Twin Flames #3 - (Narcissism) - Therapist Reacts

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  • @caylaleon4790
    @caylaleon4790 11 місяців тому +26

    Kirks little laugh in the beginning 😂😂 "unknown to the modern medical world" 😅

    • @Ms.Prairie
      @Ms.Prairie 11 місяців тому +2

      That laugh got me so good. Legit smiled, myself 😂

  • @trexapex00
    @trexapex00 11 місяців тому +55

    1:10 🤣this will forever be my favorite Dr. Honda moment

    • @catsforlife428
      @catsforlife428 11 місяців тому +8

      Also, 8:18 🤣 it's perfection!

    • @teresab7909
      @teresab7909 11 місяців тому +5

      absolute adorable laugh :D

    • @KateElizabeth1013
      @KateElizabeth1013 11 місяців тому +2

      Came here to comment after both of those timestamps 🤣 so sweet

    • @wstone4046
      @wstone4046 11 місяців тому

      I'm an environmental analytical chemist, and I clean up (remediate) contaminated Sites. Erin Brockovich does the same as these folks. At one community meeting regarding a Site I was working on she said "Raise your hand if you have or know anyone with cancer". Of course everyone knows someone with cancer so almost all hands went up. It's the worst way to start a conversation where you cast a huge net meant to include everyone but also make you think you may have a problem where you do not. Scam artists do this.

    • @yaimerievargas
      @yaimerievargas 11 місяців тому

      Same

  • @ZinniaGulden
    @ZinniaGulden 11 місяців тому +84

    I strongly believe that finding the right therapist is a lot like dating. Sometimes there are logical reasons that a therapist won’t work for you, but a lot of times it’s just an indescribable feeling. You’ll just feel whether or not they’re right for you within the first 1-3 sessions. Trust that feeling before anything else.

    • @RHathemoment
      @RHathemoment 11 місяців тому +1

      Well, said.

    • @edbrown5956
      @edbrown5956 11 місяців тому +1

      Yeah exactly! I had that happen and at the time didn't know why. As soon as I switched it all just felt right from day 1 and only got better. Only with the right therapist did I realize what was off about the past one. For some reason while with the other therapist I couldn't pin point why I didn't trust them till I swapped them.

    • @virginiasoares826
      @virginiasoares826 11 місяців тому +2

      I had a therapist who told me that if the client sticks for six sessions then chances are you are a good fit

    • @arenroc8824
      @arenroc8824 11 місяців тому +2

      Agreed! People that say they hate therapy it's pry because they haven't found the right one. It took me a little while but then it feels almost like a family member

    • @stephers1983
      @stephers1983 11 місяців тому +3

      That is true for every professional in your life. Your family doctor, your dentist, your mechanic, hell even your hairdresser!

  • @RockyDaTherapist
    @RockyDaTherapist 11 місяців тому +63

    It’s very difficult to speak up in a group setting where everyone seems to be in agreement. I had an experience in college attending an informational meeting about joining a group. One of the things that was mentioned was basically accepting physical abuse as part of the process. I was the only one to walk out when we were told leave now if you don’t accept the terms. I later heard that it turned out to be so much worse than I thought it was going to be. I’m glad I left but sad no one went with me.

    • @Isabelgg18
      @Isabelgg18 11 місяців тому +9

      That’s really awesome that you spoke up/didn’t accept what was happening. There is actually research on it - I’ve been listening to Dr Honda’s podcast eps on cults today and they mention a study about this.
      It was something along the lines of everyone in a group all saying that two lines were the same length (they were actually different lengths) and people wouldn’t always speak up if they disagreed because of the group’s overall consensus. People don’t want to be the only outlier and it’s really hard!

    • @RockyDaTherapist
      @RockyDaTherapist 11 місяців тому +14

      @@Isabelgg18 It took so much for me to walk out especially because it was something I thought would help me with friends because I was lonely and didn’t really have any at the time. One of the people who stayed had a mental health crisis due to the abuse. In the end I’m glad I left and hopefully set an example.

    • @sarahsmith3682
      @sarahsmith3682 11 місяців тому +4

      Good for you for leaving. That sounds like a very scary group to be part of

  • @TheSinthea
    @TheSinthea 11 місяців тому +19

    as someones whos been in a cult, cults feel really good at first. They feel safe and warm and all embracing. You dont notice the isolation because all you want to be is inside until it all comes crashing down and youre left standing in the ruins of your life when the illusion has blown away.

    • @chandaniberry9369
      @chandaniberry9369 3 місяці тому

      Pretty much like in a narcissistic relationship 😮😮

  • @cierra247
    @cierra247 11 місяців тому +10

    Dr. Honda’s yikes laugh gets me every time

  • @CHK12319
    @CHK12319 11 місяців тому +32

    This documentary gets insane at the end. So glad you're reacting to it.

  • @elizasoutie
    @elizasoutie 11 місяців тому +40

    I just watched this series, and it just gets more and more bonkers. I’m enjoying Kirk’s “ha ha HAAAA!” reaction to the early parts - getting ready for a lot of “Yikes” as the harmful impact of this group on the participants becomes more and more extreme.
    I also watched “Love Has Won” and that cult seems much more like a shared group delusion than a deliberate con. It seemed like the leader tried to recant her claims occasionally as she fell ill, and the participants would not allow it. I’d love to hear Kirk’s take.

    • @sherriromas5871
      @sherriromas5871 11 місяців тому +2

      OMG I watched it too and although this cult in Twin Flames is a big yikes for a lot of reasons, I found Love Has Won REALLY disturbing because the leader clearly suffers greatly from substance abuse and mental health issues. Watching her "accend" and have her cries for help be considered her delusion was hard to watch

    • @elizasoutie
      @elizasoutie 11 місяців тому +1

      I’m with you. I can’t remember another cult documentary where I felt like the leader was also trapped in the system

    • @RichardE221
      @RichardE221 11 місяців тому

      I’ve seen both. This one is worse than the cult of Mother God. It has worse sociological implications. As far as cults go, it rivals the nuttiness of Heaven’s Gate

    • @sherriromas5871
      @sherriromas5871 11 місяців тому

      @@RichardE221I was referring to the series-LHW was way harder to watch, imo, because you are watching someone with severe mental health and substance abuse issues actively kill themselves.

  • @starg47
    @starg47 11 місяців тому +2

    I like the point you made about not seeing the leader's intentions in the very beginning, a lot of people don't understand cults.

  • @ladyatlarge3844
    @ladyatlarge3844 11 місяців тому +3

    I kept saying out loud while watching this..."Just wait Dr Honda, just wait!"

  • @catherine.rezzuto
    @catherine.rezzuto 11 місяців тому +7

    "I'm a magical creature on this planet and I'm not just going to become an accountant." - dr. kirk honda, 2023.

    • @baltmv
      @baltmv 11 місяців тому

      😂

    • @caroline-ou2st
      @caroline-ou2st 11 місяців тому

      This could be a good Shirt 😂

  • @veeforvictoria
    @veeforvictoria 11 місяців тому +8

    It was pure joy to hear you laugh 🥹

  • @colettephair
    @colettephair 11 місяців тому +3

    Thank you for saying that about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. It's true that a lot of traditional doctors who can't immediately pinpoint the problem in a 5 minute consult will just say there's nothing wrong. Like ok cool thanks guys.

  • @SJ-um2ym
    @SJ-um2ym 11 місяців тому +10

    Thank you for your comments about the US mental health disaster. Watching you has encouraged me to reach out to a therapist again. Without insurance I was unable to find help but, finally today I found a community counseling service at no cost! Thank goodness for the kindness of a private charity. I could have avoided so many disasters if I’d have had easy access years ago. So many people would have remarkably different lives if the US valued mental health funding.

  • @chocolatecat198
    @chocolatecat198 11 місяців тому +10

    I just finished watching the Amazon documentary about the TFU called "Desperately Seeking soulmate" and I really hope that you'll react to that as well. They include some interviews with childhood friends of Jeff and Shaleia. One of Jeff's friends described a conversation they had which suggests he may have, at least partially, actually believed that he had the ability to cure any illness, including cancer!? It would be so interesting to hear your reaction to both documentaries, if possible!! The question of how much does a leader of a similar group/cult truly believe what they say is fascinating and I'd love to hear a more psychological take on it. Thank you for doing this reaction series, it's so helpful!

  • @sgolomer
    @sgolomer 11 місяців тому +3

    Some of your more endearing reactions are when faced with humanity at its worst 😂❤

  • @RebelFitz
    @RebelFitz 11 місяців тому +9

    I'm loving these Twin Flames reaction videos!

  • @misse7095
    @misse7095 11 місяців тому +24

    I agree that Jeff doesn’t believe he’s “the new Christ” or has healing abilities. He knows he’s bilking and manipulating people.

    • @RockyDaTherapist
      @RockyDaTherapist 11 місяців тому +5

      I think it started out with him knowing he’s scamming people and somewhere along the line he forgot it’s a scam. The dissent into madness was all I could think while watching the documentary.

    • @misse7095
      @misse7095 11 місяців тому +3

      @@RockyDaTherapist that’s totally possible! For some reason this seems different than, say, the Love Has Won cult where it seems apparent that the cult leader had a mental break of some sort.

  • @thatsnotgabi
    @thatsnotgabi 9 місяців тому

    i especially appreciated the parallels to personal relationships in this episode. i don’t think i would have compared these situations myself, but it sure makes a looooot of sense

  • @Ms.Prairie
    @Ms.Prairie 11 місяців тому +3

    1:11 Ahhhhahaha, this sass chuckle just made my whole afternoon!😂

  • @khadijatariq8894
    @khadijatariq8894 11 місяців тому +9

    This is my favorite series that you ever reacted to! Love it. I wait daily to see if you’ve posted a video on it. ❤

  • @julianajohnson4767
    @julianajohnson4767 10 місяців тому

    Something I’ve always said to recovered addicts friends I’ve been sober with through recovery, is “drugs and cults are designed to hook the strongest people”

  • @rhondajohnson8310
    @rhondajohnson8310 11 місяців тому +5

    Seeing the reaction videos my feed made me take a look at this. I've watched the NXIUM along with other cult documentaries. This one hit different because of how quickly and easily this went from somewhat 'helpful-ish' to the followers to WTF just happened?? It is one of the scariest things I watched to see how manipulative and controlling they were

  • @kimmi2662
    @kimmi2662 11 місяців тому +23

    There must be a cult leader play book floating around because the structure is all the same...promises of a beautiful life, that turns to mental, emotional and physical abuse, inappropriate behavior from the leader and overall domination. Very dangerous.

    • @Theinfamouskiki411
      @Theinfamouskiki411 11 місяців тому

      I was in a cult so yes its the same bs different cult

    • @kendrabean606
      @kendrabean606 11 місяців тому +1

      Look on Trump's desk next to the nuclear secrets.

    • @bombadillo
      @bombadillo 11 місяців тому +2

      People are the same everywhere. When you’re suffering you want to be happy. At almost any cost and will believe anyone who appears to have it more than you. Damaged people following even more damaged people. Rinse and repeat. It’s just human nature.

    • @baintreachas
      @baintreachas 11 місяців тому +1

      Cults all share these characteristics because they are defined by them. You’re not watching documentaries about anything that falls outside that formula… bc it’s not considered a cult

  • @lorraineweinstein1597
    @lorraineweinstein1597 11 місяців тому +16

    Are some types of people more susceptible to cults than others, even if anyone could potentially get sucked in? It would be interesting to hear you discuss this.

    • @Alayhoo
      @Alayhoo 11 місяців тому +1

      I agree. I’ve been thinking about that question a lot this year. To me, in addition to vulnerability, feelings of desperation and loneliness, it seems like folks prone to magical thinking and applying meaning to arbitrary phenomenon seem to be at higher risk. I think Christian religions as well really prime folks brains to engage in magical thinking and disengage from critical thinking making it more difficult for those folks to determine the credibly of different sources of information and seek out information that is absolutist and dichotomous (us vs. them, black and white thinking, etc.). Highly educated folks fall in to the same trap, I think because STEM in general is reductionist by design and also likes to operate in dichotomies. Uncertainty seems very difficult for us humans to tolerate, me included! I think a lot of people wish being a human was simpler and will spend oodles of time and money trying to make something inherently complex and ambiguous, being human, less complicated.

  • @athinadc
    @athinadc 10 місяців тому

    15:00 it’s interesting you say this cus this sort of thing happened to me in a calculus class i had a professor embarrass me so bad in front of the whole class cus i made a mistake on a test and i just… still feel so embarrassed over a past mistake that a person in authority absolutely ridiculed me for in an environment where the information is new for me. very disgusting way to behave with that sort of power, seems sadistic. i’m glad you realize that there’s a power dynamic there, some professors don’t care and are cruel for no reason.

  • @staceytenbusch2732
    @staceytenbusch2732 11 місяців тому +5

    Even better…telling people to ignore lol, the restraining order. The restraining order doesn’t matter because it’s their twin flame.

    • @baltmv
      @baltmv 11 місяців тому

      Hilarious

  • @lisahealthyhair
    @lisahealthyhair 11 місяців тому +3

    TPS reports! 😆😆 make sure to leave them next to my stapler… it’s a Swingline 😂

  • @Ms.Prairie
    @Ms.Prairie 11 місяців тому

    24:08 Big feels, Dr. Honda.
    My mom is a psych nurse, and my dream is to get my MSW or teach social work to others. I have so many political feelings about it all, but i’m so grateful for Gen X like you and my mama who take this all seriously on the macro scales.
    Love to you!
    (PS: More Berto, please!! ❤)

  • @piranaplant
    @piranaplant 11 місяців тому +1

    I mean I totally could have seen myself falling into this in the early days out of sheer lonliness if I didn't have my therapist

  • @i3mma
    @i3mma 11 місяців тому +1

    You should definitely do "Sarper and Shekinah, 90 Day Fiancé: The Other Way" Their relationship would be interesting to hear your thoughts on.

  • @stellannie86
    @stellannie86 11 місяців тому +6

    I love how these two kooks give the doctor this kind of a giggle :,D

  • @RichardE221
    @RichardE221 11 місяців тому

    Dr Honda, you have no idea where this is heading.

  • @איריספאינגולד
    @איריספאינגולד 11 місяців тому +1

    Hey dr.kirk, i was wondering what your opinon of daniel mackler was.

  • @brandydacanay5743
    @brandydacanay5743 11 місяців тому +1

    TPS reports! Office Space!

  • @DaniNouveauWitch
    @DaniNouveauWitch 11 місяців тому +3

    I laughed along with you at 1:10 😂

  • @cltsve
    @cltsve 11 місяців тому +1

    8:20 that laugh 😂❤

  • @charlize9341
    @charlize9341 11 місяців тому

    According to the documentary on Amazon, the question is not so much "Did Jeff believe his own bs or know he was selling bs?" but "Did Jeff believe Megan's twin flames idea for real?".

  • @misse7095
    @misse7095 11 місяців тому +10

    The Prime doc goes into more detail about Shaleia’s past and culpability. She’s not what she seems on the surface.

    • @RenayOpish
      @RenayOpish 11 місяців тому +1

      Yeah- she is an equal partner- from what we can see in these documentaries, anyway.

    • @misse7095
      @misse7095 11 місяців тому +1

      @@RenayOpish did you see the interview with her father? I had to listen twice because I shocked at his opinion of her.

    • @trustyourpulse
      @trustyourpulse 11 місяців тому +1

      @@misse7095is that in the prime doc?

    • @misse7095
      @misse7095 11 місяців тому

      @@trustyourpulse Yes! It’s worth a watch!

  • @bricksfeathers5423
    @bricksfeathers5423 11 місяців тому +1

    Dr. Honda, I hope you and your co-hosts are vetting the people who request Cameos--not that Putin would bother with a therapist from Seattle, but please be careful.

  • @LenaBelleMusic
    @LenaBelleMusic 5 місяців тому

    Is it possible that Jeff is suffering from untreated manic bipolar disorder (feelings/delusions of grandeur) and some psychosis?

  • @fabibibine
    @fabibibine 11 місяців тому +1

    His wife looks like she has some kind of ailment of her own....who would believe anything they say!? 😒🤔

  • @stxrryd
    @stxrryd 11 місяців тому +9

    The weird thing about this is that the concept of twin flames are not even unique to this cult. This cult basically took a spiritual belief from another religion/belief system and manipulated it into something it is not. That is the most disgusting part of it all. Now people associate these kinds of beliefs with belonging to a cult or organization when it's not the case at all.

    • @edbrown5956
      @edbrown5956 11 місяців тому +3

      Same with a lot of religion off shoots. They take the core values then add a bunch of extra cash grab crap to it. Then the person gets so disgusted they put all of them into the same boat. I hear hints of this with Dr. K's views on evangelical Christians. A few bad apples ruins the name for them all.

    • @baintreachas
      @baintreachas 11 місяців тому

      what religion/belief system? I thought it was just an expression

    • @stxrryd
      @stxrryd 11 місяців тому

      @@baintreachas Most commonly known to come from ancient Greek religions but has mentions in Hinduism, Buddhism, and some Evangelical Christian denominations

  • @Leslie318T
    @Leslie318T 11 місяців тому

    Watching them using the term, "Twin Flame," is hard because that is not what I know about twin flames. Mystic Michaela talks about them. Know Your Aura with Mystic Michaela: ep 199 talks about how Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham are twin flames. Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez, Nina and Ian from Vampire Diaries, Courtney Kardashian and Scott, Ep, 66,13, 44, 9. and 208 talked about this show.

    • @Leslie318T
      @Leslie318T 11 місяців тому

      Having a twin flame is annoying according to MM and people who believe they have one.

    • @TrinityShining
      @TrinityShining 10 місяців тому

      There's always a benefit to mankind, as a result of the relationship - it's more than just two people working well together.

  • @iamhazelnuts
    @iamhazelnuts 11 місяців тому +2

    Has anyone watched the show(?) The Therapist by Noisey? I'd love to hear Dr Honda react to that.

    • @misse7095
      @misse7095 11 місяців тому +1

      Where’s it streaming? Sounds interesting.

    • @iamhazelnuts
      @iamhazelnuts 11 місяців тому +3

      @@misse7095 UA-cam! I'd be curious to know what you think. My friends kinda laughed it off but I found those episodes incredibly profound and moving, and I think watching them helped prepare me for therapy myself.

    • @misse7095
      @misse7095 11 місяців тому +1

      @@iamhazelnuts finding it now! Thank you!

  • @jessayca
    @jessayca 11 місяців тому

    Watching, completely aware of the irony that if Dr Kirk started a cult I'd join tomorrow 😂

  • @hopehayes7131
    @hopehayes7131 11 місяців тому

    LOL did anyone else get an add for Maxwel Maltz after this vid....oof

  • @laurenking4822
    @laurenking4822 11 місяців тому

    that laugh 🤣🤣🤣

  • @gunnhildk6299
    @gunnhildk6299 11 місяців тому +2

    Has healing been debunked? That´s new to me. That said, I don´t defend the couple talked about in this video. They sounds nuts.

    • @misse7095
      @misse7095 11 місяців тому +1

      I was wondering that too.

    • @edbrown5956
      @edbrown5956 11 місяців тому +5

      Naw you just need to find crystals. Make jewelery with them and you will never get sick. Just need a few thousand dollars worth for perfect health and an amazing life! Don't worry about the poor people mining the stones.....there sadness and pain won't negatively effect the crystals power to make you feel AMAZING and IMMORTAL!🙄

    • @misse7095
      @misse7095 11 місяців тому +2

      @@edbrown5956 I had a friend who sought alternative healing for her cancer. Thank goodness she also had medical help as well. It wasn’t crystals but did involve reiki, shamans and a variety of other things. It was infuriating because certain practitioners would tell her that her cancer was just a “scab” that was dissolving itself and going away. Needless to say, it wasn’t and she did pass away. I’m very interested in any formal studies that delve into various alternative treatments as a result.

    • @devlijtigemier
      @devlijtigemier 11 місяців тому +1

      I don't see how healing can be debunked really. If anything there's more proof that it works. It's just harder to believe/trust for people that are cognitive and mind based.

    • @gunnhildk6299
      @gunnhildk6299 11 місяців тому

      @@devlijtigemier I agree. Healing works, and it is a wonderful thing people can do for each other.

  • @CapeEniEer
    @CapeEniEer 10 місяців тому

    I was watching this series hoping to gain insight into the "cult" but a lot of whats mentioned in the documentary seems to be blatant lies and I can tell whats a lie and whats not from only following the TFU stuff for 3 months, the clips are very intentionally chopped up. Watching Dr.Kirk react to fiction is unfortunately incredibly boring.

  • @craz4jaymz
    @craz4jaymz 11 місяців тому

    Why has my comment on Teal Swan been removed? I had added links proving that the doc on her had been heavily edited AND links on where she said to never believe any teacher incl herself who says that only they have the answer.

    • @Ms.Prairie
      @Ms.Prairie 11 місяців тому

      Can’t answer your question, but I don’t buy that logic from them because cult leaders with a lieutenant, as Dr. Honda described, specifically speak oxymoronically or in twisted meanings.
      They deliberately hold two contradictory positions at once because it is just simply bait. They can alter that bait, and the next catch won’t notice they were promised something slightly different or alternative to what another was fed moments/months ago.
      It’s what charlatans do.

    • @Ms.Prairie
      @Ms.Prairie 11 місяців тому +1

      Did you link directly to her content? That may have been why Honda’s team removed it. He doesn’t want anyone to be harassed (not that you would but people who have anger against her)

    • @craz4jaymz
      @craz4jaymz 11 місяців тому

      @@Ms.Prairie yes, I did because I wanted him to watch those specific videos. I wanted him to watch her in action. She has three videos that warns everyone about blindly following spiritual teachers which includes her. In fact, she thinks that is what is wrong with the spiritual community and that is what she has been trying for years to change. The links also have her reaction to the Deep End doc. Her team and the participants were also filming in their own cameras, which she had added to her reaction videos. The doc had horrified her to her core as it had grossly misrepesented her.

    • @caroline-ou2st
      @caroline-ou2st 11 місяців тому +2

      Links Are usually Automatically deletet because of bots. Nothing Special

    • @craz4jaymz
      @craz4jaymz 11 місяців тому

      @@caroline-ou2st ok, so you dont have the ability to say that without sounding snarky or are you a teenager? Try working on that ability.

  • @annad693
    @annad693 11 місяців тому

    I really enjoy your commentary but this one you were very hard to follow. As someone with chronic illness it's very exhausting when you don't know where you are going with your sentance. Love what you do but you can see the lack of preparation in this one

    • @sarahsmith3682
      @sarahsmith3682 11 місяців тому +11

      I think it's really unnecessary for you to leave a comment like this. This is a reaction video. That's the whole point of it, for him to react in real time as the show is playing