Christopher Rufo Decodes Cultural Shifts in America
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- The Michael Shermer Show # 364
In this conversation based on his new book, America’s Cultural Revolution, Christopher Rufo exposes the inner history of the intellectuals and militants who slowly and methodically captured America’s institutions. With profiles of Herbert Marcuse, Angela Davis, Paulo Freire, and Derrick Bell, Rufo shows how activists have profoundly influenced American culture with an insidious mix of Marxism and racialist ideology.
Through deep historical research, Rufo shows how the ideas first formulated in the pamphlets of the Weather Underground, Black Panther Party, and Black Liberation Army have been sanitized and adopted as the official ideology of America’s prestige institutions, from the Ivy League universities to the boardrooms of Walmart, Disney, and Bank of America.
Shermer and Rufo discuss: race as America’s original sin • civil rights movement then and now • liberalism vs. illiberalism • equality vs. equity • overt racism vs. systemic racism • intellectual origins of the cultural revolution: Herbert Marcuse, Angela Davis, Paulo Freire, Derrick Bell, Eldridge Cleaver, Huey Newton • Black Lives Matter origins in the Black Liberation Army and the Black Panthers • critical race theory (CRT) • diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI), and more…
Christopher Rufo is a writer, filmmaker, and activist. He has directed four documentaries for PBS, including America Lost, which tells the story of three forgotten American cities. He is a senior fellow of the Manhattan Institute and a contributing editor of the public policy magazine City Journal. His reporting and activism have inspired a presidential order, a national grassroots movement, and legislation in 22 states. Christopher holds a Bachelor of Science in Foreign Service from Georgetown University and a Master’s of Liberal Arts from Harvard University.
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Angela Davis is a free radical! We need Vitamin E 😆
All 36 American countries. Thank you Michael Shermer
Garbage in garbage out.
There are authentic cultural revolutions from the bottom-up, like how ordinary Americans pushed for legalizing pot. And then there are top-down, coercive social revolutions which ordinary Americans don't want, like Wokeness.
It's interesting to note that libertarians aren't getting much traction with their economic ideas for social revolution. Most ordinary Americans don't consider fiat money, fractional-reserved lending and central banking as problems in need of radical solutions. Our elites don't feel vulnerable in those areas as well, which is why libertarians who criticize our current financial system are just being ignored instead of being openly targeted for persecution through cancellation.
Wokeness is used as an umbrella term for so much these days
I think a lot of ideas that would be labeled as woke do originate from real, grassroots support
"Wokeness" was redefined by conservatives in order to create a new enemy and push a false narrative. Being woke, or awake to injustices in our society is a good thing. If it helps you, it's what Jesus spoke about in the bible.
@@jmags2586 Who wouldn't want to be "awake to injustices in our society"? Surely that's a good thing, no?
@@jmags2586 The word WOKE comes from black American vernacular similar to RAP and since were' still
a racist county it will take 10-20 more years for everyone to be OK with it.
If it needs rebranding to AWARE/AWAKE I'm all for it if it helps our country from being so divided.
Welfare Economy..
Larger Communist Control with Gang to the Texas Border..Anchor Babies..
The wheels WILL FALL off
East Palestine
.ohio train wreck..
You rather let Chris off the hook multiple times.
Perhaps asking him to contrast and compare how the religious right gets its agenda into government or universities (Liberty U anyone?)
Old paradigm, Christians aren't the problem, go promote transgendersim or child grooming with your rational progressives.
It was so ironic that Michael brought up creationism as something they would agree shouldn't be taught in schools, when Rufo was literally a director of the Discovery Institute (which is *_the_* creationist organization in the US - they invented "intelligent design" and "teach the controversy").
@Zirrad1
"Liberty U anyone?"
You mean the place where agnostic married Gay Dave Rubin got a standing ovation, before he spoke? That Liberty U?
Here is the thing people really need to Expand their horizons.
Comparing religious policy in government and university to the near ascendant dominance of critical theory right now is like comparing a splinter to a gunshot wound. Crying "what about the splinter?!" as the victim bleeds out from the gunshot wound seems counterproductive.
@@ryakkikiojyn-ji3382 Former humanities professor speaking: not near ascendent; fully dominant.
It would be really interesting to write a book on NPR and document their interviews and comments. NPR is dependent on foundation giving and so they are somewhat obligated to follow the agenda of these foundations. Most have laudible agendas but some are not. Have you seen some of the new foundations ? Plain and simple NPR is a nascent Hanoi Hannah or Tokio Rose as they constantly pour oil on the fire of discontent. Certainly they have some good programs but all in all they are merely the mouthpiece of the lets tear this place down movement.
New Propaganda Radio
Quit listening years ago. Once in awhile I tune in to check the ideological pulse; distorted narratives of race and gender, and self-flagellating anti-oppression rituals ladled into my ear within 60 seconds. Nothing but agitprop.
The interesting thing about Shermer (perhaps redolent of the center-left) in these virtue-signally cancel-culture times is that he will never tack even close to this far right when speaking on his own, but when he has someone like Rufo on, he's in 90%+ concordance, and will only minimally disagree.
If you reflect on this fact, you grasp the depth of our quandary.
I don't know about that. He's a pretty patient listener with everyone. He has even had a UFO nut on and listened respectfully. (He was also respectful to a "young earth creationist"--too respectful, in my opinion.) Besides, he had a conservative woman on a few weeks ago he didn't hesitate to disagree with.
@Skeptic love this channel. Thank you for great information to be "skeptical" of. 😊
I hope Michael talks to more people on the modern left to get their perspectives
@echoplexmedia Free-floating slurs. Such intellect! Such integrity! Change your kitty litter.
This was a good conversation. I'd love to see either of you on the Sitch & Adam Show some time.
There wasn't anything organic about the origins of Marxism. It took a successful businessman named Friedrich Engels to subsidize his inept and unemployable friend Karl Marx's writing projects, and then to push relentlessly in his retirement years to get Europe's socialist parties to accept Marx's radical and obscure doctrines.
Ironically Engels's effectiveness at building a violent socialist movement based on Marx's philosophy probably derived from his business experience. Engels learned how to manage his time, budget money and recognize and manage talented people from his career in the Manchester branch of his family's textile company. And while he showed literary ability before his career, he probably sharpened his communication skills from having to write clear business letters and such.
These are all abilities shown by businessmen who know what they are doing. Marx, by contrast, was noticeably lacking in those areas. Engels was the competent and practical half in his partnership with Marx, and without his contribution, "Marxism" would have been stillborn.
Veery good conversation. Thanks Michael / Chris
Also, look into George Yancy professor of philosophy at Emory University.
Richard Nixon, one of the great presidents? Puke. I'm no fan of what the Left has become, but there is no way I can go the other way, either. I made it about halfway through this one.
will the college Rufo is working with produce video of their classes on UA-cam so that we can benefit? We need to receive the education we were denied in order to support the conservative viewpoint.
1:17:10 A friend of mine sent his kids to Catholic schools, and they both became atheists, largely because of what they learned in Catholic schools. (I live in Ohio. Your mileage may vary.)
The quickest path to atheism is to actually read religious texts. This is why so many religious people limit themselves to cherry picking the flowery bits and ignoring the atrocities.
Catholicism like many other organized religions do not like people to question or think critically about what they teach or their history. If you are one who is not satisfied with regurgitating connonical teachings but read and listen to understand the context (who, what when, where, why and how) of information, then you question the nature of the establishment. Atheism is not a religion, just a descriptor for a questioner of the existence of a god.
I walked...Strict ..Shaming..
Money real machine..
Moral Code fine
.Making me guilt ridden..
Ain't Cool..
@@mpaczkowYou know little about Catholicism.
Rufo is a better writer than speaker. Read his book. Then decide whether he knows what he's talking about. Read his book. Then attack him if you feel so compelled. Read his book so you at least understand what he's talking about instead of just outright dismissing him.
individual righhts are fine; private proprtty is not. _JC
In my hometown, Rufo is involved in a Desantis scheme to convert a formerly liberal college, New College, to a completely different school that is modeled after Hillsdale, a conservative religious school. In other words, his actual work involves doing everything he accuses the left of doing, in terms of indoctrination. Rufo also claims conservatives are on the outs but how many state governments are under right wing control? He claims the Tea Party was a grassroots movement which we know to not be true. But he really loses me when he says "Nixon was great, one of the greatest presidents of the 20th century." Would that be the Nixon who, as a presidential candidate, committed treason by intervening in LBJ's peace talks with North Vietnam, causing them to leave the negotiating table by promising a better deal if he were elected? North Vietnam did quit the negotiations and thus the war was prolonged and countless American soldiers and Vietnamese died as a result. This doesn't even touch on Nixon's later war crimes in that war, not having the "secret plan" to end the war that he promised, Kissinger's treasonous behavior on multiple occasions, or all the crimes in the Watergate affair. Shermer is too weak in challenging Rufo, as is often the case in his interviews.
Heck..100 year old Henry was in China Last week..
N0. s#!T..
Spotted the self important, overpaid academic
*26:00** it is and they are very annoying: but the core parts are right.* not the race nonsense or cry about hx nonsense - but stopping capital collection, & feeding the hungry over wasting food, medical access for all and no profiteering ect: thats all still betr. _JC
Curious - how do I add the time link in a comment like you did? Can it be done on a phone or does it have to be a computer (I know how to do that)?
Any guidance is appreciated. Thanks
We're both atheists but we're going to send out kid to a religious school (like mom) where he can learn all the social value stuff.
Why don't you teach him social values? Why expose your kid to indoctrination and black and white thinking?
@@jmags2586 Indeed. Belief in belief is as bad as plain belief, and with a big scoop of hypocrisy to go along with it.
@@billscannell93,you nailed it😊👌
"What Happens When a Carnival Barker Writes Intellectual History"
On the contrary, he is calm, measured, rational, and demonstrates real integrity in his commitment to his principles and their explication. Of course, you don't have to agree with him, but until you offer an equally cogent and civil argument, you're just slinging slurs and do not deserve to be taken seriously.
@@willmercury lol, his main principle is owning the libs. This is the guy who was the architect of the made-up "critical race theory" panic.
This guy needs to read more Ayn Rand. Such similar, or very close, set of ideas.
He talks about the importance of "individual rights" (and uses this phrase of Rand's from almost a century ago). And he denouces the german philosophies of kant and hegel, and he argues for their influence on creating modern marxism, which Rand did over and over.
If you like Ayn Rand, you would probably love Friedrich Hayek.
@@brainxtc2171 I have the constitution of liberty. He's ok but I dont "love" him because he doesn't get to the real root causes of liberty, which is morality, and insofar as he does he unfortunately gets it very wrong in my opinion.
@@Virtueman1
Ayn Rand gets hate from
The Democrats to the extent that they're Keynesians/Marxists
The right to the extent that they're Christians
The libertarians to the extent that they're ethical relativists
They're all wrong.
The Qanon shaman is running for Congress allegedly. 😂
I have not heard of this guy before now, but my guess, he's Catholic or was, a kind of "anti-woke". There is nothing more obtuse than belief/faith or those recently removed from such, and then trying to describe the reality of the world... just astounding.
I picked up on this too. He's riddled with black and white thinking and a very limited worldview. He needs time to grow his secularism before espousing his views to others.
@@jmags2586 Yes, it takes time and some may never really be able to effectively use many different feelings that will eventually affect the consciousness in negative outcomes. However, they are still on a positive 'pathway' to reason at the very least and mostly...
@@1p6t1gmsSays the person talking about feelings.
I almost spit out my drink when he compared how protestors dressed in the 1960's versus today. WTF is he even talking about?! Rufo's logic: People wore suits on commercial airliners in the early 60's, today they wear shorts and flip flops...How could the politcal left do this?! Very convenient that he didn't discuss the attire often worn at MAGA rallies, I've never seen a 3-piece suit in that crowd. There were so many strawmen thrown out by Rufo during this conversation that I quickly lost interest. It's okay to push back on nonsense Shermer.
CRT = Clarence Resign Thomas
MAGA = My Attorney Got Arrested
RUFO = Rightwing Undercover Falseflag
The decline and decay of attire and public appearance is a reflection of the broader decline, decay, disintegration, and bastardization of culture. It is not a matter of everyone wearing a three piece suit, it is the fact that not only does no one wear a suit anymore, not even in a place of business, but people walk around in public in pajamas or sometimes just underwear. A broken culture is manifest everywhere in everything because of the corruption and vileness of the left.
You missed the point of the difference between orderly protest and burning buildings and violence engaged in by BLM and ANTIFA? Remember Minneapolis neighborhoods in flame?
Spotted the blue haired shrieking activist
It actually would have helped his point to also mention how people dress at MAGA rallies, which is that the nature of protests and protesters are different today, and you can see this in the way they present themselves.
10:30 and (in case we forget) Donald Trump, explicitly anti-liberal
and unlike Marcuse - Trump actually became president and started systematically dismantling the US liberal democracy
TDS is so 2016... Go seek help
Lol. There was no element of liberal democracy which was diminished by Trump.
On the contrary, the opposition to Trump is explicitly anti democratic. They attempted to use undemocratic means to remove him from office and then to take him off the ballot for 2024.
Can you really understand why people like BLM by looking at Herbert Marcuse? I don't think so.
CRT = Clarence Resign Thomas
MAGA = My Attorney Got Arrested
RUFO = Rightwing Undercover Falseflag
I recommend you read "Cynical Theories" by Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay.
I'm willing to bet his switch from liberal to conservative coincided with a religious conversion.
Would you bet your immortal soul?
Slavery could not arise in a free market. It required government force to exist. Same for racism and sexism and anti-homosexuality, etc. Free markets work because they require voluntary exchange. If you believe in the goodness of free speech, you understand this, even though some speech is bad, overall, free speech improves our lives over time. Same with free markets. All regulations that protect from bad actors could simply just be laws, all of which exist now and for a long time (theft, fraud and violent acts are already criminal). Negative externalities can easily be addressed by laws, not by regulations.
Slavery pre-dates governments of any kind by 5,000+ years, or as far back as the historical record goes.
So you are saying America was not in a free market from 1776 to 1861 ?
@@samehabuerreish8785 : While I don't agree with the commenter's opinion that you need government for slavery to exist, when it comes to a 'free market' the closest we have ever been to one was during the Revolutionary War itself... and once Ratification occurred we have never really been a free market.
@@andyvogel9817
Yes. According to the present day Supreme Court , libertarians and the GOP, it is ok . Because we are all white trash . Lower than negroes . This is consistent with how many founding fathers believed , and what billionaires like Koch think .
@@bobcharles7933
Precisely . It is a fantasy . A ideal that is impossible to attain in practice .
The problem with America is socialism and government subsidies for the ultra wealthy and extreme capitalism for the other 80% of the citizens .
CRT = Christopher Rufo’s Trickery
On the contrary, he is calm, measured, rational, and demonstrates real integrity in his commitment to his principles and their explication. Of course, you don't have to agree with him, but until you offer an equally cogent and civil argument, you're just slinging slurs and do not deserve to be taken seriously.
"BLM activists in 2020. Um you have really deranged and looking ... you know mug shots of people; you have people that look just visually quite disordered" PLEASE, Dr. Shermer? HOW IS THIS RELEVANT TO THE CONVERSATION OF CIVIL RIGHTS?
Civil responsible fair Minded ?
Hogwash! Saying or eluding to it’s a cultural matter to release racism ( systemic) from deserving blame is a extremely ahistorical and apolitical slant of racism/systemic racism
What systemic racism?
@@Seekthetruth3000 Racism and systemic racism are so etched into American society it’s invisible. I’ll explain, you asked, “ what is systemic/systematic racism?” Now, racism in and of itself is a system, hence the “ ism” in racism. Ism by definition means, a distinctive practice, system, or philosophy. And race(s) are the varieties of a species ( abridged definitions). Now put race + ism together (=) RACISM, which is a way of thinking, a philosophy, that reflects racist white peoples attitudes that are based in the mythological figments of their (racist white people) fanciful imaginations that they (white humans) are superior to black “ humans” and thus black are inferior and relegated to subhuman and thus allotted with subhuman qualities. This lie, stereotype or creation of a lesser human, and all the misconceptions and misrepresentations that comes along with the lies and stereotypes, was then made into a system, that is, an integrated composite of people ( in this case racist white people) products, and processes that provide a capability to satisfy a stated need or objective, that was perpetuated in all areas of life; sex, religion, war, media, economic, politics, socially, science, education etc and the practice of treating blacks in such non human degraded ways was put into effect.
Now, systemic racism is when all those areas of life I named above ( sex, religion, war, media, economics, politics, socially, science, education etc) express themselves in the form of institutions ( which are also systems) and these institutions are injected with the lies\ stereotypes that blacks are lesser, sub, non etc and due to the nature of how systems work, that is, the logical sequence of activities and decisions that transforms an operational need into a description of system performance parameters and a preferred system configuration, blacks are predominantly (consciously) left out and more importantly invisible to the system and whites and non blacks are largely included and very much visible to compete.
@@Seekthetruth3000 Let me google that for you: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism
@@jmags2586 In the US, there is no systemic racism anymore. Evidence: Oprah, the Obamas, LeBron James, Queen Latifa, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson...etc.
Incoherent bafflegab. Try again, and start by clarifying your terms without resorting to tautologies, and substantiating them with objective examples.
Try driving through west Virginia with a black man in the car. It's not just class
Although I agree class is a huge part of the dynamic. It may obscure data
Yea. As far as I can tell
Id love access to the data. If police unions have nothing to hide.
I'd rather that than drive through Balitmore at night as a white man...
I'm from West Virginia, and I have no goddamned earthly idea what you're talking about.
This guy views on systematic racism is utterly ridiculous and reflects that he’s only reading in an echo chamber.
What is "systematic racism" exactly?
@@meinking22 Let me google that for you: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism
@@jmags2586 That's not "systematic racism." Are you dumb?
The ever-elusive "systemic racism." It's similtaeously everywhere, and nowhere...
@@jmags2586LMAO as a 7th grader or graduate of Baltimore high school you responded - check out Wikipedia bro. Aks somebody
Shermer, you have really gone off the deep end. I don't understand what's happened to you. I used to enjoy your content, but you've become another right-wing propagandist. Such a disappointment.
I wouldn't go as far as calling Shermer right-wing, I just think his inability/unwillingness to push back against his guests makes him appear as such. I miss interviews where hosts called out BS and weren't afraid to argue with their guests. We all need our worldview's challenged.
"How dare you platform someone whose opinions I do not like"
@@1984craineIt’s not the platforming,it’s the inability to push back against a guest that is so full of crap. That’s not what a good interviewer does.
You have a blinkered, Manichean view of the issues.
@@ledaswan5990We might infer that Michael does not, in fact, think that Rufo is full of crap. On the contrary, he is calm, measured, rational, and demonstrates real integrity in his commitment to his principles and their explication. Of course, you don't have to agree with him, but until you offer an equally cogent and civil argument, you're just slinging slurs and do not deserve to be taken seriously.
Does Michael know that Christopher is problematic?
Why is he problematic? Because you disagree with him? And even if so, that's democracy. Come to think of it, it's diversity and inclusion as well.