions of their own warfighting ability, rather than squadmates and that optimal use of the droids as weapons to achieve their field goals was what was needed.
Using a droid as a shield while advancing, sacrificing part of the squad for an advantage to eliminate a clone squad ect. And generally moving the droids further away from the incredibly simplistic phalanx formations and more into extensions of the CiS warfighters.
Because they can't comprehend the force?
Because Anakin always subverts their expectations
@@QualityPen until the jedi and other innovative and creative commanders show up etc then they are fucked only way for them to stand a chance is to get a idea of what unconventual tactics could be used and have backup plans in place to handle it.
I believe it’s called plot armor. I still plan to re whatch the clone wars series on Netflix for the 5 time.
Since Palpatine was really in control on both sides wouldn't their "inaccuracies" be part of his overall plan?
The reason why they’re usually wrong is because they are
T-Series
Here before all the haters
@@ivangomez9862 Me too.
They’ve got Ligma
These characters embody the idea of "The moment your opponent starts bragging, you've won." The tactical droids are always declaring victory before it is acted out; (w/numbers like 99%); always falling for a false sense of security and then being bit in the arse ; quite interesting really
I legit just watched the Battle of Ryloth on UA-cam, and I was wondering about why Tactical Droids are almost always wrong too😂😂
The real answer is plot armor
“I’m as impressed as my programming allows”
-some tactical droid in SWBF2
As the Mandalorian states “no droids”
Now I see why these droids were so evil, they won't subscribe to PewDiePie.
Gotta do our part
@@geetslys SUB TO PEWDS
I am a clone and I subscribed to Pewdipie
Not subbing to that trash
Those basic droids in the hanger were on break to help defrag all the spaghetti coded v1.0.1 OS junk.
It's like taking a win95 designed system and somehow putting Vista1.0, bloatware and all into it.
Korstmahler bro what
"sir, we can't get past the planetary shield!"
"Dump some dirt on that shit."
The plot armour in TCW is a pathway to many abilities. Some considered to be. Unnatural
Tactical Droid: We have a 100% chance of victory.
The Republic: THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE WRONG KIDDO
I think that's the best thumbnail ever created lmao
There is a 99% chance that I calculated wrong
4:11 I wish more b1s were on the good side, utilized properly instead of just throwing them away they could be effective. Also they are funny as hell
I really liked how Kalany used them in Rebels, firing at the Jedi who accurately deflected their shots on to the Imperial walkers.
In rebels the droids fight the imperial forces,
Forgot which episode
@@jaredgameplay2054 yea that's with rex I think.
The droids never account for the living soul. And that is the hardest thing to predict.
Am I the only one who thinks how the tactical droids talk is the most satisfying voices of all time?
I love a droid week!
Please put up some awesome droids such as the BX-series, C21-Highsinger, SD-X series, 2T-DS, SD-10....
They just had improper programming as to the abilities of Jedi and underestimated them.
Garbage In, Garbage Out. …
I think if the CIS had more spiders they would win
Anyone else still love how the droids in the supply ship at umbara had a "break time"
Tactical Droid : our chance of victory is 100%
Plot Armored Heroes : how about no ?
Love the videos keep up the great work 👍🏻
2:44 - damn thats the kobe droid 😔
Gino Cristobal 😞
I wonder what happened to Kalani after Star Wars rebels
MEEEE TOOOOOOOOO
He followed the dreams of many and ultimately RECREATED THE CONFEDERACY
ReallyX he slowly traveled the galaxy finding and reactivating as many droids and ships as he could, and he and his droids took bounty jobs to help keep them all running and growing. He grew his army successfully and became rather powerful with it. He then took a few smaller victories from the empire while still growing. Eventually the empire fell before he could really do to much big but he survives much longer. I’m sure that’s how it goes. Yep. Definitely.
3:00 has a cool tie striker tattoo.
There is also that one T-series droid that had the brilliant idea on Christophsis to fight like a soviet comissar on the roof (while it is clearly not his job) and got his head ripped apart for analisys. Just brilliant
T series tactical droids are probably one of the coolest and most unique CIS droids, my personal top 5 favorites are
TV-94
K2-B4
TX-20
TA-175
The one over umbara
They always sounded more robotic than the other war robots
3:30 is no one gonna mention how this guy is trying to choke a droid?
he's probably in a position to break their cables
Tactical Droid-Series
In short: T-Series
Or t droids
Kb 24 is a tribute to Kobe Bryant (his number on his shirt is 24) for all the developers who where fans of the NBA.
RIP Kobe Bryant.
k2 b4 was made purple and yellow to nod at the la lakers fans who worked on the show, and k2b4 is an abbreviationfor Kobe Bryant 24, may he rest in peace
What was his goal? Intimidate a cold tactical droid with choking? I dont think so😅
Droids low-key have a fear of death or in the own words: "Being deactivated"
It's actually pretty sad because they think they're alive and the ones that know thy aren't real and try to act cold and tough, deep down don't want to "die" either really. It brings up the question of taking life from something that gains Sentience and if taking a machines life and consciousness really right. If you'll do it to a machine then you'll do it to a person as well..
BlackShogun 27 that was surprisingly deep
More like he was just venting his frustration.
Will there be more of general yeetsleys on gmod
Hopefully but my schedule is filled and its hard to make time in my day to play gmod, let alone record/stream it
5:39
Geetly’s: because general grievous tactics failed
Uhhh don’t you mean admiral trenche’s tactics
I always thought whenever i see that umbara scene "droids have break time, have they unionized or something"
Primary flaw: Lack of improvisational abilities. Always acts according to predictions, completely unable to revise the plan in motion when new data is introduced, unless the new data was expected and accounted for in the prediction.
T-series were overconfident about their victory, just like T-series, but like the republic, pewdiepie will always remain on top
So whos the Empire
Funstun 123123 5 minutecrafts is
@@Funstun-yk7oo the empire is not even in this time era/period
SO TRUE!! I subscribe to Pewdipie
Im the empire I will end the war when their forces are spread out. The T series factories will be shutdown. I will then order 66 pies from ebay. The pewdiepie order will be hunted. And a new order will be placed as *THE 5 MINUTE CRAFTS EMPIRE*
(This would be crazy if it actually happened)
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"Never tell me the odds." - Han Solo
K2-B4 was named after Kobe Bryant rip
"due to the sheer amount of unpredictableness"
fvourite thing ever
2:44 it’s nice to see how Star Wars somehow payed tribute to Kobe from the past💜💛
That droid was added years before because one of the people who worked on the show loved kobe
Why didn't the CIS use heavy ships for destorying the Jedi crusiers?
The Providence class cruiser/carriers could challenge and maybe even beat a Venator in combat.
I’d say beat
they did...the lucrehulk
@@fruitloops1481 a providence would beat a venator
@@tacotown4598 Providence-class cruiser could fuck up a Venator-class star destroyer.
they are like any AI, unable to compute the other side cheating or calculate pure randomness
In reality, AI would be much more capable than a human of correctly making decisions. But my gripe with this show is that they didn't even bother giving the droids any depth and made them childishly stupid.
The Venator class Cruiser
The most cursed 4 words i have ever heard/said
i just say RSD aka republic star destroyer
@@andrewaftontheandroidhedge2780 Everyone calls it the Venator class star destroyer.
Its classyfied as a carier.
But in the clone wars everyone refers to it as a cruiser
,,Destroy that cruiser!"
,,We need to stop the separatists from blowing up that cruiser!"
@@liker-qd4fz im not saying your way is wrong im just saying RSD is just the way i say it im not trying to make you say it tho
"This is taking too looooong! Destroy that cruiser!"
"But Sir, there are still hundreds of droids on board!"
"I DON'T CAAARE!"
"Roger roger."
Savage
Before watching the video, my guess is that they always seem to overestimate their chances because we only ever see them when they're confident in success since they're smart enough to beat it if they think they're going to lose; in other words, they're usually right but we only see them during the instances where they think they will win and therefore stand and fight but end up losing.
I think the thing about tactical droids being defeated always is that they are programmed to fight military tacticians not jedis trying to act like one. Jedi do things that are bizarre and illogical actions. They are trained to defeat enemies with fewer number either by defeat them in detail or surround them. They expects the actions of the enemies to be objectively and standard.
I just realised.
Flip ezra’s blue lightsaber upside down and it makes a blue P
T-seris
Now where have I heard that before?
It is T-Series
@@US_of_A whoosh
He misspelled Series
@@US_of_A crisis averted
@@lukez9721 NOPE WHY WE WON YOU LOST SO GO AWAY! Pewdieshit is BAD and unfunny (if you dont like it LIVE WITH IT)
I love the Battlefront 2 CIS tactical Droid, she holds so much contempt for her troops
4:07 this sum dominance shit right here lmfao