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My wife loved the MCU, she completely admitted it was because of all the hunky blokes, strangley she had shown no interest in all the female led movies
She doesn't like being empowered?
The first two Thor movies were disproportionally popular among women because it was made with more female sensibilities. I remember that some female reviewers praised the dark world for the inclusion of the female gaze.
How can she even watch those though, when she cannot see herself up on the screen? I have been reliably informed that this is the way it works.
Lucky for me, I identify as Chris Hemsworth's left bicep, so I see myself up on the screen all the time.
@@funkydiscogod
What's your idea of empowerment?
@@BranBalI think the statement was tongue in cheek.
It doesn’t need rebooting, it needs to END!
Cape movies forever bigot
@@realtalunkarku You didn't learn much from them though, did you? They can keep making them, but so few will actually watch them, the studios that do will thankfully go bankrupt.
For me, it did end. Back in 2019 with Endgame. And I know I’m not the only person like that
It needed a new start, with different heroes, different settings. In order for that to happen, there indeed should've had an END. Alas, frankly it's too late now. Even the earlier success of MCU story is now tarnished.
It did end. Avengers: Endgame is the final movie.
Ironheart’s existence is already a slap in the face to Iron Man. While he had to struggle to get his first suit fully operational with many hurdles along the way, she just did it nonchalantly
That character needs to cease to exist ... and I'm hoping they know that.
She is a woke parody ... almost comes across as a bad joke ... but then you realise they were serious with her!!
I thought they’d hired Babylon Bee to write that character
I really, really dislike that character. She is a smug, racist, jerk that really just needs to disappear.
Those hurdles that Stark had to overcome are easy to bypass when you just steal the technology like she does.
@@brian_sipe
Obidiah Stane stole the tech yet still was defeated because he couldn’t overcome similar hurdles
He and Tony would be rolling in their graves seeing what Riri was able to do
Lets hope the AI writer can give us a decent story other than "character you loved is girl boss now!".
For me Endgame was the finale and I haven't bothered watching anything MCU related since then.
Same. I watched Far From Home but that's the only post-Endgame film I bothered with. Didn't even watch No Way Home.
@@nothanks3236neither did I, I wasn't interested
same here, I only watched Far from Home in bits and pieces on youtube and that's about it. the lack of cohesiveness and weak-ass big bad in Kang (not to mention the convoluted mess of multiverse of realities) makes the MCU more of a string of chores instead of entertaining heroic escapism.
would highly suggest guardians vol 3. Incredible film
Same... and the cracks were already appearing, look at what they did with Hulk.
Reboot in 4 years?!? Disney actually believes the MCU will survive 4 more years 😂😂
Let's say that that WAS the case and they were indeed planning on a reboot of the MCU. That would signal to the audience that 100% of the material released between now and then is useless because it won't matter in 4 years. So who will want to watch the last 4 years worth of material at that point?
@@BigDaddyJinx What most of Hollywood does now, is barely a blip on my radar. For the average movie watching Normie, the MCU might as well not exist anymore. It might have one good movie left but that will be buried under a deluge of garbage.
It doesn't matter. It would take at least that long to make a movie in any case.
Oh, it'll survive, the question is will anybody still be watching.
If the Marvels tanks as badly as is being predicted, and looses insane amounts of money due to its huge production costs, I can see them rethinking. If only to try to stop the loss of income. It will be the latest flop in a string of them, and the biggest and big F.U. from the fans, against all the woke whamen power crap. And it will seriously naff off Cheese Larson which is a must.....
One of the problems they would face, is that every single time you pull the old hey-they-didn't-really-die trick, it just makes any time something like a death happens have less and less weight. Chances are, they're not really dead, so why care?
Another reason why multiverses and time travel are a cheap storytelling device in their hands, and what's come since feels very low-stakes.
In the case of the multiverse thing I agree, but it’s not really so bad that they weren’t really dead. It’s one thing if you’re a corpse, it’s another thing if you never saw them die. Survival doesn’t strain credulity. Look at Aquaman’s parents: reunited after 20 years and both never gave up on each other. That’s beautiful
We will never know if the super hero genre has been over done or just poorly done. Watching the early seasons of Game of Thrones every week, I never thought that every week was too much, I wanted more. Once it sucked then it didn't matter.
Thay are one and the same. Being over done is being done poorly. It how all things Hollywood end. Think musicals, the western, the detective and film noir, the action hero and many more. All done in by over production then parity then bad film making then ends. People move on. This happens in cycles and is predictable. The difference this time is alot more is happening to do these companies in and even that is predictable. The entertainment industry has ben destroyed and rebuilt many times throughout history.
@@johnjay370This isn't a natural cycle though. It was purposely made disgusting by peoplr with political axes to grind, they just happened to be talentless and made bad material even worse. But the western genre went for a lrettyong time before dying out. I think superhero movies were killed earlier than would have naturally occurred.
@@danielcraig9666 it doesn't need to be natural to follow the identical pattern. History doesn't repeat it rhymes. It doesn't need to be identical to be true.
We do know. Poorly written and produced movies are 'over done' out of the gate. They can squeeze a turd like Capt Marvel in from time to time and get away with it, but when that is the choice after the epic MCU saga, poorly done is over done with the next lame uninspired installment.
@@johnjay370 The Op's original question is explicitely about causes and not inevitability. It DOES matter in this case.
Problem is whenever they (Disney) "brings back" old characters it is just to slap them in the face, make them stupid, and try to prove how much "cooler" their "new" (often old characters poorly reimagined) characters are. It is really hard to get excited for characters return when you knoq they will be shiwn as broken quitters covered in filth.
You're trying to say Modern Audiences don't want to see that?
Exactly
Ding ding ding! Correct answer!!
Exactly like they did with Indy.
I can't wait to see how Tony, Steve, Thor, and Hulk totally suck now. I mean they already character assassinated Hulk and Thor, but you know they're not done with them yet. We gotta GIRLBOSS it up! Men, you go take your shirt off and let the girls take charge!
Hey, wait, why are we losing 1 billion dollars again?
Disney has destroyed both Marvel and Star Wars. It’s an amazing feat. Honestly, Disney selling both is the best thing they can do.
Billions upon billions made each year with Marvel release. Hate to break it to ya, but you haters know nothing besides what some youtuber tells you 🤷
@@hamsterrwrld6767😂
Who could buy SW?It's a very expensive property to develop content for and the fanbase is gone.
@@hamsterrwrld6767might wanna check those numbers again
I agree. But nobody should buy Lucasfilm unless it's George Lucas, he can own and put someone trustworthy in charge while he just consults until his inevitable death. Off the top of my head id say Favreau could lead, hes the only one I can think of whos proven and who gets it as far as what star wars is and should be. Filoni is only good when he has help from Favreau or Lucas, Ahsoka proved that when he tried doing it on his own.
I don't think the super hero genre is overdone. If they would have kept a good story with solid plots it would be more popular than ever . Everyone just got tired of terrible writing and the assassination of their favorite characters .
Just look what happened to Thor.
I don't think the superhero genre is done making hits, it just won't be DC or Marvel making the next big thing.
it will be someone who has passion and can fly under the radar because it is not part of a Cinematic Universe. then it will hit big and the studios will notice and either ruin it on the sequel or copy it to oblivion.
The writing was never particularly good nor did it have solid plots. It's been riddled with plot holes and retcons since the beginning. It's just everyone was still a babby when watching these films growing up with multiple years between films, so they missed those issues. Now that they are old enough to see the issues in the newer films, they think it's a problem with modernity while their nostalgia covers up the problems of the past. For people that are newer to the franchise and watched it all in quick succession (like me), it's actually about the same all the way through, and it's almost all been mostly enjoyable when taking it for what it is--films created for children and teens while trying to appeal to as broad an audience as possible. (Hint: it's not woke for corporations to try to expand their market demographics by including more races in their films)
@@Yepmyaccount "it's not woke for corporations to try to expand their market demographics by including more races in their films"
I agree that it is not necessarily woke. I also think that people don't mind the more races aspect. I think it is more that rather than creating and promoting characters of different races, they (in the comics and later on the big screen) made characters that were the daughter of or race/gender swapped versions of and then used the original version to get them over.
if you play on nostalgia, then change things to get expand your market demographics, then you shouldn't be surprised if you lose your nostalgia market as it resembles less and less what they were nostalgic for.
it's not wrong to try and make that play, but if you try and are not skillful at it, you will destroy the value of whatever franchise you are using to do it.
it seems they are not that skillful.
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Saw a good explanation of why Thor has lost interest. Everyone keeps delivering him in some way to build him back up. Ragnarok worked because Hela was just stronger.
I would be interested in more superhero films, but they have to be good stories. Also the current leadership has to go. They called me and my family racists and misogynistic. There's no going back from that. If they replace the leadership and tell fun stories, my family will be back. But that will require them to admit they screwed up. And those narcissists at the top will never do that.
Considering the questionable quality of the writing, do we want the original team to return? It would be like a classic band throwing out a new album, trying to relive past glories and ending up being a parody of their former selves.
Which would STILL likely be superior to the drivel of the past few years
Completely agree.
Also, is it just me, or have they been letting some real shitty directors helm the MCU movies and TV shows the last few years? Like that one who did Eternals for fuck sake she was some shitty art house director right? Or was that the director for Shang chi?
@@thatoneguychad420 Yes, It was Chloe Zhao who directed the Eternals. She won the Academy Award for Best Director for the Indy Film "Nomadland". Deston Daniel Cretton directed "Shang Chi". I don't think he's well known either., Disney Marvel and Star Wars are full of talentless hacks who are activists and diversity hires, that's why Disney Marvel is terrible.
@@edg4441 Chloe Zhao that's the one I was thinking. I guess maybe there's a lot of directors that won't touch the MCU. Shame because at its highpoint it was so good. I watched BP2 recently and it was laughable. Me and the misses had more fun laughing at the movie than we did watching it. Haven't seen anything since then. Also missed Hawkeye, she hulk and Mrs marvel.
Agree!
Man, I am reminded of Indy reaching for the grail as his father slowly and softly says, "Let it go, Indiana."
Disney, LET IT GO! The MCU was a monumental achievement in its day, but its time to move on.
what are they going to do though? make their own new content? even pixar has started producing crap that people dont want. They are going to churn out content based on pre-existing media until its al bled completely dry.
they just cant though..anything for a cent
They don't even have to, just take a 5-year pause from superhero movies, and then restart with new actors, this time with competent writers. (edit: they'd have much easier time of it had they not ruined SW and Indy too)
Don't care it's dead. Move on, also time to go back to real films, comic book movies are all good but they were over elevated to the be all and end all, and trust me they're not. But for when it was good, it was fun, and at least that happened l, but trying to force this back to be good, that's just reaching.
Funny thing is that, I just was the Last Crusade last night and yea would have to agree sometimes you gotta let it go.
That's right !!! You did call it 💯👍😆
The saddest thing is that they could have kept that momentum going post Endgame had they bothered to summon the foresight that got them there in the first place. Had they immediately brought in Dr. Doom, fans would have been blasted with the "what could be" of it all. They even had a great hook to bring in Mutants post Endgame. The Blip could have caused mutations in some of the people who returned from the void. Dr. Doom could have been the overarching big bad. The Fantastic Four would have been a great hook to hang all this off of as well. And bringing them into the then current slate would have been easy. Mr Fantastic's experiment that mutated the Four had them stuck in some time-loop, so we could get a 60's period piece for act 1 where we introduce them and their dynamic then have them pop out of the loop in Modern Marvel MCU just as the Blip brings back 4 billion people. The potential is mind boggling and rivaled only by how it was squandered.
Instead... we got KANG. The most milktoast of all the Avengers level threats possible. I never liked KANG even in the comics, so it was almost impossible to get excited for what could be when they brought him in and what they did do with KANG was equally disappointing. So sad to see it all go so wrong after so much right for so long.
Doom would have a PERFECT excuse to take over too. Tech on the level of Stark and an excuse to rule the planet under the ruse of protection now that everyone got a look at what Thanos was packing. Add to the fact they messed with the microverse at the same time and they could have kicked off an Annihilation Wave type cosmic event.
@@danielcraig9666 ☝This guy gets it. Why can't Fiege?
No, they couldn’t. Endgame was a spit in the face. It’s one of the worst movies in the mcu . It was a victory lap
The problem with using the Blip to create Mutants is that it would still be at least 14 years for them to start appearing. The comics make a distinction between mutants that are born with powers and mutates that have powers unlocked by an external source.
We'd also be hearing more about them randomly. SHIELD would be investigating weird occurrences as 084s. There's no way every single mutant was detected and covered up. For the OG X-Men to be a thing any time soon, mutants have to have been appearing for at least 3 generations. Professor Xavier would be Gen X at the earliest, and the X-Men would be Gen Z.
Nothing can ever just end in our media culture. Our society is almost child like in its refusal to just move on and enjoy the time you had with something but acknowledge that it is over and not coming back. Characters coming back to life and making death meaningless is the ultimate expression of this.
Ha! Thats an insult to children world wide. 😏😉😎
You're confusing and insulting society instead of those who are actually refusing to move on when the story is said and done.
100% agree.
@@matthewronson5218 These are the people who make and consume media content. What is popular in a culture can tell you a lot about a societies overall mindset. It's one in the same. In the case of this generation its an obsession with superheros and recycling movies from 30 to 50 years ago. In those stories you see the same immature and silly tropes discussed over and over again on channels like this and others.
Your right, I’d wager though that this started with the ‘death of superman’ from DC comics. People forget that there was a time that death meant something, but since then it’s effectively meaningless. Combine that with Spider-Man One more day which basically killed the idea of character progression is why we’re here now. Fundamentally greed and people’s unwillingness for change are the major factors.
One of the biggest problems with the world today is that no corporation understands the concept of enough. They never know when to end anything, because they can't understand why they would ever need to plan for that event. They believe that they can actually make one thing forever and have it work every time. But it never does, because they always end up replacing their actual talent with much cheaper and less capable people over time. Then they can't figure out why its not selling anymore.
They do everything in the most unsustainable way they can, yet they always act like it will be infinitely sustainable. Instead of carefully nurturing their IPs so they can grow big and strong over time, they simply burn them all down for a much quicker payout. So now, companies like Disney are sitting there, looking at all the wonderful things they've burned to the ground, wondering why the ashes won't reignite anymore.
Not quite, they thought they could supplant what works with what they want, instead of what the audience wants and was proven to work.
100% agree.
@@matthewronson5218this. They never actually gave people the REAL IP. They gave you "Woke and/ Incompetent Disney Presents.... the MCU". Same with Soy Wars. Had they just done it right and made Rey's arc earned with good writing, fans would cherish her like classic Ellen Ripley or Laurie Strode. Even Paramount destroyed classic Sarah Connor with woke Sarah from Dork Fate. T6 would've been a massive success had they just given the fans older T2 Sarah + John played by Edward Furlong or at the very least a Miles Teller-type. Nope we got the Telenovella version of Feminator. Again... the IP didn't fail. The IP was supplanted by an imposter IP and called the same thing. It's the "New Coke" of movies.
There’s no superhero fatigue, there’s bad writing and woke agenda fatigue😂 people still live superheroes and they also still go watch superhero movies provided they’re good and fun.
Marvel does have better villains than just Thanos but they just don't use them or misuse them and now they are in this mess. Its literally the line in Endgame, "You Couldn't Live with Your Own Failure, Where Did that Bring You? Back to Me" me in this time being the older Avengers that they decided to retire.
Disney doing the same things over and over again. Losing a ton of cash yet not changing course is insanity.
I am NOT interested in seeing Iron Man, Captain America or Black Widow return to the MCU in any way. All of them had *perfect* endings, and anything more will just ruin it.
Even if you bring back those characters, that means there are no more high stakes; death is cheapened, also makes their sacrifices pointless. Black Widow and Iron Man had a beautiful send off to their stories. I feel like the MCU built up to a peak and has reached a point in its storytelling. I honestly don't see how it can continue.
Yep this. As much as I loved Tony Stark and Black Widow - i'd hate to see them resurrected. Doing so wouldn't bring me back to the MCU.
We can't have nice things. And when we do...they destroy them and/or make them a shell of their former selves.
Wear the smug, Dave. They make SO easy!🤣🤣🤣
The soft reboot is the last desperate move of a dead franchise. Everyone knows that by now.
Y'know, when discussing things like "Immersion" in books and movies, the topic often gets scoffed at. Another content creator I listen to (Shady Doorags) once said "When you do X/Y, you are REMINDING me that this PIECE OF FICTION is FICTIONAL."
This philosophy applies to so much that Disney does nowadays that it isn't even funny, and sure, you will get the smug contrarians acting like immersion doesn't have to matter for a movie to be enjoyable... But that's what a LOT of people want when they go into these movies and nowadays they can't make it five minutes into the film before one of these "Reminders" crops up.
Want a good example?
Quantumania. Third Ant Man film, basically shoehorned into being an Ant Man film, and we're barely in and OH, LOOK ANOTHER YOUNG TEENAGE GIRL WHO ALSO HAPPENS TO BE A SUPER GENIUS WHO IS OUTWITTING THEIR FATHER AND CRACKING SNARKY RESPONSES. Sure would be a shame if this single character was written in the most DISTRACTINGLY "FLAWLESS" THEY ARE like a friggin' know-it-all walking conveniently into the plot to rectify artificial sometimes character breaking limitations that the main character, usually a guy, has.. Oh, and what's this in both of the awful Black Panther films? Super genius young woman. Hawkeye? Snarky know-it-all girl. Loki? Snarky know-it-all girl. Moonknight? Snarky know-it-all girl. Think this is limited to just heroes? Wrong. Taskmaster is a woman now. "The Force is Female". Captain Marvel is the "strongest" Avenger, full stop, no discussion to be had there. Dr. Strange 2, a movie that was supposed to be about DOCTOR STRANGE is actually about America Chavez.
Who is America Chavez? Well, she is one of the many unproven character written during the Twitter Saga of Marvel where they just hired a bunch of fanfic authors off of Twitter and Tumblr to make comics for them because "INCLUSION AND DIVERSITY GUYS" and never actually saw any success so they just kept renewing her series and trying to rewrite her in a way that sold copies to NO AVAIL... So basically, she is a reject; a bad author's sloppy seconds. However, for Dr. Strange 2, they decided to MAKE HER the most important character in the entire plot, something they did by fundamentally changing her entire character (again) just so they could; they LITERALLY used her as a blank canvas and yet somehow her powers suck, her backstory sucks and was a slapdash way to write in lesbian moms and the plot hinges on her getting scared by a BEE, and then because her powers were rewritten so that they would play importance to this plot she never belonged in, she is now the sole thing Wanda wants to get her hands on just so she can open gateways to alternate realities. America Chavez; the boss b**** and a half who is a manifestation, a MANIFESTATION of Disney's pandering, and the only character she has is, "I am scurred of my powers". That's it. She has like ONE line at the beginning where they are talking to Strange in a diner and THAT IS IT. It's the ONLY time she actually emotes in the film and feels like a person.
And this is the character taking priority over Strange.. the guy the movie is NAMED after. How is that NOT distracting?
They reminded me that this piece of fiction is FICTIONAL. They reminded me that some characters were literally only written in for the sake of it and have no purpose to the plot outside of being a lazily constructed mcguffin for other characters to chase around. Same applies to She Hulk and her fourth wall breaks that all take the p*** out of either men or the fans. Same applies to Falcon and the Winter Soldier where BUCKY is sidelined in favor of Falcon; work associate to Steve versus Steve's lifelong friend... Gonna go with the black guy he's known and worked with for a fraction of the time of course! Or how about Ms. Marvel; the show no one watched with the character no one cared for because everyone took ONE look at her and knew off the bat that she was "Pandering: The Character".
Disney has gotten SO GOOD at killing immersion that they can do it to their own audience before they have even watched a minute of their show... And the best part? They CONDITIONED us to be this way. It was a slow burn, but we've finally reached a point where people can tell they won't be able to get invested in a TV Show just from seeing a screenshot.
Remember watching the first Iron Man or Avengers for the first time and being absolutely enraptured in the story? Remember when you just cared to see how Tony would escape the cave or how the team would take on Loki's arm? When was the last time you felt that?
Exactly.
You haven't in a long while and can't with any of these newer shows; they were written with "Modern Day Politics" in mind and it is visible from every direction; you CAN'T get immersed.
Brilliant
I remember waaaay back when they first started teasing Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet, I thought they would use the multiverse to reboot the actors playing the principle heroes. The biggest drawback to continuing an ongoing series of movies is that the actors inevitably age out of their roles (see Indiana Jones). The Marvel Universe, however, has a built-in plot device to keep the adventures coming - the Multiverse! But Fiege opted to run the ball in a different direction and we got what we got. 😔
it ended perfectly with Endame. In my mind, the saga finished there. Nothing beyond matters
I said at the time that I only wanted one more Spider-Man hit and a final Guardians movie. I got those, I'm good now.
yup, it needs a 10 year rest, if not more. Let the computer game tie-in movie dominance commence @@majorramsey3k
The MCU ended with Endgame there is NO need to try and bring it back.
I say the MCU ended with Infinity War. Endgame started all the nonsense we're watching unfold now.
No Loki S1 started this
With the end of Endgame in 2019, pre covid, it makes it feel like it was the end of a whole era
It ended on gotg 3
@@shardsoftime0952 GotG3 could be considered a long-awaited epilogue. I didn't see any of the movies after Endgame to GotG3. Even then it was a bit mid, but a nice send off of the original GotG team.
Disney really is beating a dead horse, including their own reputation.
Superheroes have in one form or another been going for a long long time. If they build it - good story - good characters - WE will come.
I always thought they should've brought in the fantastic 4 after endgame, that way they would've had a new central core group of characters to start bringing in the peripheral groups plus you'd be bringing in a franchise that people wanted long before people started to fatigue on the genre and the studio was still bringing in enough money that the films were almost guaranteed to be financially successful.
AMEN! I’ve been saying for a couple of years now that after ENDGAME, Feige and Company should have just put the MCU on hiatus for about five years, make everyone hungry for more, then introduce the FF (including Doom playing a less snarky Stark-like role as the connecting tissue) with Galactus as the looming, but not seen until a few years later, big bad.
I had an idea that the Fantastic Four could have been because of the Blio. Reed has been researching what happened to fix things. Use the portal idea from Ultimate Fantastic Four, and the Blip causes an energy flux that makes the portal explode. Spend most of the movie escaping Annihilus to get back home. This could even create an interesting thing where they end up before they left and build up the Future Foundation in preparation for Thanos. Or some other catastrophe.
I guess all the franchises that shit on fans previously are now entering the memberberry phase to bait the fans to return.
And the fans return, only for it to turn out to be a bait and switch, where characters are sidelined in favor of diverse replacements.
It worked for Picard S3... even Dave fell for it.
Doctor who 60th will no doubt have memberberries galore too.
They only want to resurrect these beloved characters so that they can disgrace and kill them - again.
To keep things fresh I think marvel should have done stories more along the lines of their space cosmic characters with these phases with Annihilus and his Annihilation wave, like silver surfer movies, the new Guardian of the Galaxy team, the Nova Corp being rebuilt, Fantastic Four, Adam Warlock which he could be part of the new Guardians like he is currently in todays films. Not everything has to take place or center around earth.
It can’t be saved. You can’t un-woke it.
Film starts. Hot woman with her boobs out, then a white man runs past and punches her while he screams the N word. He is the hero of the movie.
I honestly laughed so hard that I started coughing when they said 2027.
I know they have all these plans set, but can they really wait that long? Better yet, who's going to care about any films/shows now that we know it won't entirely matter? It's just like with DCEU.
I can't unsee what's been unveiled, I'll never watch Disney anything. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Of all the legacy characters, I feel Black Widow got the biggest shaft (no pun intended ) First off she deserved and earned the right to be the first female superhero in the MCU to get her own solo film, and considering that it was a prequel (of sorts ) would have done better if it had premiered before Endgame. Second she simply deserved a better film than the slapped together afterthought we got.
Of course currently I'm of the mind that the writers working for Marvel now couldn't, or because of mandates from the higher ups were incapable of doing a better screenplay and we're not going to see better writing even if by some miracle that got all the legacy actors to come back for one final film.
I too can't wait for the next upcoming action movie starring a returning cast of octogenarians. Look how well it worked out for Dial of Destiny and Expendables 4
One minor addendum or correction: "that's a lot of superhero movies over the past couple of decades" needs to reference that a lot of the movies are basically "the same" : sky beams and mirror match bad guys with pop-culture quips
Thank you!
Even movies outside of superheroes have skybeems. Think the tron movies. Rack it Ralph. Atalantis lost empire (2001). Big hero 6. The fifth element. Gost Busters 1984. Independents day 1996. R.I.P.D. Godzilla.
Star Trek. Super 8. And Transformers. To name a few.
Captain America didn't have skybeams. Red Skull and Hydra wasn't from another planet. The first Iron man wasn't that either. Those got introduced with Thor, which makes sense because he's from another planet. Then the Avengers movies started all building to Thanos, who is from another world so that all tied in together. If you don't like movies with aliens that's fine, but it's been popular for decades since War of the Worlds on radio.
Edit: It's been in comics forever. Superman is literally from another planet and was one of the first superheroes. The first if you don't count Phantom.
@@johnjay370 Tron was being sucked into a video game. Not skybeams. It's Wreck it Ralph. Ghost Busters was ghosts, not aliens and Godzilla isn't from another planet either. Yes things in the scifi genre, like StarTrek have space stuff. That's kinda a requirement of the genre.
@@debanydoombringer1385 I was talking about the way it look in the film not what its supposed to represent. In that way thay all look vary similar.
Thanks Dave
I picked up the phone...
because you called it.
I have no confidence in their ability to write a story that could course correct the "continuity car wreck" they have orchestrated.
Return to the old stories, the original characters, and, if the woke want mythologies, let them write their own.
We're not even out of good characters. The X-Men, F4, Blade. The problem isn't the characters, it's that they have no idea what to do with them.
they tried that, and they made pure garbage like that snowflake and trigger warning or whatever the f they were called.
these people dont have the ability to write anything good, and are just leeching off of pre existing characters people liked because of the work good writers put in previously. they cant write their own, and now they know they can't
@@ge2719 “Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin good forces have invented or made” JRR Tolkien
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I hope the MCU doesn’t touch Blade or The Punisher.
Look what they did with Daredevil.
They made him do a cringe “walk of shame” while he was in costume…in the bright morning!
" *you cant live with your own failure. Where Did that bring you? back to me* "
Once you see a chef take a shite in the fruit bowl, you’ll never trust that chef again.
Joe Rogan called it when RDJ was on.
That was what I was thinking of saying too, have a like for saving me the bother.
I don't think they're going to go the way you predicted, Dave. Sounds like they're running around with their heads cut off and grasping at straws. Post-Endgame the MCU's been pretty directionless, made even more fractured with the multiverse crap. There was a reason why DC Comics had Crisis on Infinite Earths back in the 80's: It was to get rid of their multiverse and have a condensed single universe and rebooted timeline (although that didn't last long).
I think we're going to see more future press releases with speculation and rumor, along with studio announcements that sound like they have an idea or plan, but really don't. It's the JJStar Trek 4 tease. They're trying to get the ball rolling, but no one is taking the bait.
Yes. I have see the multiverse problem plague other franchises and ruin them as well. If I hear multi verse I hear. We dont need to make a story because anything can happen and erase what we have done.
@@johnjay370 Same for time travel. It CAN be done well, but it's challenging, and the temptation to screw it up is enormous.
Boy, the Drinker's catchphrase of "THE MESSAGE" has really caught on. You now quote it, PJW quotes it, and no wonder, it's pretty catchy.
They completed wasted She-Hulk, not only did they get her character wrong by making her queen bitch instead of a quippy fun loving hulk but they lost the opportunity of bringing the Fantastic Four into the mcu main timeline since she eventually becomes a member.
A soft reboot, eh? Oh goody, the anticipation.... I can't wait to see black Captain America flounce around, like he's always been the guy.
I can't wait to see male Black Widow with realistic daddy belly
@@fajarkurniawan9434 they would never switch a female character with a man. They would make half the characters gay and trans.
It sucks they squandered the reversal of the blip. It was the perfect time to start over.
- There could have been villains that took advantage of the chaos over the course of the 5 years now meeting heroes that returned.
- Heroes and villains could have been born out of normal people coming back and feeling displaced in the world after being gone for 5 years.
- Villains could have been born from being forced out of success due to people coming back. Think like a company gives someone a job back and forces out someone that saw success over the 5 years.
- A husband returns home after the 5 years and sees that his wife moved on and has a new husband and now a child.
The origin stories were endless as a result of them undoing what Thanos did in Infinity War.
a research team spending billions to study the repeated waves of radiation that just engulfed the planet, sky is the limit
@@r.connor92803 snaps in the same planet should have repercussions. They dropped the ball and wanted more more more but really have given us less. First 3 phases were perfect story telling.
All great ideas! On a certain level they made Barton the tip of that idea and then they glossed right over the impact of the blip with Spider Man.
I do wonder if that lack of curiosity to see the logical fallout from storylines is due to fragmentation of showrunner attention, fear of interference with certain ideological storylines/characters, or just dull thinking in general.
The blip was a mistake because it basically introduced a universe-changing event that throws a wrench into every individual movie because there's the question "how was X character affected by the blip?" Instead of it being about the character him/herself
I think entertainment has a crisis. Everyone is starved of quality sci-fi, action, drama and comedy. But the big studios don't appear to have the ability to create it.
Mainstream Super Heroes have worn out their welcome but independent ones are not.
The Multiverse Saga COULD'VE worked if they hadn't over extended themselves with all the Disney+ shows and films being released so rapidly. Instead of the Infinity Stones being sprinkled in throughout they could've had Kang variant sprinkled in throughout leading up to the finale in Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars. It became so woke and so bogged down with too many shows/movies and characters that no one cared about it's hard to care now. Should've fast tracked X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Daredevil post Endgame as well.
Kang could've been properly set up by
having him be the one to whisper into Wen Wu's ear to bring down the barrier to that other dimension,
letting Tiamut emerge and blowing up another Earth thereby not setting Eternals in our universe,
featuring either on The Illuminati or as Nightmare's right hand man in MoM,
rounding out the Multiversal Sinister Six roster in No Way Home,
guiding Gorr on a multiversal God-killing spree in Love and Thunder,
killing Scott in Quantumania or "at least" forcing him to imprison the two of them in an even deeper layer of the Quantum Realm, and
getting D+ Special Presentations for several of his variants: Victor Timely, Immortus, Scarlet Centurion
while Iron Lad is introduced as a Young Avenger, Mister Gryphon opposes street level heroes and Rama-Tut goes up against the Fantastic Four.
Marvel just needs to croak. I'm done with superhero movies. I've been done with Disney.
The damage is done .. there’s no turning it around !!!
"How is A this thing?" Every time...
They surely don't want to get good reviews ... why a 'The Marvels' movie!?
That is like a combination of all the least liked characters into one movie ... that just feels like a slap in the face of the already disappointed fanbase...
Just remember, no matter what changes they make they still hate you
I think it's reached the point where many people won't immediately go see any of the movies but if one starts getting good word of mouth they might
Took the last month and rewatched phase 1 through Phase 3 and it was a Blast ❤
Does anyone here even care about this MCU stuff anymore? I sure don't. Those executive/elitist people have lied constantly over the years, only to bait and switch the audience, dumping these same IDpol lies, into their narratives as well. We all know it.
So, honestly, why should *_I_* or any of us, care? You can't put the mustard back into the jar that had been intentionally smashed into pieces, years ago.
Quick reminder that these are the same people who told us we were not welcome to see certain MCU movies, as it wasn't made for us but now, that will suddenly all change? Unlikely and definitely not with the same hacks at the wheel.
Exactly. Only fools would continue to waste cash on Disney at this point. Their brand is the kiss of death.
You just know their movies are going to be shitty and divisive. Kevin Feige, Iger, and Chapek have destroyed the Marvel Brand. It's too late and people have moved on
I agree for the most part Dave. Where I disagree is the success of the first three phases of the MCU was built upon good, street level, individual stories that only hinted at the overall story arc of Thanos. There wasn't huge world/universe ending plots, just good character developing stories like "Iron Man", "Thor", "Captain America: The First Avenger", "Captain America: The Winter Soldier", "Guardians of the Galaxy", etc. and then building toward the final climax of "Infinity War" ("End Game" sucked). This is also were the D.C.U. failed, as they jumped right into their team up way too soon, trying to emulate the M.C.U., and didn't show enough individual stories first.
Notice how everyone likes Winter Soldier, and it could just as easily have been a Jason Bourne, or a 007, or probably even another Lethal Weapon movie. It was a straight-up action/spy thriller -- Cap hardly even wore his costume.
@@stevenscott2136 Man it was so good ... The action and intensity in that movie was perfection.
@@stevenscott2136yes Winter Soldier is the best MCU movie.
The problem is they expected a Iron Man fan to watch all the other MCU heroes to understand what is going on while they have just stayed making standalone movies under on 'canon' with occasiomal team up movies.
... Assemble.
"A thing isn't beautiful because it lasts"
Everything needs to end at some point to give proper meaning to what came before.
They aren't going to retire anything. They want to continue to milk it. But I think they are starting to realize that side hero characters aren't going to be lucrative any more. Thus they will need to reboot. Pretty much what Batman has been doing for decades.
Problem is it is the same guy running things doing the reboot. How can the same person give a fresh take on the character? When Batman was rebooted different people took on the character
@@walker1984 Sounds like he will leverage the comic books and their various interpretations of those heroes.
I don't think it will work. But that's their plan. I think people are burned out on it and the novelty has ended.
Imagine Black Widow, Cap, Hawkeye and Thor written by those who wrote She-Hulk and Secret Invasion... What a carnage it would be !
Hawkeye and Thor be sexist dumb bad men. Cap be a simp nice guy push over where no girl would ever date ever! And Black Widow becomes the most powerful character ever because "the message".
I had this feeling that the sun was going to appear this morning, so ... I kind of called that one.
Totally agree!!
If something is well-written, and helmed by people with passion, it _can_ survive long-term even in the same genre. As an example, we can look at the _Mobile Suit Gundam_ franchise. Every few years, there's generally a new series, and that series brings new mobile suit designs that are highly toyetic, and can also be made into plamo. But not every series in the franchise has equal weight. Some of them are continuations of the main UC storyline, but more of them take place in alternate timelines. They either tell different stories, or retell the original story with updated animation, and a shifted focus in themes. Then there's the _Build_ end of the franchise, which is basically series-long commercials for gunpla, with story wrapped around them (the quality varies, but they're also full of references because the other series exist as TV shows). Yes, there have been years without a new _Gundam_ series, so it has been on-and-off as far as production goes, and it's not popular everywhere, but all things considered, a franchise that has been around since 1979 has a pretty good running track. It really shows what other franchises like _Star Wars_ could have been. Ironic considering there're a lot of ways _Gundam_ was inspired by _Star Wars_ .
Very good point although I think I am in the minority in that I preferred the CE storyline of Seed and Seed Destiny....
I wasn't even that keen on Destiny until they brought back Kira, Lacus and the Archangel and it's crew at about 1/3 way into the series.
And to really drive up the blood pressure, I sort of liked G Saviour.....😊
I, too, called it. I knew a Tony Stark return was never matter of if, just when.
I'm not getting my hopes up.
Netflix needs to buy back Daredevil and The Punisher!
Personally, I agree that the MCU can go beyond Endgame and touch more in the comics to the big screen but 'Storytelling' is the key to making it work. However, good and compelling storytelling have been sidelined for 'Political Agendas and Woke Messages' and it's killing the chances of giving us the customers that could have been and how it should be.
Reboooting it in any shape or form sounds like their trying to erase their own mistakes rather than learning from them and making something better out them.
I guess it true to what they say: 'Nothing last forever'.
They made no effort to build the next Phase, they just threw stuff up against the wall and hoped it stuck, but thin stories and shallow characters never do.
LOL Scarlett Johansson is still pissed at Disney. Good luck 😂
“In just four years “ enough said
I dont want old characters I want new characters and stories that are written well.
you mean the new cringe woke characters? because that's what's left
@@Zontar82 "that are written well"
If they hadn't committed seppuku with their woke BS, they wouldn't have to consider this in the first place.
Congratulations on the good call.
They're just jangling the keys and offering memberberries.
I knew the MCU wouldn’t be as good after Endgame, and looked forward to getting some time back. I had no idea how bad it would get or how much they’d make. “Hey, it’s crap but at least it’s a lot!”
Doesn't need a reboot just make good movies and stray away from political shit
The problem is that Superhero movies is they are running the course that Westerns have done already.
I disagree. I do not think a lot of early marvel was built around the infinity saga. I think once they started trying to make it about a saga they went off course. Best course now is indvidual movies with Avengers being the occasional team up.
I suggest something that I also have thought the comics should do as well. Separate the universe a bit. Give the characters their own corners to have individual stories, maybe on or two guest stars. Focus on the movie you're making, not the next crossover. The first two Captain America movies felt different than the Iron Man movies and the Thor movies. The Winter Soldier was practically a spy thriller.
They even hedged their bets by NOT having each movie's Macguffin be just explicitly be an Infinity Stone. They could have pulled back from the major arc if necessary.
It’s to late.
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Hawkeye: don’t do that… don’t give me hope
If they bring back Tony, Steve, Thor, Natasha and Loki (the real Loki) I'm down for it!
If Endgame had been treated as the hard stop it should've been, they probably could've gotten away with a soft reboot of sorts to starts things over provided that it followed a cooling off period of at least five years, preferably ten. But their insistence on beating this dead horse means that they'll need to wait a MINIMUM of ten years for Marvel to have any hope for a revival.
Nah, let's be real if they put out a couple of Good Mcu films let's be honest all will be forgiven.
I'd settle for a new marvel cartoon series that works better than any movie
I don't care if they learn to curb their wokeness i just can't trust disney make a good movie in general
Gotta use another word because Woke has been kidnapped I remember when that word meant something serious besides its true meaning..now it's about a whole different thing
Wokeness is what destroyed the characters and the movies.
look at who may be on the next move people from failing shows and movies
I'd give at least a 50/50 chance any return to the core characters is to do some form of hand off to a... diverse cast.
I would be quite happy if I could go the entire rest of my life without seeing a single more ponce in spandex throwing adobe aftereffects at goobly space monsters.
I think one of the biggest problems is the sole focus of "Marvel Studios." Back when the MCU was produced by Paramount, the Marvel movies were just one of a large lineup of diversified titles. The studio could put money into an Iron Man, and then fund a Spielberg movie, then do an independent film, and then get around to Thor 2 or something. The fact that all Marvel Studios does is make Marvel movies is a HUGE hindrance that's become painfully obvious at this point.
Funny it’s named ‘Marvel Studios’. 🤦🏻♂️😂
@toolegittoquit_001 You don't say. I'm guessing you skimmed the comment and did not actually read it and this is my charitable interpretation.
Well done, you've managed to make yourself look 0btu5e.
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
I’d watch a movie where Deadpool and The Entity from Wes Craven’s New Nightmare team up to kill every woke character as well as kill all the terrible Disney execs including Kathleen Kennedy and Kevin Feige. 🤣
Tired of the gender , race and sexual orientation swap..I watch animation to get away from the real world and I grew up READING COMICS so when I can't recognize the product it's not fun anymore...I had tears in my eyes when Ironman died.i could careless about any of the new characters...and WOKEKANDA WAS HORRIBLE! AND IM BLACK AND DIDN'T LIKE IT