Made that shit look so easy. As a Bucks Fan I thought Milwaukee would just be back. Khris got hurt and we were a 2nd Round Exit. Vs the Same Boston Bron Beat in 7 with no help. Incredible.
@@chauvintookaknee4blm268 Jr smith, Iman shumpert ?? 😂😂 if that’s so easy melo would’ve seen one finals minute in his career. love & ky went down 2015 STILL MADE IT, 2018 Ky Gone & Love Washed STILL MADE IT, Wade & Bosh would’ve been folded in half by boston big 4 if it wasn’t for bron. Kyrie ?? That boy didn’t even see one playoff minute before lebron. Just give props where it’s at n I won’t sit here n lie like he didn’t have superior teams but the line between good and superior in those teams WAS LEBRON JAMES, why wasn’t NYK Melo seeing sucess? What happened to Miami once he left? 3 #1 Draft picks for Cavs in a decade after he left in 2010 , lebron IS THE SUPERTEAM.
To even make 1 finals is hard. But to make 8 straight is beyond impressive. And each run had it’s own set of adversity. LeBron’s run to 8 straight was insane.
@@kapo2012fb Scrub teammates? Aging teammates? Injured teammates? Sctub teammates vs suoerteam? Your just a fanboy if another player. The 2010's mustve been hard for you
This video was needed. Nobody remembers Bosh getting hurt in the playoffs in 2012. Nobody remembers kyrie limping through the 2015 playoffs. Nobody remembers 50/50 games, moments coming down to the wire yet somehow LeBron's team ends up on top. Nobody remembers LeBron going beast mode in deciding games where its do or die. You can talk about the competition all you'd like, but don't leave out the rest of the important details.
People acting like Lebron was going up against trash teams every year. 2011 celtics with 4 all stars and had just gone to game 7 of the finals the year before. 2011 bulls with 62 wins and mvp rose. 2014 1st seeded Pacers having literally the greatest defense statistically of all time. 2015 bulls with 3 all stars, gasol, rose, and butler along with reigning dpoy noah. Then the 2015 60 win hawks with 4 all stars. Oh and he beat both teams with his 3rd best player out and his 2nd best player injured. the 2018 60 win raptors and the 2nd seeded celtics in 2018 both series he wasnt favoured in and he still won. Oh and not to mention the injuries like u said. Bosh out vs the pacers and celtics in 2012, no problem. Love out for the entire 2015 playoffs and kyrie injured, no problem. Love being out for the crucial games 6 and 7 of the 2018 celtics series and he wins BOTH games with his 2nd best player being jeff green.
Nobody remembers Kyrie limping through the 2015 playoffs? Lol we absolutely do. That’s why we laugh when you use his absence as an excuse against the Warriors. Didn’t need him to beat the 60 win Hawks team with 4 all-stars
I truly believe there will be no other NBA player to accomplish a feat like that You can say what you want about competition and what not but making the Finals 8 straight seasons and being healthy for all seasons, that is unheard of in sports
I mean even if we ingnore the Celtics winning 8 in a row, and going to 10 straight due to era. The Lakers also went to 7 finals in 8 years from 1982-89, and 9 in 12 years overall. It is incredibly difficult but their is precedence for stuff very similar to this in basketball. Heck the Warrors just went to 5 straight and injuries and infighting had to stop them. The Bulls went to 6 in 8 years. Someone else making it to 8 in a row in the next 50 + years wouldn't be that surprising, since players that consistently repeat success at nearly the level required to pull this off, seem to show up every decade. We just need 1 of them to get over the hump eventually. Maybe the new CBA leads to a new era of parity where things like this don't happen as much. Maybe expansion to 40 teams makes it that much more difficult to stack the deck. But who knows. I tend not to bet against greatness eventually happening in sports, because people are pretty much always proven wrong someday when you are betting against the field of the rest of history.
@@DoubleTTB22 similar but never exactly Especially with the way things are now with player movement 8 years ago was 2015 and the only team that still had the same core players is GSW
History doesn’t remember second place stop acting as if losing in the finals is something brag worthy and lebron wouldn’t trade all 6 finals losses for ONE more ring!!
@@bertooo1358 You talk like you've never played competitive sport before. Getting to the finals is a way better achievement than not making the playoffs or even getting swept in the first round. No one has ever won a championship every year they've played in the NBA.
@@TheSlithice bozo you Lebron fans act as if making it to the finals in a weak eastern conference deserves the same praise as winning it all! How many champions came from the west and from the east and ponder on that! There has been THREE dynasties during Lebrons career and he has not been a part of a single one and they were all from the west not the east!
@@bertooo1358 Lebron made them look weak. Detroit Pistons were defending champs, big 4 Celtics were in the mix and also won. Before the rounds started all the pundits said he was gonna lose and was outmatched just to do revisionist history like you're doing right now. They did the same shit in the west when they won. Blazers were the best 8 seed ever, cant stop harden and westbrook, Nuggets are gonna win easy, fraud behavior, just like you're doing.
The Warriors and Heat have been in the Finals 12 out of the last 13 times and have somehow never played each other. LeBron played in 10 of those and played against both teams.
That 2018 pacers series was so dire at one point people forget. And most people has the cavs losing to the Celtics coming into that series. And let’s not forget the raptors were considered one of the best TEAMS in the league, not just eastern conference.
@@KingTaylor-pl2el u don't remember media had em losing to pacers, talkin bout it's there year lol, they said raptors were finally gonna get ova tha hump, u truly don't remember that
Great piece. One added note on LeBron's "stacked" teams. Play-by-play data tells us that Bron's teams, when he wasn't on the floor those eight seasons, scored 17,310 points and gave up 18,040 points to their opponents, which translates to a 29-win team (in an 82-game season). I wouldn't call that stacked. Yes he played with some all-stars, but in the Cleveland years, when Kyrie was on the floor and Bron sat, the Cavs were just as bad as before LeBron came back to Cleveland. (In the minutes with Kyrie on the floor but not Bron, the Cavs were equivalent to a 35-win team.) And even in Miami, the Heat when Wade and Bosh were on the floor without Bron were only an even-up team (points and points allowed about even), while Bron with either of the other stars had success equivalent to a 64-win team; with all three stars the Heat were equivalent to a 70-win team. You could argue that some of this is LeBron's fault: always wanting to play with other star players, he was on a lot of top-heavy teams that didn't have enough rebounding, enough this or that--they were thin. But whereas Bron in those years was always successful in any configuration (in Miami, when Bron played without either Wade OR Bosh, the Heat were STILL equivalent to a 52-win team), the other stars could never carry those thin teams when Bron sat.
LeBron has never played on as stacked a team as MJ. Without MJ the bulls went from a 57win team to a 55 win team. The Cavs and Heat without LeBron lost ~30 more games the following season.
@@adambomb611 Right, and yet the general perception is that MJ played with role players while Bron played with HOFers and all-stars. People can list the names of teammates all they want, but the evidence says that LeBron's teams in their best years were average, but on the whole were basement level, while MJ's teams at least by midway through his career with the Bulls, were average at worst and at best contenders even without MJ. And yet, LeBron won 57 of every 82 games he played in between the ages of 21 and 35 (the same ages MJ played with the Bulls), while MJ won 56 out of every 82. Both players made the playoffs 13 times during those years. MJ on average took his teams 9.92 wins deep into the post-season (counting all first-round advances as 4 wins for fairness' sake), and LeBron on average led his teams 12.69 wins deep. The conclusion should be obvious--at the same ages, LeBron won more with worse teams. He's better.
@adambomb611 LeBron played with many All Stars BUT MJ played with more defensive sounded teammates. Is Kyrie a lock down defender? Nah. He's ok defensively. Love too is like that, at least from the limited games I saw him play. Wade is better defensively, Bosh too. But Wade then have hamstring issues and that sapped his legs. All Star Games btw are popularity contests too, where there are times some All Stars that do deserve to be All Stars but they aren't All Stars. Then All Stars who don't deserve to be there. MJ on the other hand, played with teammates so good offensively AND defensively. They have CHEMISTRY while LeBron has to adjust, teammates has to adjust to him too.
The fact that some people try to knock this accomplishment by saying he didn’t win them all is unbelievable. Goes to show how little people know about basketball.
No nobody remembers 2nd Place. Alot of players won on LBJs watch. His final loses will always be held against him. The East was Weak and Lebron would Rally a Superteam every Year. Other may praise him but with the help he had he should've won more.
I think another impressive aspect of all his Finals runs, is the lack of consistency of roster. Obviously, Dom talked about the impact of injury, but he was also doing this with a variety of rosters; no two years the same
because he is the Le GM..😂 a bad Le GM..😂can you imagine if he stayed in Miami? No matter how many championships he got there Wade will always have plus one. He is a good player but not a good talent evaluator. He cant humble himself and let the front office and coach to do their job. Thats why he lost to Spurs, GSW, Mavs, Boston, Denver. Such a sad story..
LeBron made it to the finals so many times in a row people started thinking it was easy to get there. Here we are having different teams and different set of players in the finals since then. That's sooo wild.
@@twotomato it means your in the top 2 teams in the league and you are better than everyone in your conference. Why would not put importance on making it to the finals. It’s second to actually winning the nba championship. Making it to the finals between a mix of winning and loosing it means you are literally one of the very best teams in the league
guess people forget how the conference he was playing in was MUCH worse than the other one, so that doesnt actually mean he was in the second best team of the league or whatever, and dont take me as a bron hater, i love bron but when im praising him im talking about everything but the finals appearances of his
He lost because he is the Le GM..😂 a bad Le GM..😂can you imagine if he stayed in Miami? No matter how many championships he got there Wade will always have plus one. He is a good player but not a good talent evaluator. He cant humble himself and let the front office and coach to do their job. Thats why he lost to Spurs, GSW, Mavs, Boston, Denver. Such a sad story..
It’s insane to see just how much he really is hated, like you don’t have to be a fan and have him as your GOAT but he’s literally the greatest basketball player ever topped only by MJ, his resume and accolades are stacked, he’s a athletic anomaly in our sport, any all time stats list and there’s a 90% chance he’s on that list, you can’t even just use the “longevity” excuse when players who’ve played as long as he has or longer still don’t measure up to the stats he’s put up, he’s had the longest prime of any NBA player bar none. He had an unprecedented amount of hype as a kid and somehow even then still blew the expectations out of the water, he’s clearly suffered from his own success back in his prime where’d he’d take rosters way past their limits like the 07 Cavs who had no business going into the finals, or the 2018 Cavs when everyone counted them out, he’s had his moments of failure like 2011 but like I said you don’t need to be a fan but you have to pay respect where respect is due and he’s more than earned it
I’m glad you’re makin dis vid Dom cuz I remember 2017-18 a lot of your videos used to discredit LeBrons dominance at that time calling the eastern conference a “cakewalk” glad you came around and accepted greatness
This feels like such a classic Dom video, I love it so much, you always have such genuine well thought out takes that will never stop being enjoyable to watch and talk about.
@@melvinhhcp36152011 he should have won. He shouldn’t have won in 2014 as Wade was ass and the spurs went nuclear. He was not winning in 2015 due to teammate injuries or 2017 and 2018 because the warriors were so much better.
@@StFigarlandGarling Wade & Bosh reduced themselves as players to fit the LeSystem. KLove too. Wade impact could've been greater if Bum played off the ball & wasn't so ball dominant. The same thing is happening now in L.A. with AD. Bum marginalizes players.
@@melvinhhcp3615 no one was beating that 2017 warriors team, NO ONE. And in 2018 his supporting cast was so bad that if he wasn’t there they might have finished with 60+ losses;
2012: bosh hurt in playoffs , bron legacy game , okc stacked team and boston stacked team 2013 : wade and bosh injuries + slowdown and non-star performances , bron 16 point 4th quarter that led to the allen shot that led to a win against one of the best teams of all time. 2014: bosh and wade way out of prime made it to the finals to face one of the best finals teams of all time 2015: one of the iconics , buzzer beater to avoid 3-1 vs bulls , love injured , kai injured , avg 36 13 9 on a very skilled and 3rd best defense warriors who were a way better team 2016 : thankfully y’all remember about this but not many acknowledge how impossible it is to score 41 in two straight games averaging a triple with it being down 3-1 to tie it 3-3 and then have the greatest defensive play of all time and win it all vs a 73-9 warriors top 5 teams of all time and people seam to forget they had top 3 if not 1 defense in the league . 2017: no need to explain this kd + 73-9 is enough literally unbeatable, and bron averaged 32/10/11 that series 2018: probably the goat playoff run , 2 buzzer beaters , 7 40 point game , a finished kevin love 2nd best scorer and player on that sorry ass team , swept a really great Toronto team gave boston hell scary performances and had 51/8/8 vs warriors and still wasn’t enough shows how good they were 2019: before injury lal were 3 seed bron was leading mvp race still aging matters 2020: avg 29/10/8 on a playoff run on 52+ % shooting and being the best player in the world with likes of giannis,joker,embiid,curry,durant,harden should be at their prime while bron at 35 showed the world that he is the best in the world at 35 > than all those players in their prime 2021: yes he was leading mvp race before injury but after than injury bron was definitely not even 50% still took finalists suns to 6 with a traded roster 2022: we all witnessed that shit man it was special , could have had that scoring title if he wanted to … 2023: incredible at this age and damn closing out 40/10/9 at the best team in the nba with an injury shows that
No matter how "weak" the conference was, do you see anybody else go to 5, 6, 7, or 8 straight finals? In the last 30 years? There's always a "weak" conference. Even in a "strong" conference, most teams only really gave one tough competitor on their way to a finals. Sometimes two. That's how seeding works. A strong conference gets overblown a lot of the time.
I mean, he also formed super teams that usually had a collection trio of 3 of the top 15 players in the league. And yes, there's always a weak conference, but it depends how weak. For example, in 2012 the West's 9th place team had the same record as the East's 3rd and 4th seed team...so yeah, IT DOES MATTER A LOT.
bro even a gsw fan i cant deny lebron's greatness. If u still downplay what hes still doing at 38 yrs old its only bcuz u hate him. People are still expecting him to ball out at 39 or even 40 yrs old that is unheard of. Lebron carried his team to the finals when they were meant to be first round exits.
Obviously he’s great but the media he owns talks about him so much. Then you d riders say “oh they disrespect him so much” when they say one negative thing vs the 99 positive and or fake things to up him so much. I don’t feel bad for him one bit…
LeBron James is one of the greatest players I’ve ever seen (duh) and I will NEVER take for granted everything he’s done for basketball as a game, art form, and a culture. So thankful to be born at this time to witness his game.
He lost because he is the Le GM..😂 a bad Le GM..😂can you imagine if he stayed in Miami? No matter how many championships he got there Wade will always have plus one. He is a good player but not a good talent evaluator. He cant humble himself and let the front office and coach to do their job. Thats why he lost to Spurs, GSW, Mavs, Boston, Denver. Such a sad story..
Lebron was being compared as a mix of mj and magic before he could apply for a drivers license It hasnt sunk in with alot of ppl with what this kid has done
And that was a shocking thing too. Fool didn't miss anything before and even after that, and he didn't have injuries that took him out of the floor all the way until his Lakers years. We witnessed something truly particular.
LeBron’s consistency from 2003-2018 was truly a sight to behold. That 2015 season was the first time in his career he missed 10 or more games in a season. Not until his Laker years has he really been bitten by the injury bug
People just love to hate this feat because its LeBron James, if it was anyone else they'd be head over moon about it. Glad Ive been appreciating every bit of his career UPS AND DOWNS
Lebron James has normalized things that we would be shocked and awed at if any other top player in the league consistently did. I feel like when he retires a lot of people will reflect a lot nicer on his career and wish they didn't hate him for so much of it
People can try to downplay all the want. But the fact is, each of the last 5 years we have had a different champion, with only one repeating contender. LeBron went to NINE championships in ten years. That’s insane
@@caseybaker1147four rings for finals MVP's and has the most points out of any NBA player of all time and even at the age of 38 he's averaging 25 plus points 😂😂😂😂 your point. And before you say oh Jordan had more rings Bill Russell had more rings if you really want to compare eras Jordan played against expansion teams Bill Russell play against plumbers 😂
That's cause he jumped ships to form super teams in a historically weak Eastern conference. There literally was no excuse to him not go to the Finals all those years.
Stacked teams(who were favored to win the championship every year till 2017) and a weak conference in which, especially in the regular season, he could coast and then out talent the other teams who were not even seen as contenders for the championship. The team West was so much better that in all the Finals, the Cavs did not look like they belonged there and a million things had to go wrong just so they could beat Golden State. If he was out there winning 60 games every season and then dominating the playoffs, then the run would certainly be impressive and he would certainly deserve the accolades that his fans think he does.
i know the east may have looked weak during that time, although there were times he had challenges to face: 2011: relatively easy run, beat big three celtics and 62-20 bulls each in 5 games 2012: down 1-2 to pacers, bosh injured, down 2-3 to old celtics 2013: easy for first two rounds, then pushed to 7 by pacers 2014: easy for first two rounds, then pushed to 6 by pacers 2015: down 1-2 to bulls, kyrie day-to-day, swept 60-win hawks 2016: easy for first two rounds, but pushed to 6 by raptors 2017: relatively easy path to finals, although raptors were 51-31 and celtics 53-29 2018: pushed to 7 by pacers, swept 59-23 raptors, pushed to 7 by kyrie-less celtics led by tatum
Great vid as always. Does anyone else see any parallels between Lebron’s 2010s run to Brady’s 2010s run? I mean of course they’re different sports and all, but I often compare the two. Brady’s patriots made it to the afc championship game 8 years in a row, and won 3 super bowls during that run (just like Lebron won 3 NBA finals during that stretch). Both mounted epic comebacks (2016) and had won win they really should’ve lost (2013 NBA finals and 2014 SB).
@@jodlaa5142He only beat 1 ALL NBA first team player through that span and most of those years only needed to beat 1 50 win team to get to the finals.
@@machoking2405 he still got to the finals fucking 8 times in succession stop crying about it, also I did not ask you for any of that, what I stated in my comment has nothing to do with your response to me
I still think 2 3 peats is more impressive. Spurs never went back to back, Cavs didn't go back to back. Warriors went back to back 1 time and did not 3 peat. Last 3 peat was Shaq and Kobe and they didn't even win a ring after their 3 peat. Kobe did go to three straight finals without Shaq but only won 2 out of the three.
Let's not forget, sure those 60s teams of the Celtics and many other teams went to the Finals more times. But they have little to no chemistry issues if you compare that to what LeBron experienced. The changing of teams, coaches, sure the criticism for him trying to be GM and all is valid indeed. But at the same time, with him seeing players come and go. Different coaches and what not, he still went to 8 Finals.
Imagine it would worked out in his first Lakers season: 9 or even 10 straight finals. I was a little bit mad because it would have been so cool to see him in the finals in his first west season after leaving the "weak" east.
He won’t be passing the warriors in 19. Especially when lebron had young and inexeperienced players around him. And east was actually weak when he did the 8 straight finals run. He only faced 3 top 75 players of all time in that 8 year span. And they were those 3 players in boston in 2011 who were already old. After that, he barely even faced an all nba player.
@@rsarin18but that just goes to show you how good AD was. Lebron’s 1st season with the lakers they miss the playoffs, 2nd season when they get AD (they did add some other nice pieces but still A freaking D) they improve to one of the top seeds in the west and win the title. That shows how good AD is. Obviously lebron is great but he was there the year before and missed the playoffs
I think Bill Russell WINNING 8 STRAIGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS is more impressive. But yes, going to 8 straight Finals as the best player on the floor for most of it is also amazing.
There was less than 10 teams in the league and he had to win 1 round in the playoffs to get to the finals. Once you add context it’s not that impressive. Modern playoff basketball is 500x more difficult to advance in.
I definitely took it for granted before this video. But somewhere during the video it clicked. 8 straight finals appearances… 8 straight… 8 STRAIGHT!!!
As much as winning is important I hate how NBA fans act like getting to the Finals isn't at all an accomplishment in itself. Now I'm not saying that means guys like Baylor who got there to lose again and again are now up for being above those who made it once or twice but won but like you got to atleast win 3 series (in todays game) and for some 4 to get there.
Unpopular opinion: Winning the 2011 title wouldn't have helped Lebron's legacy . Let's say that LeBron didn't play out of his mind and just "choked a bit less" to the point where the Heat would win the 2011 title. Dwayne Wade would certainly have won the Finals Mvp since he was by far the best Heat player this series, arguably even better than Dirk . So LeBron would technically get his "elusive" first title on his first try with a good roster around him but can you imagine how much the media would have clowned him for not winning a title his first 7 seasons after being labeled " The Chosen one" and the greatest prospect ever while another player who was drafted the same year as him(D-Wade) already won a ring and a finals MVP in his 3rd year , then LeBron decides to join forces with him and Wade wins his second Finals MVP on the same team as LeBron? Also, if the Heat had 3peated in their first 3 seasons right after forming their big 3 , people would have put an (even bigger) asterisk on LeBron 's Heat rings and would question their value the same way they do for KD's warriors rings, saying that it was cheating his way to a ring ,that their superteam had too unfair of an advantage and that there was no parity in the league . The reason Lebron's Heat rings were more respected than Kd's Warriors rings is that the team didn't show its superiority right off the gate and he had to overcome adversity after the 2011 Finals and after going down 3-2 against the Celtics and having the legendary game 6 performance in Boston
TLDR the 2011 title does nothing for LeBron because he played subpar? I don't think so, at the time that absolutely would've been talk of the town and who knows if he would've been as motivated to get even better without the fuel that loss gave him. However after the fact like today no one would care how bad he played or not winning FMVP, only that he won would matter.
If LeBron gets his first ring with Wade as FMVP, ppl would've trashed him for "being carried" or something like that. Not to mention, I wonder if LeBron would've had the drive to go to 8 straight if he had not first suffered that failure vs. Dallas. It's a black mark, but arguably, without that, he doesn't become as great as he became
Even with the East was weak and his teammates being stacked compared to his competition is true to an extent, the toll of competing all those years in a row takes a lot of dedication, skill, and a good work ethic. It's even more impressive because he won 3/8 during that time, one was a 3-1 comeback and back to the East being weak compared to his team, there were other power houses after he left the East, like Philly, Boston, Milwaukee and Toronto. COMBINBED those four teams from 2018 - 2023 have only, made the finals three times and lost twice, and one being back to back with TOR and MIL 2019 and 2020 winning. When Bron was still in the East during the 2014-2018, these teams all hit there stride during during that time, with PHI and BOS showing up in 2017 and 2018, TOR being around all four years and MIL finally emerging after he left(They were still competitive before that). When he left the East was still open and yet those four teams in the same span couldn't do what he did. Even if you factor in his first four seasons with MIA, there were still competitive teams at the top end of the conference, they were CHI, BOS, ORL and IND. Bron won even more in that four year frame than he did the second time with CLE. It gets even worst, if Boston didn't form the big three in 2008, The Lebron led Cavs were pretty much meant to run the Eastern conference for years but they shifted that power away from him and even ORL who became competitive around the same time due to Dwight.
Lebron James is literally the only superstar in history who gets bashed for making it to the finals….. but we praise iversen and Barkley for getting to one 🤔.
@@MistyKathrine But most of the teams he beat to get to the Finals during that time had less than 50 wins. So it's not like he beat some great competition to get to the Finals many of those years.
The years LeBron went to the finals in the East happened bendy there were only about 3 teams that cared back then. Teams with 500 records were making the playoffs in the East.
As much as people want to bash LeBron for the opponents he faced, reality is that making the NBA finals no matter who you are is difficult. Also while many of those teams weren't serious, some definitely were, like the 15 Hawks, 13 pacers, 16-18 raptors, 12-13 Celtics, and the 18 Celtics were good despite Kyrie being hurt. All of the teams i just named were finals bound if LeBron James doesn't exist, the only reason we look at the Raptors and Hawks the way we do is because of how weak LeBron made them look, he made a mockery of them. There's only a handful of teams to make the finals 8 times for a reason, LeBron has done what few others are capable of. #Witness 💯💯💯💯
Great video. I think it’s hard to appreciate in the moment how impressive his 8 straight finals appearances were. Now that we are a few years removed you can really see how impressive it was. Also this video made me feel like if lebron was like 2 years younger he probably could of won another championship this year. Father Time looks to have caught up with him
Was never explicitly said in this video but this also happened during the toughest era in league history (at the time) with the most talent and the most competition. This truly isn’t a slight to any of these players but there’s next to 0 chance even if you think they’re clearly the goat that Mikan or Russell or MJ would have done this in the recent modern era
Dr. J and Jerry West were extremely impressed by LeBron's Finals appearance streak, and both discounted the w/l record as not reflective on him. (West's comments came when the streak was 'just' at 7 in a row.) West actually said using the Finals w/l record is the craziest way to compare players, ever.
2018 was the year I was like yeah he’s better than MJ. Like when you think about how impossible it looked back in the day that one player could carry a team the finals on his back, and not only did it once but he did it twice
Thank you for this. His 8 straight finals appearances are a feat that’s never been done and probably never will be again. Like you said, the east was weaker, but he still had many times where he saved his team after one or both of his co-stars got injured, or barely made it out of a 7 game series. People like to say “well he only won 3 of them so it’s really not that impressive”, but just getting there is a huge accomplishment in itself, and nearly half of those series were against the ridiculously talented Warriors dynasty. Edit: Ok guys I get it. Bill Russell did that too. Stop mentioning it please!!!!
@@proofessor8062 Yeah, I knew Bill Russell had done something along those lines, figured it might’ve been 8 or more. Or 10 of 11 titles I think it was. But to be fair, and I’m not talking down on Russell, he was a beast, but the NBA only had like 10? Teams I think. So didn’t think it was really comparable.
@@manz7860 Well unlike Russell since I’ve never heard this I decided to look it up, that’s simply not true. Most consecutive finals he made were two. He lost 8 so maybe that’s where you got the idea
Let’s be real, whatever you say on the MJ v LeBron debate, LeBron definitely had the harder teams to beat in the finals. His alternative career path would have been interesting if he’d stayed in Miami though, I think with how aggressive Pat Riley and the heat are in general they’d have been better competition against the W’s than the Cavs were
I understand this and it's true but jordan didn't play plumbers that's suns team was good so we're the blazers and jazz but people act like he played nobodies
@@Snake_619h he didn’t play nobodies don’t get me wrong - but didn’t play that warriors team year in year out. Like that was something else, basicallt impossible to beat especially one KD came in. And a very good Spurs side before that
You have to apply context both ways. Lebron faced better teams in the finals, but MJ faced better teams prior to the finals. Lebron faced the warriors and spurs multiple times in the finals, whilst MJ faced the Celtics and Pistons multiple times in the Eastern Conference playoffs.
@@joshuaarawole8589but you can’t say 6-0 in the finals like that’s the only record that matters but as soon as people point out the competition, the finals competition automatically doesn’t matter anymore and it’s based more on competition before the finals.
It's funny that nephews think that Lebron reaching 8 finals in 8 years is iMpReSsIvE but when Jordan wins 6 rings in 8 years all of the sudden basketball is a tEaMsPoRt.
What is easy for somebody else would be hard for us. If something looks easy for somebody, that's probably because they put in the work to be good at it. The criticisms of LeBron's Finals runs have validity to them. I'd like to see the people that claim that he had it "easy" try and do what he did. If it was as "easy" as people claim, every superstar in the league would do it, and they haven't.
Any legit superstar can make The Finals 8x in a row in the weaker conference, with handpicked superteams, and Adam Silver in their back pocket. That shit is grossly overrated. To think that he only "won" 3 titles in that time frame is disgusting. If he were in the West during that same stretch, those 8 straight appearances would've never happened. He can barely make the playoffs now without midseason trades & various roster moves. This is the objective, inconvenient truth. 💯
Another thing not mentioned on why the east was weak, was because LeBron was in the east. Big stars avoided being in the east with LeBron. As soon as LeBron left the east, you saw big stars moving to the east.
No, most of the teams LeBron faced didn't even win 50 games. LeBron making the Finals 8 times in a row was mostly because of having one of the best teams in a weak conference.
This would sound more impressive if we didn't call them finals appearances, but 8 straight conference championships. Same thing if our current awards existed then: playoffs MVP of the conference 8 years straight!
@Dom2k, thank you for making this video. It irritates me when people like Skip Bayless trash on LeBron's 8 straight final appearance by saying East was "weak."
It was still a great achievement, but it's an indisputable fact that the East was weak back then. So it's not like it was only because of LeBron's dominance. The weak Eastern conference definitely played in some part of that.
Stop it, he beat 1 ALL NBA First team player and had a superteam for majority of those finals runs. Yall gonna tell me Al Horford Hawks, Defrozen Raptors are better than teams like current celtics, heat and Bucks? Also if the east was so weak he would have a winning record in the finals.
Ppl worry so much about comparing players instead of just appreciating their greatness. There will never be another Jordan, LeBron, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Curry, etc. Just enjoy these players while we still have them.
I’m not a Bron hater he’s one of the Greatest ever but He teamed up with the best player in East at the time(Wade) and Bosh was an elite big at the time weaking the East then did it again a couple years later with (Kyrie). Who were the best teams Lebron beat during that run? Pacers with Paul George? One legit allstar. An old Celtics Team? A fraudulent raptors team? Derrick rose bulls? One legit allstar. And lebron getting AD with the lakers would be like MJ getting Hakeem or David Robinson. In their primes
Then how come nobody even really met him. I would consider Melo AT LEAST better then “elite” Bosh. Yet he only met LeBron once and it was a lower seed. People harp on how easy it is but everybody struggles to get even to LeBron. Dwight could have met Bron in 2011 with Orlando l but didn’t, Wade in 07,09, and 10 could have met Bron but didn’t, even Bosh could have met Bron in 07, Wall coudl have met Bron but didn’t, Giannis coudl have met Bron in 2018 but didn’t. The east still had talented players and the only teams that consistently met him were teams that were putting away the hall of fame individual talent with good pieces.
MJ was lucky to get Scottie Pippen drafted to his team, and who then took one of the worst contracts in NBA history that allowed them to build around Jordan, then trading for another HoFer to extend his prime. Let's not act like he did it alone. He just had more help from his team. LeBron decided to form his own team. Neither is good or bad, they simply are. It's funny that the two most dominant rosters in recent NBA history were created because of lucky cap shenanigans and stars underestimating their value.
Even if he joined or made superteams, the challenge of keeping it together is way more than easy than putting names on paper. Check how many teams tried and failed.
The best team LeBron ever joined is the 47 win Heat. MJ on the other hand joined a 55 win Bulls team. LeBron and the Heat immediately went to the finals. MJ and the Bulls lost in the 2nd round. They made a trade for MVP candidate Rodman and were then able to win. How does LeBron get so much hate for “super teams?”
He took 2 of the worst supporting casts ever to the NBA Finals. In 2018 specifically, he had no Klove (concussion) and No Kyrie and still dragged that team to the finals with Jeff green as his next best player. In 2015, similarly Kevin Love went down in round 1 and kyrie missed the ECF due to knee and leg issues. You know nothing.
And I mean Jimmy and DRose's Bulls were nice, Derozan and Lowry Raptors were nice, Paul George's Pacers were nice, Shid even 2014 Nets with Paul Pierce KG Joe Johnson Deron Williams and Brook Lopez were nice. And LeBron got thru them all.
Lebrons 8 straight finals has had a similar effect that westbrook has had on the triple double. It just isnt as impressive as it used to me because both normalized the accomplishments and made it look so damn easy. Yet no player has been able to accomplish what the two of them have since, but we still have these weird standards for triple doubles and final appearances
@MarcusTheJR that's how you know you've done something consistently great. When people start to discredit your achievements because you have made it trivial
Westbrook’s triple doubles are artificial. He was literally boxing out teammates, forcing assist and steals rebounds lmao. You’re a Box score watching casual, don’t have a clue how the game works
@@ivannatinkle4910 I like Westbrook but him averaging a triple double never translated to wins. LeBron going to 8 straight Finals is in a difficult stratosphere of achievements.
What makes it more impressive is that he switched teams back to Cleveland and left RIGHT where he left off in Miami. With the way the league is now, with the best teams getting better and people leaving all the time, ain't no damn way a player is ever doing this again
He lost because he is the Le GM..😂 a bad Le GM..😂can you imagine if he stayed in Miami? No matter how many championships he got there Wade will always have plus one. He is a good player but not a good talent evaluator. He cant humble himself and let the front office and coach to do their job. Thats why he lost to Spurs, GSW, Mavs, Boston, Denver. Such a sad story..
His comments after being swept by Nuggets, videos like these really makes us wonder how time flied and what a super athlete is gonna walk off the court in 2-3 years.
Bro. No one has forgotten. It's just not something that really moves people like that. I think winning 5 finals in 9 years like magic, or winning 5 finals in 10 years like Kobe, or even winning 5 finals across 15 years like Duncan are all more impressive then simply getting to 8 straight finals. Because if we really valued finals appearances like that Jerry west need to be a top 5-10 player of all time. But he ain't because he lost almost all his finals. We like to talk about winners. Not almost winners. Or am I just a hater 😆
That's not a great comparison. West is 1-8 in the Finals, never made more than 3 straight, many of those years they only had to win 1 playoff series to make the Finals. Also, several of West's finals losses came in winnable series that went to game 7. Aside from 2011, LeBron shows up in the Finals and when it's close, puts his team over the top. Most of those Finals losses were not winnable series, his team was usually outmatched. Winning at least 3 playoff series 8 years in a row is impressive, like it or not
@@MarcusTheJR lebron not a loser man. I should've phrased it better. But all I'm saying is that historically. Appearances are not as valued or talked about as much as winning. Bill Russell went to like 12 finals and won 11. We still talk about it today. Jerry west went to 9 and won 1. We talk about him when we think of the logo of the NBA. But he isn't talked about the same as Russel.
@@MarcusTheJRkd is what mj has left over if you subtract lebrons accolades from his. Mj would still have a career currently way better than what kd has.
Going to 4 finals and then jumping to a super team for 4 more final appearances really is not that impressive expesally since he lost over half those finals. Seams more embarrassing then anything to me. Shows his tru character under pressure.
I would be impressed if he did it all with one team. Joining a superteam, then going back to a team you bailed on and had to rebuild without you, doesn’t do it for me.
So basically you'd be impressed if he performed the impossible? Yall haters man 😂. No one is making that many finals without a great team. And even with great teams its extremely difficult. Idk why I'm wasting my time tho yall minds made up anyway
@@thecreed1212 no. Basically I am saying when you take two other superstars and join another team with them, it’s a failure to not go deep into the playoffs. Once he bailed on Cleveland to chase rings, he diminished his legacy.
Lmao embarrassing The Heat was beyond stacked I mean so over the top stacked Then he faced what team that stood a chance once he went back to the Cavs? Dude ALWAYS has two number one options For context Magic has 13 years played 9 finals appearances and five chips NEVER needing to team hop to get extra assets to keep teams beefed up Zero respect how the queen did it and the end results
The one and only time a loosing record is praised. It's not the first time a player has made the finals this many times in a row. Bill Russel made the finals 10 straight times and his record was 9-1. Opposed to Flop's 3-5 record. What is more impressive is a player to be able to repeat a threepeat. There is only one player that has done that.
Those 8 straight finals appearances were a pain in the ass everybody congratulated Lebron for it but bashed the Warriors the whole time they went to 5 straight finals
Everyone is ignoring the fact the East was much weaker than the West really it's no secret I'd love to see him go to eight finals in that west since everyone is saying is sooooo dominant.
@@epictubegamer yeah but you have to remember that was in the bubble and what else has he accomplished in the West 2018-19 missed the playoffs. 2019-20 won mickey mouse championship. 2020-21 lost in the first round. 2021-22 missed the playoffs, didn't even make the play in. 2022-23 lost in the Conference Finals. I mean sure I you can give him some benefit of the doubt but he deserves a fair share of the blame too.
@dacobylaw4721 iv always said if lebron were to be drafted in the West most likely the warriors in 03 he wouldn't come out the weet till he either have 2 all stars or by a miracle n his fanbase would be non existent
He gets too much credit imo, aside from 2018, the entire eastern conference run his teams wasn’t impressive, his teams had multiple all stars with solid depth playing teams with one real star on the team. Dame’s Blazers in one of his runs faced more all-nba players than the entirety of LeBron’s 8 year run😂 3 teams vs 24 like cmon man.
No its not impressive...who was threat to the heat and cavs for those 8 years? Plus every year Lebron teams were favored to win the east...Seriously who was a real threat in the east?
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Bron really made going to the finals look so easy even though its not
Made that shit look so easy. As a Bucks Fan I thought Milwaukee would just be back. Khris got hurt and we were a 2nd Round Exit. Vs the Same Boston Bron Beat in 7 with no help. Incredible.
@@thomassankara1391yeah it's impressive cuz you can't skip the 82 game season and another grind in the playoffs LeBron longevity is amazing
Ask Chris Paul he’s addicted 😂
LeBron, Bosh, Wade kyrie, love, Jr and shump who saved him his first season back in Cleveland. Also that facility in Miami for ya know
@@chauvintookaknee4blm268 Jr smith, Iman shumpert ?? 😂😂 if that’s so easy melo would’ve seen one finals minute in his career. love & ky went down 2015 STILL MADE IT, 2018 Ky Gone & Love Washed STILL MADE IT, Wade & Bosh would’ve been folded in half by boston big 4 if it wasn’t for bron. Kyrie ?? That boy didn’t even see one playoff minute before lebron. Just give props where it’s at n I won’t sit here n lie like he didn’t have superior teams but the line between good and superior in those teams WAS LEBRON JAMES, why wasn’t NYK Melo seeing sucess? What happened to Miami once he left? 3 #1 Draft picks for Cavs in a decade after he left in 2010 , lebron IS THE SUPERTEAM.
To even make 1 finals is hard. But to make 8 straight is beyond impressive. And each run had it’s own set of adversity. LeBron’s run to 8 straight was insane.
And to only win 3 out of 8 is crazier
@@kapo2012fbYea...MJ(cough)
@@Poopopotamusgaming which excuse are we going to use
@@kapo2012fb Scrub teammates? Aging teammates? Injured teammates? Sctub teammates vs suoerteam? Your just a fanboy if another player. The 2010's mustve been hard for you
@@kapo2012fb injuries and cowards banding to grew ther for superteams. Make it make sense. Imagine needing 5 allstars to take down one man lmfaoooooo
This video was needed. Nobody remembers Bosh getting hurt in the playoffs in 2012. Nobody remembers kyrie limping through the 2015 playoffs. Nobody remembers 50/50 games, moments coming down to the wire yet somehow LeBron's team ends up on top. Nobody remembers LeBron going beast mode in deciding games where its do or die. You can talk about the competition all you'd like, but don't leave out the rest of the important details.
people these days hate context
People acting like Lebron was going up against trash teams every year. 2011 celtics with 4 all stars and had just gone to game 7 of the finals the year before. 2011 bulls with 62 wins and mvp rose. 2014 1st seeded Pacers having literally the greatest defense statistically of all time. 2015 bulls with 3 all stars, gasol, rose, and butler along with reigning dpoy noah. Then the 2015 60 win hawks with 4 all stars. Oh and he beat both teams with his 3rd best player out and his 2nd best player injured. the 2018 60 win raptors and the 2nd seeded celtics in 2018 both series he wasnt favoured in and he still won. Oh and not to mention the injuries like u said. Bosh out vs the pacers and celtics in 2012, no problem. Love out for the entire 2015 playoffs and kyrie injured, no problem. Love being out for the crucial games 6 and 7 of the 2018 celtics series and he wins BOTH games with his 2nd best player being jeff green.
@@Gabriel-sh3ms you know ball my friend
@@gothbossbaby spittin
Nobody remembers Kyrie limping through the 2015 playoffs? Lol we absolutely do. That’s why we laugh when you use his absence as an excuse against the Warriors. Didn’t need him to beat the 60 win Hawks team with 4 all-stars
2018 did a lot for his legacy imo.
Especially when you consider the mid season nuke
2007 and 2018 really do
2016 did way more lol
Getting swept did a lot for his legacy 😂
@@talyncormier4214 obvious troll. You know what I mean.
@@talyncormier4214 No shit
I doubt we'll ever see another player do this again.
I'll go ahead and say it. We won't. And nobody will catch his scoring record when he retires.
@@marcusg1021😢😢 I’m glad to watch him, I get to say I’ve watched one of the great, or the greatest, play
@@marcusg1021 never say never man some 4 grader hooping rn
Unless there is another bill russell type dynasty
@@Sitback There will never be another "bill russel type dynasty" there are way too many teams for that to ever happen.
as a boston fan seeing him go against paul garnett and allen to smart tatum and brown was insane in real time
I truly believe there will be no other NBA player to accomplish a feat like that
You can say what you want about competition and what not but making the Finals 8 straight seasons and being healthy for all seasons, that is unheard of in sports
I mean even if we ingnore the Celtics winning 8 in a row, and going to 10 straight due to era. The Lakers also went to 7 finals in 8 years from 1982-89, and 9 in 12 years overall. It is incredibly difficult but their is precedence for stuff very similar to this in basketball. Heck the Warrors just went to 5 straight and injuries and infighting had to stop them. The Bulls went to 6 in 8 years. Someone else making it to 8 in a row in the next 50 + years wouldn't be that surprising, since players that consistently repeat success at nearly the level required to pull this off, seem to show up every decade. We just need 1 of them to get over the hump eventually.
Maybe the new CBA leads to a new era of parity where things like this don't happen as much. Maybe expansion to 40 teams makes it that much more difficult to stack the deck. But who knows. I tend not to bet against greatness eventually happening in sports, because people are pretty much always proven wrong someday when you are betting against the field of the rest of history.
@@DoubleTTB22 similar but never exactly
Especially with the way things are now with player movement
8 years ago was 2015 and the only team that still had the same core players is GSW
@@Emmanuel-yp4eq To be fair, Lebron also used player movement to his advantage to pull this off, so it goes both ways.
MJ basically did that while taking a 1.5 year hiatus in between, while also winning the finals every year, but that's also MJ
@@gavinr1425 Mental fatigue is an injury, then Jordan lost in his first year back. 8 straight is crazy.
9 Finals in 10 years the modern era will never see anything like this again. 🐐
History doesn’t remember second place stop acting as if losing in the finals is something brag worthy and lebron wouldn’t trade all 6 finals losses for ONE more ring!!
@@bertooo1358 You talk like you've never played competitive sport before. Getting to the finals is a way better achievement than not making the playoffs or even getting swept in the first round. No one has ever won a championship every year they've played in the NBA.
@@TheSlithice bozo you Lebron fans act as if making it to the finals in a weak eastern conference deserves the same praise as winning it all! How many champions came from the west and from the east and ponder on that! There has been THREE dynasties during Lebrons career and he has not been a part of a single one and they were all from the west not the east!
@@bertooo1358 Lebron made them look weak. Detroit Pistons were defending champs, big 4 Celtics were in the mix and also won. Before the rounds started all the pundits said he was gonna lose and was outmatched just to do revisionist history like you're doing right now. They did the same shit in the west when they won. Blazers were the best 8 seed ever, cant stop harden and westbrook, Nuggets are gonna win easy, fraud behavior, just like you're doing.
@@TheSlithice lebron miss four PLAYOFFS in his career 😂
The Warriors and Heat have been in the Finals 12 out of the last 13 times and have somehow never played each other. LeBron played in 10 of those and played against both teams.
Dam crazy stat
It was so close in 2022 if Jimmy would’ve hit that shot in game 7
Bron is the biggest choker in sports history
@@KingTaylor-pl2elnot even close
That's actually a crazy stat
That 2018 pacers series was so dire at one point people forget. And most people has the cavs losing to the Celtics coming into that series. And let’s not forget the raptors were considered one of the best TEAMS in the league, not just eastern conference.
Every series they had cavs losing
🧢🧢 cap
@@mylestonah_kruezeeznk8214 cap 🧢
@@KingTaylor-pl2el u don't remember media had em losing to pacers, talkin bout it's there year lol, they said raptors were finally gonna get ova tha hump, u truly don't remember that
@@mcqrueez bro Cleveland was favorite to win two of the 3 series in the east
Great piece. One added note on LeBron's "stacked" teams. Play-by-play data tells us that Bron's teams, when he wasn't on the floor those eight seasons, scored 17,310 points and gave up 18,040 points to their opponents, which translates to a 29-win team (in an 82-game season). I wouldn't call that stacked. Yes he played with some all-stars, but in the Cleveland years, when Kyrie was on the floor and Bron sat, the Cavs were just as bad as before LeBron came back to Cleveland. (In the minutes with Kyrie on the floor but not Bron, the Cavs were equivalent to a 35-win team.) And even in Miami, the Heat when Wade and Bosh were on the floor without Bron were only an even-up team (points and points allowed about even), while Bron with either of the other stars had success equivalent to a 64-win team; with all three stars the Heat were equivalent to a 70-win team. You could argue that some of this is LeBron's fault: always wanting to play with other star players, he was on a lot of top-heavy teams that didn't have enough rebounding, enough this or that--they were thin. But whereas Bron in those years was always successful in any configuration (in Miami, when Bron played without either Wade OR Bosh, the Heat were STILL equivalent to a 52-win team), the other stars could never carry those thin teams when Bron sat.
LeBron has never played on as stacked a team as MJ. Without MJ the bulls went from a 57win team to a 55 win team. The Cavs and Heat without LeBron lost ~30 more games the following season.
@@adambomb611 Right, and yet the general perception is that MJ played with role players while Bron played with HOFers and all-stars. People can list the names of teammates all they want, but the evidence says that LeBron's teams in their best years were average, but on the whole were basement level, while MJ's teams at least by midway through his career with the Bulls, were average at worst and at best contenders even without MJ. And yet, LeBron won 57 of every 82 games he played in between the ages of 21 and 35 (the same ages MJ played with the Bulls), while MJ won 56 out of every 82. Both players made the playoffs 13 times during those years. MJ on average took his teams 9.92 wins deep into the post-season (counting all first-round advances as 4 wins for fairness' sake), and LeBron on average led his teams 12.69 wins deep. The conclusion should be obvious--at the same ages, LeBron won more with worse teams. He's better.
@adambomb611 LeBron played with many All Stars BUT MJ played with more defensive sounded teammates. Is Kyrie a lock down defender? Nah. He's ok defensively. Love too is like that, at least from the limited games I saw him play. Wade is better defensively, Bosh too. But Wade then have hamstring issues and that sapped his legs. All Star Games btw are popularity contests too, where there are times some All Stars that do deserve to be All Stars but they aren't All Stars. Then All Stars who don't deserve to be there.
MJ on the other hand, played with teammates so good offensively AND defensively. They have CHEMISTRY while LeBron has to adjust, teammates has to adjust to him too.
The fact that some people try to knock this accomplishment by saying he didn’t win them all is unbelievable. Goes to show how little people know about basketball.
No nobody remembers 2nd Place. Alot of players won on LBJs watch. His final loses will always be held against him. The East was Weak and Lebron would Rally a Superteam every Year. Other may praise him but with the help he had he should've won more.
@@edge1247not against those kd warriors teams hell no lol
@@nav9867 The cavs lost to those warriors teams because Lebron couldn’t guard KD lol. KD was smokin that fatherless bum
@@kevmersa6578 Kd couldn’t guard bron either bron was smoking kd as well they played to a draw
@@nav9867 Then in 2018 Bron stopped guarding him altogether lol. He made Rodney hood guard him that’s why that bum got swept
I think another impressive aspect of all his Finals runs, is the lack of consistency of roster. Obviously, Dom talked about the impact of injury, but he was also doing this with a variety of rosters; no two years the same
I was looking for this comment this hella true
Fr the impact he has on his teams is crazy
He jumped to super teams to and played in a weak eastern conference with all the refs helping him
because he is the Le GM..😂 a bad Le GM..😂can you imagine if he stayed in Miami? No matter how many championships he got there Wade will always have plus one. He is a good player but not a good talent evaluator. He cant humble himself and let the front office and coach to do their job. Thats why he lost to Spurs, GSW, Mavs, Boston, Denver. Such a sad story..
LeBron made it to the finals so many times in a row people started thinking it was easy to get there. Here we are having different teams and different set of players in the finals since then. That's sooo wild.
Lebron kept choking in the finals tho
@@KingTaylor-pl2elonly chocked once tf are you talking about
@@Wisestomatoe once? Hell no fool lebron choked at least four finals fasho 💯💯
@@KingTaylor-pl2el you on drugs lil bro
@@KingTaylor-pl2el they not good for you
It’s the greatest streak since them 60s Celtics!! I don’t think it’ll be matched!!
greatest streak ever that celtics team was insanely stacked and there was only 8 teams in the league
honestly i dont know why people give so much importance to making into the finals, like what matters is actually winning 💀
@@twotomato because it you have to look at the context of who he's facing 2018 Bron isn't solo squading the warriors we know this.
@@twotomato it means your in the top 2 teams in the league and you are better than everyone in your conference. Why would not put importance on making it to the finals. It’s second to actually winning the nba championship. Making it to the finals between a mix of winning and loosing it means you are literally one of the very best teams in the league
guess people forget how the conference he was playing in was MUCH worse than the other one, so that doesnt actually mean he was in the second best team of the league or whatever, and dont take me as a bron hater, i love bron but when im praising him im talking about everything but the finals appearances of his
Never took this man for granted 👑
Curry better than lebron
He lost because he is the Le GM..😂 a bad Le GM..😂can you imagine if he stayed in Miami? No matter how many championships he got there Wade will always have plus one. He is a good player but not a good talent evaluator. He cant humble himself and let the front office and coach to do their job. Thats why he lost to Spurs, GSW, Mavs, Boston, Denver. Such a sad story..
It’s insane to see just how much he really is hated, like you don’t have to be a fan and have him as your GOAT but he’s literally the greatest basketball player ever topped only by MJ, his resume and accolades are stacked, he’s a athletic anomaly in our sport, any all time stats list and there’s a 90% chance he’s on that list, you can’t even just use the “longevity” excuse when players who’ve played as long as he has or longer still don’t measure up to the stats he’s put up, he’s had the longest prime of any NBA player bar none. He had an unprecedented amount of hype as a kid and somehow even then still blew the expectations out of the water, he’s clearly suffered from his own success back in his prime where’d he’d take rosters way past their limits like the 07 Cavs who had no business going into the finals, or the 2018 Cavs when everyone counted them out, he’s had his moments of failure like 2011 but like I said you don’t need to be a fan but you have to pay respect where respect is due and he’s more than earned it
Kd better than lebron it's facts 💯
@@KingTaylor-pl2el KD was never better than LeBron, even in KD’s prime he was #2
I’m glad you’re makin dis vid Dom cuz I remember 2017-18 a lot of your videos used to discredit LeBrons dominance at that time calling the eastern conference a “cakewalk” glad you came around and accepted greatness
This feels like such a classic Dom video, I love it so much, you always have such genuine well thought out takes that will never stop being enjoyable to watch and talk about.
Seriously….if the Warriors didn’t go nuclear with KD, Bron would probably have 2 more
Bum with nuclear with Wade, Bosh, Ray Allen, Kyrie, KLove. Then Russ & AD. He should've had 2-3 more regardless. Wtf...
@@melvinhhcp36152011 he should have won. He shouldn’t have won in 2014 as Wade was ass and the spurs went nuclear. He was not winning in 2015 due to teammate injuries or 2017 and 2018 because the warriors were so much better.
@@StFigarlandGarling He could've won both 2017 & 2018 if he wasn't playing in the LeSystem.
@@StFigarlandGarling Wade & Bosh reduced themselves as players to fit the LeSystem. KLove too. Wade impact could've been greater if Bum played off the ball & wasn't so ball dominant. The same thing is happening now in L.A. with AD. Bum marginalizes players.
@@melvinhhcp3615 no one was beating that 2017 warriors team, NO ONE. And in 2018 his supporting cast was so bad that if he wasn’t there they might have finished with 60+ losses;
2012: bosh hurt in playoffs , bron legacy game , okc stacked team and boston stacked team
2013 : wade and bosh injuries + slowdown and non-star performances , bron 16 point 4th quarter that led to the allen shot that led to a win against one of the best teams of all time.
2014: bosh and wade way out of prime made it to the finals to face one of the best finals teams of all time
2015: one of the iconics , buzzer beater to avoid 3-1 vs bulls , love injured , kai injured , avg 36 13 9 on a very skilled and 3rd best defense warriors who were a way better team
2016 : thankfully y’all remember about this but not many acknowledge how impossible it is to score 41 in two straight games averaging a triple with it being down 3-1 to tie it 3-3 and then have the greatest defensive play of all time and win it all vs a 73-9 warriors top 5 teams of all time and people seam to forget they had top 3 if not 1 defense in the league .
2017: no need to explain this kd + 73-9 is enough literally unbeatable, and bron averaged 32/10/11 that series
2018: probably the goat playoff run , 2 buzzer beaters , 7 40 point game , a finished kevin love 2nd best scorer and player on that sorry ass team , swept a really great Toronto team gave boston hell scary performances and had 51/8/8 vs warriors and still wasn’t enough shows how good they were
2019: before injury lal were 3 seed bron was leading mvp race still aging matters
2020: avg 29/10/8 on a playoff run on 52+ % shooting and being the best player in the world with likes of giannis,joker,embiid,curry,durant,harden should be at their prime while bron at 35 showed the world that he is the best in the world at 35 > than all those players in their prime
2021: yes he was leading mvp race before injury but after than injury bron was definitely not even 50% still took finalists suns to 6 with a traded roster
2022: we all witnessed that shit man it was special , could have had that scoring title if he wanted to …
2023: incredible at this age and damn closing out 40/10/9 at the best team in the nba with an injury shows that
No matter how "weak" the conference was, do you see anybody else go to 5, 6, 7, or 8 straight finals? In the last 30 years? There's always a "weak" conference. Even in a "strong" conference, most teams only really gave one tough competitor on their way to a finals. Sometimes two. That's how seeding works. A strong conference gets overblown a lot of the time.
I mean, he also formed super teams that usually had a collection trio of 3 of the top 15 players in the league. And yes, there's always a weak conference, but it depends how weak. For example, in 2012 the West's 9th place team had the same record as the East's 3rd and 4th seed team...so yeah, IT DOES MATTER A LOT.
once bron retires we will only then truly realize his impact and flat out dominance after 20 + years
only 4 rings what dominance
@@thesddnssbshs9638 4 rings on 3 different teams, against a 73-9 team, from a 3-1 comeback.
bro even a gsw fan i cant deny lebron's greatness. If u still downplay what hes still doing at 38 yrs old its only bcuz u hate him. People are still expecting him to ball out at 39 or even 40 yrs old that is unheard of. Lebron carried his team to the finals when they were meant to be first round exits.
Obviously he’s great but the media he owns talks about him so much. Then you d riders say “oh they disrespect him so much” when they say one negative thing vs the 99 positive and or fake things to up him so much. I don’t feel bad for him one bit…
All these stars today can barely finish a damn season. LEBRON 8 STRAIGHT FINALS.
LeBron James is one of the greatest players I’ve ever seen (duh) and I will NEVER take for granted everything he’s done for basketball as a game, art form, and a culture. So thankful to be born at this time to witness his game.
Kobe and Steph curry better than lebron fasho 💯💯💯💯
He lost because he is the Le GM..😂 a bad Le GM..😂can you imagine if he stayed in Miami? No matter how many championships he got there Wade will always have plus one. He is a good player but not a good talent evaluator. He cant humble himself and let the front office and coach to do their job. Thats why he lost to Spurs, GSW, Mavs, Boston, Denver. Such a sad story..
Lebron was being compared as a mix of mj and magic before he could apply for a drivers license
It hasnt sunk in with alot of ppl with what this kid has done
Even crazier that the only time he missed not rest related, was like two weeks his first year back in Cleveland for the back issues.
And that was a shocking thing too. Fool didn't miss anything before and even after that, and he didn't have injuries that took him out of the floor all the way until his Lakers years. We witnessed something truly particular.
LeBron’s consistency from 2003-2018 was truly a sight to behold. That 2015 season was the first time in his career he missed 10 or more games in a season. Not until his Laker years has he really been bitten by the injury bug
People just love to hate this feat because its LeBron James, if it was anyone else they'd be head over moon about it.
Glad Ive been appreciating every bit of his career UPS AND DOWNS
Right you had niggaz praising Jimmy for goin to the finals and losing but those same fans that shit on lebron for goin 8 straight
When you haven't done shit with you life. It's easier to hate on someone who has
Kd better than lebron 💯
Lebron James has normalized things that we would be shocked and awed at if any other top player in the league consistently did. I feel like when he retires a lot of people will reflect a lot nicer on his career and wish they didn't hate him for so much of it
What’s crazier is he got injured in 2019 so he couldn’t make the finals then 2020 came and he’s right back in and wins the championship
Lebron choked in 2019 than he beg for Anthony Davis to save him
People can try to downplay all the want. But the fact is, each of the last 5 years we have had a different champion, with only one repeating contender. LeBron went to NINE championships in ten years. That’s insane
@@caseybaker1147more than 99% of nba history lmfao
@@caseybaker1147four rings for finals MVP's and has the most points out of any NBA player of all time and even at the age of 38 he's averaging 25 plus points 😂😂😂😂 your point. And before you say oh Jordan had more rings Bill Russell had more rings if you really want to compare eras Jordan played against expansion teams Bill Russell play against plumbers 😂
That's cause he jumped ships to form super teams in a historically weak Eastern conference. There literally was no excuse to him not go to the Finals all those years.
@@TyTimeIsAwesome he was a part of one super team if you call the Cavs a super team you gotta be dumb
@@TyTimeIsAwesome and it's doesn't matter he played in the most competitive era of basketball with no expansion teams or plumbers 😂
We all do realize how weak the eastern conference was ... By him joining the heat with bosh..
Facts 💯 thank u
It still boggles my mind how he did that for 8 years in a row. Just so impressive.
Stacked teams weak East. Lucky he got blessed with God tier genetics with god tier athleticism and god tier durability and longevity
@YungPhilosopher Kevin Durant has the same qualities. And yet hasn't done a yrhing close to that
@@MarcusTheJRLebron if he played on the West would have been a perennial 2nd round exit against Houston, San Antonio, or GSW
Stacked teams(who were favored to win the championship every year till 2017) and a weak conference in which, especially in the regular season, he could coast and then out talent the other teams who were not even seen as contenders for the championship. The team West was so much better that in all the Finals, the Cavs did not look like they belonged there and a million things had to go wrong just so they could beat Golden State.
If he was out there winning 60 games every season and then dominating the playoffs, then the run would certainly be impressive and he would certainly deserve the accolades that his fans think he does.
@@YungPhilosophercasual
i know the east may have looked weak during that time, although there were times he had challenges to face:
2011: relatively easy run, beat big three celtics and 62-20 bulls each in 5 games
2012: down 1-2 to pacers, bosh injured, down 2-3 to old celtics
2013: easy for first two rounds, then pushed to 7 by pacers
2014: easy for first two rounds, then pushed to 6 by pacers
2015: down 1-2 to bulls, kyrie day-to-day, swept 60-win hawks
2016: easy for first two rounds, but pushed to 6 by raptors
2017: relatively easy path to finals, although raptors were 51-31 and celtics 53-29
2018: pushed to 7 by pacers, swept 59-23 raptors, pushed to 7 by kyrie-less celtics led by tatum
9 in ten years as well, people often forget that because 2018 and 2020 feel so far apart
Gargantuan success after he left the hellhole Cavs franchise in 2010
Great vid as always.
Does anyone else see any parallels between Lebron’s 2010s run to Brady’s 2010s run? I mean of course they’re different sports and all, but I often compare the two. Brady’s patriots made it to the afc championship game 8 years in a row, and won 3 super bowls during that run (just like Lebron won 3 NBA finals during that stretch). Both mounted epic comebacks (2016) and had won win they really should’ve lost (2013 NBA finals and 2014 SB).
2016 to 2017 era was so much cakewalk that people think entirety of it is cakewalk
A 2 year span is not an era
@@jodlaa5142He only beat 1 ALL NBA first team player through that span and most of those years only needed to beat 1 50 win team to get to the finals.
@@machoking2405 he still got to the finals fucking 8 times in succession stop crying about it, also I did not ask you for any of that, what I stated in my comment has nothing to do with your response to me
I still think 2 3 peats is more impressive. Spurs never went back to back, Cavs didn't go back to back. Warriors went back to back 1 time and did not 3 peat. Last 3 peat was Shaq and Kobe and they didn't even win a ring after their 3 peat. Kobe did go to three straight finals without Shaq but only won 2 out of the three.
Let's not forget, sure those 60s teams of the Celtics and many other teams went to the Finals more times. But they have little to no chemistry issues if you compare that to what LeBron experienced. The changing of teams, coaches, sure the criticism for him trying to be GM and all is valid indeed. But at the same time, with him seeing players come and go. Different coaches and what not, he still went to 8 Finals.
Imagine it would worked out in his first Lakers season: 9 or even 10 straight finals. I was a little bit mad because it would have been so cool to see him in the finals in his first west season after leaving the "weak" east.
injury
Still impressive that the moment they get AD and he avoids injury he makes it back
He won’t be passing the warriors in 19. Especially when lebron had young and inexeperienced players around him.
And east was actually weak when he did the 8 straight finals run. He only faced 3 top 75 players of all time in that 8 year span. And they were those 3 players in boston in 2011 who were already old. After that, he barely even faced an all nba player.
@@rsarin18but that just goes to show you how good AD was. Lebron’s 1st season with the lakers they miss the playoffs, 2nd season when they get AD (they did add some other nice pieces but still A freaking D) they improve to one of the top seeds in the west and win the title. That shows how good AD is. Obviously lebron is great but he was there the year before and missed the playoffs
@marktheshark2569 oh yeah for sure, AD was huge for them that year and definitely one of, if not the biggest reasons they won
I think Bill Russell WINNING 8 STRAIGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS is more impressive. But yes, going to 8 straight Finals as the best player on the floor for most of it is also amazing.
There was less than 10 teams in the league and he had to win 1 round in the playoffs to get to the finals. Once you add context it’s not that impressive. Modern playoff basketball is 500x more difficult to advance in.
@@davids.7845 bill Russell better than lebron
Bill Russell better than lebron
Bro went to 9 out of the 10 Finals last decade and it gets thrown in his face for not winning a majority of them
I definitely took it for granted before this video. But somewhere during the video it clicked. 8 straight finals appearances… 8 straight… 8 STRAIGHT!!!
3 wins, 5 Ls
As much as winning is important I hate how NBA fans act like getting to the Finals isn't at all an accomplishment in itself. Now I'm not saying that means guys like Baylor who got there to lose again and again are now up for being above those who made it once or twice but won but like you got to atleast win 3 series (in todays game) and for some 4 to get there.
The more context that is added to this run the more impressive it becomes
And the more you look at his competition the less it becomes.
Not impressive
If the finals were easy more people would be doing it consistently
Unpopular opinion: Winning the 2011 title wouldn't have helped Lebron's legacy . Let's say that LeBron didn't play out of his mind and just "choked a bit less" to the point where the Heat would win the 2011 title. Dwayne Wade would certainly have won the Finals Mvp since he was by far the best Heat player this series, arguably even better than Dirk . So LeBron would technically get his "elusive" first title on his first try with a good roster around him but can you imagine how much the media would have clowned him for not winning a title his first 7 seasons after being labeled " The Chosen one" and the greatest prospect ever while another player who was drafted the same year as him(D-Wade) already won a ring and a finals MVP in his 3rd year , then LeBron decides to join forces with him and Wade wins his second Finals MVP on the same team as LeBron? Also, if the Heat had 3peated in their first 3 seasons right after forming their big 3 , people would have put an (even bigger) asterisk on LeBron 's Heat rings and would question their value the same way they do for KD's warriors rings, saying that it was cheating his way to a ring ,that their superteam had too unfair of an advantage and that there was no parity in the league . The reason Lebron's Heat rings were more respected than Kd's Warriors rings is that the team didn't show its superiority right off the gate and he had to overcome adversity after the 2011 Finals and after going down 3-2 against the Celtics and having the legendary game 6 performance in Boston
That would still hurt his legacy a lot less than what actually happened
Definitely would have help. Just look at how much it is bringing up when talking about him.
TLDR the 2011 title does nothing for LeBron because he played subpar? I don't think so, at the time that absolutely would've been talk of the town and who knows if he would've been as motivated to get even better without the fuel that loss gave him. However after the fact like today no one would care how bad he played or not winning FMVP, only that he won would matter.
If LeBron gets his first ring with Wade as FMVP, ppl would've trashed him for "being carried" or something like that. Not to mention, I wonder if LeBron would've had the drive to go to 8 straight if he had not first suffered that failure vs. Dallas. It's a black mark, but arguably, without that, he doesn't become as great as he became
Even with the East was weak and his teammates being stacked compared to his competition is true to an extent, the toll of competing all those years in a row takes a lot of dedication, skill, and a good work ethic. It's even more impressive because he won 3/8 during that time, one was a 3-1 comeback and back to the East being weak compared to his team, there were other power houses after he left the East, like Philly, Boston, Milwaukee and Toronto. COMBINBED those four teams from 2018 - 2023 have only, made the finals three times and lost twice, and one being back to back with TOR and MIL 2019 and 2020 winning. When Bron was still in the East during the 2014-2018, these teams all hit there stride during during that time, with PHI and BOS showing up in 2017 and 2018, TOR being around all four years and MIL finally emerging after he left(They were still competitive before that). When he left the East was still open and yet those four teams in the same span couldn't do what he did. Even if you factor in his first four seasons with MIA, there were still competitive teams at the top end of the conference, they were CHI, BOS, ORL and IND. Bron won even more in that four year frame than he did the second time with CLE. It gets even worst, if Boston didn't form the big three in 2008, The Lebron led Cavs were pretty much meant to run the Eastern conference for years but they shifted that power away from him and even ORL who became competitive around the same time due to Dwight.
Two superteams. Nice try
Lebron James is literally the only superstar in history who gets bashed for making it to the finals….. but we praise iversen and Barkley for getting to one 🤔.
Because Iverson carried a trash team to the finals..Bron got carried by superteams
Probably cause you groupies praise him for getting 2nd place. Iverson and Barkley dont get praise for that
@@KingTaylor-pl2el Some of those teams James dragged to the finals were pretty awful.
@@MistyKathrine But most of the teams he beat to get to the Finals during that time had less than 50 wins. So it's not like he beat some great competition to get to the Finals many of those years.
@@HugoSoup57 He beat the #1 seeded Raptors in 2018, swept them even.
The years LeBron went to the finals in the East happened bendy there were only about 3 teams that cared back then. Teams with 500 records were making the playoffs in the East.
The East today is better than any LeBron faced from 2011-18
Let’s also not forget after the year that broke his streak he went back to the finals and won
As much as people want to bash LeBron for the opponents he faced, reality is that making the NBA finals no matter who you are is difficult. Also while many of those teams weren't serious, some definitely were, like the 15 Hawks, 13 pacers, 16-18 raptors, 12-13 Celtics, and the 18 Celtics were good despite Kyrie being hurt. All of the teams i just named were finals bound if LeBron James doesn't exist, the only reason we look at the Raptors and Hawks the way we do is because of how weak LeBron made them look, he made a mockery of them.
There's only a handful of teams to make the finals 8 times for a reason, LeBron has done what few others are capable of. #Witness 💯💯💯💯
Great video. I think it’s hard to appreciate in the moment how impressive his 8 straight finals appearances were. Now that we are a few years removed you can really see how impressive it was. Also this video made me feel like if lebron was like 2 years younger he probably could of won another championship this year. Father Time looks to have caught up with him
Was never explicitly said in this video but this also happened during the toughest era in league history (at the time) with the most talent and the most competition. This truly isn’t a slight to any of these players but there’s next to 0 chance even if you think they’re clearly the goat that Mikan or Russell or MJ would have done this in the recent modern era
Tough era for the West. Cake walk in the East. Majority of the 60 and 50 plus win teams were in the West at that time.
Nobody has ever gotten more recognition and praise than getting second place than Lebron
He kept himself healthy and didn’t do stunts or jumping jacks!! That’s key!!
Dr. J and Jerry West were extremely impressed by LeBron's Finals appearance streak, and both discounted the w/l record as not reflective on him. (West's comments came when the streak was 'just' at 7 in a row.)
West actually said using the Finals w/l record is the craziest way to compare players, ever.
Yawn Bron stan
2018 was the year I was like yeah he’s better than MJ. Like when you think about how impossible it looked back in the day that one player could carry a team the finals on his back, and not only did it once but he did it twice
Well you are indeed an 1d1ot. He's not better than MJ
Thank you for this. His 8 straight finals appearances are a feat that’s never been done and probably never will be again. Like you said, the east was weaker, but he still had many times where he saved his team after one or both of his co-stars got injured, or barely made it out of a 7 game series.
People like to say “well he only won 3 of them so it’s really not that impressive”, but just getting there is a huge accomplishment in itself, and nearly half of those series were against the ridiculously talented Warriors dynasty.
Edit: Ok guys I get it. Bill Russell did that too. Stop mentioning it please!!!!
i mean i get what you saying but it has been done before bill russell literally won 8 in a row
@@proofessor8062 Yeah, I knew Bill Russell had done something along those lines, figured it might’ve been 8 or more. Or 10 of 11 titles I think it was.
But to be fair, and I’m not talking down on Russell, he was a beast, but the NBA only had like 10? Teams I think. So didn’t think it was really comparable.
@@joelco92 bill Russell and Jerry west
@@manz7860 Well unlike Russell since I’ve never heard this I decided to look it up, that’s simply not true. Most consecutive finals he made were two. He lost 8 so maybe that’s where you got the idea
@@joelco92Jerry West made 3 straight finals appearances 67/69/70
Let’s be real, whatever you say on the MJ v LeBron debate, LeBron definitely had the harder teams to beat in the finals. His alternative career path would have been interesting if he’d stayed in Miami though, I think with how aggressive Pat Riley and the heat are in general they’d have been better competition against the W’s than the Cavs were
I understand this and it's true but jordan didn't play plumbers that's suns team was good so we're the blazers and jazz but people act like he played nobodies
@@Snake_619h he didn’t play nobodies don’t get me wrong - but didn’t play that warriors team year in year out. Like that was something else, basicallt impossible to beat especially one KD came in. And a very good Spurs side before that
@jtfc7286 definitely I agree, I didn't want bronsexuals to act like mj played nobodies
You have to apply context both ways. Lebron faced better teams in the finals, but MJ faced better teams prior to the finals. Lebron faced the warriors and spurs multiple times in the finals, whilst MJ faced the Celtics and Pistons multiple times in the Eastern Conference playoffs.
@@joshuaarawole8589but you can’t say 6-0 in the finals like that’s the only record that matters but as soon as people point out the competition, the finals competition automatically doesn’t matter anymore and it’s based more on competition before the finals.
Good video Dom
It's funny that nephews think that Lebron reaching 8 finals in 8 years is iMpReSsIvE but when Jordan wins 6 rings in 8 years all of the sudden basketball is a tEaMsPoRt.
Ikr 😂
What is easy for somebody else would be hard for us. If something looks easy for somebody, that's probably because they put in the work to be good at it. The criticisms of LeBron's Finals runs have validity to them. I'd like to see the people that claim that he had it "easy" try and do what he did. If it was as "easy" as people claim, every superstar in the league would do it, and they haven't.
No one mentioning the fact that he was playing in the EASTERN CONFERENCE?
Goats never lose finals
Sad how people try to make this stat a blemish in his career rather than the massive feat that it is. League won’t be the same without him.
Gonna be way better
8 finals with only 4 championships is more indicative of a weak conference imo.
Any legit superstar can make The Finals 8x in a row in the weaker conference, with handpicked superteams, and Adam Silver in their back pocket. That shit is grossly overrated. To think that he only "won" 3 titles in that time frame is disgusting. If he were in the West during that same stretch, those 8 straight appearances would've never happened. He can barely make the playoffs now without midseason trades & various roster moves. This is the objective, inconvenient truth. 💯
Another thing not mentioned on why the east was weak, was because LeBron was in the east. Big stars avoided being in the east with LeBron. As soon as LeBron left the east, you saw big stars moving to the east.
Sounds like a load of bull
No, most of the teams LeBron faced didn't even win 50 games. LeBron making the Finals 8 times in a row was mostly because of having one of the best teams in a weak conference.
@@HugoSoup572011 - 62 win bulls
56 win Celtics
52 win Magic
2012- 50 win bulls
2013 - 54 win Knicks
2014 - 56 pacers
2015 - 60 win hawks
50 win bulls
2016 - 56 win Raptors, correct me if I’m wrong but I believe the Cavs played a 73 win warriors thst year too, don’t remember who won that matchup tho
2017 - 53 Celtics
51 Raptors
2018 - 59 Raptors
55 Celtics
52 76ers
This would sound more impressive if we didn't call them finals appearances, but 8 straight conference championships.
Same thing if our current awards existed then: playoffs MVP of the conference 8 years straight!
You made a video saying Kobe's 7 finals in 11 years is better than Lebron's 8 striaght finals and then you make this?
@Dom2k, thank you for making this video. It irritates me when people like Skip Bayless trash on LeBron's 8 straight final appearance by saying East was "weak."
It was still a great achievement, but it's an indisputable fact that the East was weak back then. So it's not like it was only because of LeBron's dominance. The weak Eastern conference definitely played in some part of that.
This run was historic..I definitely didn't take it for granted.
5 Ls
Stop it, he beat 1 ALL NBA First team player and had a superteam for majority of those finals runs. Yall gonna tell me Al Horford Hawks, Defrozen Raptors are better than teams like current celtics, heat and Bucks? Also if the east was so weak he would have a winning record in the finals.
All those teams get swept if they somehow made the finals instead. Maybe those old ass Celtics win a game but that's a maybe imo.
Ppl worry so much about comparing players instead of just appreciating their greatness. There will never be another Jordan, LeBron, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Curry, etc. Just enjoy these players while we still have them.
I’m not a Bron hater he’s one of the Greatest ever but He teamed up with the best player in East at the time(Wade) and Bosh was an elite big at the time weaking the East then did it again a couple years later with (Kyrie). Who were the best teams Lebron beat during that run? Pacers with Paul George? One legit allstar. An old Celtics Team? A fraudulent raptors team? Derrick rose bulls? One legit allstar.
And lebron getting AD with the lakers would be like MJ getting Hakeem or David Robinson.
In their primes
Then how come nobody even really met him. I would consider Melo AT LEAST better then “elite” Bosh. Yet he only met LeBron once and it was a lower seed. People harp on how easy it is but everybody struggles to get even to LeBron. Dwight could have met Bron in 2011 with Orlando l but didn’t, Wade in 07,09, and 10 could have met Bron but didn’t, even Bosh could have met Bron in 07, Wall coudl have met Bron but didn’t, Giannis coudl have met Bron in 2018 but didn’t. The east still had talented players and the only teams that consistently met him were teams that were putting away the hall of fame individual talent with good pieces.
MJ was lucky to get Scottie Pippen drafted to his team, and who then took one of the worst contracts in NBA history that allowed them to build around Jordan, then trading for another HoFer to extend his prime. Let's not act like he did it alone. He just had more help from his team. LeBron decided to form his own team. Neither is good or bad, they simply are.
It's funny that the two most dominant rosters in recent NBA history were created because of lucky cap shenanigans and stars underestimating their value.
Facts this is why Bron will never ever be top 15 all time
@@MrSlashblade bron failed both Cleveland and LA
Even if he joined or made superteams, the challenge of keeping it together is way more than easy than putting names on paper. Check how many teams tried and failed.
The best team LeBron ever joined is the 47 win Heat. MJ on the other hand joined a 55 win Bulls team. LeBron and the Heat immediately went to the finals. MJ and the Bulls lost in the 2nd round. They made a trade for MVP candidate Rodman and were then able to win. How does LeBron get so much hate for “super teams?”
Lebron had that run in the East teamming up with top tier Teammates, once he came to the West he only had 1 Finals appearance
He took 2 of the worst supporting casts ever to the NBA Finals. In 2018 specifically, he had no Klove (concussion) and No Kyrie and still dragged that team to the finals with Jeff green as his next best player. In 2015, similarly Kevin Love went down in round 1 and kyrie missed the ECF due to knee and leg issues. You know nothing.
@@davids.7845 And then ran to a new host to suck dry like the parasite he is.
Why do you think he ran away from home(again)
And I mean Jimmy and DRose's Bulls were nice, Derozan and Lowry Raptors were nice, Paul George's Pacers were nice, Shid even 2014 Nets with Paul Pierce KG Joe Johnson Deron Williams and Brook Lopez were nice. And LeBron got thru them all.
Lebrons 8 straight finals has had a similar effect that westbrook has had on the triple double. It just isnt as impressive as it used to me because both normalized the accomplishments and made it look so damn easy. Yet no player has been able to accomplish what the two of them have since, but we still have these weird standards for triple doubles and final appearances
Stephen King has made so many great books. That people discredit him simply for entertainment
@MarcusTheJR that's how you know you've done something consistently great. When people start to discredit your achievements because you have made it trivial
Westbrook’s triple doubles are artificial. He was literally boxing out teammates, forcing assist and steals rebounds lmao. You’re a Box score watching casual, don’t have a clue how the game works
@@FlexSZN23 thank you for proving my point 🙌
@@ivannatinkle4910 I like Westbrook but him averaging a triple double never translated to wins. LeBron going to 8 straight Finals is in a difficult stratosphere of achievements.
I think winning 6 in 8 years is more impressive
What makes it more impressive is that he switched teams back to Cleveland and left RIGHT where he left off in Miami. With the way the league is now, with the best teams getting better and people leaving all the time, ain't no damn way a player is ever doing this again
He lost because he is the Le GM..😂 a bad Le GM..😂can you imagine if he stayed in Miami? No matter how many championships he got there Wade will always have plus one. He is a good player but not a good talent evaluator. He cant humble himself and let the front office and coach to do their job. Thats why he lost to Spurs, GSW, Mavs, Boston, Denver. Such a sad story..
Because he had a new superteam you 1d1ot
The lebron meat riding looks like iy will never end 😮💨
His comments after being swept by Nuggets, videos like these really makes us wonder how time flied and what a super athlete is gonna walk off the court in 2-3 years.
Bro. No one has forgotten. It's just not something that really moves people like that. I think winning 5 finals in 9 years like magic, or winning 5 finals in 10 years like Kobe, or even winning 5 finals across 15 years like Duncan are all more impressive then simply getting to 8 straight finals. Because if we really valued finals appearances like that Jerry west need to be a top 5-10 player of all time. But he ain't because he lost almost all his finals. We like to talk about winners. Not almost winners. Or am I just a hater 😆
That's not a great comparison. West is 1-8 in the Finals, never made more than 3 straight, many of those years they only had to win 1 playoff series to make the Finals. Also, several of West's finals losses came in winnable series that went to game 7. Aside from 2011, LeBron shows up in the Finals and when it's close, puts his team over the top. Most of those Finals losses were not winnable series, his team was usually outmatched. Winning at least 3 playoff series 8 years in a row is impressive, like it or not
He has 4 rings. If LeBron is a loser. Then what the hell is KD
@@MarcusTheJR lebron not a loser man. I should've phrased it better. But all I'm saying is that historically. Appearances are not as valued or talked about as much as winning. Bill Russell went to like 12 finals and won 11. We still talk about it today. Jerry west went to 9 and won 1. We talk about him when we think of the logo of the NBA. But he isn't talked about the same as Russel.
Definitely a hater
@@MarcusTheJRkd is what mj has left over if you subtract lebrons accolades from his. Mj would still have a career currently way better than what kd has.
8 straight, 9 in 10 years and 10 in 14 years
Going to 4 finals and then jumping to a super team for 4 more final appearances really is not that impressive expesally since he lost over half those finals. Seams more embarrassing then anything to me. Shows his tru character under pressure.
The Cavs weren’t a superteam
The recent comments completely ignoring the points made in the video 😹😹😹
Watching Lebron growing up I was so happy his greatness will never EVER Be replicated I Love You Bron!!!
great video
I would be impressed if he did it all with one team. Joining a superteam, then going back to a team you bailed on and had to rebuild without you, doesn’t do it for me.
Facts
So basically you'd be impressed if he performed the impossible? Yall haters man 😂. No one is making that many finals without a great team. And even with great teams its extremely difficult. Idk why I'm wasting my time tho yall minds made up anyway
@@thecreed1212 no. Basically I am saying when you take two other superstars and join another team with them, it’s a failure to not go deep into the playoffs. Once he bailed on Cleveland to chase rings, he diminished his legacy.
@@Heretowatchstuff Facts only
Lmao embarrassing
The Heat was beyond stacked I mean so over the top stacked
Then he faced what team that stood a chance once he went back to the Cavs?
Dude ALWAYS has two number one options
For context
Magic has 13 years played 9 finals appearances and five chips NEVER needing to team hop to get extra assets to keep teams beefed up
Zero respect how the queen did it and the end results
Yeah
The one and only time a loosing record is praised. It's not the first time a player has made the finals this many times in a row. Bill Russel made the finals 10 straight times and his record was 9-1. Opposed to Flop's 3-5 record. What is more impressive is a player to be able to repeat a threepeat. There is only one player that has done that.
LeCarried LeChokeArist LeSuperTeam isn’t a top 100 player of all time and I will stand by that statement.
Those 8 straight finals appearances were a pain in the ass everybody congratulated Lebron for it but bashed the Warriors the whole time they went to 5 straight finals
??? Do you not see the diff? Lol warriors (team) and lebron (one man/common denominator). And warriors went and got kd🤦🏽♂️
@@dominicharris5489 2015 finals and 2018 finals was the only 2 years was a one man show
Everyone is ignoring the fact the East was much weaker than the West really it's no secret I'd love to see him go to eight finals in that west since everyone is saying is sooooo dominant.
He won in LA.
@@epictubegamer yeah but you have to remember that was in the bubble and what else has he accomplished in the West 2018-19 missed the playoffs.
2019-20 won mickey mouse championship.
2020-21 lost in the first round.
2021-22 missed the playoffs, didn't even make the play in.
2022-23 lost in the Conference Finals.
I mean sure I you can give him some benefit of the doubt but he deserves a fair share of the blame too.
@dacobylaw4721 iv always said if lebron were to be drafted in the West most likely the warriors in 03 he wouldn't come out the weet till he either have 2 all stars or by a miracle n his fanbase would be non existent
Excuses lol
Boston Celtics were certainly not weak but ok
He gets too much credit imo, aside from 2018, the entire eastern conference run his teams wasn’t impressive, his teams had multiple all stars with solid depth playing teams with one real star on the team. Dame’s Blazers in one of his runs faced more all-nba players than the entirety of LeBron’s 8 year run😂 3 teams vs 24 like cmon man.
“I am Lebron. I am the Finals.” - RDCworld1
No its not impressive...who was threat to the heat and cavs for those 8 years? Plus every year Lebron teams were favored to win the east...Seriously who was a real threat in the east?