700cc vs 500cc 2 Stroke Dirt Bike Shootout!
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Can our shed built 700cc Two Stroke Dirt Bike really defeat the almighty Honda CR500? Place your bets now, we are about to find out! :-)
This video has been over a year in the making. Ever since we set out on our ambitious project to built the Megalodon 700 MX Bike we always wanted to put it head to head vs the mighty Big Red in the ultimate Big Bore shootout. 13 months after the first build episode was released we've finally we made it happen! Enjoy guys, we've also got a few surprises in store as well, you know we had to feed the Meg some 4 Strokes first! ;-)
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A big thanks goes to Daniel Farren and the Farren family for making this happen and also to Neville Bradshaw for coming along to shred Big Red. A big shout out goes to Darren for letting us rip his KTM's and to our start girls as well! :-)
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Thanks guys. Keep up the great work.
Thanks so much Mark! You will go down in history as the first 'Super Thanker' on the channel! :-) And you'll be the first to be featured in the next video, so keep your eyes peeled for next weeks vid! Thanks again Mark
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That little 125 held its own for the first 100 ft or so. I was surprised.
She's a ripper a tell ya...i would say that Nev is just a little better at starts than me as well! lol Thanks for watching Daryl
Yeah! “125s isn’t powerful enough!”
Tbf, the power to weight ratio on 125s do be mad, you talking like 90kg dry and upper 30s hp
Thats because the other bikes couldn’t get grip either
In the 1980's 125's had the fastest lap times on AMA National tracks.
But, times they are a changing!
Finally the video I've been waiting for. Other videos show the 700 idling on a driveway or putting slowly on a trail. Now it's riddin like it should be. Good job!
Thanks Jak! You've got to let the beast feed once in a while ay!? ;-D
Impressive results! As long as it's never a "dead engine start" to the race :)
Haha Yep we'd be screwed in a Le Mans style start that's for sure! lol Thanks for watching dude
The sound of the cr 500 is awesome. 👍
You can't beat it!
@@999lazer Yeah it's like a sore dick, you can't beat it! LOL, well you can but it hurts like a MOFO! 😜
I've wanted to see a bike this cool for most of my life. so awesome you guys made it happen. keep it up!
Thanks so much for the support Jeremy! :-D I'm going to do in-video shoutouts for everyone that sends in a Super Thanks, this weeks video is already edited and about to go Live so watch out for yours in next weeks upload. Thanks again!
The 700 needs more air, next project; "700 Megalodon Turbo"! No--really--do it. 😎
Turbo 2t 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Would love to see the Meg matched up against a Maico 700!
my thoughts exactly I owned multiple CR 125s and 250s even a 480 before the 500 came out They were all great bikes but no one wants to talk about those open class Maico’s Nothing was faster or pulled harder I remember Maico experimenting with a 760 😮
Mostruoso MAICO. ANCHE SE MI ASPETTAVO CHE DESSE PIÙ DISTACCO ALLE ALTRE MOTO
This was the best dirtbike comparison video of all time!
There is just nothing that beats a CR500 - the best of the beasts.
I believe the 700 could have bin geared taller since it has the torque to pull to a higher top speed.
Yea I think a little more gear in that 700 and you would've been able to see it pull mid range and top end. Still a cool video!
That 250 exc gave the Meg a run for its money, I’m impressed.
ye so imagine if he raced the 700 on ktm 450 sfx or cr 450 r the 700 be smoked
that was great my brother had a built cr500 for years it was a beast he took it to Baja
I usually don’t enjoy videos this much. Thank you.
700cc 2 stroke?!?! Omfg what a savage bike that thing mist be
That's really awesome boy the cr500s are monsters
yep sure was good, enjoying your fun.👍👍
Glad you enjoyed it Rumpel :-D
the little 125 was impressive. should even be in the picture, but it challenged right to the end.
700cc 4 stroker in the works?
Enjoyed the content.
Hasquvarna 700 , pops wheellies at 160 kmh
Need to see TP come out abs ride this 🥰
When I was 15 years old and riding in basically SEMI -PROFESSIONAL Moto cross and my favorite ENDURO races in Wich my (forgot exact model year) maybe 1986 KDX 200 was a monster and unbelievably faster than the KDX 250. I test drove a CR 500 that my uncle's friend was buying. Anyway I was extremely experienced Rider and opened it up in a large field. The RUSH unbelievable!! But too much muscle and weight for a 180 pound young man, it would be very difficult in the tight trails and large hills
you need kaplan captain america riding that 2 stroke to get most out of it!!
Just epic brother long live bigred Honda has anyways been at the top of the heap for me great vid 🤙🏻🤙🏻🤙🏻
That first drag against the 125 yz megladon didn't even hit power bands haha
In my 15 years riding dirt bikes in All and every season during the 1980's-- early 90's KTM always had the ALMOST as good or effective as the Japanese bike's. I remember my uncle had a Harley Davidson dirt bike
Gearing has a lot to do with a 1/4 mile race 🏁 if you gear it rite big difference.
imagine how fast it could go with the right gearing, we'll over 100mph. I have a moded 01 cr250 and with the 44t rear it does 90 on gravel. useless everywhere but a straight line bit still fun to throw on now and again just to fly lol 2stroke4life
I'm going on 30 this year but my father had me raised on 2 stokes it's pretty much all I know other than a couple of quads that I didn't race sooooo much more familiar on the 2's
one would expect that an engine with >5x times the displacement would leave the 125 in the rearview mirror very fast... such a surprise
Very nice shoot out
Mega gearing might need dropping a tooth or two 🤔gain some top end seems to have plenty down low
Thanks for watching! Yes i would agree on the gearing, we did change it a few weeks back to make it a bit more manageable on track but for speed runs it would be better to go the other way
Oh yes this is all the way my type of video
Honda was just doing something right with those bikes
that 700 is a beast but those bikes aren't built to drag a 1/4 mile. Take those same bikes to a MX track and I'll bet that 125 puts it on the 700. Fun vid and crazy 700 build!
2 kids in a dirt bike candy store👍🏼👍🏼 . The yz 125cc around most motocross tracks would embarrass so many guys on bigger bikes . 4 strokes are great until they blow up 🧨⚙️🔩🤦♂️
We had so much fun making this one! I tell ya that YZ is a weapon in the right hands. Thanks for watching dude
You should look into putting a TERAFLEX MOTOSTEEL monster motocross tire on that beast. That's what I used to run on my 500. Tera Flex The Most Aggressive Motocross Tire in the World Period!! It would make a great video. My friends would complain that I was throwing tree stumps at them every time I passed them.
Love it! Try more tyre?
You put it up against the All time Favorite MONSTER dirt bike the CR 500. In theory if they are geared similar the 700cc should SWALLOW up the CR 500 in a drag race. 200 CC's is ALOT more engine
hell ya mad love
Would love to see supermoto versions of these
not enough room
great! but woudent the meg be better with bigger tire?
It's more gearbox ratio than power that really matters here.
Awesomeness!
If the 700 makes more torque than why not just change the sprocket to give it a better top end? It's not like it won't have the grunt to pull the gear
Yep... and do 3rd gear starts as well
Max you could convert the megladon to supermoto lots of parts readily available for berg .. heck il lend you all the stuff off mine 😁 take it to three sisters track in Wigan and do some laps would make a great vid a try out for the bike do it do it 😎
Why do you say yzed and not y z just curious also you say 1 2 5 when it's one number 125 idk I absolutely love your channel huge fan of the meg so much I am going to build me own
That's awesome dude, look forward to seeing it :-D
Meet pain and more pain 🤣😎
Haha Hope you enjoyed the vid Glen :-D
If you do this race up sand mountain.... There will be a much bigger difference 😎
Thanks!
Thanks for the support Ronald! It's really appreciated! :D
About the only thing anything that big is good for -straight lines 🤣
Do the test whit supermoto tyres on tarmac.
To really show the hp difference try adding paddle tires and race up some dunes. Not enough traction there to drop the hammer on the 700.
Drill holes in the megs air box covers
Now you have to build an mx version of the Aprilia RSA125 lol
Why no regular 450s
to be honest we got what we could get hold of on the day, the enduro spec do run higher gearing and higher top speed than the mx version so to be fair they would probably be harder to be at the top end than the mx version
Pipe is GNARLY looking on the 700! I LOOOOOOOVE 2 strokes (especially ones with BIG displacement!)
That 700cc 2 smoker is awesome but definitely not tuned even close to its potential
Ganas wi 700 cc 🔥
Would love to see a 650R put into the mix, not the air cooled L, the water cooled R.
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lets eat some 4 stroke !
2 Strokes for life! Thanks for watching Bryan
A lot depends on gear ratio as well when racing so one bike might have more acceleration and the other will have top speed hate when people race and say oh this bike is faster but it’s geared for top end 😂
Dude a 125 held up with a 700!!
I'm thinking Husky WR 360, KTM 380 then Husaberg 550, 650.... but hey you can't have everything.
that guy defenately knows how to wheelie oh yeah
Apparently there's also a 620 version of this motor that makes similar power but revs higher.
It would definitely be interesting to see how the two motors performed head to head like this. Maybe we should try and make it happen one day ! Thanks for watching Jak
Its the Maico 620. Revs like a 500, but with torque similar to the 700.
@@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443 yes I remember reading about them years back. There was a rare quick review from one of the magazines that had the ATK 500, 620 and 700. They liked the 620 best since it had comparable power of the 700 but revved higher. I always wanted one to play on some of the big hill climbs here in the western US. They were unobtainium.
Meg Vs 300xc!!! Please
Need to get a crf450r in there😮💨
Dude I would kill to drag race my 85 with a buddy or 2
i was hoping to see the new maico 700
I want to know what the gearing is compared to the cr500
Probably could have started in 3rd gear on the 700. Normally when you have that much power, you're layin on the front end just to keep it down, but the 700 rider was hanging off the back. As someone else mentioned, it seems like it never came on the pipe.
So basically what I get from this is a 125 is almost as quick as big motos that cost a lot more
Noticed the ktm's were all completely stock with stock exhausts... Just a full exhaust and a tune will gain a few hp and would have drawn with the cr and the 700 if not beaten them... The exc's also don't have half the service intervals as the 500 and 700 2 stroker... Should have been against the SX models as they're Motorcross bikes with more power than the exc's
Yeah my 22 FE501 seemed pretty tame until l put a vortex and FMF pipe on it
Maico still makes 700 2strokes in 2022
Should find a RXV/MXV/SXV 550 (with knobbies) and watch it run away from all of them
Please race the 700 ccm against an KTM 690 smc r Enduro
The meg needs to be geared to hit at least 90mph. 2nd gear or third gear starts. None of those bikes should be anywhere close at any time. Except the first 100 feet. All about starts.
90 is the new goal. We've got some testing and developing to do now :-D Thanks for watching dude
Those ktm’s are geared for the trail…. Should have used the SX models.
Thanks for watching John. These were just the bikes we had available on the day, i would've loved to get the SX models involved as well. Although the 450 and 500 are mainly used on the road so they are geared more towards that
A 250 2 stroke should of been on there tho. 125 2t, 250f then a 250 2t then the big bores. The 125 put up a good show so the 250 2t would of been alot closer.
So did you use the maico 700cc engine in the mageledon?
The kink CR500 japan the best moto end moter ..
Definitely need to tune the Meg to reach it's potential. Would expect it to completely dominate. At least change sprocket for top speed. Always fun to watch dirt bikes in action.
Yea that things super weak
Sometimes it’s the old bikes that rip up the most dirt
I think if they put street tires on the rear and went on a drag strip you'd see the difference. But in Motocross even straight line acceleration is way more about skill than horsepower. Would be interesting to do a similar experiment with one of those crazy super Enduros from the early 2000s like the KTM 950 or the BMW HP
@@petergriffin4629 this man is correct lol🤘 totally agree it’s all rider weight transfer and method
yeah definently
I knew that 125 would run strong off the line. Had the same result many times especially on loose surfaces. There's only so much power you can put down off the line with an 18" knobbie on a dirt bike before the wheel breaks traction or you loop out.
Sometimes the small bike will be faster! Less weight but the same traction. I saw a KX80 pull big length on a 400 CZ once. The big bore dug trench while the 80 just left. By the time the 400 was getting ready to roost by and melt the kid's face, they ran out of field.
The problem is they stopped developing big bore 2t cause of emissions. 125 has power valves, ECU etc. If 500 2 strokes was developed they wouldn't be very easy to handle. Power curve would be insane!
Think we have same problem in Formula One tho let them have all the power and let the drivers do the math!
The 125 just goes to show the power of those 2 strokes, I remember one time my mate showed me his 85cc full size dirt bike and it had plenty more power than my 140cc 4 stroke
I mean a 450 EXC almost beat this thing so
Finally! like many other average riders I’ve been struggling to decide which bike to choose between a 500 stroke and a 700 2 stroke. I’m surprised there aren’t more shootouts like this for us weekend warriors 😜
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700 is fast but not as fast as you would think for a modified 700cc 2stroke... a modified 450F would beat it with no problem!
to be fair all the bikes bikes felt fast that day (when your doing 80 mph in a field)...lol. the top end has a lot to do with the gearing, but it is so hard to keep the front down and not to spin up the back wheel on the 700 I don't doubt your right.
@@999lazer my 1992 Honda xr600r does 100mph
**laughs in Baja-spec KX500**
@@999lazer wheres the ktm/gsxr1000.....
@martin barr's CRF450 if u can keep the front wheel down then good 700 or 500 Will beat 450 defenitely
I used to own a 2005 yz125 and told alot of people how fast it actually was, eyebrows were raised. This video showed how well it can hang! Thank you Yamaha for the re-release of the bike!!!
The CR500 is king!! Time for Honda to start making them again!
Had a 95' CR500, it was a beast in the quarter mile!
Cool
I'm impressed with the YZ 125
I'm not a big guy and have always loved the two stroke 125's
700 is impressive and sounds great but its hard to beat the CR 500 with any dirt bike
Love the sound of big 2 strokes.reminds me of watching my dad race sidecar motocross with the 700cc zabel engine.what a machine you have there. been thinking of building my own.
That 700 is totally emasculated with gearing. Its all about torque.
Raced a buddy of mine with a 2014 Suzuki rmz450, with my 1985 CR500. I started in 2nd about half throttle for the first 10ft or so, before giving it full throttle as i quickly grabbed 3rd, 4th, and 5th. I just remember that i kept trying to grab another gear. I was thinking, what the hell is wrong with my bike? Why won't it shift. Then the other voice in my head says, " because you're already in 5th, ya damn fool" I was like, oh, yes i believe you are correct. lol. As you stated, 80 mph is not a speed you're gonna see on a mx track. As you already know, these bikes weren't meant for top speed runs. My CR is all original. The factory rear sprocket is huge. I think the CR's redline may be around 8-9k rpm's. These new modern 4 strokes rev much much higher, so gearing being the same, the 4 stroke would win because of that reason alone, top speed wise. When i raced the RMZ450, i beat him pretty badly, but just ran out of gear. If the race had gone longer, I'm sure the 450 would have passed me. If i put a smaller rear sprocket on the CR, it would be easy triple digits. I remember back in the 80's, one of the big motorcycle magazines raced a CR500 against a honda interceptor 500 crotch rocket at the drag strip. Smaller rear sprocket, and a street tire, the CR laid waste to the interceptor. It's on the net. If you search for it, you'll find it. CR500 is a beast.
One bigger on the front sprocket is like 3 smaller on the rear sprocket. A 14 up front is nice. Then play with the back between sand dune, trail, and desert sprocket sizing.
Hmm I smell something dodgy both 4.57 and 5.37 your 700 was getting spanked then you cut to a clip of you ahead at least be honest when you do these videos...
Same video set up but straight rhythm. Then another video of the flat drag for the Meg. and a couple old school big bore dirt bikes. Then another of the Meg. and the old school big bore dirt bikes but on the straight rhythm.
I'm not sure i could afford the bribe money to pay someone to ride the Meg through straight rhythm! lol Thanks for watching Mark
So how come no twin cylinder bikes? A 500cc 2t twin would knock out a lot more power than anything there.
Heck even a 250 twin could do around 80hp - or more in race trim.
It seems an odd decision to go with ever larger singles when there just isn't much left to gain on them.
There doesn’t seem to be any benefit to go over 500cc on a two stroke dirtbike. Entertaining comparison nonetheless, keep up the good work guys!
Thanks for watching
i mean 500 or 700cc hell even 250 2 stroke they all do around 50-55hp but more CC often give you more torque from dyno i have seen
actually there is no benefit to go over 250 lol
It's all about development. The Meg engine just doesn't have the same hours of R&D as some of the other bikes. If it were to be developed as much as the 125s it would be a monster.
It comes in handy if you weigh more than a boxtrain of gold bars, or your track is all uphills and no downhills (a geological oddity, to say the least..).
Check out tha Maico 620.
It revs AND has even more monster torque!
Great video Max, great shots of the bikes , your yz flies and put up a good fight, what was more scary flat out , big red or megladon great work again max.
Thanks Kevin mate! The Meg definitely caused a few more twitchy bum moments haha Especially the power wheelies, i didn't have the same problem on the CR as you can see in the footage. Thank for the support as always dude
Goes to show the old 500 is still better then all new aged motos