Tense : English Has No Future

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  • @Keepcalmandcupcakes
    @Keepcalmandcupcakes 3 роки тому +568

    I've always wanted to make a conlang that is used by a fictional race where time-travel is so normalized that their language has tenses and moods baked in to talk about relative pasts, presents, and futures that are constantly in flux because of their actions, and this video has gotten me one step closer to actually realizing it. Thank you!

    • @Aya_32125
      @Aya_32125 3 роки тому +23

      nice basic name you got there

    • @depressionbomb
      @depressionbomb 3 роки тому +21

      Or for a kind of fictional race that is ever-knowing, they remember what happens in the future, past, and present, and their consciousness can sometimes just shift around across the flow of their lifespan, at one point they're 50 years old and another 230 and then 160

    • @Aya_32125
      @Aya_32125 3 роки тому +1

      @:O🍡 lol
      also here's you but vertical for no reason:
      Ö
      _🍡_

    • @John-mf6ky
      @John-mf6ky 2 роки тому +6

      Sounds interesting..
      Any progress? ☺️

    • @theidealist1019
      @theidealist1019 2 роки тому +3

      And I've tried to invent modal verbs to describe such tenses in English (like how the verb 'will' creates the future tense). But I always get too confused thinking about multiple reference points.

  • @baptistefaussat
    @baptistefaussat 6 років тому +1076

    I'm afraid you mixed up the French tenses: Je mange is the present tense, while je mangeais is the past tense, not the other way around.

    • @apeiron-logos
      @apeiron-logos 6 років тому +58

      Tout à fait ! ^^

    • @chevtothemax
      @chevtothemax 6 років тому +87

      I thought it was weird that the past tense looked like the unmodified root while the present tense looked like it was modified. A conlang that did that would be neat however, would say something about the culture that speaks the language.

    • @johan8221
      @johan8221 6 років тому +13

      Je confirme.
      Yep, Baptiste Faussat is right, y'know.

    • @IsaacPrinTheNerd
      @IsaacPrinTheNerd 6 років тому +20

      Merci! I was hoping someone said it! And besides, past tense sometimes includes a form of avoir. J'ai mangé. I have eaten.

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +224

      Crap! Will put the correction in the description. Thanks for the heads up.

  • @nicholasgroves8478
    @nicholasgroves8478 6 років тому +433

    You give me a completely unnecessary Avatar TLA reference, I give you a thumbs up.
    We got a deal?

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +77

      Deal! :)

    • @TabiiKnutschaa
      @TabiiKnutschaa 6 років тому +3

      And game of thrones - I already love your channel after the first video!

    • @sofiac6911
      @sofiac6911 6 років тому +2

      i was so caught off guard but it was lovely

    • @danielk2055
      @danielk2055 5 років тому +6

      Flameo, Hotman!

    • @digilici951
      @digilici951 4 роки тому +3

      *my cabbages*

  • @largefella4341
    @largefella4341 6 років тому +1578

    The past, present, and future walk into a bar...
    It was *_tense_*
    -I can't make original jokes-

  • @DTux5249
    @DTux5249 6 років тому +823

    Who else got a chuckle about the "English has no future" joke

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +99

      Yay! I made a joke. :)

    • @DTux5249
      @DTux5249 6 років тому +51

      Artifexian I was surprised you didn't bring up Chinese for the total uselessness of tense conjugation, but it was interesting to see the languages people don't often hear of

    • @htoodoh5770
      @htoodoh5770 6 років тому +2

      DeluxeTux5249 lol

    • @tissuepaper9962
      @tissuepaper9962 6 років тому +11

      DeluxeTux5249
      Chinese tenses are actually really similar to English. The particle 了(le) acts in much the same way as the English "-ed" suffix, as it follows the verb and denotes the past tense. The word 要 (yǎo) is used similarly to the word "will", preceding the verb and denoting a future tense, the only difference being that 要 can also be used to say "I want to..." as well as "I will..."
      So, much like English, there are no true grammatical tenses, but instead words to denote aspect.
      Edit: I'm not saying English has no grammatical tenses, but it's close.

    • @DTux5249
      @DTux5249 6 років тому +4

      TissuePaper tense I'm not saying it wasn't similar (ing suffix is similar to the word zài), but in English verbs conjugate for tense (the word changes), while in Chinese another word is added, (I actually studied Chinese for a bit, didn't get anywhere though)
      If you couldn't tell I'm not good at saying what I mean

  • @eruyommo
    @eruyommo 6 років тому +246

    Some Mayan languages have a remote tense that does not care about future or past. So the system is better represented with a circle. The present is at the bottom of the circle, the left is the past, the future is the right and the top is remote tense.

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +84

      Coool.

    • @pierreabbat6157
      @pierreabbat6157 6 років тому +24

      Lojban has zi/za/zu to indicate temporal distance and vi/va/vu to indicate spatial distance. But it also has tense markers to indicate past, future, north, south, left, right, etc.

    • @DecimusYna
      @DecimusYna 6 років тому +9

      What the heck? That's really interesting.

    • @eruyommo
      @eruyommo 6 років тому +40

      mPky1 It's a gramatical feature that indicates that the verb's action takes place in a far time, regardless of whether it's in the future or the past.
      In Mayan cosmology, it has a relationship with the idea that time is cyclical, and that something sufficiently far in the past will eventually happen again in the future. That's why the direction of time does not matter, only distance.

    • @NappingWanderer
      @NappingWanderer 6 років тому +7

      Erómeon that's pretty sick, I'll have to study up on that. Do you know some examples of said languages?

  • @icannotchoose
    @icannotchoose 6 років тому +856

    1:49 you mixed up the past and present in french

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +123

      Yes. Sorry. Correction in the top line of the description.

    • @Dracopol
      @Dracopol 6 років тому +9

      French dictation says everybody starts off hypothetically perfect, and then take off points for every mistake. But it is the custom NEVER to give perfect marks out of 20 for ANY course. Since no one is perfect, everyone is human. This is ultimately a strong republican secular principle (no kings, no perfect beings!)

    • @TheMinustarian
      @TheMinustarian 6 років тому +9

      About that I would rarely say "je mangerai" when speaking. I would instead use a periphrastic form "je vais manger". In writing though, I might actually prefer the future form.

    • @simonpascaud3715
      @simonpascaud3715 6 років тому +7

      Stellan Crendraven Not everytime, the form " je vais manger" is used for a future that will happend right next the sentence. When you say " je mangerai", it's more in a further future, like " je mangerai demain" compared to " je vais manger tout à l'heure" :).

    • @TheMinustarian
      @TheMinustarian 6 років тому +1

      Simon Pascaud I can't say that I'm authority in French although it's my mother tongue I tend to go more towards periphrastic construction like in the Germanic larguantes. But that comes mostly from speaking Danish on a daily basic. (For reference I didn't speak anything but French until I was ~15 yo.)

  • @eruyommo
    @eruyommo 6 років тому +179

    When Artifexian gives a whole semester of Geology in a couple of videos, he's not satisfied, now he has taught a whole semester of Morphology.
    Believe me, I've gone to both lectures in my two majors. He has covered the whole curriculum of Geology for Engineers and will have covered (perfect future? Nice, I'm practicing!) the whole of Introduction to Morphology.

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +32

      Thanks, pal. :)

    • @moslemaahmmad9950
      @moslemaahmmad9950 6 років тому

      Erómeon congratulations 🎉🎊🍾🎈!

    • @szhzs6121
      @szhzs6121 6 років тому

      wow your university is shit

    • @eruyommo
      @eruyommo 6 років тому +4

      dummdumm muddmudd Or maybe, they were introductory courses in first semester, and I was simplifying a little bit.
      In geology, we learned to classify a lot of rocks and their chemical compounds, and I agree that the particular professor was shitty.
      In morphology, we only saw these concepts because the course was designed more like a work meeting (? I don't know the English term) where the professor explained a concept in fifteen minutes and then he gave us a corpus to figure it out for real in an actual language. Now I see almost any language with its translation and can figure out every grammatical feature shown in the sample. I think that's not shitty.

    • @moslemaahmmad9950
      @moslemaahmmad9950 6 років тому

      Erómeon lecture ?

  • @eostyrwinn5018
    @eostyrwinn5018 6 років тому +201

    I got an Artifexian video and a Nativlang video in the same day! It's like christmas in summer!

    • @merrittanimation7721
      @merrittanimation7721 6 років тому +22

      Eos Xo So like Australia but in the northern hemisphere?

    • @finnsalsa9304
      @finnsalsa9304 6 років тому +3

      Hello there my fellow Nativlang & Artifexian viewer! Merry Christmas! :D

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +11

      Haha! Best comment. :)

    • @eednb4257
      @eednb4257 6 років тому

      +Eos Me too!

    • @Dracopol
      @Dracopol 6 років тому

      Definitely more tenses in French (and concern about aspects and mood built-in). So you have to memorize a lot of IF...THEN pairs where the verb-form with the IF phrase must determine the verb-form you'll use with the THEN phrase!
      Remember that French developed in musty Medieval castles where people originally spoke an evolved or DEvolved Gallo-Roman, but some Franks came in and became Germanic royalty and the new prestige language, and people pronounced their own Latin roots with new German vowel-sounds. This was THE WORST MISTAKE IN LINGUISTIC HISTORY and sets French disgustingly apart from the other Romance languages. You will need to learn 4 nasal vowels and 3 Germanic vowels WHICH ARE NOT HEARD IN ENGLISH.

  • @michaelheliotis5279
    @michaelheliotis5279 6 років тому +46

    This video brilliantly highlights one of the things I _absolutely_ love about the English language: its liberal use of auxiliary verbs to create a multitude of periphrastic verb conjugations. Such a broad capacity for tense, aspect, and mood expressions makes English so rich and functional for communicating complex events and ideas to an extent that is _relatively_ unparalleled in many other languages.

  • @snowman7514
    @snowman7514 5 років тому +29

    that's why I love Chinese, my native language. It has no tense unless you give it some.

    • @SchmulKrieger
      @SchmulKrieger Рік тому

      Still it has no tenses. I really don't appreciate languages that are with almost no grammar.

  • @bagodrago
    @bagodrago 6 років тому +549

    I love how you pronounce the letter "R" like "or". It's really caught me off guard.

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +102

      Haha! Pronouncing it like 'are' would be awesome though. I'm be like a legit pirate.

    • @qwertyTRiG
      @qwertyTRiG 6 років тому +31

      Dragonite905 It's a Dublin thing. All Dubs do it, and no one else.

    • @hebneh
      @hebneh 6 років тому +48

      "E, relative to oar, relative to S."

    • @MichaelTavares
      @MichaelTavares 6 років тому +31

      you mean off gourd :)

    • @PereMersenne
      @PereMersenne 6 років тому +6

      I have heard Northern Irish people pronounce 'H' - haytch, with emphasis on the 'ha'.

  • @Dumb-Comment
    @Dumb-Comment 6 років тому +14

    When I studied Chinese and English, I'm amazed by how advanced the Chinese language is. Not because of its complexity but because of how simple it is.

  • @RhynoD2
    @RhynoD2 6 років тому +125

    My English grammar professor, Dr. Dorothy Disterheft would strongly disagree with your argument that English has no future tense. That we use the modal "will" instead of a suffix to mark future tense doesn't change that it's still grammatical future tense. She made a point of this pretty much immediately in class (many years ago).
    Not that I'm saying you're wrong. I don't have the qualifications to say that. Just pointing out that the argument exists among grammarians.

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +60

      Ye, I hear it's fairly contentious. Just be be clear, I'm getting my info for Bernard Comrie's 'Tense' so this isn't my crack pot theory.

    • @HalfgildWynac
      @HalfgildWynac 6 років тому +18

      I think the important thing about the form is not the number of words used but rather whether the grammatical category is used regardless of its redundancy based on context.
      English definitely has plurals because most nouns are either explicitly singular or explicitly plural. You cannot speak "without number": whenever you say "a keyboard" the listener knows you mean a single item; whenever you say "keyboards" they know you mean 2 or more.
      Is expressing future obligatory? For English the answer is... sort of. On the one hand, you can say something "The train arrives at 3 a.m." in a limited set of contexts (where the schedule is rather rigid) and "We are leaving soon" in a much wider range of contexts. On the other hand, native speakers use "will" or "is going to" (or "'s gonna") far more often than it would be necessary to remove ambiguity.
      Also, I am not a native speaker but the future tense should stay consistent, should it not? Is it OK to say "I will meet you at noon. My wife comes, too. She is telling you something important."? With simple forms (bring, tells) it sounds odd to my ear. Logically, the first "will" is enough to show that you are talking about the future.

    • @magical11
      @magical11 6 років тому +13

      Chinese would fall into the same category as well. In fact, under this premise, Chinese has no tenses at all. We can only express tenses using modals, i.e. 'I will walk" and "I had walk".

    • @petrov3000
      @petrov3000 6 років тому +14

      Halfgild Wynac It's not grammatically correct. The first 'will' applies to the first verb and is needed before each successive verb, otherwise I think it changes to a present tense, third person narration.
      It does get repetitive but I guess that's why we change it up with contractions. For example:
      "I'll meet you at noon. My wife will come too. She'll tell you something important."

    • @seigeengine
      @seigeengine 6 років тому +13

      +Halfgild Wynac While someone could probably manage to figure out what you meant, the way I'd say that, changing as little as possible, as a native speaker is "I will meet you at noon. My wife is coming too She will tell you something important."
      Of course, I'd never say it like that to begin with. I'd say something more like: "My wife and I will meet you at noon, she has something important to tell you."
      Contractions will be fluidly swapped in depending on how formal I'm feeling.

  • @palompe
    @palompe 6 років тому +7

    hi! it is impossible for me to explain with words how much i have enjoyed this video. as a person who wants to spend the rest of his life doing linguistics research, it makes me very happy to find people as enthusiastic with this kind of things.

  • @typhoonzebra
    @typhoonzebra 6 років тому +622

    You and nativlang uploading in the same day? Yes please.

  • @jaytube24
    @jaytube24 6 років тому +36

    6:00 "Ahh, I see you're a man of culture as well😌"

  • @kylenoe2234
    @kylenoe2234 6 років тому +1

    It does, it just doesn't mark it on the verb itself... Instead relegating it to an auxiliary verb .

  • @boltblast3262
    @boltblast3262 6 років тому +170

    6:16 MY CABBAGES!!!

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +22

      Hehe

    • @ILuvCaramellDansen
      @ILuvCaramellDansen 6 років тому +8

      I don't even know if it was intentional but "Tons of cool stuff CROPS up here." sealed the deal for me.

  • @victorosorio5252
    @victorosorio5252 6 років тому

    that way of visualizing the timeline is just so neat, thank u

  • @dhhq7154
    @dhhq7154 6 років тому +5

    Yay! I've been waiting for this series for FOREVER! Excellent start and I can't wait for the rest.

  • @finnsalsa9304
    @finnsalsa9304 6 років тому +22

    First Nativlang uploads a video, then Artifexian! Is this Christmas??

  • @bagodrago
    @bagodrago 6 років тому +268

    My mind hurts.

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +16

      I'm sorry pal.

    • @htoodoh5770
      @htoodoh5770 6 років тому +3

      Dragonite905 me too

    • @Benimation
      @Benimation 6 років тому +23

      Was it too inTENSE?

    • @DTux5249
      @DTux5249 6 років тому +2

      Benimation get out

    • @paulclark7658
      @paulclark7658 6 років тому

      It's supposed to if you're using it right! I don't know if that's right it just sounded good in my head! And fuck me I've typed it

  • @tesseracta4728
    @tesseracta4728 6 років тому +7

    I love how the title is ironic in several different ways.
    'has' has no future tense.

  • @d.r.9116
    @d.r.9116 6 років тому +68

    For a moment there I had a small crisis when reading the title!

    • @merrittanimation7721
      @merrittanimation7721 6 років тому +9

      I thought he was talking about the doom of the English language, then I saw the word "Tense"

    • @Isvoor
      @Isvoor 6 років тому +12

      Well, I mean everyone should be a little tense when English has no future.

    • @d.r.9116
      @d.r.9116 6 років тому

      Merritt Animation Yeah that's what I thought too

    • @d.r.9116
      @d.r.9116 6 років тому +1

      Isvoor I'll report for these dad puns. Nah JK they're hilarious

    • @d.r.9116
      @d.r.9116 6 років тому

      -T-X-M- Cyat blat comrade! Leningrad matryoshka Rosija Stalin!

  • @Cernoise
    @Cernoise 6 років тому +15

    This feels like it belongs in Dr. Dan Streetmentioner's Time Traveler's Handbook of 1001 Tense Formations.

  • @archiemeijer9978
    @archiemeijer9978 5 років тому +6

    2:35
    It goes from "a few days ago/in the future" to "a year or more"? What if I want to say something happened a few months ago?

  • @ASLTheatre
    @ASLTheatre 6 років тому +1

    This makes me glad for how ASL’s basic grammar is set up. Time-Topic-Comment-Negative. As you get more advanced in the language, the more you can bend the rules as you see fit. When indicating the past/future/present we will indicate in front/ ahead/ right by us, respectfully. When listing events we will often make a list on our hands or make a timeline in front of us.

  • @HistoryandOtherStuffwithBV
    @HistoryandOtherStuffwithBV 6 років тому +7

    Can't wait to see a book of the lexicon and grammatical and syntaxic rules for the Oa language.

  • @michaelwilson3991
    @michaelwilson3991 6 років тому +6

    1:44 What about
    "I walked"
    "I'm walking"
    "I will walk"?
    That is present tense and it distinguishes itself from both past and future..

    • @lawesc7470
      @lawesc7470 4 роки тому +5

      This is aspect.
      Note you can make the progressive any tense
      "I was walking"
      "I am walking"
      "I will be walking"

  • @SilverPresident
    @SilverPresident 3 роки тому +4

    I have really grown to love this channel. I was caught off guard by the inclusion of a Jamaican Patois referrence and much appreciated it.
    I just want to point out though that the pronunciation for "yeside" is 3 syllablles [yeh.si.deh]
    Thank you for this channel

  • @Smallsilk
    @Smallsilk 2 роки тому +1

    We will be going soon to the park, once it is not raining anymore, of which first we will need to feed the dogs, after we walk them, and after we go to the park, once it isn’t raining, we will eat, after we get to moordoor’s hill, and after we eat we will explore the park, right after everyone uses the bathroom, after everyone has a drink, and after coming back, we will go to the bus to leave, after everyone plays, and then afterwards we will go home, after we arrive back to school, and do the rest of it.
    *THE ULTIMATE RELATIVE SENTENCE!*

  • @showalk
    @showalk 6 років тому +3

    3:45 "A quasi-cyclical discontinuous tense that conveys... and superposes..."
    ...You did WHAT to your tense?

  • @tsunami2998
    @tsunami2998 6 років тому +2

    duh deh DEH DAAAAAAAAHHHH! you got the triforce! of them, one controls mood, the other aspect,and the other one tense. together they give the wielder the power over an aspect of language!

  • @AracneMusic
    @AracneMusic 6 років тому +3

    I'm kind of dissapointed that Spanish is not mentioned on a video about verbal tenses, since I'm quite fond on my verbal system hahaha Anyways, this video really helps me. I've been trying to teach my students (I'm a tutor) how english verbal tenses correlate to each other and when should we use one or the other, but it seems like they don't really get it? Maybe this approach will help them. Thank you, Artifexian!

  • @GoodMorningButch
    @GoodMorningButch 2 роки тому +1

    This is unbelievably useful! I’m a super beginner conlanger and it can be overwhelming to make decisions about everything when every language contains multitudes in our real world. This already gives a sort crossroads to narrow it down.

  • @bigbo1764
    @bigbo1764 Рік тому +3

    Artifexian when English does something original: “what the fuck is this, this shit sucks🤬🤬🤬🤬”
    Vs.
    Artifexian when any non mainstream language does something objectively terrible and nonsensical: “Wow, how flippin cool😍😍😍”

  • @j0h00
    @j0h00 6 років тому +2

    Thanks for this video! I've been making my own language where I'm dropping tenses all together in favor of using prepositions. So instead of for example saying "I was eating", it would be "I eat before [now]" or "I before-eat". This would save me from a lot of conjugation, as my verbs conjugate to agree with the subjective noun phrase, and my nouns have plenty of inflection.

  • @theatheistpaladin
    @theatheistpaladin 6 років тому +35

    8:20 let us call that Fractal tense.

    • @yoironfistbro8128
      @yoironfistbro8128 6 років тому

      What tense is Au5 tense

    • @Dantakurai
      @Dantakurai 5 років тому

      @@yoironfistbro8128 I understood this reference.

  • @danachos
    @danachos 6 років тому +1

    Je mangeais, by the way, is a tense + aspect. It is the imparfait which combines past with the imperfective. There is no pure past (used colloquially) any longer in French

  • @Tronnyverse
    @Tronnyverse 6 років тому +16

    Clever clickbate title? xD or just clever title is general?

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +10

      It is a bit clickbaity BUT I really want as many people to see this a possible. I guarantee most people have never thought about tense before. And have no idea how deep it can go..

    • @reneperez2126
      @reneperez2126 4 роки тому +2

      its a clever title to me

  • @allennelson1987
    @allennelson1987 4 роки тому +1

    My headache has more to do with my sporadic hemiplegic migraines then with the density of your explanation, so I watched the video twice. I think I more or less I understand the video.

  • @xmvziron
    @xmvziron 6 років тому +3

    Nativlang and Artifexian upload today! It's Christmas in summer!

  • @autumnkoalefant
    @autumnkoalefant 6 років тому +1

    I really like that you use example languages other than european ones. There are so many cool languages out there with interesting properties that I've never even heard of before, I love learning about them.
    This is probably one of my favorite videos of yours so far, by the way. Thanks so much!

  • @jerry3790
    @jerry3790 6 років тому +5

    Congratulations on 100K subscribers!

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому

      Cheers, video on this soon.

  • @cozygoblin
    @cozygoblin 6 років тому +1

    THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS! I've read so much to work on my conlang and your break down of tense was amazing. Gotta pick up the book!

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому

      Do! And it's WAY easier to read than the last book I mentioned - ERGATIVITY.

  • @davidd.5180
    @davidd.5180 6 років тому +20

    I'm getting Classical Latin flashbacks, thanks a lot (still love the videos!)

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +2

      Thanks for watching, pal. Means a lot.

  • @Gravitraxer_AangCZ
    @Gravitraxer_AangCZ 4 роки тому +1

    01:42 In Czech it's same, we have "chodil/a/o jsem" (past tense, -a means woman -o means it [-a and -o are seperate]) ''chodím" is present tense, and "budu chodit" is future, it uses "budu" as future + infinitiv "chodiT": the -T means infinitiv.

    • @rnjnj80
      @rnjnj80 3 роки тому

      It is not the same in Czech since "budu" itself is a future form and "will" in English is a present form.

  •  6 років тому +69

    Hi, french annoying guy here, just to spot a mistake at 1:53
    "Je mange" is the present and "je mangeais" is the past. You swapped them.
    Just to add some relevant stuff in this comment:
    All those are past :
    "Je mangeais", "J'ai mangé", "Je mangeai", "J'eus mangé", "J'avais mangé".
    And those 2 are future :
    "Je mangerais" and "Je vais mangé".
    Yeah, french is complicated

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +14

      Not annoying at all. Thanks for the feedback. Correction will be in the description.
      It's worth nothing that all of those other past forms will be covered in future videos - I believe they are aspects and moods.

    • @hugotd4367
      @hugotd4367 6 років тому +3

      but if I will eat doesn't count as a separate grammatical tense why would "je vais manger", it uses a similar construct.

    • @blue_link_3461
      @blue_link_3461 6 років тому +1

      J'aurai mangé ?

    • @cogitaris4508
      @cogitaris4508 6 років тому +4

      There's also "je mangerai" for future, which is future simple ( with the "s" it's conditional)

    • @eednb4257
      @eednb4257 6 років тому

      Surprising that I know French, then.

  • @caller145
    @caller145 6 років тому +1

    Linguistics is a very interesting subject for me. As a kid I never wanted to learn any new languages as I was too lazy to study (english is not my first language, I'm a native finnish speaker) but when I started to use internet more I learned to speak english a lot better. At the moment I'm trying to learn german because I'm in a long distance relationship with a german guy. I've watched a lot of linguistic videos and I feel like they have helped me to get rid of my finnish accent a bit as these videos go to a lot more detail about voices than any average english teacher. For example in finnish we rarely use letters like d, b and g so when I speak it's harder for me to distinguish between b and p, d and t, g and k and so on. I used to wish I would be a native english speaker because then I wouldn't have to learn it but lately I've realized how fun it is to know finnish :)

  • @phinaibe8434
    @phinaibe8434 6 років тому +5

    Congrats on 100 subscribers

  • @BrunoSantos-sb6vh
    @BrunoSantos-sb6vh 6 років тому +2

    This is SO COOL, I never thought about tense like that. Just imagine the kind of poetry or arguments that come out of languages with all those different tenses!

  • @personalRCH
    @personalRCH 6 років тому +32

    My cabbages!!!

  • @leleo53000
    @leleo53000 6 років тому +1

    As a native french, I can definetely say that this is the best video I've ever seen to understand most French times : all those combinations of jumps on the timeline have their own dedicated forms (note that futur-in-the-past is call "anterior futur" and futur-in-the-futur is just "futur" as opposed to "immediate futur")

  • @Frahamen
    @Frahamen 6 років тому +4

    My native Language, Dutch has the same system as English: we don't *really* have a past tense. Though it's a bit more complicated as in Englisg, since we use an auxilary verb, not just a simple future marker. Still, the auxilary verb is in present (or past) tense, not in a "future tense". We do learn it like it's a future tense, like in English, but it's not technically a future tense.

    • @laneslash6639
      @laneslash6639 6 років тому +1

      English came from German, which if I remember correctly, is related to Dutch, so the three are pretty similar

    • @KirbyComicsVids
      @KirbyComicsVids 6 років тому +10

      LANESLASH wrong, English never came from German; English, German, Dutch, along with the Scandinavian languages (not Finnish) and some minority languages are all GermanIC languages which come from Proto-Germanic which only had past and non-past which is why English, German, and Dutch all rely on verbal constructions for future.

    • @laneslash6639
      @laneslash6639 6 років тому

      Oof

    • @Frahamen
      @Frahamen 6 років тому

      Jana, Don't forget Afrikaans. It's technically a minority language in South Africa, but depending on the sources, it his a little more or a little less speakers then Swedish, the biggest North Germanic (Scandinavian) language.

    • @moslemaahmmad9950
      @moslemaahmmad9950 6 років тому

      LANESLASH and Latin and French and the Vikings too you know

  • @ossi_2429
    @ossi_2429 5 років тому +1

    Rewatching this; doesn’t French make a few distinctions between different future tenses? I remember learning in school about the immediate and long-term future tenses (futur simple et proche), and also the conditional future. Is this just a Canadian French feature?

  • @nazamroth8427
    @nazamroth8427 6 років тому +4

    Would Hungarian count as having a real future tense? You change the verb, but you also need a word to indicate that it is in the future. (I walk, I will walk: Megyek, Menni Fogok or even Majd Megyek) The one used for the future form is supposedly called infinitive according to google?

    • @pierreabbat6157
      @pierreabbat6157 6 років тому +2

      "Fog" is an auxiliary just like "will" in English, used with the infinitive. ("Will" is not inflected for person because it's a preterite-present verb.) "Majd" (which I didn't know) is an adverb. English used to have an infinitive suffix (I walk, I will walken) but has lost it.

  • @AlabasterJazz
    @AlabasterJazz 6 років тому +1

    Definitely an interesting topic. I like how in English you can circumvent tense altogether: yesterday I did some walking, I am currently walking, tomorrow I will go walking.

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому

      Ye...it's more aspectual and modal then.

  • @Pingijno
    @Pingijno 6 років тому +21

    i had no idea you can mathematize grammar

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +5

      Nor did I until I read 'Tense' by Bernard Comrie.

    • @pezsimon
      @pezsimon 6 років тому +1

      Chomsky does a lot of that

    • @АнтонКузнецов-и8ю
      @АнтонКузнецов-и8ю 5 років тому +1

      As someone said: true sciene begins only when you bring math in it.

  • @Chris-rn9zx
    @Chris-rn9zx 6 років тому +1

    I'm a new subscriber but I've been listening to the podcast and watching your vids for a while now. Keep up the great work!

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому

      Will do. Thanks for watching and subbing. :)

  • @kemoiii
    @kemoiii 6 років тому +3

    Is imperative considered a tense? In Arabic, there are basically 3 forms of a verb.
    The present form.
    The past form.
    The imperative form.
    So, Is it considered a tense(As I recall reading somewhere)?
    And, If not, then what is it considered?
    Edit: Also the French past and present are mixed up in the video.

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +2

      Yup! Corrected it in the description.
      I think (could be wrong) imperative is a mood.

    • @davidmckean8100
      @davidmckean8100 6 років тому

      The imperative is a mood, one of many in arabic (others are the subjunctive, jussive, indicative, and energetic). It just happens to be formed with a more distinct construction than the other moods, so often times people don't recognize it as a mood.

  • @Ynysmydwr
    @Ynysmydwr 6 років тому +1

    7:35 "The question is begged". No, the question arises.

  • @Frahamen
    @Frahamen 6 років тому +11

    Are there languages with a specific past and a non-specific past tense? Like "yesterday, or on that specific moment, I did" versus "once, I don't realy know when, I did"

    • @aleixoabreu9652
      @aleixoabreu9652 6 років тому +12

      Julia Smith in Spanish the "perfect past" means something that was finished like "I walked home, and now I'm at home" and the "imperfect past" means something that started but not necessarily was finished, like "I was walking home, but something happened"

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +3

      Good question. I don't know.

    • @DISTurbedwaffle918
      @DISTurbedwaffle918 6 років тому

      Generally, an unsubstantiated amount of time is just referred to as "a while ago" and has little or no impact on the verb since it's dealt with by a prepositional phrase.

    • @Frahamen
      @Frahamen 6 років тому +5

      DISTurbedwaffle918 in English you can use that, yes. In my conlang, I was more generally thinking about a six tenses system past specific, past non-specific, future specific, future non-specific, present, and a time independed tense that looks like a present non-specific for things that might have happened or will happen or just used for general facts. Can also be used for poetic purpose. For instance for a love declaration. Saying "I love you" in non-specific present implies "I love you, I always love you and I will always love you" in one elegant word.

    • @qwertyTRiG
      @qwertyTRiG 6 років тому +1

      Aleixo Abreu The "I was walking" thing is more of an aspectual distinction, isn't it?

  • @TheDemonGyro
    @TheDemonGyro 6 років тому +1

    Thanks for the video. Awesome work. I plan on using this to help me explain how different tenses work in English to a co worker who isn't a native speaker.

  • @Julio974
    @Julio974 6 років тому +86

    1:53 French is MUCH MORE complicated, look at a "Bescherelle conjugaison" to see

    • @baptistefaussat
      @baptistefaussat 6 років тому +43

      The video is about tenses only. French has a complex aspect and mood system, but no more than those three tenses.

    • @Julio974
      @Julio974 6 років тому +3

      Actually, the verb has more shapes than just these 3: think about the participe that is re-used in "J'ai mang*é*" and "J'aurais mang*é*" ("I ate" and "I would have ate") is different from the 3 others

    • @baptistefaussat
      @baptistefaussat 6 років тому +22

      These are gerunds, they are moods, not tenses.
      Je suppose qu'on peut continuer en français si c'est plus clair.

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +40

      Remember this video only covers tense. Aspect and mood will be discussed in the future.

    • @antoinethename9064
      @antoinethename9064 6 років тому +1

      Julio974 and yet we bearly use all the tenses of 'être' outside of school. What about a waist.

  • @thewalrus7916
    @thewalrus7916 5 років тому +2

    İn turkish there is a different tense for the past that you are not sure about for eg.
    Yürüdü means "he walked"
    Yürümüş means something like "i heard he walked"

  • @justalittleaspie8464
    @justalittleaspie8464 6 років тому +3

    you switched the past and present verbs at 1:52. It's "je mangeais, je mange, je mangerai"

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому

      Yes. Sorry. Correction in the description .

  • @lonjohnson5161
    @lonjohnson5161 6 років тому

    I had decided to watch this video thinking it would help me relax after a stressful morning, but instead I found it left me tense.

  • @StarTheTripleDevil
    @StarTheTripleDevil 6 років тому +3

    2:32 So does that mean that the official upper limit of "a few" is 364 or 365 if there's a leap day?

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому

      I don't know.

    • @StarTheTripleDevil
      @StarTheTripleDevil 6 років тому

      My sister's friend's teacher (or something like that) once said "a few" refers to anything from 3 to 500 (although it wasn't in English and rather a translation of "a few").

  • @WilfStepto
    @WilfStepto 6 років тому +1

    In the Kenuzi language of the Nubian family, the future tense is created by adding the prefix "be-" to the verb, and is noteworthy as the only known prefix in the language.
    However, this prefix is also a verb in its own right, meaning "to die".
    Hence, for example, "I am going to do this/that" becomes "I am dying to to this/that".
    Source: The Kenuzi Grammar, accessible through the Endangered Languages Project profile on the language (and I know this because it was I who put it there).

  • @yaumelepire6310
    @yaumelepire6310 6 років тому +3

    Hum... When are we going to get to culture-building stuff?

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +1

      Long way off, I'm afraid.

  • @AlrycaAeveaHexendias
    @AlrycaAeveaHexendias 3 роки тому +1

    I wish I had this video in high school. I would always mess up the differences between past/perfect past/past continuous/etc. Those diagrams solved everything.

  • @t.k.abrams4720
    @t.k.abrams4720 6 років тому +11

    Why don't you consider "will" or "going to" as future tense markers? They aren't conjugations maybe, but they are surely tense markers. They function exactly as a future tense does. The words "will" and "going to" have even been almost completely divorced from their original meanings when used in the context of a future tense marker, which is another indicator that they are tense markers.

    • @MrLuigiMor
      @MrLuigiMor 6 років тому +3

      Sorry, but you totally missed the point of the video. I think you should watch it again. :)

    • @MrLuigiMor
      @MrLuigiMor 6 років тому +2

      Just like you said, the only mistake that he made in the video was that he mixed up the French verb conjugations.
      And once again, you did miss the whole point of the video, watch it again so you can understand because you clearly don't.

    • @t.k.abrams4720
      @t.k.abrams4720 6 років тому +8

      Luigi Morgan 🤣you're silly. I'm allowed to disagree with the clickbait misinformation he used tbh doesn't mean I didn't get the video. I bet you don't even know what you mean when you're saying that, you just want to feel like you're smart because you like the video

    • @MrLuigiMor
      @MrLuigiMor 6 років тому +2

      Yeah, insulting others will always make your point valid. :)
      And that I don't know what I mean? I'm about to get my degree in English. I do know what I'm talking about. ;)

    • @MrLuigiMor
      @MrLuigiMor 6 років тому +1

      In my country, more specifically, at my university, I have to pay less than 30 dollars per semester. It's not like in the United States where you have to spend thousands of dollars to get a good education.
      Plus, I don't have to make any points because what you said is clearly explained in the video. And if you say that it isn't, then, I'm sorry, but you're not smart enough for this. Or maybe, you haven't read enough about it. And that's okay. I'm pretty sure you're great at something that I'm not even good at, but this is my field and, believe me, I know a lot about this kind of stuff. :)

  • @Will00988
    @Will00988 6 років тому +1

    I would say that English does actually have a future tense, it's just a periphrastic construction (i.e. some intransitive form and a form of the verb to be) rather than a directly conjugated single verb, which is a little different from a language like Jamaican Creole or Chinese which use an un-conjugated verb and a non-verbal time marker to indicate the same thing. So the distinction lies in the fact that English uses two verbal forms in conjunction, one of which happens to be un-conjugated in regards to tense rather than an un-conjugated verb and a non-verbal time marker.

  • @YaboiFoon
    @YaboiFoon 6 років тому +5

    A new nativelang and artifexian video is definitely worth staying up until 3 in the morning

  • @alanthehirsch
    @alanthehirsch 6 років тому +1

    ALGORITHM COMMENT... Thank you for making this video, it is very interesting because if you speak a language you don't think about all the theory that is behind it but when you start making up your conlang you starts struggling. So thanks again for sharing this video with us.

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому

      No problems pal. Glad you enjoyed.

  • @GobsAlmightyVlogs
    @GobsAlmightyVlogs 6 років тому +3

    1:49 that's wrong! Past = j'ai mangé or je mangeais (french has two different past tenses) present = je mange and future = je mangerai

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +1

      Yes. Sorry. Correction will be in the description.

    • @GobsAlmightyVlogs
      @GobsAlmightyVlogs 6 років тому

      Artifexian amazing video nevertheless!!!!

    • @Oi-fo1wt
      @Oi-fo1wt 6 років тому

      Alexified j’ai mangé is present perfect, actually. Is the percect aspect of the present tense.

    • @heatheranne5516
      @heatheranne5516 6 років тому

      Ahnan Imuz you are correct in part. Le passé composé (the present perfect) functions as both the present perfect AND the simple past in French. This is bc le passé simple has largely fallen out of use in speech. You'll encounter it in literature and maybe super formal speech and sometimes in québec. Basically u infer which based on context.

  • @OHYS
    @OHYS 6 років тому +1

    I get really excited when you release a new video

  • @o0Avalon0o
    @o0Avalon0o 6 років тому +2

    5:55 nice reference bro

  • @scattygirl1
    @scattygirl1 6 років тому

    8:00 I love the use of the blank number line to show the different stages in time. That visual cue alongside the spoken ones really helps to explain the tricky concept.

  • @kathens7755
    @kathens7755 6 років тому +5

    Uzbek will take over English

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +1

      Haha! Yup. :)

    • @kathens7755
      @kathens7755 6 років тому

      Hah, you actually replied. Love your vids by the way!

  • @Muush
    @Muush 6 років тому

    can i just give a hats off to how visually appealing that outro looks
    i mean it just looks so nice!

  • @valkeakirahvi
    @valkeakirahvi 6 років тому +5

    I disagree. I think English has a true future tense, it just isn't marked with a suffix. It's still used regularly.
    Finnish on the other hand has true past - non-past system. 'Mä söin' =I ate 'Mä syön (nyt / ensi torstaina)' = I eat (now / next Thursday). We do have ways to refer to future with an auxiliary, but they are only used in special situations, e.g. 'Mä tuun syömään' = I come to eat -> I'll eat

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +2

      Right but by definition tense as a grammatical category needs some kind of inflection. English has no grammatical future tense. Emphasis on grammatical. English future is more like a modal present than a future.

    • @blacksmith67
      @blacksmith67 6 років тому

      Artifexian First, I wonder whether you mean conjugation rather than inflection and, second, bollocks. Just because some over zealous grammarian objects to the lack of a future participle in English in no way means that the future tense does not exist and is instead some modal shade. Many good authorities have expounded upon not only the healthy existence of the English future tense, but have also pointed out how incredibly precise we can form future tenses with respect to aspect and mood. By this time tomorrow I shall have been brooding over this click bait title, or I will have forgotten it at some point. Half the languages on the planet could not make that subtle distinction.

    • @zaegva
      @zaegva 6 років тому

      You should really use correct written language as an example or you undermine your own credibility.

    • @valkeakirahvi
      @valkeakirahvi 6 років тому +1

      Ok. That only shows how close minded and old fashioned person you are :)

    • @zaegva
      @zaegva 6 років тому

      It's just respecting our language, and not giving others false information about how things are said correctly. Grammar is really important. Maybe you are some dropout without any education and don't give a fuck, but I respect our language. And it shows you didn't even bother. It would be different if you didn't know how to properly use grammar, but of course you do. And if your point is to educate, like you are clearly trying to do, you should do it correctly or not do it at all. There is only one form on written grammar in Finnish, and it's the same for all of us no matter where we live. Your "mä" is not universal even in our spoken language, that's why it's incorrect. People use "mää", "mie", "myö" etc. You should always teach the stuff that works in most contexts first. And I'm sorry to say, but no one is going to take you seriously if you can't even articulate correctly and can't even bother to write "minä" instead of "mä", it really has nothing to do with me, just wanted to help you to be more credible in the future, but I guess it's pointless. You probably don't even give a fuck about closed compounds or anything.

  • @algapedia9164
    @algapedia9164 6 років тому +1

    I'm starting to like your channel more. Keep it up.

  • @newslayer
    @newslayer 6 років тому +9

    What the hell people is just saying “ArTEfexIan and NAaTiVLaaNg MaDe de Same vIDEOOOOOOO”

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +1

      Did we?

    • @newslayer
      @newslayer 6 років тому +1

      Yes, he did. I seen it on my notifications, the link is here:
      ua-cam.com/video/E042GHlUgoQ/v-deo.html

  • @minette36
    @minette36 3 роки тому +1

    Using Avatar characters as part of your example really made my day :)

  • @cloroxbleach7554
    @cloroxbleach7554 6 років тому +3

    That was intense
    Bye

  • @marbleswan6664
    @marbleswan6664 5 років тому +1

    In my system whenever we say a verb, we pull out angry birds, and shoot the bird forwards ir backwards in space depending on when the event is, and if we hit a pig, it signifys an importance. If we beat the level, thats the end of the sentance

  • @UltimateKyuubiFox
    @UltimateKyuubiFox 6 років тому +4

    What I do enjoy is the fact that third-person present-tense can also function like a future-tense.
    “He walks into a room and wrecks it.”
    “He kills the president.”
    Of course, it’s most often used under the assumption that the speaker is a time traveler, but it’s a cool trick of the language.

  • @joshuanorman2
    @joshuanorman2 6 років тому +1

    I started aching halfway through the video and it didn't stop until the video ended

  • @airmanon7213
    @airmanon7213 6 років тому +6

    Wow.

  • @sione_etc
    @sione_etc 6 років тому

    i love the detail you put into the visuals in such a tasteful way, it's always so satisfying and helpful :)

  • @ksleco
    @ksleco 5 років тому

    Your enthusiasm for language is awesome!

  • @karmakanic
    @karmakanic 6 років тому +1

    One of the most fascinating linguistics vids I've seen! Great infographics too!

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому

      Awesome! Glad you enjoyed.

  • @apm77
    @apm77 6 років тому +1

    Personally, I'm a fan of (clausal) nominal TAM en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominal_TAM - it doesn't have to be all about the verb. My old conlang was built around this idea, but I'm not aware of anyone else doing anything with it. I suppose the reason almost all languages mark tense on the verb is that it's more efficient for e.g. conjunctions like "I just left and will be there soon".

  • @erinkemble5950
    @erinkemble5950 6 років тому +1

    While watching this video, this had remind me of my speech thearpy sessions as I was learning the differences past tense and future tense... (I was getting myself more confused while typing this out) and also my ch's sh's sounds how I often get them mixed up. (I'm deaf/hearing impaired). All this makes me want to wrap myself with a blanket and curl up on my bed and wollow....

  • @pharaujobr
    @pharaujobr 6 років тому +1

    Your videos always remind me why I love linguistics!

  • @davidgretzschelcommunicati1630
    @davidgretzschelcommunicati1630 2 роки тому +1

    He walked. He walks. He will walk. Three distinct morphological forms of "to walk". Three distinct grammatical tenses. Therefore English does have a future tense.

    • @the_linguist_ll
      @the_linguist_ll 2 роки тому

      Yeah no

    • @aboba5995
      @aboba5995 Рік тому

      walk/walks -- present
      walked -- past
      none -- future
      will -- present
      would -- past
      none -- future
      English hasn't some affixes (prefixes/suffixes) for creating future tense verb, Russian can use prefixes that come from prepositions for future tense.
      я буду пить "i will drink"
      я вы-/по-/за-/у-/про-/сo- пью "i will drink"
      Ukrainian can use suffixes that come from modal яти "to take" for future tense (and prefixes like Russian).
      я чита́тиму "i will read"
      ти чита́тимеш "thou will read"
      він/вона/воно чита́тиме "he/she/it will read"
      ми чита́тимемо "we will read"
      ви чита́тимете "ye will read"
      вони чита́тимуть "they will read"

  • @faileduploader6366
    @faileduploader6366 5 років тому +1

    0:54 And That's How Tenseless Languages Locate Events In Time

  • @angeldude101
    @angeldude101 6 років тому +2

    While it's not possible in real life, but I'd like seeing specific ways in which time-travel wrecks havoc on tenses and if there are any ways to work around it. Alternate relative forms perhaps?

    • @Artifexian
      @Artifexian  6 років тому +1

      Ooooh! Very interesting.